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FSB officers detained students planning a massacre

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Two students were planning an armed attack on an educational institution in Sakhalin. They were detained by members of the Federal Security Service.


About this news agency RIA News reported in the security service.

During the search, FSB officers seized a sawn-off shotgun made from a hunting rifle, cartridges, an industrial detonator, improvised explosive devices, explosives and communications equipment. Moreover. They found diaries in which the planned armed terrorist attack on the educational institution was described.

Also, the footage of the operative video footage of the detention was transferred to journalists. The video shows that the action took place in a private house outside the city where one of the suspects lived. You can also see physical evidence of the unlawful activity of adolescents.

The detained young people, one of whom was born in 2002 and the second in 2003, propagated terrorist activities, suicides and mass killings on the Internet. At the moment, they are involved in a criminal case on public calls for terrorist activities. Investigating this case, the FSB and went to adolescents.
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  1. astepanov
    astepanov 23 March 2020 17: 17 New
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    All this is very sad. Maybe the lack of a clear ideology is in the way? The case is far from the first. If we add to this how easily young people get addicted to drugs, to extremist propaganda, to nationalist ideas, then it is completely alarming.
    1. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 23 March 2020 17: 28 New
      11
      Quote: astepanov
      Maybe the lack of a clear ideology is in the way?

      The lack of ideology in our Constitution. And the amendments did not change this paragraph. We have a ban on ideology.
      And to impose ideology on the whole state that EdRo uses is to immediately pull people to the barricades.
      All the movements that EdRo founded to work with young people have failed. The most epic failure is Ours. And a holy place is never empty. So young people go to the Internet, where all sorts of schemers powder their brains.
      So I completely agree with you - there is no ideology, we are reaping the benefits.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 23 March 2020 17: 31 New
        16
        Well done FSB officers!
        Commendable!

        And then we, the Russians, even on Sakhalin, "disabled on the head" in the form of followers of the "Kerch" shooter was just not enough! Or some new "Barbarian Karaulovs"
        1. Sergey39
          Sergey39 23 March 2020 17: 52 New
          +4
          They will tighten the nuts on the Internet. Something recently such detentions have become more frequent.
          1. COJIDAT
            COJIDAT 23 March 2020 18: 00 New
            12
            It is necessary to tighten the nuts in the brain of such adolescents, but it is wonderful that this contingent considers social networks as a reliable tool for transmitting and storing information)
            1. krot
              krot 24 March 2020 19: 09 New
              +1
              FSB learned to work well to prevent terrorist attacks! Well done!
          2. Pavel57
            Pavel57 24 March 2020 10: 12 New
            +1
            Anonymous Internet is a potential threat to any state. In any case, all countries are moving towards digital slavery in one form or another.
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus 23 March 2020 17: 57 New
        16
        Quote: Honest Citizen
        All the movements that EdRo founded to work with young people have failed. Most Epic Failure - Ours

        Why did it fail? Everything just happened, as planned.
        Crazy beggar children on Sakhalin are preparing the murder of other beggar children, and the right guys make their own gesheft.
        Another piece of news about “professional patriots” from the Nashi movement came in recent days. Former first deputy chairman of the State Duma’s Information Policy, Information Technologies and Communications Committee from United Russia, and before that, the Nashi movement’s commissar, Robert Schlegel, not only received German citizenship, but also got a job in a “large international company”, that is, to thereby to the "globalists" who ordered and continue to pay for the demonization of Russia in their own, and indeed in the so-called Russian "liberal" media.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 23 March 2020 19: 09 New
          +4
          Quote: Odyssey
          Crazy beggar children on Sakhalin are preparing the murder of other beggar children, and the right guys make their own gesheft.

          Well, yours know how to.
          Yours will lead the killing of some children by others in the name of a brighter future.
          The murderers will be called beggars, and those killed will be undeservedly rich, and voila! The fight for all the good.
      3. Dmitry Potapov
        Dmitry Potapov 23 March 2020 18: 13 New
        +2
        You said it right! The lack of ideology makes people a meek herd, the presence of ideology (any) makes a force that, with the wrong behavior of the authorities who proclaimed this ideology as a weapon against ideologists.
      4. yustas
        yustas 23 March 2020 20: 53 New
        +1
        Well, not noose, you are the fathers, give the children an ideology ...
      5. Evgeny Ivanov_5
        Evgeny Ivanov_5 23 March 2020 21: 25 New
        -5
        Well, students are afraid with edrom. They will win and will organize a society with ideology. Che not so, father dear?
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    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 23 March 2020 17: 32 New
      +4
      Well yes. It interferes. What ideal does modern youth life offer? Spin, with luck, can you steal no less than the Elder Boys sitting in the Duma? A wonderful perspective, captivates young people completely ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 23 March 2020 17: 59 New
        +5
        God ... what a stupid thing ... go to school and everything will be possible. why all damn think that you can live well stealing, I don’t understand ... a lot of professions where they pay well and a lot of prospects ... a lot. and such individuals are sociopaths. they don’t need anything. such a psychotype. they don’t care about social status and development. they have other goals. they won’t go to work and make a career. they’ll just be at war with this world.
        1. Dmitry Donskoy
          Dmitry Donskoy 23 March 2020 18: 22 New
          11
          Return the Octobrists, pioneers and Komsomol members back. Collect scrap metal and waste paper. Create Timurov teams. Open free interest clubs. You can just take a lot of things from a past life and don’t have to invent anything. request
          1. Devil13
            Devil13 24 March 2020 00: 43 New
            +1
            Free circles in the age of capitalism? Did you feel like socialism there?) The thing is beautiful, like its other charms - for example, the shooting of thieves, enemies of the people ... eh ... But let me remind you that we have capitalism, happiness, hurt oneself.
        2. Devil13
          Devil13 24 March 2020 00: 40 New
          +3
          You are there, you will leave your Muscovy, 400, but what’s there, drive 50 km to either side, drive into the village .... Look at the life of ordinary people.
          And everything is possible, everything is accessible - if you are lucky, or you find your own, like Alexander Tikhomirov, then yes.
          And if you are an engineer, then why didn’t you give up hunchback for 25k, for more than 50k - in Moscow, or abroad. And you calmly dump, because the plumber in Italy gets more than the space engineer in Russia.
      2. Mestny
        Mestny 23 March 2020 19: 10 New
        -5
        Quote: Mikhail3
        What ideal does modern youth life offer? Spin, with luck, can you steal no less than the Elder Boys sitting in the Duma?

        Not with luck, no.
        With brains, courage and perseverance to achieve the goal.
    4. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 March 2020 17: 57 New
      0
      Quote: astepanov
      If we add to this how easily young people get addicted to drugs, to extremist propaganda, to nationalist ideas, then it is completely alarming.

      Anxious, speak? Or maybe this anxiety appears against the backdrop of the general disappointment of our youth about the prospects for life?
      And boring and sad, and no one hand to give
      In the moment of adversity ...
      Desires! .. what is the use in vain and eternal desire? ..
      And the years go by - all the best years!

      To love ... but whom? .. for a while - it’s not worth the trouble,
      And it is impossible to love forever.

      Do you look into yourself? - there is no trace there:
      And joy, and torment, and everything there is insignificant ...


      What is passion? - because early il late their sweet affliction
      Disappear at the word of reason;
      And life as you look with cold attention around -
      Such an empty and stupid joke ...
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 23 March 2020 19: 13 New
        +4
        The youth is different. There are some, but there are completely different ones.
        This is the difference between freedom and Soviet-style socialism.
        True, it suddenly turns out that not everyone is smart and beautiful. And that now they just don’t give anything to anyone - you yourself have to.
        1. Honest Citizen
          Honest Citizen 23 March 2020 20: 04 New
          -2
          Quote: Mestny
          True, it suddenly turns out that not everyone is smart and beautiful. And that now they just don’t give anything to anyone - you yourself have to.

          Really?
          You tell the children of Patrushev, Chaika, Medvedev, Zhirinovsky, Rogozin, ok?
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 23 March 2020 21: 49 New
            +4
            And what will grow out of your children when your father has so much poison against the country's leadership? These will grow. Start with yourself, in terms of ideology as well. Father conducts propaganda on the Internet, children for schools and institutes take up live.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 23 March 2020 23: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: Okolotochny
              Father is leading propaganda on the Internet,

              In these cases, Alexey, hi, there is a usual whine for any reason and without them. Here I don't feel like propaganda at all. Rather, the grotesque philistine tediousness of losers - a sort of "rotten daddy". I will never be surprised if they have already gotten colic about their relatives and friends. Accordingly, they have at least some refuge here. So don't go gundyat, because their exhaust is all zero. Well, at least, they won't lay hands on themselves from melancholy. But it is not exactly. laughing
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 24 March 2020 03: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: Mestny
          True, it suddenly turns out that not everyone is smart and beautiful. And that now they just don’t give anything to anyone - you yourself have to.

          Let us tell you how today you determine the mind, beauty and ability according to the degree of kinship. But I’m watching everything and can’t understand in any way where did these “smarties” manage to get everything right after coming of age?
          Quote: Okolotochny
          And what will grow out of your children when your father has so much poison against the country's leadership?

          Teachers of the year are growing. And what will grow out of your children whose father is ready to “lick” all the cracks in the leadership. You directly, not bustling, answer: “Are you for pension reform and zeroing the deadlines?” and then you can not inflate your patriotism.
          Quote: Paranoid50
          In these cases, Alexey, there is a usual whining for any reason and without it.

          And in your case, the paranoid mania that this particular “eternal storyteller” will bring Russia happiness. They seized on power, on their own privileges, on the right to steer with all their limbs, and at the same time believe that people simply can’t have another choice - the choice of real development, and not eternal senility - an era of promises and unfulfilled cunning plans and instructions ..
          1. bukhach
            bukhach 24 March 2020 07: 43 New
            +2
            Write beautifully! As they say, you won’t drink talent! As far as I understand, you know how to bring happiness to Russia, not like a storyteller ... You can only envy the power of your intellect, bravo. Only from history is it known that this has always been the case with any government at all times and not in Russia alone. We even organized the USSR to change something in human nature and what happened? Your beautiful words are just words.
        3. Gennady Korsunov
          Gennady Korsunov 24 March 2020 07: 21 New
          +1
          Freedom of what? Stealing, mercilessly exploiting for less money !! This current freedom did not stand next to the freedom of socialism !! In 90 thieves and swindlers came to power, now they are being replaced by their children and grandchildren. So they really are not smart, like their relatives. And as for one himself, it has always been like that, only the elevators are different then and now.
      2. LMN
        LMN 23 March 2020 20: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: astepanov
        If we add to this how easily young people get addicted to drugs, to extremist propaganda, to nationalist ideas, then it is completely alarming.

        Anxious, speak? Or maybe this anxiety appears against the backdrop of the general disappointment of our youth about the prospects for life?
        And boring and sad, and no one hand to give
        In the moment of adversity ...
        Desires! .. what is the use in vain and eternal desire? ..
        And the years go by - all the best years!

        To love ... but whom? .. for a while - it’s not worth the trouble,
        And it is impossible to love forever.

        Do you look into yourself? - there is no trace there:
        And joy, and torment, and everything there is insignificant ...


        What is passion? - because early il late their sweet affliction
        Disappear at the word of reason;
        And life as you look with cold attention around -
        Such an empty and stupid joke ...

        Or maybe people like you? With regular reports against the current government? request
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 24 March 2020 03: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: LMN
          Or maybe people like you? With regular reports against the current government?

          You are separately, because the "spoiler" is not familiar to you. As long as the authorities, without delving into the real needs of the real population, carry nonsense instead of successive steps, there will be people who dislike it. But while you go, train to expose the enemies of power outside the Moscow Ring Road, there they will promptly tell you the routes and list all the relatives that you had in mind.
          1. LMN
            LMN 24 March 2020 03: 56 New
            -1
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Quote: LMN
            Or maybe people like you? With regular reports against the current government?

            You are separately, because the "spoiler" is not familiar to you. As long as the authorities, without delving into the real needs of the real population, carry nonsense instead of successive steps, there will be people who dislike it.

            That is, will the students continue to prepare terrorist attacks? Will they be "sickened", and will they continue to try to blow up something?
            Well thank you ..
    5. maidan.izrailovich
      maidan.izrailovich 24 March 2020 03: 17 New
      +1
      Maybe the lack of a clear ideology is in the way?

      There is nothing to do with ideology.
      It is necessary to control Internet access up to 18 years. Only dosed and under the control of elders. And a list of sites allowed for children and adolescents. Then by the age of 18 less garbage in the head will accumulate.
  2. Vita vko
    Vita vko 23 March 2020 17: 19 New
    +3
    Parents, as usual, are on the sidelines. They received benefits for children, maternity capital, but no responsibility? Why not assign parents to neighboring cells, but you never know if terrorists will be given birth or "educated".
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 March 2020 18: 00 New
      -3
      Quote: Vita VKO
      Why not assign parents to neighboring cells, and you never know if terrorists will be given birth or "raised".

      But what about the parents of those who stole from the budget, appropriated official money, and then copied it to parents and other relatives? belay
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 23 March 2020 18: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: ROSS 42
        But what about the parents of those who stole from the budget, appropriated official money, and then copied it to parents and other relatives?

        Collective responsibility is always more effective than personal irresponsibility. Sooner or later, people will come to this anyway. Otherwise, it simply will not work to fight the ugliness of liberalism, psychological and information wars against our people, for which the United States allocates billions annually.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 23 March 2020 19: 14 New
          -2
          This has already happened. In the history of the USSR it was widely used.
          ... you would be there, fighters for justice.
      2. maidan.izrailovich
        maidan.izrailovich 24 March 2020 03: 21 New
        +2
        But what about the parents of those who stole from the budget ...

        If complicity in a crime is proved, and theft from the budget is a crime, then all involved and so on under the law fall under the articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
    2. Fat
      Fat 23 March 2020 18: 47 New
      -1
      Quote: Vita VKO
      Parents, as usual, are on the sidelines. They received benefits for children, maternity capital, but no responsibility? Why not assign parents to neighboring cells, but you never know if terrorists will be given birth or "educated".

      You looked at the year of birth of the terrorists, no? 2002-2003 What is maternal capital?
      Maternal (family) capital is a form of state support for Russian families raising children. This support is provided from January 1, 2007 at the birth or adoption of a second, third or subsequent child with Russian citizenship, provided that the parents did not exercise the right to additional state support measures.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 23 March 2020 19: 15 New
        +1
        They don’t need to. These are trolls.
        1. Fat
          Fat 23 March 2020 19: 24 New
          +4
          Quote: Mestny
          They don’t need to. These are trolls.

          Yeah, they staged a rally, they speak one after another and each other joyfully applaud in the hope that a passer-by sucker will listen and also move away from the emotional thread)))
          1. maidan.izrailovich
            maidan.izrailovich 24 March 2020 03: 23 New
            +2
            Yeah, they staged a rally, they speak one after another and each other joyfully applaud ...

            You're right. There are in the sect constantly rallying. They turn any topic into a rally. Apparently the laurels of Trotsky do not give rest. lol
    3. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 23 March 2020 22: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Vita VKO
      Parents, as usual, are on the sidelines. They received benefits for children, maternity capital, but no responsibility? Why not assign parents to neighboring cells, but you never know if terrorists will be given birth or "educated".

      Until there are monetary fines for any dregs, there will be no sense. They got used to throwing garbage anywhere, to paint walls-fences with any abomination .. To fine "children", and for one and the parents of these children ... Dad will receive a large financial fine for his sick son on his head, take off his belt and hit for everything good .. Otherwise, these young terrorists need to be twisted, under whose leadership, whose propaganda they committed the crime!
  3. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 23 March 2020 17: 22 New
    +6
    There are simply no words, one cry. A generation has grown up that knows only their rights, permissiveness, and no obligations. And who brings up, is responsible (except for parents), what did our state do for education ???
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 23 March 2020 17: 26 New
      +9
      Parents should explain this FIRST. It’s not necessary to hang everything on the state. The baby son has come to the FATHER ...
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 23 March 2020 17: 36 New
        +5
        What is it? What to explain? You can’t kill? You can’t steal? You can’t spit on other people? Well, try to explain to someone. At the same time, explain the examples that will fill up you in response. Examples of actions of those people who define everything and everything. And refute the main statement - while you, wise guy, will adhere to your ideals - will be a miserable loser. And rejoice that you’re alive at all, that someone’s piston didn’t crush you on the street with impunity.
        Come on, make informed speech. So that the young guy gets through. Try it on someone, it really brightens the head. Not him, of course, but yours ...
        1. astepanov
          astepanov 23 March 2020 17: 52 New
          +7
          Quote: Mikhail3
          Come on, make informed speech. So that the young guy gets through. Try it on someone, it really brightens the head. Not him, of course, but yours ...

          Perhaps I agree with you. To cite the guy as an example of the "hero of labor" Rotenberg is somehow ... There remains only church wisdom - that, they say, in the next world, everyone will be rewarded according to their merits. It seems that this is why God is being crammed into the constitution. But it is hard to believe that the Church and faith can save from blood: in the uprisings of Razin, Pugachev, Boltnikov, all believers and churchgoers took part, and their heads were chopped off by the same believers and churchgoers. So, it turns out that until there is a just state, there will be no effective methods of education.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 23 March 2020 18: 03 New
          0
          do you really want a sociopath to explain all this? make a revolution in psychology? sociopaths just do not suffer from their frustration at all. But others get it. Because sociopaths don’t put them in a penny, live for their own pleasure, and nothing will force them to at least look at their behavior from the outside. , these people are dangerous to others. It’s only difficult to understand: sociopaths are so charming that it’s easy to fall in love with them, to see a teacher, a guru, a savior of the fatherland. And only when your life is destroyed or at least turned upside down, you will begin to look around and ask what it was. The biggest problem with a sociopath is that it is difficult to recognize. More precisely, it is easy to recognize him: not being able to experience such feelings like love, compassion, shame, guilt, they know very well how to show them. These are great actors: not every psychiatrist will be able to pinpoint exactly the first time that he is a sociopath. According to the medical classification, sociopathy is a dissocial (antisocial) personality disorder, expressed by a clear disregard for social norms and principles, excessive impulsiveness, which turns into overt aggression, and the inability to form universal human attachments. No ideology will change these people. she’s just one place for them.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 23 March 2020 18: 14 New
            +2
            The sociopath is a wonderful invention. Amazing term. They say there are people who don’t give a damn about society, they have such a separate world in their heads, and there’s NOTHING TO BE DONE. Yes, they exist. But you can do it. It is even possible, even with sociopaths. Because there is another term - borderline state.
            In which, for various reasons, there are millions of people. And where this very state will turn in a person's head depends very much on his heart (which modern "science" generally completely denies). And a person in a borderline state can actually become a hero. An ascetic. Give everything for people, can you imagine?
            Only when this is all around ... You see, right? "Live among the tar, you will inevitably get dirty." Hispaniola left on her course. And we're not on the pier, we're in a filthy dump. And in which direction the roof is crawling, you can not guess. One direction.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 23 March 2020 18: 32 New
              +4
              all of this requires systems to detect this condition. but this is unrealistic. so that these people reveal one conversation is not enough. signs yes. any person can remember them and even see something. and maybe it will even help. but this is very little. it is inherited or trauma. why it happened is a huge job. you don’t apply to everyone. I am personally convinced that this is a huge problem and which the world generally pays little attention to than we could. Too much care about freedoms. and I have daughters. and they grow. and who they meet in life will personally scare me. I can’t prevent it. Well, it’s difficult for a child to teach that there are people who will lie to them and try to manipulate them. that her classmate could break the thread and go for it. that a guy can be jealous and hit a girl. or worse. that people are people and all have cockroaches. I have philistine fears.
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 23 March 2020 18: 41 New
                -1
                To do this, you do not need any system and other nonsense, which is born in the minds of scientists, eager for grants. For this, it is necessary that a person be surrounded by good people, and not provoked by the surrounding muck. It will be a revelation for you, but people are not linear machines controlled by buttons. Even those people who are on the verge.
                Of course, righteous people cannot be around) It’s enough just for good people to be tangibly strong and to occupy in reality an important, much determining place. There was an explanation further, but the site did not miss it, despite the fact that there was not a single rude word there. It seems that I'm crossing the line ...
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 23 March 2020 19: 44 New
                  -2
                  Well, I personally do not see boundaries in substantive conversations) but the fact that you say it correctly. just rather fantastic as regrettable. I was sometimes amazed at how people change just getting into the army environment, for example. even talked with parents because it did not fit in the head. I especially remember the guy from Tver. which would be commissioned from the army. he just peed on the bed every day. on purpose. woke up and did. ceased to follow himself. it was a complete ahtung. they beat him and their own, for it’s not possible to even sleep next to him and washed them by force and watched. in short, I had to take him to Durkee. and you know what then? his mother wrote to me after they removed him under the article, he became an ordinary person back. what in his head I don’t know ... he mocked himself for months only to return home. humiliation withstood the darkness. and according to his own man, they didn’t even expect such a thing from him ... but his family is ordinary. good people...
      2. knn54
        knn54 23 March 2020 17: 39 New
        +9
        But Ravil is right. There is NO ideology, FIRST. Parents say one thing, but in life they’re completely different.
        When Fidel came to power, Cuba was a large brothel controlled by the American mafia.
        While the parents worked at the newly created enterprises (not without the help of the USSR and the social camp), the children were in boarding schools. Where the veterans of the partisan movement were educators. They studied themselves and taught the children. The result is obvious.
        I cited this as an example, what the state is capable of, if the country's leadership has a desire.
      3. Sergey39
        Sergey39 23 March 2020 17: 55 New
        +3
        Yes, parents should too. But who will bring up the parents? Our second generation has grown. The state should not only prevent but also warn.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 23 March 2020 19: 25 New
          -3
          State?
          It can.
          Now these families will fall into a real whirlpool of inspections, commissions, fines, possible deprivation of parental rights and other things.
          But he, the state, is certainly far from the USSR. There young people would have already gone to a special school, where they would have walked in formation with tarpaulin boots, and would have had their teeth knocked out by the "teachers".
          And that’s it. And nobody cared - what would later become with them, who would they grow up.
      4. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 23 March 2020 17: 57 New
        -7
        Such fathers usually have some kind of nariks or drunks.
        1. Galleon
          Galleon 23 March 2020 18: 10 New
          +8
          These guys have dads or grandfathers even FSB officers - have you forgotten the Moscow case?
          Do not make too simple conclusions in a very complex problem.
        2. polar fox
          polar fox 23 March 2020 18: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Incvizitor
          Such fathers usually have some kind of nariks or drunks.

          I had a similar contingent brought up, all people grew up ... but those who blew in the ass, many drank themselves and strummed. And the ancestors, like "intelligent" were ...
      5. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 23 March 2020 18: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: vkl.47
        Parents should explain this FIRST. It’s not necessary to hang everything on the state. The baby son has come to the FATHER ...

        That's right, that's right. Of all these explanations about “what is good” and “what is bad”, parents will not be able to explain to their child that earning pennies and not having enough money will always be extreme, bad and a loser ...
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 23 March 2020 18: 20 New
          +3
          EARN enough funds and they will be taken from you. This is the reality we have built. As soon as the Big Boys agree, you’ll be penniless on the street and you’ll be very lucky if you are alive. How incredibly lucky was the thread of the robbed owner of VKContact. Managed to leave somehow ... Not everyone is so lucky. Not for everyone.
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 23 March 2020 19: 27 New
            -3
            Quote: Mikhail3
            As soon as the Big Boys agree, you’ll be penniless on the street and you’ll be very lucky if you are alive.

            And the Big Boys — where did they come from? From another country? No, they used to be younger boys.
      6. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 23 March 2020 18: 18 New
        -6
        Quote: vkl.47
        Parents should explain this FIRST. It’s not necessary to hang everything on the state. The baby son has come to the FATHER ...

        Yes, you are from the state of today, too, do not remove the responsibility. At all times, when the state was detached from society, it received in response a radicalization of sentiments and protests. Well, yes, some young people who do not want to think and analyze fall under the influence of marginal movements and ideologies, in search of a way to splash out internal contradictions.
        And others, understanding that their peers are not the true cause of the contradictions, are organized into more civil structures, in opposition to the state.

        But in either case, it is precisely radicalization, it is clear that it is primarily young people.
        So the current government itself, I say it constantly, also helps to incite hatred in society (look at least at the atmosphere of hysteria on a fed. TV show). It contributes to neglect of the opinion and fate of its citizens, injustice, increasing stratification in society and lack of prospects, and all this together creates instability in society. And the fact that there are more and more such cases is a logical result and a reflection of the processes taking place in society. The state system is in crisis, and as it grows, various failures will become more.
        And no parents, this will not hurt. Their children live in a society, and not in a vacuum and one way or another, will be captured by public moods and ongoing processes. In the end, the Ulyanov brothers also had parents, and they were very cultural, educated and probably law-abiding. Did not help. Since the society already had a request for other behavior and actions. hi
    2. Po-tzan
      Po-tzan 23 March 2020 17: 37 New
      -4
      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      There are simply no words, one cry. A generation has grown up that knows only their rights, permissiveness, and no obligations. And who brings up, is responsible (except for parents), what did our state do for education ???


      The youth of the late 80s found a piece of the CCCP, spending their childhood in the CCCP, and then wildly stuck wildly on the USA, American baseball caps USA, McDuck, pizza hut, cola and whiskey, Lincolns and Cadillacs, glorious victories of American special forces and airborne forces against robots, evil commies of regimes , joined the Evangelical Baptists and preseralo "sovkov" who fled to the USA smarter, everyone hated everything Russian and Soviet. And they still remembered the USSR and Soviet education.
      The youth of the late 2020s CCCP did not catch the scoop at all. From childhood, they live with a naughty otzerzenets and disdain to all Russian. They are much more Russophobic. Because the youth of the 90s was divided into those who are for the United States and those who are for the CCCP (those of Lyuber). And the youth of the 2020s is divided into those who are for the United States and those who do not care. Russia, Russianness and CCCP simply do not have their own defenders among people entering the adult world in 2018+.
      Under developed Yeltsinism, Russianness and Sovietism still had defenders. Now in 2020 Russia has no advocates and supporters among youth. And the next generation is ripening, now 12-15 years old, and they are even more, radically Russophobic, they are even more oriented towards freedom, social media, transgender people, free Internet and NATO.
      Russia and the Russian world are doomed. Having matured, these people will destroy all Russian.
      In the 90s, there were also many neutral people - who did not try to achieve anything in politics and economics, who went into the world of elves, Hitler flying saucers, gothic rock, anrial and quake, who built motorcycles from the Dnieper and camp rafts from car tires . Now there are none. Those who are now 20-15-12 do not have hobbies at all. They have nowhere to go from reality, they don’t even want to thump, only nonsense and Russophobia ...
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 23 March 2020 17: 59 New
        -5
        Yeah, it's time to cry and sprinkle ash on your head.
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 23 March 2020 18: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: PO-tzan
        Young people in the late 80s found a piece of CCCP, having spent their childhood in CCCP, and they frantically stuck to the USA, USA baseball caps, mackduck, pizza hut, cola and whiskey, Lincoln and Cadillacs,

        The USSR did not work its decline already. The system that was created as the only hope of humanity for the future has already been broken. And what did the Soviet youth see around them? Lick someone's ass from the district committee / regional committee - you'll be covered in chocolate. Be a Chaldean, a seller, some kind of shit "near the deficit" - you will have everything. Of course, you can hope to death in the North, you will get money. True, you will lose your health, and much is not available for money, acquaintance is much more effective.
        Do you seriously think that youth was happy with all this? Was this exactly what should have given birth to healthy morality, or at least resistance to temptations? Oh ...
    3. Tank hard
      Tank hard 23 March 2020 18: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      There are simply no words, one cry. A generation has grown up that knows only their rights, permissiveness, and no obligations. And who brings up, is responsible (except for parents), what did our state do for education ???

      But there were people!
    4. yustas
      yustas 23 March 2020 20: 59 New
      +1
      But should the state bring up? EPT, do you submit children for kindergarten, then school, then institute, and then you expect support from them? Yes, we were brought up in the USSR not by the state, but parents and do not lie to me
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 24 March 2020 08: 49 New
        -1
        No, it should not. It’s not the state that is upbringing. The state should set a standard of conduct. Everyone sees how things are being done in the state. How to behave, what to be in order to achieve success in the country. That is what the state serves in the first, second and hundredths.
        And what is our standard of behavior? Who needs to be in order to succeed in our state? Who is on top of us? In-in ...
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 23 March 2020 17: 31 New
    0
    They "deserve" 20 years without amnesty!
  5. Nedokomsomolets
    Nedokomsomolets 23 March 2020 17: 41 New
    +3
    It’s very convenient to shift everything to parents. And who raised them? TV shows of the 90s? Moses, at the end of 30 years, probably already thought, but was it time to settle down and look closely, where would his people stop and settle down? So we have ten years left, when all carriers of the old ideologies calm down forever.
    I imagine the main problem in their head is the lack of clarity of prospects in later life. Because only thieves in power live "with dignity", that is, "qualitatively". And here, of course, the guys are open to all kinds of influences.
    By the way, it would be interesting to just talk to them what is in their heads. Maybe the FSB could lay out an interrogation protocol as an example? What did you think, what did you want and why at all?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 23 March 2020 18: 13 New
      +2
      But on who? who else should be responsible for raising children if not their parents? it is our duty and our main concern in life.
  6. Hexagon
    Hexagon 23 March 2020 17: 50 New
    +1
    I don’t even know. On the one hand, they should be publicly executed. On the other hand, excesses will be 146%. But to do something right, the situation is sad.
    But the curators of these idiots would find yes, according to old Chinese wisdom, to plant on a bamboo shoot ...
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 23 March 2020 17: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Hexagon
      But the curators of these morons would find yes

      "The main thing is not to get out on ourselves in the course of investigative actions ..."
  7. dgonni
    dgonni 23 March 2020 17: 55 New
    11
    Do one confuse me with handwritten diaries from a generation that has grown on a digital?
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 23 March 2020 18: 05 New
      +5
      After the "case of the network" you will inevitably be wary of such successes of the FSB and other law enforcement officers.
    2. Galleon
      Galleon 23 March 2020 18: 12 New
      +6
      The option that someone is very tired of serving on Sakhalin and wants to increase Moscow, too, cannot be ruled out.
    3. Fat
      Fat 23 March 2020 19: 14 New
      0
      Quote: dgonni
      Do one confuse me with handwritten diaries from a generation that has grown on a digital?

      I confess, too, at first thought so.
      Handwritten diaries are just a stereotype however.
      Many are now using an electronic calendar or notes on a computer or smartphone, anyway. And it never crossed my mind to call these entries a diary. Yes, and stored in the clouds ...
      And you see how it turns around ... The evidence is ready.
    4. Dmitriy Zadorozhniy
      Dmitriy Zadorozhniy 23 March 2020 20: 55 New
      +1
      Here is a generation that grew up in digital, and is trying not to leave tails in the digital. But they try to suck. About 20-40 years ago, the ball was a favorite phrase "not a telephone conversation." Big Brother is watching us.
  8. Nehist
    Nehist 23 March 2020 18: 32 New
    +1
    The most interesting thing is that this news is not available on Sakhalin resources.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 March 2020 19: 00 New
      -1
      Quote: Nehist
      The most interesting thing is that this news is not available on Sakhalin resources.

      And here everything is somehow dull. They write -
      The footage of the operative video footage of the detention was transferred to journalists. The video shows that the action took place in a private house outside the city where one of the suspects lived. You can also see physical evidence of illegal activity. teenagers..

      But neither the video itself nor the links are visible. request
      And up to what age is a person considered a teenager? Or is it from the opera "Onizhedeti" to evoke sympathy?
  9. Dmitriy Zadorozhniy
    Dmitriy Zadorozhniy 23 March 2020 20: 52 New
    0
    H as the next au. Schnicks? Well, register 15 years "dacha" from a good "owner". Not the fact that they will survive. Terrorists are not liked anywhere.
  10. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 23 March 2020 22: 37 New
    0
    Quote: Mikhail3
    It is simply enough that good people are tangibly strong and in reality occupy an important, much decisive place.

    It is necessary that there would be a lot of good, honest, decent people! Very much, the vast majority !.
  11. Cruel beaver
    Cruel beaver 23 March 2020 22: 45 New
    0
    Flog and send 10 years of snow in Siberia to clean ... (what is it? Yes, everything!)
  12. businessv
    businessv 23 March 2020 23: 07 New
    0
    engaged in the propaganda of terrorist activities, suicides and mass killings on the Internet.
    Where do they come from, with completely folded brains and landmarks. Without a rudder and without sails, in short.
  13. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 24 March 2020 00: 07 New
    0
    The current way of life bears its "fruits". In one word, being determines consciousness.
  14. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 24 March 2020 06: 43 New
    0
    All this, of course, is good ... the work of special services with the arrest of scumbags (what made them so is a question for the moles and the immediate environment) ... but somehow it all starts to resemble the right veil at the right time, which hides the accumulated tangle of problems and you need to start that is driven into the head of these two failed mokhushniks. The devastation in the heads, and not in the outhouse, is Professor Preobrazhensky (oh my God, this will always be relevant). In the 90s, a former friend of mine suggested making profitable and fashionable kidnapping: I didn’t sit down, but he didn’t die, because a random company passing by didn’t allow him to score - no influence of the state, high goals, school, institute and other verbal crap, for like that unacceptable to me to hate. In general, urodamimoral are not born. It’s sad because no one knows what gets out of us in a borderline state ... parents, take care of your children from an early age, the ears of problems stick out from there. soldier
    1. Kuzmitsky
      26 March 2020 18: 38 New
      0
      The words and deeds of parents were never the ultimate truth for adolescents. And it always has been. I don’t know about you, but I don’t see any logic in their actions. They take the lives of other, completely random people, maybe even their friends, and then themselves. There is no self-affirmation, no struggle with someone or something, no mercenary purpose. I don’t understand why they are doing this. But if such cases are repeated, then this is not individual episodes, but the system. Something or someone is able to inspire them to do this. And their arguments are more convincing than all the other arguments. Does anyone understand how and why this happens? Otherwise, the fight against this phenomenon is doomed to failure.
      1. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui 26 March 2020 19: 21 New
        0
        I have a different experience and attitude in terms of the authority of my parents ... I respected my own and listened and fucked up those who tried to say the slightest shit about my birthplaces ... well, as an answer, both of my grown boys have the ability to discuss ANY topics with me and under any angle. They are not born ugly, they become - especially when parents are up to one place with what their offspring is doing. So don't say never. You need to be able to explain the "cause and effect" to the kid, and not yell and break him over the knee, resulting in an embittered something. And the boys should always be in business adjusted for age, respectively. Parents sculpt in 90% what will then be formed from a once small miracle. The influence of the system in this case is not the dominant factor. Well, if the system is ugly, then God himself ordered him to pay increased attention to their development, no one will do this work for you.