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US changes program to supplant Soviet and Russian weapons in Europe

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US changes program to supplant Soviet and Russian weapons in Europe

The US State Department is changing the strategy of the European Recapitalization Promotion Program (ERIP), in which the US has provided grants to European countries to reject Russian and Soviet weapons. As the portal defensenews.com reports, now the US will allocate "targeted investments".


The United States launched an incentive program in 2018. Initially, it relied on European countries, which in the past were part of the Warsaw Pact. The project was called the European Recapitalization Incentive Program, or ERIP, and at the first stage, $ 190 million was allocated for its implementation. Grants were allocated to countries included in the program (Croatia, Greece, Slovakia, Albania, Bosnia, and Northern Macedonia) to get rid of Soviet and Russian military equipment as soon as possible and replace it with American equipment, provided that the same amount was added and the promise was not to purchase Russian weapons anymore (to purchase spare parts not forbidden).

The United States later increased spending under this program to $ 277 million, and Lithuania and Bulgaria added to the above countries.

Small amounts allocated to countries to start purchasing American equipment allowed American arms manufacturers to conclude contracts worth more than $ 2,5 billion.

As the State Department explained, now the United States will not provide grants to countries, within which they can choose American equipment, but switch to “targeted investments,” that is, will allocate funds for specific weapons or equipment. Bulgaria was the first to try this initiative on itself, to which the United States allocated "assistance" of $ 56 million for the purchase of F-16 fighters. As a result, Bulgaria will spend $ 1,673 billion on eight American fighters and related equipment and weapons.
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  1. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 21 March 2020 17: 44 New
    18
    Business ... only business everywhere and always ... they contributed to the destruction of the USSR for the sack and capture of new markets ... and in this they are very consistent ...
    1. codetalker
      codetalker 21 March 2020 18: 21 New
      23
      What is impressive is that when Americans do this, everyone understands everything. And when we do the same, we provide loans in order to promote our products, realizing that military-technical cooperation is for a long time, all commentators suddenly: “Oh, well, that’s it, nobody buys ours, you have to pay extra, bu-bu- mu ... ".
      1. marchcat
        marchcat 21 March 2020 20: 00 New
        +5
        Amerikosy in their repertoire, the Bulgarians lit up to the fullest. fool
  2. Irokez
    Irokez 21 March 2020 17: 46 New
    +1
    Because of their poor, the poorest Europeans were tempted because they (these poor non-Europeans), saving everything and everyone, can buy a cheaper one and the same (at least) in quality from a competitor (that is, Russia). Not only that, many in Russian and sat, and now it is necessary to tear them from a cheaper and transplanted to an expensive one. Business and nothing more.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 21 March 2020 18: 39 New
      +3
      The numbers are kind of strange - they lent 58 million, but they need to be bought for 1,7 billion. So what kind of Bulgaria is this good for?
      1. pytar
        pytar 21 March 2020 20: 41 New
        -2
        The numbers are kind of strange - they lent 58 million, but they need to be bought for 1,7 billion. So what kind of Bulgaria is this good for?

        Not a loan. There is such a US state fund to stimulate purchases am. weapons. The amount of 1,7 billion includes not only fighters, but also weapons, simulators, infrastructure and training. The next batch of 8 fighter aircraft will be much cheaper. In terms of purchasing power, F-16 block 72 are obtained at a price similar to that at which Bulgaria bought the MiG-29 from the USSR in the 80s. hi
        1. missuris
          missuris 21 March 2020 23: 02 New
          +3
          why not the F-35? he would also go out with 200k weapons, but he’s new, the engines are new, the materials are new, you can study, copy
          1. pytar
            pytar 21 March 2020 23: 13 New
            -2
            why not the F-35?

            We can get Falcons in a much shorter period! Just in time for the decommissioning of our old MiGs. They need to look for an urgent replacement! The F-35 is a long line, it is contracted for years to come! Moreover, Lightning is more expensive to operate than the Falcon. Perhaps in the future we will get Lightings, I can’t prophesy. request
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 22 March 2020 18: 20 New
          0
          As far as I read the F - 16 has already been discontinued. That is, airplanes will be used, not a little expensive?
          1. pytar
            pytar 22 March 2020 19: 44 New
            0
            As far as I read the F - 16 has already been discontinued. That is, airplanes will be used, not a little expensive?

            Filmed old versions. bl70 is new, its production began in the Lokheid Martin plant in Greenville, J. Carolina, built at the end of 2019.
            It’s not expensive, since the price includes, in addition to training (+ supply of 3D simulators), equipment, weapons, and support costs in years. readiness for 3 years ahead. During this period, the Bulgarian company Avionams should receive appropriate equipment, qualifications and certification, it will continue to support them.
            But the MiG-29, which we received in the late 80s and still operate, were used from the Soviet Air Force.
      2. ApJlekuHo
        ApJlekuHo 21 March 2020 23: 39 New
        +5
        58 million. This is a bribe to the bureaucrats, they sign the agreement and the country pulls bondage.
    2. pytar
      pytar 21 March 2020 22: 50 New
      -1
      ... these poor non-Europeans ...

      Sergei, these poor, as you call them "non-Europeans" live no worse than the citizens of the richest country in natural resources in the world!

      ... saving everything and everyone can buy more cheap and the same (at least) in quality from a competitor (that is, Russia) ...

      This is a very controversial hardening! Cheaper often comes out more expensive! The question of the quality of the "competitor's" products is also very controversial!
      There is another factor, I'm specifically about Bulgaria! In foreign trade, Bulgaria has a surplus from the USA (from Germany too)! Billions of $! Here we balance the balance when buying fighter jets! Not bad by the way! And we and the Russian Federation have a significant trade imbalance - $ billions, current with a minus sign! This is due to the import of gas and oil! We are trying to reduce it by restricting imports and increasing exports from / to Russia hi
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 22 March 2020 18: 22 New
        0
        You also tell me that in Bulgaria the standard of living, as in Germany or France, and I will pay.
        1. pytar
          pytar 22 March 2020 19: 47 New
          0
          You also tell me that in Bulgaria the standard of living, as in Germany or France, and I will pay.

          No, even though over the past 20 years the difference has decreased markedly. I’m often in different countries, including the Russian Federation, I see, I can compare. Why will you cry, your own business. hi
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 22 March 2020 20: 38 New
            0
            Previously, your standard of living was slightly better than in Ukraine. While her patriots were not driven into the war. And to Germany and other European countries you are still far away.
            1. pytar
              pytar 22 March 2020 21: 39 New
              0
              Previously, your standard of living was slightly better than in Ukraine. While her patriots were not driven into the war.

              Where without mentioning Ukraine ... laughing I basically do not discuss this topic.
              And to Germany and other European countries you are still far away.

              The distance was reduced at times. We are joking that we will not overtake Germany, it will overtake us! lol This is in view of the impending global crisis. Bulgaria is comparatively well prepared, although no one will be left untouched.
    3. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 21 March 2020 23: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: Irokez
      The poorest Europeans were tempted by their poor

      Classics of the genre.
      "What a blue sky
      We are not supporters of robbery
      No knife needed on greed
      You will show him a copper penny
      And do what you want with him ... "
    4. lBEARl
      lBEARl 23 March 2020 03: 21 New
      0
      If you want to ruin someone, give them an armadillo
  3. Lelek
    Lelek 21 March 2020 17: 46 New
    -20
    (... i.e. will allocate funds for specific weapons or equipment. )

    And this doctrine is already working today - Turkey has once again shown itself to be a traitor in relation to Russia (probably with a knixen: "business and nothing personal").
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 17: 52 New
      10
      Quote: Lelek
      And this doctrine is already working today - Turkey has once again shown itself to be a traitor in relation to Russia (probably with a knixen: "business and nothing personal")

      And where does this, so to speak, crap come from?

      Dv, you have a funny way of posting pictures - you don’t even take text to search request

      PS: Minus is not mine laughing
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 21 March 2020 18: 09 New
        +6
        Technically illiterate fake. Reverse engineering could, with due diligence, recreate an analog prototype. A digital system. those. the algorithm and program code cannot be restored. I hope the "source" was not transferred to the Turks? stop
      2. Horst78
        Horst78 21 March 2020 19: 00 New
        +9
        And where does this, so to speak, crap come from?
        "fountain", "jellyfish", "echo of Moscow", etc. by the list
      3. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 21 March 2020 19: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        funny way to post pictures - even text to search not take

        Probably through Paint does. I've also filmed similar information for fun ..
      4. Guru
        Guru 21 March 2020 20: 30 New
        +3
        My minus would be an opportunity - I would put a couple more.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 21 March 2020 17: 59 New
      -3
      Quote: Lelek
      And this doctrine is already working today - Turkey has once again shown itself to be a traitor in relation to Russia (probably with a knixen: "business and nothing personal").

      Leo, but you can link .. info then a bomb ..
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 18: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        Leo, but you can link .. info then a bomb ..

        "Svarog", relax. "Bomb" from the newspaper, and inside not BB, but .. well, what's on the fan, yes yes
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 22 March 2020 00: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Svarog ", relax.

          Yes, it’s cool, he’s already done the rack. fellow wassat
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 22 March 2020 00: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Paranoid50
            he already made a rack

            Visiting the Oblomingo bird. it happens request
      2. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 21 March 2020 18: 16 New
        +7
        Quote: Svarog
        info then a bomb ..

        But Russia didn’t know to whom and what it was selling? I think the S-400 going for export is not the S-400 that is in service with Russia. And it’s impossible to disassemble the rockets without destruction, they are disposable. I read Turkish bloggers during the Turkish invasion of Syria after they entered it, they are outraged that the Russian S-400 is still being controlled by Russian specialists. Yes, and I think that this case (transfer of technology to another state) is also written in the contract. Fake bomb. And if we have the best weapons. and flexible sales system, you can overcome the obstacles of Americans
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 21 March 2020 18: 21 New
          +5
          Yes, it makes no difference, they look only at the wrappers and headings. And then Oh !!!
      3. LMN
        LMN 21 March 2020 18: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Lelek
        And this doctrine is already working today - Turkey has once again shown itself to be a traitor in relation to Russia (probably with a knixen: "business and nothing personal").

        Leo, but you can link .. info then a bomb ..

        Can you explain why you need this "bomb"?
        Do you want to blow up Russia ?!
        Do you want to blow up "Putin's regime" ?!
        Can you explain why you need this "bomb"?
        For the sake of understanding, in the end.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 22 March 2020 00: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: LMN
          For the sake of understanding, in the end.

          If for the sake of understanding, then everything is simple. There is such a profession - a scavenger, which was formerly called the goldenman. There is also an unhealthy attraction to a certain substance, the name of which is coprophilia. Accordingly, all that such subjects can blow up is their own brain maximum, it is also a sewer collector. Such an abomination. negative hi
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 22 March 2020 07: 56 New
            0
            There is such a profession - a scavenger, which was formerly called the goldenman.
            Actually, it’s a dirty but useful job to clean up the substance after others. In this case, it’s not an attempt to clean up, but an attempt to scatter.
            There is also an unhealthy attraction to a certain substance, the name of which is coprophilia.
            But this is closer.
    3. kot423
      kot423 21 March 2020 18: 05 New
      +5
      Do you want to say that the bullshit that you posted (by the way, this bullshit has been "walking" on the Internet since 2019, right down to the rollers on the pipe) - the ultimate truth?
    4. cniza
      cniza 21 March 2020 18: 06 New
      +2
      To put it mildly, roughly speaking, this cannot be because it cannot, it directly prohibits the contract ...
    5. rumpeljschtizhen
      rumpeljschtizhen 21 March 2020 18: 17 New
      +6
      Turkey cannot betray a priori ... She is not our friend, not an ally
    6. Guru
      Guru 21 March 2020 20: 31 New
      +2
      A link to the studio, and so everyone can compose everything that comes to a sore head.
  4. Amateur
    Amateur 21 March 2020 18: 03 New
    +5
    change the Soviet crowding out program

    Unfortunately, the USSR has been gone for 29 years. During this time, the military equipment not only "and I was a young girl, I myself can not remember when ...", but also physically worn out. T.N. The "limitrophes" and "countries of the Warsaw Treaty" are now mostly complete bankrupts. Therefore, they can buy new military equipment only for handouts from new owners. Therefore, purchases of American equipment are quite natural. Who will fund direct competitors? hi
    1. businessv
      businessv 21 March 2020 18: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Amateur
      Unfortunately, the USSR has not been around for 19 years.

      Actually 29, colleague! repeat
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 21 March 2020 18: 11 New
        +2
        Sorry, reported! drinks
    2. askort154
      askort154 21 March 2020 18: 39 New
      +4
      Amateur...Unfortunately, the USSR has not been around for 19 years

      But they were mistaken for a dozen, but in general, everything is logical. The Warsaw Pact collapsed in 1986 (a hunchbacked remodeler). And if the equipment was even delivered this year, then it is already at least 35 years old. But really all 40!
      Now for the US military-industrial complex, this is a new "Klondike". All these countries, the former "Warsaw" are still subsidized by the EU, Poland gets the most (cunningly). At the entrance to the EU, she asked for "introductory", in the aisles 40-60 billion.
      Euro. what the EU agreed to, and still receives an annual subsidy of around 11 billion euros. The remaining members are also subsidized, but at times less.
      Therefore, an interesting situation is obtained. US gathered to sell to Poland
      a large amount of their weapons. Including the F-35, "Patriots" and much more.
      With the naked eye it’s clear that the United States wants to make Poland in Europe,
      his "overseers", instead of Germany with France (England left).
      Realizing this, old Europe tensed. Their former solidarity with the United States,
      began to melt. The EU expects a big crisis, right up to the collapse and withdrawal from NATO.
      Only the countries of the former Warsaw Pact will remain in NATO,
      headquartered in Warsaw. All this will happen until 2030.
      1. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 21 March 2020 18: 51 New
        +4
        Fun may sound - NATO Warsaw laughing
        1. Ryaruav
          Ryaruav 21 March 2020 19: 05 New
          +1
          so everything is right the most rabid threats of NATO countries are just from Warsaw
      2. Irokez
        Irokez 21 March 2020 19: 04 New
        -1
        Quote: askort154
        Only the former Warsaw Pact countries will remain in NATO

        Hmm interesting post. From this, you can make a good story for the film.
    3. pytar
      pytar 21 March 2020 19: 55 New
      -1
      During this time, military equipment ... physically worn out.

      It's right. yes
      T.N. The "limitrophes" and "countries of the Warsaw Treaty" are now mostly complete bankrupts.

      Can you give facts, about Ext. Debt / GDP in support of your hardening? Which of these countries go bankrupt?
      Therefore, they can buy new military equipment only on handouts from the new owners.

      The Czech Republic operates with the Swedish Gripenov, Poland Leopards2 and Wolverines, Bulgaria is going to buy Dutch frigates, etc.
      Who will finance direct competitors?

      And here you are absolutely right! Everyone uses credit lines, barter programs, investments, offset and other incentives! As far as I know, China too. good
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 21 March 2020 20: 06 New
        0
        Can you give facts, about Ext. Debt / GDP in support of your hardening? Which of these countries go bankrupt?

        So the Bulgarian "partner" got out from somewhere! Bulgaria has already returned the opportunity to grow "bell peppers" or is it still bringing it from Holland because of the EU quotas, are you rich Buratina? fool
        1. pytar
          pytar 21 March 2020 20: 28 New
          +2
          So the Bulgarian "partner" got out from somewhere!

          Victor, save yourself a causticity, to me abs. will not affect. Trust me! yes
          By the way, I’ve been at VO since April 2013, and you got out 5 years later ...
          Bulgaria has already returned the opportunity to grow "bell peppers" or is it still bringing it from Holland because of the EU quotas, are you rich Buratina?

          Except for empty phrases, you have not answered the question specifically! By the way, calling your interlocutor "Buratin" is wrong, because - 1. he's your Russian, 2-you break the site rules ... negative
          1. Avior
            Avior 22 March 2020 01: 59 New
            +1
            I think not quite right
            rich you our pinocchio

            2. This is not an insult, just a figurative expression in relation to a wealthy person, albeit with an ironic connotation, but not an oseorbtion
            1. Pinocchio, he is not entirely Russian, rather Italian, Pinocchio Pinocchio, Pinocchio is not his own name, but the general designation of wooden dolls in Italy
            smile
            1. pytar
              pytar 22 March 2020 13: 34 New
              0
              This is not an insult ..

              Thanks for the clarification, even though I am not worried, even if there would be an insult. Rude, insulting the interlocutor, a sign of weakness, lack of arguments. hi
  5. cniza
    cniza 21 March 2020 18: 04 New
    +4
    As a result, Bulgaria will spend $ 1,673 billion on eight American fighter jets and related equipment and weapons.


    So the flag in their hands, they are rich ...
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 21 March 2020 18: 13 New
      +2
      Vitya hi
      Quote: cniza
      they are rich ...

      Such rich people can not only be found there. Just look around. wink
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 March 2020 18: 16 New
        +4
        pasha hi

        This is an old US technique, the main thing is to pick it up, and then milk and milk ...
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 21 March 2020 18: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          the main thing is to pick up, and then milk and milk ...

          And dairy cows - wear muzzles and smile like patsaks. yes
          1. cniza
            cniza 21 March 2020 18: 56 New
            +2
            And bow, thanks to his master ...
        2. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 22 March 2020 01: 38 New
          +4
          hi honest company, short and distinct
          Quote: cniza
          old US reception, the main thing is to pick it up, and then ..

          They always did that. Question to the same Pytar: and how, after the collapse of the Warsaw block, Bulgaria was driven into the Regional Airspace Initiative, for example - equipment was donated for improving air traffic control and cooperation between the civilian and military sectors .. - it sounded beautifully and also had an 'iron' for several $ lyamas, probably applauded in unison. And how much later did Bulgaria put out of its pocket for the associated infrastructure? At times more. And who was the first to rush to offer this equipment? In history we are looking for darkness ....
          And then the fun begins, because they milk not only financially - they take Faberge aggressively in everything
          1. pytar
            pytar 22 March 2020 13: 40 New
            +1
            It is not clear why they were so concerned about other people's money? Who can spend them how is his business! I suppose if you were to orders from the Russian defense industry, your reaction would be completely different! That would be a "right" waste, right? How would it be Ross. capitalists are holy angels! laughing
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 22 March 2020 13: 50 New
              +3
              love you even damn right ... You love your country, and rightly so, but excuse your opinion about it, it will not find understanding in old Europe. They sell you, but with your hard hand they take your opinion into circulation in Europe, in the real world. Or do you firmly believe that old Europe considers you equal in the political scene? You annoy them, because you represent someone else's, not European opinion. This attitude to everyone newborn democracies - they play you, however they want. And one and a half dozen fighters, tanks, ships - tinsel worthy of political slogans, no more.
              Learn to count your money yourself and you will be happy. May show European solidarity and spend them at home
              1. pytar
                pytar 22 March 2020 15: 15 New
                0
                Sorry Pete Mitchell, but this is your subjective perception. We / the majority / have a different opinion. Yes, it is true that "old Europe" has its own interests. And Bulgaria is trying to work in its own interests. I will tell you for sure - there is an understanding about the need to update the Armed Forces in the Bulgarian society! F-16 bl70, optimal variant.
                Learn to count your money yourself and you will be happy. May show European solidarity and spend them at home

                Here's how we count our money, this is our concern, right? Something from Europe, something from the USA we will buy, everything is there. hi
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 22 March 2020 15: 29 New
                  +2
                  Pytar, they regularly try to remind you that you are being played, and your influence on the processes in 'united Europe' is somewhere at the baseboard level. Old Europe frankly does not understand why you generally have the right to vote in Europe, in the first place. Offhand, how is the Zaventen area famous? So without google.
                  Only your best options are involved in political influence, and not in the interests of your country. Slovenia once transferred control of its airspace to Austria - do many know about this? And she didn’t disappear, but continues to live no worse than Bulgaria
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 22 March 2020 20: 00 New
                    0
                    Old Europe frankly does not understand why you generally have the right to vote in Europe, in the first place.

                    This is us old Europe. 13 centuries we are here. And who does not understand what, his misfortune.
                    Offhand, how is the Zaventen area famous?

                    Not interested.
                    Slovenia ... transferred control of its airspace to Austria ... And it didn’t disappear, but continues to live no worse than Bulgaria

                    Better to give your airspace to other countries? Cheaper Tipo? Our skies should be guarded by our Air Force, you can’t save on expenses for aircraft! The absolute majority of Bulgarians adhere to this opinion. Another 72% want a return to military service and an increase in the size of the army. Parliament will probably deal with this issue. There are tenders for the purchase of armored vehicles and ships for the Navy. And the submarines will probably be bought through an intergovernmental dispute with the Netherlands.
                    1. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 22 March 2020 20: 52 New
                      +2
                      Quote: pytar
                      This is us old Europe. 13 centuries we are here. And who doesn’t understand what, his misfortune

                      Pytar, you can think about yourself what you want, but those who order music don't give a damn about it, as well as your centuries-old history
                      Quote: pytar
                      What is the Zaventen area famous for?
                      Not interested
                      As Russians say: learn the materiel, it is there that they make decisions for you - HQ
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 22 March 2020 21: 44 New
                        0
                        but those who order music don't give a damn about it

                        We don’t give a damn! Many empires rushed into the summer, bury them too. laughing
                        As the Russians say: learn the materiel ...

                        Russians speak, but do not study ... laughing
                      2. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 22 March 2020 22: 17 New
                        +3
                        Quote: pytar
                        Russians speak, but do not study
                        The Russians have little choice: Moscow. You can’t compare with yours: Washington, Brussels, voiced by Sofia. You need to be more modest Pytar, more modest
                        Quote: pytar
                        We don’t give a damn! Many empires rushed into the summer, bury and etih

                        It will be worse for you if they spit on you, and besides that some kind of empire has sunk into oblivion, you didn’t really have a hand in it: thank God your place on the political map has not changed over the centuries - backyard ...
                        good week to you, it’s useful to fight the virus
                      3. pytar
                        pytar 23 March 2020 00: 30 New
                        0
                        You need to be more modest Pytar, more modest ...

                        Modesty, my middle name ... yes Therefore, I flatly do not tolerate great-power claims. No matter where they come from.
                        It will be worse for you if they spit on you ...

                        They spat, and then died. It turned out to be contraindicated. Who does not heed, rushes into the fly. We honestly warned! request
                        ..so that some empire has sunk into oblivion, you didn’t really have a hand in hand: thank God your place on the political map has not changed over the centuries - backyards ...

                        For an understanding of our worldview, compilation of the word Wangi, my translation:
                        -"The peoples have their own star, which charges them with energy, and Bulgaria has not one star, but a whole constellation. Some peoples have only a planet, they will disappear."
                        -"The Bulgarian letter is one of the oldest on earth ... Oh, how ancient Bulgaria! She gave a lot to the world, but the world will give her with gratitude."
                        - "Bulgarians are one of the spiritual leaders of mankind, because they have preserved qualities that other peoples do not have. Bulgarians are strong and will survive under any circumstances. The earth will open and the world will know who the Bulgarians are. Wherever they go, they created states and built whites. cities."
                        - "Bulgaria is a blessed country! It is no coincidence that the Forces sent me here.
                        - "Bulgaria will recover, because Bulgarians are very hardworking and capable. Everyone knows how, everyone can!"
                        - "The Bulgarian people are strong, look what is sung in our songs and how our ancestors lived. We must observe our holidays, traditions, customs, because they are a means of survival."
                        - "Bulgaria is not poor! It is ancient and has educated people. Respect other peoples and their cultures, but be proud that you are Bulgarians. The most important thing is national unity and self-confidence among people."
                        - "Our mountains and lakes are sacred, like in India. People do not understand this, but the day will come when they will start coming to us from all over the world and will draw energy. The seven Rila lakes are a paradise connected with space."

                        good week to you, it’s useful to fight the virus

                        And you, the virus does not make a difference who is what! Antiviral at regular doses! drinks
                      4. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 23 March 2020 00: 37 New
                        +2
                        Pytar, did you sort out Slivovitsa and vangue there? I’ll say it again, one must be more modest. Vanga is certainly a respected person, but look carefully at what world you live in and where in general there is a place in this world. take care of yourself
                      5. pytar
                        pytar 23 March 2020 00: 50 New
                        0
                        I quote Wangi, I did not come up with anything. She predicts a bright future for Russia, so that everything will be fine, do not hesitate!
                        Slivovitsa incidentally destroys the corona virus at all 120%! yes
                        The world is big, but we are Bulgarians, just standing in that place where the Lord God himself sealed his palms and said - I’ll protect you here!

                        Such a people will not disappear!
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 21 March 2020 19: 10 New
    -1
    Yes, let the falcons followers of the Bulgarian king Boris, fly, this should not touch us anymore, everyone chooses his own path
  • pytar
    pytar 21 March 2020 20: 02 New
    +2
    So the flag in their hands, they are rich ...

    Not rich, but not as poor as they say in Russian media. GDP for 2019 is 52 billion euros ... Expenditures on aircraft of 1,5-2,5% of GDP are quite rising. bully
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 March 2020 20: 11 New
      +4
      So good, am I against it, it is up to you and your country ...
      1. pytar
        pytar 21 March 2020 20: 44 New
        +1
        ... it's up to you and your country ...

        And there is! hi Personally, I liked the Swedish Flu more. Especially their ability to crawl unprepared runways and highways.
        1. cniza
          cniza 21 March 2020 21: 06 New
          +4
          God give you success!
          1. pytar
            pytar 21 March 2020 21: 09 New
            +2
            God grant to you, Victor! Let everythnig will be alright! hi
  • nemez
    nemez 21 March 2020 18: 05 New
    0
    One thing is interesting to me, they earn epaulettes, and then begins a madhouse. Svarog is at least an honest oppositionist. Yes, and his opposition is peculiar.
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 March 2020 18: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: nemez
      One thing is interesting to me, they earn epaulettes, and then it starts with a madhouse.


      What did you mean ? Explain.
      1. nemez
        nemez 21 March 2020 18: 13 New
        0
        About what they write all crap. And without links.
        1. cniza
          cniza 21 March 2020 18: 14 New
          +3
          So you write who specifically, and not by a chez at all ...
          1. nemez
            nemez 21 March 2020 19: 13 New
            -1
            Firstly, not all of you, you tried on yourself. Secondly, your nickname and posts talk about the correct choice of Nick.
            1. cniza
              cniza 21 March 2020 19: 16 New
              +4
              You are deeply mistaken .. Knitsa is part of the ship's set for the fortress of the hull and you probably don’t understand, because you do not associate yourself with our country.
    2. LMN
      LMN 21 March 2020 19: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: nemez
      One thing is interesting to me, they earn epaulettes, and then begins a madhouse. Svarog is at least an honest oppositionist. Yes, and his opposition is peculiar.

      Yes, he hasn’t answered direct questions yet. (I asked above)
      There are doubts about honesty ..
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 22 March 2020 01: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: nemez
      Svarog is at least an honest opposition

      wassat wassat wassat From the heart. good
  • Mouse
    Mouse 21 March 2020 18: 07 New
    +3
    Bulgaria was the first to try this initiative, to which the United States allocated "aid" of $ 56 million for the purchase of F-16 fighters.

    interesting ... how does it taste ??? recourse
    Not cloying? And then he will fill Askomin .....
  • businessv
    businessv 21 March 2020 18: 08 New
    +2
    Bulgaria was the first to try this initiative, to which the United States allocated "aid" of $ 56 million for the purchase of F-16 fighters. As a result, Bulgaria will spend $ 1,673 billion on eight American fighters and related equipment and weapons.
    Great business, however! The amazing is nearby, you just need to consider it well and you can be surprised! smile
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 21 March 2020 18: 20 New
      +4
      Sorry ... but nowadays there is nothing to be surprised ... yes
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 21 March 2020 18: 09 New
    +3
    and Lithuania and Bulgaria were added to the above countries.

    AND! Brothers! It looks like them laughing That's just interesting. What will their office do now, nicknamed Arsenal - copies of Kalash, PKK and other LNG will be delivered exclusively by ISIS through the Saudis?
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 21 March 2020 18: 12 New
    +7
    Beauty ... Oligophre (crossed out) Bulgarian oligarchs buy antediluvian fu-16s for 200+ lyamas of dead raccoons. This is real fat! Better than with a flightless penguin.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 21 March 2020 18: 44 New
      +1
      So bell peppers - they are hot! Dumb bell peppers sold to Poland - because they buy F-35 for a lot of money and without weapons)))
    2. pytar
      pytar 21 March 2020 21: 04 New
      -1
      Beauty...

      This is true! yes


      Oligophre (crossed out) Bulgarian oligarchs buy antediluvian fu-16 ... Now this is a real fat!

      Since you're so smart fellow , can you say what are the competitors of the F-16 bl70 and how are they better in this case?
      1. iouris
        iouris 21 March 2020 21: 24 New
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        Quote: pytar
        can you tell which competitors F-16 bl70 have and what they are better in this case?

        Watching who the opponent is. And who is the opponent?
        1. pytar
          pytar 21 March 2020 22: 13 New
          -1
          Watching who the opponent is. And who is the opponent?

          Who cares? Switzerland, Mongolia, etc. not even opponents! We are talking about technology! Here you are repeating:
          antediluvian fu-16

          So be motivated! What is the F-16 bl70 antediluvian? Compared to what others of that class?
  • Mentat
    Mentat 21 March 2020 18: 53 New
    +4
    Quote: Lelek
    (... i.e. will allocate funds for specific weapons or equipment. )

    And this doctrine is already working today - Turkey has once again shown itself to be a traitor in relation to Russia (probably with a knixen: "business and nothing personal").

    Why insert screenshots of text from such a garbage can, which is so insignificant that it is not indexed even in Yandex?

    Does the name of this "source" make it so obscure that you cannot insert a normal link?
  • Irokez
    Irokez 21 March 2020 18: 56 New
    -1
    Quote: TermNachTER
    The numbers are kind of strange - they lent 58 million, but they need to be bought for 1,7 billion. So what kind of Bulgaria is this good for?

    Uh-uh, you don’t understand anything - this is AMERICAN, and not some Russian. Cool and fashionable, and Prok has nothing to do with it, I don’t even know who Prok is. )))
  • rocket757
    rocket757 21 March 2020 19: 24 New
    +1
    The arrogant Saxons always built the world for themselves ... where did they get it. Schaub then rip off that world, rip off and then rip off.
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 21 March 2020 19: 41 New
    -2
    So there is no monopoly in the supply of gas, but is it possible in the supply of the military? Where are the euro elves from all sorts of advice looking ...?
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 21 March 2020 20: 17 New
    -1
    Quote: TermNachTER
    The numbers are kind of strange - they lent 58 million, but they need to be bought for 1,7 billion. So what kind of Bulgaria is this good for?

    Very simple. The seed is given to the top in the form of bonuses, and the state will pay for the old iron, in other words, the people.
    1. pytar
      pytar 21 March 2020 21: 17 New
      0
      The seed is given to the top in the form of bonuses, and the state will pay for the old iron, in other words, the people.

      Do you like to count other people's money ... while at that time the sechins are protecting your ... laughing
  • Rostislav
    Rostislav 21 March 2020 20: 42 New
    +1
    It is not for nothing that the term "American aid" has taken root in preference.
  • eklmn
    eklmn 21 March 2020 22: 13 New
    -4
    For the curious:
    “Russia has profits from Bulgaria’s purchase of the F-16.”
    https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2019/10/31/russia-makes-profit-by-the-bulgarian-f-16-purchase/
    “Bulgaria decided to buy an F-16 Block 70/72 fighter. My personal opinion is the F-16 and Saab Gripen are two very good aircraft for this price.
    Few people understand that this type of military transaction is geopolitical in nature and affects not only the parties to the transaction, but also third parties. Remember - geopolitical nature is the key to this type of business communication. This also applies to Russia. Russia is making profit from the fact that Bulgaria decided to buy the F-16, not SAAB Gripen.
    Bulgaria will not buy Russian aircraft. In recent years, Bulgaria has been accepting grants from the USA and other western countries. A military base in Novo Selo was built for hundreds of millions of US dollars from the United States, several sailboats were donated by the US Navy to their Bulgarian counterparts. There are many examples ...
    So there was only one choice - the new F-16 Block 70/72.
    Neither Russians, nor Swedes, nor second-hand, nor heavy and expensive Eurofighters.
    “Do Russian planes appear in the airspace of Bulgaria? Yes. Several times a week, and this is known in the Ministry of Defense. According to a journalist from Mediapool, over the past year, Bulgarian fighter jets flew 19 times due to Russian violations. However, I know that this number is quite small. No, this is not a provocation. There are many reasons, but most importantly, Russia does not make sense to provoke Bulgaria, which does not have high-quality military equipment.
    Russia knows very well the quality of our old Russian aircraft. They made them before, they sold them to us, and they support them. Who can repair them? Only Russia.
    Therefore, the faster our MiGs are amortized and the more often they are repaired, the more often we will pay Russian manufacturers for their repairs. Bulgaria is the third in line to get F-16, i.e. the first pair of aircraft will appear no earlier than 2023.
    If you think that the amount of $ 1,2 billion for the entire F-16 order is all we pay, that’s not true. Because: since the beginning of this year (2019) Bulgaria has paid $ 156 million for the repair of Su and MiG fighters. In fact, we will use Russian aircraft in 2020, 2021 and 2022. If we assume that we will pay $ 156 million every year (I think it will be more), then Bulgaria will spend $ 624 million to service the old fleet of Russian aircraft from 2019 to 2022.
    There is a real chance that this amount will increase to $ 750 million only if Russia decides to increase the number of violations in the Bulgarian airspace. ”
    1. pytar
      pytar 21 March 2020 23: 41 New
      0
      This is another argument that it is necessary to change the old Soviet technology to a new, western one. laughing
      Statiya Boyko Nikolov with his website BulgarianMilitary.com. By the way, this was said, if I am not mistaken, by the headquarters of the Bolg. When discussing the Air Force, is it necessary to spend money on continuing the MiG-29 resource? At the end, ends, they decided to make repairs at minimal cost, so that 2 pairs could fly before the arrival of Falcons. In the military budget, all funds are allocated for the purchase of new F-16s, they will no longer repair and support Migov. hi
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 21 March 2020 23: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: pytar
    The seed is given to the top in the form of bonuses, and the state will pay for the old iron, in other words, the people.

    Do you like to count other people's money ... while at that time the sechins are protecting your ... laughing

    Do you still think that Sechin steers a private company? You are mistaken. Clear your brains and remember who APPOINTED him for this position. Ram Vyakhirev, who was removed from office? Do not you know? Then do not grind what does not fit in your head.
    1. pytar
      pytar 22 March 2020 00: 00 New
      -1
      Do you still think that Sechin steers a private company? You are mistaken. Clean your brains, and remember who APPOINTED him for this position. Ram Vyakhirev, who was removed from office? Do not you know? Then do not grind what does not fit in your head.

      1.Viktor, boorish tone, do not add authority to the speaker! I assure you! yes
      2. From your words it turns out that it’s not whirlwind, sechin, millers, but the one who changes them on a chessboard ... lol
      3. I mentioned these individuals only because you took care of our counterparts. So, you sort it out from yours, and here we’ll sort it out from ours. hi
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 21 March 2020 23: 30 New
    0
    Quote: pytar
    The numbers are kind of strange - they lent 58 million, but they need to be bought for 1,7 billion. So what kind of Bulgaria is this good for?

    Not a loan. There is such a US state fund to stimulate purchases am. weapons. The amount of 1,7 billion includes not only fighters, but also weapons, simulators, infrastructure and training. The next batch of 8 fighter aircraft will be much cheaper. In terms of purchasing power, F-16 block 72 are obtained at a price similar to that at which Bulgaria bought the MiG-29 from the USSR in the 80s. hi

    They do not sell weapons for this money, but crap standing next to them. Of that money, half is for iron, which, by definition, does not fight. You survived there completely out of your mind.
    You studied on our airplanes at Soviet training grounds, at Soviet simulators and in our schools, so you did not pay for all this.
    1. pytar
      pytar 22 March 2020 00: 08 New
      -3
      They do not sell weapons for this money, but crap standing next to them. Of that money, half is for iron, which, by definition, does not fight. You survived there completely out of your mind.

      Victor, the F-16s themselves are a massive 4-generation fighter. And he fought very successfully! As far as I am a well-mannered person, I will refrain from giving an opinion regarding your mind. lol
      You studied on our airplanes at Soviet training grounds, at Soviet simulators and in our schools, so you did not pay for all this.

      So it was half a century ago to the country you ruined! request By the way, the MiG-29 in terms of PS, we bought from the USSR for almost the price at which we buy F-16!
  • akims
    akims 22 March 2020 00: 10 New
    0
    "aid" of $ 56 million for the purchase of F-16 fighters. As a result, Bulgaria will spend $ 1,673 billion on eight American fighters and related equipment and weapons.

    Three penny bribes and voila
  • Protos
    Protos 22 March 2020 00: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: pytar
    God grant to you, Victor! Let everythnig will be alright! hi

    Do not be offended if 9M729 arrives from the Crimea at the Sarafovo airbase during the threatened period
    and naval base "Atia" in the order of decommunization! bully
    There is only 50Kt, maybe Burgas will not even touch the whole ...
    Nothing personal, service from the homeland! soldier
    1. pytar
      pytar 22 March 2020 01: 32 New
      0
      Do not be offended if 9M729 arrives from the Crimea at the Sarafovo airbase during the threatened period
      and naval base "Atia" in the order of decommunization! There is only 50Kt, maybe Burgas will not even touch everything ...
      Nothing personal, service from the homeland! soldier

      Yes, yes ... and we will just die, and you ... will go to heaven ... laughing While serving the Motherland, look for and read the anecdote about one ruler, whom the Lord set the condition for entering paradise ... and there Tereshkova appeared ... I will not quote for obvious reasons, even though I read it here in VO. bully
  • Operator
    Operator 22 March 2020 01: 50 New
    -1
    Quote: Protos
    50ct

    Why don't you report "meat" to Bulgarians - 9M729 is quite capable of delivering a 250-Kt charge of TK 66-05 weighing 140 kg to the target bully
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      1. Operator
        Operator 22 March 2020 10: 12 New
        0
        It has long been - since 1932, the Union on the Bulgarian National Legioni.

        And since 2004, also the NATO.
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 22 March 2020 05: 46 New
    -1
    Quote: Irokez
    Quote: askort154
    Only the former Warsaw Pact countries will remain in NATO

    Hmm interesting post. From this, you can make a good story for the film.

    Only a complete star in Europe can follow from this, which means Germany and France are simply slowed down by frostbitten zheks by ceasing to give them Euro-freebies. Amerz’s help will not last forever - their weapons dump is not endless, and hopes for a quick collapse of the Russian Federation melt away like March snow despite the ever-increasing content of supposedly liberal patriots inside Russia, revived in connection with the discussion of constitutional amendments.
  • 501Legion
    501Legion 22 March 2020 06: 43 New
    0
    Amersky divorce.
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 22 March 2020 09: 03 New
    -1
    Quote: pytar
    They do not sell weapons for this money, but crap standing next to them. Of that money, half is for iron, which, by definition, does not fight. You survived there completely out of your mind.

    Victor, the F-16s themselves are a massive 4-generation fighter. And he fought very successfully! As far as I am a well-mannered person, I will refrain from giving an opinion regarding your mind. lol
    You studied on our airplanes at Soviet training grounds, at Soviet simulators and in our schools, so you did not pay for all this.

    So it was half a century ago to the country you ruined! request By the way, the MiG-29 in terms of PS, we bought from the USSR for almost the price at which we buy F-16!

    29 THEN and 16 NOW. THEN- it was a novice and a rare car surpassed him. TODAY 16 is trash. Half a century ago, the attitude to the window of socialism, all the best to children, and today there is a garbage dump and a warehouse of recyclables. Actually, this is fair. A traitor is the first whip. Personally, I am satisfied. And watch the further dive of your barn.
    1. pytar
      pytar 22 March 2020 11: 41 New
      -2
      29 THEN and 16 NOW. THEN- it was a novice and a rare car surpassed him.

      MiG-29 modernized, became the MiG-35. F-16 upgraded, became F-16 bl 70/72. Wallpaper cars are good, they will live for a long time.
      Half a century ago, the attitude as a showcase of socialism ...

      Showcase! Then it was with us, they contracted, put up, but you can’t take anything with her! Showy, and behind it emptiness!
      ... and today there is a garbage dump and a recyclable warehouse.

      This is according to your distorted ideas. Maybe it's time to squeeze your windows, yes ???
      Personally, I am satisfied.

      There are such little people ... They are happy if it seems that the neighbor’s business is bad.
      And watch the further dive of your barn.

      Better watch your barn, something sharply entered at the peak ...
  • parkello
    parkello 22 March 2020 10: 41 New
    0
    the cheese is over, now only for the money ... as you would expect yes
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 22 March 2020 12: 19 New
    0
    Quote: pytar
    29 THEN and 16 NOW. THEN- it was a novice and a rare car surpassed him.

    MiG-29 modernized, became the MiG-35. F-16 upgraded, became F-16 bl 70/72. Wallpaper cars are good, they will live for a long time.
    Half a century ago, the attitude as a showcase of socialism ...

    Showcase! Then it was with us, they contracted, put up, but you can’t take anything with her! Showy, and behind it emptiness!
    ... and today there is a garbage dump and a recyclable warehouse.

    This is according to your distorted ideas. Maybe it's time to squeeze your windows, yes ???
    Personally, I am satisfied.

    There are such little people ... They are happy if it seems that the neighbor’s business is bad.
    And watch the further dive of your barn.

    Better watch your barn, something sharply entered at the peak ...

    Man is the blacksmith of his misfortune. You forge it from century to century. By betraying Russia, the liberator from the Turks, fascists, and other abominations. The writer M. Gorky was wrong to say that he was a blacksmith of happiness. I rule him. He is a fool in this regard.
    1. pytar
      pytar 22 March 2020 13: 32 New
      -1
      You forge it from century to century.

      "you" .. "you" .. "you" .. all the time, someone else is to blame for everything! When will you look at yourself?
      By betraying Russia, the liberator from the Turks, fascists, and other abominations.

      For a few 100 years, you 3 times turned 180 degrees! Every time denying the former! Maybe it's time to look at yourself and see the traitor?
      The writer M. Gorky was wrong ... I rule him. He is a fool in this regard.

      Well, your overstated conceit, to explain all inconsistencies in thinking. Since you are considered smarter than M. Gorky ..
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 22 March 2020 15: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: pytar
    You forge it from century to century.

    "you" .. "you" .. "you" .. all the time, someone else is to blame for everything! When will you look at yourself?
    By betraying Russia, the liberator from the Turks, fascists, and other abominations.

    For a few 100 years, you 3 times turned 180 degrees! Every time denying the former! Maybe it's time to look at yourself and see the traitor?
    The writer M. Gorky was wrong ... I rule him. He is a fool in this regard.

    Well, your overstated conceit, to explain all inconsistencies in thinking. Since you are considered smarter than M. Gorky ..

    It’s you, uki such, who always fought against Russia, (the USSR) or against the allies. Since the Balkan Wars. Heavenly Father sees everything. And he does, reducing you to a bestial state. Returning to the Turks and others. We will deal with our own affairs. We won’t ask you.
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 23 March 2020 20: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Victor March 47
    Quote: pytar
    You forge it from century to century.

    "you" .. "you" .. "you" .. all the time, someone else is to blame for everything! When will you look at yourself?
    By betraying Russia, the liberator from the Turks, fascists, and other abominations.

    For a few 100 years, you 3 times turned 180 degrees! Every time denying the former! Maybe it's time to look at yourself and see the traitor?
    The writer M. Gorky was wrong ... I rule him. He is a fool in this regard.

    Well, your overstated conceit, to explain all inconsistencies in thinking. Since you are considered smarter than M. Gorky ..

    It’s you, uki such, who always fought against Russia, (the USSR) or against the allies. Since the Balkan Wars. Heavenly Father sees everything. And he does, reducing you to a bestial state. Returning to the Turks and others. We will deal with our own affairs. We won’t ask you.

    Forgive them - wretched, they don’t know history yet, and ambitions are higher than the roof. Ivan IV Rurikovich they are missing. But they don’t seem to recognize him either, that’s not their story. )))))))))))))))))
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 23 March 2020 20: 39 New
    0
    "As explained in the State Department, now the United States will not provide grants to countries, within the framework of which they can choose American equipment, but will switch to" targeted investments, "that is, they will allocate funds for specific weapons or equipment. Bulgaria, to which the US has allocated $ 56 million in "aid" for the purchase of F-16 fighters. As a result, Bulgaria will spend $ 1,673 billion on eight American fighters and related equipment and weapons. "

    To be honest - it reminds me a lot of Mavrodi (MMM), invest a ruble and get 1000. How many ended many remember !!!