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Whom the Chinese ate. Coronavirus and the world in half

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Cognitive fact: the United States and England have grown together not only with their secret services, but also with virologists: they made a joint (why?) Statement that coronavirus is of natural origin, substantiating this with scientific comments on its proteins and the “basis”.


Science as a Politician


Only other virologists can comment on such findings, and they will certainly do so. Especially Chinese. Because this American-English scientific statement speaks of the natural origin of the coronavirus, but in China. As a result of the fact that the snake ate the bat, well, and then the Chinese ate them ...

Thus, these virologists accuse China indirectly, and President Trump directly accuses China of the fact that its leadership did not timely warn the world and even hide for some time information about the epidemic, as a result of which it turned into a global pandemic.

In general, Chinese virologists have already made a statement that the infection was brought to the city of Wuhan from the outside, and hinted at the Americans. Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian in a public statement admitted that the U.S. military brought coronavirus to Wuhan during the international games in Wuhan, and cited the opinion of American expert Robert Redleaf, who said in the U.S. Congress that coronavirus is hiding behind many deaths from influenza in the U.S. That is, the "zero patient" may be hiding in the United States. Zhao Lijian exclaims: “The USA must explain everything to us!” Here are the US-English virologists and he explained everything ...

Wuhan or not Wuhan?


So where did the initial focus of the coronavirus epidemic originate: in China or in the USA? The fact that he was discovered in China. Maybe because there they are more closely watching the occurrence of influenza infections? The development of a pandemic answers this question.

Observers have already drawn attention to the apparent contradiction of pandemic estimates in the world. Western experts, from American to European, predict disastrous consequences: up to 2/3 of the population will be ill, the pandemic will last up to two years. Despite the fact that in China, as it were, the initial focus of infection, the epidemic has basically already been overcome, the new infections that are being recorded are imported from outside.

Why is such an obvious, we can say glaring contradiction? It is explained if the initial focus of coronavirus infection was still in the United States. Then, while this virus was diagnosed in China, it managed to spread widely throughout the United States and flowed into Western Europe, closely connected with the United States.

In China, there was only one major source of infection in Wuhan, and China localized it by military medical methods, preventing it from spreading to the entire territory of the country. In the United States and Europe, the exact opposite picture took shape: the coronavirus managed to spread throughout the territory, so it’s too late to drink Borjomi, so to speak, so Western leaders all say that the coronavirus will have to be ill, and this will take years. But Trump is already blaming China for this: they say he warned everyone late. And Western virologists echo him.

By the way, China is helping Italy to fight the epidemic. Chinese virologists gain direct access to European variations of the coronavirus, and they can in fact discover interesting data on its nature by comparing them with Chinese samples.

Coronavirus hasn’t said everything yet


The actual picture of the pandemic is in favor of China. If the initial focus of the epidemic was in China, then why was Beijing able to localize the coronavirus, and in the USA it spread to all states? Why didn't the US even try to localize the epidemic? Indeed, China certainly could not hide the application of quarantine measures in Wuhan! The only answer suggests itself ...

In Europe, in particular in England, there have been cases of the importation of coronavirus from the United States even from scientific conferences, and not just from China, but they are not advertised, unlike the Chinese.

Meanwhile, coronavirus has already begun to mutate like normal flu, and this can have big consequences. Great scientific powers create vaccines adapted to their variations of coronavirus, and it’s not a fact that they will be effective everywhere, that is, it will be impossible to “catch” all mutations of the coronavirus, as we cannot “catch” ordinary flu virus due to constant mutations. A situation may arise when vaccines against coronavirus will always be late from its all new mutations in different countries.

Other important questions remain, here's the main one: will a person develop immunity to coronavirus? (Repeated illnesses of people who have just recovered are noted.) Will it be possible to create an effective universal vaccine and methods for treating coronavirus? These questions remain open, as are their consequences. If a universal vaccine cannot be created, the world will split up, countries will close their borders to escape within their borders.

If a universal vaccine cannot be created


We already see: some countries intend to protect themselves from the coronavirus by strict quarantine measures (the Chinese way), while others hope to get sick and develop immunity (the Anglo-American way). The division of the world can occur along this line.

This will lead to the fact that the world will be divided into countries that have suffered coronavirus and somehow live with it, and non-coronavirus countries that are protected by quarantine measures. China is clearly becoming non-coronavirus, but the United States and Western Europe are becoming coronavirus, they are already declaring their intention to get coronavirus, quarantine measures only by stretching this process.

It is still unclear what scenario the pandemic will develop in Russia: Chinese or US-European? While the situation seems to be under control, and Russia seeks to follow the Chinese path of combating the pandemic, it is closely cooperating with China. A large number of imported cases of coronavirus in Russia are from Europe, and not from China at all. If Russia follows this path, it will become a non-coronavirus country and will move even further away from Europe and the USA, if it does not survive, it will become coronavirus.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 23 March 2020 05: 52 New
    +5
    Yes, of course it is clear that America and Trump are to blame, well, and Obama a little bit.
    1. Retvizan 8
      Retvizan 8 23 March 2020 06: 29 New
      +4
      "Everyone knows who is to blame, America, Trump, a conspiracy of persons of a certain nationality."
      And you "Pessimist 22", persistently continue to fight for the honor and dignity of the United States and Donald Trump?))))
      Your previous comment is not much different from the new one.)))
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 23 March 2020 07: 33 New
        +6
        So here only America is blamed and the conspiracy of persons of a certain nationality is nothing new.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 23 March 2020 10: 43 New
          0
          Yes, people have one nationality - capitalist. And apart from profit, they are not interested in anything. They are ready to sacrifice everyone else and the rest.
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 23 March 2020 11: 22 New
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          Quote: Pessimist22
          So here only America is blamed and the conspiracy of persons of a certain nationality is nothing new.

          So why are you "Pessimist22" with enviable maniacal persistence engaged in self-torture and wasting your time to once again be upset that America and people of a certain nationality are blamed here? There is a sufficient amount of alternative resources where America and these people of a certain nationality are praised. All yours There and in general there everything is tip-top - the Russian Federation, China, Iran and North Korea are a priori to blame for everything, and the world is saved by mattresses reinforced by zhisniks under the protection of an "iron dome" invented by persons of a certain nationality.
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 23 March 2020 14: 31 New
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            Quote: Nyrobsky
            ...a priori, Russia, China, Iran and North Korea are to blame for everything, and the world is saved by mattresses reinforced with zhisniki under the protection of an "iron dome".

            hi
            The Americans are not one step away from the cliche invented during the creation of the USA - someone is guilty, and the USA (God save America) is saving the world from the Tatars. This concept has creaked and broken lately (sorry, that is slow). China, for example, is more decisive:

            This means last Tuesday.
        3. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 23 March 2020 11: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Pessimist22
          So here only America is blamed and the conspiracy of persons of a certain nationality is nothing new.

          And why do you need a new angel? Is this an interesting book? Or a cool movie? What kind of novelty do you need? A logical, consistent, evidence-based explanation is needed. It is presented in the article. And what do you say in response? Your "answer" in the style of a review of a cool vidosik.
          Is it paid at least for such an activity well?
      2. Alex_59
        Alex_59 23 March 2020 07: 48 New
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        Quote: Retvizan 8
        continue to fight with stubbornness for the honor and dignity of the United States and Donald Trump?

        A very strange diversion from the United States is obtained. Weapons that not only the enemy, but also bombed themselves. A machine gun firing in both directions - on the target and on the shooter himself. So-so weapons ...
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 23 March 2020 08: 05 New
          +3
          You need to be able to make "automatic machines". And now even the antidote doesn't seem to fit.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 23 March 2020 09: 11 New
            +6
            Before the only the argument for the version that coronavirus is US sabotage was its profitability for the US in a situation of economic confrontation with China.

            Now this single argument has collapsed miserably (exactly in the way that it was predicted from the very beginning - that it doesn’t matter to whom it infects the virus), but the version, as we see, does not suffer at all, even acquires new details and plays new bright colors.
            1. sleeve
              sleeve 23 March 2020 09: 38 New
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              Yes, and let this version live. She does not bother anyone and does not help.
              1. military_cat
                military_cat 23 March 2020 09: 44 New
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                There is harm from it - it destroys critical thinking in people. They watch how the version with the collapsed argumentation continues to walk and think: "Well, is that possible?"
              2. Alex_59
                Alex_59 23 March 2020 09: 59 New
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                Quote: sleeve
                Yes, and let this version live. She does not bother anyone and does not help.

                So the crazy version is the same. Anyone who knows even a little what biological weapons understand that the main goal in general to bother with it is the point of use and complete safety for their own. Plus, speed, because you need to wet the enemy here and now, no one needs bullets with a delayed damaging effect (hit today, the wound began a week later). And that is why there are almost no virus-based biological weapons - almost all fighting species are bacterial. Because bacteria-based controlled and controlled versions are made much easier. For example, combat anthrax gets into a strictly intended area and its spread beyond a predetermined radius is excluded (in any wind and weather) precisely by its technical characteristics (the powder does not rise from the ground into the air, once falling to the ground, etc.). Plus she is there in such a concentration that those in the affected area are guaranteed to get sick here and now.
                1. sleeve
                  sleeve 23 March 2020 15: 56 New
                  +1
                  A somewhat private view of biological warfare. You very correctly touched upon the aspects of explicit bacteriological weapons and their use. But this is already an open application. The virus plays a long and fairly high quality. Remember HIV, because it was creatively created for a certain age category. But something went wrong and that’s it. Naturally viral dances will continue. And this nonsense will periodically break out into the world. Besides, who said that this is not a supranational project? A kind of universal scale of Nazism mowing down the elderly and the sick. Moreover, how beautifully he blows steam from the global economy. The crisis is not from the system, but from a pandemic. The authors of the project will be cynical and brilliant people in nature. Buried alive.
          2. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 23 March 2020 10: 46 New
            +3
            Most likely, the virus was imprisoned for the Han, but something went wrong and he began to infect everyone. The squint of Americans has long been known. Moreover, the test was carried out on foreign territory. To admit - to give a real reason for the war, or rather a retaliatory strike. Which America will not survive.
        2. Blacksmith 55
          Blacksmith 55 23 March 2020 10: 00 New
          +5
          Good morning .
          Who infected someone, or who developed the virus, we will not know, such things are not officially recognized. Everything else is speculation and speculation. In short, who believes in what.
          But the virus has changed our world. And sometime perhaps we will tell children and grandchildren about that time, before the virus.
          Health to all.
        3. svp67
          svp67 23 March 2020 10: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Alex_59
          Weapons that not only the enemy, but also bombed themselves.

          And this is a biological weapon. The author did not indicate what kind of arguments the Chinese are giving, and this is that in the United States, that year, there was an outbreak of a previously unknown disease - "vaper disease", the Chinese say that the current coronavirus is a direct descendant of that virus. "Vaper disease" swept across the United States in the summer-early fall of 2019, some of the sick there could, but not alone, come or come to China, where the virus has already mutated a little and "Ivanovskaya went for a walk"
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 23 March 2020 10: 34 New
            0
            Quote: svp67
            The author did not indicate what kind of arguments the Chinese give, and this is that in the United States, in that year, there was an outbreak of a previously unknown disease - "vaper disease"

            Well, that is, judging by these arguments, someone attacked the US with biological weapons earlier. It is unlikely that they themselves tried to destroy their vapers. Well, then what happens? Who attacked the United States with an unknown vaper disease? China? Or Putin again?
            In short, nonsense again.
            There was an outbreak of very severe pneumonia in Russia last year. Perhaps not only in Russia. In the most obvious way, a lot of people were ill, and among my acquaintances, many people ended up in hospitals. It so happens, no one sprayed "pneumonia spores" over Russia.
            Although one elderly woman with Soviet hardening tried to justify such a theory to me - they say that the Americans poison us through the spraying of bacteria from space. I respect the elderly ...
            1. svp67
              svp67 23 March 2020 10: 39 New
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              Quote: Alex_59
              It is unlikely that they themselves tried to destroy their vapers.

              Well, who planted the "legionnaires' disease"? There is simply a dispute where the "homeland" of this infection is, and not who is its "dad".
              1. Aleksandr21
                Aleksandr21 23 March 2020 10: 51 New
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                Quote: svp67
                Well, who planted the "legionnaires' disease"? There is simply a dispute where the "homeland" of this infection is, and not who is its "dad".


                There is also a version that the "homeland" is Mother Earth:

                At the Smorodintsev Influenza Research Institute (NII), whose scientists were able to completely decipher the coronavirus genome, revealed the details of their work. About it on Thursday, March 19, reports a portal "Doctor Peter".

                As explained by the head of the institute Dmitry Lioznov, specialists were able to establish that SARS-CoV-2 has a natural origin. “From animals, and yet from bats. So we are again convinced that all conspiracy theories are untenable, ”he emphasized. At the same time, Lioznov noted that the institute would continue to investigate this virus. In addition, the research institute will help clinics with laboratory diagnosis of infection.

                The fact that Russian scientists were able to decipher the full genome of the coronavirus became known earlier on March 19. Genetic data has been reportedly uploaded to the EpiCoV GISAID international database, which is used by the World Health Organization (WHO) and leading global research groups to monitor the global evolution of coronavirus.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 23 March 2020 11: 23 New
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                  Quote: Aleksandr21
                  There is also a version that the "homeland" is Mother Earth:

                  here it even argues not to have to, Earth is a living organism and it clearly resists such overpopulation of people. But people themselves strongly help this
              2. Alex_59
                Alex_59 23 March 2020 11: 22 New
                0
                Quote: svp67
                There is simply a dispute where the "homeland" of this infection is, and not who is its "dad".

                Solid conspiracy theories, not a dispute. I am still amazed that until now they have not found somewhere on the fence in Wuhan a scrawled inscription "Petrov and Boshirov were here" in Cyrillic. laughing I should have made such a discovery a long time ago, otherwise I’m directly annoyed, I’m used to the Russians doing all the evil in the universe, and then all of a sudden the Chinese / Americans. Very strange! laughing
                1. svp67
                  svp67 23 March 2020 11: 25 New
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                  Quote: Alex_59
                  and then suddenly the Chinese / Americans. Very strange!

                  Nothing strange, there is clearly a dispute between two antagonistic states, for leadership
                  1. Alex_59
                    Alex_59 23 March 2020 11: 28 New
                    +1
                    Quote: svp67
                    Nothing strange, there is clearly a dispute between two antagonistic states, for leadership

                    Yes, I understand, I'm trying to joke like that, about the fact that we were usually accused of all the filth. And the Malaysian Boeing, and our athletes are doping, and we forged the American elections, and then everywhere ...
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 23 March 2020 11: 40 New
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                      Quote: Alex_59
                      about the fact that we were usually accused of all filth

                      The empire purposefully and systematically destroys all sorts of "barbarians" who had the audacity to encroach on its greatness
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 23 March 2020 13: 27 New
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              I respect the elderly ...
              And rightly so. Take an interest in the history of tests of various weapons on American citizens themselves, I’m not talking about others. And the question is - what the hell (to the question of respecting old age) there are so many biological laboratories around us around us?
              1. Alex_59
                Alex_59 23 March 2020 14: 27 New
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                Quote: NordUral
                Take an interest in the history of tests of various weapons on the American citizens themselves
                If you are talking about nuclear exercises, then this is not a focused test on people, but carelessness. If you are about drug testing, then only volunteers are recruited there, explaining in advance that the result is unknown.
                Liberals love to shout about how nuclear weapons were tested on people during the Totsky exercises, but this is the same nonsense as shouts about nuclear weapons tests on American soldiers. Everything was strictly safe with us, they just got gouging because of the underestimation of the danger of the consequences.
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 23 March 2020 17: 05 New
                  +1
                  Tests of bacterial weapons in the US and UK Not only the USSR tested biological weapons on its citizens, but also the USA and European countries. In October 2001, the American newspaper The Wall Street Journal published an article that described the US government testing biological weapons on its citizens in the 1950s. Most of the article is about 1950's Sea Spray. Then, in the sky over San Francisco, the US Navy secretly sprayed an aerosol that contained the bacteria Serrations marcescensis, which could cause a urinary tract infection. Thus, scientists wanted to study the possibility of infectious infection of the population. In the April 21, 2001 issue of The Guardian newspaper (Great Britain), there is an article devoted to the testing of biological weapons between 1940 and 1979. In 1964, in the London Underground, scientists from the State Research Center in Porton Down, Wiltshire, sprayed a huge amount of Bacillus Globigii bacteria. Specialists wanted to know how aerosols travel long distances in the subway: through the ventilation system or inside the car. The British authorities believed that Bacillus Globigii was harmless, but later it turned out that the bacteria Bacillus Globigii caused eye infections and food poisoning. What is happening now? We talked only about part of such tests. In the world over the past few decades, thousands of secret biological weapons operations have been conducted. It is impossible to name the number of human victims of such operations. All information is hidden from the public. Biological weapons tests are usually carried out in enclosed areas and in experimental animals. However, often the target is a person who lives inside the state. In 1972, the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction was signed. Currently, its participants are 163 states. This Convention is a simple formality, part of the political game shown to the masses. Behind the scenes, biological weapons, as developed, will continue to be developed by world powers. Because the possession of this type of weapon is the key to success in future wars. According to the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom (WILPF), today 12 countries may possess biological weapons. Among these countries are the USA, Iran, Iraq, Russia, Libya, China, Great Britain, Egypt, Syria, Israel, North Korea, and Taiwan. It is known about two US laboratories for the development of biological weapons, which are located on the borders of Russia. The first base is located near Tbilisi, the second in Odessa. General of the Imperial Army of Japan Shiro Ishii once said: Unlike artillery shells, bacteriological weapons are not capable of instantly killing manpower, but these "not exploding bombs" - shells stuffed with bacteria - noisily strike the human body, bringing a slow but painful death. It is not necessary to produce shells, you can infect quite peaceful things: clothes, cosmetics, food and drinks, you can spray bacteria from the air. Let the first attack not be massive, all the same, bacteria will multiply and hit targets. References: 1. US National Archives ABCHH / 149: Alsos Mission. Report on the Interrogation of Professor H. Kliewe, May 7-11th1945 (Kriegsbeuteakten) 2. Alibek K., Handelmann S. Biohazard. NY: Random house, 1999, 319 pp. 3. Boytsov V.V. Military biology in the USSR at the turn of the 20-40s. Manuscript. 41 pp., 1995. 4. Kvitko E. (Burgasov P.N.). Smallpox is also a good weapon. Moscow News, November 13, 2001. 5. Could Kazakhstan sell killer bacteria to Iraq? "Caravan" (Kazakhstan), January 10, 2003. 6. Zholdasov A. Eco-bio-chemical training ground. "Soviet Karakalpakia", January 29, 1992 7. RGVA, f.20, op.19, d.89, l. 117. 8. RGVA, f.20, op.19, d.89, l. 223. 9. Fedorov L.A. SOVIET BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS: HISTORY, ECOLOGY, POLICY.

                  More information on the North Lighthouse: https://severnymayak.ru/2016/08/19/biologicheskoe-oruzhie-tajnye-ispytaniya-na-lyudyax/
        4. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 23 March 2020 11: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: Alex_59
          A very strange diversion from the United States is obtained. Weapons that not only the enemy, but also bombed themselves. A machine gun firing in both directions - on the target and on the shooter himself. So-so weapons ...

          But this diversion is not so strange. In the dollar zone, elections are raging, which can now be legally rescheduled indefinitely through the introduction of a state of emergency. Whatever life seems like honey - Two US economic competitors through this coronavirus went into the process of unbalancing - the yuan zone is sausage, the euro zone is shaking, economic ties are breaking, indicators are falling. Russia was tied into the oil war with the Saudis. All in business. Question - WHY?
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 23 March 2020 15: 06 New
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            Quote: Nyrobsky
            In the dollar zone, elections are raging, which can now be legally rescheduled indefinitely through the introduction of a state of emergency.

            Elections run down in the US, and the dollar zone is the whole planet. With a high probability, Trump will be re-elected - why should he organize a pandemic? Democrats need this even less, because they don’t need a state of emergency in which Trump will be thrown a couple more years of reign outside the election. In general, no logic can be traced.
            With this approach, any natural disaster can be attributed to anyone. I can immediately issue any such theory. For example, Iran arranged all this so that sanctions would be lifted from it in conditions of worsening trade. Or it was ordered by the Saudis to punish Russia for leaving OPEC +, so that the Russian Federation would not go to the stable Chinese energy market after losing positions in the EU amid falling oil prices. In short, you can rave endlessly.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 23 March 2020 23: 45 New
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              Quote: Alex_59
              Elections run down in the US, and the dollar zone is the whole planet. With a high probability, Trump will be re-elected - why should he organize a pandemic? Democrats need it even lessbecause they don’t need a state of emergency in which Trump will be thrown a couple more years of reign outside the election.

              The fact of the matter is that Trump is not a Democrat. Why do you think that if the Democrats do not need a couple of extra years in favor of Trump, then the Republicans also do not need this?
              Quote: Alex_59
              In general, no logic can be traced.
              Well, uh, than rich request This is just one opinion out of many. Reveal your thought, perhaps it will be the truth.
        5. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 23 March 2020 12: 01 New
          -1
          Read the story of the CIA assassination attempt on Castro, for example. It's wild, strange, and even ridiculous to screw up over and over again - a tradition of US international operations. They always go on the fact that "we are not greedy, and not poor", that is, loot triumphs over evil. Less than a week ago, the US was trying to buy out a German firm working on a vaccine.
          It is very similar to pre-existing miracles - not to calculate the consequences, not to keep your own weapon in your hands, frantically trying to flood the failure with money ... one to one. Probably the authors of the virus promised that the summer heat would be enough to destroy it. And then someone applied the virus not when it should have been done according to the calendar, but when a political "opportunity" appeared.
          By the way, if the authors of the pandemic are the United States, then the approach "everyone get sick and live on" is preferable to quarantine, and quarantines are undertaken for the purpose of populism.
        6. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 March 2020 14: 08 New
          +1
          This virus appeared solely thanks to Chinese cuisine - and any garbage that someone created it, it is not clear for what purpose, it’s just the fantasies of all those who went and the media.
        7. Pavel57
          Pavel57 23 March 2020 14: 09 New
          0
          The shooter will not suffer, and all who did not hide .. this is their problem. Less people, more oxygen. Anglo-Saxons are not used to it.
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    3. vkl.47
      vkl.47 23 March 2020 08: 39 New
      +8
      This virus is already turning people into zombies. They are running like crazy for buckwheat. Like blood vampires.
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 23 March 2020 10: 24 New
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        Quote: vkl.47
        This virus is already turning people into zombies. They are running like crazy for buckwheat. Like blood vampires.

        This TV suggests that people are running after buckwheat because of a virus. In fact, it is mainly pensioners who stock up on food because the ruble has collapsed and food prices will inevitably creep up. Actually, they are already growing. The pensioner was barely making ends meet even before the price hike, and if he does not stock up now, he will have a hard time. The second category of "alarmists" is low-paid workers; almost the entire province. They are also trying to save a little. And they spat on the virus and the endlessly lying media.
        Incidentally, I would have stocked up with gasoline, because it will also inevitably rise in price, but there is no place to store it.
        Here, by the way, is the question: food prices will rise, and farmers will not get anything from this for obvious reasons. But sowing and processing products will require fuel that will rise in price - and this means that food price increases will be long-term. The expectation that oil demand is about to trample up is hardly justified: Russia de facto pulled out of the OPEC + deal, and therefore oil prices will be low.
        God grant that I was wrong.
        1. Roman12345678
          Roman12345678 24 March 2020 11: 59 New
          -1
          As an atheist I will answer that you are absolutely right ..
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 23 March 2020 13: 30 New
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        When your pension is at the level of the living wage and the country continues to be ruled by the "guarantor", then you will be the first to run, vkl.47.
    4. BecmepH
      BecmepH 23 March 2020 09: 14 New
      -1
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Yes, of course it is clear that America and Trump are to blame, well, and Obama a little bit.

      But what about the Russian Federation? How is it without us?
      1. gurzuf
        gurzuf 23 March 2020 10: 26 New
        +2
        We will see. We will help Italy, we’ll get new sanctions.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 23 March 2020 13: 30 New
        -1
        "Ours" got a lift, undeservedly.
    5. Ren
      Ren 23 March 2020 09: 26 New
      +3
      This virus with a high degree of probability (highly likely) was created by Americans in 2014 - a link to a publication in the scientific journal NATURE: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
      https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 23 March 2020 15: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: Ren
        This virus with a high degree of probability (highly likely) was created by Americans

        I read both articles. The first one, of course, will break a damn leg, but approximately I realized that after the outbreak of the 2003 SARS epidemic, they tried to model possible mutations of bat viruses in order to understand what can be expected in the future. Basically this is their job, damn it! They are obliged to look for possible threats in advance and is preparing to fight them.
        The second article calls into question the feasibility of such search experiments and, as I understand it, the opinions of scientists are shared. Are they alone? that such works give little benefit, but pose a danger, and the latter say that the benefit justifies these works. At the same time, it was noted that the United States banned such experiments, but the current studies that were already conducted with SARS were still completed after the ban was introduced.
        In both articles, nothing criminal is visible. I am sure our doctors are doing the same thing. And doctors of all countries where medicine is sufficiently developed are exploring possible new viruses of the future, I hope.

        There is no material for accusing anyone of intentionally creating and spreading the COVID virus in both articles.
    6. Harry.km
      Harry.km 23 March 2020 17: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Yes, of course it’s clear that America is to blame.


      Crossed surface protein SHC-014 with SARS virus, which was taken from the lungs of bats. The result was a chimeric mutant virus that was able to develop in the cells of the human body. Researchers have concluded that bat coronaviruses that can directly infect humans can be more common than previously thought. What is remarkable is where the scientists took the cell samples from. The scientific work was published in the journal Nature in November 2015. Its authors are 15 researchers, most of whom worked at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. They experimented with the creation of a hybrid of the coronavirus of a bat living in China. (C)
  2. Arlen
    Arlen 23 March 2020 05: 59 New
    +9
    In China, the coronavirus epidemic is on the decline, on the contrary, it is gaining momentum ... It is not clear where the outbreak occurred, in Wuhan, where the Chinese biological laboratory is located, or in the USA, where they hide their biological weapons tests ... Why did the epidemic begin in Europe after it started in China?
    1. Valery Valery
      Valery Valery 23 March 2020 06: 18 New
      11
      From China, as we are told by all the TV channels, all the latest dangerous flu have come out. The explanation is, allegedly, Chinese unsanitary conditions, the crowded population and the habit of eating all sorts of nasty things. But then why are these infections not born in India ?! Question!
      1. Arlen
        Arlen 23 March 2020 06: 24 New
        +6
        Quote: Valery Valery
        why aren't these infections born in India ?!

        I do not know. I'm trying to figure out where it started, in China or in the USA. If in China, then the spread of coronavirus is logical. If it’s in the USA, then the question is: why in Europe, where they communicate with the USA more often than with China, the epidemic began after China, and not after the USA?
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 23 March 2020 07: 54 New
          +7
          In the United States, the large Chinese diaspora, various numbers, cite 6-12 million. Many Chinese students. So the Chinese travel constantly.
      2. dzvero
        dzvero 23 March 2020 09: 16 New
        +5
        Possible answers:
        - in India, the level of medicine in terms of coverage is not the same as in China; totalitarian costs smile
        - In India, the mobility of the population as a whole is lower than in modern China;
        - India doesn’t really eat everything - coexistence with celiac infections has left its mark on the culture;
        Why did the picture of distribution in the world look like this? In my opinion, the question is related to the diagnosis of the disease. In the states they installed in the summer (wipers), but did not recognize (why - it is not clear). Then there was an outbreak in Wuhan. And much later (in early March), the CDC began to review all cases of SARS in November. And the arba rushed over the bumps ... while in third place, but confidently nominated as leaders in the diseased ...
        As for the virus - yesterday tihonmarine provided a link to a very good article - I recommend:

        https://vb.by/society/health/potehin_o_koronaviruse.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&utm_campaign=dbr
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 23 March 2020 13: 40 New
          0
          Thank you, Ivoread it! I, just a bit over 70, and our country already 30-35 years can not be called prosperous. But we won’t be scared, because, already hardened.
          1. dzvero
            dzvero 23 March 2020 15: 48 New
            +1
            Beware. You can only wish health to you and loved ones.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 23 March 2020 17: 01 New
              0
              Thank! Mutually! How many flu we have experienced, we will survive this one.
      3. Moon
        Moon 23 March 2020 13: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Valery Valery
        From China, as we are told by all the TV channels, all the latest dangerous flu have come out. The explanation is, allegedly, Chinese unsanitary conditions, the crowded population and the habit of eating all sorts of nasty things. But then why are these infections not born in India ?! Question!

        At all times (the plague, for example), China is more connected by trade relations with the world than India. The Great Silk Road.
        Yes, and the Indians have a lot of features — which allow them not to be the primary source. Starting with religion and a bunch of restrictions caste society.
    2. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 23 March 2020 06: 48 New
      +7
      The article does not consecrate the focus of the coronovirus in Italy. I am inclined to the fact that there were several foci of this infection.
      And from the tips ... It is necessary to increase the body's immunity. Human immunity is the best defense.

      By the way, excessive use of disinfectants reduces immunity.
      1. Arlen
        Arlen 23 March 2020 06: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        I am inclined to the fact that there were several foci of this infection.

        You think from two directions the coronavirus came to Italy, simultaneously from the USA and China?
      2. Fishery
        Fishery 23 March 2020 10: 10 New
        -1
        Italians have already expressed the opinion that too strong a reaction of imunka can also kill with this virus.
    3. bayard
      bayard 23 March 2020 08: 14 New
      +8
      Quote: Arlen
      It is not clear where the outbreak occurred.

      It is not clear where, what and how many such foci may still occur. Hundreds of American bacteriological military (!) Laboratories and centers are deployed around the world. And something is not heard that at least one such laboratory / center manifests itself in something in the struggle (?) With this strange pandemic. Well, nothing ... in practice, such laboratories did not prove to be positive. But there were many epidemics around them. We recall the infamous Georgian laboratories of the United States Army, similar laboratories in Africa ... recall the high-profile statements directly accused by the United States of our chief sanitary doctor (at that time) Gerashchenko. And Putin has repeatedly spoken about these laboratories. And he spoke directly.
      Let us recall the US Army tender for the supply of biomaterials of "Russian White Caucasians" for the work of such laboratories ... What is this if not work on selective biological weapons?
      And in Ukraine alone 15 such laboratories / centers work ... US Army!
      And in Kazakhstan!
      And in Georgia!
      And in Armenia!
      Yes, there are many more.
      And the fact that these centers are trying to somehow help the natives in this pandemic ... in general (!) Nothing is heard. They are made for another.
      They hit China. But will they want to dwell on this?
      After all, such money was spent on all this infrastructure.
      And not for the sake of selfless philanthropy.
      The gun hung from the first act, but now it is already shooting. And what ammunition this gun has, and what plans the “director” has ... only the director knows.
    4. m077ea
      m077ea 23 March 2020 08: 38 New
      +1
      and where did you get the idea that it originated in China earlier than everyone else? Do you communicate with people from America and Europe?
      An American in January wrote that she had been ill for a month with some kind of hellish flu for the new year. And this was so by the way, she wrote about a new job, about children, dogs, etc., and she explained the delay with the flu. And all this between the lines, no one pays attention. I got hooked on this phrase, because I was very ill in December.
      I didn’t have such a terrible state of health even with pneumonia. And these were just flu symptoms. I also didn’t get where from.
      Therefore - I do not believe amers
    5. Pathos
      Pathos 23 March 2020 10: 16 New
      +3
      Because all narrow-eyed people rushed around the world, including Europe, on the azure shores away from this plague when it started in Wuhan, well, it was brought in. An aunt in Spain lives grit only and Chinese mutilation was heard on the beaches and some narrow-film on the streets of resorts. Further more, Ukraine stated that it was a tolerant country and all those who were infected flew to Europe through Boryspil when the EU closed its borders. In America, the Chinese diasporas were initially primarily infected, and then a technical matter. Look Sharia for Ukraine, this virusnyak generally began to walk around Europe right after the new year, they just grabbed their heads now when they all got stuck. That is, all the fuss with the virus started back in the 19th year.
  3. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 March 2020 06: 02 New
    +6
    Victor! And your article and our "demonstration" speeches, based on speculation and conjecture, have nothing to do with the truth. We can express doubts, but this does not mean that the governments of the countries immediately publish their programs and developments in the field of bacteriological weapons. All of these drug discovery laboratories can play a role, like the loopback in the Kamenskaya series. No one will announce to us that at some stage the experiment got out of control (even during the experiments).
    According to the logic of things, the leaders of countries should pursue the interests of their own citizens, seeking “coexistence” with neighbors through agreements and mutual concessions. Accordingly, the direction of development of human civilization should be different. But in practice, the leadership of some countries solves their own problems through the genocide of other peoples and their enslavement by the imposition of their own rules. However, higher powers, which certainly exist, periodically show who is the boss on the planet, who are uninvited guests, and who are outright parasites.
    Another lesson for humanity has been taught (it does not even bother anyone that mass death of animals in our case with coronavirus is not observed).
    hi
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 23 March 2020 06: 24 New
      +7
      Quote: ROSS 42
      However, higher powers, which certainly exist, periodically show who is the boss on the planet.

      Here we vote for higher powers in the constitution and they coronavirus quickly slam. laughing
    2. maidan.izrailovich
      maidan.izrailovich 23 March 2020 06: 26 New
      +2
      However, higher powers, which certainly exist, periodically show who is the boss on the planet, who are uninvited guests, and who are outright parasites.

      Well, yes, well, yes ... Blame everything on "higher powers". And the hegemon is white and fluffy. And all over the world of his laboratories, the stump is clear, only for the good of the world. lol
      You are the devil's advocate.
  4. sen
    sen 23 March 2020 06: 16 New
    +2
    Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian in a public statement admitted that the U.S. military brought coronavirus to Wuhan during the international games in Wuhan, and cited the opinion of American expert Robert Redleaf, who said in the U.S. Congress that coronavirus is hiding behind many deaths from influenza in the U.S.

    There, there’s nothing to invite anyone to their international games.
  5. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 23 March 2020 06: 22 New
    +1
    ... they did a joint ....

    Alibi composed themselves. Justified.
    But our scientists, too, are not made with a finger. I hope to present evidence of the artificial origin of the virus.
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 23 March 2020 11: 02 New
      0
      Quote: maidan.izrailovich
      Alibi composed themselves. Justified.
      But our scientists, too, are not made with a finger. I hope to present evidence of the artificial origin of the virus.


      But the plague, smallpox, Spanish woman is the same ... also in your artificial origin? Our way decrypted the genome, it turned out to be of natural origin, the comment above laid out.
  6. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 23 March 2020 06: 37 New
    +2
    There is a clarification: "the snake ate the bat, and the snake, in turn, was caught and fried by a Chinese man, who then ate it under the snake of Baijiu in the company with his Italian friend, after which the latter left for his homeland ...
    Well, then you know.))))
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 March 2020 08: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      and in turn I caught the snake and fried Chinese

      Yes, yes, yes .. Have you tried to plant a chicken from a boiled egg? belay
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 March 2020 06: 38 New
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    The USA and England have grown together not only with their secret services, but also with virologists
    If the Anglo-Saxons in unison sang about the natural origin of the coronavirus, then it is worth "dancing" without stress from the opposite. It is not for nothing that Trump, at each of his speeches, focuses the attention of journalists with savory words "Chinese virus". What even irritated the journalists, one of whom directly asked if he was not a racist.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 23 March 2020 07: 43 New
      +2
      This is yes, if, they say, that is natural, it means ---- unnaturally, someone tried to grow and spread.
    2. Ivan Semenov
      Ivan Semenov 23 March 2020 11: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      If the Anglo-Saxons in unison sang about the natural origin of the coronavirus, then it is worth "dancing" without stress from the opposite.

      No options. Almost all significant events of recent history confirm this in one way or another. Moreover, they scorch regularly due to natural dullness (Zadornov even when it was noticed).
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 23 March 2020 06: 46 New
    +2
    Cognitive fact: the United States and England have grown together not only with their secret services, but also with virologists: they made a joint (why?) Statement that coronavirus is of natural origin, substantiating this with scientific comments on its proteins and the “basis”.

    Also a very revealing fact.
    The Englishwoman will crap, supported by arrogance, resources and the possibility of cousins.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 23 March 2020 07: 35 New
      +4
      Greetings, hi Victor!
      Quote: rocket757
      Cognitive fact: the United States and England have grown together not only with their secret services, but also with virologists: they made a joint (why?) Statement, .....
      ..... The Englishwoman will crap, supported by arrogance, resources and the possibility of cousins.
      they fused even earlier, when they wrote about white helmets, when for a whole year they procrastinated the topic of violins, .... yes, they fused with all slander against the Russian Federation.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 March 2020 07: 56 New
        +2
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        Quote: Reptiloid
        they have grown together earlier

        By and large, they have not been disengaged since the teeth and claws of a former colony!
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 23 March 2020 07: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          Hi Dmitry soldier By and large, they have not been disengaged since the teeth and claws of a former colony!

          Well, yes, they could not keep the former colony, they decided to make friends.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 March 2020 08: 00 New
            +1
            It was also useful for the striped ones ... rubbing their elbows in the old world with the "luminaries" of gay-European politics, they will also learn ...
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 23 March 2020 08: 11 New
              +1
              We were looking for options on how to get into European deoa for our own benefit
              Quote: rocket757
              It was also useful for the striped ones ... rubbing their elbows in the old world with the "luminaries" of gay-European politics, they will also learn ...
  9. nikvic46
    nikvic46 23 March 2020 06: 51 New
    +1
    Now they’ve spent hours watching this topic on television. A lot of recommendations have appeared, and each of them contradicts the previous one. People are wearing white protective suits in the pictures. And they will definitely appear in fashion. In stores where there was not even beer before, fortified drinks appeared. Some write that it is a natural selection. In general, as Jerich said, let them sing until we lose our minds.
  10. Ali Kokand
    Ali Kokand 23 March 2020 07: 24 New
    +1
    As for India: mainly Muslims live there (175 million) and Buddhists, etc. The diet of Muslims is prescribed by Sharia, and Buddhists Indians, unlike the Chinese, are not omnivorous. Some do not eat beef and generally vegetarians. And they all love spicy food. But as for the difference from China, this came to mind first .. as far as I know, Indians are very conservative with regard to food. And the hot climate requires its own specifics. IMHO.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 23 March 2020 09: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Ali Kokand
      As for India: mostly Muslims live there (175 million)

      And I thought that in Pakistan. But you have expanded my horizons! fellow laughing
  11. Alex_59
    Alex_59 23 March 2020 07: 31 New
    0
    Meanwhile, coronavirus has already begun to mutate like normal flu, and this can have big consequences.
    Is there a link to a scientific fact?
    (Repeated illnesses in people who have just recovered are noted.)
    Also need a link. So far, those cases where re-infection was supposed to speak more about the inaccuracy of the diagnosis than about the lack of immunity after the disease.
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 23 March 2020 09: 34 New
      +2
      Scientific fact - reduction in mortality. At the very beginning, the mortality rate was about 35-40% (the ratio of deaths to those who recovered). Now about 3,5 - 7%. Typical pattern of adaptation of a virus to a new host. In human terms: it is "unprofitable" for a virus to kill an infected person, because it loses resources for its reproduction. It is much more "profitable" to go into a chronic asymptomatic infection with minimal impact on the existence of the host organism. An example from history is syphilis. For Europeans in the XNUMXth century, infection was almost guaranteed to be fatal. By the XNUMXth century, the bacterium had adapted and the infection was already rather chronic, although there was no cure (we do not consider such treatment with mercury). They died, of course, but much later.
      Your second question - yes, most likely a failure in the diagnosis (let's hope). And single episodes are not an indicator, but rather an indicator of opportunity. Now, if such patients appear en masse, then ........
      1. Operator
        Operator 23 March 2020 09: 43 New
        0
        Syphilis is caused by bacteria (unicellular microorganisms), and not viruses (protein bodies that multiply only inside foreign cells) - in the latter, the carrier of the genetic code is easily mutated RNA, and not stable DNA like bacteria.
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 23 March 2020 09: 52 New
          +1
          Yes, I know it's a bacterium, but the "principle of transition" from an acute (lethal) to a chronic form is the same. And the example is clear and well-known. The herpes virus can be cited as an example. As long as the body is healthy, the virus does not manifest itself. Cost the body to weaken (stress, starvation, illness) - the virus is right there, begins to actively multiply, "hoping" to infect another healthy carrier.
          In addition, not all viruses and bacteriophages (the same viruses that specialized in bacteria) are RNA-based smile
          1. Operator
            Operator 23 March 2020 09: 59 New
            +2
            I spoke exclusively about the ability to mutate bacteria (self-sufficient microorganisms) and viruses (parasitic protein bodies).

            RNA of viruses consists of one gene chain, therefore it is easily modified. The DNA of bacteria consists of two chains of genes that "repair" each other during cell division, thereby avoiding mutations.
            1. dzvero
              dzvero 23 March 2020 10: 06 New
              +2
              I agree. Just tried to explain more clearly for most members of the forum. Below from the same series.
              In RNA viruses, genomic RNA replication is carried out by RNA polymerase, whose accuracy is two to three orders of magnitude lower than that of DNA polymerases. By the way, this is also the reason for the relatively rapid mutation of the HIV virus (although two "imprecise" enzymes are involved there - reverse transcriptase and cellular RNA polymerase 2).
      2. Alex_59
        Alex_59 23 March 2020 09: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: dzvero
        A typical picture of the adaptation of the virus to a new host.

        A typical picture is that the homosapiens have realized that they have realized what’s going on and they have established a more extensive diagnosis, as a result of which it turned out that there are much more cases than previously thought. As a result of the growth of the dividend (number of cases) while maintaining the divisor (number of deaths), the percentage mortality rate became more similar to the real one. Moreover, I assume that doctors still do not know hundreds, if not thousands, of people who transferred this virus in a mild form and did not get into statistics, so mortality is even lower than even now.
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 23 March 2020 09: 59 New
          +1
          And this is also true, but nevertheless, a decrease in mortality is evident. By the way, if we assume that mortality is at the level of ordinary flu, then the number of people infected in Italy, for example, should be somewhere at the level of a third of the population.
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 23 March 2020 10: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: dzvero
            By the way, if we assume that mortality is at the level of ordinary flu, then the number of people infected in Italy, for example, should be somewhere at the level of a third of the population.

            There is a joke on the Internet.
            "if you were a coronovirus, which country would you infect first?
            a) where people at a meeting respectfully bow to each other
            b) where people shake hands when meeting
            c) where people at a meeting hug each other, kiss the air on the right cheek, then kiss the air on the left cheek, then again on the right cheek, then Mario, dear, like your wife ?, kiss a couple of times!
            "
            1. dzvero
              dzvero 23 March 2020 10: 12 New
              +2
              smile
              from the same series:
              if you need 144 rolls of toilet paper for a week, then you should not think about coronavirus
      3. Moon
        Moon 23 March 2020 13: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: dzvero
        An example from history - syphilized. For Europeans of the XNUMXth century, the infection was almost guaranteed fatal. By the XNUMXth century, the bacterium had adapted and the infection was already more likely chronic, although there was no treatment (we do not consider such treatment as mercury). Died, of course, but much later.

        By the way, the syphilis epidemic is kind of like this pandemic
        She changed society and twisted nuts of morality.
        All these prohibitions on contacts with others, strangers, moral restrictions in sex ..
        All this fell into a society free from prejudice, with an intimate primate corruption for sex. (And we are hypersexual creatures of all existing)
        And led to a ban in this thread to everything.
        At the moment, despite the fact that everyone knows about personal hygiene (which saved our civilization from much), everyone still learns to wash their hands as often as possible and added antiseptics and masks.
  12. Maks1995
    Maks1995 23 March 2020 09: 08 New
    0
    Something did not meet similar statement from Chinese, Russian virologists (about Amerov origin of the virus)
    Something slurred said an official from China and our media.

    On the contrary, Russian specials speak Chinese. A familiar specialist supports them.

    It is clear that Omerika is always to blame (not to blame Navalny), the main thing is that they do not crawl out onto the streets from a virtual trench and vote correctly ... and even vote ....
    1. Ren
      Ren 23 March 2020 10: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Max1995
      Something did not meet similar statement from Chinese, Russian virologists (about Amerov origin of the virus)

      It reads:
      https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787
      And this is a publication about the breakthrough of a group of American scientists in creating an artificial virus from a bat with adaptation to humans (scientific journal NATURE for 2015) - https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 23 March 2020 11: 02 New
        +1
        I read this.
        The problem is that such studies are almost always carried out to obtain medicines and knowledge.
        in the article it is just described.

        And relates, or not, is unclear. Those found are simply registered and assigned a number - 14,15,16, etc.
        And then, not that - it is unclear. Hardly in Nature Medicine would print about developing a real war virus.

        There, a Chinese man admitted that some research was conducted in Wuhan. Americans could well share their development with the Chinese, they need the benefit. The benefit of cooperation in virology is highly developed, and the Chinese simply could buy / exchange developments.

        A familiar specialist also claims that on artificial virus-developments, and special substances, markers for recognition are always always left. And here is silence.

        So while I believe our Virologists more. I met the explanations of the pros, why and how not artificial (looked casually, alas)
  13. Operator
    Operator 23 March 2020 09: 17 New
    0
    The first coronavirus infection was recorded in Wuhan in November 2019. But the Chinese reported the epidemic only in January 2020, and began to quarantine Wuhan and other provinces of China only in February 2020.

    In more than two months, the coronavirus has spread around the world along with millions of Chinese tourists. This is the direct fault of China, which he indirectly admitted by bringing to formal responsibility the administrative and medical authorities of Wuhan, who "hid information about the coronavirus."

    Actually, the top leadership of China is to blame, who was informed in time of a new epidemic, but which gave the command not to publicly report it and not to take any quarantine measures in the hope that it would resolve itself.

    PS Coronavirus is a Chinese biological weapon developed at the Wuhan Army Laboratory based on SARS virus and penetrated as a result of a man-made accident. The US military participated in the development of the coronavirus through the Canadian gasket.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 23 March 2020 09: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: Operator
      PS Coronavirus is a Chinese biological weapon developed at the Wuhan Army Laboratory based on SARS virus and penetrated as a result of a man-made accident. The US military participated in the development of coronavirus through the Canadian laying

      The operator knows! laughing Especially about the Canadian gasket went ... good
    2. Ren
      Ren 23 March 2020 10: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Operator
      Coronavirus is a Chinese biological weapon developed in an army laboratory

      https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
      hi
      1. Operator
        Operator 23 March 2020 10: 14 New
        -2
        An article from a British magazine says that such a virus was synthesized and patented in the United States back in 2015 - it is quite possible, but we must wait for the comments of biologists from other countries regarding the coincidence of the genome of the American synthetic virus and COVID-19.

        Even if the genome coincides, this does not in any way replace the leakage site of the coronavirus - the PLA biological laboratory in Wuhan. Until recently, the Chinese and Americans carried out joint research in the field of biological weapons.
        1. Ren
          Ren 23 March 2020 10: 32 New
          +1
          One of the co-authors (virus developers) of this scientific publication (publication in a scientific journal):
          Zhengli-li shi
          Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, China Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China
          Zhengli-Li Shi. Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China.
          This development was carried out in the laboratory and by a team of specialists (under the leadership) of the Department of Epidemiology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA with the involvement of specialists, including from Wuhan.
        2. Alex_59
          Alex_59 23 March 2020 11: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Operator
          Even if the genome coincides, this does not in any way replace the leakage site of the coronavirus - the PLA biological laboratory in Wuhan.

          You are probably one of those who believe that the outbreak of anthrax in Sverdlovsk in 1979 was the result of a leak from Sverdlovsk-19? laughing
          1. Operator
            Operator 23 March 2020 11: 39 New
            -3
            See Ren's commentary - the 2015 coronavirus was synthesized as a result of collaboration between the Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Department of Epidemiology University of North Carolina USA (Department of Epidemiology, University of North Carolina, USA).

            According to a recent article in the British journal Nature, one of the co-authors of which is Zhengli-Li Shi, who participated in the synthesis of the 2015 coronavirus, COVID-19 is its analogue.

            What does the outbreak of anthrax in Sverdlovsk in 1979 have to do with it?
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 23 March 2020 12: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Operator
              What does the outbreak of anthrax in Sverdlovsk in 1979 have to do with it?

              Well, some of these labs are unreliable, right? Either anthrax will fall out of them, then coronovirus.
  14. Tank hard
    Tank hard 23 March 2020 09: 30 New
    +3
    Expert comments on the article - deliver! laughing
  15. sleeve
    sleeve 23 March 2020 09: 39 New
    +2
    Do not please re-sick. And this virus has not yet mutated properly. Yeah. Everything is sadder ...
  16. sen
    sen 23 March 2020 09: 49 New
    +3
    Coronavirus shows who is who.
    The Italians accused the Czechs of stealing medical masks, which the Chinese sent to them as humanitarian aid. According to Italian journalists, their country has lost 680 thousand masks and thousands of respirators.
    The Czech researcher Lucas Lev Chervinka helped to find out the truth. He told la Repubblica that his country's police deliberately confused humanitarian supplies with items intended for illegal sale. The expert released a photo of the boxes confiscated by the Czechs with medical masks and respirators. The pictures show boxes with labels saying that China sent this cargo to Italy. According to journalists, the Czech Ministry of Health for three days could not recognize the fact that it appropriated humanitarian aid.
    https://utro.ru/life/2020/03/22/1439460.shtml
    And, by the way, Russia also sent a batch of masks to Russia.
  17. restless
    restless 23 March 2020 10: 09 New
    0
    Now it’s clear why in the USA they prepared so many plastic coffins ...
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 23 March 2020 14: 24 New
      0
      Coffin reserves for any scenario - a social explosion, civil or world war, volcanic eruption.
  18. Quasipatriot
    Quasipatriot 23 March 2020 10: 10 New
    0
    As the Russian popularizer of science Ilya Kolmanovsky said, - "Serious world scientists have 3 laboratories. The first is in the USA for good deeds (for government grants, for the fundamental development of science, and the creation of something useful), the second is in the USA for not good deeds. (with the money of private investors, and in their interests), and the third - in China for evil deeds, because their legislation is much softer. " The quote is not literal, but conveyed the meaning correctly. It is also known that in Wuhan there is a large Institute of Virology, which studies viruses, incl. the most dangerous. So I would not be surprised that this coronavirus was developed there, moreover, it mows mostly old people, and hardly touches children and youth. But in the end we suffer - ordinary Russian people, tk. world production declined, less oil was bought, the price per barrel fell, and the ruble collapsed against the dollar. Now all imports will rise in price, both gasoline (it always rises in price here) and food in stores. We have stability. Thanks to the working king-father for the 20 year old "getting off the oil needle"!
  19. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 23 March 2020 12: 24 New
    +2
    To understand the situation, read the book by M. Crichton "The Andromeda Strain". Or watch the movie of the same name.
  20. Operator
    Operator 23 March 2020 12: 37 New
    -3
    Quote: Alex_59
    unreliable some of these laboratories

    You know better laughing
  21. Shahno
    Shahno 23 March 2020 16: 00 New
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    Quote: sleeve
    A somewhat private view of biological warfare. You very correctly touched upon the aspects of explicit bacteriological weapons and their use. But this is already an open application. The virus plays a long and fairly high quality. Remember HIV, because it was creatively created for a certain age category. But something went wrong and that’s it. Naturally viral dances will continue. And this nonsense will periodically break out into the world. Besides, who said that this is not a supranational project? A kind of universal scale of Nazism mowing down the elderly and the sick. Moreover, how beautifully he blows steam from the global economy. The crisis is not from the system, but from a pandemic. The authors of the project will be cynical and brilliant people in nature. Buried alive.

    The world sometimes needs to be updated. ...
    Cynical and ingenious, yes. The revolutionaries.
    This is so that people do not fall asleep
    Ps. Update. And you bury everyone here. Democracy, globalization.
    Ok, we’ll bury, but offer better, so that they can follow you ..
  22. Vadim237
    Vadim237 23 March 2020 16: 13 New
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    Apparently, the May 9 parade on Red Square this year will be accepted only by Putin and Shoigu, and all marching servicemen will be in military respirators.
  23. Ural resident
    Ural resident 23 March 2020 16: 31 New
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    We got the disease only thanks to vacationers who wanted to put in all the quarantines and others. From January it was clear that this would not be limited to China alone, then it was necessary to take control of all the visitors. As for immunity - here, it seems, virologists say that other similar viruses are not killed by the immune system, but enter into symbiosis, as a result, the virus supposedly lives in the cell, only mutates accordingly and does not harm the body. That is, "adapted" organisms do not get sick, but are carriers. And in general it is not clear what "cured" people mean? Have they completely destroyed the virus or have they adapted and it does not harm them? In this case, for others, they are just as dangerous as the "infected". In general, apparently this is for a long time, you will have to get used to it as well as to the previous "pork" and "bird" ones.
  24. Operator
    Operator 23 March 2020 18: 00 New
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    Crossed surface protein SHC-014 with SARS virus, which was taken from the lungs of bats

    SARS coronavirus, which causes SARS (mortality from 9 to 50%), originated in southern China (which hid the epidemic for several months) and spread in Southeast Asia in 2002-2003, so it’s quite possible that under the guise of bats the Chinese and Americans were developing a new type of biological weapon.
  25. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 23 March 2020 19: 09 New
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    The question remained open. Will X appear or not?
  26. ALEKSEY
    ALEKSEY 23 March 2020 23: 34 New
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    The information war is ahead of the bacteriological one. Even in interesting articles with attempts, and very deep ones, to deal with the near-viral situation, information viruses are caught (sorry for the tautology).
    Someone can now say, for example, who, when, on what examples and under what circumstances stated that the virus can be infected / re-infected? But nobody already remembers this, but everyone “understands” that re-infection is possible.
  27. Dog
    Dog 27 March 2020 07: 46 New
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    Only other virologists can comment on such findings, and they will definitely do it.

    There was a good article in the news (I can't find it quickly) on this topic with links to scientific publications of people (China and the USA) who were creating an identical (at least) coronavirus. The point is that a group of scientists from the United States and China (laboratory in Wuhan) took a naturally occurring virus that is not dangerous to humans and edited it using genetic engineering methods, as a result of which, as they themselves openly write in their scientific articles, it became for a person is dangerous. Such an origin of the virus, according to experts, does not allow us to identify it as artificially created, because they made it from a “wild” natural virus, changing something at the genetic level (in other words, artificially accelerating its natural evolution in the chosen direction), so comments From the point of view of science, the United States and England are deprived of any meaning about the natural origin of the virus - it is extremely difficult (or even impossible), with the method of creating viruses described above, to distinguish a natural virus from an artificial one.