CAR 816 carbines for the Indian army will cost 5,6 thousand dollars apiece

After the conclusion of the agreement on the purchase of machine guns (LMG), the Indian army expects to update the arsenal of automatic melee carbines (CQB). It is known that an agreement on this issue will be concluded before the end of March.

According to recent reports, the Indian armed forces intend to purchase rifles from the company Caracal, based in the UAE. The total amount of the contract, which is called the Indian media, is about 533,33 million dollars. These funds are planned to be spent on the acquisition of 93895 units of small arms. weapons.

If so, one automatic carabiner will cost more than $ 5,6 thousand for the Indian budget!

This is a version of the carbine CAR 816. This is a small arms chambered for 5,56 × 45 mm. Its production began in 2015.

The publication Financial Express, citing a representative of the Ministry of Defense of India, reports that the oversight committee has already submitted to the military department a report on the appropriateness of such a deal.

When the opposition political circles in India learned about the parameters of the contract, they immediately announced a possible corruption component of the deal. This caused a scandal in the Indian military and political elites. After they began to write in India that "at the moment the deal is not completed, discussions are ongoing."

It is also known that in India large-scale tests of automatic small arms from Caracal have already passed, and ammunition for carbines during the tests were used exclusively Indian.

Comments

[polpot]

There is little money

[bessmertniy]

It is strange that the Indians, because of the economy, did not organize the production of the right carbine at home. It would be cheaper for them. Probably the same corruption prevents it.

[kalibr]

Have established. But it turned out badly. Soon there will be an article about Indian automatic rifles - read.

[Aleksandr72]

It's simple: the more expensive the weapon, the greater kickbacks you can demand. Yes, you also need to consider who the arms manufacturer is: although the company that will supply carbines to India is geographically located in the UAE, it will probably be under US control, and they will not miss the opportunity to earn more. Hence the high price. The Indians themselves do not know how to make a good shooting, from the word at all. It is enough to look at INSAS - so, in my opinion, no one has succeeded in ruining Kalashnikov in serial production at the state level! And it’s not the appearance - the taste and color of all the markers are different. The main thing is that the quality of this product of the Indian military industry is at the level of semi-artisan crafts from Iraq, Ethiopia, Pakistan, etc.

[kalibr]

Just about this sample and will be described in detail. And not only about that ...

[vkl.47]

Almost for nothing. The stingy pays twice and the stupid three times.

[Dimy4]

Golden carabiner!

[orionvitt]

Yeah, rich people are Indians. This one will probably be cheaper.

[Krilovchanin]

Paul Lama for an Arab carbine ... Beretta or Benelli cost as much, or even cheaper. AK a dozen for the same money can be bought ... In my opinion, even our bureaucrats did not reach such a cut in the military budget ...

[Dimy4]

In my opinion, even our bureaucrats did not reach such a cut in the military budget ...

They scream in both eyes and snot with pity that it is impossible to arrange such a cut in their native land.

[Maki Avellevich]

The holding which owns the manufacturer CAR 816 is called Tawazun Holdings, from Abu Dhabi.
if the price is real then probably in the rifle at least the built-in radio and compass.

to throw up, the price of this unit should not be more than $ 1500-2000.
vague doubts about the fragility of this deal torment me.

[Ovrag]

So they are not buying it in a store. When buying state weapons, not only the price of the weapon is included there. But also the cost of zips, additional equipment (one sight can easily cost more than 2 thousand bucks) and maintenance for the entire period of operation.

[Zaurbek]

The Hindus decided to put all the calibers and systems together, in the same army ... I already lost the thread why and where. Here we have a single machine-gun 7,62x54 and automatic 5,45x39 and there are disputes on 7,62x39 ..... that's all. and there are 7,62x51 and ours all, and 5,56mm ... it remains to come up with your own original.

[unhappy]

I'm not an expert, can you say what for 5.45? Modern armored suits keep 7.62 in the hull and what should be spent during the battle, to aim the head or limb?

[Zaurbek]

It weighs less, then flies further, breaks through also .... ricochets stronger, more accurate when shooting in bursts.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Zaurbek

It weighs less, then flies further, breaks through also .... ricochets stronger, more accurate when shooting in bursts.

Flying further than I can shoot accurately? Do I need it? When firing a burst, only one bullet will definitely hit a single target - at least 5,45, at least 7,62. And when in a "heap", then 7,62 is preferable. And the fact that it ricochets more means less penetration of what gets in the way. Does it weigh less? Dragging that 5,45, then 7,62 did not notice any difference, in general. Kilo there, kilo here - a healthy soldier doesn't care if the versatility of his weapon is at stake. From 5,45 I liked RPKS-74 - you can shoot very accurately with optics, but penetration at a long distance is rather weak.

[Zaurbek]

It is designed for war .... the direct range is higher ..... which is better than 7,62x39 ...... the 7,62x54 machine gun also shoots further.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Zaurbek

It is designed for war .... the direct range is higher ..... which is better than 7,62x39 ...... the 7,62x54 machine gun also shoots further.

Designed for war? Well, that’s how to say it. Night, winter, we shoot 3 stores in a row, smoke for 10 minutes, then try to reload: 7,62 - no problem, but 5, 45 - don't want to. For 10 years I have exploited this and that, from which conclusions were drawn.

[Zaurbek]

I didn’t shoot so much, but I firmly believe in the test cycle when receiving weapons. Moreover, it was during the USSR ....

[Doliva63]

Quote: Zaurbek

I didn’t shoot so much, but I firmly believe in the test cycle when receiving weapons. Moreover, it was during the USSR ....

The criterion of truth is practice, however. I remember how the "tried and tested" AKS-74U, after breaking off the whisper, fired in a circle by itself, until they stepped on it. This also happened in the USSR, by the way. Well, it is true, and 7,62 were not all ideal - for example, for shooting with the use of PBS, only about every 5th was suitable, I don't remember exactly. But if it is suitable, it means that you will also have a machine gun with optics. What else is needed: PBS is, optics is, reliable. Station wagon, in a word. That is why AKMSN2 was in service with special forces and military intelligence for so long with senior scouts, deputy group commanders and officers. I suspect that even now there is a thread where the long arm of the "reformers" did not reach.

[Zaurbek]

One way or another, the new AK12 and its competitors are mainly 5,45 caliber

[Doliva63]

Quote: Zaurbek

One way or another, the new AK12 and its competitors are mainly 5,45 caliber

But what about the new AK-15? He is exactly 7, 62. And why the AK-12 goes to the masses, it’s understandable - there are hundreds of millions of 5,45x39 rounds of ammunition in the warehouses, and they should not be thrown into the landfill.

[Zaurbek]

So 7, 62 heap lies ....

[Doliva63]

Quote: Zaurbek

So 7, 62 heap lies ....

That's probably why they continue to release the machine for him

[Kot_Kuzya]

Arctic fox! 5,6 thousand dollars for the machine! A civilized AK in a store for 500 Baku can be bought, this is with a store margin. You can probably buy from the manufacturer and at the wholesale price of $ 300. I thought it was in the United States that the generals saw the loot on orders, but it turned out that the poor Indians also sawed notably.

[bessmertniy]

To escape from poverty, Indians have to take more bribes.

[Ovrag]

I will upset you. The export price of AK is far from 300 bucks. And depending on the terms of the contract, it can easily go for 2k green. Even for Mo RF they come at a very decent price.

[Catfish]

the poor Indians also saw nobly.

And who said they are beggars? The poor are not building aircraft carriers.

[Cowbra]

At there they said that a thousand dolaris for the shooter - expensive? A. Well, well ... And dance

[7,62x54]

But if there was a brawl, fashionable carbines will not help. Kalash will fight.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Interestingly, and kickbacks, 70-90 percent, are there already registered in the price or went as a separate line?

[rotmistr60]

immediately announced a possible corruption component of the transaction

When India purchases weapons, and when concluding other contracts, the word "possible" can be safely omitted. But this, of course, is exclusively a matter for the Indians. That's just still wondering why the UAE?

[Pereira]

The rich have their own quirks.

[cherkas.oe]

Well, if each carabiner will be packed in a separate box with a seal from orchid petals and tied with caramel beads and each cartridge for it will be wrapped in a rose petal - yes. I completely forgot - even in the sets there will be tambourines and rattles for dancing.

[Sands Careers General]

Something expensive. Is it equipped with a TV and a coffee maker?

[Butchcassidy]

Schaub, we lived like that!)))

[Private-K]

This machine - CAR 816 - is positioned by the UAE (i.e.Arabian manufacturer) as an improved version of the German HK416 and US-Swiss SIG516.
For some reason I'm funny.

[the47th]

Hey, they wanted to buy AK-103!

[Doliva63]

Quote: the47th

Hey, they wanted to buy AK-103!

Apparently, a different approach to bribes - the Arabs pay them, but ours themselves wanted to receive.