How Yuri Andropov came to the highest state post of the USSR: expert reflections

On the occasion of the 35th anniversary of Mikhail Gorbachev's perestroika, experts are trying to find the reason why, with the seeming monumentality and inviolability of the Soviet system, this system not only cracked, but also collapsed overnight.

According to a number of Russian historians, the root cause should not be sought in the time of the reign of Mikhail Gorbachev, since this is the culmination of the process of dismantling statehood, but in the years preceding it, 15-17.

This issue is discussed in the TV Day studio, where the guest was the historian and writer Fedor Razzakov. He is the author of a book that caused a wide response - books on corruption in the Politburo.

Fedor Razzakov talks about the path to the highest post of the Soviet Union, Yuri Andropov - the man who became Secretary General after the "sudden" death of Leonid Brezhnev. One of the issues under consideration is why the top state elites were so worried about continuing the reign of Leonid Ilyich against the background of the fact that Brezhnev himself was frankly unable to fulfill his state duties.

The guest of the air considers issues of the influence of the State Security Committee on the processes that took place in the USSR before Mikhail Gorbachev came to power, about how the situation developed in the country, when its head was a direct native of the KGB - that same Yuri Andropov.

Comments

[Sklendarka]

For what age are these kines designed for?
Fear, around some experts ...

[iouris]

What confirms your expert level? Then do not.

[Mar.Tirah]

There is much to argue and debate about what happened. But I look at modern power in Russia. And it seems that the situation is repeating. The long-liver will sit in the Kremlin until his death, and then the power redistribution and anarchy that he created by his board will begin, removing convenient for the clan, but effective for the country's economy and authoritative for the people of the people, and putting upright mediocrity, or even just enemies destroying our economy, but homies .. It’s all going like a carbon copy. KPSS-EP is the leading party. And this is alarming!

[mikh-korsakov]

That's what's offensive. After the performance with zeroing, I was firmly convinced that I would vote against the amendments, especially because Putin often lies. But when I was confronted with the unbridled propaganda of liberals like Echo of Moscow, I felt uncomfortable that I seemed to find myself with this company of Moscow tapeworms like Svanidze, Albats, Latynina, etc., and now I don't know what to do. On VO I am stressed by comments without mentioning the names. If someone criticizes Putin himself, then why is he afraid to indicate who exactly would save our economy, and most importantly how he would have done it. In general, it is clear why this is happening. Because passing to the subject analysis, a person himself becomes available for critical analysis. And so ...

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

On VO comments annoy me without mentioning the names. If someone criticizes Putin himself, then why is he afraid to indicate who exactly would save our economy, and most importantly how he would do it

But there are no such people. I wrote that everyone who is more or less in authority among the people (not grant-eaters) either turns into a clan, or cleans up by all available means. And while the clan has a leader they will rule, and then war. Compromising, murders, everything is like in this program. Politics is a dirty business.

[betta]

I WILL VOTE! AND SAY YES!

[Avior]

why he is afraid to indicate who exactly would save our economy, and most importantly how he would do it.

Until August 1999, no one would point to Putin as the person who is about to become President.
All in all, BAB’s efforts were needed

[businessv]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

If someone criticizes Putin himself, then why is he afraid to indicate who exactly would save our economy, and most importantly how he would do it.

At present, anyone who is able to do anything for the country automatically becomes an enemy of the state. There are many literate people, among them there are few decisive and very few people who consciously want to expose themselves and their loved ones under the state machine of repression. We all see how P. Grudinin was defamed and still defamed and pressed, despite his obvious achievements and successes that can be seen, touched and made sure that this is not a fairy tale. I can imagine what will happen to a person who has nothing to confirm his knowledge and skills with! Look at the program of Platoshkin, there is a lot of populism, but there are a lot of common thoughts that are quite possible to apply in the management of our country.

[health]

can you cite five or ten names of "people who are effective for the country's economy and authoritative for the people" who have been removed from power?

[rocket757]

Already then upstairs were those who wanted EVERYTHING and not be controlled by ANYONE.
Although, if you look, they had it, in fact, they only avoided publicity .... greed and arrogance have no borders.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

..... Although, if you look, they had it, in fact, they only avoided publicity ....

Of course we did, Victor. They understood what to hide, or they had not yet come up with a false theory that "there is more socialism." Under this theory and destroyed socialism and the USSR

[Alex Nevs]

And the elections will show.

[Shelest2000]

Not even funny ...

[Pavel57]

Our story is unpredictable.

[Uncle Izya]

According to a number of domestic historians, the root cause should not be sought in the time of the reign of Mikhail Gorbachev, since this is the culmination of the process of dismantling statehood, but in the years preceding it 15-17
If the hunchback had a decisive and tough story, he would go a different way

[knn54]

During the service as a sailor on the Volga, the boatswain told him:
"Life, Yura, is a wet deck. And in order not to slip on it, move slowly. And always choose a place where to put your foot."
He has been guided by this principle all his life.

[steelmaker]

The fact that Andropov did not know what Gorbachev was like? I won’t believe it !! The author is right! The destruction of the USSR was in the plan. Just looking for a man who would do it.
Grudinin, Platoshkin, Delyagin, Glazyev, Starikov - if these people lead Russia, there will definitely NOT BE AN WORSE. And since Putin controls it, you don’t need a mind, it’s enough to CONSCIENCE not!

[mikh-korsakov]

I'll try to figure it out. Did Grudinin still have at least 1000 euros in foreign accounts or not? If he had, then he was lying, that means there is no need for this, there is already one in power, excuses that he forgot are not accepted, I hope you yourself understand why! Platoshkin. Last year I listened to his program - I would have thought of such a thing. Then he looked at his speeches - it turned out to be a brawler - the eggs are not iron, and even blew in Khabarovsk. Delyagin at Norkin carried an outright blizzard about coronavirus. Like, 1 million people died from the Hong Kong flu, and the borders were not closed, and fewer died from the coronavirus, but panic. Simple logic, and what if borders were closed from Hong Kong - less could have died. The brow logic is lame, but this is not for power. Glazyev was Putin's adviser for ten years, but the economy was tremendously new. and remained. So at least people do not have science to convince, this is at least. I can only say good things about Starikov. Last year, in St. Petersburg, his guys — an intellectual bastard trying to rally — broke it specifically. So at least our man.

[iouris]

Andropov selected personnel, he knew not only what Gorbachev was, but also what Raisa Gorbacheva was. He comes from the Stavropol Territory, always rested in the Kavminvody, often in company with Raisa. The Perseks of the resort regions of Medunov, Gorbachev and Shevardnadze had great influence. But there was a "case" of only one Medunov, who was a man of Brezhnev's circle. But who pulled up and put Andropov at the head of the Cheka is an interesting topic. Kuusinen?

[Dart2027]

Corruption has always been, is and will be, and no matter what the system and ideology will be.
But the collapse of the country is a completely different matter and corruption has nothing to do with it.

[iouris]

Quote: Dart2027

Corruption has always been

Do not confuse "corruption" in the USSR and corruption in the colony.

[Dart2027]

Quote: iouris

in the USSR and corruption in the colony

Colonies of whom?

[Alexander Greene]

Unfortunately, the interlocutors discuss only what lies on the surface, namely, the struggle for power in the highest echelons, and do not see the underlying reasons for the restoration of capitalism and the destruction of the USSR. And they constantly repeat the thesis that the USSR has collapsed.

No, the Soviet state did not fall apart, it was purposefully destroyed from the very beginning of its emergence. There was a class struggle inside the country, inside the party, the overthrown exploiting classes did not give up hope for restoration, and those supported from outside continued the struggle against the line of building communism and achieved this in 1991.

This confirmed the thesis of I.V. Stalin, that with the successes of building socialism, the class struggle intensifies. To this we can add that it is not only aggravated, but also becomes even more sophisticated, which is difficult to recognize without knowledge of Marxism.

Therefore, the main reason why the working class, the party could not resist all this, is the political illiteracy of the members of the CPSU and the working masses. If the first pre-revolutionary generation of the Bolsheviks was theoretically savvy, studied Marxism according to the originals, studied the works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, outlined, discussed Capital, verified its positions in discussions, the second post-revolutionary generation was already less prepared.

Mayakovsky then wrote "... we did not teach dialectics according to Hegel ...", i.e. the young communists were at first engaged in the struggle against intervention and the White Guard, then in the practical work of building socialism, they worked 24 hours a day, and they already studied Marxism from brochures in which there were mistakes and distortions of Marxism.

The third generation (post-war 1945) was brought up not on the works of Marx and Lenin, but on feuilletons, articles and quotes. Soaring in the air: "Why should we study Capital when we build socialism?" This generation did not have a deep knowledge of Marxism. As a result, there were few real Bolsheviks who understood the dialectics of the class struggle.

Therefore, after the death of Stalin, they did not know where to move. The problems that faced the Soviet economy at that time were not solved by Marxism; the illiterate members of the CPSU supported the voluntaristic actions of Khrushchev. At the 22nd Congress of the CPSU they abandoned the dictatorship of the proletariat and the class struggle, replaced guiding the role of the working class on leading. Then they adopted the Kosygin reform, which oriented enterprises not to reduce production costs but to profit, which resulted in the birth of a new bourgeoisie. This bourgeoisie, with external support, destroyed the USSR.

Therefore, in the late USSR, as the interlocutors of the video argue, this was no longer a class struggle, but a clan struggle of the Soviet bourgeoisie for power.

Now, in order to bring socialism back, we must again study Marxism, and we must begin the study with “Manifesto of the Communist Party”, “Dialectics” of Hegel and “Capital” by K. Marx.

[Reptiloid]

Greetings, Alexander! Now the Archives of the USSR, Czech Republic, USA, SBU are beginning to open, from which it is clear that the organizations of Milyukov, Milgunov, Maslov after the Revolution immediately sent money, literature to their potential and existing supporters. And the White Guard project worked immediately.

[acetophenone]

Quote: Alexander Green

Now, in order to bring socialism back, we must again study Marxism, and we must begin the study with the “Manifesto of the Communist Party”, the “Dialectics” of Hegel and the “Capital” of K. Marx.

Socialism is not from books. And he didn’t die because someone didn’t read something.

[Dart2027]

Quote: acetophenon

And he didn’t die because someone didn’t read something.

Some, alas, do not understand.

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: acetophenon

Socialism is not from books. And he didn’t die because someone didn’t read something.

As long as there is a capitalist environment, socialism and Soviet power need to be protected, and to protect them, you need to be politically literate ...
And so they hung noodles on everyone’s ears like about equal opportunities for privatization, and everyone believed. Now we disentangle.

[Reptiloid]

Because the majority were formal, probably? Say, why, everything is already fine.
That’s why those who wanted it were able to reorient

Quote: Alexander Green

Quote: acetophenon

Socialism is not from books. And he didn’t die because someone didn’t read something.

As long as there is a capitalist environment, socialism and Soviet power need to be protected, and to protect them, you need to be politically literate ...
And so they hung noodles on everyone’s ears like about equal opportunities for privatization, and everyone believed. Now we disentangle.

[nikvic46]

One writer will lay one egg for centuries. Others will saddle the same topic, but readers will have zero. Now they want to show that it was one factor that could destroy the USSR. There are even fantastic versions. They say that oil has fallen in price and collapse has come. In the absence of a scientific approach, we will not understand this tragedy. Although many experts consider themselves scientists.

[nov_tech.vrn]

Variations on topics, there is an opinion or opinion, information from an informed source. I threw the video in and I seemed to have nothing to do with it. The trick is an old battered one.

[Guazdilla]

You can’t sell a book without a sharp plot.
The author had to be born a little earlier, then his peers would have shamed him for deliberately violent fantasies.

[Pavel Fedorov]

Cryptosionist Anropoulos, agent of world Zionism, is the destroyer of the USSR. Bastard.