Vlasovites - the dark spot of our history

On the eve of the 75th anniversary of the Victory in World War II, the discussion revived on the role of the Russian Liberation Army (ROA) General Vlasov in battles against the Red Army.
Vlasovites - the dark spot of our history




Behind the propaganda screen


The new generation of historians, relying on facts only known to them, united the traitors of the ROA with collaborators of all stripes, including units formed by Germans from Russian emigrants, and made their nasty conclusion about a certain Second Civil War.

Under this army, about 1200 thousand people from Russia and the USSR are now written down and on the basis of "new" numbers they are trying to give out the theory of a kind of civil confrontation with Stalin, which made people stand under the Nazi banners and fight the Red Army.

One combines official historiography and the new "carriers" stories". Both groups call about the same share of Russians in Vlasov’s ROA - 35-45%. That is, in the Goebbels-advertised Russian Liberation Army, the Russians themselves were in the minority. Yes, it was no longer required for the propaganda screen of the guardians of the “liberation of Russia from communism” warring with Stalin.

In fact, they didn’t really fight with the Red Army. The main goal pursued by the Nazis in the formation of the ROA was propaganda. Like, look - the Russians are ready to fight on our side against Bolshevism.

The ROA received its “baptism of fire” only in February 1945, when its strike group, consisting of three platoons, together with the Hitler troops took part in battles with the 230th RKKA Rifle Division, which took up defense in the Oder area.

Meanwhile, the history of the ROA has been going on since December 1942. It was then that the traitor generals Vlasov and Baersky (he rose to the rank of colonel in the Red Army. The Germans gave him a new rank) asked the leadership of the Third Reich to form an army to “liberate Russia from communism”. In fact, that’s how the Germans themselves arranged it, who decided to create a propaganda campaign from the surrendered Soviet general. And the general vividly picked up the idea.

The so-called Smolensk Declaration was even prepared. It contained the appeal of the “Russian Liberation Committee” located in Smolensk to the Soviet people. The stated goal of the committee was the fight against communism.

The proposal did not impress Hitler himself at all. He had other plans for Russia. Hitler did not see her free, independent and independent, as was shown in the appeal of the Smolensk committee.

Nevertheless, after the Smolensk declaration, all immigrants from Russia who fought in the Hitlerite ranks (mainly representatives of the white emigration) began to be called military personnel of the Russian Liberation Army.

From the paper army to the “third force” against the USSR


This army was listed only on paper. The first division of the ROA appeared in the late spring of 1943. Loudly called the First Guards ROA Brigade, it brought together 650 volunteers from Soviet prisoners of war and emigrants.

The task of the brigade included security functions (therefore, it was dressed in the form of an SS) and the fight against partisans in the Pskov region. The Germans did not fully trust the Vlasov army. After the defeat of the Nazis near Kursk, fermentation began in it.

And then another unit formed from prisoners of war (the 1st Russian national brigade of the SS "Druzhina") was almost in full force, taking with it 10 artillery pieces, 23 mortars, 77 machine guns, a small-arms weapon, 12 radio stations and other equipment, went over to the partisans and began to fight against soldiers of the Wehrmacht.

After that, the Vlasov brigade was disarmed and disbanded. Officers were even placed under house arrest. Then they changed their minds and sent everyone to France, away from the Eastern Front and contact with the partisans.

Only by the end of 1944, Vlasov managed to form (of those who already had nothing to lose) the first full-fledged ROA division of 18000 military personnel with heavy artillery weapons, armored vehicles (ten self-propelled guns and nine tanks T-34). This included units of various kinds of collaborators who had retreated with the Nazis from the USSR, emigrants, volunteers from prisoners of war.

The goals of the "liberators" have also changed. In November 1944, they established the Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (KONR) in Prague, which claims to be an exiled government. General Vlasov simultaneously became the Chairman of the Committee and the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, who formed as an independent Russian national army, connected with Nazi Germany only by allied relations.

The Allies, through the Third Reich Ministry of Finance, allocated a credit line to the ROA, reimbursed “as much as possible”. With these funds, several more compounds were formed, which had grown to 1945 thousand people by April 120.

This growth was driven by new political goals. Vlasov planned to use the ROA as a "third force" in the anticipated confrontation of the United States and Britain with the Soviet Union at the end of the war.

In January, the ROA even declared neutrality towards the United States and Great Britain. By March, she acquired her own sleeve insignia and cockade. External attributes distanced itself from the Nazi soldiers. Although it was precisely during this period that Vlasov’s army became involved in active hostilities against the Red Army.

For example, the already mentioned 1st ROA Infantry Division fought on the Erlengof bridgehead as part of the 9th German army. So, if any of the fashionable historians saw the Second Civil War in the Patriotic War, let him know: it was fought on the western bank of the Oder River, in alliance with completely different “citizens”.

The result of the Vlasov betrayal is known. After the war, two-thirds of the composition of the ROA were transferred by the Western Allies to the USSR, where they were sent to camps. Six leaders of the Vlasov army and the self-proclaimed Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia, by a court decision, were hanged in the courtyard of Butyrka prison.

The betrayal of General Vlasov and his accomplices has become a dark spot in the history of our Great War. Therefore, the attempts of unscrupulous historians to imagine black as white in the eyes of people who know the real history of the war and its heavy price are countless and futile.
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  1. Bykov. 24 March 2020 12: 46 New
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    What else is OUR spot ?! Traitors and enemies of the people - that’s all you need to know about them.
    1. Insurgent 24 March 2020 12: 54 New
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      After the war, two-thirds of the composition of the ROA were transferred by the Western Allies to the USSR, where they were sent to camps. Six leaders of the Vlasov army and the self-proclaimed Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia, by a court decision, were hanged in the courtyard of the Butyrka prison.


      Yes, the allies already began to unite ...

      How I stole General Vlasov


      Mikhail Ivanovich Yakushov
      https://aif.ru/archive/1645493

      Note - STORED ! The "allies" ...

      In the MORNING on May 15, 1945, I, the commander of a machine gun battalion of the 162nd Panzer Brigade, left for reconnaissance in a zone controlled at that time by American troops. The case took place in Czechoslovakia, near the village of Brezhi. Vlasov’s major forces were concentrated in the American zone, and all the previous night our brigade commander Colonel Mishchenko conducted unsuccessful negotiations with them on the surrender.

      The Americans then treated us well, they let our car through without much questioning. Driving past the forest, I noticed a group of people in German uniform. Despite the warnings of my driver, Andreev approached them. An officer spoke to me, who turned out to be the commander of the battalion of the 1st division of the Vlasovites, captain Kuchinsky. I began to agitate him not to surrender to the Americans, but to switch to our side.

      After a brief meeting with his officers, Kuchinsky built a battalion and ordered him to move to the territory occupied by the Red Army. A little later, we learned that after the surrender, an artillery regiment and an engineer battalion of the same division had moved. In the meantime, Kuchinsky and I noticed a small convoy of cars moving west accompanied by two American Willis. I asked: who is this? Kuchinsky replied that this was the headquarters of the division.

      We were able to overtake the convoy only after about forty minutes: the Vlasovites had more powerful cars than ours. Turned across the road and forced them to stop. The infamous General Bunyachenko, the commander of the 1st division of the Vlasovites, got out of one car. When he saw Kuchinsky, he cursed him and said: "Scoundrel, he’s already gone over ..."

      Kuchinsky told me that General Vlasov himself often traveled with the headquarters of the 1st Division. I walked several times along the convoy, urging drivers to go to surrender to the Red Army. One of them advised to pay attention to the huge black Skoda. Approaching her, I saw in the cabin, not counting the driver, one woman and two men. I later found out about the woman that she was the “front-line wife” of General Vlasov, and the men turned out to be the head of counterintelligence of the 1st division of the Vlasovites Mikhalchuk and Vlasov’s personal translator Rossler.

      I opened the back side door and led the interpreter out of the car, intending to inspect the interior. At this moment, a man with glasses leaned out from under the pile of blankets, without shoulder straps. When asked who he was, he answered: "General Vlasov." From surprise, I turned to him "Comrade General," although what kind of comrade he is ...

      Vlasov, too, was clearly dumbfounded. However, he soon came to his senses, got out of the car and, ignoring me, went to the Americans to ask them to contact the army headquarters by radio. Soon another Willis drove up to our convoy, where American officers were sitting. I told them the same thing that I would say now to anyone: General Vlasov violated the military oath, so he must appear before our court.

      Fortunately for me, the Americans turned out to be combined arms officers, and not counterintelligence officers - otherwise history could have received a completely different development. Seeing that there would be no resistance from the Americans, I pretended that I was going back with Vlasov to the headquarters of the American division. Sitting behind Vlasov in his Skoda, I ordered the driver to turn around and drive forward. While the rest of the convoy cars were turning around, we managed to drive quite far.

      Vlasov tried to order the driver where to go, but the driver, realizing what was happening, did not listen to him. The general felt that something was amiss and on the shore of a beautiful lake, where the car slowed down a little, tried to jump on the go. However, I managed to grab him by the collar and, putting the gun to his temple, said: "Another movement, and I will shoot you." After that, he behaved calmly.

      Moving without a map, we soon got lost. Fortunately, we came across an American post. For a long time they could not understand each other: it so happened that there was not a single translator nearby. In the end, the head of the post found a soldier, a Pole by descent, from whom we easily found out where the Red Army units were ... At 8 o’clock in the evening I handed Vlasov to the commander of the 25th Panzer Corps, Major General Fominykh. I didn’t see Vlasov anymore.

      As far as I know, Kuchinsky and the two Vlasov chauffeurs who helped us (Dovgas and Komzolov) were later released from criminal liability and even awarded orders of the Patriotic War. I was awarded the Order of Suvorov II degree. The same order awarded our brigade and corps commanders. In addition, the awards were received by the head of counterintelligence "Smersh" and the operative officer, who weren’t close when Vlasov was detained.
      1. Stas157 24 March 2020 13: 25 New
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        USSR tried to destroy under the Vlasov flag in 1942-1945, but it turned out only in 1991. And now they are draping the "hated" Mausoleum.


        In 1945, veterans would tear those who put IT on the symbol of victory.
        1. Insurgent 24 March 2020 13: 30 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          They tried to destroy the USSR under the Vlasov flag in 1942-1945, but it turned out only in 1991.

          Learn the story.

          "Vlasov flag" fool

          1. Stas157 24 March 2020 13: 34 New
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            Quote: Insurgent
            Learn the story. "Vlasov flag"

            Sorry, I didn’t understand your objection. What part did you and I split up because Vlasov had some other flag, or that WWII veterans would have torn for it in 1945?
            1. Insurgent 24 March 2020 13: 49 New
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              Quote: Stas157
              Sorry, I didn’t understand your objection. Where did you and I split up, did Vlasov have any other flag or that WWII veterans would have torn for it in 1945?

              In which place ? Yes, in many ...



              Memoirs of a Russian German, an officer in the service of the Wehrmacht, seconded to A.A. Vlasov V. Shtrik-Shtrikfeldt “Against Stalin and Hitler”, published in 1993
              “Rosenberg (Alfred Rosenberg, one of the main war criminals of fascist Germany, engaged in propaganda. - M. Ch.) Was interested in the issue of the flag (for Vlasovites.). The Romanov flag with an eagle and white-blue-red colors were, of course, rejected by him (since no one from the ruling elite of Nazi Germany had ever thought of reconstructing the Russian Empire!). On the contrary, Rosenberg liked the blue St. Andrew’s cross on a white background, conceived as a small shield on a red banner. ” Or: “Historical Russian national colors - white-blue-red - were banned." Above the Dobendorf camp, in which the formation of Vlasov’s formations took place, "... next to the German flag ... a blue Andreevsky cross fluttered on a white cloth." Against this background, the lines of one pamphlet (published already at Moscow State University!) Will seem somewhat strange, where the author very vaguely, maybe even timidly, writes about the existence of his banner at the ROA: “All Russian emigration continued to consider the white-blue-red flag a national shrine . (...) Andreevsky flag finally became the same national. It is possible that General A.A. borrowed his symbolism from the white emigration. Vlasov, creating the ROA - Russian Liberation Army. ” And the reader is at a loss: so what kind of symbolism did Vlasov use? White-blue-red flag or St. Andrew? Or both at the same time? Not a single photo has preserved for us the image of the Vlasovites under the “demon,” and vice versa, the sleeve insignia was the heraldic Spanish shield with a red border and St. Andrew’s flag in it. These are the ups and downs of the historical fate of the slandered white-blue-red and “real Vlasov” St. Andrew’s flag ...

              And this is only a small fraction of the materials that give an idea of ​​what really is and how it was then.
              1. Avior 24 March 2020 15: 16 New
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                Not a single photo has preserved for us the image of Vlasovites under the “demon”

                for the sake of justice, not quite right
                one way or another, the Vlasov movement, to one extent or another, was used along with the St. Andrew cross
                photos of Vlasovites with tricolor exist

                tricolor was used in Vlasov symbolism in awards, for example

                So you can’t say that they didn’t use
                in the Vlasov’s hymn "We Go Wide Fields" the tricolor is also mentioned as a symbol
                ... we go, the flag above us is three-colored,
                The song is flowing through the native fields.
                Our chorus is picked up by the winds
                And they carry to the Moscow domes ....

                The armored chevron of the Russland division is a tricolor, although Russland was not formally included in the ROA, but this is the case that there is not much difference.
                So, formally, there is no doubt that the Vlasovites tricolor nevertheless used
                But it is clear that this is not a reason to consider him a symbol of betrayal
                hi
                1. last astronaut 24 March 2020 15: 59 New
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                  ,, formally there is no doubt the Vlasovites still used the tricolor But it is clear that this is not a reason to consider it a symbol of betrayal,

                  I agree.

                  LGBT people chose the rainbow as their symbol. But this does not mean at all that everyone who looks at the rainbow and rejoice is gay.
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                  2. Tatyana 24 March 2020 17: 59 New
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                    Vlasovites - the dark spot of our history
                    The conversation about the Vlasovites in the light of the current - post-Soviet - history is not very simple for the current government. Namely.

                    Speaking about the fact that the Vlasovites are the DARK spot of our history, we must not forget about the DARK spots of the Russian Orthodox Church - the collaboration of the Orthodox clergy in the USSR occupied by Germans. Those. about the dark spots of the Russian Orthodox Church, which collaborated with the Vlasovites and German occupiers during the Second World War.
                    Still in official publications about the Second World War, the fact is ignored that one of the main reasons for the defeat of the Red Army in the initial period of the war was the successful activity of the German special services. The religious policy of the Third Reich was carried out systematically, thoughtfully, according to pre-worked out schemes and programs. In the occupied Soviet territories, numerous churches of the Russian Orthodox Church were opened.
                    In connection with the organization of operations to carry out Operation Barbarossa in the occupied territories On July 2, 1941, the Chief of the Security Police and SD Heydrich pointed out to the supreme commanders of the SS and Security Police: “Against the aspirations of the Orthodox Church, to extend its influence to the masses, do nothing. On the contrary, in every possible way to promote them, moreover ... to avoid the unity of the church. Also, do not impede the formation of religious sects. ”
                    At the same time, Hitler did not think about any revival of the Russian Orthodox Church itself, as well as Orthodoxy in the occupied territories of Soviet Russia, namely, it used the Russian Orthodox Church’s clergymen, the blind faith of the people in God and the temporary revival of the administrative apparatus of the Russian Orthodox Church in the occupied territories of the USSR in the form of “ soft ”German power for the decomposition of the state forming the historical people and the geopolitical disappearance of Russia itself.

                    ROC on the way to the great Victory. May 9, 2015
                    1. Tatyana 24 March 2020 18: 20 New
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                      Vlasovites - the dark spot of our history
                      And now, “Vlasovism” through clericalization in the Russian Federation among collaborators in power and the Russian Orthodox Church is not only gaining momentum in the country, but it does not bode well for ordinary people in the future.
                      It should not be forgotten that the historical Orthodox meme “For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland!”, Which arose even under Peter I, also existed among the Germans during the Second World War / WWII on a brass cross with the motto “Mit Gott für König und Vaterland” ("With God for the king and the Fatherland").
                      And both of these mottos reflect BLIND FAITH in God, i.e. to otherworldly power; the blind devotion of believers to the leader of the state as "the governor of God" on earth and only then, last but not least, devotion for the interests of their people and their native land and the Fatherland - for the homeland of their fathers!
                      Somehow, few people pay attention to it now.

                      And since the gods, monarchs and Fatherland among believers were and are different in different historical eras in different countries, the essence of the administrative religious apparatus of the church and its CHURCH oligarchy has always been the same - namely, it is the preservation and reproduction of oneself LOVED in as a commercial-ideological RELIGIOUS corporation - and with any social system and in any country - in the world in history, the so-called "Religious" wars.
                      T.O. religion and the church in the municipality in no way carry civil peace in a multiconfessional and multinational country.

                      After the overthrow of the Soviet regime, in which the church and religion stood at the margins of public life and did not have a noticeable influence in society, the Russian Orthodox Church began to take the first steps to strengthen its position. The bourgeois state quickly realized the need for the church as one of the main institutions of the system for enslaving the people, as a kind of painkiller, "opium for the people"
                      And right now, the merger of the church and the state is still in the secular country under the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
                      Clericalization, in particular, includes:
                      - the introduction of courses on the study of religion in school education,
                      - transfer of STATE property to the disposal of church organizations,
                      - financing of the church and its ministers at the expense of the state;
                      - The adoption of laws for insulting religious feelings and the formation of Orthodox squads and patrols.

                      As a result, clericalization, as such, always serves to build an oligarchic religious-police state in the country.
                      1. bober1982 24 March 2020 19: 16 New
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                        You have a very illiterate comment, and a very long one, you need to speak shorter.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        It should not be forgotten that the historical Orthodox meme “For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland!”, Which arose even under Peter I, also existed among the Germans during the Second World War / WWII on a brass cross with the motto “Mit Gott für König und Vaterland” ("With God for the king and the Fatherland").

                        Just a "masterpiece"
                        The historical Orthodox meme, as you put it, did not arise during the reign of Peter I, in his order before the Battle of Poltava this motto sounded somewhat different than what you voiced.
                        In final form - For faith, Tsar and Fatherland!, the motto was framed by Admiral Shishakov during the Patriotic War of 1812, which rallied the Russian people during the Napoleonic invasion.
                        The cockade of Russian folk militias of 1812 represented a cross with the inscription - For Faith and the King, and the Prussian militias, following the example of the Russians, had a cockade, a cross with the inscription - With God for the king and the Fatherland.
                      2. Tatyana 24 March 2020 19: 33 New
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                        Quote: bober1982
                        The historical Orthodox meme, as you put it, did not arise during the reign of Peter I, in his order before the Battle of Poltava this motto sounded somewhat different than what you voiced.

                        Yes, the final motto is "For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland!" Peter the Great sounded a little different, namely, "For faith, me and the fatherland!"

                        And what does that change? Absolutely nothing changes in its essence, but would only lengthen my comment even more.

                        And then, what's the difference, what was the historical transformation of this meme from the initial to its FINAL form, which has steadily survived to this day?
                      3. bober1982 24 March 2020 19: 41 New
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        namely, "For faith, me and the fatherland!"

                        Warriors! Here came the hour that should decide the fate of the Fatherland. And so you should not think that you are fighting for Peter, but for the State handed to Peter, for your kind, for the Fatherland, for our Orthodox faith and the Church
                      4. Tatyana 24 March 2020 19: 46 New
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                        This is in the document. And during the festive feast after the victory in the toast of Peter the Great?
                      5. bober1982 24 March 2020 19: 50 New
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                        Hello, the one who loves God, me and the Fatherland is just a toast of Peter
                      6. Tatyana 24 March 2020 19: 57 New
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                        Quote: bober1982
                        Hello, the one who loves God, me and the Fatherland is just a toast of Peter

                        So what? Even so, Peter said little or not intelligently that historians should not attribute to him the primacy in the formation of this meme “For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland!”?

                        And so, of course, thank you from me for this historical and very interesting clarification! yes
                      7. bober1982 24 March 2020 19: 59 New
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                        And, my respect for you, I wouldn’t get involved, I’ll tell you frankly, but your comment made me angry, I could not restrain myself. But, resourceful, my respect.
        2. Nikolai Grek 24 March 2020 21: 48 New
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          Quote: Tatiana
          Vlasovites - the dark spot of our history
          The conversation about the Vlasovites in the light of the current - post-Soviet - history is not very simple for the current government. Namely.

          Speaking about the fact that the Vlasovites are the DARK spot of our history, we must not forget about the DARK spots of the Russian Orthodox Church - the collaboration of the Orthodox clergy in the USSR occupied by Germans. Those. about the dark spots of the Russian Orthodox Church, which collaborated with the Vlasovites and German occupiers during the Second World War.
          Still in official publications about the Second World War, the fact is ignored that one of the main reasons for the defeat of the Red Army in the initial period of the war was the successful activity of the German special services. The religious policy of the Third Reich was carried out systematically, thoughtfully, according to pre-worked out schemes and programs. In the occupied Soviet territories, numerous churches of the Russian Orthodox Church were opened.
          In connection with the organization of operations to carry out Operation Barbarossa in the occupied territories On July 2, 1941, the Chief of the Security Police and SD Heydrich pointed out to the supreme commanders of the SS and Security Police: “Against the aspirations of the Orthodox Church, to extend its influence to the masses, do nothing. On the contrary, in every possible way to promote them, moreover ... to avoid the unity of the church. Also, do not impede the formation of religious sects. ”
          At the same time, Hitler did not think about any revival of the Russian Orthodox Church itself, as well as Orthodoxy in the occupied territories of Soviet Russia, namely, it used the Russian Orthodox Church’s clergymen, the blind faith of the people in God and the temporary revival of the administrative apparatus of the Russian Orthodox Church in the occupied territories of the USSR in the form of “ soft ”German power for the decomposition of the state forming the historical people and the geopolitical disappearance of Russia itself.

          ROC on the way to the great Victory. May 9, 2015

          what Madam, you do not get carried away nonsense !!!! fool laughing
    2. Moon 25 March 2020 22: 09 New
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      Quote: Avior
      So, formally, there is no doubt that the Vlasovites tricolor nevertheless used
      But it is clear that this is not a reason to consider him a symbol of betrayal

      The Ukrainian flag is similar. However, everyone here considers it purely emotionally unforgivable.
  2. Catfish 25 March 2020 19: 16 New
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    I believe that you are right in the basis, but why argue about the flag in general. These guys near Lugansk hardly remembered Vlasov and the flag under which he fought. request
  • RVAPatriot 24 March 2020 14: 59 New
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    We split up in the place that you don’t know history ... If one traitor took the historical flag of his loyal fatherland, then the others should reject this flag ??? Flag of Russia, Russian Empire !!!! The insurgent is right, learn history, or try to prove your conclusions logically
  • gsev 29 March 2020 19: 50 New
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    Learn the story.

    As far as I know, Peter 1 used the red-white-blue flag before the Battle of Narva. Presumably during this battle this flag of the Russian army was captured by the Swedes. However, the Swedes did not identify it as the Russian state and military flag. It is stored in the Swedish museum as a flag of an unknown region of the Russian state. Peter 1 no longer sent troops into battle under this flag, believing that it does not bring good luck ... Russian soldiers or their allies under this flag went into battle only in the Russian-Turkish war during the liberation of Bulgaria. Actively this flag was used by the NTS organization. This organization called for the outbreak of civil conflict in Russia. Famous for their slogan "Communists on the pitchfork." Another symbol of the NTS was the trident, which has now become a symbol of Ukrainian statehood. NTSovtsy collaborated with the Germans in the fight against partisans, on their behalf the United States conducted propaganda in Afghanistan among Soviet soldiers. For the first time this flag was raised in the USSR apparently by ntsovts Evdokimov at one of the meetings before the collapse of the USSR. That is, it is a trading Russian flag. Apparently, he was advised to Yeltsin as a symbol of Russia's refusal from the status of a great military power.
  • A good one 24 March 2020 13: 48 New
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    Quote: Stas157
    USSR tried to destroy under the Vlasov flag in 1942-1945, but it turned out only in 1991. And now they are draping the "hated" Mausoleum.


    In 1945, veterans would tear those who put IT on the symbol of victory.

    No need to cling to and put on the guise of a historical wise guy and no need to earn a musty authority, the same veterans would recognize in you an individual with running eyes, but would crush with a tarpaulin boot as a bilge ship and trench .... no
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    2. aleksejkabanets 24 March 2020 16: 14 New
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      Veterans would not bashfully hide Lenin’s mausoleum under the flags of the interim government, they didn’t fight for it, and Vlasov, like Kolchak, the Reds, and other current “lost chances” of Russia, are only accomplices of external enemies who were against us. ..t from a high bell tower.
  • 1970mk 24 March 2020 13: 50 New
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    This photo, as well as the avatar "75" on the site is a complete rewrite of history. There is simply no Soviet paraphernalia of victory. Without exception, "Russia won the Great Patriotic War" .. The fact that the Soviet people defeated the Great Patriotic War is generally silent .... Mockery of history in its purest form.
  • Looking for 24 March 2020 15: 38 New
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    they didn’t tear. they just shot them. !!!!
  • Boratsagdiev 24 March 2020 15: 44 New
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    You substitute concepts - this is not the Vlasov flag, but the flag used by the Vlasov people (like others).
    And the flag is just the same Russian.
    It is a pity that there are "singers" on the site ... yes this is noticeable.
  • gsev 29 March 2020 19: 56 New
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    Mikhail Ivanovich Yakushov

    As far as I know, the rest of the general ROA of the USA without any problems extradited Stalin from their camps. The United States was more interested in Abwehr agents and nationalists from the outskirts of Russia. Moreover, this interest arose no earlier than the fall of 1945, when the United States realized that the USSR was preventing the United States from dominating Asia and Europe.
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    Quote: Bulls.
    What else is OUR spot ?!

    Well, whose..none of the Germans? In this case, it is our and the younger generation that should know how to treat them, namely, as traitors and enemies of the people .. Actually, the enemies of the people are now completely in power .. But to begin with, at least Gorbachev was assessed, there is much more damage from him was than from the Vlasovites ..
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      Actually, the enemies of the people are now completely in power ..

      Oh, the sectarians pulled themselves up. tongue
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        Quote: Okolotochny
        Actually, the enemies of the people are now completely in power ..

        Oh, the sectarians pulled themselves up. tongue

        Self-critical laughing
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        Oh, sectarians pulled themselves up.

        Are you to yourself and the Order of Torquemada? Aren't you ashamed to remind you of this?
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          Stasigi are flames, can’t I get clever? It’s time for you to go to a psychoneurological clinic, the whole sect moreover, in each article you see “evil Putin” laughing fool You are not tired in different articles on different topics to describe your nightly fears?
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            You are not tired in different articles on different topics to describe your nightly fears?

            what if so ... one whining everywhere like a carbon paper ... no variety !!! negative lol
    2. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 13: 29 New
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      Well, whose..none of the Germans?

      In the history of almost any state there are examples of renegades.
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      Actually, the enemies of the people are now completely in power ..

      Yes, a striking example of "patriotism" Nashi - cut down the loot, and over the hill. It is terrible if a really big war begins, because with such "patriots" it will be worse than in the First World War.
      Quote: Okolotochny
      Oh, the sectarians pulled themselves up.

      This is your sect, Putin's witnesses. I hope you will be banned soon. laughing
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
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        Well, whose..none of the Germans?

        In the history of almost any state there are examples of renegades.
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        Actually, the enemies of the people are now completely in power ..

        Yes, a striking example of "patriotism" Nashi - cut down the loot, and over the hill. It is terrible if a really big war begins, because with such "patriots" it will be worse than in the First World War.
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        Oh, the sectarians pulled themselves up.

        This is your sect, Putin's witnesses. I hope you will be banned soon. laughing

        C'mon, the Tollinist, greetings from Samara, you will surely be the first burgamist of your own free will, you will feel a lot of anger and you want to live, and not just live, but exist. Under the pebble, under the blade of grass. Are the kids like yours, haven’t they sent their dad away yet?
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          you’ll definitely be the first burgamist of your own free will,

          Unlike you, the "laurels" of the Nashi people do not appeal to me; I do not consider my future in any situation from the future of my homeland. The burgomaster and policeman will be like you, ready for 30 silver coins to sell your conscience and your own people, whitening bleached power.
          The question is how about a fellow countryman - in Samara are people happy with Putin? wink In what circles do you rotate, do you serve at EP headquarters? I've been talking with the guys from Samara quite often, there will be Tryndets in the next elections.
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          Are the kids like yours, haven’t they sent their dad away yet?

          No need to judge someone else's family on their own. wink Anyway, when in the absence of arguments people try to hook an opponent through children, this is a direct indicator of a person’s rottenness.
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            Unlike you, the "laurels" of the Nashi people do not appeal to me; I do not consider my future in any situation from the future of my homeland.

            This is for the time being. Hands are ready to warm, there is a hypocrisy.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            The question is how about a fellow countryman - in Samara are people happy with Putin?

            Not all and many of them.
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            In what circles do you rotate, do you serve at EP headquarters?

            Do not wait, but I saw a gray mouse in you, evil, which is far from the barn.
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            No need to judge someone else's family on their own.

            No, I read it somehow. Children grew up and there is no contact with dad.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Anyway, when in the absence of arguments people try to hook the opponent through children, this is a direct indicator of the person’s rottenness.

            So I want to say about the same that when you change the wind rose, you will behave rotten towards the homeland, and do not worry about the children, the soldier will not offend the child. yes
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              This is for the time being. Hands are ready to warm, there is a hypocrisy.

              Once again - do not judge by yourself.
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              No, I read it somehow. Children grew up and there is no contact with dad.

              Don't you confuse me with anyone? I have children of different ages, older than 19, the youngest year. Is it grown up? fool
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              a child’s soldier will not hurt.

              Wehrmacht soldiers so promised. wink
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: Rusland
                This is for the time being. Hands are ready to warm, there is a hypocrisy.

                Once again - do not judge by yourself.
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                No, I read it somehow. Children grew up and there is no contact with dad.

                Don't you confuse me with anyone? I have children of different ages, older than 19, the youngest year. Is it grown up? fool
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                a child’s soldier will not hurt.

                Wehrmacht soldiers so promised. wink

                From where such hardening and knowledge the grandfather of the headman transferred the diary to the granddaughter? wink
                1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 15: 38 New
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                  Cognition from Soviet history textbooks, plus an inborn sense of smell on storytellers-changeling. Which promise a lot of good things, but do the opposite. Similar actions were taken by the occupation authorities, who promised the local population golden mountains, and they themselves implemented the Ost plan.
                  You and your owners act in exactly the same way - screaming at every corner about an improvement in life, and there is a degradation of medicine and education, industry is stagnating steadily, fuel prices are steadily rising, although they are falling all over the world. you’ve gotten off the oil and gas needle for two years already, but oil prices have fallen, and it became clear who ponty was pounding. All is well, beautiful marquise ...
                  The government behaves absolutely not logically and irrationally.
                  BUT (!) If you suddenly imagine for a moment that the true goals of your government are not to boost the country's economy, but its collapse, then all of them and your actions will at once find both logic and meaning. Your government is very competent and consistent in destroying the country, slowly but surely leading it to collapse. Leading state corporations are trying to privatize, explaining this by their inefficiency and loss-making, but at the same time they are paying salaries and bonuses that have no analogues in the world to top managers. National projects are breaking records for exceeding the estimated cost, but you want hot lei ( wink ) in the eyes - all of God's dew. You and your ilk are pouring here that in the context of globalization it makes no sense to invest in the development of your own production (who will buy all this, they say?), Tell tales of some breakthroughs, although your eyes see completely different around, namely, an increase in imports in all industries. Is China your everything?
                  It is your government that is once again stupidly scamming the NWF, lowering it into the furnace of another crisis, what we supposedly saved for future generations. A convenient system of weaning money from the people, is not it? First, explain the lack of progress in the economy by the need to accumulate fat, then write off accumulations in a crisis (artificially created), and you can start over.
                  Beauties, the system works! good The only thing that pleases is that recently your government has gone too far and the people have begun to see clearly. And accordingly, you will soon be rewarded. Only you personally should remember a lesson from history - during the retreat of small traitors and policemen they did not take with them, and they usually ended up on the gallows. I think no one will take you to London with you. wink
        2. Stas157 24 March 2020 14: 33 New
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          a lot of anger and apparently you want to live, but not just live, but exist. Under the pebble, under the blade of grass. The kids are yours, haven't you sent your dad away yet?

          A lot of anger from such "commentators" like you. Even the children did not hesitate to attract!

          Rusland, admit judging by the expressive nickname you sympathize with the Vlasovites ??

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            Quote: Stas157
            Quote: Rusland
            a lot of anger and apparently you want to live, but not just live, but exist. Under the pebble, under the blade of grass. The kids are yours, haven't you sent your dad away yet?

            A lot of anger from such "commentators" like you. Even the children did not hesitate to attract!

            Rusland, admit judging by the expressive nickname you sympathize with the Vlasovites ??


            Stas, license plate. wink Apparently you were born in vitro. Before your test tube with its dubious contents, all these things happened. Smoked visible and distracted. wink
      2. Okolotochny 24 March 2020 15: 36 New
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        Bah, what kind of people, Manya ..., the monarchists in the arena, the Samara leader. Listen, an advocate of the Sword and Aral Society (maybe the first letter?), A man who professes the ideas of monarchism, in each article supports Trotskyist sectarians with a sore imagination? Or do you like them - "evil Putin" is sitting in the brain and beating the galley with an oar from a galley?
        1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 15: 55 New
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          "Sword and Aral" (maybe the letter about the first?)

          You are our lover of all kinds of "secret" societies. wink And according to the theory of Grigory Klimov, relations in these societies were built on the replacement of another letter. wink
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            Igor hi If Alex is an amateur, then I am a professional. Yeah. yes After all, I’m the Bloody Service, and not he is its mastermind. Address all claims on "secret" societies to me if you are in the know. I went through the “case” as the main “accused”. Since I am on the site, it means two options - the deadline is over or amnesty. In my case, the first coincided with the second.
            I urge you not to quarrel. There will be no good. Cases must be resolved kindly. Do not take it as a threat - just honest conversation and peaceful.
            1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 19: 58 New
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              Cases must be resolved kindly.

              I agree, but when they turn to individuals in complete isolation from the topic of the article, they’re also rude. it’s difficult, good to decide.
              1. Svarog51 24 March 2020 20: 12 New
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                Yes, here you are right. Something must be decided. It is necessary to respect each other, without this, nothing good will come of it. If I can help, I’m ready. But for dialogue, you also have to sacrifice something. Mutual understanding is at stake. It is worth a lot. Personally, I would like without aggression on the site. But this is my opinion, people are all different, what will happen in the end - I honestly don’t know. The situation is very complicated.
                Stopping the war is much harder than starting. Here is the whole catch.
                1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 20: 16 New
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                  But for dialogue, you also have to sacrifice something. Mutual Understanding

                  I always try to operate with logic and facts, and I'm not ready to sacrifice any of this. request I do not put cons, I do not complain to the administration, I try not to be rude.
                  I can offer only adequate respect, but only with reciprocity. Substituting the second cheek is not mine. hi
                  1. Svarog51 24 March 2020 20: 31 New
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                    Igor, I behave the same way. You in my komenty something illegal saw?
                    Turning my second cheek is not mine

                    I agree, I would have escaped the first. What should be done against the war? After all, there are many of us here, and, in principle, we can decide how much longer. Of course, I understand that there will be no unanimity, but even fights, too?
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                      Of course, I understand that there will be no unanimity, but even fights, too?

                      It is difficult Sergey, almost utopia. Too different views on the political structure of the country, and on the results of the government of the current government. request
                    2. Svarog51 24 March 2020 20: 58 New
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                      Igor, but can politics be discarded? First, find military allies in military technology, and then do not interfere with each other in politics. How I do not love her! Even war, in comparison with politics, seems cleaner, although this is not so. Can you find common ground? I am not a pacifist, it will be necessary - I will shoot without a doubt. According to the Oath I will give to the last drop. But how you want to live. yes
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                      Igor, but can politics be discarded?

                      And how to drop it, because the fate of our country, and our people, depends on politics at the moment.
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                      I am not a pacifist, it will be necessary - I will shoot without a doubt.

                      In an external enemy, please stand next to me. But if you are going to shoot at your people, protesting against the "soft" genocide and destruction, against beggarly salaries, against the excessive theft of officials - you will have to shoot at me as well.
                      I really want to live, but for me the fate of my children and my people is more precious than life. Already do not count for pathos. The current government still has a chance to resolve everything.
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                      I’m an EMERCOM - to shoot at my people - well, I just can’t do it; I will help to survive. For me, the enemies are external, although my colleagues are struggling with the internal. In between, internal ones are sometimes more dangerous than external ones. I hope you do not need examples?
                      Russia is first of all my family and homeland - then everything else. Because I don’t like politics and I don’t poke around.
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    It is not necessary to forbid anyone, let them show them with a finger, like rare animals.
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      like rare animals.

      But only in a cage! good
      1. Okolotochny 24 March 2020 17: 55 New
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        In the cage, in the cells, in the camps of the militants, Stalin kept you, because he understood that there was no benefit from you, just an op, snot and tears.
      2. Okolotochny 24 March 2020 17: 59 New
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        But you still haven’t answered how, with your “pure monarchical convictions”, you were sucked in with a sect of militant change-over communists? Want to answer? You have no belief. Your "beliefs" change from the fullness of your stomach, a purely animal consumer reflex. So, in the cell - this is for you. tongue
        1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 18: 18 New
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          Are you in a hickey with a sect of militant Changeling Communists?

          You have strange sexual fabrications about the patriots of Russia. Well, this is characteristic of members of "secret" organizations. lol Yes, I have some disagreements with the Communists about the past, but the fact that your government is destroying Russia and you need to do something about it, we have no disagreements.
          And you don’t have to answer for me, you cannot answer for yourself. Regarding the animal-consumer reflex - even though I don’t have it, it is your government that needs a competent consumer, not a creator.
          About the cell - time will judge.
        2. Svarog 24 March 2020 19: 15 New
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          But you still haven’t answered how, with your “pure monarchical convictions”, you were sucked up with a sect of militant change-over communists?

          Scraggy, how funny you are .. beliefs can be any, but the truth has become to unite people .. to combine different beliefs .. True, that’s the main thing. And the commentators who are telling the truth here are respected ..
          You, the supporters of the ugliness, of a weak Russia with a poor people .. you can’t bring any arguments in favor of this power, apparently for this reason, you have no choice but to be rude ..
          Reading your mentally distant comments is extremely unpleasant and I would not do this if you did not constantly cling to respected people ..
          1. Svarog51 24 March 2020 19: 43 New
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            Vladimir hi Everyone has their own truth. I stubbornly want my family to live without war and other disasters. Fat in the financial component is excessive, while the person is degrading. Lack of pushing him to move his brain, that is - to development. Refute.
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              Refute.

              Sergey, so what is there to refute ..
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              Lack of pushing him to move his brain, that is - to development. Refute.

              What have we achieved in 30 years? I don’t see development, I see, the facade was renovated, at our expense .. but I don’t see development .. The foundation for the development of any state is science, education .. What famous Russian scientists do you know? We have no fat and no fat, the skin will soon be torn off the last ..
              Refute ..
              1. Svarog51 24 March 2020 20: 00 New
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                Well, the counter-question is how did you live the last quarter century? Worked for the good of the state, or contrary to government decisions?
                Regarding me - I served in the Ministry of Emergencies, I did not violate the oath, etc.
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                  Good,

                  Well, that is, do you agree that we do not have science and naturally education? And if so, what future do you see? Welcome to Africa ..
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  counter question - How did you live the last quarter century?

                  Like all-working .. I had to wander around the country, constantly changing my place of residence and carrying my family behind .. And I worked in white, earned good money and gave a ton of money to the state in the form of taxes .. For this, the state thanked me with an increase in the retirement age ..
                  Regarding me - I served in the Ministry of Emergencies, I did not violate the oath, etc.

                  And where is the oath? We express a civic position, I have a lot of friends in the Ministry of Emergencies and serious organizations .. and for a glass of tea, the position of these people does not differ from mine ..
                  I stubbornly want my family to live without war and other disasters

                  So everyone wants to live without disasters .. only many do not see that they are already living in a cataclysm .. If you really are who you say you are, then by the end of this year, you will begin to feel the “care” of the state on yourself .. This is if about personal ..
                  But you think about the future, you probably have children, grandchildren .. Do you want them to live in such a country that the guarantor offers us .. Where is the unaccountable president who rules forever, where nepotism and corruption are full of color, where in essence, a feudal state develops in which there is no place to satisfy the ambitions of youth .. since the children of officials and oligarchs are already firmly sitting in the right places and their grandchildren are growing up .. In a country that has a gas station?
                  Think about it .. and I say goodbye to this .. Many people here in VO express very correct thoughts and give true assessments of everything that happens .. listen ..
                2. Svarog51 24 March 2020 20: 45 New
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                  Man, you are offended by the state during the reform period. And you did not choose the “shore”, but hang out in the channel without a pilot. It's time to grow up and decide on a creed. Life is short, the one who stupid with decisions - is in the outsiders. If you focused on the task of improving family life, you would succeed. This is considering how much time you spend on the site, instead of working for the good of the family. These things are interconnected. This is excusable to me - I am a pensioner. My family - the wife and the cat Lynx live quite worthy. Mom and daughter also help. And you? Set up a family - there and in politics it can be lucky.
                3. Svarog 24 March 2020 21: 01 New
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                  Man, you are offended by the state during the reform period. And you didn’t choose the “shore”, but hang out in the channel without a pilot

                  laughing You made a very strange conclusion .. that it is not correct, there’s no need to even explain ..
                  I’m not hanging out anywhere .. I’m doing fine .. including in the family)) and I myself have been a pilot for a long time ..
                  Life is short, the one who stupid with decisions - is in the outsiders

                  Thoughtfully.. laughing but what solutions are you talking about?
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                  It's about life in the realities of Russia further, how will we live? To drown, that made, or to build, what seems to us? And who says, where are we going?
                  I would save what I have and attach to it what I can. I do not want to destroy.
                5. Svarog 24 March 2020 21: 37 New
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                  To drown, that made, or to build, what seems to us?

                  And what have we gained ... if you mean personal private property, then nobody is going to take it away ... and this property isn’t such .. Take an apartment and don’t pay, let’s say a year .. well, you have a difficult situation and what ..you just remain without your property, or you didn’t give your mortgage to the bank .. and also without an apartment .. But in our time it’s more than easy to stay out of work .. So the whole property is ephemeral .. As it is .. but in any the moment may not become ..
                  And not one socialist offers to seize it .. But our strategic enterprises, the oil and gas industry, and energy are simply obliged to belong to the state ..
                  And who says, where are we going?

                  A socialist will come, where we need to go .. but with the liberals the capitalists for 30 years they haven’t come anywhere and for another hundred we won’t come anywhere .. more precisely there will be no one to go ..
                  I would save what I have and attach to it what I can. I do not want to destroy.

                  So any sane person would like evolution, not revolution .. Only here is the guarantor against .. he always wants to rule and not be responsible for the consequences .. That's the problem .. it turns out that evolution does not have to wait .. moreover , roll back to the past bypassing all the good that was during the USSR ..
                  Where it leads? I think that the worst option .. Either we will slowly and surely degrade and die out, or a coup will occur with very incomprehensible consequences .. I don’t like any of the options, but one of them will definitely happen .. With your tacit consent .. Who is to blame? Who created such a political, economic system? Why doesn’t he want to give up his own ambitions and hold fair elections? A lot of questions, but the answer is obvious ..
                6. Svarog51 24 March 2020 21: 54 New
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                  Vladimir, is your family in complete order so that you have time to engage in politics? Is there a place to live? What is there to eat? I heard you but you do not have me. I have the opportunity to devote time to politics, because there is order in the family, how about this? You cannot solve strategic problems without solving tactical ones. You are all eager to decide for a power that does not do so. Are you sure you know the same? If you get the full information, can you handle it? But you do not possess a share of that information. To be an oppositionist for what? For the sake of being. or for the sake of the result ?. Can revise and help the authorities, and not destroy, what do we have? It may be worse than it is.
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                  Vladimir, is your family in complete order so that you have time to engage in politics? Is there a place to live? What is there to eat?

                  That is, while there is food and a roof over your head, does this mean that everything is fine and you need to close your eyes to everything and not express your civic position? But doesn’t it seem to you that precisely because of this approach “my hut from the edge” we have everything exactly as it is ..
                  I heard you but you do not have me.

                  I hear you too .. but I don’t share this approach .. it is because of the tacit approval .. or just "not interesting" we have everything like that ..
                  You are all eager to decide for a power that does not do so. Are you sure you know the same? If you get the full information, can you handle it? But you don’t have a share of that information

                  It is enough for me to see the result .. The result is the most important information, the rest is from the evil one .. you can find a lot of reasons why you didn’t manage .. but if you didn’t manage it, leave, give the opportunity to another, create the conditions for fair elections .. this is honest and patriotic. And all kinds of conspiracy theories are just to justify failures and failures .. Always someone interferes ..
                  To be an oppositionist for what? For the sake of being. or for the sake of the result ?.

                  This is a civic position. Honest and clear. I am not a member of any parties, but I believe that Russia must be an empire, that the people of Russia should live in a socialist state, as the most progressive and fair structure of society ..
                  And of course, I am counting on the result, I hope that there will be more supporters of socialism and someday they will come to power ..
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                  Engage in politics and work for the family - not enough time. Either the family is hungry, or you are of little use in politics. If you become a professional politician and get food for this, there are also two options - depending on which side. Either for the people's money and for your state, or for "strangers" and against the existing government. Which option suits you? In politics, too, “warm” places have long been divided, if they let them go there, then by a simple “worker”. Going into the opposition - you can also “sit down” for illegal actions. The state will also protect itself and it has everything necessary for this.
                  But the choice, of course, is yours - which way to go. Moreover, there will always be associates and opponents.
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            Svarog: everything is fine with me .. and I myself have long been a pilot ..

            The Poles, following Susanin, probably also thought that he was a pilot, and they are doing well yes
        3. Nikolai Grek 24 March 2020 21: 59 New
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          I'm fine .. in the family including))

          what from nature then what nagging you ??? !!! wassat
        4. Okolotochny 25 March 2020 07: 44 New
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          Kolya, of course by nature, from the floor lol
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          Kolya, of course by nature, from the floor lol

          lol damn ... well, a couple of years already one nagging, everything is bad, ffssё disappeared, the gypsum was removed, the country fell apart, but in the end .... in the end, it turns out, everything is fine with him !!! fool wassat It turns out, not on the latest coupons for the Internet, they hang around here !!! belay lol
  • Okolotochny 25 March 2020 07: 42 New
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    I'm at least funny, not stubborn. Compare my comments, all and yours. In yours, 100% in Russia, everything is bad. Stasikisvarogi, you have a clinic, heal, you have only this topic in your brain, there are no others.
  • Okolotochny 24 March 2020 17: 54 New
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    I read from the beast. Health does not press rude to strangers? Or also get the last crust without salt, since Putin took everything away?
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    Boar, escaped from the forest?
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    The betrayal of General Vlasov and his accomplices has become a dark spot in the history of our Great War.

    Vlasov, the enemy of the people received a well-deserved punishment for treason in the form of a hangman. I consider it a dark spot for those who are trying to rewrite the history of the Great Patriotic War, calling it the second civil war and talking about the Russian cross. These are worse than the Vlasovites.
  • Vadim777 24 March 2020 16: 19 New
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    This is a one-sided perception of reality.
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    Watch the video: parade in Pskov 22.05.43.
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    The Volga-Tatar SS Legion "Idel-Ural", unlike the ROA, was not combat ready. In 1943-1944, about 30 thousand soldiers of the legion alone went over to the partisans and the allies. For example, the 825th battalion of more than 500 people, created by the Germans from prisoners of the Idel-Ural legion, on February 23, 1943, switched to the side of one of the units of the 1st Vitebsk partisan brigade by shooting the Germans who served in the legion.

  • prior 24 March 2020 12: 51 New
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    Vlasovites are not only about yesterday, Vlasovites in power are ours today.
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      Quote: prior
      Vlasovites are not only about yesterday, Vlasovites in power are ours today.

      ===
      ) who about what, and naked about the bath. power, power, power, power .......... go already in a crowd to power, you are full here (in your opinion, you are full everywhere). there will be your correct thought, your governors and your president. a milk river will flow between the jelly banks.
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        there will be your correct thought, your governors and your president. a milk river will flow between the jelly banks.

        Starved without power! If they come to power, they will grab the loot with all the holes ... These starving people will not burst, the stomachs are dimensionless ... But Russia will disappear without a trace ....
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          Why are you doing this ??? More specifically, please, what did Russia do to you personally?
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            Why are you doing this ??? More specifically, please, what did Russia do to you personally?

            And I, not about Russia! You probably did not understand what it was about. I wrote about those hungry for power ... They are not any Russia. We are the people, people living here, working Russia.
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          Quote: 30 vis
          Quote: Victorio
          there will be your correct thought, your governors and your president. a milk river will flow between the jelly banks.

          Starved without power! If they come to power they will grab the loot with all the holes ... These starving ones will not burst, the stomachs are dimensionless ... But Russia will disappear without a trace ....

          ===
          who knows?! maybe it (the new government) will be better, and now torn and the authorities will plow from morning to evening for the benefit of the people and the country. only now all this hostility / aggression / scuffling / gloating and other around "coming to power" is already alarming / annoying
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            who knows?! maybe it (the new government) will be better, and now torn and the authorities will plow from morning to evening for the benefit of the people and the country.

            When in our country a change of order, redistribution of property, took place painlessly for ordinary people ....? And so all the time we live in difficult times am Everyone promises that tomorrow will come a new good life .. fellow . Tomorrow, but not today, today they offer to suffer ... And tomorrow comes the ass! Robbery, poverty ..and a new cycle begins ... People rebuild themselves on the ashes, acquire households and again .. Change of power ... New ones came to rob!. I even have a theory every twenty to thirty years. Over the years, the country has been slightly overgrown with fat. A new generation is growing up. They completely beat off its head with slogans. wassat .. ... And away we go .. Change of power, cataclysms, robbery of the people ... Therefore, I do not expect anything good from the new ones. hi
    2. Looking for 24 March 2020 15: 42 New
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      They sorted it out with those. But with the current ones, the gut is thin.
    3. Vadim777 24 March 2020 16: 10 New
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      I’m afraid to disappoint you, the EDRO is in power, and there are all descendants of the CPSU and the Komsomol
  • Old partisan 24 March 2020 12: 52 New
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    They hung the jackal and did it right. Revive and hang again. Repeatedly.
    And the army put him in charge, too. And the first nat. the team paid for their guilt with blood.
  • Same lech 24 March 2020 12: 54 New
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    Vlasov is a coward and a traitor ... and the rank of General of the Red Army only burdens his guilt ... the gallows are a worthy reward to him ... another general of the Red Army Dmitry Karbyshev, who was captured as a result of contusion and unconsciousness, did not cooperate with the Germans and I respect him as hero ... here is the contrast between the traitor and the hero.
    1. The leader of the Redskins 24 March 2020 13: 10 New
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      Not only Karbyshev. Lukin ... In his memoirs, by the way, the generals and colonels who were captured are listed. Only a few units took the path of treason.
      1. DMB 75 24 March 2020 13: 21 New
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        I consider Lieutenant General Karbyshev a model of heroism and fidelity. Lieutenant General Vlasov - an example of cowardice and betrayal. Most Soviet generals who were captured were courageous, refused any cooperation with the Nazis. Even Denikin was invited to collaborate with the Nazis, but he refused, saying: "General Denikin served and serves only Russia. He did not serve and will not serve foreign states "
    2. Vadim777 24 March 2020 16: 11 New
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      Stalin's favorite however ....
  • tihonmarine 24 March 2020 12: 54 New
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    The new generation of historians, relying on facts only known to them, united the traitors of the ROA with collaborators of all stripes, including units formed by Germans from Russian emigrants, and made their nasty conclusion about a certain Second Civil War.
    These historians are the same traitors as Vlasovites, policemen, “heavis” and various “sonder teams”. A traitor, he is everywhere a traitor, and during the war he is subject only to destruction, which they did to them. There is no excuse for betrayal, both during the Second World War and now.
  • Incvizitor 24 March 2020 12: 58 New
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    Then the Vlasovites, now all sorts of liberals, are in bulk, there are always such swamps, and all, only, it happens that they get to power, as in 404 and misfortunes begin.
    1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 13: 44 New
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      Quote: Incvizitor
      Then Vlasovites, now all sorts of liberalists, are in bulk, there are always such swamps

      And what about the Secheni, Rotenbergs, Chubais, Serdyukov, whom the current "patriot" Putin considers effective managers and heroes of Russia? And he himself is a liberal, he personally admitted.
      In 404, troubles began because Yanukovych gave the country to plunder the oligarchs. The pendos simply successfully played this card. Putin is now taking leaps and bounds along the road of Yanukovych.
      1. Incvizitor 24 March 2020 17: 52 New
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        I’m more worried about Nashi’s horses who dream of ruining the country and destroying the people than these remnants of the 90s.
        The trouble began from the moment when the thieves and podp.ki to power seized power, everything grows from there.
        1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 18: 25 New
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          The trouble began from the moment when the thieves and podp.ki to power seized power, everything grows from there.

          Yes, but the authorities themselves are doing everything possible to ensure that we have a riot. The only difference is that, unlike 404, the Communists and those close to them in theory will come to power. Many look and listen to Navalny, but only a few prophesy about his kingdom. The bulk of the Grudinin, Platoshkin.
          1. Golovan Jack 24 March 2020 20: 21 New
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            Yes, but the government itself is doing everything possible to ensure that we have a riot

            Do not make excuses, you are not yet in miles ... ugh, police. But - walk the faithful path, faithful yes

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Communists and those close to them in theory will come to power in our country

            Whoever pays more will come. It always happens where the “veche” begins to decide something. yes

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            The bulk of the Grudinin, Platoshkin

            Mdja ... what request laughing
            1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 20: 28 New
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              But - walk the faithful path, faithful

              What are you talking about again? belay
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              It always happens where the “veche” begins to decide something.

              It happens, but it happens differently.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Mdja ..

              Feel free to express your thoughts, if they are of course. wink
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                It happens, but it happens differently

                It doesn’t happen, buddy. All current "revolutions" are made exclusively for sponsorship money, and whoever pays, he orders music. So the communists in our country, even if something happens ... well, they definitely won’t come.

                By the way, on the topic of revolutions and their likelihood in the Russian Federation - it is very interesting how successfully they will cope with the "cow virus" now. The topics are very similar, if you think a little wink

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Feel free to express your thoughts, if they are of course

                Yes there is, naturally ... but - not in a horse.

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                The bulk of the Grudinin, Platoshkin

                good laughing good ... to tears... laughing
                1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 20: 38 New
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                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Well, they definitely won’t come.

                  Nadia dies last. Although in something (Oh amazing!) You are really right.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  not a horse.

                  Something constantly interferes with a bad dancer. Can advise a good surgeon? wink
                  1. Golovan Jack 24 March 2020 20: 45 New
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Although in something (Oh amazing!) You are really right

                    I am almost always right. You just don’t catch up request

                    And therefore, again:

                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    not horse
                    1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 20: 52 New
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                      I am almost always right. You just don’t catch up

                      Bah, the patient has taken the path of recovery! ALMOST words have already appeared! laughing
                      But seriously, this is the easiest way in rhetoric to blame your opponent for not being able to understand. So again - can you contact Sylvester? He is competent in these matters. bully
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            Yes, but the authorities themselves are doing everything possible to ensure that we have a riot.

            Although it’s not enough, they’ll drive swamp mud, keep it in a stall, it’s a pity of course these races under
            Article 278. Violent seizure of power or violent retention of power
            Actions aimed at forcibly seizing power or forcibly retaining power in violation of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, as well as aimed at forcibly changing the constitutional system of the Russian Federation, -
            shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of from twelve to twenty years with a restriction of liberty for a term of up to two years ..
            Do not fall.
      2. Malyuta 24 March 2020 20: 58 New
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        But what about the Secheni, Rotenbergs, Chubais, Serdyukov, whom the current "patriot" Putin considers effective managers and heroes of Russia?

        The people will judge them all and will reward everyone according to their deserts.
  • Vladimir_2U 24 March 2020 13: 08 New
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    Vlasov’s flagged St. Andrew’s flag, and the current tricolor was not always perceived by me very much, although in recent years I have become better at it.
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      and the current tricolor was always not very perceived by me, although in recent years I have become better towards it.

      Steeper than the flag than red with a sickle and a hammer will never be .. I very much hope that we will return to it and it will proudly develop in the capital of our country.
      1. Ravil_Asnafovich 24 March 2020 14: 04 New
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        And the emblem of the USSR.
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        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        and the current tricolor was always not very perceived by me, although in recent years I have become better towards it.

        Steeper than the flag than red with a sickle and a hammer will never be .. I very much hope that we will return to it and it will proudly develop in the capital of our country.

        Itself under this flag grew and absorbed all the best like you. Well, you hang this respected flag color on your balcony, attach it to the car, start with yourself or wait for a kick to stand under your beloved and many banners. What do you walk and whine here. Go out and say: Yes, I love this color and the sickle and hammer, and I will go out too and say: it is also dear to me. yes
        1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 16: 40 New
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          Well you hang this respected flag color, on your balcony, attach it to the car
          People passed with flags, and here, near Novokuybyshevsk.
          1. Rusland 24 March 2020 17: 09 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Rusland
            Well you hang this respected flag color, on your balcony, attach it to the car
            People passed with flags, and here, near Novokuybyshevsk.

            This is our Chapaevsk and Novokuybyshevsk, responsible for your Togliatti, work in the field, and do not stick around the area where it is tastier. wink
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              This is our Chapaevsk and Novokuybyshevsk

              What does it mean ??! You just said here that if you want a red flag, hang it on your car. Trying to change shoes in a jump?
              So people hung a red flag, the reaction of your power to the video. Moreover, the government violates its own laws.
              1. Rusland 24 March 2020 18: 31 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: Rusland
                This is our Chapaevsk and Novokuybyshevsk

                What does it mean ??! You just said here that if you want a red flag, hang it on your car. Trying to change shoes in a jump?
                So people hung a red flag, the reaction of your power to the video. At no than power violates its own laws

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                So people hung a red flag, the reaction of your power to the video. Moreover, the government violates its own laws.

                Once again (Ai ugly no ) about you, about your balcony. Dance at home, that you stuck to us in Novokuybyshevsk, Chapaevsk, another pop Gapon or what? negative I’m talking about your balcony, about your porch, don’t need to crawl, read it carefully, like a protocol. yes
                1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 18: 46 New
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                  no need to crawl

                  So you fidget. Was there a conversation about the car? It was. And Novokuybyshevsk with Chapaevsk is in our region. You decide where you are from, telling me not to meddle with you.
                  If there are coconuts, put on a shirt with Putin and Medvedev, but go to the Samara Bearing Plant, they will quickly explain to you about the attitude of the overwhelming mass of the population towards the authorities. wink
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Quote: Rusland
                    no need to crawl

                    So you fidget. Was there a conversation about the car? It was. And Novokuybyshevsk with Chapaevsk is in our region. You decide where you are from, telling me not to meddle with you.
                    If there are coconuts, put on a shirt with Putin and Medvedev, but go to the Samara Bearing Plant, they will quickly explain to you about the attitude of the overwhelming mass of the population towards the authorities. wink

                    Clearly, the patient swam. Answer for yourself and your position that you are spreading it all over the region.
                    hi Sorry for your kids, if you misunderstood. Good health to you and your family. yes
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                      Answer for yourself and your position that you are spreading it all over the region.

                      Fidgeting again. Was there a proposal to hang a red flag on your balcony, on your car? Or are you already completely unable to answer for words? I cited as an example that people hung flags on a car, and how it ended the same can be seen. And where, in what area these people live - the tenth thing, do not take aside. Flag - a car, able to draw a parallel?
                      Quote: Rusland
                      Sorry for your kids, if you misunderstood. Good health to you and your family.

                      Accepted. For the future - do not touch the children, too personal. Limit yourself to a discussion of my humble person.
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                        Fidgeting again. Was there a proposal to hang a red flag on your balcony, on your car? Or are you already completely unable to answer for words?

                        Yes, in part of your balcony and your car. That is the "fuss". yes
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I cited as an example that people hung flags on a car, and how it ended the same can be seen

                        I understand that there is a Brest Fortress, respect for our peasants.
                        Well, here you are, moreover, what the Fingal prevents you from getting from you in Tollati, what are you scurrying about for us and give examples while sitting on the pot?
                        Enough to include a fool, like a fool. hi
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                      3. Rusland 24 March 2020 20: 35 New
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                        I feel sorry for you, a householder who does not recognize pots, regarding cooking and ... another. request You were asked to comprehend and take for thought at the very beginning what you described, described and cited as an example. I respect Lesha, he alone stands on the embankment with a poster, but you are verbiage, if only I and my hut are not. hi
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                        I feel sorry for you

                        Sorry for yourself, for a short while you still get a salary for the sale of your own people.
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                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: Rusland
                        I feel sorry for you

                        Sorry for yourself, for a short while you still get a salary for the sale of your own people.

                        In vain you are living in the same country, believe me, I would share a piece of bread like breadcrumbs with you in difficult times. yes drinks
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                        I would share a piece of bread like breadcrumbs with you

                        Yes, and I will share, but I would like not to bring the country to this.
  • Svarog 24 March 2020 19: 18 New
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    Itself under this flag grew and absorbed all the best like you.

    We have obviously absorbed different things .. For you didn’t even learn to communicate respectfully .. but there is no point in discussing subtle matters and meaning ..
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      and there is no point in discussing subtle matters and meaning with you.

      Vladimir hi Will I come to discuss subtle matters? Still, the namesake.
  • Incvizitor 24 March 2020 17: 54 New
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    I would prefer the imperial one, the Union is still gone, the modern RF is not worthy of that flag.
    1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 18: 30 New
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      I would prefer imperial

      As an option, but not many people know the imperial flag, but everyone knows red.
  • Maxim364364 24 March 2020 13: 09 New
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    What is there to discuss, to write scientific treatises with the aim of discussing causes and effects, cheating on the oath, and that’s it. Everyone chooses his own path.
  • rocket757 24 March 2020 13: 10 New
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    All the sisters have already been given “earrings”!
    That's it, the topic is over.
  • Dmitry Potapov 24 March 2020 13: 12 New
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    This is not our spot! The family is not without an inferior personality! As for the "second civil war", civil wars are waged between the citizens of one country and not on the side of the enemy of the motherland!
  • apro 24 March 2020 13: 13 New
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    Vlasovites are not a dark spot. And in Soviet times they knew about this and treated them with understanding. As enemies.
    Today, the Vlasovites won in Russia. And the authorities tried to whitewash the fact of betrayal by putting forward various versions. From the fight against the Communists to the help in the liberation of Prague.
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    For a long time both abroad and in the Russian Federation, a fighter has been made from Vlasov with both Stalin and Hitler. This makes him almost the banner of the Russian liberals. An example is an attempt to rehabilitate the general in 2001.
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    Genadius is right and wrong at the same time. There’s just such a thing. Cossacks. If very simplified, then consider. what is the border troops. Well, now think about how much more rotten Skin and Krasnov, perhaps. next to them Vlasov - so ... Poss came out.
    The traitor-frontier is something! And this is Krasnov.
    1. Marine engineer 24 March 2020 15: 43 New
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      On the border lived the Amur, Daursky, Semirechensky Cossacks, they can be called border guards. Krasnov from Donets, from the Don to the nearest border, jump and skip.
      1. Cowbra 24 March 2020 16: 10 New
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        Donts was resettled by Katya. And why? And where?
  • Amateur 24 March 2020 13: 53 New
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    The betrayal of General Vlasov and his accomplices has become a dark spot in the history of our Great War.

    The presence of traitors is the history of mankind. Judas Iscariot Hanged himself. Since then, traitors are always hanged.
    For some reason, they bypass the attention of Zhilenkov, Georgy Nikolaevich, Lieutenant General of the ROA
    Brigadier Commissioner of the Red Army., Secretary of the Party District Committee of the Rostokinsky district of Moscow. In this area there are a number of large industrial enterprises and educational institutions, its population reached 400. He was a member of the Moscow city committee of the CPSU (b). In my opinion, this party bastard is even worse than Vlasov.
    1. bober1982 24 March 2020 14: 51 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      Judas Iscariot Hanged himself. Since then, traitors are always hanged.

      There is no and no connection with Judah.
      Execution by hanging - the most shameful, has always been applied to war criminals and traitors, it has always been so.
      1. Krasnodar 24 March 2020 19: 54 New
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        Quote: bober1982

        There is no and no connection with Judah.
        Execution by hanging - the most shameful, has always been applied to war criminals and traitors, it has always been so.

        Judas was stoned and hanged - the Jewish Execution - a sekil. They usually throw stones from a cliff, they banged it like a Roman collaborator - for collaborating with the invaders and their accomplices from the Temple elite and the Greeks, so they hung him up for edification.
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          Wow ......., well, and things
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          According to the Gospel of Matthew, hanged himself
          According to the Acts of the Holy Apostles, the inside was lost.
          These are Christian versions.
          Interestingly, the Jews have any more?
          What is your source?
          Logically, the Jews did not make sense to persecute Judas, let alone stoning.
          1. Krasnodar 25 March 2020 08: 59 New
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            Quote: Avior
            According to the Gospel of Matthew, hanged himself
            According to the Acts of the Holy Apostles, the inside was lost.
            These are Christian versions.
            Interestingly, the Jews have any more?
            What is your source?
            Logically, the Jews did not make sense to persecute Judas, let alone stoning.

            I read in Israel, and more than once. On paper. Read who took Jesus from the cross - the richest people in Jerusalem who were in opposition to the Temple authorities. And so - yes, I agree the Jews of THAT PERIOD did not mention this story, Josephus has one thing provably him mention of Jesus in passing, Philo of Alexandria does not recall in any way.
            I read about this in the context of the fact that "the Jews did not commit suicide," Masada is an exception.
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          Krasnodar. - you shit!
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          2. Krasnodar 25 March 2020 09: 12 New
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            Cry from the heart? laughing
            1. Cowbra 25 March 2020 10: 10 New
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              Cry from the heart?

              Do you contradict the Bible? Sinlessly ...

              Jack London said about you ... "But the mutts didn’t have a soul at all. They could only break bones."
              1. Krasnodar 25 March 2020 10: 16 New
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                Are you a hereditary aristocrat? )))
                In general, it touches me when someone pumps me ideas about that period of time of the country, not knowing:
                A) Her religion
                B) language
                In history
                D) Laws
                I am not going to offend the feelings of believers, so this discussion can only be conducted in a question-answer format, although this is superfluous.
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  not knowing:
                  A) Her religion
                  B) language
                  In history

                  Krasnodar, if you really are Krasnodar, drunk, what is the name of the aspen? He knows, honest mother. Go read "in Israel" (c)
                  1. Krasnodar 25 March 2020 10: 36 New
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                    Well, why do "masters of life" have a habit of being rude in the information space? )) Corrupt the titles of winners of boxing competitions or crush the severity of the capital earned by the brain? lol
                    1. Cowbra 25 March 2020 11: 15 New
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                      And why do "lackeys" of life have a habit of not answering questions? You decided to vote? Do you have a dialogue? Dialogue is not when one speaks and hears no one but himself. Answer the question first, then tell me
                      1. Krasnodar 25 March 2020 11: 37 New
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                        From servants like me, “masters of life” like you snatch at a poorly washed car laughing I'm already silent about the HOLE))
                        Judas tree is a folk name for aspen
                      2. Cowbra 25 March 2020 12: 25 New
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                        True, or bloody. And also a smokehouse. And about the "holes" - you're still lucky. what not ass fuck wink Pin up any city. about our places, for example - Mos-Kvach)
                        Well now let’s do it - but why did I suddenly become a "master of life" all of a sudden? Just straight curious
                        And for Judah ... A middle-aged man, they did not baptize me, he was baptized, and I was many years old. Orthodoxy of the brain is not sick, but lying on faith - I do not like categorically. Not with stones, but with buoys, and not Judas, but Yuden
                      3. Krasnodar 25 March 2020 12: 42 New
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                        About Astrakhan - did not hear laughing good As for Moscow - everyone can laugh, but 80% of babos from all over Russia still flock to the capital.
                        The master of life - because you are rude, like a gentleman to a serf. Ugly, listen, yeah negative
                        And where is the lie? laughing For Jews in religion, suicide is a great sin, so Judas himself hardly managed to hang out, collaborating with the Romans, Greeks and the Temple authorities often hung up after stoning in contrast to the Roman crucifix, about buoys and Yuden - at Vlasov’s grave on your next visit hi
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                        They didn’t hear about Astrakhan, well, you’re lucky that you’re not horseback, one of CSKA’s most shameful pro-flies - they flew into Volgar-Gazprom to Ass-fuck, there was not just fuck-ass laughing And with a hysteria from, for example, Berezutsky - the fairy tale is simple, they have washed themselves to their full height! Well, they lost.
                        And for the Jews ... Yes, they have a lot of different things, for example, the Jews, it seems, do not really change their faith? Markovichi, you’ll still laugh - tse Kozaki, Mark Avramych - you must admit that the original Krajina names were already colonel in Sichi) Nothing, did not break. How did the Cossacks, especially the Sychev Jews, love?
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                        Cossacks have many Josephs, Abraham, etc. - biblical, orthodox names. Cossacks Pts loved Jews, Jews fell in love with them in response to the Civil)).
                        As for the change of religion - parents sit mourning for a week, they don’t communicate with a child who has changed faith.
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                        I sympathize. I have the closest analogue in my life .... Well, there is such a person. true, not a stranger. but thank god not my family. He himself is Ukrainian, Orthodox WAS. He married a Muslim woman - a stunningly beautiful and smart girl, though, there is only envy in white. And I don’t know why - literally a month has passed - and do not know. The fact that he went into muslim is okay. his war is not my concern. So he didn’t even jerk in the gopniks! "Collector I. Collector! Can you see the trunk? Well, get out of here. I'm stronger than you!"
                        Really - it was. Woodpecker.
                        Or another phrase of the same person ... Well, yes, he is my (own) brother. So this means that he must help me - he must always! - And you? - So he's a Gentile!
                        Introduced my eyes. when did i hear that ?!
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                        It happens laughing
                        It is more fun in Krasnodar - one public figure surrendered a colleague to the KGB under the Union for baptizing a child, but now he is the most Orthodox of all cultural figures of the Region, the collector and keeper of the original Cossack traditions, Hero of Labor of the Kuban fellow
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                        Have you ever been bored there winked
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                        Now stagnation.
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                        No football! By the way for sports - for Krasnodar. Okay, still for Galitsky. But DOSAAF who got you crazy?
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                        Even Tkachev pulled)).
                        And state funds invested.
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                        Listen, I'm not quite wooden ... You roughly understood how much THIS IS THIS:

                        Bastards, and in jackets. and with the walters !!!
                      13. Krasnodar 25 March 2020 16: 31 New
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                        Well I say - Tkachev pulled up - what is not clear? laughing I don’t know names - the rest is info on the Internet wink
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I say

                        Yes, you understand. what kind of photo to say ... Hey. Ale, I’m kind of a Muscovite - we have the capital of the state here - you realized that I was looking at a photo from Krasnodar ... Ekerne mene. envy
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                        Tkachev, no matter how he was scolded, is a very smart guy. I'm sorry that he resigned as governor. As for Moscow - I was not interested, but you should have such private ones before the figurine - the richest city in the country!
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                        We have a fox hole training ground ... Very good, but the truth - here is yours - worse!
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                        We have a lot of cool stuff - welcome to the Krasnodar Territory fellow
                        In theory - there is everything. Up to its own oil.
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    Quote: Krasnodar
    Judas was stoned and hanged - the Jewish Execution - a sekil.

    Do you contradict the Bible? Sinlessly ...
    And no matter what religion you are, or even an atheist.
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    The betrayal of General Vlasov and his accomplices has become a dark spot in the history of our Great War. Therefore, the attempts of unscrupulous historians to imagine black as white in the eyes of people who know the real history of the war and its heavy price are countless and hopeless ............. there wasn’t a stain, that’s all. He was 64 years old, and already at the age of 11-12 he knew who the Vlasovites were. and Dad told, yes, from the movie ,, liberation ,, the information was. there were many of them at the construction sites of the national economy, in cities, and at the end of their term, they remained to live there. already in the year 80 - and he worked with them at work. our people simply didn’t argue much. He served the Germans, it means the Vlasovite, and the point. Yes, they were silent in a rag, who they were, Cossacks, or policemen, no matter the Vlasovite, and that’s it.
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  • Fishery 24 March 2020 15: 27 New
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    250,000 Ukrainians 70,000 Belarusians 70,000 Cossacks 150,000 Latvians 90,000 Estonians 50,000 Lithuanians 70,000 Central Asians 12,000 Volga Tatars 10,000 Crimean Tatars 7,000 Kalmyks 40,000 Azerbaijanis 25,000 Georgians 20,000 Armenians 30,000 North Caucasian peoples
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    It’s not a dark, but a definite formation of traitors and enemies of the people. They behaved worse than the Nazis, my mother was in occupation, so the Germans did not take the latter, and these jackals raked everything clean.
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    Those of the Vlasovites who participated in the liberation of Prague from the Wehrmacht troops bleached their name in history, saving the pearl of the Slovenian world from death. And yes, they recaptured Prague under the banner of the Roa, without the participation of the Red Army.
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    Judging by the majority of comments, the civil war in Russia continues ....
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      Quote: Vadim777
      Judging by the majority of comments, the civil war in Russia continues ....

      it is very doubtful to consider the comments here-the mood of the whole Russian people !!! wassat lol
  • aleksejkabanets 24 March 2020 16: 25 New
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    Vlasovites are not only about yesterday, Vlasovites in power are ours today.

    Sorry, but unfortunately this is a bitter truth. And they are also indignant that in the West they are trying to equate Communism with fascism. They themselves had a hand in this.
  • Ovrag 24 March 2020 17: 25 New
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    Stalin decided on occasion to get rid of the most popular commander in the country. Hero of the defense of Moscow. Did not work out. He fled to the enemies. In general, such a usual story. Especially for Stalin. Which always thwarted any attempts to approach him in popularity.
    It’s not clear just what shame has to do with it? If these units fought on the side of the Nazis - it would be a shame. And so there they almost powdered their head for almost 4 years, devoured their supplies, and even saved a certain number of people from death in the camps. Without firing a single shot towards the Red Army. The fascists also perfectly understood that they would turn their weapons against them as soon as possible ... In general, in fact the topic is not worth a damn.
    Why many people bomb so much is not clear.
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      Quote: Ovrag
      Stalin decided on occasion to get rid of the most popular commander in the country. Hero of the defense of Moscow. Did not work out. He fled to the enemies. In general, such a usual story. Especially for Stalin. Which always thwarted any attempts to approach him in popularity.

      Yes, yes, yes ... and Stalin tried to get rid of Zhukov in 1941 at least twice (Leningrad and Moscow after the start of the Typhoon). And from Rokossovsky. And from ... who else was he sending to dangerous areas there? Indeed, it is clear to everyone that the more dangerous the situation, the worse the commander must be sent to resolve it.
      And not only Stalin. Churchill also tried to get rid of Montgomery and ABC. Roosevelt - from Halsey, Spruens, Fletcher and Patton. smile
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        Sure sure. But I note that Stalin did not actually send anyone but Vlasov "to death." Although in general. I do not exclude that the whole situation with the mess in the 2nd Army is, as a whole, the result of an underhanded squabble in the headquarters. Still, Stalin at some point really decided to pull Vlasov out. But he refused a shameful flight.
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      Stalin decided on occasion to get rid of the most popular commander in the country. The hero of the defense of Moscow ........... are you general, then you are friends with your head? STALIN - the supreme commander in chief, under his control, all fronts. the whole country, and among allies, and enemies sounds-STALIN. But who is this for the country, at that time 41-42 years of Vlasov? one of a thousand mediocre generals, of which in the newspapers of those times, a dime a dozen. yes, who knew him then. then the whole press was under the main political administration of the Red Army. glorified, or even deleted from life, according to their orders, and naturally consulted with the supreme, not without it. so, the Supreme said to print, it means they will print, and will be a hero. and you’ve probably read milechina that you’re talking about .......
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        STALIN - Supreme Commander

        Yeah. The commander in chief. Stalin, although marked by some successes in the civil war, as commander of the troops ... But his real potential ... Well, approximately at the level of Hitler. Which, in general, was shown by all military companies until the age of 42-43, when, as a result, his heart squeaked, he in fact completely gave the leadership to Zhukov and Co.
        And in general, if he led the whole war. That she pissed away at the very beginning of the war. When he strongly did not want to believe that Hitler was the first to succeed.
        To command troops, this is not a purge in the apparatus and among the population to arrange. They need specific knowledge, skills, understanding of the situation, etc., etc. Therefore, in our time, nevertheless, they are directly commanders of the army, they are only people. And all sorts of supreme - purely nominal. Maximum poke in which direction to fight.

        But who is this for the country, at that time 41-42 years of Vlasov?

        The question of a man who apparently did not teach history. I didn’t even get to Wikipedia. Does it make sense to answer it?

        yes, who knew him then.

        Well, everything is clear. You would have it. At first, the topic would be studied at least a little. And then they wrote something.
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          The question of a man who apparently did not teach history. I didn’t even get to Wikipedia. Does it make sense to answer it? ............. doesn’t, I’m telling you right away. one who teaches history on Wikipedia, and even does not see what is written there, he does not accept any historical facts. comparison with a draft horse, in which the blinkers are in front of one’s eyes, where they will be sent there and goes, but you cannot look right or left, these blinkers interfere. take them off your eyes, read the Marshals, Vasilevsky, Zhukov, Golovanov, Rokossovsky - an intelligent military historian Isaev L. century, and other historians, in extreme cases, go to the library, or on the Internet read the book of an. Vasiliev, at one o’clock, Your Excellency, just do not need more than that ........ what you write.
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          Ovgar, in fact, information flashes that Hitler was well versed in planning. It was already theirs generals who found an explanation: the stupid Hitler was to blame for the defeats. In that case, was Stalin not stupid?
          “As commander of the troops”, as far as I remember from the textbooks and on the website I saw that Stalin was not the commander of the troops in the civil war. You are too lazy to re-read the story
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          Quote: Ovrag
          Stalin, although marked by some successes in the civil war, as commander of the troops ... But his real potential ... Well, approximately at the level of Hitler.

          Hehehehe ... so we know about Hitler’s potential only by the memoirs of beaten German generals who managed to blame all their failures on the Führer. And what a great tactic: it’s not we screwed up, we only obeyed the orders of a dumb corporal.
          And when they dug up the same “stop order”, it suddenly turned out that von Rundstedt had stopped the troops. But Hitler endorsed the already executed order only the next day - moreover, after von Rundstedt proved to him the validity of the stop.
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      Ovrag, have you eaten mushrooms? Can Vlasov put up a monument: the savior of the unfortunate and the powder of the brains of the Germans? In your opinion, Himmler and Hitler were naive kids and did not see that he was powdering their brains
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        Do not pay attention, this is an ordinary provocation.
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    Vlasov, Vlasov, but do not forget about the 29th Loko SS division of the SS RON Kaminsky ...
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      As a result, it became part of the ROA - in the first division of Bunyachenko.
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        As a result, it became part of the ROA - in the first division of Bunyachenko.

        Not all ... Many went to Dirlewanger, becoming the basis.
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          The basis of the SS Dirlewanger brigade was made up of criminals released from concentration camps, primarily the deserters, and it was created before the Kaminsky SS brigade. However, both were particularly noted in Poland during the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising, so much so that the relative of Eva Braun - SS General, wrote to Hitler and Himler about the need for the trial of both brigadeführer. Kaminsky even seems to have been shot about this. Although this surname also appears on the lists of the Vlasov assembly in Prague.
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            The basis of the SS Dirlewanger brigade

            Yes, you are right, but not in everything, after the dissolution of the 29th (Russian) SS division (RONA) in 1944, the 72nd Grenadier Regiment of the SS Army (Russian No. 1) and the 73rd Grenadier Regiment of the SS Army (Russian No. 2) were transferred Dirlewanger assault brigade, thus making up practically its basis
  • Astra wild 24 March 2020 21: 00 New
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    Colleagues, a documentary cycle is underway on NTV: “Based on real facts,” and today I watched about the punishers that they burned Khatyn. This is the work of Ukrainian nationalists from 118 battalions of auxiliary police. The chief of staff of this battalion was Vasyura, a senior lieutenant of the Red Army, six days after the outbreak of the war he went to serve the invaders. The beast was still the same and the occupiers awarded him 2 medals, and in 1985 he wanted to be awarded the Order of the Patriotic War! His hands are not like elbows in the blood, but he is the top of his head in blood. And this monster for many years told tales of how he fought with the Nazis.
    And there were many like him. SORRY to tears it is a pity that many Vasyurs escaped retaliation
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      that many Vassury escaped retaliation

      Look, you will be interested
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        Thanks, really interesting
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    My father personally captured 21 Vlasovites and was, among other things, presented to the Order of the Patriotic War, but for some reason he did not receive this order. The submission to the order was recently unearthed by my sister's son on the Internet. We didn’t know anything about him before.
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      Presentation and rewarding are not the same thing.
      If you found it in the database on the Feat of the People website, then there was an award, there must be an order and an award sheet
      If not in this database, I advise you to check
      http://podvignaroda.ru/?#tab=navPeople_search
      It seems that there is no such award
      But the base is incomplete, in my grandfather I did not find everything
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    The Vlasovites were by no means “white and fluffy”, the units under the same “brand” of the ROA actually fought against the partisans in the USSR and against the Red Army at the front, after being reduced to “eastern battalions”, but also fought with the ROA emblems, and quite toughly, with Canadians and Americans in France, the Maki partisans participated in the destruction of civilians and partisans. In this regard, I recommend reading the recollection of Chief Lieutenant Vladimir Gerlakh, who commanded such a battalion - two volumes of “The Traitor”, including those published in Canada by the publisher SBO.N.R .. He wrote them in a prisoner of war camp. I must warn you right away - the presentation style is terrible, but the texture is interesting, instructive. Especially for those who still consider the Vlasovites "fighters against Stalin and the sufferers." And the photo is interesting - the battalion and its commander in German uniform at the grave of the fallen in France. By the way, they didn’t even give up on the orders of the Germans, they called them traitors to the Fuhrer and Germany.
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      "they were called traitors of the Fuhrer and Germany" this can be explained: some managed to shed so much blood that they had nothing left
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    War is war. If the 2nd army had not been treacherously thrown into the boiler, there would have been nothing. Vlasov is bad, and Paulus, when he switched to our side, is good? Well, do not forget - more than 20 years have passed since the October Revolution. Enemies of Soviet power on the territory of the USSR were abound.
    Here, by the way. I was always surprised by the accusation of working in favor of Japan. Where is Moscow, and where is Japan ?. But then I read the memories of an old woman. In the 30s she was a child, aged 7 - 10.
    It turns out there was a state program for the relocation of people from areas (villages) affected by starvation to Siberia and the Far East. Not a link - relocation. Only volunteers. They were provided with carts for transporting property to the railway station, wagons for people and property, wagons for transporting livestock.
    A special echelon was formed. The train on the way made stops, in specially designated places, for grazing cattle and cooking food on bonfires. And on Baikal, where the train passes near the water, someone (I wonder who?) derailed the ahead train with the settlers. As the author recalled: "Things and wreckage of cars floated in the water. It was very scary."
    Obviously, the affected train was not the only one. Well, who could harm Baikal? From here it went - "Japanese spy."
    So the manifestation of hatred of the Soviet regime could well have been quite widespread, provoking the authorities to take harsh measures against enemies. Democracy and philanthropy were completely inappropriate here. Either with us or against us. Opponents are destroyed.
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    This photo, as well as the avatar "75" on the site is a complete rewrite of history. There is simply no Soviet paraphernalia of victory. Without exception, "Russia won the Great Patriotic War" .. The fact that the Soviet people defeated the Great Patriotic War is generally silent .... Mockery of history in its purest form.

    I almost agree with you, but even Stalin, so beloved by some colleagues, raised a toast not for the Soviet people, but for the Russian
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    Vlasovites understand that they are traitors, but for some reason we forget the SS divisions, which were also formed from traitors to the homeland who surrendered to the enemy: 14 SS Galicia infantry division from Ukrainians, 15 and 19 SS divisions from Latvians, 20 SS division from Latvians, 29th SS division “Rhone” from Russians, 30th SS division from Belarusians, more than 100000 people in total, moreover, these units were particularly cruel, source “The Black Order of the SS” Heinz Heene
  • It is interesting to observe how, after the betrayal of Vlasov, Soviet historiography changed and crossed out all the events associated with it. "And the general he was, he was unimportant, and as a man, he showed himself to be an indifferent and melancholy subject." But at one time, he was almost the main Stalin general, for which he was honored to give interviews to foreign publications. However, almost all of his colleagues with time, starting with Zhukov and ending with ordinary soldiers, began to talk about the general’s military myopia. Since the founding of the ROA, it was clear that Germany plans to use it no more than a propaganda weapon. And she hoped to put in the head not Vlasov, but Dmitry Mikhailovich Karbyshev, who refused. In fairness, already in court, Vlasov tried to take all the blame on himself and thereby ward off death from his closest associates, but could not blame the scale of the betrayal.