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Kiev completely stops public transport

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Kiev completely stops public transport

Following the metro stop, Kiev completely stops public land transport. As stated on Saturday by the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov, this measure is being introduced in connection with the tightening of quarantine measures.


Since March 22 this year, Kiev has completely stopped public transport in the framework of toughening quarantine measures to combat the new coronavirus. It is clarified that this measure does not apply to emergency workers, pharmacies and grocery stores, but it does not explain how they will get to the place of work. Earlier in Ukraine, the metro stopped working, tentatively, until April 3.

The country has already introduced restrictive measures. They will be much tougher in the coming days - this is dictated by the need! This must be done! At the moment, only critically necessary business entities should work in the country, regardless of ownership, critical industrial infrastructure enterprises ... The rest should be closed and people should be in quarantine at home

- Avakov declared.

In turn, the Ukrainian media are already reporting problems with public transport in the capital. Against the background of an idle subway, the problem of getting to work becomes generally impossible. The Ukrainian segment of social networks was filled with negative "impressions" of people who, in the absence of a metro, were forced to get to places of work by buses and trams. Now their work also stops.

Recall that in the framework of the fight against coronavirus, the Ukrainian authorities closed the borders of the country, stopped all international traffic, limited long-distance trips and closed the metro during quarantine.
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  1. DMB 75
    DMB 75 21 March 2020 14: 42 New
    18
    Kiev from March 22 this year completely stops the movement of public transport

    This is already too much.
    1. businessv
      businessv 21 March 2020 14: 51 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      This is already too much.

      So there are no half measures, no matter what is fiction, it’s from the heart because there are problems with the mind.
      1. Infinity
        Infinity 21 March 2020 14: 51 New
        27
        Yeah, really.
        I feel Khan of the Ukrainian economy. Like a government rating.
        Ordinary people feel sorry. If there is no car and work far, and even loans, then consider it is gone ...
        1. Karaul14
          Karaul14 21 March 2020 15: 25 New
          -55
          Quote: Infinity
          Yeah, really.
          I feel Khan of the Ukrainian economy.
          Everyone will have problems in the economy now, and most of all will go to commodity economies like the Russian one, since the price of oil is likely to fall below $ 20, and the price of gas is calculated from the price of oil. The Ukrainian economy is not a raw material economy; it’s a reasonable decision to introduce strict quarantine, while there are not a lot of cases and not waiting for the situation in Italy.
          1. d1m1drol
            d1m1drol 21 March 2020 15: 42 New
            19
            and where does the coronovirus and the price of oil?) You do not confuse fat with sour. It’s just not through oil that you get infected with the virus, so no one will stop the production and transportation. And now that oil has fallen, well, this is a temporary phenomenon. Or are you one of those who bought buckwheat all?) Then the question is, why is buckwheat exactly?)
            1. Karaul14
              Karaul14 21 March 2020 15: 46 New
              -28
              Quote: d1m1drol
              and where does the coronovirus and the price of oil?) You do not confuse fat with sour. It’s just not through oil that you get infected with the virus, so no one will stop the production and transportation. And now that oil has fallen, well, this is a temporary phenomenon. Or are you one of those who bought buckwheat all?) Then the question is, why is buckwheat exactly?)
              Tolstoy with sour?))) You need to be able to think, at least a little. I explain. In connection with the epidemic of coronavirus, production fell in the world, especially in China, respectively, and oil and gas consumption, in connection with this, an excess of goods appeared on the market and prices collapsed. And the fact that Russia started a war with OPEC is a bonus, but oil would have collapsed without it.
              1. d1m1drol
                d1m1drol 21 March 2020 15: 53 New
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                Logical chain, I agree. But still, our production does not get up .. for now, so that small and medium-sized businesses are still moving. For example, today I’m going to a concert to spite the coronovirus) Life goes on, without panic)
                1. Karaul14
                  Karaul14 21 March 2020 16: 09 New
                  -29
                  Quote: d1m1drol
                  Logical chain, I agree. But still, our production does not get up .. for now, so that small and medium-sized businesses are still moving.
                  It doesn’t even matter. In short, the Russian economy is completely dependent on Europe and China; if they have problems, Russia also has problems, since they are the main buyers of Russian energy resources and its breadwinners.
                  1. Arkon
                    Arkon 21 March 2020 18: 00 New
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                    Quote: Karaul14
                    Russia's economy is completely dependent on Europe and China, if they have problems, Russia also has problems,


                    Basically, of course. However, you need to understand the details. In a crisis, with a reduction in production and consumption, it becomes especially important to save on purchases. This means that the struggle for the price is becoming downright fanatical. The consumption of resources "in general" will not disappear. "Extra" expenses will disappear. And here, it should be noted, Russia has a very good position. It is in the price dumping. We will definitely compete for a sharply decreasing "piece". Does anyone else claim it besides us? Wellcome, as they say. Into the ring. smile
                    1. Karaul14
                      Karaul14 22 March 2020 08: 03 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Arkon
                      And here, it should be noted, Russia has a very good position. It is in the price dumping. We will definitely compete for a sharply decreasing "piece".
                      The cost of oil production in Russia is quite high, it is unlikely to fight for dumping, especially with the Saudis ...
                      1. Arkon
                        Arkon 22 March 2020 08: 39 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Karaul14
                        The cost of oil production in Russia is quite high,


                        Of course, this is not so.

                        Quote: Karaul14
                        hardly fight for dumping, especially with the Saudis ...


                        The Saudis may find themselves out of the ring at all. The Houthis may suddenly have a couple hundred more "homemade drones". wink
                      2. Karaul14
                        Karaul14 22 March 2020 11: 35 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Arkon
                        Of course, this is not so.
                        25 dollars in Russia, 10 in Saudi Arabia. It’s you who hacked them, despite the fact that they can increase production much more and their production is cheaper. Just then come with a beaten face and sign an agreement with OPEC on their terms, then oil will grow a little.
                      3. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 22 March 2020 11: 52 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Karaul14
                        25 dollars in Russia, 10 in Saudi Arabia

                        $ 80-85 - necessary for a CA deficit-free budget. $ 40 - for the Russian Federation.

                        Katya, calm down. There are many more variables in this equation, and not all of them are pleasant for you.
                      4. Karaul14
                        Karaul14 23 March 2020 06: 49 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        There are many more variables in this equation, and not all of them are pleasant for you.
                        They are well understood by the Saudis, because their company Aramco is the most expensive in the world, but given the failures of Gazprom and Rosneft, these variables are not particularly clear to them, because instead of experts, they are put in place of Putin’s friends.
                      5. Arkon
                        Arkon 23 March 2020 09: 01 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Karaul14
                        They are well understood by the Saudis, because their company Aramco is the most expensive in the world,


                        Life does not teach you anything ... However, this is your choice and we accept it.
          2. Graz
            Graz 21 March 2020 18: 39 New
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            you are absolutely an ignoramus in the economy, your Ukrainian economy is raw based on agricultural exports and will fall just like the rest, and given that 30% of the currency is brought to you by zarabotchans, you will default, because more of these receipts are not expected for a long time
            1. 210ox
              210ox 21 March 2020 20: 11 New
              +3
              Where are they going to go? They will approach the IMF with flat trousers. They will exalt.
              1. private person
                private person 21 March 2020 22: 07 New
                +1
                Where are they going to go? Will approach the IMF with the trousers deflated

                Well, in the near future, they should not even meddle with the IMF; the coronavirus is raging in Europe. But Russia can again provide free assistance to the "fraternal people."
            2. orionvitt
              orionvitt 21 March 2020 21: 03 New
              +2
              enterprises of critical industrial infrastructure should operate in the country ... The rest should be closed
              The main goal of the Maidan is finally realized in full. I think that they would have managed without coronavirus. But with him faster.
            3. Karaul14
              Karaul14 22 March 2020 08: 00 New
              -3
              Quote: Graz
              you are absolutely an ignoramus in the economy, your Ukrainian economy is raw based on agricultural exports and will fall just like the rest, and given that 30% of the currency is brought to you by zarabotchans, you will default, because more of these receipts are not expected for a long time
              I am already too lazy to answer the same thing, especially since 20 comments have come. I'll try more diverse. Even if this were true, then it’s okay, Russia will pay, the next 5 years at 3 billion a year for transit, it should, regardless of whether it pumps it or not)))
              1. Pathos
                Pathos 22 March 2020 11: 01 New
                0
                So Russia can put big and fat on this business laughing Cancel all payments, close the valve tightly since there is a good excuse that the virus-quaterus steers. The epidemic, you know, force majeure all over the world. And who can force a country with a nuclear club to pay ??? Or put forward any ultimatums ??? Well, they will whine a little, express concern and then wag their tail. Now the whole world is not up to Ukraine. If the IMF gives them another tranche, then it will be enough to pay for the previous tranche laughing Well, maybe still retired. In this country, all production was killed tightly and the soap bubble should burst sometime. And they don’t pay debts to just one Donbass to all railway workers in the DPR and they paid billions taking into account the penalty for 6 years and this is only for one industry, and if we take the miners' metallurgists as full TRINDEC, they owe so much that they don’t get out of the debt hole, but to restore what they broke and there are generally Trilliards. One salvation is the sale of land but this is also not for long. Ukrainian economy is like in a bathroom with a crocodile Interesting - but not for long laughing And with such arrangements, Ukraine may not be able to reach the end of this year.
              2. Karaul14
                Karaul14 22 March 2020 11: 16 New
                0
                Quote: Paphos
                So Russia can put big and fat on this business
                Who told you that? 3 billion paid in debt in court, a contract for 5 years was signed, and this is a month after they said that they would not agree to such conditions. How, normally put?
              3. Pathos
                Pathos 22 March 2020 11: 24 New
                -1
                It would have to be put would be political will. Turks under the USSR also wanted to close the Bosphorus. Only they were hinted that instead of one strait it could become 3 laughing And let's not forget that in this matter we made concessions to Europe and not to our neighbor. No matter how you finish building up the 2nd thread of the pipe, you can also break the contract.
              4. Karaul14
                Karaul14 22 March 2020 11: 28 New
                -1
                You don't understand the situation well. It is you who need to sell oil and gas, not to buy them, but to sell to you, because this is the "bread" of Russia. And "cut off gas, break contracts" will be more YOUR problems, the price increase by 10% will the Europeans survive, will Russia survive the absence of 50% of its income? He laughed about the straits and nuclear weapons, no one, of course, would even dare to use them.
              5. Pathos
                Pathos 22 March 2020 11: 34 New
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                Who is talking about Europe. Talking about a neighbor with him will be severed by supply and transit contracts. There are 2 flows, the second thread makes Germany a monopolist in the gas market in Europe. I don’t think Germany will refuse such a tidbit of pie, Gazprom shares overslept back in 2014 laughing
  2. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 21 March 2020 20: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Karaul14
    It doesn’t even matter. In short, the Russian economy is completely dependent on Europe and China; if they have problems, Russia also has problems

    In short, both Europe and China are dependent on Russia ... Why? I am sure you understand ... Money is an international instrument, a breeding ground for the economy ...
  3. venik
    venik 21 March 2020 21: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: Karaul14
    In short, the Russian economy is completely dependent on Europe and China

    ========
    Yah? COMPLETELY? Maybe still at least "half" ??? crying
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 21 March 2020 17: 24 New
    0
    Quote: d1m1drol
    For example, today I’m going to a concert to spite the coronovirus

    At the concert will be no more than 50 people?
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 21 March 2020 17: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      Quote: d1m1drol
      For example, today I’m going to a concert to spite the coronovirus

      At the concert will be no more than 50 people?

      The main thing is that bats do not fly in the darkness of the hall,
      nobody caught them and didn’t eat them secretly smile
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 March 2020 17: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
        The main thing is that bats do not fly in the darkness of the hall,
        nobody caught them

        The GRU themselves will catch whom they want.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 21 March 2020 20: 13 New
      +1
      In our village was supposed to perform ... Muromov. I forgot a sinful thing about this miracle. what The concert was canceled .. In the village, Karl! In the village.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 March 2020 20: 25 New
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        Muromov. I forgot a sinful thing about this miracle.

        I apples in the snow. I don’t remember anything else that he sang. recourse
        1. 210ox
          210ox 21 March 2020 20: 27 New
          +4
          Yes, he sings a lot of things .. But the voice .. All the same goat under plywood.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 21 March 2020 20: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          All the same goat under plywood.

          laughing good
      2. kventinasd
        kventinasd 21 March 2020 21: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        I apples in the snow. I don’t remember anything else that he sang.

        There was something else about the strange woman. wassat
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 March 2020 21: 47 New
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        Quote: kventinasd
        There was something else about the strange woman.

        Come on, we mock talent. It was played late on New Year’s Eve, I seemed to fall asleep because of it, although I wanted to record something from the TV set.
  • voodoo123
    voodoo123 21 March 2020 19: 02 New
    -8
    To do something in spite ... the incomprehensible logic of a Russian person
  • Iwan_de
    Iwan_de 22 March 2020 08: 29 New
    +1
    And you are in vain! In Germany. Only grocery stores and pharmacies work. Public transport schedules work schedule intervals. In short everything is at a minimum. I got a pass from work. Just in case of fire.
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 21 March 2020 18: 08 New
    +6
    Quote: Karaul14
    You need to be able to think, at least a little.

    Katya, baby, this is definitely not yours. yes What, Antares was blown away, so launched another reincarnation? It was not necessary at all, for it is recognizable for 1000 km - both in style and smell.
  • Harry.km
    Harry.km 21 March 2020 20: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: Karaul14
    I explain. Due to the coronavirus epidemic, production has fallen in the world, especially in China,

    Your info is late. China today already dismisses health workers as they begin to restore production. And knowing their hard work and perseverance, we can assume that they will increase consumption in a couple of weeks. But even on this news, oil has gone up.
  • alexmach
    alexmach 21 March 2020 20: 07 New
    +2
    and where does the coronovirus and the price of oil?)

    Hello to you, but how did it all start with oil prices?
    Due to the coronovirus, production is closing, a general economic downturn is expected, the demand for fuel is declining, and accordingly, the price is decreasing.

    PS: no, the assertion that the economy of Ukraine is not raw was certainly strong. It is clear that in Ukraine it will still be even worse, but this does not make it much easier.
  • Alexy
    Alexy 21 March 2020 15: 44 New
    23
    Three times ha ha!
    How is the Ukrainian economy not a commodity ???
    Or is grain, ore and coal not raw materials, but high-tech products?
    1. Karaul14
      Karaul14 21 March 2020 15: 58 New
      -36
      Quote: Alexy
      Three times ha ha!
      How is the Ukrainian economy not a commodity ???
      Or is grain, ore and coal not raw materials, but high-tech products?
      Energy resources Ukraine mainly imports, not sells. And about grain, this is an agricultural economy, not a raw economy, yes, it goes nearby, but, for example, if you canned corn in a jar, you already get a product with high added value. But the problem of Russia is that it has a mono-economy, that is, oil and gas is the basis, in Ukraine it’s not even the case with the agricultural sector + again, I already described here the reasons why oil and gas prices fell, but people from coronavirus eat less will not stop.
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 21 March 2020 17: 30 New
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        Quote: Karaul14
        [Ukraine mainly imports, rather than sells, energy resources. And about grain, this is an agricultural economy, not a raw economy, yes, it goes nearby, but, for example, if you canned corn in a jar, you already get a product with high added value. But the problem of Russia is that it has a mono-economy, that is, oil and gas is the basis, in Ukraine it’s not even the case with the agricultural sector + again, I already described here the reasons why oil and gas prices fell, but people from coronavirus eat less will not stop.


        You hope from Ukraine, and therefore stupidly from patriotic motives wrote this nonsense ?! Ukraine is in default, although it does not recognize this, and now Ukraine has also created a collapse in the field of public transport.

        You did not describe why the price of oil fell, you projected the ravings of some idiot from the Internet :) Energy prices should have fallen, sooner or later; for artificially supporting them for a long time would still fail.

        Dear my advice, read books :)
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 21 March 2020 18: 13 New
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          Quote: Voletsky
          You hope from Ukraine, and therefore stupidly from patriotic motives wrote this nonsense ?!

          Oh yes, this is the Military Review "old tumor", one dimwitted underdog.
          It was once Catherine2, after - Antares, now here - a full guard. laughing People are not even on a salary - it is such in life. yes
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 21 March 2020 18: 24 New
            +3
            Quote: Paranoid50
            It was once Catherine 2, after - Antares,

            Crystal in person yes Again Aunt Parasya lost weight in relation to the Russian Federation When will she finally mature? wassat
          2. Voltsky
            Voltsky 21 March 2020 18: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: Paranoid50
            Quote: Voletsky
            You hope from Ukraine, and therefore stupidly from patriotic motives wrote this nonsense ?!

            Oh yes, this is the Military Review "old tumor", one dimwitted underdog.
            It was once Catherine2, after - Antares, now here - a full guard. laughing People are not even on a salary - it is such in life. yes

            what nonsense ?! A man drowns for his country, it’s really good ... Just a man blindly believes, I would even say he hopes that his sobbing one will survive; or a fool :)
            1. Karaul14
              Karaul14 22 March 2020 08: 15 New
              -3
              Quote: Voletsky
              what nonsense ?! Man drowns for his country
              I adhere to the principle of justice and objectivity rather than belonging to any country.
        2. Karaul14
          Karaul14 22 March 2020 08: 04 New
          -4
          Quote: Voletsky
          Energy prices should have fallen, sooner or later; for artificially supporting them for a long time would still fail.
          Should have been, that's why your ingenious leadership all these years planted Russia on an oil needle)))
          1. Voltsky
            Voltsky 22 March 2020 09: 34 New
            +1
            Tut my friend drink what you prescribed; look seems to cease :)

            No one is hooking a needle, it’s for schoolchildren and the infantile wimp that it’s for certain that at the click of a finger, high-value-added businesses or just high-tech ones appear.
            But ordinary people, deprived of this bliss know that all this must be worked out for a very long time, attracting brains and investors; and then to build all this even longer, to expand production, and then to seek and capture the markets for their products.
            And I ask you to pay attention, precisely to capture sales markets; sometimes even a company of soldiers can be adjusted to provide "free competition"
            1. Karaul14
              Karaul14 22 March 2020 11: 21 New
              -1
              Quote: Voletsky
              And I ask you to pay attention, precisely to capture sales markets; sometimes even a company of soldiers can be adjusted to provide "free competition"
              So all your pipes go through enemies, except for the Nord Stream, which the United States at the click of a finger stopped. Captured the markets?))) Okay, you are arguing here, there is no strategic thinking, well, you don’t need it, as the Kremlin also reasoned))).
              Sorry, where will the company of soldiers go? You will be knocked out of the market by pin dosos with your own LNG and oil, will you fight them?)))
              1. Voltsky
                Voltsky 22 March 2020 11: 36 New
                0
                young man take my advice and drink the prescribed medications, and then you can stop attributing me to the Kremlin and Russia :)

                This figurative expression, about a company of soldiers - sometimes a simple bribe, opens the gates of the fortress :) In general, promoting a product on the market doesn’t say that it is simple and takes a lot of time and effort; and different approaches are required. You can ask any product distributor manager.

                You are stupid and there is no point in discussing with you, because your idea is fixed - "Rashka will have problems, but in Ukraine everything will be fine, but why ?! but because I think so." At the moment, your country has been in de facto default since 2018, and this crisis is unlikely to benefit the agonizing state.
              2. Karaul14
                Karaul14 23 March 2020 06: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Voletsky
                You are stupid and there is no point in discussing with you, because your idea is fixed - "Rashka will have problems, but in Ukraine everything will be fine, but why ?! but because I think so."
                I didn’t write anything like that, on the contrary, I replied to the remark in the style of “Ukraine will freeze, but everything will be fine with us,” given the dependence on oil prices, Russia will suffer more in this crisis.

                Quote: Voletsky
                sometimes a simple bribe
                Purely in the style of Russia, but those who took it and plunged into it became a political freak in the West, such as Schroeder and the same Le Pen.
    2. Voltsky
      Voltsky 21 March 2020 17: 41 New
      +4
      ps Morgan Stanley says sell Ukrainian bonds - smart uncles, and the coolest brokers in the world say that Ukraine will not be able to import anything because there will be no pennies :) So there will be an agricultural superpower; if it doesn’t change within 5 years, it won’t be: And this is a reason to think about it.
    3. evgic
      evgic 21 March 2020 18: 12 New
      16
      For the mentally retarded, the share of oil and gas revenues in the budget of the Russian Federation is 35%. Russian grain produces more than two suburbs and sells, also more. He also sells chicken, meat and milk. And also combines, machine tools and dofiga what else. Outskirts except agricultural products do not sell and cannot sell. Economist figs
      1. guerrilla
        guerrilla 21 March 2020 18: 26 New
        -7
        Quote: evgic
        Machines

        What sells? ... Machine tools? Hmm ...
        And not 35, 43%
      2. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 21 March 2020 18: 39 New
        -8
        and where and what kind of machine tools does Russia sell, here you have too much
      3. private person
        private person 21 March 2020 19: 49 New
        -7
        And also combines, machine tools and dofiga what else.

        You urgently need a doctor, your nonsense begins or spring exacerbation.
      4. 210ox
        210ox 21 March 2020 20: 22 New
        -7
        You turned down about machines. Yes, and about harvesters too a little. The factory in Rostov and the screwdriver assembly of German equipment in Krasnodar operate on the domestic market. In the foreign market, we can not compete with the Chinese because of the price.
        1. kventinasd
          kventinasd 21 March 2020 21: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: 210ox
          The factory in Rostov and the screwdriver assembly of German equipment in Krasnodar operate on the domestic market.

          In fact, Rostov harvesters have long been working in the fields of many countries, including the states who are happy to buy them
      5. Karaul14
        Karaul14 22 March 2020 08: 09 New
        -4
        Quote: evgic
        share of oil and gas revenues in the budget of the Russian Federation 35%
        I think somewhere around 50%, but even if you take 35% and with such a fall in prices, if the budget is not calculated, 5% is already a collapse, and here are the numbers.
    4. Pathos
      Pathos 22 March 2020 17: 36 New
      0
      And where did sugar factories go in Ukraine? Ukraine took the 1st place in the world, where the plants will answer the sawed metal laughing and now they drive the wooded sugar beet to the west for processing for a penny, and they could sell sugar to them only to drive the fowl from the beet. laughing And where did the oil mills go ???? In every city, it was like everything was closed; but where did the dairies go to the collective farms, too, sawed the metal here, near my city, the former collective farm millionaire now you know how many big-horned he has as many as forty heads who they milk ???? All supermarket shelves are crammed with milk. All agriculture drives raw materials west for a penny and gains fuel and equipment in dollars what profit will it be here ???? But didn’t Yushchenko ruin the bank Ukraine ???? And it was a bank directly supporting the agricultural sector of Ukraine. It remains to sell the land and Ukrainians can safely go to Holland to trade asses laughing So in fact, Ukraine is the same commodity country with Deshmanian slave force. Only those who travel with earnings do not pay taxes to the budget and carry their money to the store on a single tax. And where to get the money for pensions, salaries of state employees? Taxes can be paid only by large enterprises metallurgy iron mines all that remains is mechanical engineering has already been killed and the iron is being prepared to be auctioned off. So stand Ukraine with outstretched hands until the end of their days.
  • sniperino
    sniperino 21 March 2020 18: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexy
    Or is grain, ore and coal not raw materials, but high-tech products?
    And the forest ?! And the earth ?! From all this, you can make such high-tech technology rumble ....
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 21 March 2020 15: 47 New
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    Quote: Karaul14
    The Ukrainian economy is not a raw material

    Yes she in general, the economy is not. Post-industrial utopia.
    1. Karaul14
      Karaul14 23 March 2020 06: 44 New
      -1
      Quote: Insurgent
      Post-industrial utopia.
      He wanted to insult, but made a compliment. Learn the terms before you write.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 21 March 2020 15: 51 New
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    Quote: Karaul14
    The Ukrainian economy is not a raw material

    Definitely.
    It is not even an economy.
    One hope is to start selling land

    And for this really quarantine is not a hindrance. On the contrary, fewer protesters
    1. Karaul14
      Karaul14 21 March 2020 15: 52 New
      -22
      Quote: Spade
      One hope is to start selling land

      And for this really quarantine is not a hindrance. On the contrary, fewer protesters
      So, in Russia, the agricultural land market has long been allowed. I do not see a protest. Why say something if you don't understand?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 21 March 2020 15: 55 New
        +8
        Quote: Karaul14
        So, in Russia, the agricultural land market has long been allowed.

        8)))))))
        You are sometimes distracted from the globe of Ukraine.
        Russia has 80% of agricultural land in the risky farming zone. Carrot beds, and under them on three bayonets shovels are permafrost.
        So Russia does not threaten the total purchase of agricultural land.
        1. Karaul14
          Karaul14 21 March 2020 16: 02 New
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          Quote: Spade
          Russia has 80% of agricultural land in the risky farming zone. Carrot beds, and under them on three bayonets shovels are permafrost.
          So Russia does not threaten the total purchase of agricultural land.
          Well, that means buying up, or already bought up the remaining 20%, less land - more reason to worry))) ... well, for those who are worried about this.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 21 March 2020 16: 08 New
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            Quote: Karaul14
            Well, then buy, or have already bought the remaining 20%

            Yeah. In the south of Russia. Buy- I do not want 8))))
            Once again, use a normal globe.
        2. Karaul14
          Karaul14 21 March 2020 16: 05 New
          -22
          Quote: Spade
          You are sometimes distracted from the globe of Ukraine.
          I advise you to do the same, the Chinese cut down half the taiga, and you are worried about the opening of the agricultural land market in Ukraine.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 21 March 2020 16: 09 New
            19
            Quote: Karaul14
            the Chinese half the taiga cut down

            And read less Censor.
            Who knows better the situation in Siberia than those who live there.
            1. Karaul14
              Karaul14 21 March 2020 16: 11 New
              -14
              Quote: Spade
              Who knows better the situation in Siberia than those who live there.
              It is enough to go into Google map and look from the satellite, they cut it out so much in pieces, not in a continuous manner that the whole picture was normal until you bring it closer. The scale is astounding. They wrote about this on Russian resources.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 21 March 2020 16: 16 New
                11
                Quote: Karaul14
                Just go to google map and look from the satellite

                ... and immediately see the characteristic cut of the eyes of loggers 8))))))))))))))))
                It seems that only in comedians Ukraine does not experience a deficit ...

                This is how the local forest mafia took, and even allowed the visiting Chinese from under their noses to take the forest away ... In the taiga, where the "bear prosecutor" ... Ha ha ha ...
              2. Karaul14
                Karaul14 21 March 2020 16: 21 New
                -19
                Quote: Spade
                .and immediately see the characteristic cut of the eyes of loggers 8))))))))))))))))
                It seems that only in comedians Ukraine does not experience a deficit ...
                Denial - anger - acceptance.
              3. Lopatov
                Lopatov 21 March 2020 16: 30 New
                11
                Quote: Karaul14
                Denial - anger - acceptance.

                Accept the ranting of the amateur, on google maps determining the nationality of the lumberjacks?
                Dismiss ....
              4. mvg
                mvg 21 March 2020 18: 13 New
                -16
                ranting amateur

                Shovels, I'm sorry, you are not a very smart person. Not biased. Only my opinion.
              5. Lopatov
                Lopatov 21 March 2020 18: 18 New
                +9
                Quote: mvg
                Shovels, I'm sorry, you are not a very smart person. Not biased. Only my opinion.

                I do not believe that you can determine the nationality of a lumberjack by google maps?
                Do you believe, and therefore consider yourself a smart person?
                Well done.
                The main thing is do not remove the saucepan from your head. In extreme cases, a foil hat ...
              6. smile
                smile 21 March 2020 20: 07 New
                +5
                mvg
                Hello.
                I also express my personal and also absolutely unbiased opinion :)))) So no offense, right? :)))
                Sorry, but when people like Khenia begin to praise Lopatov, he’s really tense. :))))
                Thank God, while you are pathetically trying to scold him, it means that everything is fine with Lopatov. :)))
                And yes, his advice is to remove CastRule from your head - in no case do it - firstly, it suits you, and secondly - if you remove it, you instantly become depressed - a pink veil will fall from your eye, the thinker will work ... how then to live? Is not it? :)))))
                Be healthy.
                Goodbye.
          2. Shkworen
            Shkworen 21 March 2020 17: 32 New
            12
            But what about the situation with the forest in the Carpathians? :)
        3. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 21 March 2020 18: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Spade
          This is how the local forest mafia took, and even allowed the visiting Chinese from under their noses to take the forest away ... In the taiga, where the "bear prosecutor" ... Ha ha ha ...

          Mafia affiliation determines only the direction of the withdrawal of money;
          the direction of export of roundwood does not change.
        4. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 March 2020 18: 22 New
          +8
          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          Mafia Affiliation

          You see, it's not even the mafia there. it's harder there. There are people who live from the forest. Generations. Who can point to a growth on a cedar and say "my grandfather beat with a mallet here"
          They lived like this under kings, under councils, under democrats ...
          And then they say that "the visiting Chinese have cut down the entire forest" .... This is not serious.
        5. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 21 March 2020 18: 34 New
          -1
          Quote: Spade
          You see, there’s not even a mafia. it's harder there. There are people who live from the forest.

          Agree, the volume of cutting for the purchase of motorboats and for the purchase of a yacht - vary.
          Quote: Spade
          Generations. Who can point to the growth on the cedar and say "my grandfather beat here with a mallet"

          They can say: "But these scars on the cedars from the rear side of my father's GAZ-51."
          And then, in a muffled voice, "but the stumps of my work."
        6. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 March 2020 18: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          Agree, the volume of cutting for the purchase of motorboats and for the purchase of a yacht - vary.

          And who told you that they don’t want to earn a yacht?

          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          They can say: "But these scars on the cedars from the rear side of my father's GAZ-51."
          And then, in a muffled voice, "but the stumps of my work."

          Yeah ...
          Slaughter a chicken laying golden eggs? Roughly, one tree per season 10-20 kg of walnut, a kilogram of kernels and a half thousand rubles.
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 21 March 2020 19: 46 New
    +1
    But to ban the export of round timber for a long time, it’s an alternative to it to build woodworking enterprises in the region
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 March 2020 16: 20 New
    -11
    Although the surname corresponds to agricultural work, judging by the text, I have never held a shovel in my hands. Do not confuse the Arctic with all of Russia. I even dug a well, but never found permafrost. So lie, yes, know the measure freak. fool
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 March 2020 16: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: Ros 56
      I even dug a well, but never found permafrost.

      All right.
      Indicate where exactly under Irkutsk you dug a well.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 21 March 2020 16: 26 New
        -9
        And then why talk about the whole of Russia?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 March 2020 16: 31 New
          +6
          Why do I need to know the Russian language?
          Do you have a problem with it?
          I wrote somewhere about "permafrost throughout Russia"?
      2. Vovser
        Vovser 22 March 2020 05: 09 New
        0
        I in Angarsk, in the Kitoy microdistrict, scored a pipe three meters in length, put a pump and water in the house. And the local people really cut down the forest. Because you want to eat. And I know one local wood magnate who buys plots, rafts down the Angara to Angarsk. Loads in wagons, and the OPA sends to China. At least until the coronovirus
  • Voltsky
    Voltsky 21 March 2020 17: 31 New
    -3
    Quote: Spade

    You are sometimes distracted from the globe of Ukraine.
    Russia has 80% of agricultural land in the risky farming zone. Carrot beds, and under them on three bayonets shovels are permafrost.
    So Russia does not threaten the total purchase of agricultural land.


    Sit down 5 !!! :)
  • Infinity
    Infinity 21 March 2020 15: 57 New
    10
    Quote: Karaul14
    Everyone will have problems in the economy
    Who is arguing? It has already begun all over the world. wassat
    Quote: Karaul14
    Russian economies
    So far, all hope for the NWF, which, as promised, will last about 5 years. And after that, you will have to re-budget for $ 25 per barrel.
    But it seems to me that all this will end earlier. The coronovirus is not eternal, and the economy after the recession will begin to grow anyway, sooner or later, in China already, and the demand for energy will increase. + Many countries will not be able to withstand such a low price for so long, shales will begin to curtail, the development of expensive deposits will stop, etc. Therefore, prices will stabilize sooner or later.
    Quote: Karaul14
    The Ukrainian economy is not a raw material economy; it’s a reasonable decision to introduce strict quarantine, while there are not a lot of cases and not waiting for the situation in Italy.
    Yes, but when enterprises cannot work, as their workers cannot reach, and demand falls on most goods, it is very painful economically.
    Well, quarantine is understandable. It's just that there is a choice between two evils. Obviously, Ukrainian medicine is weaker than Italian, and the consequences of the epidemic will be more serious. And the price of quarantine is an economy, and so weak in Ukraine. Now just a question about the power of the consequences.

    PS: Well, quite a bit of humor in these turbulent times, so, for the mood. Yesterday I found on the Internet laughing
  • Artemy Morozov
    Artemy Morozov 21 March 2020 16: 14 New
    +5
    Summed up? The main and only income of Ukraine from the transportation of energy resources. The second - from stuffing zarobitchan in Russia. Exist solely by the will of Russia, good. Hold the minus!
    1. Karaul14
      Karaul14 21 March 2020 16: 20 New
      -15
      Yes, all the same, to my minuses, I write what I think. It is clear that now everyone will fly, given the audience, the answer is still interesting and so far in power.
      Quote: Artemy Morozov
      The main and only income of Ukraine from the transportation of energy resources. The second - from stuffing zarobitchan in Russia.
      It is clear that this is nonsense and this is not so. But as for transit, I can say that even in Kiev, strategic planning is higher than in Russia with its Turkish and northern flows, although it should be the other way around, the price for transit was fixed and the minimum required volumes were included in the contract, that is, Kiev oil and gas prices do not wave from the word at all, the less the better.
      1. reader65
        reader65 21 March 2020 21: 34 New
        -2
        Gazprom managers are enemies of the people of Russia.
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 21 March 2020 16: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Artemy Morozov
      The second - from stuffing zarobitchan in Russia.

      Well, not only in Russia, but also about the order of priority, it’s someone like - "This is exactly the force that keeps the national economy afloat" - Tymoshenko about the transfers of workers ...
  • Voltsky
    Voltsky 21 March 2020 17: 11 New
    +4
    Quote: Karaul14
    - rational decision.

    Well, from your point of view, probably a reasonable solution, but questions arise precisely to your rationality :)
    Firstly, Kuev is a city of a millionaire, without well-equipped infrastructure for cyclists, let’s say the Netherlands, therefore, people will not get to work on bicycles; and it’s not entirely clear how old people would ride them at that time.
    Secondly, one must understand that there will be black carriers that are not accountable, and with unsanitary conditions ... However, when I was there the last time, the unsanitary conditions in transport were a kind of fleur of Ukraine.
    ps examples can be built on 3 volumes, why this is not reasonable.
  • Horon
    Horon 21 March 2020 17: 51 New
    +3
    It is an agricultural economy (read raw materials), which means that there will also be problems.
  • pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 22 March 2020 08: 47 New
    +1
    Chi, chi melon, chi genyk?
    Russia's commodity economy continues to make airplanes, nuclear power plants (the world monopolist), build a fleet, process raw materials ...
    What about Ukraine? Selling the latest engine factory to China?
  • alexmach
    alexmach 21 March 2020 15: 46 New
    +4
    I feel Khan of the Ukrainian economy

    She seems to be everywhere in the world of the khan. In Europe, for example, car factories stood up in the states too.
    Yes, and even loans, then consider it was gone ...

    Thank God there is no such danger - they do not give loans there.
  • Orkraider
    Orkraider 21 March 2020 14: 55 New
    10
    I think they have no choice, and therefore they introduce.
    In Moscow alone there are more than 5000 ventilation devices in the State Clinical Hospital (I don’t take private ones), plus devices in the operating rooms and a reserve.
    And in Kiev, medicine feels worse, but on a private one (by the way, it’s not bad, in the conditions of this particular situation it is impossible to leave).

    We have plus quick actions for the preparation and re-profiling of the clinical hospital, will be introduced, for every fireman. And groups from the regions come to study, and go back, locally training new groups and preparing for reprofiling.
    So far, no obvious mistakes have been made, as well as panic attacks.
    I would like to add brains to people, so that recommendations are respected and discipline, they do not carry fakes and support the elderly.
    1. Orkraider
      Orkraider 21 March 2020 15: 03 New
      29
      And also, I’m proud that such people live next to us. I am proud of them, their parents, and I am glad that the case of Timur and his team is not forgotten))


      I bow to them.
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 21 March 2020 15: 10 New
        14
        Quote: Orkraider
        And also, I’m proud that such people live next to us. I am proud of them, their parents, and I am glad that the case of Timur and his team is not forgotten))

        Yes, this is indeed a role model! good
        Quote: Orkraider
        I bow to them.

        I join!
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 21 March 2020 16: 17 New
          +3
          This is not for Banderlog, this is the Soviet legacy. So, "sha" on this topic.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 21 March 2020 16: 20 New
            +6
            Quote: Ros 56
            This is not for banderlogs, this is the Soviet legacy

            And what - among Ukrainians there are no longer those born in the USSR?
            Quote: Ros 56
            So, "sha" on this topic.

            What a fright?
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 21 March 2020 16: 25 New
              0
              The question is not for me, but for the decommunisers, for those for whom everything Soviet is banned. No need to pretend to be a felt boot.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 21 March 2020 16: 36 New
                +3
                But I didn’t pretend to be a felt boot. wink
                Quote: Ros 56
                The question is not for me, but for the decommunisers, for those for whom everything Soviet is banned.

                Yes, an armored train to meet those who deny their past. Here is my opinion.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 21 March 2020 18: 22 New
              0
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              What a fright?

              The ones who stayed with them already need help themselves, they are all over 60.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 21 March 2020 18: 41 New
                +5
                Quote: tihonmarine
                they are all over 60 and older

                Correct if I am mistaken: the USSR fell apart not 60, not 50, and not even 40 years ago. I am 42 years old and the times of the Soviet Union. I remember well and remember without anger or hatred. I think that not only in Ukraine there are the same ones.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 21 March 2020 19: 00 New
                  +1
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  I am 42 years old and the times of the Soviet Union. I remember well and remember without anger or hatred. I think that not only in Ukraine there are the same ones.

                  People of this age from Ukraine earn their living abroad, "migrant workers", they do not stay at home.
                  1. Dmitry Ukraine
                    Dmitry Ukraine 21 March 2020 19: 59 New
                    +2
                    Well, not all, all the same))) Although, objectively, after 2014 and the accelerating decline in our industrial production, especially high-tech, the number of such people has increased by a factor.
                  2. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 21 March 2020 21: 40 New
                    +1
                    To begin with, I'm not from Ukraine. Already a puncture. wink I'm from Belarus . And I have not been and will not be a "migrant worker". Questions?
                2. Orkraider
                  Orkraider 22 March 2020 15: 23 New
                  +1
                  hi
                  Everywhere there are such. A sane person cannot remember the Union badly. drinks
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 22 March 2020 15: 41 New
                    +2
                    Glad to meet a like-minded person. drinks
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 21 March 2020 16: 15 New
        -8
        Hey uncle, be careful with Timur, this is the Soviet Union, and you have this taboo. Yes, and decommunization against Timurovites, so do not cling to it, otherwise banderlogs will quickly pound on turnips.
        1. LMN
          LMN 21 March 2020 16: 39 New
          10
          Quote: Ros 56
          Hey uncle, be careful with Timur, this is the Soviet Union, and you have this taboo. Yes, and decommunization against Timurovites, so do not cling to it, otherwise banderlogs will quickly pound on turnips.

          How freely you express yourself. How easily you fit people into frames .. what
          Does this remind you of anything? Remind me how it ended?
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 21 March 2020 16: 44 New
            +1
            As do not say banderlogy in the face of his clown-president has already expressed. Yes, and I did not demolish the Soviet monuments. So it is not necessary to fight in the VO, but at home with Bandera creatures and not to hell offended pretend to be.
      3. mvg
        mvg 21 March 2020 21: 17 New
        -2
        Ipanutai. Where to send buckwheat?
        1. Orkraider
          Orkraider 22 March 2020 15: 30 New
          0
          Ipanutai. Where to send buckwheat?

          Help those who are next door to you. And not buckwheat, but regularly, for example, dairy products, herbs. Not for yours, for their money, you need to give only time and willingness to participate .. and this is more expensive than money, by the way ..
          And do not insult the person who helps. It does not paint.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 21 March 2020 15: 24 New
      12
      Quote: Orkraider
      I think they have no choice, and therefore they introduce.

      quite right: the situation in Moldova is about the same: an emergency has been declared, EVERYTHING except food and drugstores is CLOSED, all sitting at home.

      In Italy, in the most infected areas, NO work: accordingly, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and Moldovans rushed home and brought the virus to their relatives and friends. fool

      Therefore, Russia absolutely rightly closed both Ukraine and Moldova: not to let anyone in!
      1. Liam
        Liam 21 March 2020 15: 35 New
        -10
        Quote: Olgovich
        In Italy, in the most infected areas, NO work: accordingly, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and Moldovans rushed home and brought the virus to their relatives and friends

        How scary. Hundreds of thousands .. no work .... quarantine was introduced in Italy 10 days ago. Everyone who is at home because of quarantine is paid by the state a salary of 80% of the usual. Due to the fact that schools are closed and the state pays families 600 or 1000 euros (for health workers and other categories) per month for hiring babysitters — there is a huge demand for these workers as well as for caring for the elderly. Who pulled hundreds of thousands? What kind of transport? With borders closed at all and everywhere?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 21 March 2020 16: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: Liam
          How scary. Hundreds of thousands .. no work .... quarantine introduced in Italy 10 days

          For fear, you are in Bergamo.

          You can also in Milan, which sits home already month.
          Since the twentieth of February, hundreds of thousands have collapsed from there — by airplanes, buses and cars — BEFORE quarantine and closure of borders — read the moldpress
          Quote: Liam
          . Everyone who is sitting at home because of quarantine is paid by the state a salary of 80% of the usual. Due to the fact that schools are closed and the state pays families 600 or 1000 euros per month (health workers and other categories) per month to hire babysitters, there is a huge demand for these women workers as well as caring for the elderly

          Gaster, especially illegal immigrants, it did not threaten: the first case in Moldova was brought by a lady who was kicked out by the daughter of the mistress, whom she looked after, and the host died from the virus, and such ....
          1. Liam
            Liam 21 March 2020 17: 43 New
            -3
            Quote: Olgovich
            you in Bergamo

            Why. All the horrors told in Chisinau porches about storming the closed borders of hundreds of thousands, dreaming of falling as soon as possible under the protection of the native Moldovan health care system about which they know nothing, can be found right here on the website.
            Quote: Olgovich
            Milan who has been home for a month

            Covid-19: DPCM 11 marzo 2020 pubblicato nella Gazzetta Ufficiale n. 64 dell'11 marzo 2020.
            Quote: Olgovich
            it did not threaten

            Try to write less about things you have no idea about.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 March 2020 21: 07 New
              -1
              Quote: Liam
              Why.All the horrors told in Chisinau porches about storming the closed borders of hundreds of thousands, dreaming of falling as soon as possible under the protection of the native Moldovan health care system about which they know nothing, can be found right here on the website.

              To know. At least about the trucks of the Italian army transporting the dead from there to the crematoriums (more than a hundred yesterday)
              Quote: Liam
              Covid-19: DPCM 11 marzo 2020 pubblicato nella Gazzetta Ufficiale n. 64 dell'11 marzo 2020.

              DW from February 26:
              Not only in the so-called "red zone", in which the quarantined provinces of Lombardy and Veneto are located, ...



              2. The influx of Gaster home from the 20th of February is a reality known to everyone in Moldova.
              Like the reasons: there is no work, no insurance, no housing and no one needs

              Got it, no? No.
              and yes:
              Quote: Liam
              Try to write less about things you have no idea about.
              1. Liam
                Liam 21 March 2020 22: 27 New
                -2
                Quote: Olgovich
                known to everyone in Moldova

                This is the usual argument of the grandmothers on the benches at the entrance.
                Quote: Olgovich
                DW February 26

                And what about Milano?
                I say .. do not write on topics that you do not own
                Quote: Olgovich
                truck army of Italy

                So what? This is a common measure in epidemics so that civilian personnel who are not prepared for such measures are not infected. Relatives would have to pay the same civilian funeral services firms, and so the state would bear the costs.

                PySy. Waiting for an angry speech on such a blatant occasion
                Stavropol Chief Infectionist Irina Sannikova hid her trip to Spain and, returning to Russia on March 9, went to work, where she contacted dozens of people. According to preliminary data, for a week the doctor participated in meetings, scientific conferences and gave lectures on the fight against coronavirus, while not observing the mandatory two-week quarantine. On March 17, Sannikova was hospitalized with suspicion of COVID-19 - according to media reports, the first infection test confirmed infection
                This is not some kind of illiterate aunt .. and the whole chief doctor is an infectious disease specialist. What global conclusions can be drawn on this occasion?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 22 March 2020 08: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: Liam
                  This is the usual argument of the grandmothers on the benches at the entrance.

                  lol Yes to sneeze on someone's disbelief. yes
                  Quote: Liam
                  And what about Milano?

                  Quarantine. In February. Relatives LIVE there, in Milan-MONTH they don’t leave home, they deliver food in a package to the doors
                  Again, didn’t get it? belay request
                  then:
                  Quote: Liam
                  do not write on topics you do not own

                  Quote: Liam
                  So what? This is a common measure in epidemics so that civilian personnel who are not prepared for such measures are not infected.

                  Nitsche: funeral workers too already rebooted, the city crematorium does not provide even a fifth of the "needs" - that's why the army was connected to ...
                  Quote: Liam
                  What global conclusions can be drawn on this occasion?

                  And? belay
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 22 March 2020 15: 40 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Quarantine. In February. Relatives LIVE there, in Milan-MONTH they don’t leave home, they deliver food in a package to the doors

                    The stories of grandmothers from the entrance are worse than the virus itself). And who "your relatives" delivers food in bags under the door? Holy spirit?) Calm down. Stores, pharmacies and even newsagents are still open. Some factories and factories closed just last week. Most of them are still open. Like bakeries, municipal services, etc. You have no idea about the real situation and are pushing bikes.

                    Vice President of the Chinese Red Cross, Sun Shuopeng called the measures to combat the pandemic of the coronavirus COVID-19, adopted in Italy, not strict enough, reports the South China Morning post ....

                    The situation in Lombardy right now is similar to what we experienced two months ago in Wuhan. In Wuhan, since the adoption of the blocking policy, we have seen a downward trend in the peak of the disease ....

                    ".... Here in Milan, the most affected area from COVID-19, there is no strict blockage: public transport is still working, people are moving, they have dinner together, they have meetings in hotels, parties and do not wear masks," said the deputy head of Krasny Cross of china


                    Quote: Olgovich
                    therefore the army and connected to

                    It’s useless to demand at least some knowledge from you. I can tell you a secret that Italy is a 60 millionth country with a lot of cities. You undoubtedly own info and kindly tell what horrors are happening in its cities — Roma, Milano, Napoli, Palermo, Torino, Genoa , Venice, Bologna, Firenze, etc. Since you have no idea I can tell you in secret that some of these cities are almost unaffected by the epidemic, in others, there are several hundred infected and deaths number in the tens, and this is because the largest hospitals are concentrated there and bring patients from all over the region.
                    The main focus of the epidemic is a small trugolnik in Lombardy (but not Milano itself) made up of the cities of Bergamo, Brescia and Lodi. This region causes about 80% of infected and about 70% of deaths throughout the country.
                    The average age of the dead is 80 years. Half of them have 3 chronic diseases. The rest have 1 or 2.
                    80% of all deceased people are old people from several private hospices located in this area where the virus penetrated (and it will take more than one head to fly when this is over). These are very old and seriously ill people - Alzheimer, Parkinson, oncology, kidneys on dialysis , senile dementia and the like diseases. These are seriously ill people, many of whom, due to these diseases, cannot even say that they are ill.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 22 March 2020 17: 02 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Liam
                      The stories of grandmothers from the entrance are worse than the virus itself). And who "your relatives" delivers food in bags under the door? Holy Spirit?)

                      Yes yes
                      Quote: Liam
                      Take it easy.Shops, pharmacies and even newspaper kiosks are still open. Some of the plants and factories have closed only last week. Most of them are open now.Like bakeries, municipal services etc. You have no idea about the real situation and click bikes.

                      You have no idea even about the very concept of a "real situation" and are talking nonsense
                      Quote: Liam
                      Require from you at least some kind of knowledge is useless.

                      belay demand from his wife, yes ....
                      Quote: Liam
                      . I can tell you a secret that Italy is a 60 millionth country with a lot of cities. You undoubtedly own info and kindly tell what horrors are happening in its cities-

                      I will not report: "By herself, by herself !!" (FROM) yes
                      Quote: Liam
                      You have no idea I can tell you in secret that some of these cities are practically unaffected by the epidemic, in others, there are several hundred infected and deaths amount to several dozen. And this is because the largest hospitals are concentrated there and they transport patients from all over the region.
                      The main focus of the epidemic is a small trugolnik in Lombardy (but not Milano itself) made up of the cities of Bergamo, Brescia and Lodi. This region causes about 80% of infected and about 70% of deaths throughout the country.

                      Yeah, only the quarantine, which was only in Lombardy and in MILAN itself, was extended to ALL of Italy: "Turaks", apparently, are stupider than you lol
                      Nearly 800 people died in the last day, every day an increase in the number of deaths by hundreds and cases by thousands
                      Quote: Liam
                      about 80% of infected and about 70% of deaths throughout the country.
                      The average age of the dead is 80 years. Half of them have 3 chronic diseases. The rest have 1 or 2.
                      80% of all deceased people are old people from several private hospices located in this area where the virus penetrated (and it will take more than one head to fly when this is over). These are very old and seriously ill people - Alzheimer, Parkinson, oncology, kidneys on dialysis , senile dementia and the like diseases. These are seriously ill people, many of whom, due to these diseases, cannot even say that they are ill.

                      What, however, happy Italians, but .... do not know this: you with them share your amazing "discoveries", otherwise they are worried and "in vain", it turns out, they are afraid, hiding in their homes ... fool
                    2. Liam
                      Liam 22 March 2020 17: 13 New
                      0
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      You have no idea even about the very concept of "real situation"

                      Olgovich .. I live in Torino. Look at the map where it is and go better to press about the king of the ampirator
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 March 2020 18: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      absolutely true: the situation in Moldova is about the same: an emergency has been declared, EVERYTHING, except for food and pharmacies is CLOSED, everyone is sitting at home

      It is true, but these people who work in pharmacies, hospitals, shops, warehouses engaged in energy and heat supply, communications, all of them also need to be transported to the place of work and back. And people also need to go to shops and pharmacies. And one more mandatory is the removal, recycling, the work of janitors and cleaners. In addition to caronvirus, many other infectious diseases can be obtained from dirt.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 21 March 2020 21: 09 New
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        It is true, but these people who work in pharmacies, hospitals, shops, warehouses engaged in energy and heat supply, communications, all of them also need to be transported to the place of work and back.

        Transported by departmental transport + taxi
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And people also need to go to shops and pharmacies.

        We go. But rarely
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And one more mandatory is the removal, recycling, the work of janitors and cleaners. In addition to caronvirus, many other infectious diseases can be obtained from dirt.

        It all works
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 21 March 2020 21: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: Olgovich
          It all works

          Thank God that you can handle, and all of us.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 22 March 2020 08: 23 New
            -1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Thank God that you can handle, and all of us.

            May God grant health to all of us!

            But we missed a lot, alas, the GASTERS BEFORE THE TIME crawl and crawl home, carrying infection to their same children fool ....
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 22 March 2020 18: 29 New
              0
              Quote: Olgovich
              But we missed a lot, alas, the GASTERS BEFORE THE TIME crawl and crawl home, carrying infection to their same children
              I have 12 more people left. Those who have departed will no longer be allowed, but these will work all the way, nowhere to go.
  • Artemy Morozov
    Artemy Morozov 21 March 2020 16: 16 New
    +2
    In Kiev, medicine .... Chill in the body did not pass from such beautiful words?
  • Vladimir Kiev
    Vladimir Kiev 21 March 2020 17: 11 New
    +5
    I am from Kiev, which is actually obvious from the nickname. So without introducing hard quarantine in a short period of time 70-80% of the population will be ill. In Moscow - at least 12 million people, 75% - 9 million will get sick. Of these, about 10% - 900 thousand will require hospitalization, though not all, only 3% will require mechanical ventilation - this is 270 thousand people.
    And, probably, the 5000 devices indicated by you are not idle in reserve, but are already involved to some extent.
    In Kiev - yes, the situation is much worse - they report only 200 (!) Devices for 3 million cities. Therefore, the authorities are very afraid of the situation when the corridors will die from the suffocation of grandparents ....
    And they’re doing it right - the social resonance can be very large against the background of this coronavirus hysteria.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 March 2020 18: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir Kiev
      And they’re doing it right - the social resonance can be very large against the background of this coronavirus hysteria.

      Correctly the resonance will be. Strengthening crime, theft, robbery, and further, this should not be forgotten.
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 21 March 2020 21: 47 New
      0
      In Russia, most likely there are many mechanical ventilation devices in the state reserve in case of war.
  • Kronos
    Kronos 21 March 2020 17: 25 New
    +2
    Was not bad until Suprun with her optimizations
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 21 March 2020 15: 33 New
    +3
    Quote: DMB 75
    This is already too much.


    Madness illustration. Ukraine today

    1. ML-334
      ML-334 21 March 2020 16: 30 New
      +1
      That already and pots do not help.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 March 2020 18: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: ML-334
        That already and pots do not help.

        You need to download, it will help.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 21 March 2020 15: 51 New
    -1
    Well, why? ... for a given territory, this is in the order of things.
  • gsev
    gsev 21 March 2020 16: 41 New
    -1
    In China, too, public transport stopped, including ground transportation. Zelensky simply decided to use the Chinese method for combating coronovirus. Now Ukrainians are returning to their homeland from infected Europe. Apparently Zelensky is trying to suppress the epidemic in the bud in Ukraine.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 March 2020 18: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: gsev
      Now Ukrainians are returning to their homeland from infected Europe. Apparently Zelensky is trying to suppress the epidemic in the bud in Ukraine.

      And this was already in Western Ukraine back in January, why then no one noticed, and the doctors spoke and wrote.
      1. gsev
        gsev 21 March 2020 18: 45 New
        -4
        Quote: tihonmarine
        why then no one noticed, and the doctors spoke and wrote.

        In January, there were not so many cases in Europe. In my opinion, Ukrainians are most effective in fighting the epidemic. They do not make mistakes when confronting an epidemic.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 21 March 2020 19: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: gsev
          In my opinion, Ukrainians are most effective in fighting the epidemic. They do not make mistakes when confronting an epidemic.

          I do not know about the effectiveness of doctors in Ukraine, but I gave what happened in mid-January in Ternopil. 45 patients with "unknown flu", but the symptoms were the same as now. Three died.
          1. Mimoprohodil
            Mimoprohodil 21 March 2020 22: 18 New
            0
            Quote: tihonmarine
            what was in mid-January
            A couple of hundred patients in China
          2. gsev
            gsev 22 March 2020 02: 42 New
            -2
            Quote: tihonmarine
            I do not know about the effectiveness of doctors in Ukraine

            https://coronavirus-monitor.ru

            This Russian resource reports that in Ukraine the situation with coronoviruses is better than in Europe.
            Chinese sources confirm this. Probably this is the merit of Ukrainian doctors. Enlighten yourself.
            From European countries there are fewer patients with coronovirus in the Vatican, Montenegro, BiH, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Gibraltar.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 21 March 2020 18: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: DMB 75
    This is already too much.

    Continuation of "TV show" from "Chamber 404" tomorrow, hurry up to watch. On the surface, people seem to be normal, but listen, it would be better to be silent, they will pass for smart.
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 21 March 2020 19: 43 New
    +1
    they are doing everything right, only Ukraine and Russia needed to close the borders earlier, and not now. Many people got the infection in other countries, and then they brought it to their homeland
  • venik
    venik 21 March 2020 20: 49 New
    0
    Quote: DMB 75
    This is already too much.

    ===========
    No, this is PANIC!

    And to be honest, it would be funny if it were not so sad!
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 21 March 2020 14: 42 New
    +8
    It is necessary to oblige the population to move exclusively in races, and breathe more often, before they have time to introduce the air tax! !!
  • Sarduor
    Sarduor 21 March 2020 14: 43 New
    -4
    I hope that taxis will make a discount
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 21 March 2020 14: 52 New
      +5
      Now for the business, a golden time has begun, taxi drivers will lift prices higher than nowhere, private business has no human face. Remember how in Moscow they turned off the electricity, taxi drivers began to ask tens of thousands of rubles for services.
    2. knn54
      knn54 21 March 2020 15: 08 New
      +4
      In Kharkov, a FREE delivery of hospital staff, police and infrastructure workers (utilities) of the city to their places of work by special transport will be organized,
      Now some taxi services have begun to recruit infectious disease doctors for free.
    3. Alex_You
      Alex_You 21 March 2020 15: 11 New
      0
      Medical workers will be free to carry uber and bias.
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  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 21 March 2020 14: 44 New
    +2
    It is necessary to enter the district borders in each settlement, and fine them for violation with 5 gauze dressings for violation. ... lol
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 March 2020 14: 51 New
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty
      and for their violation, fine 5 gauze dressings. ...

      Under the USSR, six months of correctional labor.
  • Mouse
    Mouse 21 March 2020 14: 47 New
    +4
    everything stood still ... if not dead .... recourse otherwise there will be no one to resurrect ... crying
    1. LMN
      LMN 21 March 2020 15: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: Mouse
      everything stood still ... if not dead .... recourse otherwise there will be no one to resurrect ... crying

      Yeah ... and here we are! Surprise! fellow laughing
      "The GRU agents did not die!", "Russia is taking over the world!", "Trump left a message on Twitter", #Russians are coming, #Russianswicky, #forward Russia, #all Russia!
      lol
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 21 March 2020 16: 15 New
        +4
        here we are! Surprise!

        A man in the park sees a sign: "Attraction Surprise." He threw it into the turnstile 15
        kopecks, entered the room and froze: it is dark, and where to go is incomprehensible. Till
        I thought, a brick fell on his head. Woke up and hears a voice from
        dynamics:
        - If horrible, keep standing: the bonus game! laughing
        with surprises should be more careful .... wink
        1. LMN
          LMN 21 March 2020 16: 23 New
          +4
          Quote: Mouse
          here we are! Surprise!

          A man in the park sees a sign: "Attraction Surprise." He threw it into the turnstile 15
          kopecks, entered the room and froze: it is dark, and where to go is incomprehensible. Till
          I thought, a brick fell on his head. Woke up and hears a voice from
          dynamics:
          - If horrible, keep standing: the bonus game! laughing
          with surprises should be more careful .... wink

          laughing drinks
  • businessv
    businessv 21 March 2020 14: 49 New
    +5
    Recall that in the framework of the fight against coronavirus, the Ukrainian authorities closed the borders of the country, stopped all international traffic, limited long-distance trips and closed the metro during quarantine.
    It remains to stop the movement of citizens and everything will be fine!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 March 2020 14: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: businessv
      It remains to stop the movement of citizens and everything will be fine!

      The idea is to start with this. With the cessation of movement. By closing the maximum number of enterprises and organizations.
      And only then take on transport.

      If it’s locked ...
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 21 March 2020 15: 14 New
        +5
        as part of the fight against coronavirus, the Ukrainian authorities closed the country's borders, stopped all international traffic, limited long-distance trips and closed the metro during quarantine.

        It seems that they do not have quarantine there, but they are in the active phase of preparing for land according to Klitschko’s precepts, which by the way is still the mayor of Kiev. Close everything, do not go anywhere.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 March 2020 15: 18 New
          -3
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          It seems that they do not have quarantine there, but they are in the active phase of preparing for land according to Klitschko’s precepts, which by the way is still the mayor of Kiev. Close everything, do not go anywhere.

          It's simple.
          China has shown that the main medicine against coronavirus is money.
          And Ukraine has less money than Italy ...

          So they are trying to somehow prevent a catastrophe.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 21 March 2020 14: 51 New
    +7
    Then when they restore, it turns out that the transport is sold laughing
  • Aliken
    Aliken 21 March 2020 14: 51 New
    +3
    But why do they need him, let them rummage around on foot, and let trams with trolleybuses drive to the ATO.))) Instead of armored personnel carriers.
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    1. fruit_cake
      fruit_cake 21 March 2020 15: 00 New
      +1
      Yes, they are to blame for Putin everywhere, as he only has time everywhere, just some superman
      1. beeper
        beeper 21 March 2020 18: 37 New
        +1
        In principle, yes, in Ukraine it is: Putin is the Almighty Superman, the Supreme Being on Earth! Without the "omnipotence", "evil will" and "cunning plans" imagined by the Maydauns, not a single deed will be done in the current amerocolony "Ukraine", not a single fly will buzz, not a drop will fall from the sky and the wind will not blow! yes

        Judging by the frequency of public views and appeals of the Banderlog to his image and all sorts of meditative texts, phrases, even poems (as well as ritual choral chants, let us recall, at least, the "rocking" singer, worthless Maidan foreign minister with a "speaking surname "Little thing (" deshitsya "is translated from" Mova "- a pot-bellied little thing, an insignificant nuance-detail, a small rubbish!), Which" distinguished "by its nasal howl during the Banderonazi coven-attack on the building of the Russian diplomatic mission), as well as abbreviated inscriptions-letter "amulets" on the surfaces of cars of especially "Svidomo hulks" and other Maydaun "heroes", then the Russian President V.V. For "professional Ukrainians" Putin is their totemic Pillar of the Universe, without ritual "dances" around whose Name and every minute invocation (submissive prayer or angry, offended lamentations) to his Image for them there is absolutely no "real Ukrainian life"! winked

        After all, "throwing" (from a safe distance for oneself !!! - like the crazy Kiev clown ", when in Bandera" boldly joke "about Chechen Ramzan Kadyrov and, in a mean Chaldean way, called defenseless Donetsk women" scum "), children and the elderly, massacred by Bandera terrorists!) virtual "voyovnychy fang (militant challenge)" to the Kremlin Super Moskal Putin, these, by nature petty-mercantile and fearful-cowardly (the temper and habits of fabulous cave Banderlog are well described in Kipling's "Jungle Jung but the current Banderonazi "stash" is fully consistent!), Banderopithecs (Galitsay raguli and the "banderized" Ukrainian marginals who joined them, led by not too "cunning" shtetl klepto "w / Bandera" Kleptoligarchs servant), totally amazed by the nurtured "inferiority complex", "with their" bold challenge "as if" asserting themselves "- rise in their own eyes and in the eyes of individuals of their" banderosvidomo th "herd!

        This quasi "confrontation with Supermoskal and Russia" gives the worthless "titular" schoron primates, the most destructive elements of society (in vain, slave souls with mental disabilities, maniacally dreaming of their own "panuvanny" over other people and parasitizing at the expense of these people!) supposedly "eubermency (" superhuman elitism ")" - "superiority" over their "unseen" - that is, adequate, mentally normal, fellow citizens, toilers-creators (of which all sorts of parasitic "broad" maydauns, such as "Frenchy" degenerate-klepto " / Bandera's "Seni Rabbit-Kulyavloba, in their Nazi seizures, they publicly call" subhuman "(that is," subhuman "- translated from" Derma "of the fascinating neo-colonial occupiers)")!
  • Well done
    Well done 21 March 2020 15: 00 New
    +6
    How evil they are. After all, young hefty Nazis will not die out. Pensioners and veterans will die out. This is the sadness. Do not, colleagues, "dance on the bones", we will not be like the Yankees.
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  • Gray brother
    Gray brother 21 March 2020 15: 07 New
    -1
    I heard that the coronavirus dies from longing if you sing the Anthem of Ukraine three times in a row! SUCHES!
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 March 2020 15: 10 New
    +8
    There is a good saying: "Make a fool pray to God ...."
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 March 2020 15: 20 New
      -5
      And if there is no other way?
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 21 March 2020 15: 29 New
        -1
        If there is no other way, then let them sing the anthem of Ukraine!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 March 2020 15: 29 New
          +4
          Sang.
          Lviv doctors.
          Did not help.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 21 March 2020 15: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Sang.
            Lviv doctors.
            Did not help.

            It just helped - on the plane from Wuhan, all the people were healthy. Doctors sang a hymn when they found out that they would not be taken to them, and please - indeed, the healthy are no longer being taken, but now the sick are being taken.
            Obviously, this works.
          2. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 21 March 2020 19: 05 New
            0
            A trident laid out and galloped around?
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 March 2020 15: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        And if there is no other way?

        From any hopeless situation you can always find the entrance
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 March 2020 15: 35 New
          -1
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          From any hopeless situation you can always find the entrance

          Money.
          Does Ukraine have funds for other exits?
          Here we have done about seven hundred analyzes during the "control" of contacts of one infected person.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 March 2020 15: 43 New
            +4
            Quote: Spade
            Money.

            That is yes. People are not spoiled with super-incomes, refusal of industrial production and work will lead to non-payment of salaries, a fall in business income (there is no revenue, there’s nothing to buy) - in general, a vicious circle.
            Quote: Spade
            Does Ukraine have funds for other exits?

            I’ll tell you seditious thought - you just need to get sick with this, without running into any panic-antipandemic means. Mortality from coronavirus is very low, while the risk group is people over 60 years. They must be protected in full measure - up to a ban on going to work, and even from home, in order to do grocery delivery, to issue benefits in return for unearned ones, etc.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 March 2020 15: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              I’ll tell you seditious thought - you just need to get sick with this, without running into any panic-antipandemic means. Mortality from coronavirus is very low, while the risk group is people over 60 years.

              This is true for China.
              When there is a lot of money, discipline and organization are even more. And pure medicine comes first ...
            2. Liam
              Liam 21 March 2020 17: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              I’ll tell you seditious thought - you just need to get sick with this, without running into any panic-antipandemic means. Mortality from coronavirus is very low, while the risk group is people over 60 years. They must be protected in full measure - up to a ban on going to work, and even from home, in order to do grocery delivery, to issue benefits in return for unearned ones, etc.

              It remains only to wonder how this ingenious (for simplicity) idea did not enter the minds of millions of professional doctors, epidemiologists, infectious disease specialists, officials of ministries and departments, crisis headquarters, civil defense from WHO, China, USA, Italy, France, Germany, Spain, Austria, The WB and several dozen other countries, which for some reason are all taking measures according to the "Kiev" scenario.
              One of two things. Either these millions of professionals, not understanding anything, deliberately destroying the economies of their own countries .. or the idea is too brilliant.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 March 2020 17: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: Liam
                One can only be surprised how this ingenious (in simplicity) thought did not occur to millions of professional physicians, epidemiologists, infectious disease specialists

                Did someone ask them? Survey Results - To Studio, Please
                1. Liam
                  Liam 21 March 2020 18: 06 New
                  0
                  Have you read the WHO recommendations on the epidemic of this virus at least once? Are the governments of all these countries based on whose recommendations you take? Moreover, all over the world, from China to Alaska.
                  Your "option" was considered for a long time, especially in England it was considered as a "special way" to combat the epidemic. And it was discarded because the consequences are many times worse than those accepted in reality
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 March 2020 11: 06 New
                    0
                    Quote: Liam
                    Have you read the WHO recommendations on the epidemic of this virus at least once?

                    What does the WHO have to do with it? This is essentially a bureaucratic and highly politicized structure. She does not always write her recommendations based on opinions.
                    Quote: Liam
                    millions of medical professionals, epidemiologists, infectious disease specialists

                    So I can only repeat my question.
                    Z.Y. And yes, where in the WHO recommendations is there an almost complete stop of public transport?
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 22 March 2020 15: 06 New
                      0
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      What does the WHO have to do with it?

                      Do not breed demagoguery
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      where there in the WHO recommendations - an almost complete stop of public transport?

                      In the WHO recommendations to the states you will find all the moments that concern you. The Russian authorities, with some delay and delay, also follow them and repeat (using different propaganda smoke screens) exactly the same measures and restrictions as in other countries.
                      Read the recommendations of a person who undoubtedly understands more than you in the topic.

                      Vice President of the Chinese Red Cross, Sun Shuopeng called the measures to combat the pandemic of the coronavirus COVID-19, adopted in Italy, not strict enough, reports the South China Morning post ....

                      The situation in Lombardy right now is similar to what we experienced two months ago in Wuhan. In Wuhan, since the adoption of the blocking policy, we have seen a downward trend in the peak of the disease ....

                      ".... Here in Milan, the most affected area from COVID-19, there is no strict blockage: public transport is still working, people are moving, they have dinner together, they have meetings in hotels, parties and do not wear masks," said the deputy head of Krasny Cross of the PRC.

                      “China was ready to take rather extraordinary measures, using the army, the police, locking people in their homes, using drone technology to monitor behavior, creating roadblocks. Whatever measures were taken in Europe, this was done only recently, and, frankly, none of them is as draconian and comprehensive as what was done in Wuhan, ”the expert told The New York Times.
                      Despite all the accusations against Italy, it was the first of all EU countries to suspend flights to China. This happened on January 30 - then in China more than 9,5 thousand cases of infection were detected, and in Italy only two. Both infected flew from China
                      .
                      PySy Only unreasonable people can deny that public transport is the main peddler of the epidemic.
                      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 March 2020 18: 04 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Liam
                        Do not breed demagoguery

                        Go crazy :))) This is said by a person who was pouring in his blue eye about what a wonderful medicine in Italy, what kind of highly qualified staff (not a couple of the Russian Federation), that there are no queues for Italian doctors at all (I apparently dreamed ) and how remarkably equipped the Italian hospitals.
                        And then came the coronavirus. Which spreads even worse than the banal ARVI. In Italy, 53 people were infected yesterday, but nearly 10 were cured or died. And what is Italy’s excellent healthcare system?
                        20% of Italian doctors are infected, they do not have time to serve patients despite working 24/7. Officially allowed to work by doctors whose diploma had not previously been recognized in Italy. Lack of ventilation equipment and personal protective equipment. The Italians are asking for help from anyone who can provide it.
                        Of course, how can this be compared with Russian medicine dealing with 30-40 MILLION cases of various infections every year.
                        Quote: Liam
                        You will find all the points that concern you in your WHO recommendations.

                        I only care about one thing - present the rationale for your statement
                        Quote: Liam
                        One can only be surprised how this ingenious (in simplicity) thought did not occur to millions of professional physicians, epidemiologists, infectious disease specialists

                        However, it is already obvious that I will not wait for anything sensible from you.
                        Quote: Liam
                        The situation in Lombardy right now is similar to what we experienced two months ago in Wuhan.

                        I could draw your attention to the fact that such measures were taken ONLY in the source of infection, and not for prevention throughout China. But ... Sense? Meter thickness of the triplexes of your rose-colored glasses will still not break through
                      2. Liam
                        Liam 22 March 2020 20: 07 New
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        And here came the coronavirus

                        This whole dull set of fakes is discussed in another thread. There is no hunting for this slag
                        https://topwar.ru/169311-koronavirus-ugrozhaet-unichtozhit-italjanskoe-zdravoohranenie
                      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 March 2020 16: 34 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Liam
                        All this dull set of fakes is discussed in another thread.

                        Yeah. Where did you announce that all this is a dull set of fakes. I did not see any other refutations.
  • sabakina
    sabakina 21 March 2020 16: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    And if there is no other way?

    Shovels, are you sure that there is no way out? wink
  • ddmitrij
    ddmitrij 21 March 2020 15: 18 New
    +6
    eeeee And how will they get to work? They didn’t stop the work.
    It seems that the main thing is to make a decision, but you don’t have to think at all!
  • Ural resident
    Ural resident 21 March 2020 15: 27 New
    +3
    I don’t understand what’s wrong here, the usual quarantine measure. It is enough to recall how it was in Wuhan - there, in general, it was only possible to go out into the street through a special permit. If our epidemic grows, the same thing will be done. The only question is how timely and adequate the situation is.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 March 2020 15: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      I don’t understand what’s wrong here, the usual quarantine measure.

      Not ordinary. With the number of infected 41 people.
      1. Ural resident
        Ural resident 21 March 2020 15: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Resident of the Urals
        I don’t understand what’s wrong here, the usual quarantine measure.

        Not ordinary. With the number of infected 41 people.

        Well, I wrote that the only question is how adequate the situation is.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 March 2020 15: 41 New
          +1
          And the situation is inadequate.
          it is not necessary to start with transport.
      2. gsev
        gsev 21 March 2020 16: 52 New
        -2
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Resident of the Urals
        I don’t understand what’s wrong here, the usual quarantine measure.

        Not ordinary. With the number of infected 41 people.

        In the USSR, during the cholera epidemic, the entire south was closed. The number of those infected and dying from cholera was apparently no more than now in Ukraine.
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  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 21 March 2020 15: 45 New
    0
    Author, change the photo in the article - I give:
  • askort154
    askort154 21 March 2020 15: 47 New
    +5
    Karaul14 ...Problems in the economy will now be for everyone, and most of all will get to commodity economies like the Russian,

    Before splashing saliva on the VO - put on a mask! And if you don't have a mask, then go to your "censor", everyone there has been infected with "brainless virus" for a long time. yes
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 21 March 2020 15: 49 New
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    ... they rushed home and brought the virus to their relatives and friends.

    Previously, they also brought the virus, only without a crown.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 21 March 2020 17: 43 New
      0
      MERS - the epidemic of 2015, the Middle East CORONOVIRUS, the epidemic was in the Russian Federation. SARS - SARS, remember? Taki again coronovirus ...
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 21 March 2020 15: 53 New
    +4
    Chet struck mnu on pictures ...
  • tuts
    tuts 21 March 2020 16: 01 New
    +1
    Yeah, the public city was stopped, and who will stop the minibuses?
  • Fishery
    Fishery 21 March 2020 16: 07 New
    0
    so many survivors)))) it's so cute) the taxi works in person, prices are not raised, doctors are carried free of charge, and yes, quarantine is not a vacation)
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 21 March 2020 16: 15 New
      +1
      From Troyeshchina it’s more fun to go to the center without the metro shkandybat? lol
      1. Fishery
        Fishery 21 March 2020 16: 19 New
        -4
        ))) Uber has not changed anything, and I personally do not need to go to work)
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 21 March 2020 16: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: Tonya
          nothing has changed in uber

          While Uber on four wheels - times. Two. Three. Four ... Klitschko on two - one-two, one-two. one or two!

          And ready for the earth!
  • askort154
    askort154 21 March 2020 16: 07 New
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    . As stated on Saturday by the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov, this measure is being introduced in connection with the tightening of quarantine measures.

    We were successfully helped in 2014 to launch a "kryvogolovirus" in Ukraine! With difficulty, but we can do it! Not infected interfere.
    And then, unexpectedly, some new "coronavirus" came to our aid and I, as the main "overseer" in Ukraine now, is obliged to strengthen "quarantine measures".
    Exclusively for everyone, including even all the "green".
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 March 2020 16: 07 New
    -1
    So I did not understand, the whole country is getting up? And they stocked up with a zhrach, because transport does not go, there is no work and no income. And what kind of cones will exist?
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 21 March 2020 16: 20 New
    0
    The neighboring hut is on fire! Instead of standing and gloating, at least drag water into fire tanks, prepare hoses, check for all fire extinguishing equipment. You yourself already smoke here and there!
  • Fishery
    Fishery 21 March 2020 16: 20 New
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    BUT it’s also better yes)?
    The first hospitalized suspected coronavirus in the Stavropol Territory became known on March 19. The Governor of the Stavropol Territory Vladimir Vladimirov said on his Instagram that the patient is a doctor. It turned out that this is the main infectious disease specialist in the region and a teacher at the Stavropol Medical University, Irina Sannikova, who went to Spain in early March. After returning, she neglected quarantine and went to work. Sannikova managed to give several lectures to students, to participate in the conference and conference calls in the regional Ministry of Health.

    Vladimirov called the woman's behavior irresponsible. "When she gets well, I'll ask her," he wrote in the comments to the post. The governor said that everyone who potentially came into contact with the sick person or with her immediate environment began to be tested. 1200 people will be checked in two days. 11 people were suspected of coronavirus.

    More details: https://www.newsru.com/russia/21mar2020/sannikova.html
  • Artemy Morozov
    Artemy Morozov 21 March 2020 16: 20 New
    -1
    Nothing, they will change to the horse-drawn! They don’t get used to panicking themselves. A new transport will appear in Kiev - Anti-crisis rickshaw with laborers in masks and cloaks.
  • Hypatius
    Hypatius 21 March 2020 16: 24 New
    -1
    Not because of the virus, but because of the mental infection of the crowd with fear. Who is the director and who benefits from it, that's the question.
    And the virus is generally a useful thing for the population as a whole, if anyone has forgotten biology. The virus "pumps" immunity (+ vaccination against such infections). Weakened individuals die from chronic diseases, and not from the virus itself.
    latest statistics from Italy.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 21 March 2020 16: 51 New
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      ... and immunity is the worst pumped in oops - newborns. Maladie! Their mortality is lower, because in the maternity hospital, by definition, an antiseptic is pumped
      1. Hypatius
        Hypatius 21 March 2020 16: 54 New
        +1
        and immunity is worst of all pumped in oops - newborns. Maladie!
        Yes, that’s why they all pull in their mouths. Get acquainted with viruses, if cho, gain immunity. If the baby is kept sterile for a long time, then he will die from a breath of ordinary air! Oops
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 21 March 2020 17: 06 New
          +2
          You develop thought. The next will be the rejection of excessive trembling over asepsis / antiseptics in maternity hospitals - only the most stable will survive! There will be a nation of Lacedmonians, no one even needs to be thrown off a cliff! By the way, Sparta got burnt on this - even though they were all such laconic superhuman, but the crowded Athens devoured them without salt .... I'm not even talking about the fact that you now carry the ideas of the Nazis. I’ll tell you one simple thing - have you heard anything about social Darwinism? So, this is nonsense just because. that the laws of natural selection in TUPO society do not work and the wretched Stephen Hawking has done much more for the whole of mankind than, for example, Brad Pete
          1. Hypatius
            Hypatius 21 March 2020 17: 27 New
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            What other thought? Nature has developed everything, and biology has described it. I just reminded those suffering from the mental infection "the coronavirus will kill everyone." I do not need to present Darwinism, I did not have this in words or thoughts. What kind of fashion is it for a person to think out, to the extent of their depravity, and then smash these ideas? Antiseptics and antibiotics without measure, kill more of the virus. Claims against nature (or a biology textbook) should be made.
      2. Hypatius
        Hypatius 21 March 2020 17: 12 New
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        Antiseptic? Maybe in vain. Previously, on the contrary, they started fresh air through the vents. The reserve is at the maximum, let them gain immunity. The sooner the better.
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 21 March 2020 17: 27 New
          +1
          Hypatius-beating ... Have you ever heard the phrase that everything is good in moderation? And yet, on the culling of "weakened" individuals. If aged Putin dies now, Russia will inevitably face a crisis. Not because he is good or, on the contrary, bad - he is important for Russia anyway. And if the horses move for example a horse brigade, CSKA in the sense. all at once - from football to water polo - the country will not even scratch itself. And they are all athletes there. healthy lifestyle. all things healthy as moose - only needed as in a bath pliers
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 21 March 2020 21: 20 New
            +3
            Quote: Cowbra
            And if for example the horse brigade will move the horses, CSKA in the sense of

            CSKA, do not touch !!! angry
            Quote: Cowbra
            only needed as in a bath pliers

            "Piggy"? wink
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 21 March 2020 21: 24 New
              +2
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              CSKA, do not touch !!!

              ... otherwise it will smell repeat
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              "Piggy"?

              "My blood is red and white!" hi
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 21 March 2020 21: 41 New
                +2
                laughing good drinks
                Nothing, you have "swine flu" on you. wink
                1. Cowbra
                  Cowbra 21 March 2020 21: 54 New
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                  Nitsche, break through! Let's build a pig - and alga! Tygdym, tygdym ... Oh, it's not about us)))
                2. Cowbra
                  Cowbra 21 March 2020 22: 12 New
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                  In general, all the garbage, except for bees .... Bees are also garbage, but there are a lot of them) We are still doing fine with you, look, they gave GerTrud to the Spartacus Lavrov ... .. With their icon, Cord out, hoping "the worst thing that can happen" - it happened repeat
          2. Hypatius
            Hypatius 22 March 2020 05: 19 New
            +1
            Why do you misunderstand me like that? I just recalled that viruses are good for a healthy body. Immunity is developed for similar infections, the level of immunity is growing. It is also possible that the resistance to this infection is inherited, and the virus itself, at the exit, loses its strength, weakens. Because the epidemic and fade.
            However, based on statistics, it is necessary to quarantine pensioners with chronic sores, and not to ruin the economy and people's lives in a panic.
            In general, for these Mengelee virologists it is necessary to open Nyurberg2. It is gratifying that these nonhumans did not achieve major breakthroughs in 40 (or more?) Years, according to Truth:
            oh, Izvestia, more precisely.
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 22 March 2020 07: 39 New
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              Well, I agree about quarantine. This hysteria has been surprising for a long time ... There is nothing new in the Crown, the events in such cases are known. And quarantine all my life went to risk groups. and this is generally only contacted - tourists and communicating with sick people. What does educational institutions and football have to do with it? I don’t understand. Pure panic to calm
    2. Orkraider
      Orkraider 21 March 2020 17: 00 New
      +1
      hi
      Welcome.
      Korean statistics are similar.
      1. Hypatius
        Hypatius 21 March 2020 17: 04 New
        -1
        The body's reserves run out. That's just what they need and quarantine. And Timurites should be masked.
      2. alavrin
        alavrin 21 March 2020 18: 49 New
        +1
        There are errors in the table below. I did not check everything, but offhand: in the Death column, the percentage of male women is calculated incorrectly.
        1. Orkraider
          Orkraider 21 March 2020 20: 52 New
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          hi
          There is one. Instead of 36 - 46. I did not pay attention to you, half a liter for observation drinks . In general, it is not surprising that men are leaving more, smoke destroys the lungs ..
    3. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil 21 March 2020 17: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Hypatius
      The virus "pumps" immunity (+ vaccination against similar infections)
      Killing while pumping 10% of the population,
      Quote: Hypatius
      latest statistics from Italy
      Total daily mortality increased by 40% of coronavirus
      1. Vladimir Kiev
        Vladimir Kiev 21 March 2020 17: 23 New
        +6
        Do not smack nonsense. The first - far from all who have been ill, are accounted for, in 80% of cases - the disease passes in a mild form and they do not even suspect that it is a corona virus. And they record just cases of severe and moderate severity. But even according to such statistics - about 4%. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
        1. Mimoprohodil
          Mimoprohodil 21 March 2020 17: 41 New
          -1
          Quote: Vladimir Kiev
          And they record just cases of severe and moderate severity. But even according to such statistics - about 4%. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
          Half of the countries do not indicate the number of severe cases on this plate, the same Iran. And boldly you average recorded in Serious or Critical
      2. Hypatius
        Hypatius 21 March 2020 17: 32 New
        +2
        You delve into the fact that this virus does not kill at all! Dying from chronic diseases, people whose body reserve = 0. The case when statistics are stronger than blatant lies.
        Mortality is lower than from seasonal flu.
        1. Vladimir Kiev
          Vladimir Kiev 21 March 2020 17: 38 New
          +4
          The remark is fair. However, it is the virus that multiplies in lung tissue that can cause pneumonia.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 21 March 2020 16: 43 New
    -2
    Quote: d1m1drol
    and where does the coronovirus and the price of oil?) You do not confuse fat with sour. It’s just not through oil that you get infected with the virus, so no one will stop the production and transportation. And now that oil has fallen, well, this is a temporary phenomenon. Or are you one of those who bought buckwheat all?) Then the question is, why is buckwheat exactly?)

    Who needs this oil when everything is worth it? The same with gas. All of course will be improved later, only the thin ones will die.
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  • Looking for
    Looking for 21 March 2020 17: 00 New
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    Quote: Karaul14
    Energy resources Ukraine mainly imports, not sells.

    ROMCU. This is the limit.
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 21 March 2020 17: 02 New
    -1
    We decided to just stupidly save on transport for citizens.
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 21 March 2020 17: 16 New
    -2
    Quote: DMB 75
    Kiev from March 22 this year completely stops the movement of public transport

    This is already too much.

    The losses will be explained by the machinations of Russia, and will require reparations from around the world.
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 21 March 2020 17: 20 New
    -2
    So already, or not dead yet?
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 21 March 2020 17: 26 New
    -1
    Quote: A. Privalov
    The neighboring hut is on fire! Instead of standing and gloating, at least drag water into fire tanks, prepare hoses, check for all fire extinguishing equipment. You yourself already smoke here and there!

    What burns will not rot. To babysit fascists who will immediately spoil and accuse helpers of all misfortunes? Nature avenges thought crimes. She is fair and wise.
  • Operator
    Operator 21 March 2020 17: 53 New
    -3
    Why such a boom - according to official data on the outskirts there is still not a single case of coronary disease laughing
  • Operator
    Operator 21 March 2020 17: 57 New
    -2
    Quote: Karaul14
    The Ukrainian economy is not a raw material

    Damn, what about metal ore from Kryvbas (as well as garnas for a brothel and guest workers for a European housing and communal services)? laughing
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 21 March 2020 18: 46 New
    +1
    Well, right, why do farmers need public transport and the metro? On the chaise will reach if necessary))

    Here are the clowns. They look at Europe and make monkeys that there is urine.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 March 2020 18: 50 New
    -1
    Soon the following may become the main slogan of "Lviv Voivodeship" and "Principality of Ternopil":

    And eat bacon and catch the "Lviv-Moscow" train! laughing laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 March 2020 18: 51 New
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    The first sign will be the flight of the OSCE observation mission. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 March 2020 18: 53 New
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    Your information is out of date. Yesterday I listened to Dzhangirov for Ukrailife and he said that in January Russia took the first place in pork deliveries to Ukraine - now it’s not clear how the Ukronization can survive such a bummer of the archetype)) laughing
    1. Moon
      Moon 21 March 2020 23: 57 New
      -1
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Your information is out of date. Yesterday I listened to Dzhangirov for Ukrailife and he said that in January Russia took the first place in pork deliveries to Ukraine - now it’s not clear how the Ukronization can survive such a bummer of the archetype))

      the devil is always in the details. Dzhangirov nothing to do with. There is monitoring data from the Center for Agricultural Analytics of the Russian Ministry of Agriculture.
      So, according to the Russian Ministry, last month pork worth $ 4,5 million was delivered to Ukraine. In real terms, exports from the Russian Federation grew to 2,7 thousand tons, while in February last year, imports of Russian pork amounted to 1,7, XNUMX thousand tons.
      Of course, all would be nothing. But Ukraine does not import Russian pork. It itself exports pork.
      In January – February 2020, pork export increased 4,6 times to $ 1,06 million from $ 230 thousand. At the same time, pork imports fell 2 times to $ 3,92 million. The main importers of Ukrainian pork in January – February 2020 were the UAE (78,2% of all external supplies), Hong Kong (10,9%) and Angola (7,5%).
      And now let's think about who buys like Ukraine, but it’s not quite Ukraine (because in Ukrainian statistics there is no import from the Russian Federation) ... *?
      Let me remind you that there goes import from the Russian Federation which is not taken into account in Ukraine (but the Russian Federation sends to Ukraine because it considers it to be Ukraine).
      Ukraine itself imports from there from before.
      As in 2019.
      This year, the main supplier of pork for Ukraine was Poland. From there, meat worth $ 12,4 million was imported (as well as Germany and the other EU)
      In general, the trick is that ORDLO imports from the Russian Federation as Ukraine. At the same time, Ukrainian statistics do not take into account the import data of the Ordlo as their own. But the Russian Federation takes into account the Ordlo as Ukraine.
      There is gas, electricity, goods and food ..
      And then funny collisions arise. When the Russian Federation publishes data on the fact that it exports N-th quantity of goods to Ukraine, and Ukraine cites statistics that nothing like that ...
      Here it is.
  • voodoo123
    voodoo123 21 March 2020 19: 09 New
    +1
    A far-sighted decision, no half measures. And let the Russians further kiss the relics, go to concerts and parades. There will be what will be. God loves Russians.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 21 March 2020 19: 39 New
    -1
    Decided to finish off the rest of the economy?
  • AB
    AB 21 March 2020 20: 11 New
    0
    A flag in their hands, a drum on the neck, a pipe in the ass and slender, close-knit columns, amicably printing a step, demonstrating full solidarity with coronavirus Europe, from one bank of the Dnieper to the other towards the workplace.
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf 21 March 2020 20: 39 New
    0
    In Soviet times, there was a joke that, in the absence of dogs, they experimented on people. Obviously, the creators of the joke ahead of their time!
  • HMR333
    HMR333 21 March 2020 20: 54 New
    +1
    The bottom line is that a bunch of people are coming from Poland and they are asked to quarantine for a couple of weeks, there are those who understand a bunch of freaks who said that they do not care ... So it is! And from pneumonia the hospitals were slaughtered even after the new year and mortality but someone did not associate with coronoviruses froze! Doctors do not even have protective suits for many people, as they should treat this tin, so it is not surprising that many people are toughening up with children, walking as if nothing had happened!
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 March 2020 21: 53 New
      0
      Most likely not from Poland, but from Italy
      1. Liam
        Liam 21 March 2020 21: 59 New
        -1
        At the request of RBC, Rosstat, based on information from the Federal Service for Supervision of Consumer Rights Protection and Human Welfare, provided a summary of the incidence of community-acquired pneumonia in Moscow in January 2019 and 2020. The increase in the incidence rate was 37% - 6921 cases against 5058.
        Are these also from Poland or Italy?
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 22 March 2020 08: 00 New
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          Quote: Liam
          Are these also from Poland or Italy?

          These are common flu complications. Every year such garbage.
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  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 21 March 2020 21: 21 New
    0
    News from the zoo:
  • Gato
    Gato 22 March 2020 00: 39 New
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    There is an opinion that an emergency will be introduced in Ukraine next week (namely, an emergency with all the consequences, and not an emergency)
  • Sergey Russky
    Sergey Russky 22 March 2020 02: 34 New
    +1
    spit in the trash
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  • sanik2020
    sanik2020 22 March 2020 10: 19 New
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    They closed the metro, people rushed into trolleybuses and buses, closed them, go by taxi, anyway, where you need to get to, they will go by taxi and bomb, you will not be on foot in Kiev. The only useful sanitation and quarantine are suspicious and not stupid bans.
    In general, now there are those who quit their jobs and go into the cab, on their old trough, these same grandmothers can be raised and spit on the virus and people's problems.