Civil Aircraft: Soviet and Post-Soviet


Aviation industry was one of those sectors of the national economy for which the Soviet Union was quite legitimately proud. There was not a single foreign-made winged aircraft on the country's air lines, but our planes were exported to many countries of the world, and also produced in some of them under license. What happened to the once-mighty Soviet aircraft industry today, does it have worthy heirs and successors?


The USSR could rightfully be called a great aviation power - after all, it was she who created every second aircraft that was then in the airspace of the planet! From the assembly shops of Soviet aircraft plants there were as many planes as all the other countries of the world put together. In the 50s and 80s of the twentieth century, dozens of types of civilian aircraft were developed, which not only “got on the wing”, but also successfully went into series, produced in thousands of units - such as, for example, An-2, An-14 , Yak-40, Yak-42, IL-14, IL-76, Tu-134, Tu-154. This is an incomplete list of the most “circulated” Soviet winged vehicles.

In addition, three dozen different types of helicopters were produced in the USSR. Many of them had both military and civilian “versions”. Every year, the country exported seven to eight dozen aircraft, more than a hundred helicopters. The account for successfully sold overseas aircraft engines went to hundreds.

Perhaps the main thing was that everything - from the airframe and engines to the last screw or rivet in these machines was developed and produced by our specialists at our enterprises. The Soviet aircraft industry did not know the word “import” in principle. Our country in this industry could give a hundred points ahead to any Western competitors - and not only in the number of products manufactured (up to hundreds of passenger liners and cargo planes per year), but also in its quality, in the most advanced level of scientific and technical developments. One of the best evidence is the fact that the first supersonic passenger plane to fly into the sky at the end of 1968 was our Tu-144.

“Perestroika” and the subsequent collapse of the Soviet Union inflicted civilian aviation, as well as aircraft manufacturing, almost one of the most devastating blows. Rapid deindustrialization, the destruction of not only the production, but also the scientific, design, testing facilities, the rapid outflow of competent and trained specialists from the industry, and the almost complete cessation of training of worthy personnel capable of replacing them ... It seemed that our country would be doomed to fly forever on the Boeing and Airbus, having buried his own great aviation past, along with the handsome Ilami and Tupolevs, who were put into scrap metal. Nevertheless, in recent years the situation, albeit not quick, but began to change for the better.

It so happened that of the more than fifty enterprises in the aviation industry, as well as several dozen research and development associations associated with it that existed in the USSR at the time of its collapse, the vast majority were located on the territory of the RSFSR. Kuibyshev Aviation Plant (KuAZ), VASO (Voronezh Joint-Stock Aircraft Building Company), Kazan Aviation Plant named after S.P. Gorbunova is far from a complete listing of only the most leading Russian aviation enterprises. All of them, fortunately, continue their work today.

The second "aviation" republic of the USSR was Ukraine. Kharkov, Kiev, Zaporizhzhya aircraft plants, design bureau them. Antonov - all these enterprises were the pride of the Soviet aviation industry. They carried out the production of An-24, An-26 and Tu-134 aircraft and others. Naturally - in close cooperation with other plants and the design bureau of the USSR. The “swan song” of Ukrainian aircraft construction was the creation of such remarkable machines as the An-124 Ruslan and An-225 Mriya aircraft, which the whole world admired. After that, the sunset began ...

In fact, the end to the aircraft industry was built up in 2014 by a complete break in economic and economic ties with Russia. Over the past five years, the same “Antonov” has not released a single aircraft. There are only two opportunities before the Ukrainian aviation industry - to die quietly, or to be bought out by Chinese comrades. The latter, however, is very actively opposed by curators of the "non-down" from Washington. However, now the situation may well change, the Americans will not be up to it, and at least some remnants of the industry will be saved - by selling it to China.

Otherwise, most likely, Ukrainian aircraft plants will suffer the fate of the Tashkent Aviation Production Association named after V.M. Chkalov, who in the Soviet years produced one of the most popular vehicles - the Il-76. Today it is the Tashkent Mechanical Plant, in which there is not a single machine for creating aircraft left - it is completely redesigned for the production of freight railway cars.

So Russia, where civilian aircraft production still continues quite stably, with three dozen odd cars a year, in the end was far from in a worse situation. Let's not forget - the Russian Federation is among the world leaders in military aircraft construction. Let's hope that with civilian things will go no worse over time.
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  1. Eug
    Eug 24 March 2020 07: 44 New
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    I'd like to understand what Zaporizhzhya Aviation Plant is. Motor-Sich plant - it’s clear, Zaporizhzhya aircraft repair MiG - repair - too, but somehow I didn’t hear about the aircraft ....
    1. Malyuta 24 March 2020 07: 50 New
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      And Volodimir Vladimirovich says that in the USSR they knew how to make only galoshes, and he inherited such an economy from the Soviet Union ..
      1. Eug
        Eug 24 March 2020 07: 52 New
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        There is an option that in the USSR galoshes flew ...
        1. Malyuta 24 March 2020 08: 01 New
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          Quote: Eug
          There is an option that in the USSR galoshes flew ...

          Galoshes were under a special stamp, but a tractor!
          I will tell you about the blatant fact:
          On the banks of the Amur, amidst the fields
          Caught our simple Soviet tractor
          In the sight of six Chinese batteries.
          Hit a volley, shells flew,
          But the tractor driver was a guy with a head:
          He presses the pedal - and now the goal is not visible
          In the smoke curtain delivered.
          And the tractor soared over the pretty side
          And at the same moment the aggressor responded,
          To protect us frighten by war
          Hit a volley of tactical missiles.
          And our tractor driver, captain Litvinov,
          I looked at the map and turned on the afterburner,
          Calmly bombed over Beijing
          And laid home turn.
          He turned off the reactor over Cupid,
          So as not to frighten native sheep and goats.
          Our Soviet tractor rushed in the sky
          To refuel in your own collective farm.
          And, if the enemy takes action again,
          To prevent us from harvesting,
          Order of the USSR Agroprom
          A harvester will fly to our field.
          1. Aerodrome 24 March 2020 08: 22 New
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            but where about the "superjet" admiration ???
            1. Svarog 24 March 2020 08: 41 New
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              Quote: Aerodrome
              but where about the "superjet" admiration ???

              And what is there to admire him for 80% foreign ..
              1. Vadim237 24 March 2020 15: 54 New
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                If you look at any airliner manufactured in the world - there is not a single one created completely in one country, but the upgraded Superjet 100 in 2026 could become the first such aircraft in the world to increase the share of domestic components to 100 percent - a negative effect is an increase in cost, cost and time increase certification.
                1. Svarog 24 March 2020 15: 56 New
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                  Quote: Vadim237
                  If you look at any airliner manufactured in the world

                  And if you look at the USSR?
                  1. Vadim237 24 March 2020 19: 15 New
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                    And if you look at the aviation of the USSR, it will become clear that in fuel efficiency and on-board equipment it began to lag behind foreign in the early 70s - so in the 90s it disappeared, its Boeings and Airbuses landed.
                    1. Svarog 24 March 2020 19: 25 New
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                      Quote: Vadim237
                      therefore in the 90s she disappeared landed her Boeing and Airbus.

                      Chubais and Gaidaroeltsins landed it .. And what do you think, the USSR would not have managed independently with avionics and economy? Of course they would have done it ... but the traitors chose a different path for the country ..
                      1. Vadim237 26 March 2020 00: 26 New
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                        He could not and could not cope with these problems for 25 years - they did what is simpler and cheaper.
                    2. Dimon-chik-79 28 March 2020 14: 57 New
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                      "profitability" should be the last criterion for a country in which oil spills from the earth with a fountain! Let those who buy this oil from us consider liters and tons! Most of all questions to those who infinitely levied fuel and who allow air junk from around the world to the country! And yes, I agree with the statement that the domestic aircraft industry was planted not so much by foreign manufacturers (at least for the sake of, and probably even from, their supply), namely, niches by "dear" officials ..
            2. Malyuta 24 March 2020 09: 14 New
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              Quote: Aerodrome
              but where about the "superjet" admiration ???

              Now the Zaputinians will come and tell you everything about the done and the netanalagaf world.
            3. To be or not to be 24 March 2020 11: 57 New
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              Remember the superjet and forget about ..
              Serdyukov - On May 8, 2019 he was elected Chairman of the Board of Directors of PJSC United Aircraft Corporation.
              .. "bulldozer" for the aviation industry "or .." Serdyukov will clear the aviation industry, as before the army .. "
            4. Eug
              Eug 24 March 2020 16: 07 New
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              Where the Superjet is there is admiration.
        2. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 08: 19 New
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          Quote: Eug
          There is an option that in the USSR galoshes flew ...

          First to space! wink
          1. DMB 75 24 March 2020 08: 29 New
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            That's what the Union collapsed for, because the nefig in space is rummaging around, our destiny is pumping oil and gas to the bourgeoisie. Evil is not enough, such a country is about .. And for the current officials of all stripes, we only knew how to do it. Ivan, we don’t remember kinship, whom all had long been transferred over a hill, and families, and money, and children, and thoughts. The Union brought them all to the people, and now they spit on him.
        3. vik669 26 March 2020 21: 03 New
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          But if in the USSR they gave a kick in the ass galoshes then they flew ... but not galoshes, but what BB says so to say, then something should be all the more so in his posts, both past and present!
      2. tihonmarine 24 March 2020 08: 33 New
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        Quote: Malyuta
        And Volodimir Vladimirovich says that in the USSR they knew how to make only galoshes, and he inherited such an economy from the Soviet Union ..
        I will quote the words of the person whom I knew when he was then head of the Estonian CAA.
        In 1990, our Civil Aviation had 16 thousand aircraft. Of these, not a single Western one, ”said the expert. - We were the first in the world to fly on supersonic passenger aircraft. Our aircraft manufacturers annually produced several types of new aircraft, which were delivered to 40 countries. By 1990, we transported 140 million passengers each year, the Americans - about 200 million, since they have a larger population. Last year, we transported 2019 million. That is, over the past 128 years we have not even managed to reach the level of 30. And the Americans transported 1990 million people last year. China, which was far from us in 850, transported 1990 million passengers last year. In 600, our country became a member of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), which today consists of 1970 countries. At the accession ceremony, the head of ICAO then noted: “Of course, we unanimously voted for the USSR to join ICAO because it has 120% of the world's traffic.”
        “Today,” said Oleg Smirnov, “we carry 1% of passenger traffic.” That's what we were and what we became.
        1. Svarog 24 March 2020 08: 43 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          I will quote the words of the person whom I knew when he was then head of the Estonian CAA.

          Of course, your acquaintance is right .. only a deaf, blind or dim-witted one does not see this. For 30 years they did not manage to create anything at all .. but much to water the sewage of the USSR ...
          1. tihonmarine 24 March 2020 09: 24 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            Of course, your acquaintance is right .. only a deaf, blind or dim-witted one does not see this.

            This man himself is a military and civilian pilot, then he was the deputy minister of the Civil Air Fleet, you can trust him.
        2. Loess 24 March 2020 09: 05 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          By 1990, we transported 140 million passengers each year, the Americans - about 200 million, since they have a larger population.

          According to the census, the population as of January 12, 1989 was 286,7 million people.

          The twenty-first census in the United States was conducted in 1990 and revealed a population growth of 9,8%, from 226 545 805 people in 1980 to 248 709 873

          This is statistics.
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Last year, we transported 2019 million. That is, over the past 128 years we have not even managed to reach the level of 30.

          As of January 1, 2019, the population in Russia was 146 510 064 people

          And now the math. The population of the USSR in 1990 was 286 million people. Air transport 140 million people.
          The population of Russia in 2019 is 146 million people. Air transportation - 128 million people.
          Those. as a result of the collapse of the Union, the country's population was almost halved, and air transportation remained at almost the same level.
          Something is wrong with your friend’s arguments ...
          1. tihonmarine 24 March 2020 09: 51 New
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            Quote: Less
            Something is wrong with your friend’s arguments ...

            Logic of course you have iron. But during the Soviet era, leyals were mainly on domestic routes, and now every Nyura from Uryupinsk should visit Rome and Paris. The point is not in the number of passengers, but in aviation. In addition, we cultivated one hundred million hectares of agricultural land with agricultural aircraft. In the 90th year, we had 13 thousand aircraft. They blocked all our routes both domestically and abroad. And they were all made in the USSR. Russia has nowhere to go. She is doomed to be a great aviation power. Only political will is needed. Without powerful civil aviation, Russia will not be Russia. Either we will create our own aviation, or others will take this place.
            1. Loess 24 March 2020 10: 15 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              Logic of course you have iron

              This is not logic - this is mathematics.
              Quote: tihonmarine
              And they were all made in the USSR.

              If you noticed - I did not touch on this issue. Because it was so.
              Your friend has an inaccuracy, and a significant one - I pointed to it exactly.
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Russia has nowhere to go. She is doomed to be a great aviation power. Only political will is needed. Without powerful civil aviation, Russia will not be Russia. Either we will create our own aviation, or others will take this place.

              And I will not argue here, because I completely agree.
              But here is the problem of the first decade after the collapse. And the fact that many plants were suddenly "over the hill", and the fact that immediately opened the market for foreign airlines and aircraft manufacturers. It’s always easy to break. Recover is much more difficult. Especially when it is not necessary to restore a separate industry, but in general the whole country.
              1. tihonmarine 24 March 2020 11: 23 New
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                Your friend has an inaccuracy, and a significant one - I pointed to it exactly.

                This friend was still the deputy minister of the Civil Air Fleet of the USSR, and not a boy from the media.
                1. Loess 24 March 2020 11: 30 New
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                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  This friend was still the deputy minister of the Civil Air Fleet of the USSR, and not a boy from the media.

                  Nevertheless, the figures for the population are publicly available. And all the other numbers are taken from your quote. Compare their business is not long.
            2. Pete mitchell 24 March 2020 18: 32 New
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              Honestly, I did not understand the article at all: a set of slogans from the days of developed socialism. In a heated debate, I will join the optimists - the Russian Federation must fly on its own planes: either fly on its own planes, or fall out of the cage of fashion trendsetters.
              The creators of the times of the Union - a deep bow, but it's time to stop living memories - you need to work. It is difficult to restore and one cannot do without the support of the State, moreover, at every stage of commissioning, there is nothing shameful in this. Those who want SSJ advise you to remember how it was created, from the progenitor of BRJ, and in what historical period this all happened. Yes, complete localization will cost a pretty penny, but this must be done. Hopefully, when creating the ISA, these errors were taken into account and the situation with SSJ will not be repeated: of course, he will not move Airbus & Boeing in the world, but he will be able to fully service his market. And we must prepare to aggressively promote its certification - those who wish to insert sticks into the wheels are the turn.
              There is a blank sheet and a good opportunity to fill it out correctly: use the best of the legacy, attract a new one and take the Russian aviation to a new level. Strongly improve the after-sales service of aircraft: this is not the case when for Ulyanovsk Diamond parts go for months after production localization; two weeks went before localization. It's no secret that this is the Achilles heel of the SSJ.
              As a colleague correctly said
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Russia is doomed to be a great aviation power. Only political will is needed. Without powerful civil aviation, Russia will not be Russia. Either we will create our own aviation, or others will take this place.
          2. Stas157 24 March 2020 09: 56 New
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            Quote: Less
            Something is wrong in the arguments of your friend ...

            I see here, I don’t see here, but here the fish was wrapped ... Everything in the arguments is correct. The USSR occupied 20% of the passenger flow, and now, God forbid, 1%. Here is such an “evolution", more like degradation.
            1. Pete mitchell 24 March 2020 20: 52 New
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              Quote: Stas157
              such an "evolution", more like ..

              Before making such statements, carefully study how traffic is growing in Europe, for example - it will become clear in your head
          3. tatra 24 March 2020 09: 57 New
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            And this is also an indicator of the post-Soviet period. International passenger air transportation has sharply increased because "gentlemen" travel abroad several times a year, and domestic passenger air transportation has sharply decreased because the people have no money for it.
            1. Vadim237 24 March 2020 19: 19 New
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              Every year, millions of our citizens travel abroad to rest - and domestic flights have declined because all the cars appeared on them across Russia and travel.
        3. Aleksandr1971 24 March 2020 09: 28 New
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          Damn sad changes for the worse. But you can be glad that some Russians have personal airliners, but sometimes not one at a time, bought with honestly looted and stolen money am
          1. tihonmarine 24 March 2020 11: 36 New
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            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            Damn sad changes for the worse.
            As a non-aviation specialist, I want to ask why there were 59 IL-96 aircraft in Russia, of which three were dismantled, but of the 56 IL-96 that were flown around, 10 were in storage. Why, don’t they have a place in Russian aviation, or are they of poor quality. Maybe tell me, on our site there are people who are well versed in this.
        4. Fitter65 24 March 2020 12: 37 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          We were the first in the world to fly supersonic passenger aircraft.

          On the account that we were the first to fly in supersonic passenger airplanes, I can say, yes, they started, but not we, and not quite fly. We look at the facts; our Tu-144 made its first flight two months earlier than Concord, but the Tu-144S that went into operation was a completely different aircraft. Start of commercial operation of the Tu-144S, December 26, 1976. Flights were carried out by only two aircraft. In total, the Tu-144 completed 102 flights under the flag of Aeroflot, of which 55 were passenger. And comparable to Concord. Commencement of commercial operation - January 21, 1976, it turns out Concord had been carrying passengers for 11 months before the Tu-144S completed its first flight. Well, to compare the fact that over 27 million regular passengers were transported to Concordes for 3 years of scheduled and charter flights, the total flight time was 243 hours, the figure of 845 passenger flights seems to be just a statistical error. The prototype Tu-55 took off earlier and nothing more.
        5. Vadim237 24 March 2020 16: 08 New
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          We didn’t fly especially on Tu 144 - in fact, we only showed that we can make a supersonic passenger plane in 1983, and the program was stopped due to technical problems with engines, the cost of operation and the cost of the ticket, and problems with the organization of flights, 12 units were produced; the cost of the program is more than ten billion rubles per prices of the 70s. The Concord program cost about the same $ 14 billion all Concords gave to airlines for the price of one dollar apiece.
      3. Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 March 2020 08: 38 New
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        Did you watch this video yourself? The GDP in it says that nobody bought our galoshes, and you declare that he said: “that in the USSR only galoshes were able to make”, i.e. completely opposite sense, that's how fakes are born! I hope you at least apologize wink
        1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 12: 21 New
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          Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
          and you declare that he said: “that in the USSR only galoshes could do”

          Have you tried to think logically? "Nobody needed what we produced, because nobody bought our galoshes." Conclusion - we produced only galoshes. Even a child will add two plus two.
          1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 March 2020 13: 06 New
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            I just logically thought

            "Nobody needed what we produced, because nobody bought our galoshes." Conclusion - we produced only galoshes "
            Reread your thought again, this is called
            - pull the owl on the globe! Let's do it together :
            Here citizen Malyuta declares - "Vladimir Vladimirovich says that only galoshes were able to make in the USSR,"
            If you watch the video, kindly presented by Comrade Malyuta himself, then you can hear the opposite - “nobody bought our galoshes”, so we just didn’t know how to make them i.e.
            the meaning is completely different, besides Putin spoke about light industry (galoshes) with which we really didn’t have much!
            1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 13: 11 New
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              Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
              besides Putin spoke about light industry (galoshes)

              Putin spoke generally about production in the USSR, and that no one needed it. According to him, only one conclusion can be made, but here you are trying to shield your idol.
              P.S. And I don’t put any minuses at all, but if this makes it easier for you, continue to “sculpt” me. laughing
              1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 March 2020 16: 22 New
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                About minus, it's not me! And Putin said that it was logical about the industries that we really lagged behind, and he was not an idol to me!
                1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 16: 33 New
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                  Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                  About minus, it's not me!

                  Forgot.
                  Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                  And Putin said that it’s logical, about those industries that we really lagged behind,
                  Ivan, let's be honest and review the video. "All that we produced, yes, yes, that we produced, nobody needed, and nobody bought our galoshes except the Africans. "There can only be one conclusion. In addition, being at the helm for 20 years, he continues to shoulder responsibility for the collapse of production in the USSR. And I called him your idol because, contrary to the laws of logic, you protect him. request
          2. tihonmarine 24 March 2020 13: 18 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Nobody needed what we produced, because nobody bought our galoshes.

            Naturally, and who needed "rubber" in the Sahara and in the EU, but in our village it was the main shoe all year round, and most importantly it was cheap, but now you can’t find it in the "day with fire", you can buy Made in EC but the prices bite, just like the Chinese slippers, they vilified and torn for a month, but they are worth it! What we ourselves cannot release this already? And we nod to the USSR.
            1. Ingvar 72 24 March 2020 13: 20 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              And we nod to the USSR.

              We do not nod, this "head" of the state is trying to exaggerate its "achievements" by outrunning the Union.
            2. Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 March 2020 16: 24 New
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              In general, rubber boots and galoshes are without any problems at all, in Krasnoyarsk!
      4. Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 March 2020 09: 38 New
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        laughing I’ve also been given a minus, very masculine good
    2. TAMBU 24 March 2020 09: 31 New
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      and also Progress ...)
  2. rocket757 24 March 2020 07: 47 New
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    It seemed that our country would forever be doomed to fly exclusively on Boeings and Airbases, burying its own great aviation past, along with the handsome Ilami and Tupolevs, which were thrown into scrap metal. Nevertheless, in recent years the situation, albeit not quick, but began to change for the better.

    Key FAST !!! of course, it’s not from rabbits to take an example ... but from whom then?
    1. Svarog 24 March 2020 08: 45 New
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      Quote: rocket757

      Key FAST !!! of course, it’s not from rabbits to take an example ... but from whom then?

      Somehow it’s completely leisurely .. for 30 years then .. but there’s no time for buildup ..
      1. rocket757 24 March 2020 08: 56 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Somehow it’s completely leisurely .. for 30 years then .. but there’s no time for buildup ..

        how is it that "our" former Minister of Defense spoke, reasoned ... we must buy everything behind the hill!?!?!? yeah, sold, caught up again and sold again!
        misunderstood these goats from far-off minds as early as childhood, although I would come w radically I had to act with them in my youth, Schaub did not breed and did not .......
        1. Alexey RA 24 March 2020 14: 41 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          how is it that "our" former Minister of Defense spoke, reasoned ... we must buy everything behind the hill!?!?!?

          No. The former minister argued that if our industry does not want to produce what the army needs, and instead, with tenacity worthy of a better application, tries to drag in the development armies of the times of the USSR, which are a couple of generations behind, then we will have to buy over the hill and show our defense industry that specifically wants the army. Because our military-industrial complex for 90 years is used to communicate with the army in the style of "take it, there’s no other way, where are you going to get away from us".
          You recall that our military-industrial complex passed off as a "tactical UAV" in 2008? "Fitch" on four KAMAZ trucks with a line camera and a radius of 40 km. And with a sniper rifle (not a DMR, namely a sniper rifle), he was considered either an SVD or a bolt-gun at the price of two AI AWs.
          Or you can recall how UVZ raised the price of the T-90 by 70% over the year - and why, the army’s budget was increased, it’s necessary to master it.
          1. rocket757 24 March 2020 20: 58 New
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            Shaw was, it was! And the lag in the performance characteristics, and arrogant price increases, without any improvement in the parameters. Not born yesterday, we understand our realities.
            But, they couldn’t sell our commerce anything anywhere, with a clear, tough policy from the very top! A stick always has two ends .... the top one should not give this stick to someone and sip the most negligent on time .... now you have to do this and do it, only time and resources have been spent a lot and in vain.
  3. avia12005 24 March 2020 07: 58 New
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    Baseless optimism. The regional aircraft did not go into the series to replace the An-2. And, I think, under the Minister Manturov and the chairman of the board of directors of the UAC, Serdyukov will never go. MS-21 is waiting for the composite wing and engines. The program to resume production of the An-124 was covered with a copper basin. The IL-112 B production was covered with the same product. You can continue indefinitely. And the RFP drips millions of rubles into the pockets of the managers.
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 March 2020 08: 43 New
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      Proofs can bring your statements, it’s good that it’s not 37 years old, then you didn’t babble with alarmists hi
      1. avia12005 24 March 2020 09: 30 New
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        All my life in aviation, I know what I say. And in the 37th year, you certainly don’t need to scare me, it’s better to tell both Serdyukov and Manturov.
        1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 March 2020 09: 35 New
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          T. Ye. There will be no evidence, gentlemen should take a word? I understand you!
          1. avia12005 24 March 2020 09: 52 New
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            Where do you have evidence of the heyday of the release of aircraft for GA? Read the promises over the past 10 years, and will you be satisfied? There are promises, there have been no serial aircraft either or not.
            1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 March 2020 11: 47 New
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              Did I say somewhere about prosperity?

              https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/131031/

              https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/130405/

              https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/129885/

              https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/126796/
              1. avia12005 24 March 2020 11: 54 New
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                Do you understand the difference between serial production and piece copies?
                1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 March 2020 12: 22 New
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                  IL 114 went into the series, the MC-21 is preparing for it, the superjet has long been in the series!
                  1. avia12005 24 March 2020 14: 00 New
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                    Are you tired of the Superjet? And how many IL-114s were released, but “getting ready,” does not mean “being released”
                    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 March 2020 16: 32 New
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                      Why should I get tired? Is he not in the series? The assembly of the first serial sludge - 114 has begun, of course, "getting ready" does not mean that it is being produced, so I wrote it that way!
    2. Pavel57 24 March 2020 08: 45 New
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      Baseless pessimism is no better. Restoring the industry is even more difficult. But there are positive examples. IL-76. IL-114 will bring to a series of doubts no. MS-21 too. Experience can also be drawn from the Superjet, and move towards localized modification. Not everything is so bad. The main thing is to rely on yourself, not on Boeing.
      1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 March 2020 11: 51 New
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        Well, you, baseless pessimism is now in fashion in hi
        1. Pavel57 24 March 2020 21: 11 New
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          Well, if pessimism, not malice. Pessimism is overcome by results.
    3. EvilLion 24 March 2020 09: 13 New
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      Because what for, this AN-2 replacement is not needed by anyone. In the places where people live, normal roads have long been laid, where people left, well, you don’t need to fly there. Who really needs to fly and ride in bearish angles at work, so they have helicopters with all-terrain vehicles. At distances of 300 kilometers, the plane does not make sense at all, it is easier to get there by road.

      An-124s, even available ones, are mainly costed, because it is cheaper to carry goods by rail. On a civilian, single-cargo requiring such aircraft is rare, and one Volga-Dnepr serves the whole world.

      And so let's build another 200 pieces of these monsters and we will admire them.
      1. avia12005 24 March 2020 09: 31 New
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        Have you heard something about the cost of 1 hour flight ??? Mi-8 and An-2?
        1. EvilLion 24 March 2020 09: 41 New
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          The point in this case is not the cost of the hour, which, according to the definition above, is a helicopter, the fact is that you simply can’t put even the An-2 into a real bear angle. The helicopter has enough area, a small cut in the forest, and it will not roll over during the take-off run, if there is any figovina on an unpaved runway, it is less afraid of birds, headaches of all airports. An-2 is a car for albeit small, but airfields. Do not forget that in addition to the take-off run margin, he still needs an open space hundreds of meters in front of the runway, where he will not hook anything when climbing or landing.
          1. avia12005 24 March 2020 09: 49 New
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            What is the run-length of the An-2? And what is his landing speed? And the flight range of the Mi-8 and An-2? Specific fuel consumption?
            1. EvilLion 24 March 2020 10: 01 New
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              I don’t know, I think about 50-60 km / h, but the take-off is always more. Well, now think that on the takeoff you will only come off the ground, there should still be enough strip in front of you at that moment so that you can stop in case of anything. After separation, you continue to move, with acceleration, and now you need to gain height so as not to crash into such a typical object of the Russian landscape as a tree, which can be 20-30 meters in height. How many seconds does the An-2 take for this? And at what speed does he move? If 10 seconds, and the average speed, taking into account the acceleration, which after the separation of the chassis will go more vigorously, will be 25 m / s, then at 250 m after the separation point the strip should be cleared.

              If you do not have a natural field, then forget about the plane.
              1. avia12005 24 March 2020 11: 11 New
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                The An-2 has a maximum flight speed of 180 km / h, a take-off run of 310 meters, a separation speed of 80 km / h, and a run length of 210 meters. He needs a fucking runway in length ??? Such sites beyond the Urals can not be counted, and he sits on the ground the only way. And in the presence of floats on the water, and skiing too. The cost of a 1 hour flight with the An-2 is three to four times less than that of the Mi-8. And to prepare a pilot for it is much simpler and easier than for a helicopter.
                1. EvilLion 24 March 2020 12: 02 New
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                  Such sites cannot be counted near settlements, often these are just fields where everything is aligned. And what should geologists do in the taiga? Hack and uproot a strip? In wild places, finding such sites can be difficult.
                  1. avia12005 24 March 2020 12: 13 New
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                    Each cricket must know its sixth. For geologists, the remote taiga, of course, is a helicopter. And for the Siberian, Transbaikal and Far Eastern villages, where in winter the road is only on the winter road - these are airplanes. here, some of them wrote in general above that we now have roads to all the settlements. Yes, only inside the Moscow Ring Road
                    1. EvilLion 24 March 2020 12: 33 New
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                      Since then, these villages have become several times smaller and some old people live there, about which the children have forgotten. If there is some kind of production in the village, and people have something to do there, then they will make the way there. Now it’s not the 70s, when there were still a lot of living villages, and the population had few cars. It is strange that people think in categories of 40-50 years ago, when the An-2 could be instead of a bus. At the same time, transport in the USSR was planned unprofitable. Now such a country can only afford in large cities, and nobody will subsidize a few flights somewhere there. At the same time, the An-2 is not PAZ at a price, and the pilot for it is not Uncle Petya, who somehow got a cut. D. Everyone considers profitability. If the transportation were profitable, then they would have been organized for a long time, the planes cost an old penny, and you can buy abroad.
                      1. avia12005 24 March 2020 14: 03 New
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                        Interesting you think. If there is no production, then people die. It somehow smacks of Chubaisism. Have you ever been to the Urals? It is full of villages of 500-1000 or more people. And there are no normal roads from the word at all. Where do you live?
                      2. EvilLion 24 March 2020 15: 57 New
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                        What is interesting? People, if they have nothing there because the An-2 will fly to them (in fact, no one will be) there is no benefit, either they must be taken out of there, or the n / a itself should be developed.

                        Well, of course, in the absence of normal roads, an airfield will appear on its own. Who will build it there?

                        Understand, An-2, this is not a plane for the deaf, it is a plane for suburban areas and small towns, where for it there will be at least some kind of an airfield with all services (fuel depots, dispatcher, maintenance). Pave the road and it will be perfectly replaced by a bus and personal transport, which is now many times more than in the USSR.
                      3. avia12005 24 March 2020 16: 32 New
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                        Build roads in thousands and thousands of kilometers? While you are building, people will die out from such care. Have you been to Transbaikalia? There, from one village to another, and 300 kilometers is not the greatest distance. It can be seen that you rarely get out of the MKAD.
                      4. seacap 24 March 2020 19: 15 New
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                        I’m looking at you and wondering if there’s a dispute about anything, a helicopter-plane, but what difference does it make, they both need an airfield with flight managers and controllers, hangars and a power supply, maintenance and fuel, technical and flight personnel, infrastructure, although this is small, but aviation. This is not even the case, a living example is not far, take a look through the strait, Alaska and Canada, how and where roads are built there, and where exceptionally small aircraft are vital, there’s nothing to argue, everything has already been invented for us.
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                        You are far from aviation. For the An-2, only a ground-based radio station with a leader is needed, and helicopters generally land on unprepared sites this regular situation. Take a look on this side of the Bering Strait, how many regions like Alaska are by area in the Russian Federation ??? You will build asphalt with us for millennia.
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    Then it is better to create a high-speed passenger helicopter instead of An 2.
    1. seacap 24 March 2020 19: 21 New
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      This is not always practical, these types of aircraft are cheaper and easier to operate, require a different level of personnel qualification, cost-effective, and it’s not in vain that neighbors (Canada, Alaska, etc.) still operate piston machines and with another 40-50 TVDs years.
  • Aleksandr1971 24 March 2020 09: 34 New
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    An-124, IL-76, IL-114, MS-21 will be bought either by the Moscow Region or the Ministry of Emergencies, or some other state or semi-state ITO office "from under the stick."
    Regular airlines will not experiment and buy imports, incl. on lease. And domestic products will be bought only after they are convinced that state operators have no problems with these products, either in terms of economy, safety, or maintenance. But this will happen only after a few years of observing the experience of others. So these few years the state will have to sponsor its aircraft manufacturers. Otherwise, the Russian civil aviation industry will crash.
    1. EvilLion 24 March 2020 09: 43 New
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      MS-21 has already been contracted, learn the materiel. IL-76 is the default transporter. There are not many imported analogues here, although often they carry goods, as extra. load passenger flights.
      1. Aleksandr1971 24 March 2020 10: 08 New
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        There are orders for approximately 150 units of MS-21. These are the first swallows. And this is good. If everything is in order with them, then other customers will be drawn.
  • military_cat 24 March 2020 09: 33 New
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    Quote: avia12005
    The same product covered the production of IL-112 V.

    Do you remember VITALY pictures?
    1. EvilLion 24 March 2020 09: 44 New
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      Well, in this F-35 succeeded by bending European military aircraft.
  • Kot_Kuzya 24 March 2020 07: 59 New
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    Soviet aircraft were the best in the world, the most reliable with a huge margin of safety. To this day, old people like An-24 age 40 years old fly in the country. There is simply nothing to replace them with; their Canadian counterparts, Bombardier, cannot land on unpaved strips in remote rural airfields.
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      When the lane was shifted in Dnepropetrovsk in 1987, they sat quietly next to the An-24 parallel primer ...
    2. EvilLion 24 March 2020 09: 06 New
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      Probably because there where airplanes fly, in the world airfields are first built.
    3. Aleksandr1971 24 March 2020 09: 38 New
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      I agree. But domestic aircraft of older models have higher operating costs. Higher noise pollution.
      In addition, soil strips are no longer relevant in our country and in the West. The fact is that the villagers do not have money for flights. They barely have enough for vodka. A flight of the air force, or the Ministry of Emergencies, or other rare cases do not create enough demand for air travel to the countryside to build new types of domestic aircraft for this demand.
  • Cowbra 24 March 2020 08: 05 New
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    With the aircraft industry, the problem is now about the same as with the merchant fleet of Ukraine. If my memory serves me right, at the time of the collapse of the Union, the Lohlov merchant fleet was the largest in the world. But the union has broken up and what will the Lochs carry? Yupi Zuko and Monterrey Coffee?
    Well, now look at the merchant fleet of Ukraine, and at the service staff. Ahovmash where, for example? And the president of Kholopiya, Vyproshenko, Proudly launches the garbage boat.
    1. tihonmarine 24 March 2020 08: 50 New
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      Quote: Cowbra
      If my memory serves me right, at the time of the collapse of the Union, the Lohlov merchant fleet was the largest in the world.

      As of 1991, 234 freight, passenger, and other classes of ships of the Navy included a total deadweight of 4167 thousand tons. As of January 1998, 15 pennants remained. As of today, the Navy fleet has decreased to one pennant.
  • Sayan 24 March 2020 08: 05 New
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    Ruslan and Mriya pride is not Ukrainian aircraft manufacturing, but SOVIET !!!! And A. Uglanov (editor of "Arguments of the Week") together with M.O. Tolboev repeatedly wrote and discussed on our prospects, problems of ours and who is to blame specifically, on his YouTube channel (Around the Corner). I won’t spread it out - whoever wants to
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 March 2020 08: 45 New
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      Well, about the Uglanov superjet and, unfortunately, Tolboev carried decent nonsense!
  • Amateur 24 March 2020 08: 07 New
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    It is completely redesigned for the production of freight rail cars.

    And in one of the territories they cook excellent local Carlsberg "Sarbast"
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  • Old partisan 24 March 2020 08: 19 New
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    But didn’t the civilian aircraft industry die? Didn’t the power holding him finish him off with a shot in the head?
    What to talk about?
    Glory to the Almighty that military aircraft flies in the domestic. And then the partners would help.
  • Octopus 24 March 2020 08: 24 New
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    The author at the end twisted.
    every second aircraft, then located in the airspace of the planet!

    This has never happened before. Even if the MiG-15 count.
    Every year, the country exported seven to eight dozen aircraft, more than a hundred helicopters

    Almost exclusively to the CMEA countries.
    but also by its quality, by the most advanced level of scientific and technical developments

    Export is its quality.
    One of the best evidence is the fact that the first supersonic passenger plane to fly into the sky at the end of 1968 was our Tu-144.

    It has still not been established for what purpose the Tu-144 was created. Regional supersonic aircraft.
    Soviet aviation early entered the era of insanity.

    This era ended, along with Soviet aviation, the sick freak IL-96.
    The latter, nevertheless, is very actively opposed by curators of the "non-down" from Washington

    And this, excuse me, how did it get here?
  • ZaharoFF 24 March 2020 08: 40 New
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    The “swan song” of Ukrainian aircraft construction was the creation of such wonderful machines ..

    There was no Ukrainian aircraft construction and no. It was Soviet until it was stolen.
  • tihonmarine 24 March 2020 08: 53 New
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    And one must not forget that the training of pilots and other specialists for the Civil Air Fleet was the most advanced in the world. In the 80s. the training of aviation personnel was carried out by the Academy of Civil Aviation, the Ulyanovsk School of Higher Flight Training, two higher flight schools, three institutes of civil aviation engineers, 18 flight and technical schools. Also, cadres with higher education in civil aviation were supplied by seven universities of the Minaviaprom and the USSR Ministry of Higher Education. Aviation personnel received additional education in 30 training units (UTO).
  • Mikhail3 24 March 2020 09: 00 New
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    Rapid deindustrialization, the destruction of not only the production, but also the scientific, design, testing facilities, the rapid outflow of competent and trained specialists from the industry, and the almost complete cessation of training worthy personnel capable of replacing them ...
    Yes Yes. True, the main reason that we don’t build civilian aircraft (it’s ridiculous to take Superjet as such, of course) is simply because the American and European aviation giants paid some Russian officials for the collapse of the industry, and separately for the fact that large-capacity passenger aircraft no longer built.
    Our officials, organically, in principle, are not able to build and create something, but to destroy it ... The aviation industry, possessing an enormous margin of safety, did not give up for a long time, but it was still broken. So we have no and are not expected to have any civil aircraft industry.
    1. EvilLion 24 March 2020 09: 21 New
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      2000th year release of 0 aircraft.
      2020th year. We build ten 3 a year, introduce a new model. Don't like SSJ? Well, these are your problems, from this he will not cease to be a Russian development.

      But you will yell that everything is ruined, even if Russia is a monopolist in the airliner market.
      1. Mikhail3 24 March 2020 09: 46 New
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        What's the difference, do I like the Superjet? They do not buy it. Even when the Boeing collapsed, orders did not appear. He "does not like" the market, because it is carefully done so. That there was no sales. I will not yell. I'm not yelling at all. Will there be passenger liners? It would be great. Only Boeing will not let the aircraft engineers, who plow him right in Moscow. Oh ...
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          You're wonderful, Boeing doesn’t have a single model in the same class as SSJ. Go learn the materiel.
          1. Mikhail3 24 March 2020 11: 55 New
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            Of course, the teacher is a materiel) The fact is that such aircraft as the Superjet are not in demand in the market at all, having a stunningly narrow niche of application. All the same, that abandon the production of cars, and do replicating the steam cart Kyuno for the needs of collectors. Three carts per ten years. It's nice to talk with a wise and polite person ...
            1. EvilLion 24 March 2020 12: 04 New
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              And no one spoke about the thousands of cars needed. Nobody would immediately let us into the most delicious classes, it’s the MS-21 now crawling in there, and Americans and people like you spoil the petty things.
              1. Mikhail3 24 March 2020 12: 08 New
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                Nobody lets anyone in anywhere. And to wait, that they let you in, it’s kind of softer ... you must have a terribly little mind. That is, no at all. It is necessary to make a quality product, ensure it has priority in its market, and then develop pressure on external ones. ABC.
                Or you can do nothing, kill the production facilities, send the designers to Boeing so that they can do the Dreamliner for him, and do the digestion of bribes and saliva on the topic - "we won’t let us go anywhere!" What to let us with? Well there is no product! Voluntarily destroy your own industry ... Fiction, tree-stick!
                1. EvilLion 24 March 2020 12: 46 New
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                  Do you work well yourself? Something tells me that in the OKB them. Dry in the design of aircraft understand better than you. As for the priority in its market, how do you think, who first of all orders SSJ and MS-21? Is it the state Aeroflot? And it was necessary to think about markets when the Union was being broken that our products would not be uncompetitive. Suddenly, it turned out, specifically I’ll show with my finger that Tu brand airplanes turned out to be of no use to anyone, like Il. The military needed “drying”, now Sukhoi also makes civilian vehicles, and the remnants of the Tupoev Design Bureau, if they still exist, have long been dismantled.

                  Now, be so kind as to play by the rules. You will introduce import restrictions, restrictions will be introduced against you. Opportunities for protectionism and lobbying in a more or less free market are limited.

                  But for some reason you run into SSJ, although unlike those who were immediately blown away in the 90s, it is Sukhoi who fights with the battle that Tu, Il and others merged, and they even merged not in the 90s, but in 20 years until when they decided that in the conditions of Soviet protectionism one can not strain. In the 90s, they already came that way. AvtoVAZ from the world of aviation.
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          Even when the Boeing crashed

          SSJ is not an analogue of Boeing. This is an analog Embraer RJ Airbus 220 killed them all.
      2. tatra 24 March 2020 10: 04 New
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        Yes, compared to the Soviet period, EVERYTHING collapsed. And at the same time, those who collapsed also have the audacity 30 years after they seized the USSR to come up with manic criticism of how the Soviet Communists and their supporters worked, 30 years cowardly whined "and we have nothing to do with it, this was still in the USSR we’re dissecting, "make the highest demands on the Soviet Communists, such as that they instantly had to end the centuries-old problem of hunger in Russia, instantly, and without loss, defeat a united Europe led by Hitler, who attacked the USSR, instantly provide the entire Soviet people with separate free apartments, high salaries and pensions.
        1. Vadim237 24 March 2020 16: 54 New
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          USSR nefig was to inflate the defense industry year after year laying on civilian products simply the guys lived in the spirit of the second world the more troops and weapons the better they riveted hundreds of thousands of tanks and forty thousand nuclear charges the leadership thought that this would go on forever about tomorrow no one thought - communism and socialism, after all, guaranteed its absolute confidence for people, but tomorrow came in the 80s and it turned out that no one was ready for it the economy collapsed as the country began to run out of money due to an arms race supporting half the world in favor of the poor of the Afghan war of Chernobyl and everything else . And in the 90s, it turned out that no one needed Soviet civilian products; importing them easily killed almost all of them. Tales that you don’t need to think about tomorrow and the state will ruin everything for the Soviet people have completely disappeared, though this process was very painful.
          1. tatra 24 March 2020 16: 56 New
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            The classic, cowardly response of the enemies of the Communists to all IM accusations, they rush to anger against the Communists and their supporters, because they understand that they are NOT capable of refuting the accusations against them.
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              And you have a classic slurry instead of a reasoned answer - with your mantra about the enemies of communism, tie and answer normally.
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                Stop cowardly twisting. I have long understood what your “work” is. I wrote a comment about you, the enemies of the Communists, and you could not refute my words in any way, you only rushed to anger against the Communists. All the best, I will no longer respond to the answers of someone who writes for money.
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                  Do you have evidence that I write for money? If not, then there is nothing to sound, then what Nichrome do not know.
  • Stirbjorn 24 March 2020 09: 00 New
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    So Russia, where civilian aircraft production still continues quite stably, is more than three dozen more cars a year
    in 2014 and 2017 if only, at the expense of the SGS. And so up to 3 dozens do not reach civilians, for the entire industry
  • EvilLion 24 March 2020 09: 04 New
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    From the assembly shops of Soviet aircraft plants there were as many planes as they were produced by all the other countries of the world combined.


    That is, the whole world put together did not produce a couple of hundred aircraft per year? I don’t know where such nonsense is taken, but if you throw away small things like An-2, then the most massive airliner in the history of the Boeing-737 is built in the amount of almost 10600 copies. The A320 with 9400 copies can become a competitor, but it appeared in the late 80s. However, this is an indicator of the demand for airliners in the world in recent years 30.

    Of the largest aircraft in the USSR, the most massive Tu-154 and Il-76, numbering about 1000. For a transporter, this is a fig and more. Competitors, for example, have a B-757 of 1050 copies from 1981 to 2004, and before it is a B-727 of 1832 copies. for the period 1962-1984

    An-26 - 1403 copies. An-24 - 1367. An-12 - 1248

    Then the Tu-134 with 854 copies. The machine is just about the same age as the B-737

    As for previous models, the Tu-124 is only 165, and the Tu-104 is 201 copies.

    IL-18 more than 800 copies. The first cars began to be decommissioned at the age of 15.

    IL-62 - 289. The B-747, which appeared a little later, is now approaching 1600 copies.

    IL-86 - 106 units. At the same time, the machine entered service in late 1980. Until the end of the Union another decade. Well, the same wiki writes:

    The period of passenger transportation of IL-86 was relatively short-lived. Due to the extreme inefficiency and noise of the NK-86 engines, the mass decommissioning and decommissioning of this type of airliners began already in the early 2000s. The reason was, in particular, the noise restrictions introduced in the EU, which prevented the IL-86 from flying to most airports in Europe.


    Yak-42 of the same age as IL-86 183 cars. SSJ has already overtaken him.

    Tu-204 went in the 90th year and has not had time.

    Of course, I wildly apologize, but it somehow does not look like the whole world was stuck in a belt. And the most popular aircraft are screw machines developed in the 50s. By the 80s, a generation gap had already formed, which was manifested in the failure of the IL-86, the complete failure of the Tu-334 and the airline’s readiness to buy watermelons instead of “carcasses” as soon as they were allowed to do this. In principle, the USSR itself should have had enough of these planes, delivered some more to all kinds of Poland and Africa, but hardly in the world outside of social services. countries they generally noticed.
    1. Zaurbek 24 March 2020 11: 37 New
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      A good and intelligible video about Tu204:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKVN0TlJDx4
  • nikvic46 24 March 2020 09: 10 New
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    Soviet aircraft construction began with small aircraft. It was such aircraft that served to train future pilots at DOSAAF. Then the task became more complicated for them. And they began to fly on jet aircraft. In each region there were several civilian airports. In every city there were at least small factories producing spare parts for the repair of civilian helicopters. For each type of aircraft, the deadline for those. services. In our city there was an aircraft factory and several engine-building plants. Instead of building factories, houses are being built. Although there are no decreases in those who wish to relocate.
  • Zaurbek 24 March 2020 10: 04 New
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    The main hope for the MC21 .... is 80% of the transportation in our country. And this will then give development to other aircraft ... because. there will be serial production of components, turbojet engines ... and the task is completely solvable.
    1. L-39NG 24 March 2020 10: 59 New
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      This is not hope, but sweet dreams. In order for Russian companies to buy the MC21, a presidential order must ban the purchase of European and American (I mean Canada and Brazil) airplanes. Although the Chinese COMAC C919 is already flying on the horizon. The Chinese, however, have problems with acquiring Western engines, but they still do not know how to do their own at the right level. And they are not the only ones.
      1. Zaurbek 24 March 2020 11: 35 New
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        No ... everything is simpler. Equalize in taxes. Western equipment comes to us without VAT (20%) and under Western leasing programs at a low% ..... And since the bulk will go with Western turbojet engines, we must save these benefits for important components. Such as turbojet engines. The COMAC C919 has more problems, the supply of the only US-made turbojet engine is threatened there.
        1. Octopus 24 March 2020 13: 42 New
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          Ms-21 also uses a PV engine. He is now essentially the only one for aircraft of this size. So there’s nothing much to catch.
          1. Zaurbek 24 March 2020 14: 14 New
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            The Chinese are using a rival PV and they are not even in the draft of their PD14 ... therefore, the Americans are hitting weaknesses. And China has a domestic market wow!
            1. Octopus 24 March 2020 14: 52 New
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              PD-14 - an analogue of PW? Well, OK.
              1. Zaurbek 24 March 2020 14: 54 New
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                By draft and readiness for production ..... and the rest will show the operation. And his purchases.
      2. EvilLion 24 March 2020 12: 49 New
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        After that, in other countries, decrees will prohibit the acquisition of MS-21. And if the MS-21 is really better than competitors, then it is unprofitable for him. In a more or less free market, someone can be squeezed, but in conditions of mutual isolation there are no chances.
        1. Zaurbek 24 March 2020 14: 16 New
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          God forbid we take our market ..... this is a good piece.
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    And there were problems in the Soviet aviation industry (squabble of design bureaus for production involving a party and economic "roof", lack of real contests for the most optimal model in the corresponding class, a number of very mediocre aircraft models, engines that are problematic for international certification ...), but the current one is critical dependence on foreign components and the constant delay of testing and putting into production at least a little suitable aircraft and engines in general does not go into any gates
    1. Zaurbek 24 March 2020 11: 41 New
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      The Soviet approach to aviation, airports, dimensions was one, and in the West another ..... based on such approaches (and technical capabilities) aircraft were built. Now the Russian Federation has completely switched to the Western standard. And the planes must be done according to these standards. Completely close the market, as in the USSR does not work.
    2. Octopus 24 March 2020 13: 59 New
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      Quote: AAK
      in the slightest degree suitable aircraft and engines do not climb into any gates at all

      Actually, 3,5 companies produce engines in the modern world (3 themselves, several more as part of alliances). Moreover, all three are partially monopolists in their dimension. (PV up to 10 tons (regionals), PV competes with CFM (Sneckma-GE alliance) in a thrust of 10-15 tons (Boeing 737, A320), GE competes with RR in a thrust of 30-40 tons (widebody, RR overweight), only GE thrust more than 40 tons (777).
  • 16112014nk 24 March 2020 11: 29 New
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    As long as there are such ministers in the Russian Federation as Manturov, who put an end to IL-96, there will be no development of the aircraft industry.
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      cross on IL-96,

      The cross on the IL-96 was put before his birth. Four-engine aircraft is everything.
      1. Zaurbek 24 March 2020 14: 57 New
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        Firstly, the lack of necessary turbojet engines in the second and for the Russian Federation is not the most important type (in quantity) of the third ....
  • NordUral 24 March 2020 11: 45 New
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    You are an optimist, author. They underestimated annual production in the USSR and drew rainbow today.
    1. EvilLion 24 March 2020 12: 53 New
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      What did he understate? He claimed that they built more of the world, and I have shown above that this is to say the least, and the share of the USSR was small in world production. With the same success, one can talk about the great and terrible KAMAZ, which is often a household word with us, but perhaps a strange miracle abroad, which for some reason constantly wins the rally.
      1. NordUral 24 March 2020 15: 49 New
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        Our country in this industry could give a hundred points ahead to any Western competitors - and not only in terms of the number of products manufactured (to hundreds passenger liners and cargo aircraft per year),

        This is what boldly challenged.
        1. Vadim237 24 March 2020 19: 30 New
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          No, it could not, since Western companies earned money on the production and sale of aircraft, and the USSR acted in favor of the poor.
          1. NordUral 24 March 2020 19: 40 New
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            Yes, Vadim, there is a homespun truth. Our buns are gone in vain. But this did not make our aircraft industry worse in the USSR. And not in vain it was so thoroughly cleaned by our traitors at the request of the "partner".
            1. EvilLion 25 March 2020 08: 24 New
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              I wonder why no one has cleared the same Su-27? Maybe because no one specially cleared anything, and everything that died died precisely because of the inability to withstand competition?
              1. NordUral 25 March 2020 11: 53 New
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                Even these understood that it was impossible to be completely defenseless.
        2. EvilLion 25 March 2020 08: 23 New
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          Well, if each An-24 is considered a liner. Just for reference, the same S-130s at the end of 2019, 2600 units were built.
          1. NordUral 25 March 2020 11: 55 New
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            That's right, they knocked out a competitor and are building. Although I would give tables with a breakdown, but I found one only by An.
  • Conell f 24 March 2020 11: 45 New
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    The ancestors created the descendants, but everything went ... by ... am !!!
  • Fitter65 24 March 2020 11: 59 New
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    There was not a single foreign-made winged aircraft on the country's airways,
    Czechoslovak L-410 ...
    1. L-39NG 24 March 2020 14: 32 New
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      Let L-410 Turbolet. Actually, it’s not quite Czechoslovak, the Slovaks brothers have to create an airplane ... well, they lived in one state. And we Slovaks indeed and love and respect. Well, the engines and propellers are the west, the ears (headphones and microphones) are the west. In Russia, they began to screwdriverly collect. I don’t envy, it’s just interesting ... they don’t do anything, but they get the money. My pension is many times greater than the salary of the apparatus in Moscow, but I worked and work. I create a product. Just wondering what they get for?
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        Quote: L-39NG
        Actually, it’s not quite Czechoslovak, the Slovaks brothers have to create an airplane ... well, they lived in one state.

        To begin with, the aircraft began to be produced in Czechoslovakia, that is, outside the USSR. And how much and what the Czechs did there, how many Slovaks are another question. That is, in Soviet times, foreign aircraft still flew on internal lines in the Union.
  • L-39NG 24 March 2020 14: 13 New
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    Comrades, in our opinion Soudružky a soudruzi, ladies and gentlemen, Sirs and Seruni, esquires, when I wrote about the presidential ban, I understood that the president cannot make absolute bans, whether you like it or not, there are international relations, even unofficial ones, which violate yourself more. It is necessary to create engines. I still can’t think of how it is that RUSSIA does not know how for civilians. There will be Engines, there will be technologies, there will be sales - there will be Russia. Do not live alone in oil
    1. EvilLion 25 March 2020 08: 31 New
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      And who cares in the USSR? The Tu-154 flew very powerfully, while at the same time it ate almost free for everyone, except for those who produced it, kerosene did not bother anyone, neither the designers nor Aeroflot. Just because if an organization has not set a goal to make a profit, then it will not give a damn about economic efficiency. Yesterday, by chance, a video of the 1986 “Steam engine for the driver” was caught on the u-tube, that’s how it will be, because the enterprises are not for producing something or providing services, but for employees to receive salaries and apartments. Therefore, the USSR fell apart.
  • seacap 24 March 2020 15: 34 New
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    A couple of “effective managers” can be used to close the topic altogether, otherwise Taburetkin cannot do it alone without his “defeated female battalion”. The aluminum industry was almost "mastered" by our "partners", now the space rocket has remained in line, and here the native children of "Oxford and Yale" are on their way, they are beating their hooves in line, we also need to attach our relatives to the feeder. Over the 30 years of the era of “effective managers”, entire industries, engineering and technical staff have been destroyed, even the already ready backlogs of Soviet engineers have not been able to master, even the corncrackers haven’t been brought to mind, they haven’t created a single aircraft engine into space on royal missiles. It’s right, where can we get the royal and kurchat, blunt and yakovlevy, if after successful “reforms” the education system without upbringing has been stamping several generations of “advanced consumers” without honor and conscience, when those in power who betrayed and killed the state are all they continue to sleep softly and eat sweetly.
    1. Vadim237 24 March 2020 17: 02 New
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      Do not bother to list destroyed industries? PD 14 and the created PD 35 as well as an electric engine for aircraft being prepared for testing - why aren't you new engines?
  • Undecim 24 March 2020 15: 59 New
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    For what topic this author does not undertake, everything turns out according to the well-known proverb about the forced worship of religious rites.
    Why is the USSR aviation industry such a "chronicler" who throws a well-known substance on a fan completely thoughtlessly.
    The USSR really belonged to the number of the chosen club from the six most developed countries of the world, possessing a full cycle of creating aviation equipment, including the high technologies necessary for this, as they say today.
    However, this does not mean that one can lie as enchantingly as the author does on this subject.
    From the assembly shops of Soviet aircraft plants there were as many planes as they were produced by all the other countries of the world combined.

    Comparison of aircraft production in the West and the USSR in 1965-1991 (according to Rusavia).
    but our planes were exported to many countries of the world
    Indeed, during the existence of Aviaexport, that is, for 30 years - from 1961. to 1991, 2153 civilian and transport aircraft and 3543 helicopters were sold for export, that is, almost 72 aircraft and 118 helicopters per year. This list includes all aircraft, ranging from sports Yak-18. And there were a lot of countries - 68. True, mostly Soviet planes bought Angola, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Benin, Bulgaria, Hungary, Vietnam, East Germany, India, Iraq, Yemen, China, Cuba, Laos, Libya, Madagascar, Mali, Mozambique, Mongolia, Nicaragua, Cape Verde, Peru, Poland, Romania, Syria, Somalia, Czechoslovakia, Ethiopia, Yugoslavia.
    1. Vadim237 24 March 2020 19: 27 New
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      They didn’t buy - just the USSR gave them for barter and loyalty like everything else. Only seven aircraft were sold for money.
      1. Undecim 24 March 2020 19: 30 New
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        Can you give a link to a reliable source? Information on the terms of deliveries of aircraft specifically did not come across.
        1. L-39NG 24 March 2020 19: 32 New
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          Guys, I won’t lie. He worked in the Czech foreign trade, I know very well how much and where it was sold. Minus if you will sleep more calmly.
          1. Undecim 24 March 2020 19: 43 New
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            So you write at least something. Or because they worked in the foreign trade to minus?
            1. L-39NG 24 March 2020 20: 45 New
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              Sorry, sometimes I catch cons already because I’ll appear on the site. And sometimes my old-fashioned, anti-Stalinist character will appear. Otherwise, the United States, Canada, Switzerland, the Slovenian Air Force, the Egyptian Air Force, the Bulgarian Ministry of Internal Affairs, it’s clear that our Czech Air Force and a bit of Israel, but Israel are watch men, but we helped them a lot after 1945, but it still happened to me. Yes, you yourself know how many Czech “acrobats” flew to the USSR, and maybe someone older remembers Let L-200 Morava, but I usually held all the acrobats in my hand, “Zlinka”, then 43, 143, 243, 242 flew to Zlín Z- 526. Rolled Russian half-clients. Petya Irmus (world champion) allowed me to ride in the z-50, but it was take-off and landing, even though I set him up an airplane at a price for the flying club. Itself jumped from the Brno airport club An-2 and from the army Mi-8. From L-410 did not jump, not fate. So what else to say? His son jumped as an officer of the Czech Republic Army, his daughter jumped as a civilian economist, grandchildren do not jump, but they take judo medals and international
              1. Undecim 24 March 2020 20: 52 New
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                On the Let L-200 Morava, I flew home from the regional center, there was such a service - such as an air taxi.
                1. L-39NG 24 March 2020 21: 06 New
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                  Somehow I had to transport the ZLIN Z 143 to Bulgaria, through Hungary and Romania, and while I was not a factory pilot, I was then a sales manager, Well, when we sat in Bulgaria - it was a comedy, but there is no toilet in the airplane. Thank you for the Bulgarian customs officers had a sense of humor. Both we and they had a good drink.
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                    and I learned to fly on z 242, and the first solo on it was, eh ,,, but I had to continue training on cessna 182, it’s cheaper, but zlin was my first love
    2. EvilLion 25 March 2020 08: 36 New
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      Comparison of the entire MiG-23/27 and F-14 family, well up to the heap of Tu-160 and B-1B, of course, is interesting, although its meaning is not very clear. Well, at one time there was an idea with a wing of variable sweep, but it was never mainstream. It is interesting with subsonic combat aircraft, where, obviously, one Su-25 is opposed by a whole bunch of Western bombers.
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    Dedicated to all wing brothers (I don’t know the author):
    [B] [/ b]
    As the story goes:
    The plane flew home ...
    Let's just say: An-2 from the task,
    “Board 13” is the call sign.

    Low Cumulus Sky
    Unobtrusively storming.
    Our An-2 under the lower edge
    Peacefully flies so-so.

    The flight is calm, smooth.
    Soon the third U-turn ...
    Suddenly, the pilots see ... a tractor ...
    A tractor is floating in the sky!

    Slowly, as the matter knows ...
    The tractor is all right - where to get to from ?!
    An-2 course crosses
    As if it should be so ...

    No one in the empty cabin.
    Even the headlights do not light.
    Here are miracles in sight
    I have not seen either old or young ...

    Clouds Ironing Roof
    Great rushing ... Behind him now
    Vigilantly watch in An-2 quieter
    Two crazy pairs of eyes.

    Commander like a gun,
    He immediately delved into the scale:
    It smells like kerosene.
    It’s time to react ...

    “To say out loud - take doubts ...
    Better honestly keep silent:
    In aviation vision
    Doctors do not welcome ...

    Make a noise now -
    On earth they’ll be locked in a madhouse ...
    I said yesterday to godfather,
    What mushrooms with a darling! .. "
    The Second has the same thoughts:
    “There is a reason in silence ...
    So that at least once in my life
    Drank grandfathers moonshine! "

    And the earth does not sleep with the radar:
    "Board 13, answer me!"
    With the cargo side you are right
    200 meters apart. ”

    Don't get it wrong
    No pilot could:
    “Cargo” - it’s still clear ...
    But what kind of “board” is he ?!

    They have differences with the board:
    No matter how the tractor steams,
    Let, if only for decency,
    I hooked the wings to the roof.

    But the dispatcher is waiting for an answer,
    Just say broadcast? ..
    Like, today I am "with greetings":
    Does the tractor see the commander? ..

    Keep silent - The second will lay.
    He also has a brother-in-law.
    And the loss of communication - too,
    Incidentally, the incident ...

    This is life ... On land, in the sky -
    The same people ...
    Similarly, about a colleague
    Thought our co-pilot ...

    Without asking life for glory
    (That and so beats them with a key)
    Firmly holding the helms
    The crew flies silently ...

    "... Board 13, report! .."
    - the dispatcher became their enemy ...
    "Board 13, confirm
    The discrepancy with the board! "

    Give him now in the face!
    I hooked like an abscess ...
    The guys are about to seem
    Soon there will be a nervous breakdown ...

    Their oppressive silence
    The critical line ...
    “Do you see something there, Vanya?”
    - Clouds alone ... And you?
    "Not passed ... Heather's envy ..." -
    He thinks first with himself.
    “Well, sly one! I wanted to substitute ... "-
    He echoed the thoughts of the Second.

    And the same tractor in the window
    Cumulus melts in a haze ...
    Maybe antigravity
    What crank invented?

    “Cargo”, answer “HSE”! .. -
    Our dispatcher is not his own.
    (Well of course, wait, bro,
    The tractor will contact you ...)

    May he still fly
    But so that he speaks ...
    "... The cargo is in touch ..." (God !!!)
    "The discrepancy confirmed ..."

    Everything ... The end of flying, sky ...
    All that can wait afterwards -
    These are just injections into a vein
    Orderlies and madhouse ...

    “Well, why do we need this tractor? !!
    Let the fire be better! ”
    Yes ... Pilots probably
    At that moment, a blow was enough.

    Only one way out - to wake up ...
    And do not sleep forever!
    “Evade the course,
    Board 13, your mother! ”

    ..................................

    No matter how terrible a secret
    Life will tear off her veil.
    And the heroes of our liner
    Suddenly came out of the clouds ...

    Crazed by nonsense
    Pilots turn the bend.
    And is to their eyes
    Prosaic landscape ...

    Real, visible helicopter
    Peacefully flies into the distance, a bandit ...
    And beneath it on long slings
    Fairytale tractor hanging ...
    Two synchronous loud sighs
    An-2 walked in a wave ...
    Not everything is so bad with your head!
    (Bad, here, without one ...)

    Hiding glances from each other
    Guys, swearing in thoughts ...
    "The 13th board in the glide path!
    Junk something connection ... "

    On the ground sigh furtively:
    “They scared me so that you ... !!!
    Come on the landing.
    We'll figure it out on the ground ... "
  • The author stated everything correctly, but for the sake of truth, it must be added that Czechoslovak aircraft were also used on nearby highways.
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    An-2 only needs a ground-based radio station with a leader,

    It may be far, of course, having been doing this for 30 years, but regional (small aviation) is not only the An-2, which, by the way, also needs flight personnel, at least somehow and somewhere trained, repair and maintenance equipment with appropriate technical staff, aerodrome services, at least some kind of "bed" workshop that produces components, and the organization of movement in the airspace of the Russian Federation, even beyond the Urals, is not 1 person with a radio station. Something like that, and on this I think we can stop our informative, but useless dialogue, good luck.
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    Quote: Less
    This is not logic - this is math
    But the major was much in mathematics:
    He added something there, then multiplied, summed up, and said ...!
    He flew to the USSR and on AN-2,24 and IL-62,18,86 and TU-104,124,134,154 and on other things that also flies from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok from Komi to Central Asia, and after all, only on Soviet machines and now - even galoshes forgot how to do it only buy-sell and stole it in jail if you didn’t manage to escape to London - romance and sometimes it’s a pity that it’s not the 37th!