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20 percent of medical doctors infected: coronavirus threatens to destroy Italian health care

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Every fifth Italian healthcare provider is infected with COVID-19. And given that 70 percent of doctors are women, we can say that the weaker sex is on the first line of defense of the country from coronavirus infection.


This was reported on the United Nations Twitter page.

CNN claims that 17 doctors have died in Italy, providing care for infected patients. More than 3,5 thousand Italian doctors are infected.

The Italian health care system was not ready for such a wave of pandemic, and therefore could not cope with it. We can say that if the rate of spread of the infection does not slow down, then Italian medicine will practically cease to exist.

Now the health workers of this southern European country do not have time to provide assistance to those infected with COVID-19, although they work almost without breaks and days off. They even connected doctors from countries whose diplomas Italy does not recognize. Students of medical universities and former doctors who have retired are thrown into the fight against the pandemic.

The hospitals lack not only medical staff, but also mechanical ventilation apparatus and personal protective equipment.

In this regard, Italian doctors turned to colleagues from all over the world with a request to help them in this difficult situation by any possible means.

Recall that earlier several groups of military virologists were sent from Russia to Italy.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 22 March 2020 16: 35 New
    +4
    The Italians got along well with the coronavirus ... purely organizationally ... made so many mistakes ... mom don't cry ... hence the high percentage of deaths from coronavirus.
    The crematoriums of Bergamo can no longer cope with the influx of the dead. what
    1. Liam
      Liam 22 March 2020 16: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      made so many mistakes ... mom don't cry ...

      And what mistakes did the Italians make
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 22 March 2020 16: 37 New
        +3
        Watch Solovyov’s program ... it was clearly stated there ... what the Italians didn’t have to do ... quite reasonably.
        1. Liam
          Liam 22 March 2020 16: 39 New
          25
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Watch the program Solovyov ..

          And why am I not even surprised ... For what other questions should I contact Solovyov?
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 22 March 2020 16: 44 New
            20
            And why am I not even surprised ..

            Oh oh, what nerdy we are ... well, first of all, how did it happen that many elderly Italians were infected simultaneously in one place ... and how it was possible not to take into account human psychology by announcing quarantine measures in advance ...... naturally thousands of Italians rushed through spreading infection to its corners in Italy ... it’s so obvious ... here even Solovyov doesn’t have to be contacted with at least some rudiments of the mind.
            1. Liam
              Liam 22 March 2020 16: 47 New
              -26
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              naturally thousands of Italians rushed in their corners, spreading the infection in Italy ...

              Do not share the numbers of infection in other corners of Italy?
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 22 March 2020 16: 57 New
                +3
                I would be like Onishchenko ... the head doctor ... would share. smile
                1. smile
                  smile 22 March 2020 22: 43 New
                  +9
                  Same lech
                  If you were like Onishchenko, you would have to be put on combat duty. :))))
                  When using Onishchenko, products in the selected area of ​​damage instantly deteriorated, the background radiation increased, there was a chemical and biological infection of the environment, goods, food, water, trees and everything else that the eye would fall on ....... :)) ) Yeah, in general, except that the zombies did not appear ..... :))))))
                  By the way, a very competent man, plus a cold-blooded, like a boa constrictor, and was ready to take responsibility in various trade wars, provoking a fire of criticism from the outside, from the inside - on behalf of the state.
                  Serious guy in general.
                  So it goes. :)))))
              2. Magus
                Magus 22 March 2020 17: 12 New
                18
                According to Bloomberg, Italy now has more than 41 infections and 000 deaths.
                Lombardy was Italy's most affected coronavirus.
                Tests for coronavirus in Lombardy were performed only for people with symptoms of the disease. As a result, carriers of the virus that did not have disease symptoms could contribute to the widespread spread of the virus.
                At the same time, the Veneto authorities conducted several stages of verification, which led to the identification of a greater number of infected people. People with positive test results in Veneto were immediately sent to strict isolation, regardless of whether they had symptoms or not. Shops and schools were closed in cities. All sporting events and church services were either rescheduled or canceled.
                The experience of Veneto has shown that mass testing for coronavirus and isolation of patients can slow the pandemic. The World Health Organization also calls for the use of these measures.
                1. venik
                  venik 22 March 2020 17: 39 New
                  10
                  Quote: Magus
                  Bloomberg, now in Italy recorded more than 41 cases of infection and 000 dead

                  =======
                  Alas! The information is already out of date. As of yesterday, there are already 53 578 infected and 4 825 dead! Only yesterday, 793 people died.
                  The main center of the epidemic in Northern Italy - Lombardy ((Bergamo region) - today - 3 deaths! (095% of the total)
            2. Liam
              Liam 22 March 2020 16: 50 New
              -2
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              how did it happen that many elderly Italians were infected simultaneously in one place

              It so happened that in that particular zone there is a very high life expectancy and a lot of hospices for sick elderly people. A virus has penetrated into some of them
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 22 March 2020 16: 59 New
                +4
                a lot of hospices for sick elderly people

                But what prevented the Italian authorities from blocking people's access to this place in advance? ... only one Italian sloppiness. hi
              2. 16329
                16329 22 March 2020 17: 43 New
                +6
                In Germany, yesterday in Würzburg, 9 deaths in a center for the elderly (news channel report)
            3. nickname7
              nickname7 23 March 2020 09: 55 New
              -1
              Because doctors are not on the line of defense, but rather, doctors are the main distributors of infection.
            4. Wolverine
              Wolverine 23 March 2020 10: 31 New
              0
              Quote: The same Lech
              And why am I not even surprised ..

              Oh oh, what nerdy we are ... well, first of all, how did it happen that many elderly Italians were infected simultaneously in one place ... and how it was possible not to take into account human psychology by announcing quarantine measures in advance ...... naturally thousands of Italians rushed through spreading infection to its corners in Italy ... it’s so obvious ... here even Solovyov doesn’t have to be contacted with at least some rudiments of the mind.


              I agree the Italians intentionally infected, while the virus subspecies are no longer the same as in Juan, plus they chose the place in Italy where the largest number of elderly live.
          2. Honest Citizen
            Honest Citizen 22 March 2020 16: 44 New
            -7
            Quote: Liam
            What other questions should I contact Soloviev?

            You can still go to Gundyaev.
            He approved the prayer "For victory over coronavirus"
            Amen.
            PySy. Vatican City Note
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 22 March 2020 16: 48 New
              +4
              You can even go to the Pope. smile
              But you must think first of all with your own head.
            2. Liam
              Liam 22 March 2020 16: 48 New
              -22
              The Vatican is definitely not involved in such garbage)
              1. Andobor
                Andobor 22 March 2020 18: 10 New
                +4
                Quote: Liam
                The Vatican is definitely not involved in such garbage)

                Yes, the Tolerasts broke the Europeans together - here are their demons and
            3. 72jora72
              72jora72 22 March 2020 17: 39 New
              10
              Amen.
              PySy. Vatican City Note
              Well, actually, the Pope has already forgiven sins for all patients with coronavirus.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 22 March 2020 18: 41 New
                0
                Well, if the Pope himself, then the virus will definitely let them go - to God.
            4. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 22 March 2020 18: 35 New
              11
              I wonder at you. In such an article, demonstrate your meager humor.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 22 March 2020 19: 37 New
                -3
                The main thing is that this virus of our priests would let go of God, judging by the fact that they carry recently.
              2. Honest Citizen
                Honest Citizen 22 March 2020 21: 28 New
                -4
                Quote: Okolotochny
                In such an article, demonstrate your meager humor

                Actually, this news was posted on the Moscow Patriarchate Website, so the claim is not for me.
            5. Deniska999
              Deniska999 22 March 2020 19: 09 New
              +2
              The Vatican has already forgiven all sick and treating people. Checkmate and Gundyaev.
            6. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 22 March 2020 22: 28 New
              -2
              Quote: Honest Citizen
              Quote: Liam
              What other questions should I contact Soloviev?

              You can still go to Gundyaev.
              He approved the prayer "For victory over coronavirus"
              Amen.
              PySy. Vatican City Note

              not everybody hangs in front of the aval, like you !! wink laughing
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          3. primaala
            primaala 22 March 2020 17: 06 New
            -21
            Quote: Liam
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Watch the program Solovyov ..

            And why am I not even surprised ... For what other questions should I contact Solovyov?

            Soloviev, unlike you, thinks HELLO. Drop your ambition, at least think about your loved ones. YOU (for now) opegists are fighting with smart Russians, the world is in danger. The threat came from YOUR hosts. YOU are for a cent, easy to sell. And as most people understand, the cent DOES NOT decide everything.
            Health is NOT to buy !!!
            1. Dangerous
              Dangerous 22 March 2020 20: 15 New
              +6
              Well, I do not trust the words of Solovyov. Is that mean I have owners ?? Or am I selling for a cent to someone? Chet you got it wrong
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 22 March 2020 23: 21 New
              +6
              Solovyov, unlike you, thinks HELLO

              He only leads himself in a swine and hysteria pours into the ears of millions.
            3. nickname7
              nickname7 23 March 2020 10: 08 New
              +2
              Soloviev, unlike you, thinks HELLO.

              His tongue is suspended, you can’t argue, especially for such a cosmic s / n.
              Solovyov has a villa in Spain, where an epidemic is, apparently it worries him - "how is my villa there, I really have to live in the Russian Federation"
            4. Varyag71
              Varyag71 23 March 2020 11: 18 New
              -1
              Cretinism of the brain
          4. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 22 March 2020 17: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Liam
            And why am I not even surprised ... For what other questions should I contact Solovyov?

            Solovyov, this is a show, but he speaks pleasantly and often business. But it's not about him. Tell the people your vision of the problem, or how it is done in your country. It's just that we are now in one "submarine" all together. And isn't it time not to ask questions, but to speak constructively. Yesterday I found an article by Professor Potekhin, a virologist from St. Petersburg, which was very useful in my opinion, check it out. % 3A% 2F% 2Fzen.yandex.com & utm_campaign = dbr
            1. Liam
              Liam 22 March 2020 17: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              https:

              In general, it’s true. Do not panic, do not deceive the population, explain the real state of affairs, protect the elderly. And a hard quarantine for several weeks until the peak passes
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 22 March 2020 18: 42 New
                0
                Quote: Liam
                Do not panic, do not deceive the population, explain the real state of affairs

                Everything is correct, and the elderly themselves must take care of themselves.
              2. poquello
                poquello 22 March 2020 19: 30 New
                +4
                Quote: Liam
                Quote: tihonmarine
                https:

                In general, it’s true. Do not panic, do not deceive the population, explain the real state of affairs, protect the elderly. And a hard quarantine for several weeks until the peak passes

                yes, Solovyov will probably be surprised, because no one knew until "Liam"
              3. nickname7
                nickname7 23 March 2020 10: 02 New
                0
                This virus, as it turned out, is dangerous for young men, especially dangerous for smokers. The virus destroys the alveoli in the lungs.
            2. dzvero
              dzvero 22 March 2020 18: 48 New
              0
              The article is very competent and balanced. Almost one-on-one with my vision of the virus and the situation in general. It is necessary to recommend the forum users.
          5. Overlock
            Overlock 22 March 2020 18: 08 New
            +7
            Quote: Liam
            What other questions should I contact Soloviev?

            over all! Universal singer, order bearer. Party horn, so to speak
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        2. Harry.km
          Harry.km 22 March 2020 16: 47 New
          18
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Watch Solovyov’s program

          In a decent society, gentlemen do not offer this ...
          In general, yes, the Italians did not give a damn about quarantine. And in a rough form.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 22 March 2020 16: 50 New
            +2
            In decent society, gentlemen adhere to one rule ... their own skin is more expensive than the skin of a neighbor.
            The Italians paid for it ... thinking primarily about themselves.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 22 March 2020 17: 25 New
              10
              In general, as if your opponent is right. Soloviev is already pretty tired of his pathos expert opinion on all issues.
              1. Andrey Koptelov
                Andrey Koptelov 22 March 2020 20: 27 New
                -1
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                In general, as if your opponent is right. Soloviev is already pretty tired of his pathos expert opinion on all issues.

                Nightingale litter)))
            2. Lelek
              Lelek 22 March 2020 18: 56 New
              +6
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              The Italians paid for it ... thinking primarily about themselves.

              hi
              And as always, they turned for help to the nasty Russia, against which they imposed sanctions, and she, by the simplicity of her soul and philanthropy, sent three sides with equipment, medicines and virologists to help. Oh, that Russian soul ....
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 23 March 2020 00: 18 New
                +2
                Quote: Lelek
                And as always, they turned to nasty Russia for help

                As far as I know, to everyone who hears. Cuba, Venezuela, China heard. Russia as well.
            3. poquello
              poquello 22 March 2020 19: 34 New
              +3
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              The Italians paid for it ... thinking primarily about themselves.

              it’s worth remembering that Italy is like the EU, maybe vice versa - it was hoped that a foreign country would help them, and here’s what
          2. Liam
            Liam 22 March 2020 16: 53 New
            +2
            Italy was the first country in the EU to interrupt flights with China as early as January 30. It was also the first to impose quarantine in Europe. 80% of the deceased are old people in hospices. People don’t go to bars there. If you saw such places
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 22 March 2020 18: 14 New
              11
              Quote: Liam
              Italy was the first country in the EU to interrupt flights with China

              and now the first in the world in incidence, China has long surpassed.
              According to the data on the morning of March 21, the number of cases of coronavirus in the world increased to 275. This is evidenced by online monitoring by the Research Center for System Sciences and Engineering (CSSE) of Johns Hopkins University (USA).
              In Europe:
              1. Italy recorded a record number of deaths per day - 627 (the previous day - 427). Thus, in Italy since the beginning of the epidemic, 47 people were infected, 021 died, 4032 recovered.
              2. Spain is still in second place in Europe (21 infected, 571 people died, 1093 people recovered),
              3. the third - Germany (19 848 infected, 68 people died, 180 recovered).
              1. Linxs
                Linxs 22 March 2020 18: 21 New
                +6
                and now the first in the world in incidence

                China has already caught on the fact that it does not account for all infected.

                Do you really believe that in China with a 1.2 billion population there are only 3000 deaths with a quarantine of 70 million people?

                Then it’s worth believing that India has 1.4 billion people who live in huts and have only 300 infected people (near China) ... Do you believe that? :)
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 22 March 2020 18: 43 New
                  +1
                  The Indians have a strong enough body because they eat the spicy food in the world.
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 22 March 2020 18: 48 New
                    10
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    The Indians have a strong enough body because they eat the spicy food in the world.

                    Ganges! Despite the fact that they bury in it, and recover from it and drink from it, there are no such epidemics. Wonderful
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 22 March 2020 19: 41 New
                      0
                      The Chinese have a different story. Eateries on the pavement with bugs, lizards, bats, and generally everything that can move with a minimum of spices.
                2. Olezhek
                  Olezhek 22 March 2020 20: 47 New
                  0
                  Do you really believe that in China with a 1.2 billion population there are only 3000 deaths with a quarantine of 70 million people?

                  Then it’s worth believing that India has 1.4 billion people who live in huts and have only 300 infected people (near China) ... Do you believe that? :)


                  I believe!

                  smile
              2. Liam
                Liam 22 March 2020 18: 25 New
                -4
                And so what? You are the Spanish, German, American, etc. figures when was the last time you watched and what rhythm is growing? Italy is just the first in time
              3. Jager
                Jager 22 March 2020 22: 58 New
                +2
                It would be interesting to see the statistics of people with influenza / SARS, as well as mortality from these diseases, as well as hepatitis and other accidents. For comparison.
            2. nickname7
              nickname7 23 March 2020 10: 10 New
              0
              Because you had to sit at home not to roam the boutiques and beaches.
          3. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 22 March 2020 17: 33 New
            +5
            Quote: Harry.km
            In a decent society, gentlemen do not offer this ...

            Well, excuse me, we’re village boys, we didn’t study at the Solomon Shklyar ballroom dancing schools, and Solovyov is happy with us. Well, offer us an unreasonable other.
          4. poquello
            poquello 22 March 2020 19: 31 New
            +4
            Quote: Harry.km
            In a decent society, gentlemen do not offer this ...

            Yes? and google offer - the difference is big?
        3. Tusv
          Tusv 22 March 2020 16: 51 New
          14
          Quote: The same Lech
          Watch Solovyov’s program

          Solovyov at the end was oozed. Count it up, a Crimean woman came to his studio, and he did not give her a word to say. Burned with a verb Kovtun and Kovtunenko. To which Mrs. Polonskaya immediately noticed: "I understand why they are invited"
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 22 March 2020 17: 02 New
            0
            Solovyov at the end was hoarse.

            Yah smile ... you saw her the rudeness of Ukrainian politicians ... Soloviev compared with them the Angel of God.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 22 March 2020 17: 09 New
              0
              Quote: The same Lech
              you saw her rudeness of Ukrainian politicians

              Alexei. I was injected with ampicillin for 3 weeks at 4 per day in the Kiev district hospital. Guard Efreiter in a double officer chamber. And the Kiev nurses sentenced - you need it. Where are they. Lech?
            2. Tusv
              Tusv 22 March 2020 17: 29 New
              0
              Quote: The same Lech
              you saw her rudeness of Ukrainian politicians

              It threatens us in something?
            3. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 22 March 2020 17: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              Oh well ... you saw her rudeness of Ukrainian politicians ... Soloviev compared with them the Angel of God.

              I completely agree. I did not hear rudeness from Solovyov, but from the so-called "Ukrainian experts" not only rudeness, but a mixture of fecal water with pig manure.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 22 March 2020 18: 16 New
                +7
                Quote: tihonmarine
                but from the so-called "Ukrainian experts" not only rudeness, but a mixture of fecal water with pig manure.

                why are they invited? Maybe for this?
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 22 March 2020 19: 07 New
                  -5
                  why are they invited? Maybe for this?

                  Know! Give me that. Its e vandeful, vandeul barking. Lets off. Ai um like sou for mith u gentlemen NAToshki hi
        4. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 22 March 2020 16: 56 New
          +9
          We will then transfer you about something that did not need to be done, and what we had to do in Russia, we'll see. There, too, everything will be argued. Hindsight is all strong, and waving fists after the fight - all Mikey Tyson.
          1. poquello
            poquello 22 March 2020 19: 42 New
            +6
            Quote: UAZ 452
            what didn’t have to be done, and what had to be done in Russia, we’ll see.

            garbage, we have 40 thousand devices for ventilation and everyone dies from the flu and other non-coronoviruses, but it was the case of the flu walking - so everyone had ARVI
        5. smart ass
          smart ass 22 March 2020 17: 22 New
          -2
          If a person watches Solovyov’s, this is a sentence
          1. 16329
            16329 22 March 2020 17: 46 New
            -2
            That is, you sentenced about 80% of Russia's population over 60
          2. Amateur
            Amateur 22 March 2020 18: 14 New
            -1
            If a person watches Solovyov’s, this is a sentence

            You're not right! This is a diagnosis.
            1. smart ass
              smart ass 22 March 2020 18: 23 New
              -2
              Absolutely true diagnosis
          3. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 22 March 2020 19: 23 New
            -2
            Quote: Clever man
            If a person watches Solovyov’s, this is a sentence

            I'm generally surprised that someone in their right mind admits that he is watching Solovyov wassat
            1. Alexy
              Alexy 22 March 2020 19: 54 New
              +2
              Of course, it’s more interesting to read you all here)))
            2. bondrostov
              bondrostov 23 March 2020 09: 31 New
              +1
              I’d rather watch Latin than this ..... although I can’t stand this redhead, she says something more robust.
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 23 March 2020 16: 47 New
                -2
                Quote: bondrostov
                I'd rather watch Latin than this

                what trouble with you !! wassat but your information hobbies are clear lol
                PS ... with such an avatar, yes to Latin ... !!! laughing
          4. poquello
            poquello 22 March 2020 19: 45 New
            +4
            Quote: Clever man
            If a person watches Solovyov’s, this is a sentence

            justify it will be? and then this statement is more like a statement
          5. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 22 March 2020 22: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Clever man
            If a person watches Solovyov’s, this is a sentence

            advise whom to watch ??? what Platoshkin ?? !!! lol
        6. Overlock
          Overlock 22 March 2020 18: 07 New
          13
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Watch Soloviev’s program ...

          Is it a new virologist or infectious disease specialist? He has a summer house in the area of ​​defeat, poor fellow
          1. poquello
            poquello 22 March 2020 19: 48 New
            -3
            Quote: Overlock
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Watch Soloviev’s program ...

            Is it a new virologist or infectious disease specialist? He has a summer house in the area of ​​defeat, poor fellow

            ett Evening Urgant, you yourself ..
          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 22 March 2020 22: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: Overlock
            Is it a new virologist or infectious disease specialist?

            if here among the pseudo-communists of the flow of virologists, thenoooooo ....... !!!! wink laughing
        7. Amateur
          Amateur 22 March 2020 18: 11 New
          -1
          Is Soloviev also an expert in epidemic control and a virologist? I was sure that he was a specialist only in mad cow disease, turning brains or into stone. or in a liquid brown instance with a characteristic odor. fool
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        9. poquello
          poquello 22 March 2020 19: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Old Fuck
          And his soul is in Italy.

          when collecting such a crowd at the screen - maybe two maybachs, but it is harmful to envy
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 23 March 2020 01: 12 New
            0
            Yes, do not pay attention.
            This is a juvenile cub. I thought they all died. It turns out not all.
            1. Honest Citizen
              Honest Citizen 23 March 2020 21: 00 New
              -2
              Quote: Mestny
              This is a juvenile cub. I thought they all died. It turns out not all.

              Serezha, answer me such a simple question. Here is Navalny, his FBK, investigations ...
              And then BACH, news from Zaputin’s comrades, that his son, Mishustina, got into NEXT investigation of financial fraud ... And now investigate the UK ... will they find it? will prove?
              Did the prosecutor’s office at least once check in to refute or confirm the FBK investigations?
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 22 March 2020 16: 42 New
      +8
      Quote: Liam

      And what mistakes did the Italians make

      To begin with, they said that they do not care for quarantine. When they announced to them that the north of Italy was closing, tens of thousands rushed to the South, and smashed all over the country and into Sicily ... And when the police closed everyone home, they found a loophole. When the police did the shift change, they ran to visit, having parties ... It was fun ... a week. Now it’s not time for fun, but the fire has already flared up and will not go out soon ...
      1. Liam
        Liam 22 March 2020 16: 55 New
        -5
        Where do you get such paintings from? How many are infected in the south of Italy and in Sicily?
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 22 March 2020 16: 58 New
          +9
          Quote: Liam
          Where do you get such paintings from? How many are infected in the south of Italy and in Sicily?

          And my friend lives on the border with Italy. In Switzerland. And in his company the majority of workers are Italians. So the news from the fields is very fresh ...
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 22 March 2020 18: 19 New
          +7
          Quote: Liam
          Where do you get such paintings from? How many are infected in the south of Italy and in Sicily?
          no one!
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 22 March 2020 17: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        we ran to visit, having parties ... It was fun ... a week.

        Everything is like in an old song
        Not long music played
        Not long fraer danced
        How grandmother is - Ufa walk
        How not - Chishmy and stole


        Would have fun yet, but time is up.
        1. However, dear
          However, dear 22 March 2020 23: 08 New
          -7
          And here it’s still very good. smile

          1. Amateur
            Amateur 23 March 2020 10: 06 New
            0

            There, in the upper left corner of the label DW (Deutsche Val).
            Why don't the Germans first shoot a video about their Komsomol member, who is in power almost as much. Or weak?
            1. However, dear
              However, dear 23 March 2020 23: 13 New
              -1
              Quote: Amateur
              Why don't the Germans first shoot a video about their Komsomol member, who is in power almost as much. Or weak?


              No, Angela is not attracted to the "queen". smile The caliber is not the same. There are not so many "kings" in the world: Eun, Ping, Castro, Maduro, Luca, VVP, several in Africa.
      3. Kisa
        Kisa 22 March 2020 20: 05 New
        -1
        you remember how you sparked here at VO with jokes and wit about two weeks ago. how they laugh that the crowd Klitschko closed the metro and public transport among Ukrainians ... but the last few days something tells me that this is serious crap
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 23 March 2020 01: 13 New
          -2
          For you, ancient ukrov - no doubt.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 22 March 2020 17: 51 New
      +7
      Quote: Liam
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      made so many mistakes ... mom don't cry ...

      And what mistakes did the Italians make

      The same as in the United States and in general in countries where the healthcare system is focused on private medicine and set to self-sufficiency. They are trying to introduce the same hat in Russia.
      1. Liam
        Liam 22 March 2020 18: 14 New
        +4
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Quote: Liam
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        made so many mistakes ... mom don't cry ...

        And what mistakes did the Italians make

        The same as in the United States and in general in countries where the healthcare system is focused on private medicine and set to self-sufficiency. They are trying to introduce the same hat in Russia.

        You need to know the subject. Medicine in Italy is state-owned and free.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 22 March 2020 18: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Liam
          You need to know the subject. Medicine in Italy is state-owned and free.
          Admittedly not strong yes But it seems somehow that the state there, unlike China, has somewhat stepped aside from the issues of ensuring quarantine and sanitary-epidemiological measures without having any clear plan of action and understanding the resource support of these measures.
          1. Liam
            Liam 22 March 2020 18: 31 New
            -7
            ))) In China, the issue was decided by general locking everyone in the houses with the release of 1 family member every 3 days to the store for groceries, army patrols in the streets, drones and batons on the neck who risked leaving the house. Fortunately, another state in Italy)
            1. gsev
              gsev 22 March 2020 20: 05 New
              +9
              Quote: Liam
              with clubs on the neck who risked leaving home. Fortunately, another state in Italy)

              I think that relatives of deceased Italians believe that unfortunately.
            2. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 22 March 2020 20: 24 New
              +5
              Quote: Liam
              ))) In China, the issue was decided by general locking everyone in the houses with the release of 1 family member every 3 days to the store for groceries, army patrols in the streets, drones and batons on the neck who risked leaving the house.In Italy, fortunately, another state)
              China could not afford such a luxury as Italy, to let the coronavirus go for a walk in all the provinces, since the scale of the catastrophe with a population of more than a billion people would not be comparable with those of Italy with a population of 60 million people. As a percentage of the dead to the total population, China, compared to Italy, suffered (not good sounds, but it does) a negligible loss, and therefore strict quarantine measures are quite justified.
            3. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 23 March 2020 00: 28 New
              +3
              Quote: Liam
              army patrols in the streets, drones and batons on the neck who risked leaving home. Fortunately, another state in Italy)

              Fortunately? On them it is not noticeable ...
      2. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert 22 March 2020 18: 28 New
        10
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        They are trying to introduce the same hat in Russia.

        That's right!
        But they say - not a hat for Senka!
        We don’t need other people's hats.
        Including crowns ...
        And there is Israeli experience in combating this virus - all citizens were locked in advance in their homes ...
        A good joke on the topic:
        The rabbi was asked what is best to give the sick coronavirus.
        “Matsu, of course!”
        “But does it help?”
        “No, but it’s very convenient to push it under the door!”
        1. Amateur
          Amateur 23 March 2020 10: 11 New
          +2
          Another joke about:
          In Israel, recorded the first death from a coronovirus. After 4 days of joint quarantine, Sarah Lvovna beat her poor husband with a frying pan to death.
    4. Overlock
      Overlock 22 March 2020 18: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: Liam
      And what mistakes did the Italians make

      probably did not pay enough attention to medicine
      1. Liam
        Liam 22 March 2020 18: 13 New
        0
        Compared to whom? 150 billion euros a year go to medicine. And the highest life expectancy in the world with the Japanese
    5. orionvitt
      orionvitt 22 March 2020 23: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Liam
      And what mistakes did the Italians make

      All that is possible.
    6. alexmach
      alexmach 22 March 2020 23: 16 New
      +1
      And what mistakes did the Italians make

      Quarantine measures were not introduced on time, but who took the time to introduce them "on time".
      1. Liam
        Liam 23 March 2020 00: 17 New
        -3
        Quote: alexmach
        And what mistakes did the Italians make

        Quarantine measures were not introduced on time, but who took the time to introduce them "on time".

        These are general words nothing. In order to assert something, you must at least know the dynamics of the epidemic by dates and what measures and when were taken. Quarantines do not stop the epidemic, they only slow down. Look at the figures of Spain, France, Germany, USA, etc. The picture is the same, only with different dates of the "start" of the epidemic.
        About the Russian numbers, modestly keep silent better
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 23 March 2020 09: 20 New
          +1
          These are general words for nothing.

          Your words are also about nothing. "in Italy all is well, beautiful marquis, all is well, all is well." Nothing is good with you, you slept through the epidemic, and caught up with the number of infected China, this is with a difference in the number of population. In Estonia, quarantine measures were introduced in the presence of one and a half to two dozen identified cases. In fact, as soon as the virus was discovered in someone who did not travel abroad. The virus was found on the skeleton and quarantine was introduced throughout the country. Schools were immediately closed, everyone who could be recommended to work from home, in public transport, drivers were additionally fenced off from passengers. A day later, the borders were closed, cafes, gyms and everything, everything, everything except perhaps the grocery stores of pharmacies and kindergartens were closed by the weekend (they still work). And the need for "self-isolation" was reported even before the first patient appeared, and then all mass events were canceled. Yes, we also had experience, including Italy, we had time to comprehend and prepare. We also have a very low population density and a cold climate, which slows the spread of the epidemic. And yet ours acted an order of magnitude faster.
    7. tomket
      tomket 23 March 2020 01: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: Liam
      And what mistakes did the Italians make

      In Italy, everything is fine! No mistakes !!! True, mortality goes off the scale and humanitarian aid is being brought from China and doctors from Russia are flying, and indeed, it’s just right to turn to Kim Jong In for help, but some people will tell us about Russian propaganda to the end.
      1. Liam
        Liam 23 March 2020 01: 18 New
        -2
        Quote: tomket
        humanitarian aid brought from China

        What a horror.

        EU sends 12 tons of protective clothing to China
        01.02.2020

        The first batch of EU assistance has already been sent to China, the European Commission said in response to a request from the Chinese leadership.
        Against the backdrop of the spread of the 2019-nCoV coronavirus in China, the European Union sent a batch of protective clothing to this country. The total weight of the cargo is 12 tons, it is already on its way to China, the European Commission said on Saturday evening, February 1.

        After the Chinese leadership turned to the EU for help to fight against coronavirus, the EU Emergency Coordination Center contacted the governments of the organization’s member countries that prepared the first batch of aid, indicated below.

        Keqiang asked the European Commission for help in the fight against coronavirus

        Earlier in the day, President of the State Council of the People's Republic of China Li Keqiang, during a telephone conversation with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, asked for "urgent assistance."
        1. tomket
          tomket 23 March 2020 01: 27 New
          +5
          Quote: Liam
          What a horror.

          EU sends 12 tons of protective clothing to China
          01.02.2020

          It is certainly strong, post news a month ago))))))
          What is happening in the EU now?)
          The Czech Republic stole a batch of Chinese masks and respirators from Italy.
          All you need to know about Euro solidarity))))))))
      2. Liam
        Liam 23 March 2020 01: 28 New
        -2
        Quote: tomket
        just right for Kim Jong In to ask for help

        You are funny people.

        The spread of the new coronavirus
        DPRK sends aid to China to fight coronavirus
        12: 55, 1 February 2020

        Read on Ria.ru

        MOSCOW, Feb 1 - RIA News. DPRK leader Kim Jong-un conveyed message to Chinese President Xi Jinping in connection with the outbreak of coronavirus, Pyongyang sent financial assistance to China to fight pneumonia, Korea Central Telegraph Agency reports.
        ).
        1. tomket
          tomket 23 March 2020 01: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Liam
          Funny you people

          However, China is coping with the epidemic, unlike Italy. Although it would seem. But this is another lesson, to watch not beautiful talk about high living standards, democracies, and European solidarity. Exam Italy did not pass.
  2. Freemason Mason
    Freemason Mason 22 March 2020 16: 38 New
    21
    This is not so much a matter of the mistakes made by Italians as of the fact that Italy has one of the highest life expectancies in the world, respectively, a huge number of people over 60, plus a high population density and millions of tourists, including from China
    1. Liam
      Liam 22 March 2020 16: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Freemason
      This is not so much a matter of the mistakes made by Italians as of the fact that Italy has one of the highest life expectancies in the world, respectively, a huge number of people over 60, plus a high population density and millions of tourists, including from China

      The average age of hospitalized with the virus in China is 45 years. In Italy, 65. The average age of deaths in Italy is 80 years. The difference is enormous. The deaths in Italy at the age of less than 65 are a fraction of a percent. And all with a bunch of other diseases
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 22 March 2020 16: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: Freemason
      It’s not so much the mistakes that the Italians made, but the fact that Italy has one of the highest life expectancies in the world,

      They made a mistake in the fact that they did not immediately take any preventive measures, and when they did, the population struck a bolt on them and out of habit went to rest and plump the vinyl into the usual places.
      Because of this, they had a peak of infections in a short time and the health system was instantly overloaded, so the mortality rate was high among the elderly - there simply was no way to help them.
      Since the situation was critical, the rules of military medicine were used - first, helping those who are easiest to help and return them to duty, and heavy ones with an unclear outcome in the second place, but hopeless ones in a dark corner so that their eyes do not callous.
      1. tomket
        tomket 23 March 2020 01: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Since the situation was critical, the rules of military medicine were used - first, helping those who are easiest to help and return them to duty, and heavy ones with an unclear outcome in the second place, but hopeless ones in a dark corner so that their eyes do not callous.

        What are some of your fanatical ideas about military medicine. Probably in tyrnets have read, heard enough about military medicine since the Crimean War. That’s it here ....
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 23 March 2020 08: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: tomket
          What are some of your fanatical ideas about military medicine.

          Normal views. I just wrote about sorting.
          It is clear that if there is no complete blockage, then no one will do it.
    3. poquello
      poquello 22 March 2020 21: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Freemason
      This is not so much a matter of the mistakes made by Italians as of the fact that Italy has one of the highest life expectancies in the world, respectively, a huge number of people over 60, plus a high population density and millions of tourists, including from China

      yes no, they cannot save everyone, so they leave the elderly to die
  3. smart ass
    smart ass 22 March 2020 17: 21 New
    -7
    I think that in the Russian Federation things are not better, just we will never know.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 22 March 2020 17: 29 New
      +2
      Actually, it's better for now. But we are going the same way as the countries of advanced capitalism. And that means the effect will one day be similar.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 22 March 2020 18: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: Clever man
      I think that in the Russian Federation things are not better, just we will never know.

      The city of Kemerovo reacted to the coronavirus positively - put it on it. All pharmacies have no masks. Today I went to a pharmacy on Leningradsky Ave. On the door there is an inscription - “no masks”. A young pharmacist is in the window. He asked for ear plugs. While choosing: silicone or polyurethane, spread a couple of phrases:
      - Wow, with this coronavirus all the masks sold out.
      “Yes, and not in stock.”
      - And I decided to take ear plugs. Do you know why?
      - Why not?
      - In order not to hear how the neighbors will rejoice at the meeting of the coronavirus ...

      There is no panic. Products are in stores. In some stores, sellers are pleased that restless retirees dare to stale stale goods from the shelves. There are no queues at the pharmacy. I don’t know what the help is there, rectified spirit helped us with the hepatitis epidemic. A friend (a battalion medic) was saved in Afghanistan from viral and intestinal diseases. He said that in two years he had never been ill with anything.
      As for talking in Italy. The main thing in this matter is quarantine. To be afraid of a pandemic while conducting fashion shows (in Milan) is, in principle, incorrect - imprudent and careless. In Russia, we have the most intense region, where many people from the country, the source of infection, are the Far East.
      1. Liam
        Liam 22 March 2020 18: 10 New
        -4
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The main thing in this matter is quarantine. To be afraid of a pandemic while carrying out fashion shows (in Milan) is, in principle, wrong - imprudent and careless

        And how many quarantine fashion shows were there in Milan?

        It’s like adults and you repeat such fables without even checking the accuracy
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 22 March 2020 18: 14 New
          +8
          Quote: Liam
          And how many quarantine fashion shows were there in Milan?

          https://style.rbc.ru/items/5e5649bb9a794710609a0944
          Contrary to Coronavirus: how Milan Fashion Week went
          Like adults, but did not learn how to use a search engine. fool
          1. Liam
            Liam 22 March 2020 18: 35 New
            -4
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Like adults, but did not learn how to use a search engine

            That's it, then the search engine would tell them that the fashion shows were on February 23 and the quarantine was introduced by the government on March 11
          2. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 22 March 2020 18: 41 New
            10
            Ross, you can add football matches. They began to cancel when the virus popped up in the teams.
      2. Kamikadze19
        Kamikadze19 22 March 2020 18: 48 New
        +2
        I want to note that 99.99% of masks are not in any pharmacy in the Russian Federation. But clogging is everywhere. Yesterday I went to Magnit hypermarket, not a single employee and cashiers had masks. At least 1 hat will infect the cashier throughout the city.
        1. RideMaster
          RideMaster 23 March 2020 04: 10 New
          +5
          Masks are already infected and not vice versa. Tired of Ipsoshniks and Leberds with these masks.
      3. smart ass
        smart ass 23 March 2020 05: 46 New
        -1
        This is not a panic yet, let's see what happens when they begin to close shopping centers, shops, logistics centers, then we’ll see
    3. Andobor
      Andobor 22 March 2020 18: 15 New
      +8
      Quote: Clever man
      I think that in the Russian Federation things are not better, just we will never know.

      A hundred times better. Therefore, virologists fly from Russia to Italy, and not vice versa.
    4. poquello
      poquello 22 March 2020 21: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Clever man
      I think that in the Russian Federation things are not better, just we will never know.

      "to think" is clearly not yours, there is no outbreak of mortality, not a fact that there will be no, but not now
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 23 March 2020 00: 32 New
        +5
        Quote: poquello
        Quote: Clever man
        I think that in the Russian Federation things are not better, just we will never know.

        "to think" is clearly not yours, there is no outbreak of mortality, not a fact that there will be no, but not now

        rzhachno he combines "bad" and "we will not know anything" !!! good laughing
      2. smart ass
        smart ass 23 March 2020 10: 34 New
        -1
        Have you learned from Solovyov that there is no outbreak of mortality ?!
        1. poquello
          poquello 23 March 2020 18: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Clever man
          Have you learned from Solovyov that there is no outbreak of mortality ?!

          I watch Solovyov at night, as a program of "Good night, kids", but I will not say that at least once I heard from him there anything contrary to real logic, pm
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: Clever man
          If a person watches Solovyov’s, this is a sentence

          justify it will be? and then this statement is more like a statement

          and where?
    5. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 23 March 2020 00: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: Clever man
      I think

      don’t think ... it’s not your face .... what you wrote only confirms it !! wink laughing
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 23 March 2020 12: 11 New
        -4
        You usually don’t think when you write, I feel sorry for you. Are you late for Solovyov?
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 23 March 2020 16: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Clever man
          You usually don’t think when you write, I feel sorry for you.

          what nuuuuuuu ... if you wrote your comment after deep thought, then I am sorry for you !!! laughing wassat Tell me, whom do you say that then you say such things ?? !!! lol
  4. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 23 March 2020 00: 55 New
    +2
    I believe that Italian doctors are heroes, they defended themselves, despite the fact that the powerful destroyed the medicine, let them say that they can’t do anything, but they still got into an unequal struggle and they won
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 16: 37 New
    14
    In this regard, Italian doctors turned to colleagues from all over the world with a request to help them in this difficult situation by any possible means.

    This is "SOS!" According to all human laws, one must respond. I sincerely do not understand people who say: "Why do we need this?"
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 22 March 2020 16: 42 New
      +9
      By all human laws, there was no need to spit in the Russian well.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 16: 51 New
        +6
        Quote: Pereira
        By all human laws, there was no need to spit in the Russian well.

        So let the Bergamans die now? What are you saying?
        1. Sandro1977
          Sandro1977 22 March 2020 17: 09 New
          -1
          And will they now remove the sanctions from us?
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 17: 22 New
            +2
            Quote: Sandro1977
            And will they now remove the sanctions from us?

            This is not for me.
            But I have repeatedly said today that we need it no less than the Italians. Regardless of the sanctions. They won’t take off - it will remain on their conscience.
            1. Sandro1977
              Sandro1977 22 March 2020 17: 25 New
              +3
              But did they impose sanctions so that the Russians ultimately live worse and die, then arrange a change of power / revolution and die again?
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 18: 18 New
                +3
                You have an amazing mess in your head! My late grandmother taught me that someone else's stupidity cannot be an excuse for their meanness. It's like hearing "SOS!" from, say, an American ship, sail by, like - they imposed sanctions against us! Or, in the event of a fire, not to save the German-Frenchman for the same reason.
                Come to your senses!
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 22 March 2020 19: 31 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Vasyan1971
                  You have an amazing mess in your head! My late grandmother taught me ...

                  And my late grandfather said, "we are all masters to speak" ...
                  Your "Tolstoyism" begins to just annoy. You can escape the foam, but I, for example, will never give a hand to a scoundrel who was pleased to scoff at people. And your examples in a fire are completely out of place. Let's go outside and ask people: will they save Chubais AB from the fire; will alms be given to D.A. Medvedev; Will Nabiullina E.S. help with sms?
                  You are rightly told that the authorities of countries that deliberately put the lives of Russians in worse conditions are not entitled to expect gratitude and sympathy from them. If you have this “from the deceased grandmother,” then this does not mean at all that her advice is in demand for the rest.
                  There is a saying: "Friends are in trouble." Unfortunately, life has developed so that with such "friends and partners" Russia and enemies are not necessary.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 22 March 2020 19: 44 New
                    -9
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    А my late grandfather spoke,

                    ... y, how is everything running ...

                    Quote: Vasyan1971
                    My late grandmother taught me that other people's stupidity cannot be an excuse for her meanness

                    Here under this - I subscribe. Although it was not my grandmother ..

                    "Ross", follow the grammar, but sometimes it turns out request
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 23 March 2020 12: 36 New
                      0
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Here under this - I subscribe. Although it was not my grandmother ..

                      I would not call sanctions stupid. And the question of help is also extremely controversial. But in principle, help should be at least based on one’s own interests.
                  2. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 23: 07 New
                    0
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    And my late grandfather said

                    I have a damned T9, what do you have?
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    Your "Tolstoyism" begins to just annoy.

                    Pass by. request
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    You can escape the foam

                    It hurts to prove something to you .... request
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    And your examples in a fire are completely out of place.

                    To the place, it’s just not available to you ... request
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    Let's go outside and ask people: will they save Chubais AB from the fire; will alms be given to D.A. Medvedev; Will Nabiullina E.S. help with sms?

                    Do not distort. Your examples are out of place. It's about sick dying Italians and your protest to help them. And not about Chubais and the company. I myself will not give alms to any of them. But I will stretch out my hand to get out of the wormwood. Why? You can not understand.
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    If you have this “from the deceased grandmother,” then this does not mean at all that her advice is in demand for the rest.

                    I do not impose on you. Hold on ... request And clinging to such obvious typos is evidence of a weak position.
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    There is a saying: "Friends are in trouble."

                    And there is: "What measure you measure, this will be measured to you."
                    In May of the 45th, it was necessary for all Germans, but along with all the accompanying ones, should be cut out? There were more sins on them then than on the current Bergamians and Lombards. For some reason, they didn’t cut it out, to your deep sadness, apparently.
                    God is your judge. And when you are measured by the same measure, do not whine: "Why do I need all this ?!"
                    1. Ross xnumx
                      Ross xnumx 23 March 2020 03: 22 New
                      0
                      Quote: Vasyan1971
                      And there is: "What measure you measure, this will be measured to you."
                      In May of the 45th, it was necessary for all Germans, but along with all the accompanying ones, should be cut out? There were more sins on them then than on the current Bergamians and Lombards. For some reason, they didn’t cut it out, to your deep sadness, apparently.
                      God is your judge. And when you are measured by the same measure, do not whine: "Why do I need all this ?!"

                      Sometimes you pair your mind with Sobakevich. I repeat once again, do not impose your "Tolstoyism" on others, show your own example. Whatever Chubais you pulled out of the wormwood there, you only pull out what hangs in the hole.
                      You were not a lawyer at Chikatilo? Here you go - pay back for the foremost. They gave us the theory of substituting cheeks ... You’ll also mention that the great “nullification” is the voice of God voiced by Tereshkova through the mouth ... Live the life of people, and there you will understand without retribution and retribution.
                      1. Vasyan1971
                        Vasyan1971 23 March 2020 08: 16 New
                        0
                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        Once again I repeat, do not impose your "fatigue" on others,

                        I repeat again:
                        Quote: Vasyan1971
                        Pass by.

                        Quote: Vasyan1971
                        It hurts to prove something to you ....

                        Quote: Vasyan1971
                        I do not impose on you. Hold on ...

                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        Set your own example.

                        I’ve been doing this all my life.
                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        pull only what dangles in the hole.

                        Fi, Lieutenant!
                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        You were not a lawyer at Chikatilo?

                        Distort again. It's not about a killer maniac.
                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        You will also mention that the great “zeroing” is the voice of God voiced by Tereshkova through the mouth

                        I am amazed at what kind of porridge you have in your head. Everything is mixed up ... Don’t be nervous, your speech becomes incoherent, and your thoughts are confused.
                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        up there, without you, they’ll sort out retribution and retribution.

                        Exactly. So wait for the retribution, and then do not complain.
            2. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 22 March 2020 18: 42 New
              +5
              Quote: Vasyan1971
              Quote: Sandro1977
              And will they now remove the sanctions from us?

              This is not for me.
              But I have repeatedly said today that we need it no less than the Italians. Regardless of the sanctions. They won’t take off - it will remain on their conscience.

              Well, yes ... And their grandfathers, too poor and innocent, reached Stalingrad and fertilized the land with their carcasses. And these present with their own sanctions have nothing to do with it.
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 18: 51 New
                -3
                Quote: Barkhan
                And these current ones with their own sanctions have nothing to do with it.

                Take revenge. Drop a bomb on them. If you don’t have the courage to do this, just pass by in case of trouble. Amuse darling.
                I have already said here that other people's stupidity cannot be an excuse for their meanness.
                Quote: Barkhan
                And their grandfathers, too poor and innocent, reached Stalingrad and fertilized the land with their carcasses.

                On occasion, do not give a German-Frenchman-Englishman (German-Frenchwoman-Englishwoman, old man, child) a helping hand. You will undoubtedly be rewarded.
                1. Honest Citizen
                  Honest Citizen 22 March 2020 21: 07 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Vasyan1971
                  I have already said here that other people's stupidity cannot be an excuse for their meanness.

                  Basil. All that you said sounds beautiful and noble. And yet, yes, we will rush to save the same Englishman from the fire both the German and the Frenchman. The mentality is not going anywhere.
                  Only now I want to convey to you such a simple idea. For some reason, the "grateful" Germans, French, British - and in this case, Italians, somehow do not really want to help cure or carry out an operation, the same child from the Russian Federation. Doesn't their conscience allow them? Or are they waiting until we reach the required amount by sms?
                  You are saying here that "everyone will be rewarded according to his deeds." You know, I will also answer you with an aphorism:
                  "If a religion appears in the world, in which the Supreme God will punish the one who has deviated from his commandments right on the spot, it will conquer the world" (c)
                  1. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 23 March 2020 00: 07 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Honest Citizen
                    For some reason, the "grateful" Germans, French, British - and in this case, Italians, somehow do not really want to help cure or carry out an operation, the same child from the Russian Federation.

                    Bad example. The Internet is full of requests for help for sick children. Some, of course, are swindlers, but some are not. For some reason, domestic doctors are also not eager to "help" for free. Didn't qualify for shunting or valve replacement, no money? Do not blame!
                    Quote: Honest Citizen
                    "If a religion appears in the world, in which the Supreme God punishes the one who has deviated from his commandments right on the spot, it will conquer the world."

                    Wrong again. Keyword "if it appears". While the world was conquered by completely different religions. And an aphorism, that's what an aphorism is for.
        2. Andobor
          Andobor 22 March 2020 18: 17 New
          -4
          Quote: Vasyan1971
          So let the Bergamans die now?

          We will save the Bergamians, - Putin will introduce and everything will pass.
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 18: 23 New
            -1
            Quote: Andobor
            We will save the Bergamians, - Putin will introduce and everything will pass.

            You can see the troll by habit.
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 22 March 2020 16: 42 New
      +3
      Vasyan, here you go .. The flag in your hand.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 16: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Vasyan, here you go .. The flag in your hand.

        Wait for it to be measured by the same measure. And don't ask: "Why do I need all this, God ?!"
        1. Romey
          Romey 22 March 2020 17: 08 New
          +8
          Do you know why doctors flew there? From feelings of philanthropy? No. They flew for EXPERIENCE. Very valuable. More than a hundred-odd years ago, our epidemiologists, having gained experience in combating the plague in Bombay, effectively used it in Manchuria.
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 17: 15 New
            +4
            Quote: romey
            Do you know why doctors flew there? From feelings of philanthropy? No. They flew for EXPERIENCE.

            I know.
            Quote: Vasyan1971

            Exercises in a situation as close to combat as possible. Priceless real experience. Plus 100500 in karma both for myself and Russia. Holy thing, after all.

            It does not interfere. It is necessary to use any opportunity.
          2. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 22 March 2020 17: 21 New
            -2
            Romey, you are such a hero because you yourself do not fly there. And I have a neighbor, a virologist. A wonderful, intelligent man, two children. I am sure that the best experience is a living father, son, husband and doctor.
            1. Romey
              Romey 22 March 2020 17: 34 New
              12
              If I were an epidemiologist, who would like to take place in my science and benefit my country, I would certainly be where it is more difficult, and therefore more interesting from the point of view of science. Like Khavkin, as Zabolotny, as Ilya Mamontov finally ...
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 18: 29 New
                +1
                Support.
              2. sabakina
                sabakina 22 March 2020 18: 53 New
                +5
                Quote: romey
                If I were an epidemiologist, who would like to take place in my science and benefit my country, I would certainly be where it is more difficult, and therefore more interesting from the point of view of science. Like Khavkin, as Zabolotny, as Ilya Mamontov finally ...

                I didn't want to get involved in your argument, but I remembered the 1977 Soviet film "Open Book" ... A real scientist will go to the end. Sorry if I expressed my thought in a confused way.
              3. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 22 March 2020 22: 51 New
                -1
                Dear Romey, I support your impulse to benefit your people. But only to his own. Do not be surprised at my cynicism. I will explain why: as history shows, our country will not be helped if grief happens .. But to tear off from your people in order to give to another is stupidity. And then, the United States is therefore rich and prosperous country, because they do nothing, for free and to the detriment of their people. It’s time to forget the stupid motto, “Russia is a generous soul,” and think about the prosperity and well-being of our people. Remember how Professor Preobrazhensky refused to buy a magazine to help the starving children of Germany?? ... You cannot serve two gods.
            2. savage1976
              savage1976 22 March 2020 17: 40 New
              +4
              I don’t know whether it’s right or wrong that our specialists were sent there (to Italy), I don’t make such decisions and I am in the place of the decision makers, but I know, despite my cry for the need to lift sanctions against us, at the first convenient case they will introduce new ones about our help and will not remember.
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 18: 31 New
                -1
                Quote: savage1976
                I don’t know whether it’s right or wrong that our specialists were sent there (to Italy)

                Of course, I don’t know exactly, but for some reason I think that they called volunteers.
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 22 March 2020 19: 51 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Vasyan1971
                  Of course, I don’t know exactly, but for some reason I think that they called volunteers.

                  You, a young man, don’t know a lot of things, but would like to hear from you who provided Soviet Russia with food (free of charge) during the famine in the 30s of the last century? You here assume the participation of volunteers, but you yourself persistently insist on the specific participation of a particular person.
                  Do you recall the participation of foreign doctors in Russia during the typhoid and cholera epidemic in the twenties? Have you heard about the "disinfection" during the Osovts defense? There are still chelas that arouse nobility in callous Russian souls ... Something does not upset them when doctors (foreign) demand exorbitant amounts from parents of sick children for treatment ...
                  Such a strange picture - in the world, it turns out, one-sided Russian nobility has begun to be appreciated ... Oh, if only you knew before. And then there are PACE, EU, NATO allies ... Where they look at Russia as a Mayakovsky policeman looks at a Soviet passport.
                  1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                    Andrei Nikolaevich 22 March 2020 23: 02 New
                    +2
                    ROSS 42, ,, one-sided Russian nobility, ”- perfectly said! Exhaustive! Briefly and accurately! I shake your hand!
                  2. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 23: 50 New
                    -1
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    You young man

                    Thank you! laughing
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    You here assume the participation of volunteers, but you yourself persistently insist on the specific participation of a particular person.

                    This place is more detailed, please! The only specifics was
                    Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
                    Vasyan, here you go .. The flag in your hand.

                    and the way you see is not mine.
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    Something does not upset them when doctors (foreign) demand exorbitant amounts from parents of sick children for treatment ..

                    Ours, you might think, work for free. Then the Internet is full of requests to help sick children. Didn’t get into the bypass quota, no money? Do not blame ...
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    Do you recall the participation of foreign doctors in Russia during the typhoid and cholera epidemic in the twenties?

                    Repeatedly today repeated that another's meanness cannot be an excuse for his own. This is the road to nowhere.
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    unilateral Russian nobility ..

                    In May the 45th what happened? The fact that not all descendants of the Germans did not appreciate is minus them, not us.
                    Yes, what can I say? Your emotions are understandable, but not about them.
            3. Romey
              Romey 22 March 2020 17: 46 New
              +6
              And about my humble person. Of course, I’m no hero at all, but somehow from childhood we were educated to take examples of real heroes as life guidelines. Although I understand you. My education is Soviet, and yours, most likely, despite such a solid nickname, judging by the logic of your text is already modern.
            4. RitaNik
              RitaNik 22 March 2020 17: 52 New
              +3
              Unfortunately, the work of a virologist is associated with infected patients. And not always professionalism and protective measures are a 100 percent guarantee.
            5. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 17: 54 New
              +4
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              I am sure that the best experience is a living father, son, husband and doctor.

              Clear. The philosophy of a convinced deserter. Does your neighbor (if he exists at all) hold the same opinion? In what case does he intend to sit out at home, or how will Italian doctors at work die for the sake of others?
              https://360tv.ru/news/mir/italjanskie-vrachi-zarazilis-koronavirusom/

              https://portale.fnomceo.it/elenco-dei-medici-caduti-nel-corso-dellepidemia-di-covid-19/
            6. Overlock
              Overlock 22 March 2020 18: 26 New
              +5
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              Romey, you are such a hero because you yourself do not fly there. And I have a neighbor, a virologist.

              Virologist does not cure. He either invents or studies a new virus. Infection - as a result of a TB disorder. And specific doctors and nurses who are recently optimized are being treated. They are at the forefront, inconspicuous and without window dressing in a drawer. TO
              As a rule, real heroes are in the shade, and in the box .... You understand
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 18: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: Overlock
                And specific doctors and nurses who are recently optimized are being treated.

                There, along the way, such a situation as near Moscow in the 41st. Everything is at the forefront. No wonder they shout for help?
          3. 16329
            16329 22 March 2020 17: 50 New
            +2
            Note that these are military doctors with special equipment such as disinfection systems at KAMAZ trucks,
            There probably still specialists RHBZ (military chemists)
            Well, and, probably, other specialists
          4. Andobor
            Andobor 22 March 2020 18: 19 New
            -1
            Quote: romey
            They flew for EXPERIENCE

            Yes, terrorists need to be destroyed in Syria, and the coronovirus in Italy, while these infections have not reached the Russians en masse.
          5. Overlock
            Overlock 22 March 2020 18: 23 New
            +4
            Quote: romey
            They flew for EXPERIENCE.

            strange affair! Civilian doctors are engaged in a real fight against the virus, and the military flew. In theory, you need to send civilians. Italy fully brought the hospital from China along with medical staff
            1. Liam
              Liam 22 March 2020 18: 40 New
              -2
              Quote: Overlock
              Italy fully brought the hospital from China along with medical staff

              Does it make link difficult?
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 22 March 2020 18: 46 New
                +5
                https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5e592c0a8a05b742cd4b0661/koronavirus-kitaicy-pomogut-disciplinirovat-naselenie-italii-neobhodimaia-pomosc-postupaet-iz-kitaia-5e749a20da5c1b754cad810c
                1. Liam
                  Liam 22 March 2020 18: 56 New
                  -5
                  And where is it about the hospital with Chinese staff ?. Several doctors arrived with the experience of Wuhan to advise Italian doctors in Italian hospitals. Italy sent several planes with medical equipment to help Chinese people in January / February, and right now they sent back help with medical materials as is customary between countries in such cases
            2. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 22 March 2020 18: 45 New
              +3
              And who then bothers to use the virus headquarters for military purposes? They work for the future, that's right.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 22 March 2020 18: 49 New
                +6
                Quote: Okolotochny
                And who then bothers to use the virus headquarters for military purposes? They work for the future, that's right.

                maybe vice versa? already exploring escaped war virus? hi
            3. sabakina
              sabakina 22 March 2020 18: 57 New
              +3
              Was Pirogov a civilian or military surgeon?
        2. RideMaster
          RideMaster 23 March 2020 04: 16 New
          +2
          What nonsense. Neither America nor Europe will measure anything, and they will still go to war.
  • Aag
    Aag 22 March 2020 16: 37 New
    -20
    Our virology flew to "vote" for the lifting of sanctions or to deactivate the real estate of those in power?
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 23 March 2020 01: 23 New
      -3
      Yours haven’t gone anywhere.
      Russian flew.
      And yours just fly by.
      1. Aag
        Aag 23 March 2020 15: 48 New
        0
        Can you explain?
  • Liam
    Liam 22 March 2020 16: 38 New
    -7
    Quote: Vasyan1971
    In this regard, Italian doctors turned to colleagues from all over the world with a request to help them in this difficult situation by any possible means

    Where can I find this appeal?
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 22 March 2020 16: 59 New
      +7
      Quote: Liam
      Where can I find this appeal?

      https://youtu.be/OlVnnL736Tc

      “The head physician of the Pope John XXIII Hospital in Bergamo, Stefano Fagioli, recorded a video message. According to him, doctors in Lombardy work around the clock and may not be able to cope with the workload. In addition, there are more cases when medical workers themselves become victims of the coronavirus.

      “Our doctors and nurses are doing an exceptional job, and I'm worried that sooner or later they too can give up physically and psychologically, and if they give up, it will be a disaster.”

      Hospitals need nurses and doctors, ventilation devices and personal protective equipment. A decree was issued according to which, due to the emergency epidemiological situation, those doctors whose diploma is not recognized in Italy will be able to treat patients. Specialists only need to confirm that they have the right to work as a doctor in their country.
      The government even turned to medical students and senior citizens who previously worked as doctors for help.

      As journalist Andrei Malgin wrote on his Facebook page, the first field hospital will be opened in Cremona. Another will be erected in Bergamo.

      “This hospital will employ 300 experienced Chinese nurses and doctors who have come from Wuhan. The hospital equipment is also fully sourced from China. ”
      In addition, the Italian doctor urged people not to take to the streets. On social networks, doctors from around the world began to publish appeals to people asking them to stay at home.

      “I stay at work for you. Stay at home for us, ”the doctors ask.
      1. Liam
        Liam 22 March 2020 17: 57 New
        -7
        This is a set of internet tales and half-truths. The doctor describes the severity of the problems in several hospitals where the epidemic is hot. There are no military field hospitals with Chinese personnel, there will not be and cannot be. Italian military field hospitals are being deployed in a couple of places where there are more patients. 300 doctors it is not naturally Chinese, but task force from Italian doctors from other regions with which they will replace the ill doctors in the red zone. A competition and recruitment of several thousand health workers was announced, including from pensioners and fresh graduates of medical institutes who have not yet completed practice / specialization and cannot practice on their own. They create a reserve for other regions if the epidemic spreads to other zones.
        Unrecognized diplomas are a frank fake. No one will ever be recruited, let alone admit to patients.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 22 March 2020 18: 05 New
          +5
          Quote: Liam
          There are no military field hospitals with Chinese personnel

          Of course not, they haven’t opened it yet. You read carefully.
          1. Liam
            Liam 22 March 2020 18: 20 New
            -3
            I can repeat again, there will be military field hospitals with Italian staff. There are no and will not be with Chinese staff. There is a group of 6 doctors from China who came a few days ago through the Chinese Red Cross with the experience of Wuhan who collaborate with a scientific and technical group under the Ministry of Health of Italy where they share Chinese experience. Naturally, they do not deal with any treatment.
            How do you imagine a Chinese doctor talking to an Italian patient or reading a medical card in Italian?)
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 22 March 2020 18: 30 New
              +3
              Quote: Liam
              How do you imagine a Chinese doctor talking to an Italian patient

              I can easily imagine a Chinese doctor communicating with a patient through an interpreter and a medical record in Chinese.
              1. Liam
                Liam 22 March 2020 18: 37 New
                -4
                You have a rich imagination
    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 17: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Liam
      Where can I find this appeal?

      Search and find. Start with this:
      https://weekend.rambler.ru/read/43878659-italyanskie-vrachi-poprosili-kolleg-so-vsego-mira-o-pomoschi/
      https://versia.ru/italiya-poprosila-o-pomoshhi-vrachej-so-vsego-mira
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 22 March 2020 16: 39 New
    +2
    the first line of counteraction is always at risk ... BUT the percentage is too big for doctors and professionals ... statistics on diseases of doctors during epidemics are much less (these are isolated cases and not every 5th)
    1. Liam
      Liam 22 March 2020 16: 43 New
      -6
      Quote: silberwolf88
      the first line of counteraction is always at risk ... BUT the percentage is too big for doctors and professionals ... statistics on diseases of doctors during epidemics are much less (these are isolated cases and not every 5th)

      Wouldn't it be difficult to share disease statistics for Chinese doctors in Wuhan?
      1. silberwolf88
        silberwolf88 22 March 2020 16: 44 New
        +6
        if you take officialdom (trust propaganda or not your business) less than 5% is announced
        1. Liam
          Liam 22 March 2020 17: 02 New
          -8
          These walking numbers are taken from the ceiling. What are the Chinese and the Italians. 20% are doctors? Or the rest of the staff? 20% of what number? Of the total number of medical staff in the country? Of the number of medical staff in those few hospitals in a couple of provinces, where are 80% of all cases?
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 22 March 2020 18: 47 New
        11
        Do you work out as a controller of statistical data on VO? Already the fifth commenter requires. And you print only your unfounded fantasies.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 22 March 2020 18: 52 New
          +5
          In vain, in vain the "skulls" were canceled. It was cleaner yes
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 22 March 2020 16: 41 New
    +7
    I’m sorry ... But we also have doctors .. And too, they risk it ..
    1. Antidote
      Antidote 22 March 2020 17: 12 New
      -1
      Stavropol Chief Infectionist Irina Sannikova hid her trip to Spain and, returning to Russia on March 9, went to work, where she contacted dozens of people. According to preliminary data, for a week the doctor participated in meetings, scientific conferences and gave lectures on the fight against coronavirus, while not observing the mandatory two-week quarantine. On March 17, Sannikova was hospitalized with suspicion of COVID-19 - according to media reports, the first infection test confirmed infection.

      Our doctors have nothing to fear, their boch keeps.
  • bar
    bar 22 March 2020 16: 41 New
    10
    Italian doctors turned to colleagues from around the world with a request to help them in this difficult situation by any possible means.

    And the EU colleagues from the Czech Republic responded and squeezed a batch of medical masks from the humanitarian aid sent to Italy from China.
    It reminds a joke where a bear came to the cry for help from a person who got lost in the forest. Although it’s not funny now ...
    Italians really feel sorry. They helped us in 2010, when our forest was burning, and our valiant Ministry of Emergency Situations with their wonderful Be-200 extinguished fires in Greece at that time.
  • Tusv
    Tusv 22 March 2020 16: 44 New
    -8
    And here are such epic IL-76s from the VKS. You sanction us, and we will cure you. Ingenious. No kidding. This is not defenseless civil bombs to feed you
    1. Liam
      Liam 22 March 2020 16: 56 New
      -14
      And what will help epic IL-76 patients?
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 22 March 2020 16: 58 New
        +6
        And what will help epic IL-76 patients?

        Certainly not the Pope. Doctors
        1. Liam
          Liam 22 March 2020 17: 28 New
          -6
          ))). Imagine that a Chinese doctor came to your city. He speaks Russian roughly like you do in Chinese. I don’t know the protocols and methods of work in a Russian hospital, he has no access to anything. Colleagues don’t understand patients. Medical cards or any document at all, the analysis result and so on are not able to read.
          Explain simply the benefits of such a doctor in a Russian hospital
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 22 March 2020 17: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Liam
            Imagine that a Chinese doctor came to your city.

            My city is where I was born. This is the Golden-headed. Chinese doctor is not listed. Moreover, I do not trust American
            1. Liam
              Liam 22 March 2020 17: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Tusv
              Quote: Liam
              Imagine that a Chinese doctor came to your city.

              My city is where I was born. This is the Golden-headed. Chinese doctor is not listed

              Exactly. The Russian doctor is not quoted in Italy in the same way. For the same reasons. The foreign doctors who are coming now are not for the purpose of treating someone, but in order to observe, watch, learn from the experience and use it in their the country
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 22 March 2020 17: 43 New
                -3
                Quote: Liam
                Likewise, the Russian doctor in Italy is not quoted.

                I was sick with SARS. There you need to inject Vitamin. I hate my ex-wife. But This bastard injected vitamin B without my knowledge, protecting child support. Joke. For I was a troupe
              2. Military77
                Military77 22 March 2020 19: 15 New
                +1
                And in Milan welcomed Italian doctors of Chinese origin? Do not talk nonsense!
                https://www.facebook.com/1673697407/videos/10214041411624030/
              3. svp67
                svp67 22 March 2020 20: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: Liam
                For the same reasons. The foreign doctors who are coming now are not for the purpose of treating someone, but in order to observe, watch, learn from the experience and use it in their country

                I agree, but help is also advisory, supervisory .... specialists have been sent there more than once to participate in international medical rescue operations, interpreters have been seconded to them, so if necessary, a field hospital can be deployed there, with all the necessary equipment and personnel .
  • bubalik
    bubalik 22 March 2020 16: 52 New
    +2
    In the Samara region, doctors temporarily stop admitting patients to hospitalization. This was reported in the regional Ministry of Health.
    The restriction does not apply to patients with oncology and pregnant women with pathologies. Also, emergency medical care will be provided in full, ”the department explained.
    According to the Ministry of Health, this is due to the flu epidemic and SARS. request
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 22 March 2020 18: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: bubalik
      In the Samara region, doctors temporarily stop admitting patients to hospitalization.

      It has long been necessary to do.
      That is, everything "planned" is postponed for an indefinite period.
      Firstly, the risk is too great. Secondly, in the event of an unfavorable situation, there are more places in hospitals.
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 March 2020 20: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        Secondly, in the event of an unfavorable situation, there are more places in hospitals.

        We are already preparing a separate quarantine zone in an emergency, with all the equipment that may be useful, they no longer hope for the capacity of the infectious diseases hospital. "Tourists" from Italy and Spain have gone. One of these infected five. This is the question of control measures at airports.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 22 March 2020 20: 34 New
          -1
          Quote: svp67
          We already have an emergency quarantine zone being prepared

          Sergei, excuse me, but "here" is where? Do you have a relationship?
          1. svp67
            svp67 22 March 2020 21: 00 New
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Sergei, excuse me, but "here" is where?

            Sverdlovsk region. Yekaterinburg.
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Are you related?

            Not directly. The comrade’s wife is a doctor, and now she’s spending nights and nights there, taking premises, equipment and preparing staff.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 22 March 2020 21: 18 New
              0
              Understood thanks hi
        2. Liam
          Liam 22 March 2020 20: 48 New
          -7
          Your situation is also starting to get out of control, and the dust under the carpet with real numbers and stories about the effectiveness against the coronavirus that is different from the rest of the world becomes harder to hide. When there is one laboratory for analyzing tests for this virus in the country, it's hard to talk about any real scale.
          Therefore, these stuffing about "horrors" in other countries are going on.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 22 March 2020 20: 54 New
            +7
            Quote: Liam
            When there is one laboratory in the country for the analysis of tests for this virus, it is difficult to talk about any real scale.

            Are you tired of lying?
            That's honest ...
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 23 March 2020 01: 27 New
              0
              Maybe he is trying for the money.
              Well, it's hard to believe that there can be so few brains in humans.
          2. svp67
            svp67 22 March 2020 21: 02 New
            0
            Quote: Liam
            .When in the country there is one laboratory for the analysis of tests for this virus, it is difficult to talk about any real scale.

            You're not right. The laboratory is no longer alone and samples are sent there for confirmation, after positive tests. We also have such a laboratory in preparation now, since there are personnel
            1. Liam
              Liam 22 March 2020 21: 06 New
              -7
              We assume that Russia is a safe haven in the stormy ocean of the virus)
              By the way. Why wait for confirmation from Novosibirsk if the "new" laboratories and the composition of the tests are working? And the confirmation of the tests is to do the analysis again. How many days does the bottle with the test go from Stavropol to Novosibirsk and back. How many tests per day are processed there and how many are received ...
              1. svp67
                svp67 22 March 2020 21: 14 New
                0
                Quote: Liam
                We assume that Russia is a safe haven in the stormy ocean of the virus)

                Far from quiet, but not "flooded" either. For now, anyway. From a young age, our people are accustomed to washing their hands ... and this is also not unimportant
                1. Liam
                  Liam 22 March 2020 21: 25 New
                  -2
                  The rest of the country, your dirty?)
                  And the cleanest ones in Africa and Oceania probably. There is no virus at all.
                  Or everything is simpler - no tests / no virus
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 22 March 2020 21: 40 New
                    0
                    Quote: Liam
                    The rest of the country, your dirty?)

                    Sometimes it seems so. With friends, her daughter lives in Holland, and so when she visits her parents she says that because of the high cost of hot water, since we do not use it, they save a lot, trying to use it to a minimum.
                2. Liam
                  Liam 22 March 2020 21: 33 New
                  0
                  By the way. About the game with statistics. In Russia, supposedly 0 dead from the virus.
                  The cause of death of a patient with coronavirus in Moscow was a detached blood clot. This was stated by the chief pathologist of the capital Oleg Zairatyants, said in a statement by the operational headquarters to prevent the importation and spread of new coronavirus infection.

                  According to him, in a patient who was hospitalized with signs of pneumonia, the analysis did reveal a coronavirus. However, an autopsy showed that death did not occur due to pneumonia, but because of a detached blood clot.

                  “There were no changes in the lungs at the time of death,” Zairatyants said.

                  In Italy, this case is unambiguously registered in the number of deaths that you read every day. That figure, all deaths "with coronavirus" and not "from coronavirus" are taken into account. Thrombus, Heart attack, oncology - it doesn't matter. If a person had a positive test for the virus at the time of death, he goes to those statistics
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 22 March 2020 21: 36 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Liam
                    About games with statistics. In Russia, supposedly 0 dead from the virus.

                    You know, "chickens are counted in the fall," we will live until June and count ...
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 22 March 2020 21: 53 New
                      -3
                      I doubt it. A blood clot was written, it will be so. Only at the end of the year if there are surges in total mortality compared to the previous ones, it will be possible to understand something
                  2. poquello
                    poquello 22 March 2020 22: 33 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Liam
                    In Italy, this case is unambiguously recorded in the number of deaths that you read every day. That figure, all deaths "with coronavirus" and not "from coronavirus" are taken into account. Thrombus, heart attack, oncology, it doesn't matter.

                    Well, you can’t be so stupid! write to coronovirus, and compare
                  3. bk316
                    bk316 23 March 2020 10: 40 New
                    +1
                    Blood clot, heart attack, oncology, it doesn’t matter

                    You write that you don’t know at all.
                    In your opinion, if a quarantined person slipped and broke his neck, will he fall into the statistics of coronavirus deaths?
                    LIKE YOU NEVER SEE A MEDICAL CONCLUSION ON DEATH. Why then write about what you do not know?
                    In conclusion, there is a direct cause of death, a disease that caused death and concomitant diseases. If a person has thromboembolism from mechanical ventilation, it is in vain or mechanical ventilation has been prescribed incorrectly and nowhere else in the world will he fall into the statistics of mortality from coronavirus, but he will get into the statistics of patients. Learn the materiel. But you don’t need to ...
          3. bk316
            bk316 22 March 2020 21: 14 New
            +5
            When there is one laboratory for the analysis of tests for this virus in the country

            The forum was wrong in your 404 alone. , and in the Russian Federation only in Moscow 9
            1. Liam
              Liam 22 March 2020 21: 35 New
              -3
              Quote: bk316
              and in the Russian Federation only in Moscow 9

              Report this to Stavropol. Otherwise, they do not seem to be in the know

              According to the authorities of the region, the coronavirus was suspected in another 11 people from the environment of a doctor hospitalized on Thursday. Authorities began testing everyone who potentially contacted the doctor. According to them, on Friday, about 1,2 thousand people were checked. Now the region is waiting for confirmation of analyzes from the laboratory Novosibirsk.
              1. Mestny
                Mestny 23 March 2020 01: 29 New
                -2
                I forgot the link.
              2. bk316
                bk316 23 March 2020 10: 28 New
                +1
                Report this to Stavropol. Otherwise, they do not seem to be in the know

                Do you think they don’t know where what tests are done? Do you judge by yourself?
                There’s even done an in-vitro test, you can pass it soon ... Although you’re not scribbling from Russia
  • svp67
    svp67 22 March 2020 16: 53 New
    0
    CNN claims that 17 doctors have died in Italy, providing care for infected patients.
    In particular, due to the fact that doctors simply did not have enough protective equipment, such as gloves. We are urgent, urgent urgent to draw conclusions from this and prevent this, that’s what we need to do now.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 22 March 2020 17: 19 New
      +1
      China will help. Well, in the sense, they have already deployed to the full. We went out for 2 million disposable suits daily. And they will go further. They don’t need it right now, but part of it goes to the reserve at all levels if it breaks out on a new one. Another week (just by the time it flares up in Russia in terms of dynamics) - and China will dump all these millions of products on the foreign market.
      1. Liam
        Liam 22 March 2020 17: 25 New
        -2
        Do you seriously believe that the doctors died because they did not have gloves?
        Doctors died because they are the same people as patients. And among doctors there are also elderly and sick people
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 March 2020 17: 49 New
          +5
          Quote: Liam
          Do you seriously believe that the doctors died because they did not have gloves?

          I believe that they got infected because of this. But for what reason they were dying, this is another matter, but the lack of protective equipment is the root cause
          Quote: Liam
          Doctors died because they are the same people as patients.

          No, not like that. Unlike patients, the doctor understands what he is dealing with and what the consequences may be, and not every person can step over his fear. A doctor who risked for others, but died in this war, for the lives of others - a hero.
          And in general, with this disease people die, more often from their chronic diseases, since they are very aggravated in the process of the disease.
          1. Liam
            Liam 22 March 2020 18: 07 New
            -2
            It’s all right with gloves in Italian hospitals. And the doctors got infected (like in China) because with constant contact with the patients no gloves can be saved. Sooner or later you will get infected. This virus is transmitted even through the eyes. In addition, the doctor still walks the streets, goes to the store. In the end, at his house a family whose members can also grab the virus anywhere and bring home.
            1. svp67
              svp67 22 March 2020 18: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: Liam
              This virus is transmitted even through the eyes.

              Through any mucous membranes, and through wounds ... But in the same eyes, the infection most often gets through infected hands. And at the expense of gloves:
              Doctors in the Lombardy region lack basic protection. Masks that should be thrown away after half a day, they use a week.

              In Italy, 57-year-old Marcello Natalie, who was infected with a coronavirus, died, according to Euronews. Earlier in an interview with reporters, he said that he was forced to treat patients without gloves, because he "did not have enough."

              The doctor worked in a hospital in the city of Codogno (region Lombardy). After receiving a positive test for coronavirus, he was hospitalized in Cremona, and when his condition worsened, he was transferred to Milan. However, the doctor could not be saved - he died on March 18.

              “We were not ready for coronavirus. As doctors of the postantibiotic era, we grew up with the belief that there is a pill for every disease. Perhaps we needed this lesson in humility, ”Natalie said in a conversation with Euronews a few hours before a positive result.

              The doctor showed reporters a mask and a hand wash. However, according to him, the protective gloves simply “ran out”. He also said that in the city of Codonjo, 14 out of 35 doctors were hospitalized or quarantined.


              Paola Pedrini, Regional Secretary for the Italian Federation of General Practitioners, said on March 18 that 600 out of 110 doctors in the province of Bergamo were ill.

              “The situation is not improving. We get a few masks, a few gloves and that's it. We use masks that should be thrown out in half a day, ”she said.

              Unlike the Chinese, Italians still don’t even remember about goggles ...
              Any questions?
              1. Liam
                Liam 22 March 2020 19: 32 New
                -2
                Quote: svp67
                Any questions?

                Only one. Do you speak Italian or English? You can not answer. Do not own either one. Movie in Italian, subtitles in English.
                Naturally, the video doesn’t say a word about the lack of gloves. This is an interview with a basic (family) doctor. An analogue of a local doctor in Russia. They naturally do not work in a hospital, but they write out prescriptions, give directions, sick leave, etc. in the district offices. they don’t have to go to hospitals to fight the coronovirus. And they don’t go in gowns and glasses. To write a prescription for an antibiotic, this is unnecessary)
                A typical Internet fake when such stuffing is born from ignorance of languages.
                Regional Secretary of the Italian Federation general practitioners Paola Pedrini
                These are the basic (district) doctors
                Coronavirus is involved in resuscitation and intensive care in hospitals if you are not in the know.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 22 March 2020 20: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Liam
                  Do you speak Italian or English?

                  English.
                  Quote: Liam
                  This is an interview with a basic (family) doctor. An analog of a local doctor in Russia.

                  As far as I came across their medicine, these FIRST are in contact with the sick and it is from their direction that the ambulance doctors are called. In any case, these doctors have first contacts with the sick.
                  Quote: Liam
                  Coronavirus is involved in resuscitation and intensive care in hospitals if you are not in the know.

                  But they do not get there from the air.
                  Any questions about the lack of protective equipment?
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 22 March 2020 20: 39 New
                    -2
                    Quote: svp67
                    English

                    And where about gloves?
                    Quote: svp67
                    As far as I came across their medicine, these FIRST are in contact with patients and it is from their direction that doctors are called for an ambulance

                    You do not own the topic. The procedure for patients with coronovirus is completely different. Everything is through the phone and no visits. It is forbidden even to go to the hospital on your own. Patients are taken from the ambulance with the staff dressed as you want — masks, overalls, etc.
                    Quote: svp67
                    Any questions about the lack of protective equipment?

                    No, it's a fake
            2. Kronos
              Kronos 22 March 2020 18: 16 New
              0
              Do you defend capitalism for money or at the call of the soul?
            3. Lopatov
              Lopatov 22 March 2020 18: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Liam
              because with constant contact with patients, no gloves will save. Sooner or later you will get infected

              Why, then, for example, are all the doctors working with Ebola patients not infected?
              1. Liam
                Liam 22 March 2020 19: 11 New
                -2
                Quote: Spade
                Quote: Liam
                because with constant contact with patients, no gloves will save. Sooner or later you will get infected

                Why, then, for example, are all the doctors working with Ebola patients not infected?

                Probably for the same reasons why millions of people in hundreds of countries do not get Ebola every year as a flu or coronavirus. Because there are different diseases with different spreading mechanisms. You can't get an ebola from one sneeze like a flu.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 22 March 2020 19: 23 New
                  0
                  Quote: Liam
                  Ebola from one sneeze is not like a flu.

                  And tuberculosis is possible. But to say that all TB doctors are ill or sick is an obvious exaggeration.
                  Or smallpox, not all the "liquidators" of its outbreak in Moscow have been ill.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 22 March 2020 19: 40 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Spade
                    Quote: Liam
                    Ebola from one sneeze is not like a flu.

                    And tuberculosis is possible. But to say that all TB doctors are ill or sick is an obvious exaggeration.
                    Or smallpox, not all the "liquidators" of its outbreak in Moscow have been ill.

                    Lopatov .. if you don’t know, it’s better to keep silent. There are vaccines from tuberculosis and smallpox and all medical staff are vaccinated against these and many other diseases. This is part of their workplace safety
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 22 March 2020 21: 00 New
                      0
                      Quote: Liam
                      There are vaccines for tuberculosis and smallpox

                      Yah....

                      Well then, lie something about "why tuberculosis has not been defeated yet, how smallpox has been defeated."
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 22 March 2020 21: 03 New
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Yah

                        BCG (abbreviation from Bacillus Calmette-Guerin, FR. Bacillus Calmette-Guérin, BCG) is a tuberculosis vaccine prepared from a strain of weakened live bovine tuberculosis bacillus (Mycobacterium bovis)
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 22 March 2020 22: 38 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Liam
                        BCG (abbreviation from Bacillus Calmette-Guerin, FR. Bacillus Calmette-Guérin, BCG) is a tuberculosis vaccine prepared from a strain of weakened live bovine tuberculosis bacillus (Mycobacterium bovis)

                        From the WHO official website:
                        The only existing vaccine against tuberculosis (TB), Bacillus Calmette-Guerin (BCG), created in 1921, has unstable protective effectiveness.

                        So what about all the infected TB doctors?
              2. svp67
                svp67 22 March 2020 20: 27 New
                +1
                Quote: Liam
                Ebola from one sneeze is not like a flu.

                Even as you get sick. Ebola virus is transmitted through any fluid secreted by a sick person, and such sneezes, usually with sputum
                1. Liam
                  Liam 22 March 2020 21: 21 New
                  -1
                  However, there was nothing even close in scale to the flu or the crown.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 22 March 2020 22: 42 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Liam
                    However, there was nothing even close in scale to the flu or the crown.

                    Yes?
                    In the epidemic of 14-15 years, 11.5 thousand dead
      2. bk316
        bk316 22 March 2020 21: 16 New
        +4
        Do you seriously believe that the doctors died because they did not have gloves?
        Doctors died because they are the same people as patients.

        What the hell? Want to say that they didn’t die because they were infected?
      3. poquello
        poquello 22 March 2020 22: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Liam
        Do you seriously believe that the doctors died because they did not have gloves?
        Doctors died because they are the same people as patients. And among doctors there are also elderly and sick people

        and you basically do not listen to the Chinese with the experience of Wuhan? they have already explained everything about Italy
    2. poquello
      poquello 22 March 2020 22: 36 New
      0
      Quote: donavi49
      China will help. Well, in the sense, they have already deployed to the full. We went out for 2 million disposable suits daily. And they will go further. They don’t need it right now, but part of it goes to the reserve at all levels if it breaks out on a new one. Another week (just by the time it flares up in Russia in terms of dynamics) - and China will dump all these millions of products on the foreign market.

      no, in a week it will not flare up
  • rocket757
    rocket757 22 March 2020 16: 54 New
    +7
    languages ​​after the fight will be possible ....
    to chat. In the meantime, let our doctors be fine.
    1. cniza
      cniza 22 March 2020 17: 30 New
      +3
      You will not envy our doctors, but you need to help ...
      Greetings! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 March 2020 17: 59 New
        +3
        Hi soldier
        The boom hopes that they are equipped with everything necessary to prevent infection .... but there is always an element of chance. So good luck to them.
        1. cniza
          cniza 22 March 2020 18: 04 New
          +4
          This is so, luck will not hinder them ...
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 22 March 2020 17: 01 New
    0
    I’m tired of you with your virus - every day I go to work as usual ... everything is fine, usually.
    1. alien
      alien 22 March 2020 20: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      I'm tired of you with your virus - every day I go to work as usual ...

      “- At what point did you realize that the coronavirus is“ not just the flu ”?

      - Shortly before the pandemic, I went to America and spent the whole of February there. I talked about this virus with many doctors, and they were very seriously worried. Then I began to look at the charts for different countries and at some point I realized that this was all a real story, that Russia could not avoid this.

      I raised the alarm, wrote several posts, and now we are doing the service. Coronavirus will not end in local outbreaks, and we are really facing an epidemic. Real. "

      Director of the Cancer Prevention Foundation in St. Petersburg Ilya Fomintsev
      https://www.dw.com/ru/почему-covid-19-не-просто-грипп-и-как-с-ним-бороться-в-рф/a-52864315
  • RitaNik
    RitaNik 22 March 2020 17: 11 New
    +6
    The work of infectious disease doctors, virologists, and microbiologists has always been associated with business trips to the very outbreak. Remember how many specialists worked in the foci of plague, cholera, smallpox, diphtheria and other and other. On the territory of Russia, in the Caucasus, in Central Asia, in Africa, finally. This carries a risk, but it is part of their job. In order to develop an optimal algorithm of action in an epidemic.
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 22 March 2020 17: 40 New
    -7
    these are their problems, why should we worry about them. What help could they have if they imposed sanctions against us? No help until sanctions are lifted
    1. vindigo
      vindigo 22 March 2020 20: 54 New
      -1
      Yes, there is hardly any help there. The military rather went to see how the virus kills people. How to use it and defend against it for military purposes if the virus enters Russia. Everything else is window dressing for cover.
  • Operator
    Operator 22 March 2020 17: 42 New
    -2
    After 2 weeks, they will receive immunity from coronavirus, that's all.
  • xvot
    xvot 22 March 2020 17: 44 New
    0
    And here is an option in a closed area with medical personnel and equipment of healthy people to infect the virus, of course with good health and immunity, if the survival rate is great, thus getting low mortality and the population has already been ill and with immunity to this infection, no one thought, in any case the term of pademia or how it probably has been reduced several times
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 22 March 2020 17: 49 New
    -1
    “In this regard, Italian doctors asked colleagues from all over the world to help them in this difficult situation in any way possible.

    We remind that earlier several groups of military virologists were sent from Russia to Italy. "
    In this regard, attend questions.
    1 How to introduce sanctions, so it is we, please. As the priest has caked, help all the white light ...
    2 Where are your figures on the EU and from overseas?
    3 What is our interest in sending our virologists there?
    This will certainly sound not humane, and not politically correct (I am not a politically correct comrade at all), but for me, the more the enemy dies out, the brighter it will become in the world ... And by the way, more of our fighters will survive. If suddenly something comes around.
    You can start to minus.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 22 March 2020 18: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Benzorez
      What is our interest in sending our virologists there?

      Learning to glue wallpaper better in the mother-in-law's apartment.
      And to strike once again at "Euro-Atlantic unity" is a good thing. Unfortunately, we do not have as many resources and opportunities as China.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 22 March 2020 18: 37 New
        +2
        And what is the blow to Atlantic unity?
        To infect your people with a Lyhoman?! ..
        Do you seriously think that Russia then someone will say Many Human Thanks?! ..
        As life experience shows, no one ever. You’ll also stay guilty.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 22 March 2020 18: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: Benzorez
          And what is the blow to Atlantic unity?

          If Italy asks for help from Russia and China, then the allies are not helping enough.

          Quote: Benzorez
          Do you seriously think that Russia then someone will say Many Human Thanks?! ..

          And where does Russia ???? We are not in NATO.

          "A blow to Euro-Atlantic unity" is not when people say thank you to Russia. And when the United States, Brussels and other allies are treated worse.
          1. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 22 March 2020 18: 55 New
            +1
            If you believe the official sources, the EU and NATO are on the verge of collapse and they relate to each other just out of place.
            They just can’t eat, how badly they treat each other, they hate fiercely!
            However, for some reason this is not at all easier for us. In no aspect of life.
            And most likely this situation will not change in the near foreseeable future.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 22 March 2020 19: 02 New
              0
              Quote: Benzorez
              The EU and NATO are on the verge of collapse and they relate to each other just out of place.

              And where does the EU? We do not need to ruin the EU, on the contrary. We benefit from the EU, as another player. Relations with which the United States is clearly deteriorating.

              Quote: Benzorez
              They just can’t eat, how badly they treat each other, they hate fiercely!

              Well yes. And a vivid example of this is Turkey.
              1. Petrol cutter
                Petrol cutter 22 March 2020 19: 10 New
                +1
                How then? Isn't Italy a member of the EU?
                Or is Italy itself, an EU native to itself?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 22 March 2020 19: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: Benzorez
                  How then? Isn't Italy a member of the EU?

                  Italy yes.
                  But the USA is not.
                  If I wrote about the EU, I would use the term "European unity" instead of "Euro-Atlantic"
                  1. Petrol cutter
                    Petrol cutter 22 March 2020 19: 22 New
                    +1
                    Then I have a cognitive dissonance.
                    Italy is not on its own. It is part of a certain union of states (than not the USSR). They have a single parliament, etc. Now- trouble has come, open the gate!
                    The entire EU, in a single impulse to fight the virus, was obliged to rush and help comrades. How was it in '86 at Chernobyl?
                    In your opinion, friendship is friendship, and we smoke smoked tobacco.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 22 March 2020 19: 26 New
                      0
                      Quote: Benzorez
                      The whole EU, in a single impulse to fight the virus, was obliged to rush and help comrades.

                      Must. But they scored.
                      However, Italy will pretend that nothing happened. Because in the end, the main contribution to the elimination of consequences, including economic ones, will be precisely the contribution of Brussels. Although, whatever one may say, "sediment will remain"

                      But with an "ally" called the United States, a completely different calico. Although we are of course losing to China here
                      1. Petrol cutter
                        Petrol cutter 22 March 2020 19: 46 New
                        0
                        This is exactly what I was leading to.
                        And it will be a shame if our people (and not the worst ones) become infected and we lose them. And as life shows, it can’t do without losses.
                        I personally am ready to exchange two Medvedevs for one professional doctor. But we lose, as always, the best ....
                      2. Olezhek
                        Olezhek 22 March 2020 20: 56 New
                        -2
                        The whole EU, in a single impulse to fight the virus, was obliged to rush and help comrades.


                        Must. But they scored.


                        Don't tell Belarusians about UTB ...
                        they are all in sweet mriies ... repeat
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 22 March 2020 20: 58 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Benzorez
                        And it will be a shame if our people (and not the worst ones) become infected and we lose them.

                        Yes, hardly.
                        Young, healthy, increased control over the condition, with the disease, normal treatment.
                        The probability of a tragic event is very small.
                  2. Olezhek
                    Olezhek 22 March 2020 21: 02 New
                    0
                    Then I have a cognitive dissonance.
                    Italy is not on its own. It is part of a certain union of states (than not the USSR). They have a single parliament, etc. Now- trouble has come, open the gate!
                    The whole EU in a single impulse to fight the virus


                    Here you have a discord, and the Italians have a rich life experience of a united Europe since World War II ...
                    When their Germans threw during the retreat ...
                    They don’t get used to it ...
                    In United Europe, do not click with your beak ...
  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 22 March 2020 20: 57 New
    -2
    1 How to introduce sanctions, so it is we, please. As the priest has caked, help all the white light ...
    2 Where are your figures on the EU and from overseas?


    In vain you are so.
    The EU is the most successful integration project of our time.
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 22 March 2020 21: 24 New
      +1
      I am not trying to discuss the EU as a project.
      I was only surprised by the situation when the population dying in the country participating in the miracle project, and the rest of the project participants cannot be expressed here with the only true expressions
      1. Olezhek
        Olezhek 23 March 2020 06: 55 New
        0
        I am not trying to discuss the EU as a project.


        That was the irony. am
  • Avior
    Avior 22 March 2020 18: 13 New
    +2
    if during warming the spread of the virus does not stop by itself, as most injecting quarantine measures rely on, or do not invent a really effective vaccine, then none of these quarantine measures will help, anyway the virus will spread, you can only try to reduce the spread, that is, the load on doctors and thereby increase the survival of patients.
    It seems that the jokes about the fact that there is no coronovirus, that this is all fiction, are over.
    The Italians especially understood, after the Chinese.
    In short, we all die.
    Someday.
    1. bk316
      bk316 22 March 2020 21: 20 New
      +4
      There seems to be no joke about the fact that there is no coronovirus,

      Sergey, these jokes were only for near-minded people on VO, with social networks and other different parties.
      The specialists had no doubts; people who had some base on the topic (like mine) didn’t.
      Everything was written correctly about quarantine.
  • Valerych
    Valerych 22 March 2020 18: 17 New
    11
    Worthy of respect. if true.
  • Finn
    Finn 22 March 2020 18: 50 New
    0
    Quote: Liam
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    made so many mistakes ... mom don't cry ...

    And what mistakes did the Italians make


    I myself saw more than once on TV how they gave an interview that they did not care about the coronavirus, because of making short-term profits in the midst of the coronavirus, the carnival was not canceled and they gathered there from all countries, including China. We did not develop virology and now it is better to ask for help, but not to ask to learn this.
    1. Liam
      Liam 22 March 2020 19: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Finn
      Sam saw more than once on TV

      This is yes ... an irrefutable argument.
      Quote: Finn
      Did not develop virology

      It turns out that it was not developed either in China, or in Korea, Japan, Australia, Germany, France, England, Russia, the United States and another 100 with something countries where the virus walks. And they developed only in Africa and Oceania where there is no virus
  • bogart047
    bogart047 22 March 2020 18: 57 New
    -1
    well. Enemies from the NATO bloc get their own. Is it worth it to worry about?
  • protoss
    protoss 22 March 2020 19: 02 New
    -1
    and what about the Stavropol infectious disease specialist? judging by the media, she infected a bunch of people, and judging by the statistics in the region 1 infected. something the numbers don't beat.
    1. poquello
      poquello 22 March 2020 22: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: protoss
      and what about the Stavropol infectious disease specialist? judging by the media, she infected a bunch of people, and judging by the statistics in the region 1 infected. something the numbers don't beat.

      may be contagious
  • Finn
    Finn 22 March 2020 19: 02 New
    -1
    [quote = Shovels] [quote = Gas cutter] What is our interest in sending our virologists there? [/ quote]
    Learning to glue wallpaper better in the mother-in-law's apartment.
    And to strike once again at "Euro-Atlantic unity" is a good thing. Unfortunately, we do not have as many resources and opportunities as China. [/ Quote

    In Russia, with virology, everything is in order. There is nothing to learn on the spot except that to identify the symptoms known to everyone and make a diagnosis. Wallpaper learn to glue in laboratories inside Russia. There is a strain, there are sick people. What can they learn there ??????? How can you not do flew to study on several military transport aircraft?
  • honest people
    honest people 22 March 2020 19: 29 New
    -5
    Quote: primaala
    Quote: Liam
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Watch the program Solovyov ..

    And why am I not even surprised ... For what other questions should I contact Solovyov?

    Soloviev, unlike you, thinks HELLO. Drop your ambition, at least think about your loved ones. YOU (for now) opegists are fighting with smart Russians, the world is in danger. The threat came from YOUR hosts. YOU are for a cent, easy to sell. And as most people understand, the cent DOES NOT decide everything.
    Health is NOT to buy !!!

    Kremlebotizm threat to humanity!
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 22 March 2020 19: 54 New
    0
    Attract retired doctors. This is definitely a risk group.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 22 March 2020 20: 05 New
    -3
    The Americans are training in the use of bacteriological weapons. Interestingly, they know that they can be destroyed in three days?
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 22 March 2020 20: 11 New
    -1
    I just can’t understand why such a stir with masks rose? What mask can protect against the virus? wassat laughing
    1. vindigo
      vindigo 22 March 2020 21: 00 New
      0
      As with buckwheat and toilet paper.
  • Aliken
    Aliken 22 March 2020 20: 22 New
    +2
    But the EU countries are "united" as never before. And these people gathered to fight with Russia, hilarious.
  • Million
    Million 22 March 2020 20: 40 New
    +1
    Golikov would go there with Skvortsova
  • north 2
    north 2 22 March 2020 20: 44 New
    +5
    the military doctor-infectious disease has such a service, specialty and specificity that it’s just his field
    battles now are Italy. From there, the infection is approaching Russia by leaps and bounds, so Shoigu’s order to act ahead of Italy is a far-sighted decision. Civil defense systems in liberal Europe do not exist at all, because liberalism and globalism inflicted irreparable damage on these states, determining that in the first place there is free a person who cares about the state, state affairs and borders between states. Philosophy of modern
    liberalism and globalism eat the philosophy of locusts, so that there would only be fewer obstacles to them like locusts
    fly and travel the world, eat and be loose, do not work in their states and do not care about
    their states. But as the trouble came, so those states saw that they had not created systems of the state system of Civil Defense, but the liberals and globalists suddenly remembered that
    the state must save them. But how to save if there is no salvation system. Because the Russian Army
    once again saves Europe. Either from Napoleon, then from the Ottomans, then from the Nazis, now from the ISIS terrorists, now from this pandemic of today. Of course, the West is a shame, and Russia is a feat, but knowing not thanks
    not only the West but also all sorts of Bulgaria for their not one-time salvation by Russia, and this time Russia does not need their thanks. Because Russia is now in Italy struggling with this epidemic for reasons
    own security and based on their moral and Christian values, and not because of the notorious internationalism.
    1. bk316
      bk316 22 March 2020 21: 28 New
      +3
      But as trouble came, so those states saw

      Once I wrote a long time ago, when people were laughing about a pandemic.
      The healthcare system and the commercial medicine system are different systems.
      Absolutely - different goals, different methods, different management structures.
      In Italy and in the European Union in general, there is no healthcare system; there is a good system of medicine compared to the Russian Federation, but it is out of work during a pandemic. WHAT IS COMPLETELY CLEAR DEMONSTRATED.
      The PRC has health care, the Russian Federation and the United States are still unclear, but it seems that we are leaders after China, despite the scream of wrestlers. However, we'll see in July. Now the safest place from coronavirus is in China.
    2. Andobor
      Andobor 22 March 2020 21: 56 New
      0
      Quote: north 2
      Russia is now fighting this epidemic for reasons of its own security

      with terrorism in Syria with a coronovirus in Italy.
    3. RitaNik
      RitaNik 22 March 2020 23: 15 New
      0
      And how do you assess the situation with civil defense in Russia? (this is a question, not sarcasm)
  • Dikson
    Dikson 22 March 2020 21: 23 New
    -2
    https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ru%2Famp%2Fs%2Frg.ru%2Famp%2F2015%2F11%2F14%2Fvirus-site-anons.html%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1rCP7pqYLRCFXL-Ic9hBknmQ0yWiW9c9iXOjRmlChVgGFVj4jZta-JcRY&h=AT2j0PR_XIRn1N9WM9rS7WfjS6IgchPDfTfVFEtkwJJhz4MjWJRw7rkAzMCPRGLboZpbrwDHTLmVWteeVxaIkocts3Bxm7sA25Swqkt7JSRD5svYcmC7l0Q8jCowCe395jgpKL_lcU5aTyBKLw6nyJDXcLIUsNA350_XZkM
    Here is such an article from 2015 ... The Chinese, say it’s all your fault, right? )))
  • Voltsky
    Voltsky 22 March 2020 21: 39 New
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    In Spain, at 8 pm, people go out on the balcony "or out the window" and clap their hands, thus applauding the doctors; just from there (I was at work) and is now in quarantine.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 22 March 2020 21: 47 New
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    Well, no luck in Italy. It so happened. Enough poor in European + a bunch of tourists (incl. From Asia.). and VIP tourists that you can’t refuse.

    Nefig gloating.

    Moreover, these VIP tourists brought infection to us.

    They blocked China, Korea, too, but Europe and Italy - no way down, there are children and summer houses of deputies, propagandists, officials and other VIPs .....

    That was delivered ..... And at first it was in the VIP capital ....
  • Jager
    Jager 22 March 2020 23: 09 New
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    Over 4 months, 14 thousand people died from the virus IN THE WORLD. Officially in Russia in 2019, only 17 thousand died in road accidents. In my opinion, this hysteria is in the hands of someone.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 March 2020 23: 43 New
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      The virus is not an accident for you - the first one with a high probability will affect millions and tens of millions, and the accident of tens of people out of hundreds of thousands at the wheel.
      1. Jager
        Jager 24 March 2020 16: 46 New
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        In an accident, ANY member of the movement risks dying. And millions of dead are not visible. The people die, like any flu with a weakened immune system and complications, and these are mostly old people.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 23 March 2020 01: 47 New
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    Quote: 16329
    In Germany, yesterday in Würzburg, 9 deaths in a center for the elderly (news channel report)

    In northern Westphalia, the largest number of infected people is -392, in Baden-Württemberg - 182, (in our area where I live, Landrais Lörrach - 97), in Bavaria (where Würzburg itself is located) - 148 according to RKI (Robert Koch Institute) . Since yesterday, quarantine and a ban on walking on the street have been introduced in groups of more than 3 people. and only for shopping or for work, etc., you can go in for sports if you are alone. so today I traveled 53 km on a bike. and watched how many people rummaged through the streets, there were many
  • Nikolay Balashov
    Nikolay Balashov 23 March 2020 23: 12 New
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    Damn, what gentle, you can’t kick. But seriously, the situation shows - their health care system is neither in the Red Army, nor in any other place. At a friend of mine in Moscow, an employee fell ill at work. Now he sits at home, swallows pills and vitamins and works remotely. On Skype, his joyful face looks healthier than working employees who take saliva every other day.
  • honest people
    honest people 25 March 2020 18: 26 New
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    Because doctors are not on the line of defense, but rather, doctors are the main distributors of infection.

    Doctors save lives at work for days at a time, fall on their feet but do their job, but Kremlin workers believe that they will live forever and that there will not be enough boilers for them in hell.