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Mechanical Engineering of Russia and the USSR: Comparison in Figures and Facts

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Mechanical Engineering of Russia and the USSR: Comparison in Figures and Facts

In mid-February, the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, told RIA Newsthat the first production frigate of the project 22350 "Admiral fleet Kasatonov ”will be transferred to the Russian Navy in the first quarter of this year. March ends, but the Andreevsky flag above the new frigate is not yet visible.



Habits of the new time


It's time to get used to it. In recent years, it has become the rule to postpone publicly announced completion dates for facilities. So with the frigate "Fleet Admiral Kasatonov." He has already been promised several times to transfer to the fleet. Before that, they called the end of 2019.

Meanwhile, the frigate has been on the water for almost six years, and its construction has been going on since 2009. Is it a lot or a little? A ship of a completely different class comes to mind - the Admiral Nakhimov heavy nuclear missile cruiser of Project 1144 Orlan.

It was built in Soviet times in five and a half years. Now the cruiser is being modernized at the Severodvinsk Sevmash. The active phase of work has been going on here since 2013. The deadlines were called different. Now they say: “Admiral Nakhimov” will be handed over to the fleet by the end of 2021. Even if you take this term as final, it turns out that the cruiser will stand at the shipyard for more than three years more than it was under construction. Comparison, as we see, is not in favor of our time.

Similar examples can be found not only in shipbuilding, but also in other branches of mechanical engineering - basic in the country's industry. The nineties accustomed us to the fact that Russia in many ways lost its mechanical engineering, its volumes fell sharply. And indeed it is.

The share of the Soviet Union accounted for 20% of world industrial production. The Russian Federation then did not go separately into international accounting, but now the Association of German Engineering and Industrial Equipment Manufacturers in its analytics puts Russia in 23rd place - after Singapore, Finland and the Czech Republic.

You can, of course, complain about the bias of German experts, the fact that they estimate the volume of engineering products in euros, and not at purchasing power parity. However, there are other objective criteria, and they are not in favor of Russia.

Thus, the share of engineering in the industry of the USSR was about 40%. In developed countries, this indicator today is in the range of 30-50%. In Russia, engineering accounts for 15-20% of the total industrial output.

What have we lost?


According to expert estimates, in the post-Soviet period in Russia the production of combine harvesters decreased by 11 times, wheeled tractors - by 15, excavators - by 17, forage harvesters - by 20, bulldozers - by 29, tracked tractors - by 270 times.

This is only one part of engineering products. It is the most sensitive for the country, as it is associated with food production. The order of numbers here is as follows: in Germany, 1 tractors fall on 000 hectares of arable land, in the USA - 64, in Canada - 25, in Belarus - nine. In Russia, there are only three ...

In 2017, when we received a record crop of 134 million tons of grain, the Ministry of Agriculture calculated that about 10 million tons remained in uncleaned fields. In fact, money, labor of farmers, investment programs were buried in the ground. The reasons here are different - weather conditions, someone's sloppiness. But the main thing was the lack of harvesting equipment, which was directly connected with the failures in the domestic agricultural machinery industry.

Heavy engineering, civil aircraft manufacturing, construction equipment manufacturing and others also suffered serious losses. Better business in transport engineering. There is a drop, for example, in the manufacture of trucks, trolleybuses, large class buses, railway cars, etc.

But the production of cars has risen. It approached 2 million units versus 1,3 million throughout the USSR. Skeptics at the same time talk about the large volume of assembly of imported models (72%), but this is already the reality of globalization that has captured the world.

For the best share


Nuclear engineering can be added to the asset of the new Russia. Today it has taken the forefront in the world. He makes the most modern nuclear reactors, including fast neutrons, which are not found anywhere except in Russia. In the post-Soviet era, Russian nuclear scientists included two dozen reactors in the grid. Of these, seven are abroad of the Fatherland. Eight more power units are under construction there.

This is the most sought-after export asset of Russian civil engineering. To a greater extent than in other sectors, it is in line with the policies announced by the president in last year's Address to the Federal Assembly. Then Vladimir Putin set the task for industrialists to increase the export of high value-added products.

This is not an easy task. Western countries and China are not very disposed to buy products of Russian machine builders. Although its best samples are quite consistent with the world level, and even surpass it. This applies not only to nuclear reactors, but also to industrial robots, hydraulic presses, promising combine harvesters, freight locomotives and other equipment.

The export benchmark is caused by the desire of the authorities to increase foreign exchange earnings from non-commodity goods and replenish the country's reserves. The intention is laudable. However, the stability of the economy also depends on how satisfying domestic demand is engineering. World experience defines this indicator at the level of 70%. Moreover, the share of own elements in the product should be 40-60%.

The Soviet Union met these parameters and even exceeded them. Russia so far does not reach such criteria. Machine builders provide our domestic demand only 30-35% with a share of their own elements in 25-30%. So it is necessary to grow not only in breadth (for export), but also inland and to push foreign partners from the domestic market.

And for starters, it’s nice to put in place an elementary order with the discipline of supplies, the implementation of contracts and public promises. To make it less embarrassing, as with a statement on the timing of the transfer of the mentioned frigate.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 23 March 2020 07: 42 New
    +6
    It is necessary to ask the drivers and machine operators what is better and easier to work on, imported or domestic equipment, Volvo, Scania or KAMAZ.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 23 March 2020 08: 08 New
      +45
      Once again, I repeat the destruction of heavy machine building and machine tool building was carried out purposefully and at the moment the RF is not able to produce anything with the localization of at least 90%.
      About electronics, microelectronics, control systems, it’s better not to say anything at all, because the deceased is either good or nothing. Over the past 20 years, the Russian Federation has fallen from second place in the world to 23 after Singapore (rather, it’s flattery from experts), - here they are the real achievements of Putinism. settling down.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 23 March 2020 08: 09 New
        +24
        How so?! Sergeant Petrov told us here with a froth of mouth how Russian industry is booming! Sent us to the website made "Made with us" ... And then, it turns out, we are lagging behind seriously!

        . . He has already been promised several times to transfer to the fleet.

        Now the travelers will tell, they say, everything is in order - the main thing is to fix the jambs. A universal argument against indignant "whiners"! I just don’t understand one thing, why do I deliver on time, in their understanding, does that mean handing over with jambs?
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 23 March 2020 08: 25 New
          +16
          Quote: Stas157
          Now the messengers tell, they say, everything is in order -

          zatupintsy can tell any tales, believe in breakthroughs, outbursts, jerks in the hpp, in greatness of the great, in a stable stabilizer, in gusts, breaks gaps, only if the ship is built for 11 years, then it will quack from old age, standing against the wall.
          And then it will be even worse, if nothing was done except for the collapse in the rich zeros, then during the crisis the situation will steadily worsen with guaranteed "negative growth".
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 23 March 2020 08: 36 New
            +3
            The share of the Soviet Union accounted for 20% of world industrial production. The Russian Federation then did not go separately into international accounting, but now the Association of German Engineering and Industrial Equipment Manufacturers in its analytics puts Russia in 23rd place - after Singapore, Finland and the Czech Republic.

            23rd place in industrial development? Nonsense. But we are a superpower!

            Damn, some kind of oxymoron turns out ...
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 23 March 2020 08: 51 New
              +7
              Quote: Stas157

              23rd place in industrial development? Nonsense. But we are a superpower!
              Damn, some kind of oxymoron turns out ...

              There is a joke about such a bearded hedgehog:
              A hedgehog came out into the clearing and began to yell-I am the strongest, most intelligent, most beautiful!
              And woke the bear. A sleepy bear broke a hedgehog of a henchman.
              The hedgehog flew into the bushes, into a burdock, into a puddle of some kind ..
              He crawls out again into the clearing, shakes himself, and again mine — I am the strongest, most beautiful, most intelligent!
              -Bear broke his pincers even harder !!!
              For half an hour the hedgehog was gone, it gets out of the bushes, staggers, covered in thorns, in the mud, the snot hangs to the ground .. and already quietly so- I am the strongest, most beautiful, most intelligent ---, just, damn it, sooo easy!
              1. Heet
                Heet 23 March 2020 21: 27 New
                +3
                You and Stas157 are just made for each other.
              2. Mazuta
                Mazuta 24 March 2020 19: 08 New
                +1
                Hedgehog is a proud bird! until you kick, it will not fly ...
          2. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 23 March 2020 08: 56 New
            +25
            We have a stabilizer in one thing, we either stagnate stably (marking time) or fall steadily. In our country, the cessation of the fall or its suspension is presented as the greatest achievement of a team of effective managers, such as URA overpowered ... But in fact, complete negative zrada, well, in the sense of oops.
            Nobody watches the rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation? The bid is still being held, but the next meeting regarding the bid has been set in pa ... April 24th ... Guess how much the Central Bank rate will go up taking into account the oil war.
            I have one question, and when did our Kremlin clever men decide to start an oil war, did they consider all the risks for themselves? Or will ordinary people again have to pay for their calculations? However, this is a purely rhetorical question, the answer to it has long been known, so we are waiting for another crisis and breaking the bottom.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 23 March 2020 09: 10 New
              +20
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              I have one question, and when did our Kremlin clever men decide to start an oil war, did they consider all the risks for themselves?

              Alexei, they have calculated everything ... BUT for themselves. The solution is simple, to shift the results of their "effective management" onto the shoulders of the citizens .. Why bother, just cutting will depreciate again and the citizens will become even poorer .. and they are fine ..
              In this regard, it is not a small irritation that the managers cynically milk the country's population and at the same time sing praises to each other, change the Constitution for themselves, thereby depriving the country of even hope for some kind of development ..
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 23 March 2020 09: 20 New
                +14
                Vladimir, I agree. Here the matter is not even in the tricks themselves, but rather in their details. Now is the growing season. And while diesel prices still hold, but how much is this reserve? And actually, what is the ultimate goal of this war? Overshadow the US with its shales? It’s certainly a good deed, but how will it turn out for us?
                And then, only oligarchs will benefit from this war, for the common people, the losses of oil workers and gas workers will have to be covered from their own pockets, which has repeatedly been and will apparently continue to be, apparently. But I’m not at all interested in covering the losses of another Deripaska or Rotenberg, from the fact that the United States imposed sanctions on them.
                Well, there is no doubt that they will rewrite the Constitution. They have already voted for her, so nothing depends on our voice. They just want to get another approval from the people. But mowing, bite ... (smiley with a fig).
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 23 March 2020 09: 43 New
                  +13
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  Overshadow the US with its shales? It’s certainly a good deed, but how will it turn out for us?

                  In my opinion, pushing the United States with the “shale” is completely absurd .. The share of US oil and gas revenues is -7%, and in Russia 50%, and here you can easily see who will actually suffer from this war ..
                  But even this is not the main thing, but the main thing is that our leadership has no plan of action other than sitting on an oil needle ..
                  It is vital right now to revise the economic and political model of the state .. otherwise, in 10 years, African countries will teach us economics ..
                  -Russia is obliged to return under the complete control of the state (extraction of all natural resources, energy, large-scale industry, alcohol trafficking) the light industry to be handed over to private owners and to provide state support
                  и
                  accordingly, Russia should return to socialism.
                  -It is also necessary to reconsider your attitude to the post-Soviet countries, especially to Ukraine, Belarus ..
                  - Well, and most importantly .. all the efforts of the state in the economy should be directed to the production of goods with high added value, while it is necessary to concentrate on the domestic market of Russia and the CIS countries ..
                  These are the priorities I see.
                  1. Sergey Valov
                    Sergey Valov 23 March 2020 10: 14 New
                    -28
                    Quote: Svarog
                    These are the priorities I see.

                    Of course, you heard about the sharashka from the time of Stalin. Here in such a sharashka you are proposing to drive the whole country.
                    1. Wolverine
                      Wolverine 23 March 2020 17: 18 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Sergey Valov
                      Quote: Svarog
                      These are the priorities I see.

                      Of course, you heard about the sharashka from the time of Stalin. Here in such a sharashka you are proposing to drive the whole country.

                      I’m not going to be rude, though, under Stalin, do you name those 3000 enterprises that were built every year or those schools, hospitals and kindergartens? Yes, my friend Troll, and you’re not hiding already, it’s evident that they are already taking by the throat. wassat
                      1. Sergey Valov
                        Sergey Valov 23 March 2020 22: 58 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Wolverine
                        To Stalin, do you call those 3000 enterprises that were built every year or those schools, hospitals and kindergartens?

                        You must know the history of the country, my dear. For more than 70 years Sharashka has been called a design bureau in which engineers repressed before the war worked.
                      2. Siberian54
                        Siberian54 25 March 2020 04: 22 New
                        0
                        But how, in a pre-war mobilization economy, is it humane to make several sensible and talented people work for the goal, and not eat each other for a place at the trough?
                      3. Sergey Valov
                        Sergey Valov 25 March 2020 15: 23 New
                        0
                        Punish the ruble, tearing away from the feeder. It really helps. Apparently, you don’t know how to plant and shoot other measures. Farewell.
                      4. Siberian54
                        Siberian54 28 March 2020 06: 32 New
                        0
                        “Shoot”, this is to two fagots (berry, hedgehogs) -humans about the downed psyche, a normal family man came (just do not need about 100500 million youngsters from Moscow's gates) and all these Jews and others began to work for the defense of the state
                      5. Siberian54
                        Siberian54 28 March 2020 06: 41 New
                        0
                        “Rejection from the feeding trough”, here I am about how to humanely force them to WORK AND NOT THE SCRIPLES OF INTRIGUE as the same Yakovlev who remained at large and flunked Polikarpov, and it may be that they worked in “sharashka” and did not meet the country BF109 with machine-gun YAK 1 but with cannon Polikarpov.
                  2. Wolverine
                    Wolverine 25 March 2020 09: 32 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Sergey Valov
                    Quote: Wolverine
                    To Stalin, do you call those 3000 enterprises that were built every year or those schools, hospitals and kindergartens?

                    You must know the history of the country, my dear. For more than 70 years Sharashka has been called a design bureau in which engineers repressed before the war worked.


                    When the question is whether Russia’s survival or burns in crematoria is at stake, it’s impractical to be aloof with saboteurs and provocateurs, time has shown that it was justified. Now tell me how you brought the country to a state where the losses of the people long ago exceeded the losses in the Second World War and the economy in ruins.
                  3. Sergey Valov
                    Sergey Valov 25 March 2020 15: 21 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Wolverine
                    messing with saboteurs and provocateurs is impractical

                    Tupolev and Korolev - saboteurs and provocateurs? Further communication with you I consider unacceptable.
                  4. Siberian54
                    Siberian54 28 March 2020 06: 48 New
                    0
                    What are you talking about Korolev’s name (I can’t say anything specifically about Tupolev, I wasn’t interested, so I know that Yakovlev, having used the administrative resource before the end of his work as the People’s Commissar, was actively interfering with making and producing TU-2) if he had completed his financial operation in the nineties (he was lucky -I lived in the terrible Stalinist USSR) then he would just be dug up and possibly alive.
          3. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 22: 07 New
            +5
            And your way, we will come to the fact that we will become the second Honduras. Although probably still not Honduras, but Honduras. For we will not be able to control such a huge territory with a decreasing population pace. And with a shitty economy and such a difference in income between the rich and the poor, the result is quite predictable.
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 23 March 2020 10: 30 New
          +8
          Quote: Svarog
          -Russia is obliged to return under the complete control of the state (extraction of all natural resources, energy, large-scale industry, alcohol trafficking) the light industry to be handed over to private owners and to provide state support
          и
          accordingly, Russia should return to socialism.
          This your attack is not entirely clear: the bowels belong to the state (well, typical people, yeah!), The development of bowels is carried out on a competitive basis, taxes and fees are paid, the state has a share in the capital. What needs to be changed then? In our reality, with 146% of the company’s state ownership, Sechin will envy top managers.
          The same goes for energy and industry.
          Turnover of alcohol ... generally nonsense! So I need alcohol for technical needs (roughly speaking - wash my hands, spray on a car glass), but I have to use a terrible smell of isopropyl, which is even more toxic. I do not consider methanol - poison, does not fit. Alcohol is regulated in the most stupid way! In addition, if we talk about alcohol itself - this is a cheap liquid, but “drinks” are what it contains and the main price in them is water and other components.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 23 March 2020 11: 06 New
            +5
            Quote: Simargl
            This your attack is not entirely clear: the bowels belong to the state (well, typical people, yeah!),

            What is not clear here? All income, absolutely from sales of natural resources and alcohol, should be deposited in the pocket of the state ..
            1. DNS-a42
              DNS-a42 23 March 2020 11: 22 New
              +11
              Quote: Svarog
              What is not clear here? All income, absolutely from sales of natural resources and alcohol, should be deposited in the pocket of the state ..

              And then this income will go into the pockets of domestic oligarchs, because the state has privatized them for a long time. Until we get away from capitalism, any nationalization will remain zilch.
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 23 March 2020 11: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: DNS-a42
              Until we get away from capitalism, any nationalization will remain zilch.

              It goes without saying ..
              и
              accordingly, Russia should return to socialism.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 23 March 2020 14: 33 New
            -4
            Give data on the production of alcoholic products for the last year - to see firsthand the very amount of money which you are trying to enrich the federal budget.
          3. Simargl
            Simargl 23 March 2020 18: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            All income, absolutely from sales of natural resources and alcohol, should be deposited in the pocket of the state ..
            He already has to go ... must. Rent, taxes ... and the rest is for development and s / n.
            Once, “Armenian Radio” was asked: “What is the difference between socialism and capitalism?” ... answer: “under capitalism, a person exploits a person, and under socialism, the opposite!”.
        3. nickname7
          nickname7 24 March 2020 18: 52 New
          +1
          mineral resources belong to the state (well, typical people, huh!), the development of mineral resources is carried out on a competitive basis, taxes and fees are paid, the state has a share in the capital. What needs to be changed then?

          It’s your good reasoning, but you don’t know the materiel, Boldyrev announced the details about taxes and the state’s share, and so the state block of shares of Rosneft and Gazprom owns an intermediate desk Rosneftegaz through which most of the money is withdrawn past the budget. With the help of a cunning scheme, the bowels of the people were stolen.
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 24 March 2020 18: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: nickname7
            regarding taxes and state share
            Shares are, first of all, places in the board of directors, not dividends (they, of course, are also important). But state revenue from the same Rosneft - MET, for example ... there are a lot of taxes. So that...
            Roscosmos - state corporation. So what?
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 24 March 2020 19: 08 New
            0
            Quote: nickname7
            you do not know materiel

            Well, you certainly don’t know her.

            Quote: nickname7
            state-owned stake in Rosneft and Gazprom, owns an intermediate office - laying Rosneftegaz

            This is so.

            Quote: nickname7
            most of the money is withdrawn past the budget

            The word "big" is specifically superfluous. Guess why.

            Quote: nickname7
            bowels from the people stole

            Subsoil as it was, and remained the property of the state. Rosneftegaz owns (also, incidentally, 100% state-owned) - only blocks of shares in mining companies. No more..
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 23 March 2020 10: 54 New
        +8
        But even this is not the main thing, but the main thing is that our leadership has no plan of action other than sitting on an oil needle ..

        These have a plan, but only we are not visible in these plans. They deducted us from the account back in 91st.
      3. Vadim777
        Vadim777 23 March 2020 17: 05 New
        -2
        Legalization of prostitution is a hidden reserve for filling the budget
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      5. Heet
        Heet 23 March 2020 21: 38 New
        0
        "The share of US oil and gas revenues is -7%, and in Russia 50%"

        Where did you get the 50% income from oil and gas?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 March 2020 19: 42 New
          -1
          In general, the share in the Russian budget of oil and gas revenues for 2018 amounted to 24%.
          1. Siberian54
            Siberian54 25 March 2020 04: 29 New
            0
            And 7% is almost the budget of the Russian Federation ... Soft and sweet .. SAUDES hit on the whole industry which could lead to a Texas example in default.
          2. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 25 March 2020 08: 34 New
            +1
            In general, the share in the Russian budget of oil and gas revenues for 2018 amounted to 24%.

            https://www.rbc.ru/economics/22/08/2019/5d555e4b9a7947aed7a185de
            For the whole of 2018, according to the Ministry of Finance, oil and gas revenues amounted to 9 trillion rubles, or 46,3% of all federal budget revenues
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 23 March 2020 10: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      They will rewrite the constitution there is no doubt. They have already voted for her, so nothing depends on our voice.

      The fact is that the amendments have already been adopted in all the required institutions, it remains only to conduct a social survey in order to add legitimacy to the constitutional coup, but here I agree with you
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      . But mowing, bite ... (smiley with a fig).
  2. Serg65
    Serg65 23 March 2020 11: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    change the Constitution for themselves, thereby depriving the country of even hope for some kind of development ..

    laughing good Guys, who are you counting on ???
  • Simargl
    Simargl 23 March 2020 10: 13 New
    +4
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    I have one question, and when did our Kremlin clever men decide to start an oil war, did they consider all the risks for themselves?
    I dare to suggest that the wise men calculated the situation with COVID-19 correctly, namely, a drop in production, stagnation, an economic crisis, a drop in energy demand. And they did this not themselves, but together with the main "partners", because there is a howl, but some so-so.
    Well, the "oil war" from the category of the saying "burned down the shed - burn and hut": how to stretch the "pleasure" with the inevitable drop in energy prices, a good decision to drive the situation to a critical level (as long as there is money to compensate all this somehow).
    If you do not understand, the situation with oil prices would not be much better even without a “war”.
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 23 March 2020 10: 19 New
      +4
      Perhaps I agree. The stagnation of China due to the situation with the coronavirus will hurt all over the world, including the gas and oil market. The fall will be very decent, if not multiple. Here the question is different, but will we have all sorts of “pillows” from all kinds of stabilization funds?
      In the current situation, the 2008 crisis may seem like flowers. The situation is still being held up, but how long will it last? And then, the losses will be colossal and the gentlemen, the oligarchs will try to compensate for any losses at our expense with you, do not go to the grandmother.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 23 March 2020 10: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        The stagnation of China due to the situation with the coronavirus will hurt all over the world, including the gas and oil market.
        Along the way, Europe will fly stronger. The Europeans picked up the “baton” - they somehow need to deal with the migrants.
        I get the impression - this is not an evil virus (yes, they die from it, people feel sorry for it, you need to follow safety measures), but a magic wand (magic crown).
        I am not a supporter of the version that COVID-19 is man-made, but the fact that it is used for political purposes is a fact.
        Will there be enough resources? I repeat: the problem is that COVID-19 already influences, influences negatively, the problem would have to be faced without a “war”, but here there is an opportunity to take advantage of the situation.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 23 March 2020 10: 46 New
    0
    I have one question, and when did our Kremlin clever men decide to start an oil war, did they consider all the risks for themselves? Or will ordinary people again have to pay for their calculations?

    For themselves, they calculated, as well as the fact that they would blow on us.
  • Victor N
    Victor N 23 March 2020 11: 15 New
    -16
    Everything will be fine, don’t croak. And it is built and produced (by us) how much is obtained. And production tasks for Putin and Mishustin personally are not relied upon.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 23 March 2020 11: 37 New
    -2
    Quote: Malyuta
    if in the rich zeros nothing was done except for the collapse,

    what Malyuta, this is a consequence of the coronovirus ???
  • 16329
    16329 23 March 2020 17: 07 New
    +3
    The main markets of Soviet industry were lost during the collapse of the USSR and the socialist camps; throughout the 90s there was no talk of credit support for own exports (such as HERMÈS, Eximbank Japan, etc)
    In times of high oil prices, in general, any production was crushed by import
    The chance of domestic industry gives only a weak ruble
    In general, this is a great achievement that in Russia mechanical engineering was generally preserved and even developing
    And do not forget that most of the engineering centers for various purposes, especially the high-tech areas, remained in the former republics, the newly independent states, and their fate was often even worse
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 22: 16 New
      +1
      Thanks, Cap. You better tell me what we will do with poverty, shitty demography and other industrial growth at the level of statistical error. About the grave legacy of the bloody scoop, we kind of know.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 22: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: 16329
      In general, this is a great achievement that in Russia mechanical engineering was generally preserved and even developing

      Yes, I look generally fucked up in the attack. What further do you write down to your credit for effective ones? The fact that not all the people were killed?
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 23 March 2020 08: 27 New
    +5
    And he proved it to everyone. And argued about and without. Although, as you noticed, I could not give personal examples - everything got off with links.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 23 March 2020 08: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And he proved it to everyone. And argued about and without. Although, as you noticed, I could not give personal examples - everything got off with links.

      They have problems with argumentation in general, all that they are capable of is to naughty and to throw minuses ..
      1. ximkim
        ximkim 23 March 2020 08: 51 New
        +6
        [/ quote] They have problems with argumentation in general, all that they can do is to cheat and throw minuses .. [quote]


        They now have hyper-winged missiles in their heads.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 23 March 2020 11: 45 New
        -7
        Quote: Svarog
        all that they are capable of is to naughty and to throw minuses ..

        bully One in one action of your gang!
  • DMB 75
    DMB 75 23 March 2020 08: 44 New
    +18
    the production of combine harvesters decreased by 11 times, wheeled tractors - 15, excavators - 17, forage harvesters - 20, bulldozers - 29, tracked tractors - 270 times.

    What else can I talk about, what kind of comparison of engineering in Russia and the USSR? Heaven and earth.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 23 March 2020 11: 47 New
      -7
      Quote: DMB 75
      What else can I talk about, what kind of comparison of engineering in Russia and the USSR? Heaven and earth.

      Now select from the USSR-RSFSR and your sky will become much closer to the earth! wink
      1. Cresta999
        Cresta999 23 March 2020 13: 40 New
        +11
        I emphasize: in one day in the RSFSR in 1975 701 tractors were produced (link: http://elib.shpl.ru/ru/nodes/23939-v-1980-godu-1981#mode/inspect/page/24/zoom/ 4). 2019 tractors were produced in the Russian Federation in one day in 18,9 (link: https://zen.yandex.ru/media/zavodfoto/skolko-traktorov-i-kombainov-bylo-proizvedeno-v-rossii-v-2019- godu-5e5529413921b63e20616636). Is it easier and closer to you? With all due respect, I doubt it.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 March 2020 14: 46 New
          -5
          Technical characteristics of the tractors that were produced in the USSR in 1975 and those that are now being produced, compare and also add to this lack of spare parts for Soviet tractors - they were assembled from two, or it was even easier to write out a new one - it is understandable why now tractors are produced less.
          1. victor50
            victor50 23 March 2020 15: 13 New
            +10
            Quote: Vadim237
            Technical characteristics of tractors that were produced in the USSR in the 1975th and those

            What has been there since 1975! Technical characteristics of non-manufactured equipment are best compared with 1913! For you. It's better! laughing And anyway: what kind of tractor in the RSFSR (USSR) !? Only galoshes did! lol How are we with the present genius of everyone and everything in ... the 23rd place we ended up ?! laughing
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 23 March 2020 16: 30 New
              -12
              In the civilian sector, galoshes were really made - but the whole world does not stand still like progress and a lot of time has passed since 1975 - there are a lot of things being produced in the world and there are more countries involved in production. China has shown the best in this regard. And in order to produce something, we need markets, alas, with those ears that we got from the USSR, foreign manufacturers quickly mastered our market in all areas - they also mastered the markets of 30 neighboring republics 14 years after the collapse of the USSR. And 500000 complaints in 1988 speak for themselves of the quality of our civil galoshes.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 22: 21 New
                -1
                Well, you’ve been effective at ruining everything that you could reach. No matter how it worked. They drank the same energy so that Moscow lived without light and a catastrophe was arranged at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 24 March 2020 19: 58 New
                  -1
                  Still dying in the USSR, riveting outdated physically and morally civilian products didn’t work for the market, but for the plan - imported in the 90s simply crushed the gap in production chains, for enterprises with depreciation of fixed assets from 50 to 90%, you at least put money on new equipment there is no dilapidated salary debt, the workers run away to preserve; it makes no sense since it also requires a lot of money - you can’t preserve the workers, after the equipment has expired it will be finally completely easier to demolish and build new ones - but the same needs money in the country and they appeared in the state only after 2000.
                2. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 25 March 2020 10: 36 New
                  0
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Still dying in the USSR, riveting outdated physically and morally civilian products didn’t work for the market, but for the plan - imported in the 90s simply crushed the gap in production chains, for enterprises with depreciation of fixed assets from 50 to 90%, you at least put money on new equipment there is no dilapidated salary debt, the workers run away to preserve; it makes no sense since it also requires a lot of money - you can’t preserve the workers, after the equipment has expired it will be finally completely easier to demolish and build new ones - but the same needs money in the country and they appeared in the state only after 2000.

                  Yes of course. About the fact that the problems in the USSR were serious, I kind of know. You better tell me if the burn shed and hut burned down? Should everything be bad to make things worse? So you are effective and robbed the country all 90s instead of developing production. And now, in principle, you are doing the same thing. Only in a more decent form. They have no money. And who was yelling about a holy investment? How investors will come and how everything around here will be all right and just fine.
          2. Victor N
            Victor N 23 March 2020 17: 38 New
            -1
            23rd place, like other ratings - is the skill of the Methodists.
            1. victor50
              victor50 23 March 2020 20: 00 New
              +6
              Quote: Victor N
              23rd place, like other ratings - is the skill of the Methodists.

              Will you put it higher? What equipment do we sell besides the nuclear power industry mentioned in the article? And how much is even an import component in it?
              1. Victor N
                Victor N 24 March 2020 15: 29 New
                +1
                Is it worth it to find out and argue? It is necessary to produce.
                In the USSR, a lot of unnecessary and low-quality equipment was produced. Sometimes it seemed like a planned diversion.
              2. victor50
                victor50 24 March 2020 19: 28 New
                +2
                Quote: Victor N
                Is it worth it to find out and argue? It is necessary to produce.
                In the USSR, a lot of unnecessary and low-quality equipment was produced. Sometimes it seemed like a planned diversion.

                It was! Only rockets flew, which are now falling.
              3. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 25 March 2020 10: 38 New
                +2
                And the fact that your import substitution is often a screwdriver assembly with shitty localization is apparently too much?
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 22: 18 New
          +1
          And yet he is right, the performance of the equipment is different.
          1. victor50
            victor50 24 March 2020 03: 32 New
            0
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            And yet he is right, the performance of the equipment is different.

            so 30 years have passed! And from 1975 -45! Then 1913 from 1958! For VO relevant tanks, planes! Yes, and the tractor too. wink
      2. Cresta999
        Cresta999 25 March 2020 16: 06 New
        0
        So compare. Give an analysis of the technical characteristics. The number of spare parts, running hours in the main units, maintainability. Do you have such data, or is “everything clear already”?
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 24 March 2020 10: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Cresta999
      in one day in the RSFSR in 1975 produced 701 tractors

      for post-Soviet time in Russia the production of wheel tractors - in 15tracked tractors - 270 times. Author

      By means of tricky calculations, it turns out that in Russia 2,7 tractors are produced per day!
      In this regard, the question arises ... who is right, you or the author ???
      Quote: Cresta999
      Is it easier and closer to you?

      What is easier and closer?
      1. Cresta999
        Cresta999 25 March 2020 17: 56 New
        0
        I have provided links. Production data in the RSFSR are taken from official statistics. Data on production in the Russian Federation is taken from a newspaper article. In any case, the trend is clearly visible. So who is right is not important. The conclusion is the same.
        As for the easier and closer - read your post above.
  • 16329
    16329 23 March 2020 17: 09 New
    0
    In an open market and without credit support, the former Soviet engineering industry was crushed, so evaluate its level accordingly
    1. victor50
      victor50 23 March 2020 20: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: 16329
      In an open market and without credit support, the former Soviet engineering industry was crushed, so evaluate its level accordingly

      And what super companies will survive and remain competitive under such conditions? And if you add to this the conscious destruction of some industries?
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 22: 25 New
      +6
      Let us tell you these fables about the open market. Of course, no one has canceled the competition, but then tell that it’s all so honest that you tell fairy tales to someone else. And with regards to credit support, the same thing.
  • Nemchinov Vl
    Nemchinov Vl 25 March 2020 00: 54 New
    -1
    Quote: DMB 75
    the production of combine harvesters decreased by 11 times, wheeled tractors - 15, excavators - 17, forage harvesters - 20, bulldozers - 29, tracked tractors - 270 times.

    What else can I talk about, what kind of comparison of engineering in Russia and the USSR? Heaven and earth.
    no -
    Quote: Serg65
    Now select from the USSR-RSFSR and your sky will become much closer to the earth!
    good because in Ukraine there remained KhTZ (Kharkov Tractor, for example) Kherson (where combine harvesters were made under the Union) MTZ (Minsk Tractor, now in Belarus), etc. .... - Serg65 (Sergey) noticed absolutely true! hi
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 23 March 2020 08: 56 New
    +3
    The issue of starting height. "Booming" is not equal to "Developed."
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 23 March 2020 09: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    Sergeant Petrov was telling us with foam

    What kind of sergeant is he? If it is written by Mr. Petrov, it is possible to interpret the reduction as a sergeant. And if Mr. Petrov, then this is either a citizen of Petrov, or "I can’t speak Petrov." Because If the character has serious problems with silence, then definitely the number 1 option.
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    2. Serg65
      Serg65 23 March 2020 11: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Because If the character has serious problems with silence, then definitely the number 1 option.

      laughing And Ms. Shi understands you and there’s nothing to talk about!
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 23 March 2020 13: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Serg65
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Because If the character has serious problems with silence, then definitely the number 1 option.

        laughing And Ms. Shi understands you and there’s nothing to talk about!

        C'mon, you hi She, it, they can be Kerensky’s great-grandson, ordinary reincarnation, you can immediately see that dancing a little, then something is interfering. yes
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 23 March 2020 13: 44 New
          -1
          Quote: ul_vitalii
          She, it, they can be Kerensky’s great-grandson

          Well Vitaly, I’m not even surprised at this, because the program expressed by Ms. Shi’s comrades at least upon coming to power is nothing more than a program of the Menshevik RSDLP! hi
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 23 March 2020 15: 24 New
        -5
        Quote: Serg65
        And Ms. Shi takes you apart nothing to talk about!

        They didn’t ask you! Or did you imagine yourself a moderator?
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 24 March 2020 11: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Stas157
          They didn’t ask you!

          belay So you are this same Ms. Shi?
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 23 March 2020 09: 03 New
    +14
    Quote: Stas157
    Now the travelers will tell, they say, everything is in order - the main thing is to fix the jambs. A universal argument against indignant "whiners"!

    Zaputintsy yesterday shook reference to the construction of the Zvezda shipyard. Of course, it’s a good thing, no doubt, but damn it, on a national scale, it’s a drop in the bucket, and even compared to the USSR, there’s nothing to discuss.
    1. ultra
      ultra 23 March 2020 10: 00 New
      +9
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      . It certainly is a good thing, no doubt,

      Chinese firms are building, projects of gas carriers, for the sake of which they started construction, are imported. Accordingly, there will be import equipment, 80 percent.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 March 2020 14: 50 New
        +1
        Two gantry cranes of 320 tons each were manufactured at Uralmash.
        1. ultra
          ultra 23 March 2020 16: 45 New
          +1
          I am so happy for the Uralmashevists.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 23 March 2020 11: 50 New
      -8
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Zaputintsy shook the link yesterday

      what But what can shock the platoshkintsy and Zakhodorkivtsy?
      1. A good one
        A good one 23 March 2020 14: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Serg65
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Zaputintsy shook the link yesterday

        what But what can shock the platoshkintsy and Zakhodorkivtsy?

        Yes, the same, only half past six it is easier to take them, they are still calves. laughing
      2. krops777
        krops777 23 March 2020 16: 43 New
        -3
        But what can shock the platoshkintsy and Zakhodorkivtsy?


        And they cannot shake anything, they can wave flags at VO only, in each article the same commentators, the same comments about how everything is bad in our country, apparently they are not capable of more.
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 22: 33 New
        -1
        So this is a question for you. They are from your liberal capitalist camp.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 24 March 2020 07: 22 New
          -2
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          They are from your liberal capitalist camp.

          belay Platoshkin, Grudinin liberals ?????
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 24 March 2020 12: 04 New
            -1
            Quote: Serg65
            Platoshkin, Grudinin liberals ?????

            And who do you think? Is it a Platoshkin socialist with his demagogy about the possibility of winning with the help of bourgeois elections and the builder of the fabulous "capitalist socialism"? Or a medium-sized capitalist sternin? They are both two, if not stupidly a trick of political strategists, then they are definitely used. How people were divorced to participate in elections with the help of sternum is just a fairy tale. And as I did not convince everyone with whom I said that it was all a show for the sake of increasing the turnout percentage, all to no avail. TRYING WE WILL VOTE AGAINST / FOR Grudinin! HE IS FOR A PEOPLE / HE IS AN AGENT OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT AT HIS ACCOUNT IN THE SWISS BANK !!!!! That's all, come. You will listen to this, and involuntarily doubts will begin to creep into the possibility of building at least socialism in the society of such narrow-minded people.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 24 March 2020 12: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              involuntarily, doubts will begin to creep into the possibility of building at least socialism in the society of such narrow-minded people.

              And what is socialism in your understanding?
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 25 March 2020 10: 43 New
                0
                The dictatorship of the proletariat and public ownership of the means of production.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 25 March 2020 11: 07 New
                  -2
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Dictatorship of the proletariat

                  Ie the proletariat rules over the rest of the people? But simply equality does not roll as usual?
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  public ownership of the means of production.

                  Man, you know, from Soviet times did not understand this nonsense! Public property is how? Can you explain this to me?
                2. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 29 March 2020 19: 38 New
                  0
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Ie the proletariat rules over the rest of the people? But simply equality does not roll as usual?

                  No, it’s not rolling. You are stupid for equality.
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Man, you know, from Soviet times did not understand this nonsense! Public property is how? Can you explain this to me?

                  This is when an effective manager cannot throw a couple of hundred people into the cold and close the plant, but they can.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 23 March 2020 14: 49 New
    0
    In addition to the Stars in Russia, much more is being built, for example, a medical cluster in the Minvody on an area of ​​239 hectares.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 22: 44 New
      +2
      This is all just wonderful. Tell me what the hell our doctors last year went on strike. If so, everything is great with medicine. Everything like medicine with us is just wonderful to listen to you. And you come to the clinic suddenly the opposite is true. And it’s so much the other way round that he got a little bit cooler when he collided. A long time ago I was not there, but then I suddenly had to. Two weeks of instances of calls before the case got off the ground. In general, such results of the optimization of medicine that if we continue to continue the 90th paradise seem.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 24 March 2020 07: 24 New
        -1
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Everything like medicine with us is just wonderful to listen to you.

        And you, collaborators, do not need to listen and go to the circus laughing
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 24 March 2020 12: 11 New
          -2
          Quote: Serg65
          And you, collaborators, do not need to listen and go to the circus laughing

          Collaborators are you all. The builders of Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok. Suddenly they became patriots when they poked your boot in the snout in your bright west and indicated a place at the trough with scraps.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 24 March 2020 12: 43 New
            0
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Collaborators are you all

            If all are traitors, and you are the only one in pink, then I'm not a psychiatrist bully
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 25 March 2020 10: 41 New
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              If all are traitors, and you are the only one in pink, then I'm not a psychiatrist

              And what else remains for you to say as a patriot for a small price. Only off topic.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 25 March 2020 11: 09 New
                -2
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Only off topic.

                Those. in psychiatry are you not selenium like a communist?
              2. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 29 March 2020 19: 40 New
                -1
                To diagnose you with knowledge in the field of psychiatry is not required.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 March 2020 20: 02 New
      0
      And where did I write that everything is in order with medicine? And you do not attribute me to anyone.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 29 March 2020 19: 41 New
        0
        Well, you have a singer who has overcome effective management.
  • 16329
    16329 23 March 2020 17: 12 New
    +5
    What are the comparable enterprises of the USSR, remember in what country they remained and in what condition they are now.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 23 March 2020 09: 31 New
    -6
    On Done, of course, inadequate people live on us, but they take at least actual news, and not invent it from their heads.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 23 March 2020 11: 35 New
    -6
    Quote: Stas157
    And here, it turns out, we are lagging behind seriously!

    what And here is a certain Granovsky, who turns out to be an irrefutable expert in the Soviet and Russian economies? In general, Granovsky is an excellent expert! In total, 1/3 of the facts in the article are far-fetched, 1/3 of pure lies and only 1/3 of pure truth! Stas and how do you want to enter Paradise on this?
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 25 March 2020 01: 10 New
      -2
      Quote: Serg65
      And here is a certain Granovsky, who turns out to be an irrefutable expert in the Soviet and Russian economies? In general, Granovsky is an excellent expert! In total, 1/3 of the facts in the article are far-fetched, 1/3 of pure lies and only 1/3 of pure truth!
      repeat why an expert. just a man formulated his opinion (vision) request well, and not in everything he’s so wrong, -
      In mid-February, the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, told RIA Novosti that the first serial frigate of Project 22350 Admiral of the Fleet Kasatonov would be transferred to the Russian Navy in the first quarter of this year. March ends, but the Andreevsky flag above the new frigate is not yet visible.
      winked yes and -
      Meanwhile, the frigate has been on the water for almost six years, and its construction has been going on since 2009. Is it a lot or a little?
      A ship of a completely different class comes to mind - the Admiral Nakhimov heavy projectile rocket cruiser of Project 1144 Orlan. It was built in Soviet times in five and a half years. Now the cruiser is being modernized at Severodvinsk Sevmash. The active phase of work has been going on here since 2013. The deadlines were called different. Now they say: “Admiral Nakhimov” will be handed over to the fleet by the end of 2021. Even if you take this term as final, it turns out that the cruiser will stand at the shipyard for more than three years more than it was under construction. Comparison, as we see, is not in favor of our time.
      yes
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 25 March 2020 07: 59 New
        -3
        Quote: Nemchinov Vl
        man formulated his opinion (vision)

        Vladimir, I have the opinion that Lenin is a traitor to the Motherland, for which Stalin killed him, but I don’t wave my opinion under everyone’s nose!
        Quote: Nemchinov Vl
        In mid-February, the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov said

        Rakhmanov, what side to the entry into operation of this frigate? Starley, the commander of the group, will not put his squiggle in the act of transfer and acceptance and will not commission the frigate .. because Starley does not like how it works, the unit is accountable to him .... and hello to Rakhmanov! Thank God, the Soviet methods of delivering ships to the fleet have sunk into the summer!
        Quote: Nemchinov Vl
        the cruiser will stand at the shipyard for more than three years more than it was under construction. Comparison, as we see, is not in favor of our time.

        laughing Vladimir, your opinion is more important to you, but you really don't care for real reasons !!!!
        1. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 26 March 2020 00: 32 New
          -1
          Quote: Serg65
          Quote: Nemchinov Vl
          man formulated his opinion (vision)
          Vladimir, I have the opinion that Lenin is a traitor to the Motherland,
          Imagine with me (I completely agree with you on this .. smile
          Quote: Serg65
          for which Stalin hurt him, but I don’t wave my opinion under everyone’s nose!
          Well, that .. repeat we are with you do not wave, and the author of the article does not hesitate to put his thoughts on public display (and sometimes condemnation) ... what yes .. We are all different ... yes it’s easier for us to discuss, and he will pour out his soul in the article, and only then be inspired by its discussion .. belay nothing bad, I don’t see ....
          Quote: Serg65
          Rakhmanov, what side to the entry into operation of this frigate?
          ?! Oh oh ?! belay fellow
          Quote: Serg65
          Starley, the commander of the group, will not put his squiggle in the act of transfer and acceptance and will not commission the frigate .. because Starley does not like how it works, the unit is accountable to him .... and hello to Rakhmanov!
          - blessed is he who believes .. !!
          Quote: Serg65
          Thank God, the Soviet methods of delivering ships to the fleet have sunk into the summer!
          I personally believe in this version very weakly what but I won’t argue hi Although thank God or not (comparing with the Union?!) .... request
          But in your last citation, you completely confused authorship by assigning me - a quote from the author of the article itself ...?! belay wink and saying -
          Quote: Serg65
          Vladimir, the main thing is YOUR opinion
          although the opinion of the author of the article was quoted .... laughing good
          Quote: Serg65
          But the real reasons for you do not care !!!!
          Not certainly in that way. We don't care sad we lack information ... yes
          Well, so "dilute the debate" и "grind the atmosphere", I allow myself a small digression from the topic of discussion of the article, aside epigrams in the spirit of Soviet satirists, -
          "Friend, you must admit - these are FANTASY times now !! Who could imagine such a time before ?! When, in a country, it will be easier to pick up an infection, not from a homeless person, but from" people with chains "who returned to the country from Courchevel !!! ...?! wink laughing lol

          With uv. Vladimir Peace to you !!
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 23 March 2020 14: 27 New
    -8
    Develops over the past year in Russia produced 79000 wagons - what is not an indicator of the growth of engineering.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 23: 04 New
      -1
      Tell me more about sugar. And at the same time tell me why you had to close three plants. All are so effective, but for some reason they didn’t sell excess sugar on the international market.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 24 March 2020 20: 04 New
        0
        I don’t deal with sugar - I have just the production of components for mechanical engineering.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 23 March 2020 19: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Stas157
    I just don’t understand one thing, why do I deliver on time, in their understanding, does that mean handing over with jambs?

    Because because of them, the change is delayed until everyone completes it.
  • gvozdan
    gvozdan 23 March 2020 08: 24 New
    -10
    For 10 years in the 90s everything was wonderful, and with the advent of GDP, everything suddenly began to fall?
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 23 March 2020 08: 47 New
      +7
      Quote: gvozdan
      For 10 years in the 90s everything was wonderful, and with the advent of GDP, everything suddenly began to fall?

      Interesting as well if it weren’t for the 90s, against the background of what would the confreres invent their successes?
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 11: 33 New
        -12
        And if it were not for the 90s, then there would still be a scoop. With lines, coupons and other delights of "developed socialism"
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 23 March 2020 11: 40 New
          -3
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          would be scoop. With queues, coupons and other delights of "developed socialism"

          Well, you are constantly broadcasting your total rejection of everything Soviet here! But overwhelming majority people who caught the USSR (including myself) consider it completely different.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 11: 54 New
            -3
            You see, our current troubles are a direct continuation of communist rule. And we did not have Soviet, that is, popular, power. The power of the CPSU has nothing to do with the people. In the end, it was not the People’s Deputies, but the Communists who destroyed the Power. So why should I love them? And the late USSR was really absurd, I remember it very well.
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              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 23 March 2020 23: 42 New
                -2
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                He never once expressively expressed the interests of the people.

                Makar, and let’s abstract a little? Why did you decide that the right government is one that expresses exclusively "the interests of the people"?

                Whose interests did he express, for example ... but did Stalin himself when he fought Korea? Or Brezhnev - Vietnam - Afghanistan? Really forced the interests of the people? wink
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 23: 57 New
                  0
                  You want to say that Stalin helped Korea solely on the basis of his ambitions and thirst for power? And whose interests?
                  Abramovich and Deripaska? Well then, wait for the next 1917 year. And then do not whine in exile about the machinations of the German General Staff and other Euro-massons with the Rothschilds.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 24 March 2020 00: 04 New
                    -2
                    Makar, reduce the heat. Question: Do you think that a correct, suitable government should express only and exclusively the interests of the people? How do the local boilheads understand them, for example, if you know what I mean.

                    The question is abstract, I do not say anything yet.
                  2. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 24 March 2020 00: 14 New
                    0
                    Good. Let not the boil. So whose interests?
                  3. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 24 March 2020 00: 27 New
                    -2
                    Damn, Makar, we've known each other for a long time. I have to answer a question with a question, it's ... wrong laughing

                    Once again: is a good, suitable power obliged to express exclusively the "interests of the people"? Or are there any other interests (interests of the state as a whole, for example) that may differ from the “interests of the people” and should also be, at a minimum, taken into account by a good, suitable government?

                    Okay, you think, but I went to sleep. I get up after 6 hours and go to work march request
                  4. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 24 March 2020 00: 41 New
                    -2
                    If the interests of the people do not coincide with the interests of the state, then ... Continue next? The state is not something spherical in a vacuum. Good good power can do nothing with class contradictions, only smooth it out a little. And good good power is still an instrument for protecting the interests of the ruling class. Otherwise, good good power will not be good and worthless and will go to landfill. Actually, all this was quite predictable for the Marxist.
          2. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 25 March 2020 01: 24 New
            -2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Whose interests did he express, for example ... but did Stalin himself when he fought Korea?
            - Excuse me, but did the USSR send troops into Korea ?! request
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Or Brezhnev - ......- Afghan? Really forced the interests of the people?
            and here, perhaps I would have answered - "Yes" !! yes For the USSR, this is the southern border, from where terrorists “programmed” and trained in Pakistan could then come (and later arrived !!)! It is a fact yes But what are the Americans looking for in Afghanistan (and previously the British have repeatedly)?! The proximity of borders ?! The threat of global terrorism ?! Or just control drug trafficking in Central Asia ?! ... sad
      2. Captain Nemo
        Captain Nemo 24 March 2020 21: 08 New
        -1
        Soviet power was crushed by Khrushchev, instead of the Communists, power in the Kremlin was seized by the snickering party nomenclature, supported by the West.
    2. Titus
      Titus 24 March 2020 00: 43 New
      0
      Yeah ... I agree because the scoop in his head in the first place.
  • Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 23 March 2020 15: 01 New
    -1
    With lines, coupons and other delights of "developed socialism"

    I went to the store yesterday to buy beans for soup ... No!
    And there are no coupons! This can already be considered "the delights of undeveloped hoof-hoofing" ???
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 23: 08 New
    0
    That is, you sign in fact in your total dementia. For all that was enough for you to wander in the tail of world capital and gnaw scraps from the master's table.
  • Serg65
    Serg65 23 March 2020 11: 53 New
    -1
    Quote: Stas157
    if it weren’t for the 90s, on the background of what would the traitors invent their successes?

    If there weren’t the 90s, then you would have spilled mud at the Union in the kitchen, what difference does it make to you. wink
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 13: 45 New
      -2
      And what, there was no reason to water the scoop? In my opinion there were more than enough of them.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 23 March 2020 13: 56 New
        0
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        And what, there was no reason to water the scoop?

        Some people are petty in nature and they will never please and will be watered by the Union (I do not like the word scoop, it is unpleasant for me), that of modern Russia!
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      1. Serg65
        Serg65 23 March 2020 14: 00 New
        -5
        Quote: Stas157
        So slam it blew!

        Oh what is that? A voice from under the key?
        Quote: Stas157
        Truncated?

        Not truncated ... so what?
        Quote: Stas157
        Can you give at least one fact one fact that I watered the Union?

        I'll under the Union did not know wink
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 23 March 2020 15: 13 New
          -5
          Quote: Serg65
          I did not know you in the Union

          Well, then do not grind, which is not getting! Your fantasies about my person are not at all appropriate here.
          Quote: Serg65
          Oh what is that? Voice from under the key?

          Are you sleeping at the club? I didn’t think that everything was so sad with you.
          Quote: Serg65
          Not truncated ... so what?

          Do not worry. Still truncate!))
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 24 March 2020 10: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Stas157
            Well, then do not grind, which is not getting!

            Well, if I didn’t know you during the Union, this doesn’t mean at all that during the Union you didn’t howl like now, I am even 100% sure that the absence of jeans and sneakers caused you hysterical attacks!
            Quote: Stas157
            Your fantasies about my person are not at all appropriate here.

            And this is not a fantasy !!
            Quote: Stas157
            Are you sleeping at the club?

            laughing I’m at a cabinet ... wink
            Quote: Stas157
            Still truncate!))

            what Did the truncation grow?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 24 March 2020 11: 10 New
              -7
              Quote: Serg65
              I’m at the door.

              Are you hoping for a normal bed, you don’t have enough money? Not even surprised!

              Quote: Serg65
              well if i didn't know you under the Union

              So leave your thoughts and chuiki with you. There is nothing to slander people to do.

              Quote: Serg65
              Did the truncation grow?

              Do you want to check?)) Don’t worry, you don’t need a big one!))))
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 24 March 2020 11: 38 New
                +3
                Quote: Stas157
                Are you hoping for a normal bed, you don’t have enough money?

                And I'm one of those hundreds of millions of beggars for whom you pour rivers of tears! wink
                Quote: Stas157
                There is nothing to slander people to do.

                laughing Can you, why can't I?
                Quote: Stas157
                Do you want to check?

                Want! I want to understand how much anger and meanness is in you, either from an inferiority complex based on a small amount, or from a mental childhood trauma due to the fact that chocolates were selected in kindergarten?
              2. Stas157
                Stas157 24 March 2020 11: 45 New
                -7
                Quote: Serg65
                Can you, why can't I?

                All the same, you acknowledge that you are engaged in a reservation! Progress. The next step is to admit that it's mean!
                Quote: Serg65
                so much anger and meanness, whether from an inferiority complex based on a small amount, whether from mental childhood trauma due to the fact that chocolates were selected in kindergarten

                Why do I need your life details? After all, it is clear that there is nothing to boast about!
              3. Serg65
                Serg65 24 March 2020 12: 02 New
                +1
                Quote: Stas157
                The next step is to admit that it's mean!

                Those. you admit that lying is mean! what Why are you lying?
                Quote: Stas157
                Why do I need your life details?

                laughing Did your dad work as a switchman?
                Quote: Stas157
                After all, it is clear that there is nothing to boast about!

                I have something to boast about, unlike you, always offended! wink
  • 16329
    16329 23 March 2020 17: 14 New
    +4
    The fact is that there were 90s and their consequences will affect for a long time, I generally wonder how the country survived these years, so it’s better to remain silent on this subject
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 23: 24 New
      -1
      No, really. Are you proposing to sweep the robbery of the people under the carpet because you are so comfortable and calmer? So as not to move from the trough? Fuck there. We will not forget, we will not forgive.
      1. 16329
        16329 24 March 2020 11: 17 New
        +5
        Will privatized apartments also be taken away?
        This, too, was a “people's property”
        In the USSR, property was not public, but state (collective farm cooperative is not considered here), the state disposed of property as decided by the leadership, elected democratically with the support of the majority of the population,
        And what happened, something happened
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 24 March 2020 12: 33 New
          -3
          Quote: 16329
          Will privatized apartments also be taken away?

          They compared an enterprise for a couple of billion dollars and an apartment. And yes, and that the majority of owners squeezed out apartments as illegally and with the help of fraudulent schemes as enterprises? By the way, as for the return, none of the capitalists would agree to return the factory even if everyone agrees to return the apartments. Just because they are not. What the hell is that for? Bullshit attempt miserable demagoguery, try again.
          Quote: 16329
          In the USSR, property was not public, but state

          Actually, in that case, it was just popular because it was state-owned. Therefore, again, not a ride. Try again.
          Quote: 16329
          the state has disposed of property as decided by the leadership, elected democratically with the support of the majority of the population,

          This democratic leadership, after it acted as it did on good, had to be shot at full strength.
          Quote: 16329
          And what happened, something happened

          Great phrase. Often remember about her when there will be a conversation going about 1917. And events connected with it.
          1. 16329
            16329 24 March 2020 13: 50 New
            +2
            Absolute demagogy, ignoring facts and reality
            Well, about the executions, don’t, please, they voted for Yeltsin, massively, were proud of it, etc., voluntarily accepted his policy without coercion, did not regret closed enterprises, shuttled, stole property, privatized whoever could.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 25 March 2020 10: 46 New
              0
              Quote: 16329
              Absolute demagogy, ignoring facts and reality

              From your side.
  • depressant
    depressant 23 March 2020 08: 50 New
    +14
    Yes! With the advent of GDP, everything continued to fall with acceleration. This is instead of giving acceleration a negative value and thereby reducing the fall to zero. Look at the list of unique enterprises closed under Putin - thousands! This is if Rosstat has not yet removed the list.
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 23 March 2020 12: 45 New
      -2
      Look at the list of unique enterprises closed under Putin - thousands!

      Frank lies or ignorance. Google, in the USSR, there were 13,5 thousand large enterprises. How much did it close in the 90s? And under Putin, in general, everything turns out? With mathematics at odds?
      1. 16329
        16329 23 March 2020 17: 16 New
        +1
        In the USSR or the RSFSR?
      2. Alf
        Alf 23 March 2020 20: 55 New
        -1
        Quote: Okolotochny
        And under Putin, in general, everything turns out?

        Under Putin.
        1. 16329
          16329 24 March 2020 11: 13 New
          +4
          What do you want to say with this list that during 2002-2010 the factories that died in the 90s were sanitized? A large enterprise will not die in a year or two.
          Or do you think that someone just came and closed blooming enterprises
          If successful enterprises went bankrupt, then in order to change the owner or to sell in parts, while profitable production was maintained, and empty buildings with sold equipment turned into shopping centers or were demolished
          Remember, raider captures, salary requirements for six months, etc., there was a redistribution of property. 2nd stage
          All this economic policy was supported by the people regularly in elections and plebiscites, etc., throughout the 90s and early 2000s.
          Even if the voices of Yeltsin were painted in 1996, it is not significant, since the mass of people (also the people) supported him, our society is always split and everyone speaks on behalf of the people
          Remember how they voted in the 2000s elections, how the CPRF representation in the Duma fell,
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    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 March 2020 20: 13 New
      0
      You won’t provide a list of these thousands of plants - otherwise everything about the thousands closed under Putin will be svizdal only for some reason they can’t be compiled. Probably because those who threw this garbage operated with numbers taken from the ceiling.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 23 March 2020 08: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: gvozdan
    For 10 years in the 90s everything was wonderful, and with the advent of GDP, everything suddenly began to fall?

    So their predecessors organized the 90s .. the course remained the same .. Oil up to $ 120 jumped and everyone cheered together screaming ..
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 23 March 2020 09: 07 New
    +3
    Quote: gvozdan
    10 years in the 90s everything was wonderful

    You know, in the city where the husband was born, there was a shoe factory. The 90s, she somehow endured. But in the "fat 2000s", she died safely. And when it let out 2 or 3 million pairs.
    Amen.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 23 March 2020 09: 18 New
      -1
      A bullet hit a soldier, they brought him to the hospital, but there was nothing they could do. Conclusion, in a hospital they treat worse than in an open field.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 09: 37 New
      -7
      Question: what shoes? Armor-piercing, which was done on the Leningrad Skorokhod? I doubt that the shoes of this factory were in demand. Here's the answer - why the factory fell apart. I couldn’t.
      1. Elturisto
        Elturisto 23 March 2020 21: 35 New
        -1
        Tell me about something you produce, except for posts on the Internet?
      2. 16329
        16329 24 March 2020 10: 59 New
        +3
        I would like to recall how in the USSR they loved the products of domestic industry, they always preferred it to import, they were glad that there was so little import in the USSR, this also applied to cars, household appliances, manufacturing goods and industrial equipment.
        Still, the quality of Soviet export products did not differ at all from products for the domestic user, and most Soviet Industrial products were of a unique development, and not a copy of the products of European companies 30 years ago
    3. krops777
      krops777 23 March 2020 16: 56 New
      0
      You know, in the city where the husband was born, there was a shoe factory. The 90s, she somehow endured. But in the "fat 2000s", she died safely. And when it let out 2 or 3 million pairs.


      And that Putin is guilty or mediocre leadership? Other enterprises producing shoes in Russia do not live anything.
    4. 16329
      16329 23 March 2020 17: 17 New
      +1
      Well, right, the import was crushed, so you yourself answered the question what happens at high oil prices
  • ultra
    ultra 23 March 2020 10: 03 New
    +3
    No one says that in the 90s it was wonderful, but all of our growth ended in 2008. Now we only listen to mantras about diversification and import substitution.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 23 March 2020 11: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: ultra
      all our growth ended in 2008

      So was there anyway growth? Mess! And what happened in 2008?
      1. ultra
        ultra 23 March 2020 13: 19 New
        +1
        Naturally there was an increase, but it is a consequence of the default of 98 and rising energy prices. Putin’s plus can be a way out of the production sharing agreement and the return of a part of oil and gas assets to the state’s ownership. There was no such “industrial policy” in the government it’s not. For some reason, it’s considered that as soon as there is low inflation, everything will improve in the economy by itself.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 23 March 2020 13: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: ultra
          As such, "industrial policy" in the government, as it was not and is not.

          Michael, by the way the topic of sea is closer to me, I’ll tell you this ... to build a frigate of project 22350, you need at least 100 plants ... that is. There is no industrial policy, but at least 90 plants have been rebuilt or modernized ... what somehow it does not agree with your statement!
          1. ultra
            ultra 23 March 2020 13: 58 New
            +2
            Frigates are a thing of course, but I can just write down what kind of enterprises have closed in our city. Machine-building-completely destroyed, most of the workshops demolished in their place parking and a shopping center, the rest of the buildings are rented by various companies. Starting engine plant-furniture center, fitness and other, other. Tractor plant-on its territory you can shoot disaster films. "Only the workshops involved in the defense industry live." The pipe plant is destroyed. The metallurgical - "Free Falcon", there was one blast furnace, a couple of years ago, now I’m not I know.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 23 March 2020 14: 27 New
              0
              Quote: ultra
              Tractor Plant - disaster films can be shot on its territory

              Back in 1998, LTZ was declared bankrupt with a debt of 1 mln. rubles!
              Quote: ultra
              Free Falcon, one blast furnace in action was, a couple of years ago, now I do not know.

              The trouble with the “Free Falcon” is that new advanced technologies in the form of plastic trunk pipes are much cheaper to manufacture and operate than cast iron!
              1. ultra
                ultra 23 March 2020 14: 39 New
                +1
                And I think that the trouble of all these enterprises is the current impasse of the raw materials appendage. When temporary workers come to the leadership of both countries and enterprises. Their main slogan is "After us at least a flood, and we already bought a ticket to the ark." wassat
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 23 March 2020 14: 52 New
                  -3
                  Quote: ultra
                  And I think that the trouble of all these enterprises is the current impasse of the raw materials appendage

                  laughing Michael, i.e. the reason is not in the production of a loss-making product, but in a dead end?
                  what
                  Quote: ultra
                  Their main slogan is "And after us, at least a flood, and we already bought a ticket to the ark."

                  Then on horseradish goat button accordion in the form of South Ossetia, Crimea, Syria ... well, if the flood anyway?
                2. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 23: 40 New
                  +1
                  Well tell me then where are all these Atlanteans spread their shoulders. Why these Bill Gates Jobs and other Ilona Masks with Brin and Zuckerberg did not appear 30 years have passed. If at the beginning of the 20th century we had developed the economy in 41 years, the Germans would have reached the Urals, if not Khabarovsk. Where is this effective private trader? Why is it presented to us as a great achievement a return after 30 years to the level of the USSR, and even not in all respects? Live marketers yelled about the fucking right market path and all you could achieve in 30 years was to lag behind and whine about the difficult legacy. Although with such a heritage it was possible to turn mountains.
                3. Serg65
                  Serg65 24 March 2020 07: 15 New
                  0
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  If at the beginning of the 20th century we had developed the economy in 41 years, the Germans would have reached the Urals, if not Khabarovsk.

                  And I have long been proposing to tighten the regime and act with Stalinist methods! Restore camps, introduce triples, transplant all saboteurs, thieves and displeased! Shoot especially violent and stubborn as enemies of the people! Do you agree with that, S-80?
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Why is it presented to us as a great achievement a return after 30 years to the level of the USSR, and even not in all respects?

                  So the story repeats itself laughing , with the Union until the mid-70s, GDP was compared with the 1913th year.
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Although with such a heritage it was possible to turn mountains.

                  what And who personally prevents you from turning mountains or, for example, dig a new Black Sea?
                4. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 25 March 2020 10: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: Serg65
                  And I have long been proposing to tighten the regime and act with Stalinist methods! Restore camps, introduce triples, transplant all saboteurs, thieves and displeased! Shoot especially violent and stubborn as enemies of the people! Do you agree with that, S-80?

                  This is all boltology. It has nothing to do with Stalin. Neither adequate measures in the economy.
                  Quote: Serg65
                  So the story repeats itself, under the Union until the mid-70s, GDP was compared with the year 1913.

                  We had a war in which millions died and almost all zero destroyed the entire European part?
                  Quote: Serg65
                  And who personally prevents you from turning mountains or, for example, dig a new Black Sea?

                  Can I work for you too?
                5. Serg65
                  Serg65 25 March 2020 11: 04 New
                  -2
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  We had a war in which millions died and almost all zero destroyed the entire European part?

                  So the 90s were not sugar!
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Can I work for you too?

                  Yeah I do not mind!
      2. Alf
        Alf 23 March 2020 21: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: Serg65
        The trouble with the “Free Falcon” is that new advanced technologies in the form of plastic trunk pipes are much cheaper to manufacture and operate than cast iron!

        And what prevented not killing, but reprofiling?
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 24 March 2020 07: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Alf
          And what prevented not killing, but reprofiling?

          But in the first place, the Falcon is not killed, and in the second, it is easier and cheaper to build a new one than to convert it! In addition, the Falcon since the mid-90s is listed as an LLC and is not state property. On this your question is more likely to the red directors than to me.
      3. Qiman Kyrivo
        Qiman Kyrivo 27 March 2020 16: 03 New
        0
        ATZ in Altai Krai is also totally destroyed. There are ruins.
    2. Alf
      Alf 23 March 2020 20: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: ultra
      but here I can simply write what enterprises have closed in our city.

      Samara.
      Machine tool-killed.
      4th bearing-killed.
      9th bearing-killed.
      ZIM is killed.
      1st mechanical plant killed.
      The screen is killed, only the defense part remains.
      2000th and only that offhand.
      1. Alf
        Alf 24 March 2020 20: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Alf
        Quote: ultra
        but here I can simply write what enterprises have closed in our city.

        Samara.
        Machine tool-killed.
        4th bearing-killed.
        9th bearing-killed.
        ZIM is killed.
        1st mechanical plant killed.
        The screen is killed, only the defense part remains.
        2000th and only that offhand.

        Interestingly, the minuser can object to anything? For example, indicate new enterprises built in these places?
    3. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 24 March 2020 05: 06 New
      -2
      Quote: ultra
      what enterprises have closed in our city

      we recently closed a plant ... on a metallurgical topic ... but it was not Putin who closed it, but several dozen degenerates ran out in protest, they say, the plant pollutes everything around ... as a result, after painful and prolonged wailing, it was closed ... they’re going to write a letter to Putin, so that instead of this plant he would muddle some automobile car with them !! laughing laughing Interestingly, they do not know where Uncle Vova will send them ?? !! wassat so do not blame Putin !!! By the way, I won’t be surprised if those degenerates who ran around screaming for closure here, comments are riveting in the fight against Ryzhym !!! wink wassat
  • ultra
    ultra 23 March 2020 14: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Serg65
    And what happened in 2008?

    The mortgage crisis in the United States, the local banks “fell”, and ours followed them, since I didn’t want to get credit. And our “valiant” government urgently ran to save them, and at the expense of taxpayers. That is, you and I.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 23 March 2020 14: 34 New
      -2
      Quote: ultra
      US Mortgage Crisis

      The mortgage crisis has not influenced as much as, for example, the Peace Enforcement Operation! After the Georgian company, Russia first encountered both economic and political isolation, and that’s why
      Quote: ultra
      our "valiant" government urgently ran to save them

      Here either sit and do not rock the boat, or get out as you want!
      1. ultra
        ultra 23 March 2020 16: 48 New
        +3
        No "Georgian" company could bring down the currency twice.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 23: 43 New
        -3
        Did everyone help Soviet Russia? Bullish excuse. Come up with a better one.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 23 March 2020 14: 56 New
    +2
    And you don’t need to listen to mantras, you just need to look for what import has already replaced more than 1300 positions there.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 23 March 2020 08: 25 New
    -23
    Quote: Malyuta
    About electronics, microelectronics, control systems, it is better not to say anything at all, because the dead are either good or nothing.

    Do you think that all of our satellites fly exclusively on foreign electronics? And the military developments depend entirely on them?
    I doubt that as regards civil engineering, I don’t see anything shameful here.

    And by the way: "About the dead either good or only the truth". Otherwise, all the errors of the deceased will be reproduced after his death.
    1. AA17
      AA17 23 March 2020 10: 43 New
      +6
      Dear Boris. "... Do you think that all of our satellites fly exclusively on foreign electronics? And the military developments depend entirely on them? ..." - Your phrase.
      And what do you think yourself: on which element base do Russian satellites fly?
      I give a hint.
      "... Russia does not have its own industrial base for the serial production of microelectronics, Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov, who is in charge of the defense industry, said on Tuesday," Finanz "reports. According to him, the reason was the" mindless "privatization of the 1990s, during which production was "collapsed" .... "Read more at https://aurora.network/articles/163-zajavlenija/74711-pravitel-stvo-konstatirovalo-otsutstvie-v-rossii-sobstvennogo-proizvodstva-jelektroniki
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 23 March 2020 11: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: AA17
        And what do you think yourself: on which element base do Russian satellites fly?
        I give a hint.
        "... Russia does not have its own industrial base for the serial production of microelectronics, Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov, who is in charge of the defense industry, said on Tuesday," Finanz "reports. According to him, the reason was the" mindless "privatization of the 1990s, during which production was "collapsed."

        Lies Borisov! Malyuta over there proves that Russia in the 90s took 2nd place in the production of electronics!
        Quote: Malyuta
        About electronics, microelectronics, control systems it’s better not to say anything at all, because the dead are either good or nothing.For the past 20 years, the Russian Federation from the second place in the world fell back to 23 after Singapore
        1. ul_vitalii
          ul_vitalii 23 March 2020 13: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: Serg65
          Malyuta over there proves that Russia in the 90s took 2nd place in the production of electronics!

          From rags to riches, that’s carrying a blizzard. yes Navalnenok visible paid. yes
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 23 March 2020 13: 50 New
            +3
            Quote: ul_vitalii
            Navalnenok visible paid.

            I don’t know about Navalnyuk’s account, but a certain private Airborne Force reminds me very much!
            1. ul_vitalii
              ul_vitalii 23 March 2020 13: 57 New
              +4
              Quote: Serg65
              Quote: ul_vitalii
              Navalnenok visible paid.

              I don’t know about Navalnyuk’s account, but a certain private Airborne Force reminds me very much!

              It’s not allowed to see the pool, but they’re apparently kicking their own, so it rushes about, receiving from a blue blue. Many are unhappy with him. yes
    2. Den717
      Den717 23 March 2020 11: 46 New
      -1
      Quote: Boris55
      "About the dead either good or just the truth."

      I totally agree. At 1000%. But there is one “but” - who knows this truth? From this "but" a lot of leading questions arise about the quality of the products, the quantities of which we do not reach today. Here many anti-Putinists sighed, how can we forgive debts to different countries in Africa, Asia and L. America? There are really huge amounts. And in those amounts sits a huge share of the engineering products that the USSR produced, and which solvent countries did not buy in their quality. It would not be bad for the sake of truth to analyze how much the prime cost of those products corresponded to their quality and the system of the administrative-command method of managing the country's economy. And maybe some of the commentators present here will tell you why the roads in Russia are built with imported road equipment. Because our domestic, Soviet-made, simply not enough? Maybe BOMAG left her during the retreat of his troops from outside Moscow? laughing Or for another reason? I think the truth is very large and multifaceted in this topic, and it will not fit in the framework of the HE. In addition, the article itself does not even draw up a question on the topic. The entire context of the article focused on the usual nostalgia, like, everything was fine in the USSR, but in modern Russia, with our, by the way, direct participation (my remark), everything got out of hand ..... Yes, Putin runs with a sledgehammer and destroys what turns up by the arm. Funny article, the same comments. I have a lot of questions for the current government, but somehow I’m slipping into youthful maximalism not by age ...
    3. Alf
      Alf 23 March 2020 21: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Boris55
      And by the way:

      Boris, you haven’t been here for a long time, please answer the question.
      You so assiduously assured everyone that the president could not do anything with the cabinet and the prime minister, even all sorts of articles of the Constitution were brought up, and a couple of months ago he took the prime minister and changed, but the cabinet was completely dispersed and a new one was assembled without any problems. How so ?
  • Loess
    Loess 23 March 2020 08: 33 New
    -7
    Quote: Malyuta
    Over the past 20 years, the Russian Federation from the second place in the world has rolled back to 23 after Singapore (rather, this is flattery from experts)

    You want to say that in 1999 Russia was in second place? Don't you think you are slightly ... wrong?
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 23 March 2020 09: 00 New
    -3
    What year are you born? Is not the result of Putin's maternal capital? And then, it seems, did not see how it was all for 99-2000 years.
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  • Victor N
    Victor N 23 March 2020 11: 11 New
    -8
    "Everything is gone," of course. But how much production equipment do you need? What is missing and where? They produced a lot in the USSR, but used very poorly. The shift factor of metal cutting machines was on average a little more than one, although according to the standard it should have been 2,0. In 1991 Unidentified equipment was available for 19627 million rubles., Including imported to 6573. Of the undetermined excess was 7141 million rubles and excess to 489 million rubles. In 1990 157 thousand pieces of machine tools were produced, when unidentified 40,1 thousand pieces were stored in warehouses (greetings to the State Planning Commission and the planned socialist economy!). And these are only official statistics.
    Due to poor use, the physical wear and tear of the equipment was low, much is still in operation and will be in working condition for a long time. So not everything is gone yet.
    1. ultra
      ultra 23 March 2020 14: 03 New
      +3
      But now it’s “beauty” !!!! Neither unused equipment, nor manufactures where it can be used. Capitalism is his mother. wassat
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 March 2020 15: 05 New
        +1
        For an example, the USSR for all time sold seven civilian aircraft for currency - all the other aircraft were handed over to the poor for unequal barter and loyalty, and even grain bought for gold was re-exported in this scenario of economic management in the 80s, and after it the bankruptcy of the USSR with subsequent power collapse.
  • Victor N
    Victor N 23 March 2020 11: 20 New
    -5
    It's funny to read the fabrications of homegrown "experts in economic history! And even the comments from the series" were girls in our time "....
  • Serg65
    Serg65 23 March 2020 11: 25 New
    +4
    Quote: Malyuta
    About electronics, microelectronics, control systems, it’s better not to say anything at all, because the dead are either good or nothing. Over the past 20 years, the Russian Federation from the second place in the world has fallen to 23 after Singapore

    what So, in the 90s, Russia ranked second in the world in the production of electronics ??? Yeah, wonderful things are yours, Lord !!!
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 23 March 2020 12: 49 New
      +2
      Earrings, all this gang-watering can (pseudo-communists) did not even serve in the army for an urgent period (Lexus, an ardent representative of the sect of withdrawal, take). But they argue, in COLUMN, moreover, about the state administration order, state defense orders, issues of development of the state as a whole and the Armed Forces in particular. People who are far from issues of discipline, organization - just like Trotsky))) I repeat, "reason" only in COLUMN.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 23 March 2020 12: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Okolotochny
        I repeat, they "reason" only in CROP.

        Lech, yes God be with her, with their crowd, and then the crowd is ... three under the roof! Funny in another, do not follow their words, from here and scorch in black laughing
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 23 March 2020 12: 59 New
          0
          And those who are under the keys do not just follow the words)))
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    2. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 23 March 2020 15: 26 New
      +2
      So, in the 90s, Russia ranked second in the world in the production of electronics ??? Yeah, wonderful things are yours, Lord !!!

      That's right!
      And I’m still wondering who we didn’t overtake - the USA, France, Japan, Germany or someone else ...
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  • kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 23 March 2020 14: 19 New
    +5
    that is, under Yeltsin, Russia developed and occupied the second place in the world in the production of electronics? Bullshit !!!
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  • Nemchinov Vl
    Nemchinov Vl 25 March 2020 00: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Malyuta
    Over the past 20 years, the Russian Federation from the second place in the world fell back to 23 after Singapore (rather, it is flattery from experts) - these are the real achievements of Putinism. settling down.
    no Well, probably not for 20, but be honest (if compared with the USSR) - for 30 ?! recourse , but then remember that even before Putin, there were Gobachev and Yeltsin ?! request then probably the periods where the decline is greatest and where (if not growth) then at least stabilization will be more clearly visible .. hi
  • Alexey LK
    Alexey LK April 1 2020 03: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Malyuta
    About electronics, microelectronics, control systems, it’s better not to say anything at all, because the dead are either good or nothing. Over the past 20 years, the Russian Federation from the second place in the world has fallen to 23 after Singapore

    Those. You want to say that in the year 2000 the Russian Federation in "electronics, microelectronics, control systems" was in 2nd place in the world? But this is complete nonsense! Not in the past 20 years, far from it. For these 20 past years, so far it has not been possible to fix the fact that under EBN they killed for several years - yes. This clearly demonstrates the scale of the damage from the "dashing democrats" and the "privatizers."
  • Edward Vashchenko
    Edward Vashchenko 23 March 2020 08: 36 New
    +8
    The army is constantly repairing equipment, maybe some sort of imported samples are better for maintenance, so - is there anything to buy?
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 March 2020 08: 55 New
    +2
    What they are doing now in Kamaz had to be done back under the USSR. The industry of the USSR was adapted for stamping one model ...
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 23 March 2020 09: 22 New
      -9
      Do you know that before KAMAZ there were no heavy trucks in the USSR at all? And any on-board computer, which is now in any car, was not anywhere in the era of the USSR. Then it was a novelty even for military equipment.
      1. depressant
        depressant 23 March 2020 09: 53 New
        +12
        What plants Putin did not help to survive in the "fat years" (to go through modernization).

        Factories and year of death:
        MOSKVICH - 2002
        "Red Proletariat" - 2010
        Izhevsk Motorcycle - 2009
        Irbitsky motorcycle ("Ural") - barely alive
        Pavlovsk Instrumental - 2011
        Lipetsk Tractor - 2009
        Altai Tractor - 2010
        Shipbuilding "Vanguard" - 2010
        Ship repair OJSC "HC Dalzavod" - 2009

        Etc. I can continue.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 23 March 2020 10: 07 New
          -7
          May I ask, when was the last time you saw a motorcycle on the street? Here I have some lovers who in the warm season do not mind making some noise, I recently saw a light motorcycle for sale for 93k rubles. Well, such a toy with a single cylinder engine and max. at a speed of 95 km / h, it’s obvious that he can only ride around the city, and he will not pull on short trips or even a stroller. In general, the motor market in Russia is dead, even imports are not imported, because no one is buying. So we don’t need to shed a tear here about the factories that either produced chapellets or uncompetitive products, as in Election Day. It would be nice to recall how many factories opened.
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 23 March 2020 10: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: depressant
          What plants Putin did not help to survive in the "fat years"

          Known fact: most city-forming factories and factories closed (and turned into shopping and entertainment centers) not in the troubled 90s, but in the fat Putin zeros. When gold-oil rain fell from the sky on us.

          Then we suddenly decided that we did not need a “backward” Soviet heritage. And we will gorgeously live on oil and gas ... Well, yes, and now, of course, we put everything down to the 90s!
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        3. Serg65
          Serg65 23 March 2020 12: 04 New
          -2
          Quote: depressant
          What plants Putin did not help to survive

          Lyudmila Yakovlevna, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, you are a worthy follower of V.I. Lenin! Lying without even blushing! From all the factories you listed by the 2000s, there were horns and legs in the form of directors with their secretaries and chief accountants! Moreover, the chief accountant was needed only to receive money for the rental of factory territories!
        4. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 23 March 2020 12: 53 New
          0
          MOSKVICH - 2002

          When the plant was liquidated, Pontiac was discovered in one of the warehouses. It turns out that Gorbachev was presented with this car by Bush. He brought it, gave it to AZLK and gave the task to do something similar. At the plant, they opened the hood, scratched turnips, closed the hood and sent the vehicle to a distant warehouse. They said that she could not go without a carburetor. At that time, a fuel injection system was already installed on Pontiac. But the “order-bearers-red-banner” designers with AZLK it was not in the house.
        5. Simargl
          Simargl 23 March 2020 18: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: depressant
          Factories and year of death:
          Moskvich - killed by “Svtogory” and “Wickets” even before the 2000s,
          KP - almost alive
          IL - yes, dead. But the reason is that the price of a motorcycle is comparable to a used car. As soon as it became normal with auto-trash in the country, the motorcycle as a means of transportation equaled ersatz. A motorcycle today is a means of self-expression.
          IM is alive. 99% drive for export. With its prices for moto - I’d better buy West a second time in a good configuration.
          ATZ ... conditionally alive.

          Quote: depressant
          Etc. I can continue.
          For the most part, industries were killed by lack of demand. Demand was blocked by cheap “China” and used equipment, as well as the impossibility of IP to purchase equipment.
      2. DeusExMachina
        DeusExMachina 23 March 2020 10: 32 New
        +6
        Quote: EvilLion
        Do you know that before KAMAZ there were no heavy trucks in the USSR at all? And any on-board computer, which is now in any car, was not anywhere in the era of the USSR. Then it was a novelty even for military equipment.

        And in the USSR there were no iPhones. Immediately proves the backwardness of the USSR economy.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 23 March 2020 12: 54 New
          -2
          There were no iPhones in the west either. It is simply strange to demand from the plant, which had the task of providing the country with machines primarily quantitatively, that it produces now in other realities and at a different technical level. Oh, for something, but I have no complaints about KAMAZ. Those who drove and remained dissatisfied, or whether the Scania or even Tatra 815 business, which for some reason flew out of the Russian market as the Union disintegrated, is worth it there, I can only recommend going to the factory ourselves and showing how it should be .
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 13: 16 New
          +1
          There were no iPhones in the west either. But if you compare, for example, the then domestic radio and an imported radio, then the comparison will not be in favor of our share. And the choice, accordingly, will be obvious.
      3. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 10: 35 New
        -1
        Heavy trucks in the USSR were before KAMAZ. But the quality and ergonomics of these products were, to put it mildly, seams. What Soviet main tractor was the air conditioner on? Russian Vanka will do.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 23 March 2020 12: 57 New
          0
          MAZ-500 with a loading capacity of 8 tons? Very conditionally. Like the rare ZIL "crocodile". As for the air conditioners, the Russian Vanka, for example, needs to do heating in the apartment in winter, and much more, so I'm sorry, but there were not always resources for shoving the air conditioning in every truck.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 13: 00 New
            +1
            Shoved in the West. Almost any "long-range" from the beginning of the 70s came with kondeya and other driving joys in the form of a refrigerator, tiles, a comfortable sleeping bag, an autonomous heater, etc. Where is the vaunted Soviet concern for the working man?
          2. Alf
            Alf 23 March 2020 21: 16 New
            +3
            Quote: EvilLion
            MAZ-500 with a loading capacity of 8 tons?

            MAZ-516 16,5 tons.
            KAMAZ-5320 10-20 tons.
            Learn materiel.
      4. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 23 March 2020 12: 04 New
        +6
        And Kraz and MAZ?
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 23 March 2020 13: 10 New
          -2
          MAZ-500 and KrAZ-255 in a lower class, 7.5 tons. Well, in general, the KrAZ-255 was not created for roads. Here is the 256th can be considered. I don’t remember the crocodiles for the 3-ohm ZILs, but this is a very rare car. Here KAMAZ-5320 is already 10 tons, although it itself is not much heavier. That is, somewhere in the 60s begins the departure from all 5-titles. Well, finally they will die out already in the 90s.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 23 March 2020 13: 55 New
            +1
            KamAZ is a milestone in the mechanical engineering of the USSR.
            Nobody argues here. But he did not develop, did not adopt new technologies. And at the end of the 80s it was no longer modern.
          2. Vikxnumx
            Vikxnumx 23 March 2020 15: 41 New
            0
            MAZ-500 - 1961 (7.5 tons),
            MAZ-500A - 1970 (8 000 kg)

            KAMAZ-5320 - ???
      5. Old partisan
        Old partisan 23 March 2020 12: 05 New
        +7
        Well, yes, up to Kamaz, all horses and heavyweights were transported by the Cherepanov brothers' steam locomotives.
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      7. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 March 2020 15: 12 New
        +1
        At the end of the 80s in the USSR, they created their “iPhone” Electronics MK 90 an excellent thing that really cost 88 years as a piece of a spaceship in the literal sense of the word - for Buran one quartz thermal protection tile cost 500 rubles - you could buy seven for the cost of this handheld computer such tiles.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 23 March 2020 19: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          the cost of this handheld computer could buy seven of these tiles.
          Bend. It cost about 150 p. But get it ...
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 23 March 2020 20: 00 New
            0
            The one that my grandfather had 88 production cost 3500 rubles.
      8. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx 23 March 2020 15: 29 New
        0
        Do you know that before KAMAZ there were no heavy trucks in the USSR at all?

        That you sho!
        And where did MAZ, KrAZ, and the Urals go?
        KAMAZ-5320 has a capacity of EMNIP of 8 (eight) tons ...
      9. Alf
        Alf 23 March 2020 21: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: EvilLion
        Do you know that before KAMAZ there were no heavy trucks in the USSR at all?

        Have you ever seen such a truck?
    2. ultra
      ultra 23 March 2020 10: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The industry of the USSR was adapted for stamping one model ...

      Not an industry, but a system. Then it was easier to build a new plant for new equipment than to rebuild existing production.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 13: 03 New
        -1
        Therefore, one should not be surprised at the closure of these enterprises. They are easier to shoot than to drag further.
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    3. Fat
      Fat 23 March 2020 10: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      What they are doing now in Kamaz had to be done back under the USSR. The industry of the USSR was adapted for stamping one model ...

      I do remember. "The factory mastered the production of a coat of the 50th size from black drap"
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  • Simargl
    Simargl 23 March 2020 18: 20 New
    +2
    Quote: Pessimist22
    It is necessary to ask the drivers and machine operators what is better and easier to work on, imported or domestic equipment, Volvo, Scania or KAMAZ.
    It depends on which combine, and which one KAMAZ!
    If we talk about NIVA and DON-1500 - it is better on the TORUM 750: comfort heaven and earth! Productivity is 4-5 times higher, the threshing quality is every 5-7 ha with a bonus of 1 ha (relatively fully serviceable DON-1500) ...
    With KamAZ as well.
    The problem is that the new equipment is expensive, leasing is not developed, it is available to large enterprises.
    In the same Rostov region, I know people who, by privatization (the same vouchers), got land shares (I don’t know how much exactly, but it turned out quite a lot for the family). And now the most interesting thing: to get together on the collective farm - to no one, while the ancient NIVA is “carried”, from which there is more harm than from a loan for a new combine. They sell grain in small lots at bargain prices. But for that - IP, "for yourself" works. And you won’t prove that “working on a collective farm” will earn more, and so - the intermediary is robbed and lost on worn-out equipment.
    So then: not only the manufacturer is to blame that sales / production has fallen.
  • Sergey Obraztsov
    Sergey Obraztsov 23 March 2020 19: 36 New
    +3
    Well, about Kamaz, it’s you, my friend, who pushed in vain. Go to YouTube and look there about modern Russian trucks. This is not the same misery for a long time with a steel tidy and a cabin for midgets ...
  • Siberian54
    Siberian54 25 March 2020 04: 15 New
    0
    "Volvo, Scania or KAMAZ" is almost the same ..
  • rocket757
    rocket757 23 March 2020 07: 44 New
    +5
    An asset, a liability ... a step from a reasonable balance to failure, bias, is not so great ... But what is the main result? who can show it for sure? However, it was unpleasant / sad to see how the fields with uncleaned sunflower seeds were being plowed, for example ... although there is oil in the shops and it was sold a lot!
    And as they write correctly, mechanical engineering is one of the foundations of any economy!
    1. depressant
      depressant 23 March 2020 08: 25 New
      +13
      And I was sadly watching the story about the Saratov aircraft factory, which was buried to the ground, at which, long before the 90s, they developed, made in metal and experienced a real, not cinema, flying saucer. I remember this photo in the Soviet Izvestia. Bitterness and anger!
      1. Ivan Kolodin
        Ivan Kolodin 23 March 2020 08: 46 New
        +18
        And this is a question for Comrade Volodin, who now has a third person in the state, as when Saratov was bent
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 23 March 2020 09: 10 New
          +6
          This is a question for the SYSTEM, which all sorts of different .... puts forward or makes for the most milestone, not the essence.
          As the system is built, so "responsible" will work and will.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 23 March 2020 09: 12 New
        +4
        We all had to look with a wistful look ... but what now? the system has not changed at all and the faces are the same!
      3. EvilLion
        EvilLion 23 March 2020 09: 23 New
        -7
        Well, if you do flying saucers, then the only way it will end.
      4. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 10: 39 New
        -6
        If you are talking about an EKIP that resembles a flying saucer in form, then this is a state’s divorce for money, such as Kurchevsky’s recoilless devices. The bitterness and anger that the money was thrown away for the manufacture of a useless product.
        1. depressant
          depressant 23 March 2020 11: 55 New
          +6
          Pilot Ivanov, and you tell this to Ilona Mask whose rockets are falling. Any product requires refinement to the mind. EKIP did not have this time! Because the Soviet time was almost over then, it did not appear on the plans of traitors. But the Americans took out all the documentation on EKIP and, so that there were no priority questions, they destroyed the plant, believing that they would erase the memory. And I have it angry and strong.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 12: 01 New
            -6
            EKIP - a dead end branch of the aircraft industry. Which they didn’t even try to repeat in any country in the world. If this were truly a breakthrough, ekranoleta would fill the whole world. This is actually a fun kunshtyuk, an unsuccessful experiment. Well, or as an option: someone amused their design ambitions. I brought Kurchevsky for a reason.
          2. EvilLion
            EvilLion 23 March 2020 13: 11 New
            0
            So everyone knows that Musk is a crook and a thief. But he doesn’t steal from us, let him deal with him in the USA.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 23 March 2020 15: 22 New
            +1
            Unfortunately, the ECIP was bent because there simply were no engines for it and the authors of this flying vehicle presented its characteristics based on a non-existent engine, and creating the necessary engine for an airplane is still that difficult and expensive task. This is the same as rolling out a car body for a test drive and declaring that the car consumes little fuel compared to competitors.
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  • Arlen
    Arlen 23 March 2020 07: 48 New
    +13
    for starters, it’s nice to put in place an elementary order with discipline of deliveries, fulfillment of contracts and public promises

    How? If the authorities themselves violate their public promises ...
    1. Edward Vashchenko
      Edward Vashchenko 23 March 2020 08: 39 New
      +12
      The basis of modern control in the Russian Federation: PR and chatter, instead of specifics: so with the deadlines for the delivery of small torpedo boats, and with flights to Alpha Centauri and with retirement.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 23 March 2020 11: 31 New
      -9
      Authorities are not allowed to deliver.
    3. Alf
      Alf 23 March 2020 21: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Arlen
      If the authorities themselves violate their public promises ...

  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 23 March 2020 07: 53 New
    +13
    ... the sustainability of the economy also depends on how machine-building satisfies domestic demand. World experience defines this indicator at the level of 70%. Moreover, the share of own elements in the product should be 40-60%

    1. Plan
    2. Plan
    3. Plan

    And then the market has already decided. More precisely, I almost decided and not only mechanical engineering.
    1. apro
      apro 23 March 2020 08: 20 New
      -13
      Quote: Shuttle
      And then the market has already decided.

      The market and determined the place of Russia in the international division of labor
      Quote: Shuttle
      1. Plan
      2. Plan
      3. Plan

      Dear breed red ... no one from today's owners of money will do this.
      1. Shuttle
        Shuttle 23 March 2020 10: 11 New
        +10
        Quote: apro

        Dear breed red ... no one from today's owners of money will do this.

        But it’s immediately noticeable that, dear, you didn’t smell “Capital”, but you are not familiar with the achievements of world capital construction.
        Any long and large enterprise requires planning. Be it the construction of an automobile plant, a space center, a hydroelectric power station, a supertanker, a gas pipeline, a nuclear power station, a railway, an aircraft carrier, a submarine, etc., etc. requires a clear plan in the style of Waterfall. Such things are not done for every Agile. Of course, some small or indirect tasks can be solved as they arise, i.e. including market option. But long-term, resource-intensive finish to the end only according to plan, no matter how they start. Or do not finish at all. And it does not depend on the degree of "redness" that I allegedly breed.
        1. apro
          apro 23 March 2020 12: 47 New
          +2
          The capitalists come first in profit. And then everything else ... and sometimes they plan it. But the result is not always positive. The population is most often in the red. Planning for the USSR is somewhat different. The main goal is to ensure the life of the population. All in the name of man. all for the good of man.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 24 March 2020 20: 28 New
            -1
            The deficit was probably the same according to plan - for the benefit of the queues of cards of speculators and Tsekhoviks.
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 25 March 2020 08: 39 New
              0
              The guilds were the first to create it, they jumped out of their pants. The point is small.
  • avia12005
    avia12005 23 March 2020 08: 21 New
    +22
    Everything is fine with mechanical engineering. Because Manturov is the Minister of Industry and Trade, the richest in the government. What are you escalating the panic)))
    1. depressant
      depressant 23 March 2020 09: 02 New
      +5
      Yes, and the mining oligarchs we have a freight car and a cart. Here is a bet on the growth of their number. Wait a bit, they will be compensated for the lost income from the National Welfare Fund (NWF), and from Putin you will hear: "There is no money, but you hold on! And you are in a good mood!"
    2. Shuttle
      Shuttle 23 March 2020 18: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: avia12005
      Everything is fine with mechanical engineering. Because Manturov is the Minister of Industry and Trade, the richest in the government. What are you escalating the panic)))

      Manturov’s personality is not the issue. Not only in her. Far from her.
      The main question is the goal setting. Machines for the manufacture of machines (mechanical engineering, the same industry of group A) are expensive, complex, long things.
      If the goal is profit and preferably instantaneous, then the means are appropriate. Here the previous system knew that he would have to rely on himself only in the event of a global outlook. This one already knows, but still acts in many ways in the old way.
  • bar
    bar 23 March 2020 08: 24 New
    -4
    What have we lost?

    We have lost the country, the USSR was called. Having removed their head, they do not cry through their hair. It is necessary to do something, to restore a little, and not sob. Stalinist industrialization with the labor armies of prisoners is not expected, then quickly fail. It is necessary to work, for a long time, and not whine.
    1. Erik
      Erik 23 March 2020 09: 21 New
      +1
      Which armies? You should go to the Yeltsin Center!
      1. bar
        bar 23 March 2020 09: 23 New
        -3
        And you should read the story if you had not read it before. And if you read, stop pretending to be unaware.
        1. Erik
          Erik 23 March 2020 09: 26 New
          +3
          And I know her well enough. So what armies? Come on, feel free! I will listen. And then already tired of all sorts of historians with armies of prisoners. Maybe tell something new. lol
          1. bar
            bar 23 March 2020 09: 35 New
            -6
            Persistently pretend that the word GULAG does not tell you anything? Here at my side there is a small hydroelectric power station, which was launched after the death of the leader of the peoples. And on both banks, the colony that was formed specifically for its construction is still preserved. And one of the districts of the city has still retained its historical name - the GUS, short for "paramilitary building detachment." But no one forbids you to continue to pretend not to remember and understand nothing.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 23 March 2020 09: 27 New
      +3
      What other labor armies of prisoners? Have you even completed a basic history course about changing social formations? The Stalinist labor armies are Stakhanovites, and 1-2% of the population of criminals who were given a shovel or hatchet to beat off at least part of their content is only minimizing the damage from the criminals, since they are there, and there is absolutely no way to get rid of them. I probably have half of the city in the 60-70s built by the same criminals. Because a person in prison is also required to work. I think this is a matter of principle, I didn’t want to live honestly, let’s get accustomed, you look after leaving find a job and settle down, but will not be able to do nothing, just go back to the zone.
      1. bar
        bar 23 March 2020 10: 07 New
        -6
        The Stalinist labor armies are Stakhanovites, and 1-2% of the population of criminals who were given a shovel, or hatchet to beat off at least part of their content

        Are you serious, or is this a joke? Smileys or something ... what
        1. Erik
          Erik 23 March 2020 10: 45 New
          +1
          So tell me the share of criminals among builders! request
          1. bar
            bar 23 March 2020 10: 47 New
            -4
            I will say it. But right after you say the proportion of criminals among prisoners.
            I want you to understand that I am not a Stalinist, much less a Yeltsinist. I am for the truth. And according to this truth, it is foolish to deny the contribution of free slave labor to the industrialization of the country. What was, was. And it’s even more insulting that everything that was created by this overwhelming work was destroyed, plundered and sold.
            1. tatra
              tatra 23 March 2020 11: 26 New
              +1
              You are for the perestroika anti-Soviet lie, which the enemies of the Communists have been repeating for 30 years after your capture of the USSR in order to discredit the victories and achievements of the Soviet people, because you yourself have NO victories and achievements.
              1. bar
                bar 23 March 2020 11: 40 New
                -6
                "Ostap suffered ..."
                I even have nothing to object to, for it makes no sense. I will simply step aside from this stream of stamped absurdities.
                1. tatra
                  tatra 23 March 2020 11: 46 New
                  +1
                  And that you began to get out cowardly? After all, you repeated one of the perestroika unproven agitations that the entire large-scale Stalinist industrialization was carried out by prisoners of the Gulag, naturally the "most innocent." And over the following decades, not one of the enemies of the USSR was able to prove this statement with the FIGURES.
              2. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 13: 11 New
                -3
                Non-competitive, with rare exceptions, Soviet industry is an achievement that is undoubtedly worth being proud of.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 23 March 2020 15: 29 New
                  +2
                  The USSR had great opportunities for more than 1500 institutes, more than 3000 KB - but they did not do the twentieth of what they could do in the civilian sector, because the main bias was on the defense plan, it dictated do more but easier - a minimum of innovation.
            2. EvilLion
              EvilLion 23 March 2020 13: 16 New
              +2
              That is, to protect a person and feed him for distant lands - it became a free labor? 2/3 Sitting under Stalin sat without any politics, thieves, murderers, rapists. Of the remaining third, they are either the same categories, but already in a political context (terrorism, for example), or for articles that were present in the then Criminal Code, for example, anti-Soviet agitation. If a man led her and put him in prison, then there can be no complaints, otherwise Sasha Ulyanov is not to blame for trying to kill the tsar. However, almost all of the then Criminal Code is in the current one.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 23 March 2020 12: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: EvilLion
        Stalin's labor armies are Stakhanovites

        Those. channel them. Moscow, the Volga-Baltic Canal, Belomorkanal, Volga-Don were built exclusively by the Stakhanovites ???
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 March 2020 08: 26 New
    +6
    And for starters, it’s nice to put in place an elementary order with the discipline of supplies, the implementation of contracts and public promises.

    Then it was time for her to audit the property and clarify how it appeared, moreover, in private - in foreign private hands.
  • tatra
    tatra 23 March 2020 08: 28 New
    +11
    In general, after 1991, Russian production is an abstract concept. It can be produced in Russia, but with imported packaging, and from imported materials and raw materials. In addition, all these 29 years are parasitism due to the creation of the USSR. The basis of the economy of post-Soviet Russia is trade / speculation, starting with the large-scale sale of Russian natural resources. And it’s naive to urge those who captured Russia in 1991 to engage in the development of the country, to earn money for the country and the people, they proved that they are not a priori capable of this.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 23 March 2020 09: 16 New
      -2
      Settle in the factory. It helps.
      1. tatra
        tatra 23 March 2020 10: 05 New
        +2
        So destroyed such as you, most of the plants. In my area in the east of Moscow, the huge Hammer and Sickle factory, which existed since the pre-revolutionary times, was destroyed, and residential buildings for "gentlemen" were built on its territory, the "Spotlight" and "Salute" plants operate for no more than 20 % of Soviet times, mainly due to orders from China and India, and the premises of the plants were given for buy-resell offices.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 23 March 2020 10: 12 New
          -4
          Once again, settle down at the factory, all the money your mother gives you on the phone is new and “Play Station 4” is earned only in the real sector, so that something is sold in stores, it must first be made by someone, or bought, again with the money earned from the sale of something produced.
    2. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 23 March 2020 09: 18 New
      -4
      Quote: tatra
      to earn money for the country and the people, they proved that they are not a priori capable of this.

      A bit wrong. They are not capable of making money for the country; they are generally unable to earn it. Only with the help of the state and nothing else. Here are some of our enterprises that successfully operate outside the Russian Federation? Rostselmash. Nothing else is remembered. And now compare for example with Samsung.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 23 March 2020 09: 35 New
        -2
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Here are some of our enterprises that successfully operate outside the Russian Federation? Rostselmash. Nothing else is remembered

        Rosatom, for example. Rosvooruzhenie. Although yes, this is not a "company" laughing

        I trudge with all the scouts good laughing good
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 23 March 2020 10: 22 New
          +1
          In Russia there is only one office that can supply arms to foreign customers - Rosoboronexport.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 23 March 2020 10: 21 New
        +2
        RosAtom bent all overseas. Even in the years of my studies in the early 2000s, individual production facilities of my native Nizhnekamskneftekhim could fatten due to export deliveries, having a profitability of 20%, although EMNIP in the world somewhere around 7-8% is enough to run a business at all. For export, a lot of things are supplied, in addition to the military, just no one notices.
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          2. EvilLion
            EvilLion 23 March 2020 12: 25 New
            +2
            You are real, some stubborn. That you need the state to take away, then it is not clear to anyone abroad why it is sponsoring. You have already decided whether the Russian state will definitely give a damn about the electricity in the houses of the Turks, or not. They will not go to the Kremlin to buzz.

            So turn on your brains and think, maybe they’re not fools sitting when credit cards give, so then they’ll put them on their needle for decades. Putin in the West was disliked exactly at the moment when he paid his debts.
            1. Salty
              Salty 23 March 2020 12: 56 New
              +4
              Quote: EvilLion
              Putin in the West was disliked exactly at the moment when he paid his debts

              It's too complicated, you have to be kinder and easier)))
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 12: 08 New
      -3
      That's right, to bring to mind the Soviet uncompetitive legacy is an arduous task, often impossible. More often it’s easier to shoot than to drag further.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 23 March 2020 08: 33 New
    -7
    The union of German machine builders and manufacturers of industrial equipment in their analytics puts Russia in 23rd place - after Singapore, Finland and the Czech Republic.


    Is the association of German manufacturers ready to somehow explain that the same Czech Republic now imports Skoda cars from Russia? Or it simply never said such nonsense, since Finland itself has no engineering at all, and the population there is 3.5 million people. EMNIP. This is a pair of Russian cities with large factories, Nab. Chelny with KAMAZ and Kazan with aircraft construction and Tatarstan alone will most likely surpass Finland in terms of mechanical engineering.

    A ship of a completely different class comes to mind - the Admiral Nakhimov heavy projectile rocket cruiser of Project 1144 Orlan.

    It was built in Soviet times in five and a half years.


    If you invest such resources, then you can build. The only question is the need for this atomic monster for the fleet. For some reason, in the Air Force or among the landmen, problems are solved much more successfully than in the Navy. Probably because they don’t have such problems with justifying why they should spend billions at all and why not build a Su-35 regiment instead of a frigate.

    This is only one part of engineering products. It is the most sensitive for the country, as it is associated with food production. The order of numbers here is as follows: in Germany, 1 tractors fall on 000 hectares of arable land, in the USA - 64, in Canada - 25, in Belarus - nine. In Russia, there are only three ...


    And where is this your Belarus? And what does the indicator of the number of tractors per area mean? Crops are made in order to grow something on them, and not to increase the number of equipment on them. And why in Canada the figure is 4 times less than in Germany? I think everything is obvious here, the point is the use of low-performance equipment, but if we assume that the next product of the Kirov plant is 300 or even 500 liters. with. and a toy mini tractor, like the one that we have in our factory greenhouse, for 1 tractor, then of course. Further, if the tractors are supposedly not enough, then where are the record yields in Russia? When Stalin began collectivization, everything was clear there, there is no agricultural technology and agricultural machines - there is no harvest. Now the harvest is there and it is obtained by using the minimum number of machines, which, as in the Stalin era, are provided to agricultural holdings by individual enterprises, unlike the USSR, where Khrushchev destroyed the agricultural destruction of MTS, after which the plants could drive any number of tractors, combines, trucks in the hands of collective farm drunks (and the best people were leaving for cities, the costs of accelerated urbanization), they quickly became piles of scrap metal. I also remember the Soviet "Wick" on the topic that defective spare parts are coming from factories, and only very developed workshops with a powerful machine park can fight this on the ground, which if they modify the counterfeit on their own, obviously this is not about collective farms either, and also should have aggravated the situation with the dispersal of MTS.
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 23 March 2020 09: 49 New
      +6
      Finland itself has no engineering at all

      The share of engineering in the Finnish economy is 20%. Export of engineering products by $ 10 billion per year (in Russia - $ 29 billion). At the same time, we purchase engineering products from Finland for 5 billion, and we sell to the Finns mechanical products - for 400 million.
      Kone Cranes - industrial and berthing cranes operate at the West Siberian and Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works, at the port of St. Petersburg.
      "Metso Minerals" - equipment for mining and processing plants, for cutting scrap metal and dismantling demolished buildings, the company's products were supplied to enterprises of the Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company and to the Alrosa company.
      Larox - filtration equipment, Larox filters work at the Chelyabinsk Zinc Plant, the Pechenga-Nickel and Norilsk Nickel combines
      Well, how not to remember Wartsil.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 23 March 2020 12: 31 New
        -1
        So 29 billion, sort of like more than 10 almost 3 times. I won’t even dig into the reliability of the numbers, although 5 lards, this is almost 1k for every Finn, including babies. Just let the author of the article indicate on what basis the rating is compiled, since in absolute numbers Finland and Singapore will not even surpass Russia together, well, nothing.
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 23 March 2020 13: 20 New
          +3
          I do not measure who is more, who is less. I only showed that
          Finland itself has no engineering at all

          not true.
          Well, as for the rating, I can answer for the author: the specifics of VDMA statistics is that it does not cover ready-made cars, planes, ships or, say, tanks, if we take the military industry. But it takes into account the motors, components, parts that are used in this technique, as well as the machines with which all these components are made.
          Roughly speaking, these statistics will show how much engineering products can be considered exactly native to the country, and not just a screwdriver assembly from other people's components.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 12: 06 New
      -6
      Soviet tractors, often, could not get under their own power from the station to the nearby state farm - they were pulled on a tie. And before putting into operation they demanded a thorough broaching and peeling. Well, who will buy this stuff after they have opened access to imported equipment. I’m not surprised that the plants were closed, I’m surprised that they have been teleporting for so long.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 23 March 2020 12: 27 New
        +7
        Yeah, that's why some MTZ model such-and-such in the outbacks after decades is still furrowed despite the fact that they, as it turns out, are rubbish.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 12: 35 New
          -4
          The same Volvo or D. Dira will snuffle much longer. It’s like a Lada and a modern Volkswagen. Or KAMAZ and MAN. Day and night.
      2. Campanella
        Campanella 23 March 2020 14: 06 New
        +1
        And where are the Russian high-quality ones?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 14: 12 New
          -3
          There are also high-quality Soviet / Russian cars. They are not and were not in nature. Rostselmash is the only exception.
          1. Campanella
            Campanella 23 March 2020 14: 15 New
            +2
            Well, here you have a significant result of the work of the brightest and all this clowning with rising from his knees.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 14: 21 New
              -1
              No, this is the result of more than 70 years of planned economy. Which weaned to produce competitive products. Here and for 20 and 30 years can not be raked. The very same China began reforms more than 40 years ago, and without excesses, as is usual with us and not in a swoop.
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 23 March 2020 14: 32 New
                +2
                Well do not make people laugh. You still remember the Battle of Kulikovo. For some reason, the oligarchy quickly built his life and life according to market laws, but in the economy they only had the mind to grab property from the country and milk raw materials.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 14: 53 New
                  -2
                  Where will marketers in the economy come from if they have been withdrawn as a class for so many years? It goes without saying that they only know how to grab.
                  1. Campanella
                    Campanella 23 March 2020 16: 18 New
                    +3
                    And where does the planned economy and Soviet power?
                    Speech about Russia, Putin explained the high salary of his top managers, so that they have cool foreign specialists. The question is, where are the results? After all, these foreign specialists are definitely not planners.
    3. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 23 March 2020 15: 48 New
      0
      [quote] Finland itself has no engineering at all, and the population there is 3.5 million people. EMNIP ./ [quote]
      Sisu look.
  • restless
    restless 23 March 2020 08: 55 New
    +5
    95 percent of industry has been destroyed since the Soviet Union, this is a deliberate sabotage and no one answered for it, although the names of saboteurs are known to everyone, they still live very happily, although they need to introduce preventive measures even to an exceptional one ....
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 23 March 2020 09: 12 New
      -6
      That's when you will earn money yourself, and not get from your parents, then you will talk about industry. And then the country is chewing, as never before, but for some reason there is no industry. Then at whose expense is the banquet?
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 23 March 2020 10: 07 New
        +2
        Banquet at the expense of raw materials! Oil, gas, timber, metal ...
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 23 March 2020 10: 16 New
          -1
          That is, you do not work, but only receive money from the sale of what others produce? Well, what for then you need? For example, I’m working at a tire factory, I have a slightly different problem here, there is nowhere to spit from shelving with tires in the workshop, the plan is huge, but there is no demand. Under the window change houses are also stacks. Last year, we generally stood for some time, however, we also had a "dispute between business entities" over rubber prices.
          1. Campanella
            Campanella 23 March 2020 10: 38 New
            -1
            And here I am looking for tires for a makeshift truck and there are none of ours.
            I am only glad that you work. But the trouble of your plant in the nomenclature and state policy is that it gave green light to imports and did not form an economic policy, giving everything to the market.
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 23 March 2020 12: 37 New
              0
              Probably because the plant has nothing more to do than think about tires for homemade carts. Small market. Probably bicycle wheels will suit you. You guys are wondering, you can introduce protectionist laws, but then they will be exactly the same in relation to us. The wand, it is about two ends, if we want to freely buy and sell something on the world market, we must also allow others to enter our market. No need to think in terms of the inhabitants of the country 404 with their eternal "A-us-for-what?". As for stock, we take what we take. We have, as it were, long markets.
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 23 March 2020 13: 57 New
                +3
                Strange you reason. Is the market of wheels for buggies, ATVs, mini tractors, cultivators, trolleys small?
                And the lazy one didn’t speak about protectionism, it exists and flourishes, and first of all in the West. The country's market should be open so that it does not suppress the country's industry. This is just the thoughtless opening of the market that led the country to zone 404.
                Are you complaining about the sale of which is not?
                And you yourself do not understand what leads to this.
            2. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 12: 53 New
              -2
              If it were not for the market, then, with a greater degree of probability, you would not have bought any tires for the trolley, either imported or domestic. Remember how with a scoop welded tires of cars. Probably from abundance?
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 23 March 2020 14: 01 New
                +4
                It's about why I can’t buy exactly Russian tires. The Chinese have a frantic assortment. But the representative of our factory simply replied that they were not interested in releasing the tires I needed, you see there is no demand, and he immediately says that what they produce lies in the warehouse and without much demand.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 14: 16 New
                  -2
                  China operates on the world market, therefore, it is simply obliged to keep the bar. And this our plant will soon go bankrupt if it releases something that is not in demand. How many of our other enterprises went bankrupt and ceased to exist, for the same reason - the lack of demand for their products. Noncompetitiveness.
                  1. Campanella
                    Campanella 23 March 2020 14: 28 New
                    -1
                    The most interesting thing is that an employee of the plant and a participant in our forum thinks unevenly in terms of the state, while advocating for the market. Paradox(((
        2. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 23 March 2020 12: 56 New
          -2
          And the currency in the USSR did for another ??? tongue
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 23 March 2020 11: 38 New
      -4
      And it’s time for you, the provocateur, to take measures. Moreover, you lie unconvincingly.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 23 March 2020 08: 58 New
    -4
    However, the sustainability of the economy also depends on how machine-building satisfies domestic demand. World experience defines this indicator at the level of 70%. Moreover, the share of own elements in the product should be 40-60%.

    The Soviet Union corresponded to these parameters and even exceeded them.


    Now this may come as a surprise, but in the 1960s the USSR, for example, didn’t care much for the domestic market of passenger cars; it supplied Muscovites not to where, but to Zap. Europe. But then the USSR actually bought turnkey VAZs and models for production, but already in the 80s there were much more people who wanted to buy cars than the factories could offer, a separate song about spare parts, who are interested in looking for a vidosik on a y-tube on a topic filmed in 1984 The year "Papa bought a car" is called. Well, the cars went for export whenever possible, even if their price at the exchange rate was several times lower than the ruble price of the domestic. the market. Currency is more important. Why is it more important? Because feudal subsistence farming in the 20th century does not channel, you need to produce so much that even the USSR did not pull, and you still had to buy different unique equipment.

    It is clear that in the USSR there was a huge army, which 99% had its own, well, these are the realities of those years that should be reckoned with.

    As for civil aviation, I’m afraid that boasting there in Soviet times is possible only for the Tu-154 and Il-76, which is really the “default” cargo plane in the world. Well, Mi-8. It was only worth letting the newly emerging airlines take Boeings, they began to take Boeings. That is, the Soviet civil aviation industry existed exclusively within the framework of artificial isolation, and unlike the SSJ, which at least somehow pushed among competitors, it was uncompetitive.

    In general, any reasoning that some industries were deliberately destroyed in our country is just dog nonsense, the same military man who has survived the main enemy of the West, for example, the 90s, especially aviation. RosAtom is now practically a monopolist in its market, competitors were in the form of contingent US (Westinghouse owned by Toshiba) and France, but were blown away. It’s just that a lot of Soviet enterprises, created in conditions of a lack of qualified specialists, to produce something that was not in the Republic of Ingushetia in general, in principle, could not withstand competition with Western concerns, which could have been leaders in their industry for 100 years and had incomparable resources.
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 23 March 2020 10: 03 New
      0
      You simply do not own the information in such a peremptory way to reason.
    2. Avior
      Avior 23 March 2020 11: 13 New
      +2
      Already from the beginning of the 60s, the line of people who wanted to buy a car was 10 years ahead, especially since there was really a tiny amount of them in free sale — most of them were distributed among enterprises where they were distributed among the leading workers, bosses and other prominent people. smile
      Father in such a system became the owner of a "penny" in 1973.
      Invited to stores by coupons, something like this

      Those who managed to buy in turn, immediately recorded again.
      The second car would not be sold until you sell the first.
      1. Old partisan
        Old partisan 23 March 2020 12: 29 New
        -2
        As I understand it, your dad waited a penny for 10 years, and finally in 1973 she was one of the first in the country
        1. Avior
          Avior 23 March 2020 13: 09 New
          +3
          No
          My father got out of turn for distribution, as a production leader, 10 years did not stand.
          It was a big wonder, among my friends there were only two people who had cars at that time, their parents had hay.
          One of them was the boss, although not very large, the second bought a used one.
  • Esaul
    Esaul 23 March 2020 08: 58 New
    +3
    So for 30 years of capitalism, we have practically not invented anything new, on the contrary, we have just collapsed and forgotten. Our electronic industry has remained at the level of the game "wait a moment", effective managers are to blame.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 13: 08 New
      -2
      Our electronic industry has always been at the level of "Wait a minute", both Soviet and Russian, do not flatter yourself. It is impossible to ruin something that, in general, was not there.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 23 March 2020 09: 02 New
    +2
    Does anyone still believe promises? and statements? even in the military sphere ???

    Indeed, in the civilian sphere for a long time ...... he does not believe. Neither in housing and communal services, nor in retirement, nor in inflation 4%, nor in import substitution, nor in the Strategy 2010, 2020, the moon 2015 and other delights ...

    Or does someone still believe? Call out!
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 23 March 2020 10: 01 New
      -1
      The military industry is directly related to the civilian. But the civilian is in a coma because orders are slowed down, the whole problem is to get high-quality components.
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 23 March 2020 10: 45 New
        -2
        This is understandable and agree.
        The question is a little bit sided, as a result of the article. Is there a real way out in the near future and whether to believe in “breakthroughs” in the defense industry ...
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 23 March 2020 11: 19 New
          -2
          I personally do not see no desire to do anything or plans.
          So the answer is no. Money is stupidly downloaded to the defense industry, but this is not a solution to the problems. And if you go from it, then everything will be too long.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 23 March 2020 11: 43 New
      -2
      Literacy first learn. And then make an appointment.
  • Andrey Mikhaylov
    Andrey Mikhaylov 23 March 2020 09: 20 New
    +4
    Previously, many companies operating in the Russian market preferred to ignore the domestic manufacturer, acquiring this or that product in China. There is nothing surprising in this state of affairs: goods from the Middle Kingdom are favorably distinguished by a relatively low cost and not the worst quality. However, the spread around the world of a dangerous disease that appeared precisely in the PRC has made certain adjustments.


    Now, domestic and foreign companies have turned their eyes to Russian industrialists, whose products are in no way inferior to Chinese counterparts. And in some respects it is completely superior. A striking example in this case is the Lipetsk Machine Tool Building Industry (LSSP), which turned out to be bombarded with orders.

    The LSSP press release states that the production facilities of the enterprise are loaded two months ahead. Thus, those wishing to purchase Lipetsk machines have to stand in line. On average, it takes about two months to produce one large product. Proceeding from this, delay in terms of the order will lead to the fact that the client will only be able to get products closer to the end of the year ....
    Source: https://politexpert.net/189482-za-rossiiskimi-stankami-vystroilas-ochered-iz-zakazchikov?utm_source=finobzor.ru
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 23 March 2020 09: 58 New
      0
      Bullshit is everything. What is produced in our country on Lipetsk machines? Examples. The last thing I came across was the Nizhny Novgorod quartz home irradiator.
      1. Andrey Mikhaylov
        Andrey Mikhaylov 23 March 2020 10: 01 New
        -1
        Cnc machines
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 23 March 2020 10: 35 New
          0
          What do they do on these machines? What product?
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 23 March 2020 12: 47 New
            -1
            Quote: Campanella
            What do they do on these machines? What product?

            And what is done on grinding and milling machines, of course, oil and gas! wink
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 23 March 2020 14: 02 New
              +3
              You did not understand the question. Where are the products that are made on these machines? On sale.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 23 March 2020 15: 41 New
                -1
                It’s you who ask store owners - they choose what to sell and what not.
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 25 March 2020 09: 22 New
                  +1
                  Store owners sell what is sold for profit.
                  Do we live in capitalism? Or not?
              2. Serg65
                Serg65 25 March 2020 09: 03 New
                -4
                Quote: Campanella
                Where are the products that are made on these machines?

                Tommaso, you are an interesting person good wink . If someone buys machines, then someone does something on these machines ... or do you think that someone is buying these machines in large quantities exclusively for the collection ?? belay
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 25 March 2020 09: 21 New
                  +1
                  So I want to understand where is that product? I think so for the most part they go to the defense industry.
                  And this suggests that the civilian sector is charged with quick money i.e. Soviet-style forcing bought-sold.
                  And this, in turn, indicates the ineffectiveness of Putin's economic doctrine, if he has one. I didn’t hear him speak clearly about this. Like Medvedev, it all comes down to investments.
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 25 March 2020 10: 38 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Campanella
                    I think so for the most part they go to the defense industry.

                    belay And where else can circular grinding, flat grinding, internal grinding and a CNC milling machine go ... to the food industry?
                    Quote: Campanella
                    And this suggests that the civilian sector is charged for quick money.

                    smile You have interesting logic! Machines of this profile are used either in the defense industry or in machine tool building, but not as in the production of televisions, refrigerators and consumer goods! Modern technologies, for example, metal processing, make it possible to exclude many operations from the process (and this includes machines and tools!), Take at least a hydraulic cutter ... you will receive the required part many times cheaper and many times faster! And what does it mean?
                    Quote: Campanella
                    this in turn indicates the inefficiency of Putin's economic doctrine

                    It only says that you are in a difficult search for any fact to defame the authorities and more!
                    Quote: Campanella
                    I didn’t hear him speak clearly about it.

                    He who wants to hear will always hear, but he who does not want to always find something to complain about, and if he does not, he will come up with pleasure!
                    Quote: Campanella
                    Like Medvedev, it all comes down to investments.

                    what Tommaso, but did the great Stalinist industrialization begin with investments and didn’t the lack of investments prevent the same Stalin from building battleships and SDs on the new border?
                    1. Campanella
                      Campanella 25 March 2020 20: 00 New
                      0
                      I look at the factories for the presence of industry in a country called modern Russia. And we even stopped producing hardware, you can’t find Russian and high-quality ones.
                      As for the government, I see no reason to praise it, and you are an all-righteous regime that merges the economy ... and this is not my assessment, but quite competent economists and entrepreneurs.
                      And believe me, I would gladly accept good economic news, but they are not.
                      I see you have a poor idea of ​​the creation process, money is important in it, but it is not the main thing.
                      Putin invests billions in the same defense industry and most of them are dissolved in the pockets of scavengers and authoritative people fed by liberals.
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 23 March 2020 09: 24 New
    +3
    ... push out foreign partners from the domestic market

    If partners, then foreign, and if you use the word foreign - then the invaders. So it will be closer to reality.
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 23 March 2020 09: 56 New
      -3
      Why displace if there is no sane strategy? Back to the Stone Age as a result.
  • ddd1975
    ddd1975 23 March 2020 09: 25 New
    +5
    According to the article, it is not clear what was compared with what ?! In Russia, there can be no technology like in the USSR, just Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Belarus and other republics have become states. The article compares the technique per 1 hectares - Belarus goes a separate line, and Russia a separate line ... So maybe this is the case, maybe you need to compare comparable things? Or write information in general - in the USSR “X”, in Russia “A” + and list Ukraine, Kazakhstan and so on.
  • Old partisan
    Old partisan 23 March 2020 09: 44 New
    +4
    Good question. Comparison I live in Novosibirsk. Long.
    Once it was a city of labor glory, an industrial giant.
    Now it’s all traders.
    Sibselmash is a ruin, almost any plant in the past is now a warehouse or site for the construction of high-rise buildings. Well, it’s clear where the land came from in Siberia.
    And what, forgive me, for comparing?
  • Operator
    Operator 23 March 2020 09: 52 New
    -10
    The highest level of Soviet engineering corresponded to the level of the United States in the 1930s, when turnkey Americans built several hundred industrial enterprises in the USSR. A good example of the Soviet mechanical engineering of the 1980s is the Soviet automobile industry.

    To modernize domestic engineering, the USSR had to collapse, abandon the communist ideology with its worldwide expansion, freeze the military-industrial complex for a while, and only then gain access to modern technology.
  • Campanella
    Campanella 23 March 2020 09: 54 New
    0
    Where does domestic demand come from? The entire production sector is crushed due to imports. And in national projects there is no program for at least some meaningful movement in this direction.
    As a person of a technical warehouse, I simply do not understand these lawyers and economists who lead the country. They simply because of their horizons are not able to create. The techie should be at the head of the industry, and not who is responsible now? Manturov is an empty place. And before him, Khristenko. With such a personnel policy, nothing will happen.
    Putin surrounded himself with security officials, athletes, artists, economists, cultural figures, doctors, publicists ... empty people for industry and, naturally, Russia has been standing still for 20 years.
    While Putin does not leave with his understanding of the state, nothing will change. Yes, he is pouring money into the defense industry, but the effect of them is meager in a liberal unbalanced economy.
  • aglet
    aglet 23 March 2020 10: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    and our Kremlin wiseacres, when they decided to start the oil war, ALL the risks for themselves calculated?

    for themselves, they, of course, calculated the risks
  • aglet
    aglet 23 March 2020 10: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: EvilLion
    Do you know that before KAMAZ there were no heavy trucks in the USSR at all?

    Zil, Maz, Kraz is only civilian, and the on-board computer in a car is far from the main detail
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 12: 47 New
      +1
      One of the main parameters of the truck is the convenience of the driver’s workplace. In Soviet trucks it wasn’t from the word “in general” A primitive sleeping bag, lack of air conditioning, noisy, inconvenient location of working bodies. Why, as soon as our truckers quickly transferred to foreign cars, that is, voted in rubles. Here you have the vaunted Soviet auto industry.
  • aglet
    aglet 23 March 2020 10: 17 New
    -1
    Quote: EvilLion
    And then the country is chewing, as never before, but for some reason there is no industry. Then at whose expense is the banquet?

    well, it’s not the country that is fattening, but its individual representatives. oil, gas, round timber, and “new oil” are the sources of their well-being
  • aglet
    aglet 23 March 2020 10: 21 New
    -1
    Quote: bar
    And one of the districts of the city has still retained its historical name - the GUS, short for "paramilitary building detachment."

    All in all, these are military-construction detachments, for the simplest- the construction battalion. they really built a lot, and housing, and enterprises, the same KAMAZ, but these are not prisoners
  • aglet
    aglet 23 March 2020 10: 26 New
    -2
    Quote: EvilLion
    it’s just dog nonsense, the same military man who is the main enemy of the West, for example, survived the 90s,

    This is especially noticeable in the field of naval ship construction - for ten years, cutters have been built, and everything else has begun to be produced several times less, and nothing new is being produced, everything has been touched from Soviet aircraft, guns, tanks, etc.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 March 2020 16: 52 New
      0
      Well, yes, only in the USSR they didn’t do steelsfrigates, stelskarvets and RTOs with universal launchers — but Russia does. As well as economical diesel engines as well as aircraft engines.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 23 March 2020 18: 28 New
        +2
        no stealth frigates, stelskarvets and RTOs with universal launchers

        Everything is corny. Nobody did them then. So, as an argument - it is doubtful.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 March 2020 18: 40 New
          +1
          As an argument, such universal launchers in the United States appeared in the late 70s.
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 24 March 2020 08: 43 New
            +1
            Ahhh, it was necessary to separate the "stealth frigates, stealth guns and RTOs" from the "universal launchers." Then I agree. But this still did not become an argument for anything.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 24 March 2020 20: 32 New
              0
              It just did become such universal launchers that they began to do only in the late 2000s.
              1. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 25 March 2020 08: 30 New
                +1
                Are you a traveler in parallel worlds and therefore you can definitely say that if the Union had not broken up, then similar launchers would not have appeared there before the 2000s? The Americans Mk41 appeared on ships since 1986, when the Soviet Union pulled rapidly to the finals, I will not "catastrophe" in five years and we would have had an analogue of Mk41. And your statements from the category - in the USSR there were no mobile phones, but we have.
  • DeusExMachina
    DeusExMachina 23 March 2020 10: 28 New
    0
    And will not catch up. Within the globalized capitalist system, Russia has a place of a resource base for producing countries.
  • aglet
    aglet 23 March 2020 10: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: EvilLion
    As for civil aviation, I’m afraid that boasting there in Soviet times is possible except for the Tu-154 and Il-76

    but for some reason at that time in any area there were domestic flights, even on the An-2, and passengers were carried.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 12: 11 New
      0
      This is in what place Tupolem could boast then? Frantic fuel consumption and, accordingly, a small range and payload, compared with analogues of developed countries. Primitive avionics and four-membered crew, as a result.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 March 2020 16: 54 New
      -1
      Now all have cars.
  • Alexy
    Alexy 23 March 2020 11: 34 New
    +1
    Is it IN or Echo of Moscow ???
    Judging by the comments - the second (
  • DNS-a42
    DNS-a42 23 March 2020 11: 43 New
    +1
    The bourgeois Atlanteans, straightening their shoulders, have been trying for 30 years to catch up with the "backward scoops." And these people still dare to say something about 70 years lost for Russia.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 March 2020 17: 00 New
      0
      Russia is not trying to catch up with the USSR, since everything that the USSR created in the civilian sector was physically and morally obsolete 30 years ago. Therefore, we are trying to create essentially from scratch relying on foreign modern experience and equipment.
  • Igor Dvornikov
    Igor Dvornikov 23 March 2020 12: 36 New
    +1
    We must ask Chubais. - How did this happen?
  • ultra
    ultra 23 March 2020 13: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Therefore, one should not be surprised at the closure of these enterprises. They are easier to shoot than to drag further.

    We “shot” and didn’t build a new one. Do you think this is better? Someone named Gaidar generally said that we don’t need our planes either, we would sell everything. Here, according to his “precepts”, they were rebuilt. negative
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 13: 39 New
      -3
      If new and build, then only world-class, otherwise it is money spent in vain: uncompetitive enterprises will not survive. And catching up with global brands is a daunting task. Alas, passenger planes were rather backward, so that Gaidar was right. No airline will allow itself to purchase a non-competitive product, therefore we fly on Watermelons-Bobiks, otherwise the price of air tickets will become unbearable.
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  • Kryukov Vasioi
    Kryukov Vasioi 23 March 2020 14: 28 New
    +1
    First of all, it is necessary to produce machines, equipment, production lines (unit 1 — production of means of production for the production of means of production) for factories producing machine tools, equipment, production lines (unit 2 — production of means of production for the production of consumer goods), which are already produced tractors, combines, tomographs, etc. To do this, it is necessary to introduce a scheme of lowering tax rates not for enterprises and organizations, but for specific machines, equipment, etc. The chart in the form of a table may look like this: the vertical of the table indicates specific engineering products (machines, equipment, etc.), products ( names of products, products, services, their characteristics). Horizontal list of federal, regional and local taxes, non-tax revenues, utility bills, as well as the column "Financing (from various sources)." For each specified and approved product (service) product, a reduction rate for taxes and other payments is introduced. The percentage reduction tax rate can vary, that is, it can be reduced by 25, 50 or 100 percent (or in other proportions). In some cases, the state can cover the costs of paying utility bills, paying interest on bank loans, and in special cases financing the products on the list. As a result of introducing the scheme of lowering rates, the following results can be obtained:
    1. Clearly define the necessary for a given period for the country machine tools, equipment, etc.
    2. Choose state priorities of a scientific, technical and social nature.
    3. Protect the interests of domestic producers.
    4. To promote the implementation of state regulation of economic processes without interference in the economic activities of enterprises and organizations.
    5. Get the opportunity of state-market regulation of the rate of return, investment flows.
    6. Decrease in the level of corruption.
    1. Dmitry V.
      Dmitry V. 23 March 2020 15: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Hooks Vasioi
      For this, it is necessary to introduce a scheme of lowering tax rates not for enterprises and organizations, but for specific machines, equipment, etc. The scheme in the form


      There is no dear comrade - we have introduced waste collection on equipment.
      Now it’s too luxurious to buy new equipment - 20 families owning large agricultural holdings can handle this.
      Twenty landowners control 7,9 million hectares in Russia worth 471,6 billion rubles.
      https://www.yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.ru%2Fmilliardery-photogallery%2F378069-hozyaeva-zemli-russkoy-20-samyh-dorogih-zemlevladeniy-rossii-reyting
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  • Radikal
    Radikal 23 March 2020 14: 36 New
    0
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    One of the main parameters of the truck is the convenience of the driver’s workplace. In Soviet trucks it wasn’t from the word “in general” A primitive sleeping bag, lack of air conditioning, noisy, inconvenient location of working bodies. Why, as soon as our truckers quickly transferred to foreign cars, that is, voted in rubles. Here you have the vaunted Soviet auto industry.

    It remains to be wondered how the war was won .... winked With commentators like you, this is unlikely to happen. sad
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 March 2020 17: 18 New
      -4
      The enemy was overwhelmed with corpses - 28 million Soviet citizens were killed maimed or disappeared, the former prisoners were recorded as traitors and after the war they were sent to camps; until now, search engines have dug shells and bones. The USSR was lucky that Hitler was still the "strategist" to rake his forces south and north, and if he listened to Guderian who begged him to join all army groups, then the Germans in September Moscow would have had no ragged and cold Russian divisions they didn’t slow down and it’s good that this did not happen with 28 million of the country, in which case it would definitely not have escaped.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 March 2020 19: 42 New
      -3
      So you think that the descendants of the winners deserve to work on buckets with bolts? Yes, comfort at the workplace is an important thing, or will Russian Vanya endure everything?
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 23 March 2020 15: 24 New
    +1
    But the main thing was the lack of harvesting equipment, which was directly connected with the failures in the domestic agricultural machinery industry.

    Also find a non-drinking machine operator for cleaning.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 23 March 2020 16: 49 New
    +2
    If you compare companies that work for export. With companies working in the domestic market. It’s a prince and a beggar. The first one is spinning. And they are paying with the producers in rubles. And they will not give up their place.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 23 March 2020 16: 51 New
    +3
    Previously, the Union launched our satellites. And in large numbers. Now-foreign.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 23 March 2020 19: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    The enemy was overwhelmed with corpses - 28 million Soviet citizens were killed maimed or disappeared, the former prisoners were recorded as traitors and after the war they were sent to camps; until now, search engines have dug shells and bones. The USSR was lucky that Hitler was still the "strategist" to rake his forces south and north, and if he listened to Guderian who begged him to join all army groups, then the Germans in September Moscow would have had no ragged and cold Russian divisions they didn’t slow down and it’s good that this did not happen with 28 million of the country, in which case it would definitely not have escaped.

    It’s not you that for I. Chubais libel wrote about WWII? sad
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 March 2020 20: 11 New
      -2
      For the short-sighted decisions of the leadership, as well as the foolishness of generals, the country paid too much, but could pay an even bigger concept to the people a lot and women still give birth to 2019 and did not work.
      1. tatra
        tatra 23 March 2020 21: 26 New
        -1
        The “humanity” of the enemies of the USSR is included exclusively in your anti-Soviet propaganda. OUTSIDE it - in relation to the victims of the people in the Russian Empire and your "independence" in the territory of the former USSR, all of you have proved your real inhuman essence.
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  • aglet
    aglet 24 March 2020 08: 34 New
    -3
    Quote: Vadim237
    Well, yes, only in the USSR they didn’t do steelsfrigates, stelskarvets and RTOs with universal launchers — but Russia does. As well as economical diesel engines as well as aircraft engines.

    all this was built but not called so pompously. and the engines were their own, and ship and aircraft. Now you have enough power and mind to go to katerki-mrk in your opinion, and the rest is dreams
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 March 2020 20: 35 New
      -2
      Show me at least one RTO or frigate built in the USSR using low visibility technology?
  • mirexes
    mirexes 24 March 2020 12: 00 New
    +1
    What a hell of a thing it’s in the head to compare the USSR with Russia, because it’s right to compare the RSFSR with Russia, and if you compare with the USSR then even with Russia + the republics of the former social camp, then it’s honestly
    1. place
      place 24 March 2020 14: 16 New
      -2
      Quote: mirexes
      Then the USSR then with Russia + the Republic of the former social camp, then it will be honest

      -------------

      Fuck yourself! It was about honesty ..... the truth is incomprehensible, where does the "republic of the former social camp." They did not enter the USSR. Strange "honesty." In addition, in the USSR there was an inter-republican division of labor. The RSFSR could not produce goods at all, which was cheaper to produce in other republics of the USSR.

      But you can give an example of meat production in the Russian Federation. After 2017, the Russian Federation reached the level of the RSFSR in 1990. Hurray! Although it does not match the number of livestock. Probably now they have learned to get 10 times more meat from one calf than in the USSR. Judging by the quality of sausages, you can guess how.

      Or, say, "the problem of the Soviet food shortage." That he was in the USSR - said a million times. And how did he disappear a week after the Yeltsin decree on market prices in early 1992? Where did the products that “Gaidar satiated the market” came from when he “saved the country from hunger”? From liberal values?

      I believe that the same is true for other points. In the Russian Federation there is "high technology" called "hightack!" But in fact, much that is "made in the Russian Federation" is made in China.
      Well, in the USSR, nothing happened at all ..... because it couldn’t be. There generally lived people with two heads and barked a dog and everything was not right with them ...
      WHAT IS NOW IN NATURE? Some terrible industrial zones on the site of former factories, overgrown with arable land and hogweed, the ruins of collective farm barn.
      1. mirexes
        mirexes 24 March 2020 14: 24 New
        0
        Quote: ort
        the truth is not clear, and here is the "republic of the former social camp." They did not enter the USSR.

        I did not read further, but who then entered the USSR? is Russia alone?
        1. place
          place 24 March 2020 15: 35 New
          -3
          Quote: mirexes
          I did not read further, but who then entered the USSR? is Russia alone?

          Quote: mirexes
          Republic of the former social camp

          ---------------------
          Yes ..... they survived. After 1945, the "Social Camp" appeared, which included: Poland, Hungary, East Germany, Bulgaria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Mongolia, China .... ...they did not enter the USSR
          Bln, this is how it happens ....... you write, you write, and suddenly it turns out that on the other end of the wire is simply a "man of a new formation." ..... thank you for not being a robot ....
          1. mirexes
            mirexes 25 March 2020 07: 06 New
            -1
            Yes, but Kazakhstan, Usraina, Belarus ........ did not enter? Yes. Here’s a wise guy when you bring your stupid comparisons, then summarize the USSR vs Russia + Belarus + Usraina + Kazakhstan ....... that you exclude them and only compare the USSR with Russia, you imbitsil
      2. mirexes
        mirexes 24 March 2020 14: 33 New
        +1
        For example, you better tell us how it happened that one Russia grows grain more than the whole USSR
        1. place
          place 24 March 2020 15: 45 New
          -3
          .
          Quote: mirexes
          For example, you better tell us how it happened that one Russia grows grain more than the whole USSR


          But didn’t you read the statistics from Rosstat? Can you read, or just write? By 2016, grain production in Russia reached the level of 1990 production in the RSFSR What did they do for 26 years? During this time, normal nations have gone far ahead. In the USSR, grain production in the late 80s was twice as large. than in the RSFSR.
          1. mirexes
            mirexes 25 March 2020 07: 04 New
            -1
            Alen, you, the USSR went 70 years to this and used gratuitous labor, but look, Russia, having not used gratuitous force for 26 years, couldn’t, you are a real clown
      3. mirexes
        mirexes 24 March 2020 15: 04 New
        +3
        Are you taught somewhere that they should always shit on the house you live in, in any situation and in any situation, be sure to scam your house? such as you always just go crazy how everything is terrible and bad with us, the question is what are you doing here then? or the owner does not allow to leave? you all runet in the comments dirtied. Therefore, they will never vote for you, if only for the reason that you are shit and invite everyone to become shit. If you were in the West with such comments, you would have been sent there long ago for such activities
        1. place
          place 24 March 2020 15: 50 New
          -3
          Quote: mirexes
          Are you taught somewhere that they should always shit on the house you live in, in any situation and in any situation, be sure to scam your house?

          ------------

          You have not just ruined your home. Or, I guess, not you, but your ancestors. And just ruined your house. They gave it to the hands of bandits.
          Normal descendants do not forgive such matters. But you, poor fellow, also brainwashed, turned inside out and inserted upside down.
  • RusGr
    RusGr 24 March 2020 12: 07 New
    +3
    Yeah .... VO has slipped to the level of "ECA of Moscow" and the same "patriotic" mood, commenting conglomerate!
    1. mirexes
      mirexes 24 March 2020 12: 32 New
      +3
      it’s for sure, even somehow there’s no desire to go here once again.
      1. place
        place 24 March 2020 13: 36 New
        -5
        Quote: mirexes
        already, even somehow, there’s no desire to come here again.

        --------
        And who makes? Employer? Your disappointments are clear .... you just have to mark the territory, because there is nothing more to cover.
        1. mirexes
          mirexes 24 March 2020 14: 24 New
          +2
          you yourself do not measure all the times you get the salary from the bulk managers so work out
          1. place
            place 24 March 2020 17: 07 New
            -2
            Quote: mirexes
            in bulk workers so work out

            ---------------------------
            Quote: ort
            And who makes? Employer?



            Heh, heh .... I just asked a question, and you are immediately “on the person” ......... This only confirms the idea that someone has “nothing to cover”, BUT obligations to the employer have to perform .......
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 24 March 2020 17: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: mirexes
        it’s for sure, even somehow there’s no desire to go here once again.

        but how to have fun with the parallel reality of the pseudo-communists ?? !!! wink laughing
  • TANKISTONE
    TANKISTONE 24 March 2020 19: 11 New
    0
    Pessimist22 (Igor)
    It is necessary to ask the drivers and machine operators what is better and easier to work on, imported or domestic equipment, Volvo, Scania or KAMAZ.
    In the early 90s, a tender for raising the mining industry from its knees, announced by the Kazakh guarantor, was won by one well-known South Korean company that invested equipment. Underground technology appeared overseas production. Work better, easier, faster - YES! On-time service, spare parts and consumables - do you know how much they cost ???
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 25 March 2020 06: 55 New
    +1
    The share of the Soviet Union accounted for 20% of world industrial production.

    Those bules are just galoshes, as our Harant lined up! lol
    Thus, the share of engineering in the industry of the USSR was about 40%.

    Again, lie all lie! lol Why for the production of galoshes such a percentage of mechanization?
    The nineties accustomed us to the fact that Russia in many ways lost its mechanical engineering, its volumes fell sharply.

    So, we got rid of communism and in the global economy we took our place indicated by our partners ... We built in, built in, and finally built into the "middle class" with an income of 200 am. dollars ...
    Urya! A curtain.
  • tsinik
    tsinik 25 March 2020 12: 54 New
    +1
    It is not clear what the article is about. I would like to understand the following points:
    = In Germany, 1 tractors per 000 hectares of arable land, 64 in the USA, 25 in Canada, and nine in Belarus. In Russia - only three ... = We take the average wheat yield (Data for 16) by country:
    USA - 7340 kg / ha * 1000 ha / 25 tractors - productivity 263600 kg per tractor.
    Russia - 2240 kg / ha * 1000 ha / 3 tractors - productivity 746666 kg per tractor. Thus, in Russia, tractors are used much more efficiently.
    There is no shortage of tractors in Russia either. So produce as much as needed.
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  • aglet
    aglet 26 March 2020 08: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    Show me at least one RTO or frigate built in the USSR using low visibility technology?

    were they even then? and is there any practical sense in these stellotechnologies? Any boat, even the smallest, will be more of an airplane or a rocket, you can’t hide it. Tu-160, in general, never a stealth, and nothing, the adversaries tremble. and MRK, with their cruising range, what kind of stealth, what are you talking about? And frigates, as far as I remember, were not built in the USSR