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Sohu: Problems with purchasing Motor Sich are not critical for China's aircraft engine industry

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The Chinese media discuss the problems that arose when trying to acquire a Ukrainian manufacturer aviation engines "Motor Sich".


Initially, in China, they wrote that the deal to buy Motor Sich by Chinese companies was almost completed. However, in the end, the United States, having pressed on its Ukrainian partners, blocked the deal. At the moment, the Ukrainian company, which made big bets in China, has not gotten to Chinese business.

In the military section of the information resource, Sohu decided to present the situation as uncritical.

The author of the article about problems with the purchase of Motor Sich writes:

The impossibility at the moment to acquire the Ukrainian company Motor Sich cannot be called critical for Chinese engine manufacturing in the aviation industry. Our manufacturers themselves have succeeded in creating aircraft engines. For example, now they are replacing Russian engines on J-20 fighters with power plants manufactured at Chinese enterprises using Chinese technology.

Sohu writes that "Russian specialists are already inclined to admit that China has made significant progress in the field of aircraft engine manufacturing."

Also, the author does not miss the opportunity to offend the representatives of Motor Sich management with a statement that now the company “without Chinese contracts” expects the continuation of problems and a deep economic crisis.
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  1. TAMBU
    TAMBU 22 March 2020 14: 21 New
    0
    it’s easier for them to build a new cluster and lure poor professionals than to buy something there. And faster and easier.
    1. svp67
      svp67 22 March 2020 14: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: TAMBU
      it’s easier for them to build a new cluster and lure poor professionals than to buy something there. And faster and easier.

      I agree, with one "but", so they would get EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING, and as a result they are content with a part and will have to create and check a lot themselves ...
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 22 March 2020 15: 12 New
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        By the way, at the expense of "build yourself".
        Power Machines is finally ending its cooperation with the German Siemens. So the sanctions on the Crimean turbines backfired. Will build its own turbines. As an employee of KTZ (part of Power Machines), I will say that we have specialists.
        http://gazeta-for-you.ru/archives/12052/sankcii-nauchat-rossiyu-delat-moshhnye-turbiny-2/?fbclid=IwAR1tN13cSylvStG_I8jmeAsg2UG5rnWPUUXULJTYzKeCGZM6MEm0dgajRZk
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 22 March 2020 17: 23 New
          +1
          Well, it’s great that you managed to jump out from Siemens: in fact, there are dozens of such situations in Russia and not all are so successful.
          And Motor Sich will very soon be in demand as part of New Russia.
          1. Pathos
            Pathos 22 March 2020 17: 55 New
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            But who needs it, it’s easier to break it from the 91st to the Sich motor, nothing breakthrough has been done, and it’s not advisable to restore the money. Novorossiya itself breathes in a normal way everything is frozen there is no money but you hold on. Salaries to hard workers did not return yet in February, already in March coal mines should give an advance; they do not ship such gray schemes there through 3 intermediaries that those who wish to refuse refuse, state-owned enterprises for 4 days a worker’s salary for the 3rd category 7500 rubles. Restore nothing. Borders closed Ukraine threw pensioners. Although Russia helps with humanitarian aid, and maybe with money.
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    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 22 March 2020 18: 49 New
      0
      Not so simple. Transporting 20 people is not so easy. And if also families?
    3. Maz
      Maz 23 March 2020 09: 45 New
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      Even before 2014, a huge number of narrowly specialized specialists in maritime affairs, construction, tuning, operation and repair of high-precision systems of submarines and warships, naval aviation, missiles, and electronics remained in Ukraine. So our lads compiled a catalog of all professions and specialists, what was simple to do - everything was sold in an independent and is sold today. Then we established the places of residence for all that we needed. A man from a certain intelligence department of the Navy was sent to each techie and made proposals that they could not refuse, taken out by their families, given apartments, working conditions, citizenship. Quietly, without screams and hype in the media. China can do the same
  2. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 22 March 2020 14: 22 New
    +5
    "The inability to acquire the Ukrainian company Motor Sich at the moment cannot be called critical for the Chinese engine building in the aviation industry. Our manufacturers themselves have succeeded in creating aircraft engines. For example, now they are replacing Russian engines on J-20 fighters with power plants produced at Chinese enterprises. according to Chinese technology. "

    Anyway, they mow with their Chinese eyes. yes On the banks of the river they don’t sit and wait. They will not allow something to fall like that, to that very river. smile
  3. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 22 March 2020 14: 28 New
    +8
    The Chinese broke off and, in general, I can’t say that it upsets me.
    Also, the author does not miss the opportunity to offend the representatives of Motor Sich management with a statement that now the company “without Chinese contracts” expects the continuation of problems and a deep economic crisis.
    I agree with the Chinese author - Ukrainian engines are of no interest to anyone except us and the Chinese, perhaps to the Indians, but those are still born, then the Sich will suffer the fate of the Nikolaev shipyards ..
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 22 March 2020 14: 36 New
      +8
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      .. I can’t say that it upsets me.
      Also, the author does not miss the opportunity to offend the representatives of Motor Sich management with a statement that now the company “without Chinese contracts” expects the continuation of problems and a deep economic crisis.
      I agree with the Chinese author - Ukrainian engines are of no interest to anyone except us and the Chinese, perhaps to the Indians, but those are still born, then the Sich will suffer the fate of the Nikolaev shipyards ..

      Well, Russia certainly should not worry about the fate of Ukrainian enterprises - the main thing is not to interfere with their help - they themselves will destroy
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 22 March 2020 14: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        Well, Russia certainly should not worry about the fate of Ukrainian enterprises

        Yes, it seems, and yes, but it’s a pity, such good is not lost for the doggie ... it takes evil, damn it ..
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 22 March 2020 14: 51 New
          +5
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          ... evil takes, damn it ..

          Again, I agree, but everyone chooses for themselves - they have chosen. Amen
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 22 March 2020 17: 28 New
            +4
            The guys suffered 30 years, we still tolerate, but it seems that the car is turning in the right direction to go, as Surkov left ... Yes, and the foreign policy situation in the direction of Russia is unfolding about Donbass and Crimea, and where Donbass is, there is ALL New Russia.
            After all, the Nikolaev Zorya-Mashproekt would also be very useful to us now.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 22 March 2020 17: 55 New
              +2
              Quote: hydrox
              ..Nikolaevskaya Zorya-Mashproekt now would also be very useful to us.
              But in this I do not agree with you. The Russian Federation should not even look at my subjective opinion - this is the whole past: left a quarter century ago without any development. If you need to develop some projects only at home, there is a real benefit: your own, yours and the building from scratch will be built at a different technological level, I want to believe.
              And the rest, it’s important not to interfere with the 404s - they themselves will destroy everything for the sake of the new “partners” and will live as it will
      2. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 22 March 2020 14: 44 New
        +7
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        .. I can’t say that it upsets me.
        Also, the author does not miss the opportunity to offend the representatives of Motor Sich management with a statement that now the company “without Chinese contracts” expects the continuation of problems and a deep economic crisis.
        I agree with the Chinese author - Ukrainian engines are of no interest to anyone except us and the Chinese, perhaps to the Indians, but those are still born, then the Sich will suffer the fate of the Nikolaev shipyards ..

        Well, Russia certainly should not worry about the fate of Ukrainian enterprises - the main thing is not to interfere with their help - they themselves will destroy

        I agree, to each his own. According to merit and face in political and economic terms to the non-brothers. yes
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 22 March 2020 14: 53 New
          +6
          Quote: ul_vitalii
          to each his own. According to merit and face

          I think you can just forget about the independence of the country 404: what
          Quote: ul_vitalii
          politically and economically
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 22 March 2020 14: 49 New
      +2
      I agree with the Chinese author - Ukrainian engines besides us and the Chinese are of no interest to anyone

      For Russia at the moment, perhaps only D-18T can be of some interest. And then we will soon make our own engine with a thrust of 24 tons. To replace the engines with An-124, for PAK YES.
  4. Tusv
    Tusv 22 March 2020 14: 30 New
    +3
    For example, now they are replacing Russian engines on J-20 fighters with power plants manufactured at Chinese enterprises using Chinese technology.

    Oh yoy yoy. 100% ahead of Pratt und Whitney. At 150 Russian engines. But so far on earth, but for now on licensed Russian engines
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 22 March 2020 20: 11 New
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      As well as licensed German diesels
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 22 March 2020 20: 15 New
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        Not interested
  5. Scipio
    Scipio 22 March 2020 14: 30 New
    +3
    By Chinese technology? And there are such?))))
    1. Dmitry Bolotsky
      Dmitry Bolotsky 22 March 2020 15: 49 New
      +1
      Yes, yes, that is exactly what I wanted to write, something new has appeared in the world - Chinese technology. Almost like English scientists! laughing
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty 22 March 2020 14: 32 New
    +2
    Yes, you won’t praise yourself, here the Chinese have succeeded in self-PR! If the Chinese do not need motor sich, why do they want to buy it?
    1. venik
      venik 22 March 2020 15: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      If the Chinese do not need motor sich, why do they want to buy it?

      ========
      And "to support Ukrainian engine builders"! So to say "humanitarian aid" ...... Exclusively out of a sense of pity, not otherwise! laughing lol
  7. Tomich3
    Tomich3 22 March 2020 14: 36 New
    +3
    As far as I know, the Chinese still do not have an engine that allows you to make a supersonic flight in the afterburner mode and makes the machine highly maneuverable.
  8. svp67
    svp67 22 March 2020 14: 40 New
    +1
    When you attract the majority of specialists to yourself, the refusal to sell will of course become not critical ...
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 22 March 2020 14: 45 New
      +2
      Seryoga, good morning! soldier
      Quote: svp67
      you will attract most of the specialists

      The Chinese managed to lure to themselves?
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 March 2020 14: 49 New
        +3
        hello Pasha hi
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        The Chinese managed to lure to themselves?

        Someone and something they managed to win over, and not only from Motor Sich, but also specialists in electronics and shipbuilding, they pay well, they create conditions for life, work and creativity,
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 22 March 2020 14: 53 New
          +4
          I will not say how much the same mattresses lured scientists to themselves. And I don’t even speak about others (including Chinese) ...
  9. askort154
    askort154 22 March 2020 14: 47 New
    +2
    Initially, in China, they wrote that the deal to buy Motor Sich by Chinese companies was almost completed. However, in the end, the United States, putting pressure on its Ukrainian partners, blocked the deal.

    In the fall, we have already discussed this topic here. Many, including myself, were confident that the United States would not allow such a deal. And so it happened. The Chinese need this plant, the United States - no. As a result, SICH companies are a trend. By the way, this is another very clear example,
    who really rules in "independent Ukraine".
  10. Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter 22 March 2020 14: 52 New
    +1
    Our manufacturers themselves have succeeded in creating aircraft engines. For example, now they are replacing Russian engines on J-20 fighters with power plants manufactured at Chinese enterprises using Chinese technology.

    Someone else in China criticized our Su-57. Mol engines do not correspond to the 5th generation, but it turns out that they put on their J-20?
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  12. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 22 March 2020 14: 54 New
    +1
    The Chinese have long bought technology from Ukraine. And specialists with families were transported to China, work and housing were provided.
    1. Avior
      Avior 22 March 2020 18: 01 New
      0
      And specialists with families were transported to China, work and housing were provided.

      there wasn’t and wasn’t, it’s fiction.
      China needs proven Soviet technology, so they need a plant.
  13. knn54
    knn54 22 March 2020 15: 00 New
    +2
    As a "hero" at a crossroads - sell to the Chinese, return to the Russian market or ... die The last of the Yankes is quite satisfied.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 22 March 2020 20: 15 New
      0
      They don’t care, like a rusty sickle in one place
  14. Cowbra
    Cowbra 22 March 2020 15: 01 New
    +1
    Yes, they were critical, since you took all the technical documentation with Motorsich back in 2014 for debts?
    1. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 22 March 2020 17: 42 New
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      Quote: Cowbra
      Yes, they were critical, since you took all the technical documentation with Motorsich back in 2014 for debts?

      Who are you? We or the Chinese?
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 22 March 2020 17: 45 New
        +1
        Chinese, Chinese
  15. Orkraider
    Orkraider 22 March 2020 15: 13 New
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    Motor Sich executives with a statement that now the company “without Chinese contracts” expects continued problems and a deep economic crisis.


    I do not think that the Chinese will stop buying engines. As was the contract - and remained. As the Chinese needed them, they were needed. And here is how they will start to produce themselves, and this, unfortunately *, is coming - The motor is waiting for the collapse.

    * unfortunately - competitors are not needed by our equipment, and the lack of their own reliable engines is holding back the Chinese.
  16. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 22 March 2020 15: 14 New
    +1
    in China they wrote that the deal to buy Motor Sich by Chinese companies was almost completed. However, in the end, the United States, putting pressure on its Ukrainian partners, blocked the deal.

    1. "The United States, of course, macaques, but China is somehow too!" (according to General M.I.Dragomirov).
    2. Do not seem- "GOP!" (some neighbors)
  17. bar
    bar 22 March 2020 15: 23 New
    +1
    Our manufacturers themselves have succeeded in creating aircraft engines.

    Yeah, "we didn't really want to." So say the offended children who did not get the candy.
  18. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 22 March 2020 15: 52 New
    +3
    What they could have dragged away, but of course I wanted more, now they seem to have everything but, as before, something is missing. But plow, she’s lying like she’s breathing, you won’t get sick from the Chinese, the helmsman said, everything is fine, then everything is fine, we have it from Benediktov with echo matzah, in the regional committee in the USA, they said badly, it means bad and at least get wet.
  19. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 22 March 2020 15: 58 New
    +1
    Initially, in China, they wrote that the deal to buy Motor Sich by Chinese companies was almost completed. However, in the end, the United States, putting pressure on its Ukrainian partners, blocked the deal.

    Yeah. Hurry - you make people laugh. They would shout and boast less, maybe they would slip through ...
  20. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 22 March 2020 16: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: KVU-NSVD
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Well, Russia certainly should not worry about the fate of Ukrainian enterprises

    Yes, it seems, and yes, but it’s a pity, such good is not lost for the doggie ... it takes evil, damn it ..

    Do you want this production to flourish and rivet something that we would then have to deal with? This state of affairs is the most favorable. Penguins do not need to revive and raise Sich in FIG. They didn’t let them reborn under the Chinese flag, they won’t let them reborn under another.
    1. silberwolf88
      silberwolf88 22 March 2020 16: 23 New
      +1
      if it’s completely cynical ... it’s okay what happened ... and all due to the non-fallow themselves
  21. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 22 March 2020 16: 22 New
    0
    the tang didn’t give ... there was a huge risk that China would have its lineup and engine school ... tensed and banned the topic ... and all at the expense of the ancients as their main profession and plastic ukrov ...
  22. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 22 March 2020 16: 50 New
    +2
    At the moment, the Ukrainian company, which made big bets in China, has not gotten to Chinese business.

    Wonderful.
    This enterprise, together with the rest of the barely breathing industry, will move to us in the near future.
    Together with all of Ukraine.
    Just wait.
    The ripening process has accelerated. The coronavirus does not sleep! wink
    1. Kushka
      Kushka 22 March 2020 17: 29 New
      +1
      Germany, too, a lot of things happened when the GDR joined (enterprises are much
      better than in the USSR, the GDR was a showcase of socialism). It turned out they were easier
      to demolish with an escavator than to put into action. And this despite the fact that the Germans did not plunder them.
      And here, except that the chimney will remain.
      1. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert 22 March 2020 17: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Kushka
        Germany, too, a lot of things happened when the GDR joined (enterprises are much
        better than in the USSR, the GDR was a showcase of socialism). It turned out they were easier
        to demolish with an escavator than to put into action. And this despite the fact that the Germans did not plunder them.
        And here, except that the chimney will remain.

        However, without the GDR, Germany remained an inferior country.
        Over time, all the differences between East and West Germany will disappear.
        The Germans will remain Germans in a single country with a single economy.
        We, too.
        We have no other fate. Only together. Only Great Russia.
    2. Astra wild
      Astra wild 22 March 2020 19: 19 New
      +1
      Their Washington households will not allow. Information flashed that because of the coronovirus in America, Biden could defeat, and he, or rather his son, has great financial interests in Ukraine. So he will support the current government, perhaps he will exchange the Ze for another puppet
      1. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert 22 March 2020 19: 30 New
        +2
        Very soon, the "Washington hosts", with their mouths open, will watch the agony of the neighboring country. And pick up the fallen out "nishtyaks".
        Do not hold water in your hands for a long time.
        We will build a new Ukrainian state.
        In its composition.
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 22 March 2020 19: 33 New
        -1
        Quote: Astra wild
        Information flashed that because of the coronovirus in America, Biden could defeat, and he, or rather his son, has great financial interests in Ukraine. So he will support the current government, perhaps he will exchange the Ze for another puppet

        Fish is pike, pike is teeth, teeth is dog, dog is (censorship)

        L is the logic.
  23. Kushka
    Kushka 22 March 2020 16: 54 New
    0
    if you look carefully, you will not find anywhere words of concern for Motor Sich
    neither Yanukovych, nor Rabbit, nor Poroshenko, nor even Turchinov,
    not to mention the Verkhovna Rada. Well, fuck nobody needs her (except
    owner Boguslaev), well, this is not given to this country. Well, the Poles live,
    Czechs without turbine building, and it seems not lively.
  24. ximkim
    ximkim 22 March 2020 17: 01 New
    0
    Quote: Shurik70
    By the way, at the expense of "build yourself".
    Power Machines is finally ending its cooperation with the German Siemens. So the sanctions on the Crimean turbines backfired. Will build its own turbines. As an employee of KTZ (part of Power Machines), I will say that we have specialists.
    http://gazeta-for-you.ru/archives/12052/sankcii-nauchat-rossiyu-delat-moshhnye-turbiny-2/?fbclid=IwAR1tN13cSylvStG_I8jmeAsg2UG5rnWPUUXULJTYzKeCGZM6MEm0dgajRZk

    This is good, if only they themselves completely carried out the production cycle with, and without emm, and hands-on ... Why am I that Power Machines should be even worse without co-production with someone (we collect products of the overseas state in our workshops) ... And so as not to look back: either sanctions, or not sold, sometimes we do not know how, sometimes we don’t want to and is not profitable, it’s easier to resell.
  25. Avior
    Avior 22 March 2020 17: 58 New
    0
    the author does not miss the opportunity to offend the representatives of the Motor Sich management with a statement that now the company “without Chinese contracts” expects the continuation of problems and a deep economic crisis.

    which author is meant?
    the Chinese are not interested in the collapse of the plant, sooner or later it will pass to them anyway, why should they ruin it?
  26. Astra wild
    Astra wild 22 March 2020 19: 08 New
    +1
    "they decided to present the situation as not critical" - I was reminded of Krylov's fable: "The Fox and the Grapes", she thinks there the same way
  27. vladcub
    vladcub 22 March 2020 20: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: Cowbra
    Yes, they were critical, since you took all the technical documentation with Motorsich back in 2014 for debts?

    Why then did the Chinese want to buy a Motor Sich? Doubt the Chinese are interested in outdated equipment
  28. pin_code
    pin_code 23 March 2020 06: 48 New
    0
    if they weren’t critical, they wouldn’t try to buy ...