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Five of the eight pledged APRK "Borey" will be sent to the Pacific Fleet

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There was evidence that the command of the Russian Navy had decided to transfer nuclear submarines of project 955 Borey to the Pacific Fleet. We are talking about five fourth-generation submarine missile carriers, which are among the eight previously laid down for construction.


The newspaper reports on the transfer of Boreev to the Far East in its article "News". According to the publication, submarines will be transferred to the Pacific Fleet base on the Kamchatka Peninsula.

Such measures are being taken to strengthen the power of the Pacific fleet Russian Federation, as well as the restoration of the underwater nuclear arsenal, which after the collapse of the Soviet Union was largely lost.

To date, the Russian Navy Pacific Fleet has two submarines of project 955 Borey. These are the nuclear submarines "Alexander Nevsky" and "Vladimir Monomakh", the base of which is Vilyuchinsk. These submarines were transferred to Pacific submariners in 2013 and 2014, respectively.

With the transfer of an additional five nuclear missile carriers to the Russian Navy Pacific Fleet, its submarine nuclear potential will be significantly increased and may turn out to be almost equal to the corresponding potential of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy.
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  1. avia12005
    avia12005 23 March 2020 06: 24 New
    -4
    This is the right decision. Let Japan scratch turnips. She is now the Navy for shock capabilities is very impressive.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 23 March 2020 06: 28 New
      10
      what does Japan have to do with it
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 23 March 2020 06: 31 New
        -5
        Despite the fact that in Japan they can also be applied
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 23 March 2020 08: 49 New
          +9
          Quote: avia12005
          Despite the fact that in Japan they can also be applied

          Shoot from long-range guns at a neighboring yard?
      2. Grits
        Grits 23 March 2020 09: 48 New
        -1
        Quote: Tlauicol
        what does Japan have to do with it

        При том, что флот Японии сейчас по своей мощи превышает не только ТОФ, но и, скорее всего, весь ВМФ России. Там одних только современных эсминцев под 40 единиц. А еще десантные корабли такого класса, которые мы даже не научились строить, куча сторожевиков, и современных подводных лодок. Хоть и не атомных, но "моторчики" у них такие, что нам еще лет тридцать таких не иметь.
        And Japan is right there. A few hundred kilometers from my house.
        1. akribos
          akribos 24 March 2020 13: 36 New
          +2
          I wonder why you put the cons? Unfortunately, our Pacific Fleet, if we exclude the nuclear component, loses to many in its region. If we take into account that the Pacific Ocean’s area of ​​responsibility is two oceans, the situation is even more alarming. Although there are progress towards improvement, we will hope for progressive movement.
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 23 March 2020 06: 29 New
      +3
      It's not just about Japan. And what about the Pacific Fleet of the United States, which spins in this region and is significant in number (including aircraft carriers)? This decision is of course welcome.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 23 March 2020 06: 33 New
        +2
        what does the aircraft carrier have to do with it
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 23 March 2020 06: 45 New
          -4
          Firstly, I responded to the comment of avia12005 by drawing his attention to the fact that he forgot to mention the American fleet in this region. Secondly, speaking about the number, I emphasized that it is significant including and aircraft carriers. Any questions?
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 23 March 2020 07: 11 New
            10
            Quote: rotmistr60
            Any questions?

            There is. Do you really think that Northwind is against the ships?
          2. g1v2
            g1v2 23 March 2020 12: 13 New
            +4
            Strategists are designed to strike the mbr on the territory of the enemy, and not on his ships. Strategists just have to hide and protect from foreign ships.
    3. Sailor
      Sailor 23 March 2020 06: 30 New
      16
      Не будед же "стратег" за кораблями и лодками охотиться,это прерогатива многоцедевых,а стратег должен не попасться а запустить и попасть.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 23 March 2020 06: 34 New
        -5

        With the transfer of an additional five nuclear missile carriers to the Russian Navy Pacific Fleet, its submarine nuclear potential will be significantly increased and may turn out to be almost equal to the corresponding potential of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy.
        question: how many years will it take?
    4. mvg
      mvg 23 March 2020 07: 03 New
      +1
      Let Japan scratch turnips

      Another hooray, can tell you how to shoot with Pacific Fleet SLBMs in Japan? Well, at least approximately? Or just what thread to write? Lord, that's crazy
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 23 March 2020 07: 14 New
        +1
        can tell you how to shoot with the SLBM submarines in Japan? Well, at least approximately?

        About 1.1-1.15 revolutions around the earth and flew by. fellow
        1. avia12005
          avia12005 23 March 2020 08: 15 New
          +2
          Well, if you think remotely, then it’s clear. I explain: the Japanese Navy always has the task of acting together with the US Navy to find and track our SSBNs in the Pacific. That is, their forces and means are distracted by this task, which logically facilitates the actions of other forces and means of Pacific Fleet. Now it is clear? And I didn’t say a word about the strike on Japan)
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 23 March 2020 09: 30 New
            0
            Quote: avia12005
            And I didn’t say a word about the strike on Japan)

            Then how to understand this?
            in Japan they can also be applied
            1. avia12005
              avia12005 24 March 2020 08: 08 New
              +1
              To understand this: they can, does not mean that this is their main goal and they will be applied when they are at the pier) That is, can be used while in positional areas. For example, at the North Pole. Or somewhere in the Indian Ocean.
      2. novel66
        novel66 23 March 2020 07: 23 New
        +2
        You can take a ram!
        1. bayard
          bayard 23 March 2020 10: 50 New
          +1
          Gored Aircraft Carrier? belay
          1. novel66
            novel66 23 March 2020 10: 52 New
            +5
            yes to Japan right away!
            1. bayard
              bayard 23 March 2020 10: 57 New
              +1
              I'm already scared for Japan. bully
              1. novel66
                novel66 23 March 2020 11: 04 New
                +6
                I do not mind them!
                1. bayard
                  bayard 23 March 2020 11: 30 New
                  +1
                  Fire !
                  Таран - дело героическое . Это не маяк авианосцем , это покруче "Фауста" будет .
          2. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 23 March 2020 17: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: bayard
            Gored Aircraft Carrier?
            Vitaly, are you so merciless ?! bully This is not humane ... what
            1. bayard
              bayard 24 March 2020 00: 04 New
              +1
              Himself shocked by such brutal initiatives ... repeat
              Но камрад предлагает более радикальные меры - забодать саму Японию и не мелочиться ! И это не лишено практического смысла - отрядить для этого старенькую дизелюху с хорошими батареями , поместить на борт БЧ от "Посейдона" , обложить её(БЧ) ураном 238(из отвалов) и бидонами с Литием-3 ... назвать всё это "Гипер-Посейдон" и отправить в автоматическом режиме бодать Япону Мать . fellow To ram !!! as bequeathed to Roman 66. bully angry yes
              Gad to dust!
              "Зачем нам эта Япония , если она не любит Россию ?" soldier
              And you regretted the aircraft carrier ... request
              Roman of all Japan is not sorry - he is a generous man! drinks
              1. Nemchinov Vl
                Nemchinov Vl 24 March 2020 00: 29 New
                -1
                Quote: bayard
                And you regretted the aircraft carrier ...
                Oh yes. Of course I repent incessantly. repeat , я же не знал, что ниже там предложат, подводников как в тир, и в роли - "агнцев" ... what sad
                1. bayard
                  bayard 24 March 2020 01: 20 New
                  +1
                  So we agreed on an aircraft carrier. wink drinks
                  After all, why is a novel rushing to ram?
                  Gastello’s feat does not give him peace. But the goal is worthwhile.
                  As we find - release the Kraken. yes
                  A divers must be protected.
          3. akribos
            akribos 24 March 2020 13: 38 New
            0
            Yes))) This has already happened.
        2. Grits
          Grits 24 March 2020 17: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: novel xnumx
          You can take a ram!

          Then our ships will run out even faster.
      3. Alexy
        Alexy 23 March 2020 11: 42 New
        +1
        A bullet in Japan is not necessary.
        The more SSBNs will be - the more difficult it will be to track them, the more forces and means of the same Japan will be involved in this. Therefore, they still have to scratch their turnips
        1. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 23 March 2020 17: 44 New
          0
          Quote: Alexy
          The more SSBNs will be, the more difficult it will be to track them,
          without MCAPL at the Pacific Fleet ?! ...
          Quote: Alexy
          more forces and means of the same Japan will be involved in this.
          is it like a target in TIR, to get a job ?! Would you become ?!
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 March 2020 20: 23 New
      0
      In the Japanese fleet of shock weapons, only Harpoon anti-ship missiles and locally-produced anti-ship missiles are all their strike weapons.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 23 March 2020 06: 46 New
    +3
    The most important thing is to provide the SSBN with a quiet and safe exit from Yelizovo into the ocean.
    A bottleneck near which their submarines constantly graze.
    Today, in fact, there is nothing, or rather, it is very difficult to ensure the free exit of our boats.
    Mina man, of course, is ambiguous, but it makes you think.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 23 March 2020 07: 00 New
      -1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Mina man, of course, is ambiguous, but it makes you think.

      I forgot to insert the link ...
      https://mina030.livejournal.com/20459.html
      Well, to shoot intercontinental missiles from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk across Japan, it's just too close.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 24 March 2020 08: 27 New
        -1
        Quote: Victor_B
        Well, to shoot intercontinental missiles from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk across Japan, it's just too close.

        Here, some who offer such a blow, in response to objections, justify themselves by saying that you can drive a boat from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk somewhere into the Arctic or the Indian Ocean, and from there crash into samurai. lol
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 March 2020 20: 25 New
      0
      They have the NK package in service - they will beat off the torpedoes and within two minutes in case of an attack all the missiles will be launched.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 23 March 2020 07: 10 New
    +1
    The series would be expanded in the future to 10 submarines. ..
    1. Grits
      Grits 23 March 2020 09: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      The series would be expanded in the future to 10 submarines. ..

      It is thought that in the future the Boreas will be built as carriers of cruise missiles. After all, Anteyev’s term is running out.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 24 March 2020 00: 33 New
        0
        Quote: Gritsa
        After all, Anteyev’s term is running out.

        With modernization, the terms are doubled. yes
    2. bayard
      bayard 23 March 2020 10: 55 New
      +2
      The decision has already been made - by 8 already ordered, 2 more are ordered.
      И ещё от 2 до 4 "Бореев-К" в варианте носителей КР("Калибр" , "Калибр-М" , "Циркон") - до 112 КР , по 7 шт. в 16-и пусковых стаканах .
  4. Dante Alighieri
    Dante Alighieri 23 March 2020 07: 17 New
    12
    Как по мне, весьма спорное решение. Сами подумайте - развертываем РПКСН там где у них практически нет вообще никакого прикрытия, а все входы-выходы под неустанным контролем вероятных "партнеров". И если на Севере у наших подлодок есть хоть какие-то шансы выйти подо льдами на оперативный простор, оставшись незамеченными для средств активного и пассивного наблюдения, то на ТОФе с его рекламируемым по Звезде "Осиным гнездом" такой возможности нет в принципе. Кроме того, случись американцам высадить на Камчатке десант, отбить её будет малореально, ибо для этого у нас нет ни флота, ни наземных коммуникаций, ни аэродромной сети (например для ВДВ) нужных масштабов. Снабжения по суше Камчатке также получить не получится, подкреплений по суше – тоже. По факту это изолированный регион, который в случае войны просто невозможно защитить. И там мы планируем разместить львиную долю нашего подводного ядерного арсенала... Ну-ну.
    1. CommanderDIVA
      CommanderDIVA 23 March 2020 08: 28 New
      +3
      "Кроме того, случись американцам высадить на Камчатке десант"- во время Крымской войны в 19 веке уже пытались интервенты это сделать, потерпели фиаско, хорошо описано у Борщаговского в книге "Русский флаг", камчадалы-ополченцы и местный гарнизон наваляли англичанам и французам, японцы пытались в русско-японскую войну тож получили, вы думаете у американцев будет иная история с захватом Камчатки?
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 23 March 2020 10: 27 New
        +2
        failed

        Fiasco? Interventionists? Are you confusing anything? Actually, the interventionists won this war, Russia then abandoned all its expansionist plans, and then diplomacy saved it from losing territories.
        1. CommanderDIVA
          CommanderDIVA 23 March 2020 15: 49 New
          0
          My comment is about Kamchatka and the events there, and not about the Crimean War and its results
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 23 March 2020 21: 23 New
            0
            I already understood from Nikolay’s explanation.
            It seems to me that there are not many chances for such a development of events, because their capabilities in that region have grown significantly.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 March 2020 13: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: CommanderDIVA
        during the Crimean War in the 19th century, the interventionists already tried to do this, failed

        Tactically - yes, the failure of the interventionists, the first landing was repelled.
        Strategically, the Anglo-French won, for in the spring of 1855 Russia was forced to leave Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. The squadron left, the population was evacuated (with the exception of Cossacks and locals), the houses were dismantled, the materials were partially hidden, partially burned. And the Anglo-French squadron that arrived for the second landing did not find either the enemy or the city.
    2. Grits
      Grits 23 March 2020 09: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Dante
      In fact, this is an isolated region, which in case of war is simply impossible to protect.

      Unfortunately, nature and geography left us no choice. for example, Magadan is good for everyone for a quick exit to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. But hefty freezes quickly and hard. And in terms of logistics, it is also not very far from Kamchatka. About logistics and infrastructure in the Kuril Islands generally keep quiet. All convenient basing places in Primorye (Vladivostok, Fokino, Pavlovsk, Olga) and Sov. The harbor is tightly blocked by straits under the control of Japan.
    3. Alexy
      Alexy 23 March 2020 11: 45 New
      -1
      You are probably, at least, the deputy commander in chief of the Navy
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 March 2020 14: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexy
        You are probably, at least, the deputy commander in chief of the Navy

        In order to understand the danger of basing in Vilyuchinsk, one does not need to hold a high post. It is enough to look at the naval forces of the Pacific Fleet in open sources. One combat-ready multi-purpose submarine. Zero modern TSH. And IPC times dear Michal Sergeich.
        Одной МЦАПЛ прикрыть пять РПКСН - это задача, достойная самизнаетекого. Особенно если учесть, что МЦАПЛ нужны ещё и для прикрытия "батонов".
    4. sanek45744
      sanek45744 23 March 2020 12: 14 New
      -1
      In the north, ice still needs to be reached. There, unfortunately, everything is not rosy. I know not by hearsay.
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 March 2020 20: 34 New
      -1
      You do not forget that in Kamchatka there is a regiment of MiG 31 interceptors, another with Daggers is formed in the Khabarovsk Territory, similarly there are Bastions along with Tu 22M3, as well as several C 300 and C 400 divisions and other air defense systems - you can see the enemy’s landing without large already will not be able to land losses. Boreev has anti-torpedo protection. The NK package also includes sonar response complexes.
      1. Grits
        Grits 24 March 2020 05: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        besides this there are Bastions,

        Несколько машин "Бастиона" на одном Курильском острове погоды не сделают. По хорошему, "Бастионы" и "Балы" надо размещать по всей цепочке Курил от Шикотана до Камчатки с перекрытием зон поражения. Тогда НК уже не сунутся.
  5. ZAV69
    ZAV69 23 March 2020 07: 44 New
    +2
    Something tells me that this is just some kind of stuffing. Until the Boreas will be ready for a lot of time. The situation can change several times to the exact opposite, and then they will certainly decide where to base them. In the meantime, you can also draw a shadow on the shadow so that the probable enemy would not be bored
  6. jonht
    jonht 23 March 2020 08: 04 New
    +5
    5 out of 8 boats is good, but who will lead them out of the bay? We do not have a single new surface ship in Kamchatka: MPK, Corvette, Frigate. About ships of the first rank in general, you can not stutter. From the diesel-electric submarine there was one connection left, and something else on the go from the old IPC. The only good news is that they are modernizing and sending anti-submarine Ilys to us, they often fly now, and there are still TU-142. Even last year, the corvette, pr. 20380, was supposed to come, but as it got stuck in the city of Vladik, it was probably there until then.
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  7. Amateur
    Amateur 23 March 2020 08: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: Dante
    In addition, if the Americans happened to land in Kamchatka ... And there we plan to place the lion's share of our underwater nuclear arsenal ..

    Это из раздела "смеяться" или "лечиться"? fool
  8. mik193
    mik193 23 March 2020 09: 01 New
    -1
    Well, let's throw it over. But is basing, inter-passage repair, docking provided? Where will the ships undergo average repairs? To go to Severodvinsk again? These issues must be addressed now.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 March 2020 09: 39 New
      0
      Quote: mik193
      Where will the ships undergo average repairs? To go to Severodvinsk again?

      Why not go? Is he produced every month? After all, we drive airplanes to repair factories through half the country.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 March 2020 14: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: Piramidon
        Why not go? Is he produced every month? After all, we drive airplanes to repair factories through half the country.

        Yeah ... four and a half thousand miles from the base at the shipyard. And the same amount - back. Moreover, along the Northern Sea Route.
    2. Grits
      Grits 24 March 2020 05: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: mik193
      Where will the ships undergo average repairs? To go to Severodvinsk again?

      But what, Big Stone is no longer quoted?
  9. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 23 March 2020 09: 39 New
    +2
    With the transfer of an additional five nuclear missile carriers to the Russian Navy Pacific Fleet, its submarine nuclear potential will be significantly increased and may turn out to be almost equal to the corresponding potential of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy.

    Everything about the case.
    There was such a joke (if I didn’t mix anything up):
    SF - The Navy itself.
    TF - Also the Fleet.
    CF - Like a Fleet.
    Black Sea Fleet - Chi Fleet, Chi Not a Fleet ...
    Sincerely glad that the situation is improving
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 March 2020 14: 19 New
      0
      Forgot about BF - Former Fleet. smile
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 23 March 2020 15: 18 New
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Forgot about BF - Former Fleet. smile

        Yes, call me ... hi
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 March 2020 18: 09 New
      -1
      SF - Modern Fleet
  10. Old partisan
    Old partisan 23 March 2020 09: 49 New
    0
    Good headline. Well I thought it was laid in the pawnshop to the Gref
  11. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 23 March 2020 10: 34 New
    0
    And it will not be necessary to break into the Atlantic past the Norwegians. They muddy the base there for anti-submarine aircraft. From Russia with love. And the flight time to the adversary will be greatly reduced ... am
    1. mik193
      mik193 23 March 2020 11: 03 New
      0
      But immediately at the exit from the base will meet the multipurpose submarine of the US Navy ...
    2. rudolff
      rudolff 23 March 2020 12: 37 New
      +4
      In the Atlantic, the PKK CH do not break through. There the path is closed for a long time. God forbid to run to the edge of the ice.
  12. Peter Tverdokhlebov
    Peter Tverdokhlebov 23 March 2020 11: 08 New
    +2
    In the event of an attack on Russia, will our submarines be able to launch all SLBMs from the pier?
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 23 March 2020 14: 31 New
      +7
      TTX SLBMs allow. Actually, that’s why the databases rush in the places of basing. But ... is extremely unlikely. In the event of an attack on Russia, the first blow will be inflicted on the bases of the PKK SN. Only those ships that have a BS in the sea have combat stability.
      1. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 23 March 2020 15: 47 New
        +1
        Indeed, from the pier the submarine simply does not have time to shoot.

        Но надеюсь, что перевод "Бореев" в Вилючинск будет осуществляться не на следующей неделе и не одновременно.
        Firstly, it is necessary to restore the home base. Even if the old piers allow the mooring of new types of submarines, but it is necessary to update the infrastructure. This is the supply and removal of water, energy (although the nuclear submarines are usually fine with it), the cargo delivery system, cranes, etc., which have not been used for years.
        Во-вторых, необходимо усиление сопровождения "Бореев" до районов боевого дежурства. На каждый "Борей" нужна как минимум одна ударная или многоцелевая АПЛ. А в ВМФ России лишь один "Ясень" и одна обновленная "Щука-Б". По бедности можно на сопровождение и старенькие Щуки отправить. Но это в реальном подводном конфликте вряд ли будет эффективных решением. Тем более, что на каждый "Борей" сейчас у американцев есть по 11 штук многоцелевых АПЛ. К тому же у Японии есть 12 штук "Сорю", которые, как показала недавняя практика, вполне способны подкарауливать наши корабли у входа в Авачинскую губу.
        Остается надеяться на то, что перевод "Бореев" в Вилючинск будет одновременно сопровождаться передачей во Флот новых "Ясеней" с их базированием также в Вилючинске.
        1. pl675
          pl675 23 March 2020 17: 14 New
          +1
          5 марта 2020 года в японском Кобе на судостроительном предприятии Kobe Shipyard & Machinery Works корпорации Mitsubishi Heavy Industries состоялась торжественная церемония ввода в строй Военно-морских сил самообороны Японии построенной там неатомной подводной лодки SS 511 Oryu (11-й в серии типа Soryu), которая стала первой в мире боевой дизель-электрической подводной лодкой, оснащенной литий-ионными аккумуляторными батареями.

          https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3955894.html
        2. tinkle
          tinkle 23 March 2020 20: 14 New
          -1
          they (boreev) still need to be built. Rakhmanov said that the task of Sevmash in 2020. give the fleet 4 submarines. Kazan with the Prince. Maybe Vladimir, but on the account of two more - from the realm of fantasy. Topof replenishment will be very protracted.
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  15. Tests
    Tests 23 March 2020 22: 17 New
    0
    Товарищи подводники, а, может быть, "Борея" на зиму в Белом море оставлять? Опыт по прогулке "Акулы" по маршруту Северодвинск-Кандалакшский залив-Соловки-Пертоминск-Чапома-Кандалакшский залив и так несколько десятков раз подо льдами моря Белого был. Или системы ПРО партнёров в Европе при старте "Булаву" легко приводнят?
  16. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 26 March 2020 20: 36 New
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    Quote: Tests
    Товарищи подводники, а, может быть, "Борея" на зиму в Белом море оставлять? Опыт по прогулке "Акулы" по маршруту Северодвинск-Кандалакшский залив-Соловки-Пертоминск-Чапома-Кандалакшский залив и так несколько десятков раз подо льдами моря Белого был. Или системы ПРО партнёров в Европе при старте "Булаву" легко приводнят?

    The Americans learned to find our boats everywhere: in the ocean and under the ice ...