Ukrainian Navy found its landing craft superior to Russian BDK

The Ukrainian centaur assault boats are significantly superior to the Russian large landing ships (BDKs). This statement was made by the representative of the Naval Forces of Ukraine. A report on the Centaur Trials was released on the Breeze Channel.

On the eve of the Black Sea, exercises were held with the participation of three BDK Black Sea Fleet: “Saratov”, “Novocherkassk” and “Caesar Kunikov”. During the maneuvers, the ships practiced firing from artillery mounts at coastal targets, and also worked out coherence in repelling the air attack of a conditional enemy. In response, the Navy brought two Centaur boats at sea, which in stormy weather tried to fire from NURS S-8 units digested from helicopters, the tests were not entirely successful.

According to the head of the shipbuilding department of the Ukrainian Navy Vasyl Radchuk according to the test results, "you need to refine the mathematics and system." However, such results did not prevent him from declaring that Ukrainian centaur boats significantly surpass Russian BDKs and are capable of even resisting the Black Sea Armada of Russia in small numbers.

Thanks to water cannons, armored landing assault boats armed with 40 missiles each are capable of reaching speeds of up to 30 knots. After firing near and far volleys, quickly approach the shore and put forward an assault group of up to 36 people. Such characteristics are completely satisfied with the command of the Navy, and, most importantly, are a worthy answer to the obsolete BDK of the Black Sea fleet RF, which have long exhausted their resources

- the Ukrainian media quote the words of Radchuk.

Note that currently the Ukrainian Navy has three boats of the Centaur type: two are being tested and one is being completed. Despite laudatory material periodically published in the Ukrainian media, Ukrainian military experts criticize the design of the boat and build quality.

The workmanship is very low, there are a lot of constructive issues, as it turned out already in practice ... something does not work with something, something does not hit, and questions, questions, questions

- said the head of the military center Taras Chmut.

Comments

[Theodore]

Oh well ! God bless this calf, in the forest of a wolf catch .....

[Coconut]

Well, they returned their troughs of current to them and they are again in battle ...?

[sabakina]

Quote: Coco

Well, they returned their troughs of current to them and they are again in battle ...?

And the eternal battle. They only dream of peace ...

[Lelek]

Quote: sabakina

And the eternal battle.

, Vyacheslav.
This boast, I think so, is announced specifically on the eve of Victory Day. The statements of the "Radchuk" and "Chubarovites" coincided too much with their march to the Crimea. IMHO, we must not be led to these "applications", it is critical to observe, but it hurts to beat.

[Looking for]

ONLY NOT "BATTLE" BUT "WAY"

[siberalt]

It remains to arm the Ukrainian boats with their own mortars "Hammer" and they will not be worth the price!

[hydrox]

Why arm them?
In order to bring a crew of men to the meadows at a water cannon for cutting reeds to cover the hats, mortars are not needed, only longboats are needed for loading the chopped reeds!

[major147]

Quote: siberalt

It remains to arm the Ukrainian boats with their own mortars "Hammer"

They would have wisdom and memory ... They would have recalled the fate of their Georgian counterparts trying to attack the Black Sea squadron in 2008.

RTO Mirage from a distance of 25 km launched 2 Malachite cruise missiles on a Combatant-2 missile boat. As a result of the hit of both missiles, the boat quickly sank (it disappeared from the radar screen after a large short-term exposure left by the target’s explosion). The drowning of the boat is known only from the report of Russian sailors, the place of the alleged target hit was not examined.
The remaining 4 Georgian boats turned back, but at 18.50 one of them again went on rapprochement with the ships of the Black Sea Fleet. MRK Mirage from a distance of 15 km fired a missile at it from the Osa-M air defense system. After the missile hit the side of the Yaroslavts type DHK-82 boat, it lost speed and left the line of fire, and after removing the crew, the other boat burned out and sank. According to other sources, it was a Tbilisi missile boat (tail number 302), armed with two P-15 Termite missiles.

[sabakina]

Quote: major147

They would have wisdom and memory ... They would have recalled the fate of their Georgian counterparts trying to attack the Black Sea squadron in 2008.

It was a business ...

[venik]

Quote: major147

According to other sources, it was a Tbilisi missile boat (tail number 302), armed with two P-15 Termite missiles.

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Definitely not "Tbilisi"! RC "Tbilisi" was burned by special forces soldiers, right next to the mooring wall in Poti, where it was stuck out, thrown by the crew;

Either the hydrographic boat "Gantiadi" or the patrol boat "Giorgi Toreli" was sunk at sea. In any case, it was not the RC "Dioscuria" (of the type "Combatant-2" donated by Greece), since it was also sunk right at the pier in Poti:

[EXPrompt]

Quote: siberalt

It remains to arm the Ukrainian boats with their own mortars "Hammer" and they will not be worth the price!

How finely you pricked them)))
But you are not right at the root, it will not be a full-fledged wunderwafer.

It is necessary to recommend Khokhlov for each boat at the factory to fasten 2 latches in advance.
The first, as you know, is a Russian soprut, and on the second, at the very beginning of the battle, the captain will sit down and issue orders.
This is the guarantee of victory, and proper planning of military operations for the heroes of the VSMU.

[Berkut752]

If they also arm them with cannons with cores. then of course to us Khan ....................

[Thrifty]

Theodore - nothing tasty will come of such a "calf", only the wolves will waste their time on fishing. ...

[Insurgent]

Ukrainian Navy found its landing craft superior to Russian BDK

"The Great Armada". Tremble, ahreSor!

[venik]

Quote: Insurgent

Ukrainian Navy found its landing craft superior to Russian BDK

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Well yes! Exceed! And in speed and especially in .... "drowning"! ( ). I still cannot understand these BDLs (Large Landing Boats), is one 76-mm projectile enough to "blow bubbles"? Or do you have to spend two?
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Quote: Insurgent

"The Great Armada". Tremble, ahreSor!

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She is also "Invincible Armada", "Invincible Armada" and "Elusive Armada" (like that cowboy Elusive Joe from the "bearded" joke, which is not "Elusive" because no one can catch him, but simply because he figs are not needed to run after him!) ....
PS That's really true: Boasting is irrepressible and not less irrepressible ambition - it seems to be an integral part of "hohlomentality" ......

[Finches]

And yesterday Jews from Israel tried to convince me here that Ukraine is a state ... "A vulgar operetta!", And then, this is Bulgakov's complement!

[Pereira]

I sometimes convince them that Palestine is a state. The reaction is just the opposite.

[Finches]

God's chosen people, what do you want from them ...

Two Jews - father and son - decided to move from the Jewish faith to
Orthodox. They argued to whom the first font to take. Young
says:
- If you, father, catch a cold and die you do not care: lived, and
I'm young, after all.
“Here you go, you are healthier,” says the father.
They argued for a long time. Finally cast lots and had to go
to the first old man. I went. They baptized him there in the Orthodox faith.
It turns out he squeezes his beard.
- Well, how is it? - the son asks.
- You don’t ask me how, you better tell me, Jew is a fool,
why did you crucify Christ?

[Pereira]

Morning starts fun.
I wanted to share a joke, but censorship did not miss.
Only the ending.
- ..... just a couple of hours, like a Russian, but I already hate you Jews !!! [

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: Pereira

Morning starts fun.
I wanted to share a joke, but censorship did not miss.
Only the ending.
- ..... just a couple of hours, like a Russian, but I already hate you Jews !!! [

I, too, have fun as I can, a couple of days ago they deleted my comment with the phrase "chingachgooks from Nusra". Apparently they decided that chingachgooks are youth slang mat ...

[atalef]

Quote: Finches

yesterday, Jews from Israel tried to convince me here that Ukraine is a state ...

Quote: Pereira

I sometimes convince them that Palestine is a state.

Dad - d e b and l with a moron son:
- Go to the store and buy two things: cottage cheese and sour cream.
The son comes back with a club. Father:
- I said "two things", where is the puck?

[Pereira]

Yes Yes. That’s what happened every time. And every time I have fun.

[atalef]

Quote: Pereira

Yes Yes. That’s what happened every time. And every time I have fun.

but you see what should have been proved.
You don’t understand the meaning of the joke.

[Pereira]

I understood perfectly. Only a joke is not the topic. It is the attempts to divert the conversation towards me that always amuse me. Like now.

[Finches]

No constructivism once again and double standards! Start to answer me - do not be rude, I do not like this!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Finches

And yesterday Jews from Israel tried to convince me here that Ukraine is a state ... "A vulgar operetta!", And then, this is Bulgakov's complement!

Quote: Pereira

I sometimes convince them that Palestine is a state. The reaction is just the opposite.

Double Israeli standards.

Concerning the present outskirts, the enormous people of the promised land have forgotten who led their ancestors to Babi Yar.

In fact, denial of the Holocaust, for which Israel is a prison, without delay. It is here, on the "territory" of the Military Review, they feel safe, but declare something justifiable about the Bandera people at home ...
Sawing, they certainly do not, but they would sit long and tedious.

[atalef]

Quote: Insurgent

Concerning the present outskirts, the enormous people of the promised land have forgotten who led their ancestors to Babi Yar.

we remember who led to Babi Yar and remember who fought against the Nazis.
We all remember and do not interfere with meat and dairy.

Quote: Insurgent

In fact, denial of the Holocaust, for which Israel is a prison, without delay. It is here, on the "territory" of the Military Review, they feel safe

do not distort and crawl out of your parallel universe.
If I say that there’s not a lot of Ukrainian citizens who are Natsik and of course this is not state policy - this does not mean that I deny the Holocaust.

Quote: Insurgent

, and say something justifiable about Bandera at home ...

where does Bandera and all the citizens of Ukraine?
If anyone had said. that all citizens of Ukraine, the Nazis and Bandera-would have sat down to incite ethnic hatred.
But you don’t understand this.

[Insurgent]

Quote: atalef

we remember who led to Babi Yar and remember who fought against the Nazis

It rushed up, the protovirus mouse ... The hat burned, it burned.

atalef , the first, from among those who do not see (deny the existence) of Nazism (radical nationalism) in the territory of U.

[Insurgent]

Quote: atalef

Notes

On the "YOU", I turn to either relatives or unpleasant personalities.
I do not see you among people close to me in something.

[Rakovor]

Is this "not the policy of the state" ?. What are you talking about, did you collapse from your Jewish oak? And streets and avenues in honor of Bandera and Shukhevych are probably privately renamed, without the participation of the state?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Rakovor

What are you talking about, uncle, from your Jewish oak tree?

Apparently not collapsed. Just upbringing, such a mentality, creepy.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

"If I say that not many of the citizens of Ukraine are Nazis and of course this is not the policy of the state, it does not mean that I deny the Holocaust."
Is this not state policy? Are you sure you are talking about Ukraine ???
And I remind you, dear, that in Germany not all people were Natsik, but an obedient and energetic mass, with the tacit consent of which all the terrible crimes were committed!

[venik]

Quote: Theodore

Oh well ! God bless this calf, in the forest of a wolf catch .....

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Ah Pug! To know she is strong .......

[TermNachTer]

Why not compare with mattress UDC like "America"? Also a worthy opponent.

[Moore]

The Ukrainian centaur assault boats are significantly superior to the Russian large landing ships (BDKs). This statement was made by the representative of the Naval Forces of Ukraine. A report on the Centaur Trials was released on the Breeze Channel.

It would be strange to expect something different from the courageous captors of the Practical Harbor.

[Thrifty]

So they are from a tugboat and an aircraft carrier! Their minister is cool, they hardly own a mova! Interfering Russian and distorted-Russian (they are also Ukrainian-Russian) words mumbled something awkward ...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Thrifty

So they are from a tugboat and an aircraft carrier

They have each motorboat - a corvette, and each boat - a battleship ... And it doesn’t matter what to go on, the main thing is SPIRIT!

[Bacha]

So they are from a tugboat and an aircraft carrier!

Judging by the Priluki boat, they are more likely to get a tug out of an aircraft carrier, give them an aircraft carrier)))

[unhappy]

This is not a sailing-rowing fleet, it is a modern fleet. Already 3 motor boats with 36 Cossacks each.
As the famous character said - "a pitiful sight."

[Bacha]

Chihuahua, this is a breed of wolfhound. The wolf sees such a wolfhound and chokes with laughter!)))

[bessmertniy]

the results did not prevent him from declaring that the Ukrainian boats of the Centaur type are significantly superior to the Russian large landing ships and are capable of resisting the "Black Sea armada of Russia" even in small numbers.

It is curious how long the Centaurs can withstand the Russian Black Sea Fleet? About twenty minutes or half an hour? Georgian boats also tried to resist. But "the music did not last long."

[hydrox]

Today, this minx covers itself from the first salvo without sighting, all the time it will go to catch kozakiv from the water (not everyone can swim)

[bessmertniy]

Yes, to save people after they do stupid things and the boats drown, this is important. Moreover, Ukrainian sailors are also, in general, Russian people , but lost, marginalized, processed by Bandera propaganda.

[Tusv]

Quote: bessmertniy

It is curious how long the Centaurs can withstand the Russian Black Sea Fleet?

Purely hypothetically, with a sheathed weapon. Yes, any number. In my bravura speech, this detail was silent

[tlauicol]

Ukrainian withers would better buy "Spikes", otherwise they are tormented by foolishness. Or is there no gold reserve?

[donavi49]

Money was saved obviously. Just Spikes or something like that, they would have gone much better than the NAR units found in the warehouses.

[Charik]

Yeah-motorboat with a block of bunks -power

[aszzz888]

Ukrainian amphibious assault boats of the Centaur type are significantly superior to Russian large amphibious assault ships (BDK).

Why didn’t they compare the arba with the jeep ?!

[Peter is not the first]

Yes, you must always choose correctly what to compare with. But the Ukrainians in the article also have the truth that our large landing ships are "outdated", and this is a reason for us to think about development and renewal.

[Amateur]

And so it can be modified

[IL-64]

NURS blocks from helicopters? And how do they want to get somewhere from a small platform when onboard and pitching, albeit small, pitching?

[Insurgent]

Quote: IL-64

NURS blocks from helicopters? And how do they want to get somewhere from a small platform when onboard and pitching, albeit small, pitching?

A "finger in the sky", tse hiba not hitting?

[donavi49]

The video shows correction and stabilization. Another thing is that it is necessary to refine. This is what they say in the video again.

On the other hand, on the whole, throwing back along the coast at full speed is enough for the spirits-race of the defenders and for the landing. This is an option that other boats of this class do not have (Raptor, BK-16, BK-18, Kombatbot90 - in the landing versions).

[tlauicol]

a combat boat with a machine gun will do a hundred times more than this pepelats

[Avior]

a combat boat with a machine gun will do a hundred times more than this pepelats

to remove nurses from helicopters and attack aircraft, to put machine guns in return?
interesting approach .....

[tlauicol]

Quote: Avior

a combat boat with a machine gun will do a hundred times more than this pepelats

to remove nurses from helicopters and attack aircraft, to put machine guns in return?
interesting approach .....

Nifiga you read between the lines! Even through the page

[Cowbra]

For sabotage - it is better, because the smaller the BDK, respectively, is less noticeable. Only for sabotage in this vein, Kazanka is the best

[donavi49]

Well, this is the Raptor, which was fed very much. Rather, dad-grandfather they have one Combatbot90.

[Mwg]

Well, that’s how Ukrainian boats, which are not the best, can’t go along the Black Sea dug by ancient Ukrainians!

[Insurgent]

Quote: MVG

Well, so Ukrainian boats can’t walk along the Black Sea dug by ancient Ukrainians

Digging, digging Ukrainians themselves sea, and dug the Russian ...

[Mwg]

They probably were in hiring)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Two admirals per ship .. This fleet is invincible! So anything can be ...

[cniza]

The Ukrainian centaur assault boats are significantly superior to the Russian large landing ships (BDKs). This statement was made by the representative of the Naval Forces of Ukraine. A report on the Centaur Trials was released on the Breeze Channel.

So good, sleep already, you defeated us ...

[Andrey Mikhaylov]

I don’t even know how to comment, probably one word clinic

[Aliken]

As many as three boats? Yes, this is already a "peremoga" over the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, even now they are hanging medals for themselves, KVN specialists.

[axiles100682]

Not a sailor, but judging by the video, the boat seems to have pretty good running characteristics. Speed, maneuverability. Well, NURS from a helicopter is of course a "masterpiece" notion.

[tlauicol]

as old as the world. Abkhazia

[axiles100682]

Thanks did not know. And what is the effectiveness?

[tlauicol]

I can only assume - near-zero.

[axiles100682]

I believe that it’s not the NURS itself, but the control, aiming and stabilization systems. Nevertheless, they are fixed on the helicopters and the helicopter is not subject to pitching. In general, it’s not a problem to install the NURS on the boat, the problem is to achieve acceptable results from it in hitting the target

[Victorio]

armed with 40 missiles each
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hit accuracy

[donavi49]

Well, the accuracy of any MLRS hit is awful, the BDK does not hit much more accurately. Therefore, they are not on the new BDKs and expeditionaries.

Another thing is that 40 missiles and caliber are not like a man’s. In general, yes.

On the other hand, this Centaur is in the Raptor class. Actually, he grew up from Combatbot90 in the largest possible building, without altering the fundamental architecture. The Raptor only has a machine gun.

[Victorio]

Quote: donavi49

Well, the accuracy of any MLRS hit is awful, BDK doesn’t beat much more accurately. Therefore, they are not on the new BDKs and expeditionaries.

Another thing is that 40 missiles and caliber are not like a man’s. In general, yes.

On the other hand, this Centaur is in the Raptor class. Actually, he grew up from Combatbot90 in the largest possible building, without altering the fundamental architecture. The Raptor only has a machine gun.

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I do not agree, the size matters, what is excitement for the BDK. for a boat - pitching.

[Avior]

for this there is a stable platform

[Victorio]

Quote: Avior

for this there is a stable platform

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what platform is there, such a boat throws like a sliver even with slight excitement

[Avior]

Stable platform
Compensates for pitching

[Victorio]

Quote: Avior

Stable platform
Compensates for pitching

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with your stupid stubbornness you confirm the conventional wisdom about the stubbornness of Ukrainians. go out into the sea on such a boat once, even if there is little excitement

[svp67]

"We would give them if they caught up with us ..." - the Ukrainian media quoted Radchuk as saying.

[shinobi]

Halopiredol sick, again raving violent.

[ltc22A]

They finally learned to look through binoculars from the other side.

[Moon]

a set of torn phrases in order to amuse great-power chauvinism.
A common thing in articles about Ukraine.
And beyond the forest, trees are not visible.
There is a grain of truth in quotations.
But cheers to the patriots once ... the main word Ukraine calls on them to turn off the brain.

[EXPrompt]

Where did you see "great-power chauvinism"?
And you do not admit one simple thing that all "great powers" simply love HUMOR and laugh in the morning, and over the Ukrainians and their attempts in different areas (in this case, the military-industrial complex), it is simply a sin for a smart person not to laugh at them, they constantly generate the best jokes in the world.
This is a powerful solution in its genius, to fasten missiles from a helicopter to an RTO)))
Read what people write, above they offered to screw the "Hammer" mortar on the RTO, a very good test joke, and help Ukrainians in developing a wunderwafe, and most importantly and most funny, they will do it.

Psaki fired, Chernomyrdin died, Ukrainians remain. Selawy

[Marconi41]

Yeah. Is a boat better than a BDK? One BDK can easily take on board all these boats of Ukraine.

[Avior]

. in stormy conditions, they tried to fire from NURS S-8 blocks digested from helicopters, the tests were not entirely successful

And why did the author bring the video? So that everyone sees that this phrase does not correspond to reality?
Or was it a test - to whom the reader believes more - to his eyes and ears or to his beloved anonymous author?
For in the video the “digested blocks” turn out to be stabilized launchers with optoelectronic guidance.
I don’t know how it is in reality, but in the video that the author himself presented as an illustration of the article, the tests passed successfully, the targets were hit, although refinement is required, but this is a common element of testing new technology.

[awg75]

In Ukraine, a place mistakenly indicated on the map as a country, testing and development is not carried out as in your homeland))))) they have a great rollback. whoever gave the most on his paw, that money. And whoever scolds Russia the most and praises the United States, the budget is even greater. Soon ships from the great Ukrainian slingshot will launch ships to Mars. BUT what’s the most interesting, they won’t reach)))).

[Avior]

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about something else
maybe, in reality, it's not like in the video, I don’t know, maybe the rollback, as you write. Why not.
But if the author gives the video as an illustration to his text and the text is based on this video, then the author should take care that his text matches the given video.
some kind of reader manipulation - you see one thing in the video, but the author’s text suggests you not to believe your eyes.

[cherkas.oe]

Well done xoxly - they CAN'T, even when they really want to, but they tell everyone that "six times in a row"

[ibn.shamai]

Nuu! Who would doubt that! No matter how strongest "army" on the planet!

[tatarin1972]

Maybe I don’t know something and don’t understand, do our BDK go alone? I think one corvette of project 20380 is enough for the entire Navy.

[EXPrompt]

In response, the Naval Forces of Ukraine put out to sea two Centaur boats at once, which, in stormy weather, tried to fire from NURS S-8 blocks, digested from helicopters, the tests were not entirely successful. According to the results of the tests, the head of the shipbuilding department of the Ukrainian Navy Vasily Radchuk said that "the mathematics and system must be refined."

They need to refine the head, and with a sledgehammer or a file.
C8 are designed to be launched from a helicopter, that is, from a carrier where the rocket already has a significant speed at the start even in the container before launch, due to the speed of the rocket and stabilizes in flight.
This is exactly the same child’s attempts as Luke’s in his illustrious military-industrial complex, with the story of installing exactly the same C8 helicopters on a Ford transit chassis.

[Avior]

C8 are designed to be launched from a helicopter, that is, from a carrier where the rocket already has a significant speed at the start even in the container before launch, due to the speed of the rocket and stabilizes in flight.

and what speed of the helicopter should be minimum for launch, in your opinion? less than 50 km per hour or more?

[EXPrompt]

Ну и что?
your photo is a typical shahidmobil .. afghan everything is cooked there.


The bigger the better, and then the helicopter launches rockets from top to bottom, no need to discount it.

[tlauicol]

But is all this also Afghan and shahidmobili?
http://gunmagazine.com.ua/index.php?id=432

[Rusticolus]

This is even worse. Armed Forces of Armed Forces to Avgan, as to China on Karachik.

[Avior]

start with the fact that the date link that the helicopter can not start without speed nursa, as you colorfully painted above.

[EXPrompt]

Maybe starting from a place - that's not the problem, but the accuracy of the dumb will be different.
This is confirmed by the fact that bows with their shahidmobile from Ford are striking, and in this case, from an extremely unstable platform, a small boat has a tone of 50-80.

[Avior]

so related to media speed? or with platform stability?
if the first, then how? otherwise you painted so beautifully.
and if the second, it’s completely not what you wrote about, especially since it’s stabilized on the boat, unlike a martyr’s

[EXPrompt]

The S-8 aircraft missile was not designed for use from the ground, but was stabilized accordingly at launch due to the speed of the carrier.
Therefore, any projects to fasten the S-8 to any non-aircraft carrier - this is an attempt to build a shahidmobil and cheaply.
Further, it will not matter whether it is an BTR-70, an armored boat or Ford transit.

[Avior]

It was developed for airplanes, but in fact it is massively used from much slower helicopters.
The explanation for this is simple.
The S-8 engine has been specially modified so that the rocket speed is quickly gaining 610 m / s, that is, 2200 km per hour.
The S-8 range is relatively small.
The drawdown of speed is initially systematic in nature, which allows it to be taken into account when aiming.
I do not see the problem.
The boat, like the helicopter, also does not stand still, by the way

[Lord of the Sith]

Ukrainian amphibious assault boats of the "Centaur" type are significantly superior to the Russian large amphibious assault ships (BDK)

Well, a comparison ... Lollipop is much tastier than tarpaulin boots

[Prisoner]

"...Beforea staunch answer to the obsolete large landing craft of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, which have long exhausted their resource ... "(c) The funeral confused two letters. It will be more correct "froma strong answer. "

[awg75]

it would be strange if the great people, a descendant of the Sumerians who dug the Black Sea and didn’t even bother, had bad boats)))) I am sure that everyone is worth three aircraft carriers in terms of combat power. no less))) yes yes

[orionvitt]

"it is necessary to refine the mathematics and the system"

- Petka, devices ...
_ Thirty, Vasily Ivanovich
- What thirty?
- What about appliances?

[Avior]

Mathematics is the slang term for mathematical control algorithms used in the guidance and stabilization system used by developers of automatic systems

[lvov_aleksey]

and pug know she is scared that barks at an elephant !!!