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"Putin is not going to request a truce from Saudi Arabia in the oil war" - US press

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A major American publication, The New York Times, published material on the state of the Russian economic system. The publication concluded that the sanctions that had previously been imposed against the Russian Federation, as well as counter-sanctions by Russia itself, made it possible to prepare for economic stress.


The authors of the article write that due to the Russian economy being under sanctions, it has already managed to adapt to crises and other financial and economic challenges. In general, NYT considers the economy stress-resistant.

The American publication sees one of the main advantages for the Russian economy in the fact that Russia has gained actual self-sufficiency in essential foodstuffs - agricultural goods. An additional plus is that Russia has “huge financial reserves with more than modest external debt”.

Another major Western publication, Bloomberg, writes that Russia is taking a tough stance in today's "oil confrontation."

The following is reported:

Putin is not going to request a truce from the Saudi Arabia in the oil war. The thing is that Moscow has prepared for such a development of events.

The publication believes that the Kremlin regards the position of the Saudi authorities as blackmail, but is confident that Russia has more chances to get out of the crisis without any problems in the economy than Saudi Arabia.

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  1. Mouse
    Mouse 21 March 2020 07: 05 New
    22
    The Russians do not give up!
    1. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 21 March 2020 07: 17 New
      -65
      Yes, yes, we are. We’ll do it and will not wipe our ass, so that we won’t take it for weakness. And it’s so interesting at whose expense the next war will be? Sechin? Miller? I think the question is rhetorical. For yours, including.
      1. Cryvedco
        Cryvedco 21 March 2020 07: 27 New
        +1
        Do you have any specific suggestions?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 21 March 2020 08: 40 New
          -29
          Russia and Arabia fill the low market with free oil (from Russia's supply).
          The situation - two rams on the bridge can’t part.

          Drive each other into a crisis for the amusement of others. The smartest will be the one who first gives in to the fool. You need to be able to cut losses and not generate further ones.

          By the way, Western experts are pleased to note that if the situation continues, then very soon in order to sell oil it will be necessary to pay extra to the buyer. Since everyone even has storages full of free oil.
          1. Cryvedco
            Cryvedco 21 March 2020 08: 47 New
            26
            And I think, Saudi Arabia is not a country with which it is worth speaking on an equal footing if they are in a brazen rod against us. It upsets me that the Hussites still haven’t got modern weapons. Anyway, for a long time there was no revolution there ...
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 21 March 2020 09: 03 New
              -13
              Quote: Creedco
              And I think, Saudi Arabia is not a country with which it is worth speaking on equal terms

              Then it is necessary to declare war and force peace. But everyone understands that this will not happen. Then only one option remains. The faster Russia and the SA agree (and it will be anyway, it is only a question of the price that will have to be paid for it), the faster the crisis (oil) will end.

              The whole world is only pulling out from cheaper oil. The United States as a whole, too. The biggest damage is done by SA and Russia.
              Why ruin yourself and give out non-renewable mineral resources for free?
              1. Cryvedco
                Cryvedco 21 March 2020 09: 14 New
                +3
                Quote: Stas157
                Then it is necessary to declare war and force peace.

                If the Hussites shy away from something interesting at some pumping station, a hint of which direction to negotiate will be quite understandable to them. Especially if they themselves suffer from this.
              2. Artemy Morozov
                Artemy Morozov 21 March 2020 10: 07 New
                +4
                This thesis about non-renewable bowels, as well as nerves, has already been refuted. You did not read the article carefully. SA on rafts will supply its cheap oil ?! A hundred times again he will regret his "gifts" and modestly wipe himself with a stingy tear and return to his position. The United States generally let it stick out with its shales until there the hunger riots begin. So we sit quietly and observe the State Department litter.
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 21 March 2020 18: 36 New
                  12
                  Quote: Artemy Morozov
                  SA on rafts will supply its cheap oil ?! A hundred times again he will regret his "gifts" and modestly wipe himself with a stingy tear and return to his position.

                  already!!! wink duplicate your comment !!!

                  Today, Saudi Arabia and Iraq said they could not provide an early declared discount. This is due to the fact that due to the fall in demand for black gold in Europe and Asia, the extracted oil simply has nowhere to store. Accordingly, supertankers that carry Arab oil began to be used as reservoirs.
                  Most tankers are already full, and there are no customers on them yet. In connection with this situation, the rate on freight of tankers has increased recently by 700% - from $ 30 thousand per day to $ 250 thousand / day.

                  https://zen.yandex.ru/media/dvinsy/rossiia-nachinaet-pobejdat-v-neftianoi-voine-5e74a7a0f702ae63facf06d8?&utm_campaign=dbr
              3. Tuzik
                Tuzik 21 March 2020 10: 45 New
                +3
                In general, the Americans arranged this crisis through sa, and it is directed first of all against Venezuela and Iran.
              4. Irokez
                Irokez 21 March 2020 10: 50 New
                15
                Quote: Stas157
                The whole world is only pulling out from cheaper oil.

                In the short term, yes.
                Quote: Stas157
                The United States as a whole, too.

                Watching which side to look.
                Quote: Stas157
                The biggest damage is done by SA and Russia.

                In the short term, yes.
                Quote: Stas157
                Why ruin yourself

                Nobody is ruining himself - this is an endurance war and there will be a winner, and this is the most important thing in the long run. In a fight, both get bruises, but the strongest wins.
                It’s time to understand that the world is changing and changing under the new world order when something collapses and a new one is built. It’s just that we all (like the gentiles) were instilled with the opinion that a new global order will be built by globalists and that they don’t have to resist and lie down as they tell you, but it turned out to be the imagination and wishes of our “partners” and “helpers”.
                In fact, the new world order will be built differently and differently and everything will be OK (I found out).
              5. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 12: 05 New
                -1
                Quote: Stas157
                Whole world only rips out from cheaper oil

                good laughing good ... to tears... laughing

                What are you doing, wicked request

                PS: by the way, Freud's reservation. Consumption has already fallen, and production is increasing. The same Saudi - already problems with storage of the mined, and the rental of tankers has already doubled in price ... we stock up on small fish, we observe winked
              6. Igoresha
                Igoresha 22 March 2020 17: 40 New
                -5
                to give away non-renewable mineral resources for free?
                Russia is an energy appendage of the West. The USSR also boycotted the Opekovsky agreement on reducing production and drove crude oil to Europe. 50 years have passed since the 70s and nothing has changed
              7. Gost2012
                Gost2012 22 March 2020 20: 40 New
                +3
                Quote: Stas157
                Quote: Creedco
                And I think, Saudi Arabia is not a country with which it is worth speaking on equal terms
                Then we must declare war and force peace ...
                ... The faster Russia and the SA agree ...
                The United States as a whole - too ...

                Damage to all participants. Russia is smaller than the rest, because it’s ready and does not shoot at idle. The point is to agree, and the sooner the better, but on the terms of the Russian Federation. This is a compulsion to peace, or rather a deal, on terms that the Russian Federation considers fair. And the fair conditions are that the United States is now a major oil exporter and should just as well take part in restricting production and exports, together with the Russian Federation and the CA, if they want to support prices. Well, at the same time a little cool young, but hot prince.
            2. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 21 March 2020 09: 55 New
              +9
              Little of. Saudis throw Russia - this is a bonus. Firstly, to the course of Islam, which will dominate in the SA the kidnapping of “infidels” is happiness. Secondly, the entire CA establishment is firmly (through loot) connected with the West, with the United States in the first place. The Saudis want to play an honest game with us, they instantly put in the pose of a beaver. They understand that.
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 21 March 2020 18: 41 New
                +4
                Quote: Okolotochny
                Saudis throw Russia is a bonus

                get out of such a bonus !!! wink laughing
            3. ROSS_51
              ROSS_51 21 March 2020 23: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Creedco
              And I think, Saudi Arabia is not a country with which it is worth speaking on an equal footing if they are in a brazen rod against us. It upsets me that the Hussites still haven’t got modern weapons. Anyway, for a long time there was no revolution there ...

              Yes, no rushing SA against us. Russia and the SA together suppress US shale. The process has already begun.
          2. Maikcg
            Maikcg 21 March 2020 12: 59 New
            +3
            When we reduce production with the Saudis, the Americans occupy this volume in the market, and since the Saudis are long-standing allies of the United States, then ... so do not cut badly and cut badly by the same amount. But if you do not cut back, the partners who started this war will get sick. The smartest one will not be the one to give in (turn the other cheek?), But the one who will bomb the Saudis nafig, when the fucking sheikhs return to their camels with oil, everything will be fine.
          3. Torak
            Torak 21 March 2020 13: 06 New
            -3
            You are a liar and an enemy, and if my will were to answer in all severity of the Criminal Code. It was the Saudis who proposed to increase the price of oil in the UNILATERAL ORDER!, Which de facto meant partially to leave the market.
          4. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 21 March 2020 18: 05 New
            +8
            Quote: Stas157
            Russia and Arabia fill the low market with free oil (from Russia's supply).
            The situation - two rams on the bridge can’t part.

            Drive each other into a crisis for the amusement of others. The smartest will be the one who first gives in to the fool. You need to be able to cut losses and not generate further ones.

            By the way, Western experts are pleased to note that if the situation continues, then very soon in order to sell oil it will be necessary to pay extra to the buyer. Since everyone even has storages full of free oil.

            study the material better ... otherwise we are glad to listen to everything that is against Russia ... but you don’t perceive normal anything !!! fool laughing

            Today, Saudi Arabia and Iraq said they could not provide an early declared discount. This is due to the fact that due to the fall in demand for black gold in Europe and Asia, the extracted oil simply has nowhere to store. Accordingly, supertankers that carry Arab oil began to be used as reservoirs.
            Most tankers are already full, and there are no customers on them yet. In connection with this situation, the rate on freight of tankers has increased recently by 700% - from $ 30 thousand per day to $ 250 thousand / day.

            https://zen.yandex.ru/media/dvinsy/rossiia-nachinaet-pobejdat-v-neftianoi-voine-5e74a7a0f702ae63facf06d8?&utm_campaign=dbr
          5. ROSS_51
            ROSS_51 21 March 2020 23: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: Stas157
            Russia and Arabia fill the low market with free oil (from Russia's supply).
            The situation - two rams on the bridge can’t part.

            Drive each other into a crisis for the amusement of others. The smartest will be the one who first gives in to the fool. You need to be able to cut losses and not generate further ones.

            By the way, Western experts are pleased to note that if the situation continues, then very soon in order to sell oil it will be necessary to pay extra to the buyer. Since everyone even has storages full of free oil.

            Stas, you have the unique ability to say stupid things with clever words.
        2. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 21 March 2020 09: 51 New
          +3
          I do not have them (they have). There is one sentence - Katz offers to give up)))
        3. svp67
          svp67 21 March 2020 10: 07 New
          +4
          Quote: Creedco
          Do you have any specific suggestions?

          Well, he, apparently like Katz, offers to give up ...
          One thing I can say is that it is not in Russia and not in Saudi Arabia. This is such an "unobtrusive", purely "Trump" invitation to the United States to the negotiating table on the issue of quotas for oil production, that’s all
        4. krillon
          krillon 21 March 2020 19: 31 New
          +1
          Katz offers to give up ..
      2. Amateur
        Amateur 21 March 2020 07: 42 New
        15
        Yes, yes, we are. We’ll do it and will not wipe our ass, so that we do not consider it weakness

        Well, so sit on your “uncovered” and do not meddle in our VO. am
      3. bar
        bar 21 March 2020 07: 57 New
        16
        Katz once again offers to give up. But the problem is that Asians, sensing slack, will trample us into the ground. You cannot negotiate with them, just push.
      4. Ros 56
        Ros 56 21 March 2020 08: 22 New
        -4
        So go to your banderlogy and there crow.
      5. Malyuta
        Malyuta 21 March 2020 08: 24 New
        +1
        The Russian people will have to check all these conclusions of the American analytechhof on the stress resistance of the Russian economy in their own skin.
        1. ML-334
          ML-334 21 March 2020 08: 36 New
          +2
          Malyuta, didn’t you live in Russia in the 90s? You’re talking all kind of nonsense. The Americans wanted to pump their “shale” while reducing Russia, but oil didn’t work and don’t bark at Putin — they don’t like him in the West, and therefore he is doing everything right and in order to not see it, he must be a moron or worse liberal.
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 21 March 2020 09: 13 New
            +8
            Quote: ML-334
            Malyuta, didn’t you live in Russia in the 90s? You’re talking all kind of nonsense.

            Carry a blizzard is your prerogative with evening M.
            Quote: ML-334
            The Americans wanted to pump their "shale" with the reduction of Russia oil did not work

            Loss of the shale market for mattresses is like a pellet for an elephant, it ranges from 0,5 to 1% percent, moreover, you can afford to subsidize this industry or simply preserve shale mining.
            And I remind you that in Soviet times, oil prices fell to 6-8 dollars without any shale.
            You haters are poorly aware of the fact that the Saudis can easily increase their daily oil production and stupidly squeeze the Russian Federation out of traditional markets, while not losing the total revenue to the budget, they will take volumes, but the Russian Federation works almost at the limit of possibilities and Only people with low social responsibility and low below 50 Aykew can compete in prices with the Saudis.
            Quote: ML-334
            you don’t have to bark at Putin, they don’t like him in the West, and therefore he is doing everything right, and in order not to see this, you have to be a moron or worse, a liberal.

            Well, let's start with the fact that Putin calls himself the most important liberal, his mustachioed gunman constantly broadcasts about this, and in your gradations liberals are liberals and which one is better / worse is for you to understand.
            In addition, I absolutely do not give a damn about who, where and how he loves / dislikes Putin, I can only state one thing that the sympathy for this citizen in the Russian Federation is greatly exaggerated in your head.
            Stop charging three-liter cans of water from the TV, and even so close to trouble.
            1. ML-334
              ML-334 24 March 2020 15: 30 New
              0
              And you take the saucepan worse than a liberalist, only a lad with a saucepan on his head spewing guano not from a duphole but from his mouth. Unlike yours, ours is definitely not a sucker and proved it by putting yours in a stall that parsley is green and your erdogash’s sidekick, your owner is about to withdraw sanctions because of a "puddle".
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 21 March 2020 09: 23 New
            -4
            Quote: ML-334
            Malyuta, didn’t you live in Russia in the 90s? Everything is somehow you are talking nonsense.

            You seem to have lived there alone. Tell me how scary!

            Quote: ML-334
            Americans wanted download your "slate"

            You need to answer simple questions:

            - Will the “shale” be killed by the oil war?
            - who more losing in a situation of low oil prices?

            Let me tell you, in general, the United States, even in a slight plus, remains from cheap oil (unlike Russia)! The USA is the largest oil consumer in the world. "Shale" is bad, but all other industries are good.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 21 March 2020 13: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: Stas157
              You need to answer simple questions:

              - Will the “shale” be killed by the oil war?
              It will not be killed, but in a state of deep dystrophy it will be driven for a long time.
              Quote: Stas157
              - Who loses more in a situation of low oil prices?

              If simplified, it is understood as something like this; - Our budget is calculated based on the cost of a barrel of $ 40, and for the Saudis from the cost of $ 60. When oil falls to 15 green rubles, we need to report 40 rubles from the reserves of 25 rubles, and the Saudis 45 rubles to their budget of 60. Do you notice the difference? At the same time, Russia's reserves are 200 billion more than the CA. So objectively, S. Arabia may be in the promotion. The ability to cover currency shortages with oil is also limited by the fact that at some point supply will exceed demand. So you have to sit down at the negotiating table and seek consensus to satisfy the interests of both parties. In the meantime, this bodyagion will last, the SA and the Russian Federation will receive a bonus in the form of "tired" slate.
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 21 March 2020 14: 50 New
                12
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                If simplified, it is understood as something like this; - Our budget is calculated based on the cost of a barrel of $ 40, and for the Saudis from the cost of $ 60. When oil falls to 15 green rubles, we need to report 40 rubles from the reserves of 25 rubles, and the Saudis 45 rubles to their budget of 60. Do you notice the difference? At the same time, Russia's reserves are 200 billion more than the CA. So objectively, S. Arabia may be in the promotion

                Where do you get such info from? From the drain tanks? evening M.?
                For you personally 1) The amount of the stabilization fund is approx. equal to the debts of companies, under the guarantee of the state vAF
                2) Mining companies are subject to the so-called flexible holding system, i.e. the lower the world oil price, the less the miners pay on a budget
                3) the price of oil is of little concern to the producers themselves, they will take their margins, but the budget will remain with a hole.
                4) The stabilization fund has already begun to be taken for the purchase of Sberbank from themselves. What other operations are carried out with the stabilization fund is a mystery for the 146th seals.
                5) The crisis in the oil market provoked the Russian Federation itself !!!
                And now the most important thing!
                On Thursday I refueled 92nd gasoline at 42,7, and today at 45,2 at Lukoil !!!

                and now the question is, who will be minus the oil war, are we citizens of the Russian Federation or citizens of the SA ????
                Maybe it finally comes to you that they’re climbing into your pocket or not ?, we will hold on to the name of Sechin, Miller and the bourgeoisie! Om-yum!
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 15: 02 New
                  -7
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  flexible system ofcrapshenia

                  good laughing good ... according to Freud, according to Freud ... laughing

                  Ecuy, I’ll get along here, dear yes
                2. krillon
                  krillon 21 March 2020 19: 36 New
                  +5
                  Anyone who knows little will judge soon.
                3. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 21 March 2020 19: 50 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  Where do you get such info from? From the drain tanks? evening M.?

                  First wise guy, take it as a rule - "Do not be ham, but you will be unhammed"
                  Secondly, do not transfer your personal habits of rummaging through the drain tanks and garbage cans to the audience. What can you do if I have grown only to the drain tank? Well, it’s not possible for me to go down to your level and scoop out of the intake bag.
                  Thirdly, in this particular case I operate on the article’s data and expressed my understanding within the framework of the question asked by the colleague “Stas 157”. I see that you are different - what's the problem? I do not impose my opinion on you.
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  And now the most important thing!
                  On Thursday I refueled 92nd gasoline at 42,7, and today at 45,2 at Lukoil !!!

                  From which vegetable did you decide that your price claims for Lukoil's gas stations, in relation to other problems that the Russians are facing, have become the most important for everyone?
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  and now the question is, who will be minus the oil war, are we citizens of the Russian Federation or citizens of the SA ????
                  And plagiarize almost the same question that has already been voiced by "Stas 157"
                  - Who loses more in a situation of low oil prices?
                  Is this your hobby? My answer will be the same as before. Saudi Arabia will remain in the promotion. Your jumps at gas stations with hands sechin in the pockets of the layman, they did not convince me otherwise. And yet yes, that’s what mattresses write about the stabilization fund and the debts of companies under the guarantees of the Russian Federation
                  An additional plus is that Russia has “huge financial reserves with more than modest external debt.”
                  and even before the heap
                  Russia has more chances to get out of the crisis without any problems in the economy than Saudi Arabia.
                  Have you ever tried to read and comprehend the article?
                  1. Malyuta
                    Malyuta 21 March 2020 22: 20 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky (Dmitry)


                    Citizen Nyrobsky! I am very sorry, but where, and in which place of my comment did you see the hamsvo allowed by me? I would like to hear.
                    But your snobbery, mentor tone, aggressive writing style and undisguised rudeness, most likely expose you in an unseemly light.
                    I remember this is not your first passage to me, when you, along with a certain “clover” or “kleber,” tried to write me down in Western zheidam masses of agents of the Gas Department, but they made me laugh. And now re-read all your comments and try to comprehend them. The first two points we lower your boorish hysteria, but we delve into the third
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Thirdly, in this particular case I operate on article data

                    What the hell could you draw from two scanty quotes from the original sources that were scribbled by some kind of scribble?
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Our budget is based on the cost of a barrel of $ 40, while the Saudis have a cost of $ 60. When oil falls to 15 green rubles, we need to report 40 rubles from the reserves of 25 rubles, and the Saudis 45 rubles to their budget of 60. Do you notice the difference? At the same time, Russia's reserves are 200 billion more than the CA. So objectively, S. Arabia may be in the promotion. The ability to cover currency shortages with oil is also limited due to the fact that at some point supply will exceed demand

                    Therefore, I ask you to find out where you are getting the info from? But besides baby talk with an attempt to humiliate your opponent to increase .... ugh you .. why did I write so much? It was easier to send to hell, one fick will not get anything. Next time I will write to you very clearly, clearly and perfectly for you, so that there are no misunderstandings !.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 22: 29 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Nyrobsky
                      Our budget is based on the cost of a barrel of $ 40, and the Saudis from the cost of $ 60

                      Quote: Malyuta
                      Therefore, I ask to ask you where you get info?

                      The fact that you are "interested in asking" is commendable, but why yell like that? belay laughing

                      Kamrad Nyrobsky was a little mistaken - not 60, but 80:

                      Given that the national currency — the riyal — in Saudi Arabia is fixed and held by the central bank at 3,75 riyal per dollar, the royal family needs oil in the range of 80 to 85 dollars per barrel to reduce the budget, estimates IMF chief economist for the Middle East Jihad Azur


                      Enlighten yes
              2. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 21 March 2020 18: 45 New
                +5
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                and the Saudis out of the cost of $ 60.

                out of 80 !!! wink
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 21 March 2020 19: 59 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Nikolai Grek
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  and the Saudis out of the cost of $ 60.

                  out of 80 !!! wink

                  Especially. So they will be exhaled even faster than I expected hi
                  1. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 21 March 2020 20: 22 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Quote: Nikolai Grek
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    and the Saudis out of the cost of $ 60.

                    out of 80 !!! wink

                    Especially. So they will be exhaled even faster than I expected hi

                    so someone, and the Saudis would not try to compete with Russia ... I also found a scientific power !! wassat lol
              3. Stas157
                Stas157 21 March 2020 22: 44 New
                -1
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Our budget is based on the cost of the barrel 40 dollars, and the Saudis from the cost of 60 dollars. If the oil falls to 15 green rubles, we need to report 40 rubles from the reserves to the budget 25, and the Saudis 45 rubles to their budget 60. Do you notice the difference? At the same time, Russia's reserves are 200 billion more than the CA. So objectively, S. Arabia may be in the promotion.

                You are not writing about oil now, but about how many losses the Russian budget can sustain. And trying to prove that the budget of the SA can withstand less. Maybe you are right. But I wrote about something else. How much do Russia and SA lose from each barrel of oil sold, and how much as a whole of the total. According to Western economists, Russia is losing almost twice as much as SA. I have not seen the estimates of Russian economists.
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 21 March 2020 23: 43 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Stas157

                  You are not writing about oil now, but about how many losses the Russian budget can sustain. And trying to prove that the budget of the SA can withstand less. Maybe you are right. But I wrote about something else. How much Russia and SA are losing from each barrel of oil sold and how much as a whole in total on volume. According to Western economists, Russia is losing almost twice as much as SA. I have not seen the estimates of Russian economists.

                  If we take into account the fact that the cost of production from the Saudis is $ 20 per barrel, and in Russia is 40, then, in terms of profitability (today barrel 27), the Saudis do not lose anything and have $ 7 in plus, while we have $ 13 in minus. Here we are in prom. This is for profitability. If we take the pros and cons for each side with an eye to filling and executing the budget, then here (with a budget of 40) we have the same minus 13 dollars, despite the fact that the Saudis (with a budget, as colleagues corrected at 80) already have a minus 53 dollars. There are already Saudis in the promotion. As they say, "debit with credit" can be either an increase in sales volumes, or by covering the difference from gold reserves. In the first case, a glut of the market will lead to a decrease in price below cost even for SA, which in turn will lead to an even greater withdrawal of funds from the reserve. In principle, both sides walk along the edge and wait for someone to blink first. There also mattresses began to ventilate the topic in order to create an alliance with the Saudis to the peak of Russia, which is bad. I wonder if our analysts considered this alignment as possible when they went to break the deal? In the process, only the tireless Hussite children can correct these plans.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 21 March 2020 23: 52 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    If we take the pros and cons for each side with an eye to filling and executing the budget, then here (with a budget of 40) we have the same minus 13 dollars, despite the fact that the Saudis (with a budget, as colleagues corrected at 80) already have a minus 53 dollars

                    Before breeding this kind of math, it might be worthwhile first to cite, for example, the volumes of the Saudi budget and its structure. And compare it with the Russian one. It is quite possible that it will turn out as if in imperishable ...while fat grow thin, skinny-die
                    And then to write from the ceiling all these debits / credits, not even with a pitchfork
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 23: 55 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Liam
                      maybe you should first give for example the volume of the Saudi budget and its structure. And compare with the Russian

                      So bring that bothers you?

                      Quote: Liam
                      It is quite possible that it will turn out as if in imperishable ...

                      Or maybe it won’t work out ... they said - go ahead, the initiative, as you know, ahem ... loves the initiator yes
          3. Malyuta
            Malyuta 21 March 2020 09: 25 New
            -10
            Quote: ML-334
            therefore everything is doing right and in order not to see this one has to be a moron or worse liberal.

            You are fighting the Coronovirus so far, since you already have a team!
            1. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 21 March 2020 16: 29 New
              +1
              Finally, they found the vaccine.
          4. Vadim777
            Vadim777 24 March 2020 10: 28 New
            -4
            Do you think he is loved very much in Russia?
        2. Rusland
          Rusland 21 March 2020 19: 41 New
          +5
          Quote: Malyuta
          The Russian people will have to check all these conclusions of the American analytechhof on the stress resistance of the Russian economy in their own skin.

          We are all in one skin here, but it looks like you have been allocated a place in it at its final point. Hence the moan and tears. Bear with a friend, otherwise you will become a traitor to the Russian land. yes
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 21 March 2020 23: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Rusland
            We are all in one skin here, but it looks like you have been allocated a place in it at its final point. Hence the moan and tears

            Have you experimentally determined where this very skin starts, where is the end, or did you go all this glorious way from end to beginning? Or from beginning to end, or maybe you are moving in a circle, then this is a completely incomprehensible food chain for me. And so, spinning tirelessly with that trial, but there are no traitors, right? After all, everything your own, dear, inspired? And there are no tantrums, these, damn tears, it's just a weather forecast
      6. Thrifty
        Thrifty 21 March 2020 09: 01 New
        +3
        Panchenko Nikolay - send toilet paper? ? And, why are you talking about YOURSELF write WE, as if you are the emperor of Russia? Have you really decided to write on behalf of all of Russia? And who authorized you to this then?
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        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 21 March 2020 09: 55 New
          -2
          It’s amazing that some comrades who, after listening to Kisel-Solovyov TV, believe that Russia, without signing an agreement with the Arabs on oil, thus shot itself in the foot, but at least, would “kill” shale oil in the USA, and at the most, do away with the USA. Well, it’s clear that they don’t even have a close idea of ​​what the USA and their economy really are, it’s understandable if every day you listen to the mantra that the USA is “breathing in the bud”, “about to bend” , “the dollar will collapse soon,” “Yellowstone will explode,” “the United States keeps on the banking sector and buys nothing and buys everything from China,” etc. of course, you won’t think differently, especially if you don’t earn a salary by selling your labor in market conditions, and you’re sitting on a “military pension” “according to the length of service”, and therefore everything else is on the drum for you, you know that every month the pension “for length of service” drops into your wallet and it will drop, and because the other came from - because of the collapsing economy of the country, this is nonsense, it does not concern me, let them, somehow, get out. But look how "America is bad!" And this is the main point! Let the whole population in Russia go bankrupt, lose the last pants, but then, America will be bad! They, like those "rogues" from an old joke, who found, dug up an old cast-iron cannon from the time of Catherine in the garden and decided to shoot from outside Moscow. They filled it with gunpowder, stuck a stone in the trunk, pointed it to the direction where, in their opinion, Moscow was located and brought the wick to the seed hole — the gun shot and burst into pieces — who killed, crippled. Two crippled rogues lie in the hospital, and one says to the other: “Bach Mikola, how did it bang, do you beat the chocolates around?” And the second in response, "Yeah ... So the cake is in us, but sho at the Muscovites is working! ...." ....
          1. Motorist
            Motorist 21 March 2020 14: 13 New
            +1
            they don’t even imagine what the USA and its economy really are

            GDP in "developed" countries is bloated. I know from my own experience. Compare (with a big stretch) is possible only by PPP.
          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 21 March 2020 18: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: Snail N9
            Striking is the nearness of individual comrades who, having heard from Kisel-Soloviev TV, consider

            what I wonder who you heard enough of and think ?? !!! wassat laughing
        2. seregin-s1
          seregin-s1 21 March 2020 10: 19 New
          +6
          Your training manual is out of date. Both eggs and seed are produced in Russia. Yandex to help. Broiler chickens are even produced on Sakhalin.
          1. antique
            antique 21 March 2020 14: 01 New
            -3
            I always write the truth. Therefore, do not talk about the beautiful present. We know what it is.
            Cit. The share of imported seed potatoes and seeds of sugar beet hybrids is 80% and 98%, respectively, on the Russian market, the head of the Ministry of Agriculture of the Russian Federation Dmitry Patrushev said at a meeting in Vladikavkaz.
            “The breeding and genetic material of broiler poultry farming in Russia is fully imported from us, a similar situation exists for a number of other types of raw materials and food products. End of quote.
            So it's time to throw you your training manual.
          2. antique
            antique 21 March 2020 14: 06 New
            -4
            According to the Director of the Department of Scientific and Technological Policy and Education of the Ministry of Agriculture of Russia Vladimir Avdeenko, import dependence on seeds of vegetables reaches 47%, on forage crops - up to 90%, in breeding and nursery of fruit, berry and nut crops - up to 70%.
          3. antique
            antique 21 March 2020 14: 12 New
            -3
            Chairman of the Federation Council Valentina Matvienko criticized the situation with the production of domestic seeds. According to her, the industry is “completely ruined”, and the Ministry of Agriculture is not taking the necessary measures. She drew attention to the fact that Russia is dependent on foreign partners in this area, and agricultural products are mainly grown from imported seeds.
      8. NEXUS
        NEXUS 21 March 2020 19: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
        And so it is interesting at whose expense the next war will be? Sechin? Miller? I think the question is rhetorical. For yours as well.

        Dear, have we started this war? Do you offer little hands up and go back to substitute mattresses? So this is apparently your life credo, but certainly not the majority of citizens of the Russian Federation.
        The war did not start yesterday, and not even 50 years ago, but much earlier. This oil war is only one part of the global war with us. Or have you been in a coma for the past 30 years that you still can’t tear your eyes out? Well then, not to VO, but to the orderlies.
    2. Po-tzan
      Po-tzan 21 March 2020 20: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: Mouse
      The Russians do not give up!

      For Putin, for Sechin for Zolotov’s dacha! In the attack on shale oil until the last Russian URAYAYAYA !!!!


    3. Voltsky
      Voltsky 22 March 2020 21: 36 New
      -1
      Quote: Mouse
      The Russians do not give up!

      and the point is to arrange war if you are not going to win ?!
  2. The popuas
    The popuas 21 March 2020 07: 06 New
    +1
    We will see who is who! Here Sechin read the interview, he said that the cost of oil production in Russia is 3'5 dollars .... I was very surprised at these words! recourse So I think she’s soft soldier
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 21 March 2020 07: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Popuas
      We will see who is who! Here Sechin read the interview, he said that the cost of oil production in Russia is 3'5 dollars .... I was very surprised at these words! recourse So I think she’s soft soldier

      So the dollar today is 13 times cheaper than under Stalin. our prime cost of oil will always be high with low quality. geography, geology do not have
      1. bar
        bar 21 March 2020 08: 01 New
        +8
        our prime cost of oil will always be high with low quality. geography, geology do not have

        No luck with the country? We have the majority of agriculture in the risky farming zone. But nothing, they somehow managed to provide themselves with grain. It’s also a sin to complain about natural resources
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 21 March 2020 11: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: bar
          It’s also a sin to complain about natural resources

          Natural resources is also the merit of Putin ?! belay
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 11: 18 New
            -3
            Quote: Malyuta
            Quote: bar
            It’s also a sin to complain about natural resources

            Natural resources is also the merit of Putin ?! belay

            Well, you know very well that Putin did not, cannot and cannot have merit. Basically, he spoils you under the door, but he has no more merit laughing
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 21 March 2020 22: 44 New
              +6
              In the recollections of this citizen’s childhood, there is a curious detail that they liked to run into the trolley / bus with the roots and spoil the air there and laugh, to run away, such a pastime of these wonderful kids was very amusing, but we were all from childhood ....
              PySy. I’m looking at you and wondering how you can first scroll through the entire site, then yourself on the site and enjoy it. How do you do this ... just an unearthly talent.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 22: 46 New
                -4
                Quote: Malyuta
                PySy. I look at you and wonder ...

                ... I told you about the "oil for $ 80 for Saudi" threw a link, you look better, be surprised.

                And your opinion of me doesn’t bother me at all request
                1. Malyuta
                  Malyuta 21 March 2020 23: 31 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  I told you about the "oil for $ 80 for Saudi" threw a reference, you look better, be surprised.

                  Are you also at the door ?! If you are ahead or vice versa, then you can’t pick it up anymore, everything is rotten, only the sanitary treatment, you yourself understand, belay pandemic!
                  Once again, I apologize, but I didn’t express opinions about you, even evaluative ones, I was simply surprised ...., sorry again, that cut you off from important matters hi
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 23: 34 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Malyuta
                    picking up is no longer possible, everything is rotten, only sanitization

                    Yes, after talking with people like you, it is sometimes necessary yes

                    But, the matter of time, as they say ... proceed to the budget of Saudi, laid out for oil at $ 80 - 85. When the material is assimilated, go wink
          2. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 21 March 2020 13: 31 New
            +5
            Quote: Malyuta
            Quote: bar
            It’s also a sin to complain about natural resources

            Natural resources is also the merit of Putin ?! belay

            No, this is a gift of God. Natural resources were before Putin, there is under Putin, and will be after Putin. By the way, a clip about natural resources
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 21 March 2020 13: 59 New
              +3
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              No, it's a gift of God. The reserves of natural resources were before Putin, there is under Putin, and will be after Putin

              What was and is is a fact, but the fact that this company can pump a lot of things, dig it out, cut it out and sell it out is also a fact!
              And it may turn out that when people wake up from the zombie MOROC, our children and grandchildren will have holes from wells, swampy stumps instead of taiga, lunar landscapes instead of quarries and mines, smelly swamps instead of rivers and lakes and dirty stinky radioactive garbage in all territories of a once-great country.
            2. Nik2013
              Nik2013 21 March 2020 23: 00 New
              +1
              The example of Norway does not tell you anything.
          3. Titus
            Titus 21 March 2020 14: 26 New
            -1
            Yes, yes, as winter passed during the USSR, summer came, thanks n ..... for that, and according to some, everything is good from the president.
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 21 March 2020 09: 58 New
        +3
        Do you know the exchange rate for what happened under Stalin ??? Announce. The data of the newspapers Izvestia, Truth not to cite.
    2. The popuas
      The popuas 21 March 2020 07: 21 New
      +4
      Sorry 3'1dollar per barrel! And with the current production, without exploring new deposits, Russia can pump 22 years ... belay Ufff ... if not bluffing angry
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 21 March 2020 08: 00 New
        0
        Why do you measure the dollar in inches or minutes? wink
        So all the same 3,10 or 31 bucks?
        1. The popuas
          The popuas 21 March 2020 08: 03 New
          +3
          May it be to you ... smile realized that they were faulting the comma
      2. kepmor
        kepmor 21 March 2020 08: 01 New
        +7
        he doesn’t bluff ... he just lies ...
        of easily added oil, with a profitability of production of 3-5 bucks per barrel, we have only about 25% and this does not include refining, pumping with delivery to refineries or terminals ... the rest is from the category of hard-to-recover formations ... and the prime cost is completely different there. ..
        and for 22 years to download already explored, you need a robust investment so ...
        1. The popuas
          The popuas 21 March 2020 08: 05 New
          +1
          Bluffing and lying aren’t the same thing ... recourse as they say for what I bought, for that I sell ... hi and yes, read my first comment no
        2. Mitroha
          Mitroha 21 March 2020 08: 07 New
          11
          In the light of recent events, when it turned out that not only oil workers, but also tanker owners want to be rich, perhaps it makes sense to consider the cost of oil not at the derrick, but at transfer to the consumer?
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 21 March 2020 09: 53 New
            13
            Quote: Mitroha
            but also the owners of the tankers,

            However, the freight jumped slightly. fellow Further, pure mathematics with the consequences:
            Today, Saudi Arabia and Iraq said they could not provide an early declared discount. This is due to the fact that due to the fall in demand for black gold in Europe and Asia, the extracted oil simply has nowhere to store. Accordingly, supertankers that carry Arab oil began to be used as reservoirs.
            Most tankers are already full, and there are no customers on them yet. In connection with this situation, the rate on freight of tankers has increased recently by 700% - from $ 30 thousand per day to $ 250 thousand / day.
            Now let's calculate the economy. Brent is currently trading around $ 30 per barrel. One supertanker holds about 2 million barrels of oil. This is about 60 million dollars. The announced Saudi discount is $ 8, that is, the cost of the tanker is $ 44 million. Thus, the buyer would save $ 16 million from one supertanker. But not so simple.
            The way from the Persian Gulf to Europe is plus or minus 25-30 days. At the current freight rate - 7.5 million dollars instead of 900 thousand earlier. However, the tanker must make the return trip. This is another 7.5 million dollars. Total - 15 million dollars.
            It turns out that the announced discount of $ 16 million is completely leveled by the cost of logistics.
            Plus, European buyers are forced to bear the costs associated with the transshipment of black gold in the port and delivery to the refinery. It turns out that the proposal for Arab oil is not more profitable than Russian.
            In this regard, buyers cancel the previously concluded contracts with Saudi Arabia, because they can not bear such costs for the payment of logistics.
            But the main consequence of this whole story is different. In current conditions, Saudi Arabia is not able to increase oil production to the declared 12.3 million barrels / day. No, of course, it can technically do it without problems, but nobody will simply buy this oil. There is no more storage space either. Therefore, what to do with it is not clear.
        3. GRIGORIY76
          GRIGORIY76 21 March 2020 08: 13 New
          -2
          You can’t post such info here, they told you that we have a profitability of $ 3,5.
        4. Malyuta
          Malyuta 21 March 2020 08: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: kepmor
          and for 22 years to download already explored, you need a robust investment so ...

          But you must admit that sucking oil from prospecting fields is still cheaper than exploring and exploring new ones.
      3. Basil50
        Basil50 21 March 2020 09: 12 New
        +2
        Papuan
        Sechin does not bluff.
        By the way, in the technology of oil production, RUSSIA is ahead of the * planet *, and therefore the figures are the same in cost.
        1. Kisa
          Kisa 21 March 2020 09: 38 New
          +2
          a bankrupt BP after a spill in a gulf of a fine of 40 billion rubles is drilled for the Russian Federation at the same Prilazlomnaya. horizontal drilling up to 7km horizontally pipe technology lubricant cutters all from there
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta 21 March 2020 08: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Popuas
      Here Sechin read the interview, he said that the cost of oil production in Russia is 3'5 dollars .... I was very surprised at these words!

      Sechin, as is customary at the top, always lies in everything. Russian oil can’t cost 3,5 bucks NIKAK, patamushta, it is difficult to extract, it is located far away, it’s called shoulder, and there’s a lot of sulfur in it. the range of 15-25 dollars.
    4. LMN
      LMN 21 March 2020 09: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Popuas
      We will see who is who! Here Sechin read the interview, he said that the cost of oil production in Russia is 3'5 dollars .... I was very surprised at these words! recourse So I think she’s soft soldier

      Tatneft CEO Nail Maganov said the company is ready to continue production at a cost of oil of $ 8 per barrel. He said this before a meeting of representatives of the country's oil company with the head of the Russian Ministry of Energy Alexander Novak, TASS reports.

      hi
      Another issue is that the price varies by region.
  3. andrewkor
    andrewkor 21 March 2020 07: 09 New
    +2
    To this "pregnant" prince, his hands to the elbow in the blood (of a dismembered journalist). How else to greet such yet? Grand politician, however!
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 21 March 2020 08: 14 New
      -2
      Well then, handshakes in the world, unless the pope and the warmed togger remain ...
  4. Andobor
    Andobor 21 March 2020 07: 29 New
    16
    In response to Trump’s accusations against Russia and Saudi Arabia, the Kremlin said it "understands the problems of American shale producers."
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 21 March 2020 08: 17 New
      +2
      "understand the problems of American shale producers."
      And even condole them)
      1. Andobor
        Andobor 21 March 2020 08: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Mitroha
        understand the problems of American shale producers

        Yes, it doesn’t matter to us who will remain in the market, the Saudis or the shale, for some of them there is a place.
  5. signifera
    signifera 21 March 2020 07: 33 New
    -3
    And what kind of external debt do we have? Who should we? Our budget surplus, GDP growth, and the number of US bonds are unrealistic. Do you still have a debt with interest? Which are higher than bond income)

    But we will defeat the Saudis and the rest, it’s without question. The main thing is that the population’s expenditure should not be used, we won’t cost the price. Everything and everything for victory!
    1. Altona
      Altona 21 March 2020 07: 57 New
      -2
      Quote: Signifer
      And what kind of external debt do we have? Who should we?

      --------------------
      External debt has always been equal to zero, it does not happen, now about $ 480 billion. We owe money to the owners, we give them our money at 3%, and we take from them at 6%. We have the wisest rulers in the world.
      1. Fat
        Fat 21 March 2020 08: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: Altona
        Quote: Signifer
        And what kind of external debt do we have? Who should we?

        --------------------
        External debt has always been equal to zero, it does not happen, now about $ 480 billion. We owe money to the owners, we give them our money at 3%, and we take from them at 6%. We have the wisest rulers in the world.

        Some debts are more beneficial to service than to pay off completely.
        The lender of such borrowers cherishes and cherishes as much as possible, even ready to throw if asked. )))
        This is a truly competent financial policy.
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 21 March 2020 09: 18 New
          +4
          to fat
          Well, how can you explain about money to someone who does not have it, but your own opinion about money in someone else’s pocket and especially about the finances of the state * is the most correct *.
          As there (not verbatim), - * it is a pity that all the great politicians and financiers are already working as taxi drivers and waitresses *.
          1. Altona
            Altona 21 March 2020 09: 31 New
            -2
            Quote: Vasily50
            Well, how can you explain about money to someone who does not have it, but your own opinion about money in someone else’s pocket and especially about the finances of the state * is the most correct *.
            As there (not verbatim), - * it is a pity that all the great politicians and financiers are already working as taxi drivers and waitresses *.

            -----------------------
            Of course, you need to take out all the money from home, like an alcoholic and drink, and then again run to the microfinance organization. This is roughly how Russia behaves, without investing in its own population.
          2. Fat
            Fat 21 March 2020 09: 42 New
            +3
            Quote: Vasily50
            Well, how can you explain about money to someone who does not have it

            Yes, all this is understandable at the household level))))
            Do you have a credit card?
            I don’t have much money, but there is not much credit, I transfer money under the agreement every month. The Bank loves me, 2-3 super offers per month everyone offers to conclude a new agreement with a large limit and all sorts of goodies such as discounts and cashback)))
            No need to be carried on all sorts of lures without urgent need, that's all ...
            This is not any policy, but pure "narrow-minded practicalism" (C)
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 21 March 2020 10: 07 New
              +7
              Quote: Thick
              The Bank loves me, 2-3 super offers per month everyone offers to conclude a new agreement with a large limit and all sorts of goodies such as discounts and cashback)))

              Before the heap, he also provides some credit holidays - once every six months, with the payment being transferred to the end of the term.
              No need to be carried on all sorts of lures without urgent need, that's all ...
              Especially when the lady from the bank calls in an oily voice, but starts to talk about the “super-mega-offer” with pressure, practically forcing her to listen. Send immediately - politely, but firmly.yes
  6. askort154
    askort154 21 March 2020 07: 39 New
    +2
    "Coronavirus" and "oil war" - at the same time. The world has seen many warriors, but such are the first time. Is it progress, or a regression of civilization? Rather, the second. Civilization began to develop in the wrong direction.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 21 March 2020 07: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: askort154
      "Coronavirus" and "oil war" - at the same time. The world has seen many warriors, but such are the first time.

      Yes, the fact of the matter is that wars against the background of epidemics and epidemics against the background of wars are far from the first. Everything in this world happened ... The same "Spaniard" during the First World War. And how many various wars were in Europe against the background of the plague epidemic. In general, humanity, in fact, does not change.
      1. askort154
        askort154 21 March 2020 08: 01 New
        0
        Volodin ....Yes, the point is that this is not the first time. Everything in this world happened ... The same "Spaniard" during the First World War. And how many various wars were in Europe against the background of the plague epidemic. In general, humanity, in fact, does not change.

        Previously, epidemics were due to backward life and culture. Now man creates himself, with his own hands, various viruses, both for peaceful purposes and for the military (starting from the 1st World War). Human morality and morality
        greatly altered. Previously, atomic bombs were not tested on the civilian population, but fought with knives. hi
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 21 March 2020 08: 06 New
          +6
          Quote: askort154
          Human morality and morality
          greatly altered. Previously, atomic bombs were not tested on the civilian population, but fought with knives.

          There would have been "earlier" atomic bombs, I have no doubt that they would have been tested on living people ... And they fought not only with melee weapons, but also, for example, by throwing plague corpses (their fragments) into besieged fortresses. Man to man - friend, comrade and brother - this is only from the works of philosophers-humanists.
          1. askort154
            askort154 21 March 2020 08: 13 New
            0
            Volodin ..There would be "earlier" atomic bombs, I have no doubt that they would have been tested on living people.

            That is why I wrote in the first post. Civilization began to develop in the wrong direction.
            And if it continues to "develop" in the same direction, the planet Earth will not withstand such "swine" in relation to it. hi
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 21 March 2020 10: 12 New
        +7
        Quote: Volodin
        In general, humanity, in fact, does not change.

        In the end, it has what it deserves. And yes, no one promised humanity (except priests and global swindlers) that it would be easy. But this is not taken into account, and with enviable constancy a situation arises from the series "There never was and now, again." laughing
    2. freddyk
      freddyk 21 March 2020 11: 13 New
      -1
      Quote: askort154
      "Coronavirus" and "oil war" - at the same time. The world has seen many warriors, but such are the first time. Is it progress, or a regression of civilization? Rather, the second. Civilization began to develop in the wrong direction.

      IMHO. Civilization began to develop in the wrong direction since the collapse of the socialist system. Destroying the USSR, humanity shot itself in the foot
  7. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 March 2020 07: 43 New
    +3
    "What a pity Bob is that your bay has broken her leg." laughing
  8. Guards turn
    Guards turn 21 March 2020 07: 50 New
    +1
    Hussites should be asked, for example, the next attack by the Hussites on the energy infrastructure will result in a breakdown of contractual obligations and huge fines
  9. Altona
    Altona 21 March 2020 07: 54 New
    -5
    The American edition, knowing the real state of things, casts a shadow on the wattle fence. “Huge” foreign exchange reserves can be easily burned for a couple of months to “maintain the ruble exchange rate” on the exchange, that is, enrich some close people with the subsequent withdrawal of these funds abroad. Russia's external debt is probably modest, by their standards, but still about $ 480 billion. Russia survives only thanks to the efforts of the people themselves, and not to some actions of the authorities, which are usually situational and unpromising.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 21 March 2020 08: 08 New
      12
      Quote: Altona
      . “Huge” foreign exchange reserves can be easily burned for a couple of months to “maintain the ruble exchange rate” on the stock exchange, that is, enrich some close people with the subsequent withdrawal of these funds

      Over the past 2 weeks, gold reserves increased by 10 mln. Green. Up to 580 ... So "scorching reserves, scorching" !!!
      IMHO, a tricky move, is already the third time they are repeating. Non-residents are jammed. They want to get out of Russian bonds ... Well, get out. They are ruble. And they need to withdraw money in currency! And the currency has risen in price ... Take to health ... Turbulence on exchanges and quiet down ...
      1. Altona
        Altona 21 March 2020 08: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Over the past 2 weeks, gold reserves increased by 10 mln. Green. Up to 580 ... So "scorching reserves, scorching" !!!

        --------------------
        Do you have something from this? In addition to the collapse of the ruble. You probably have it if you object with such enthusiasm.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 21 March 2020 08: 31 New
          -1
          Quote: Altona
          Do you have something from this? In addition to the collapse of the ruble. You probably have it if you object with such enthusiasm.

          I have. My foreign exchange contracts sharply went up ... in rubles. It’s quite tangible. And if prices in stores remain approximately the same, then my company and I will win. And we are not selling hydrocarbons at all laughing
          1. Altona
            Altona 21 March 2020 08: 35 New
            -3
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            I have. My foreign exchange contracts sharply went up ... in rubles. It’s quite tangible.

            ---------------------------
            Well, this is where you have to start, you don’t say which social group you belong to. Your comment is selfish and the old women with a pension of 10800 do not care. I write my comments taking into account the interests of the entire population, and not myself. Personally, I know how to hedge.
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 21 March 2020 08: 46 New
              +9
              Quote: Altona
              Well, this is where you have to start, you don’t say which social group you belong to. Your comment is selfish and the old women with a pension of 10800 do not care. I write my comments taking into account the interests of the entire population, and not myself. Personally, I know how to hedge.

              So my company employs 30 people. And they have families and children ... Maybe I do more for the "interests of the whole population" than a wise opponent, "hedged" from the crisis, and worried about old women with a small pension?
              1. Altona
                Altona 21 March 2020 08: 55 New
                +8
                Quote: Mountain Shooter
                So my company employs 30 people. And they have families and children ... Maybe I do more for the "interests of the whole population" than a wise opponent, "hedged" from the crisis, and worried about old women with a small pension?

                ------------------------
                I command 100 people in production, while creating 50 jobs from scratch. These are 4 teams of welders and machine tools. During the work, he personally created 10 new product samples, purchased 7 new pieces of equipment, including 4 CNC machines. Our sales volumes grew 3 times last year, this year already 2 times. Maybe I also do something for the population?
                1. Mountain shooter
                  Mountain shooter 21 March 2020 09: 30 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Altona
                  I command 100 people in production, while creating 50 jobs from scratch. These are 4 teams of welders and machine tools. During the work, he personally created 10 new product samples, purchased 7 new pieces of equipment, including 4 CNC machines. Our sales volumes grew 3 times last year, this year already 2 times. Maybe I also do something for the population?

                  And how could this be known? And you are clearly not the owner of the enterprise. And this is another psychology. And another responsibility for decisions.
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 21 March 2020 09: 38 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Mountain Shooter
                    And how could this be known? And you are clearly not the owner of the enterprise.

                    ---------------------------
                    I mean to find out? I am the chief engineer of the enterprise. And I am the very first in the chain of key decision making. About the risks, my recommendations and about the risks are given, do not worry. If the enterprise collapses, then I will also have to scratch the turnips, so everything is in order with responsibility. With the current unemployment, my boat is even more dangerous, because the owner of the enterprise has a psychology akin to “you will die today, I’m not sick”, he doesn’t need a plant, you need to think about it, look for specialists, it’s easier to buy ready-made on the side.
                    1. Mountain shooter
                      Mountain shooter 21 March 2020 09: 42 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Altona
                      everything is in order with responsibility. With the current unemployment, my boat is even more dangerous, because the owner of the enterprise has a psychology akin to yours "today you die, tomorrow I", he doesn’t need a plant, it’s

                      I’m also a developer. All that my enterprise does. laughing
                      So what about psychology? I have one of the devices that we release on my avatar ...
                      1. Altona
                        Altona 21 March 2020 09: 46 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Mountain Shooter
                        I’m also a developer. All that my enterprise does. laughing
                        So what about psychology? I have one of the devices that we release on my avatar ...

                        ------------------------
                        And I’m a developer of 10 units of production, I wrote, they didn’t surprise me, I get everything negative and positive in full. I wrote above that I myself have developed and are developing products and accessories. About psychology, they answered you, read everything, and not just what you want.
                        PS I am engaged in mounted equipment and walk-behind tractors. Seeders, diggers, planters, mowers and other small-scale mechanization. Now we are trying to increase the quality of products, we release too much, we need to increase the quality and debug product samples.
                      2. Mountain shooter
                        Mountain shooter 21 March 2020 10: 08 New
                        +1
                        Our products, in particular, improve the quality of metal cutting tools ... Hard coatings, carbo-nitriding ...
                      3. Altona
                        Altona 21 March 2020 10: 09 New
                        0
                        Quote: Mountain Shooter
                        Our products, in particular, improve the quality of metal cutting tools ... Hard coatings, carbo-nitriding ...

                        ---------------------------
                        Well and good, my products plow the land. What is the question? With metal cutting coatings, this is already to the manufacturer of inserts and cutting tools. This site is not for free advertising of its own products.
                      4. Mountain shooter
                        Mountain shooter 21 March 2020 10: 10 New
                        0
                        Quote: Altona
                        Well and good, my products plow the land. What is the question?

                        This is not a question, but a proposal laughing
                      5. Altona
                        Altona 21 March 2020 10: 15 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Mountain Shooter
                        This is not a question, but a proposal

                        -------------------
                        I don’t do cutting tools, although they tried to attract me somehow, but not mine, I’m not a technologist by training, but a mechanical engineer. Although I am engaged in technology, I am more attracted to assembly and welding matters than to cutting ones. We have to delve into this.
                    2. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 10: 16 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Altona
                      my products plow the land

                      Lying again.

                      Find how you cried that winter is snowless and nobody needs your scrapers for snow? It’s very lazy to look, but I’ll find laughing
            2. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 10: 21 New
              -1
              Quote: Altona
              I am the chief engineer of the enterprise ...

              ... garage.

              Quote: Altona
              my recommendations and risks are given

              Yeah ... they scooped up snow scoops, but the snow didn’t go ... "risk analyst" laughing

              Quote: Altona
              my recommendations and about risks are given, do not worry

              In the place of your colleagues - I would definitely worry. Fortunately, I am not in their place yes
  10. Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 21 March 2020 09: 25 New
    0
    Gas masks, respirators, masks ??? ...
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 21 March 2020 10: 55 New
      -2
      Gas masks, respirators, masks ??? ...

      Very relevant product at the present time. Although ... you can do this:
  • Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 19: 31 New
    -1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Non-residents are jammed. They want to get out of Russian bonds ... Well, get out. They are ruble. And they need to withdraw money in currency! And the currency has risen in price ... Take to health ... Turbulence on exchanges and quiet down ...

    For an expert analyst at Alton, this is too complicated request
  • Svarog
    Svarog 21 March 2020 08: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: Altona
    “Huge” foreign exchange reserves can be easily burned for a couple of months to “maintain the ruble exchange rate” on the exchange, that is, enrich some close people with the subsequent withdrawal of these funds abroad.

    You’re right, as always .. just yesterday I heard on the radio that Russia sold $ 5 billion to maintain the ruble exchange rate ... and that’s in a day ..
  • China
    China 21 March 2020 08: 07 New
    +1
    Why the hell do we give up? Nearly 149 million live oils are available, with an almost inexhaustible margin of safety ...
  • grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya 21 March 2020 08: 08 New
    0
    Yuri Podolyak retold one to one.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 21 March 2020 08: 08 New
    -4
    Quote: bar
    Katz once again offers to give up. But the problem is that Asians, sensing slack, will trample us into the ground. You cannot negotiate with them, just push.

    I agree. But so far it turns out to crush only their own. The people need to show concern for him. Then the whole world, as a whole, and not so withstand.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 March 2020 08: 12 New
    0
    America prints dollars. Oil is bought for dollars. The higher the price of oil, the greater the demand for dollars in the world. That is, the higher the price of oil, the better for the United States.
  • GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 21 March 2020 08: 16 New
    -1
    I advise you to listen to the latest broadcast of Potapenko and Krutikhin. They are there just discussing the situation with oil.
    1. Altona
      Altona 21 March 2020 08: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: GRIGORIY76
      I advise you to listen to the latest broadcast of Potapenko and Krutikhin. They are there just discussing the situation with oil.

      -----------------
      Local patriots do not need this, they are so sincerely worried about the oil and gas oligarchs, they are ready to arrange a sweepstakes. I remember that even Putin once surprised Sechin said: "I thought Rosneft would work for Russia, but it turns out Russia is forced to work for Rosneft."
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 21 March 2020 08: 17 New
    +3
    Not only the Saudis, but also the States are now well "raking" with their shale oil.
    1. Andobor
      Andobor 21 March 2020 08: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      Not only the Saudis, but also the States are now well "raking" with their shale oil.

      Yes, and it doesn’t matter to us which of them survives - who better offers the conditions, we will agree on that.
      Logically - it is more necessary for the Saudis, the United States as a state will not suffer much - only the shales will be bent.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 21 March 2020 10: 49 New
        +2
        The optimist, however, is Andobor.
    2. mole
      mole 21 March 2020 13: 01 New
      -2
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      Not only the Saudis, but also the States are now well "raking" with their shale oil.

      The "grab" is not the States, but only the shales in the States. But here, as usual, "foreheads at the lackeys will crack." I already distrust the statements of the Government on complete control of the situation at the level of reflexes.
  • voodoo123
    voodoo123 21 March 2020 08: 20 New
    +2
    The right decision of the Kremlin. Then it will be more fun))
  • guerrilla
    guerrilla 21 March 2020 08: 23 New
    -1
    Quote: Guards turn
    Hussites need to ask

    I’m also surprised that the "equipped" cooks are not yet in Yemen ...
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 21 March 2020 08: 43 New
    +2
    every time I am worried when they have enough from behind a hill ...
  • Soviet Union
    Soviet Union 21 March 2020 08: 44 New
    0
    But can our Hussites hit Saudis!
    A couple of missiles in the oil terminals by the way will be.
  • Husit
    Husit 21 March 2020 08: 50 New
    -1
    Hold on to Russia! Husits ​​will help if that ...
    Quote: Soviet Union
    But can our Hussites hit Saudis!
    A couple of missiles in the oil terminals by the way will be.

    They will check the US air defense, and if they get there, the oil industry will begin to rise again ..
  • Crystal of Truth
    Crystal of Truth 21 March 2020 08: 59 New
    +1
    It's like with gas and Ukraine .. Until the last, cheeks were puffed up and then quickly everything that was required was signed and even 3 billion were thrown
  • prokvirus
    prokvirus 21 March 2020 09: 19 New
    +6
    Maybe this is not a war against Russia? And a conspiracy against the US shale?


    ,, Oil prices will be adjusted within six months, by the end of 2020 may return to the level of $ 60 per barrel. This opinion was expressed to journalists by the head of Rosneft Igor Sechin.

    "The market will be corrected, and I think that it will be fast enough. Within six months we will see those changes in a more stable, right direction. By the end of the year, I assume that the price can return to the level of up to $ 60, provided that there will be a shale oil output from the market, "he said.

    “Will investors continue to trust the growth of shale production?” I think not, "said Sechin. ,,
    1. Crystal of Truth
      Crystal of Truth 21 March 2020 09: 22 New
      -5
      What do you think he should say? "Yeah, that’s what I justified, of course."
      So what?
    2. Altona
      Altona 21 March 2020 09: 43 New
      -6
      Quote: prokvirus
      “Will investors continue to trust the growth of shale production?” I think not, "said Sechin. ,,

      ---------------------
      Sechin is never an oilman, he is a former secretary of Putin. Let at least 100500 forecasts give, as did Miller at one time. They slapped the shale revolution, now they need to do a good face with a bad game. Slate can be “turned on” and “turned off”, that is, to stop production. The “shales” are hedged and may well be bought out by Shell and Exxon. With our Samotlor this will not work.
      1. prokvirus
        prokvirus 21 March 2020 09: 55 New
        +9
        ,, Shale can be "turned on" and "turned off", that is, to stop production. ,,

        Downtime costs money everywhere. And considerable.
      2. Torak
        Torak 21 March 2020 12: 57 New
        +2
        Kindergarten. Nobody “slapped” the shale revolution as such. There is even a Soviet film about shale oil (I can even find a name for it) 1952. Shale production is really unprofitable (I am silent about the environment at all) and the fact that it exists is a willful decision of the US government to finance 50% of its production by including print stanka.And it was done exactly for political reasons. And in this regard, I consider all calculations of its profitability to be absurd. The existence of shale mining is the exclusive will of the US government
    3. sofffil
      sofffil 21 March 2020 10: 50 New
      +5
      ,, USA became an involuntary victim (oil war - ed.). Mining companies will suffer very seriously ... They already bear losses, but they cannot get loans. They don’t give money. This will destroy them, "says Amrita Sen of Energy Aspects.,
  • Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 21 March 2020 10: 08 New
    -5
    Again began the zombie howls that "he outplayed everyone, a cunning plan, the Russians do not give up." Another bulls with the whole world. Better go to the exchangers, get down to business. Kirdyk comes to “stable” wooden, as, however, is not the first time in 30 years. Ah, I forgot: "Do you want the 90s?"
    PS In the 90s there was no war with Ukraine and industrial enterprises were extinct, of which there are no foundations left now.
    1. prokvirus
      prokvirus 21 March 2020 10: 13 New
      +5
      ,, In the 90s there was no war with Ukraine ,,

      The war was inside Russia (Chechnya). Now the state has strengthened and the war is already outside the country.
      1. Old Horseradish
        Old Horseradish 21 March 2020 13: 12 New
        -6
        Quote: prokvirus
        Now the state has strengthened and the war is already outside the country.

        So the fact that the Slavs are killing each other - means "the state has become stronger"? Previously, we fought with the Chechens and, according to your logic, were weak. Now we have strengthened and are fighting with the Ukrainians. Oh well.
        1. prokvirus
          prokvirus 21 March 2020 14: 57 New
          +1
          ,, So the fact that the Slavs are killing each other-means "the state has become stronger"? Previously, we fought with the Chechens and, according to your logic, were weak. Now we have strengthened and are fighting with the Ukrainians. Oh well.,,



          Have you heard such a thing as a cold war?
          So it did not end with the collapse of the USSR and will never end. Only the front is carried forward. In the 90s, the front was inside the country in Chechnya. Now the front is outside the country. And the stronger we are, the farther this front will be from our borders.
        2. Fikys
          Fikys 21 March 2020 15: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Old Horseradish
          Now we have strengthened and are fighting with the Ukrainians.

          Who are the "we" fighting the Ukrainians? Do you personally fight?
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 21 March 2020 10: 45 New
      -1
      Whom he and all of them that are tearing the country outplayed is us, the people of Russia. Only now a large part of it does not want to understand yet, everyone hopes for a good king.
    3. Snail N9
      Snail N9 21 March 2020 11: 08 New
      -2
      It was preserved industrial enterprises, from which now there are no foundations.

      What are you straightforward, pessimist. You have to be more optimistic and believe in the next sunspot KhPP, he’s not mistaken! .... we’ll “unite” with the Rottenberg-Sechins in a single labor impulse against the insidious Albion and the USA! Tighten the belts together! So win! And besides, we now have "nano-technologies" in "nano-Skolkovo" along with "nano-chubais"! They will help us with their developments, while reducing (dropping out) the income of the population:
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 11: 15 New
        -2
        Quote: Snail N9
        Snail N9

        Publish a scheme for cutting gastropods, plz. It is clear that clause 8 prevails there, but the details would be, IMHO, not superfluous wink
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 March 2020 10: 32 New
    0
    Cheap oil has become a threat to the United States? Is Trump completely crazy? laughing
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 21 March 2020 10: 42 New
      -3
      No, Donya is in his mind. Unlike "ours".
  • NordUral
    NordUral 21 March 2020 10: 41 New
    -2
    His main resource is the people. Squeeze out with the brothers dry.
    1. Gennady Fomkin
      Gennady Fomkin 21 March 2020 10: 50 New
      +1
      Guard! Fy all Frete! Everything broke off in the house of Smeshalsky laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 March 2020 10: 53 New
    +1
    There is no price war! You are all frets! The market price is determined by supply and demand. it is an axiom. At the moment, just supply is higher than demand. Naturally, the price of oil is falling. Market, baby, market! and whoever does not fit into the market - according to Yegor’s testament, the light of our Timurovich is in the furnace. (I am personally against this statement) laughing
    1. Torak
      Torak 21 March 2020 12: 47 New
      -1
      You have a child’s level. You don’t even understand how everything works. Tales about the market are for plebeians.
      1. Fat
        Fat 21 March 2020 22: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Torak
        You have a child’s level. You don’t even understand how everything works. Tales about the market are for plebeians.

        Yes, yes ... For playboys you need completely different stories ...))))
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 March 2020 11: 04 New
    -7
    As pro-Kremlin skakuasas like to say, if the West scolds Russia, then we are doing everything right. Here the West praises ...
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 11: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      Here the West praises ...

      The West, Gardamir, is about to impose sanctions for "fallen" oil. So you are past again yes
    2. zvukgiper
      zvukgiper 21 March 2020 11: 43 New
      +1
      ,, As pro-Kremlin skakuas like to say, if the West scolds Russia, then we are doing everything right. Here the West praises ... ,,



      ,, US Presidential Administration Donald Trump intends to put pressure on Russia and Saudi Arabia to reduce oil production, March 19, The Wall Street Journal reports. ,,
  • Irokez
    Irokez 21 March 2020 11: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Man
    we are ours, we will build a new WORLD

    Everything new is a well-forgotten old, and the old is an echo of not only the immediate past, but the distant one when everything was really normal.
  • Grizzly bear
    Grizzly bear 21 March 2020 11: 07 New
    +6
    ,, Russia did not enter this path for the sake of entertainment. Its goals were clearly articulated - to destroy American shale oil - and the costs of this step, both economic and political (including the defeat of Trump in the upcoming presidential election in 2020), were calculated in advance. You can play with a Russian bear for a long time without provoking a response. But now we know what his reaction may be: when the Empire strikes back, it hits very hard. ,,

    Scott Ritter
    1. Crystal of Truth
      Crystal of Truth 21 March 2020 11: 24 New
      -5
      Right now, they slap the embargo and the virus will suck a paw in general
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 March 2020 11: 10 New
    0
    the game was equal, played two (censorship), good luck to all of these substances, the main thing is that the rest are not slurred when it all explodes laughing
  • semuil
    semuil 21 March 2020 11: 27 New
    -2
    Is it not so that the sheikhs will switch from maseratti to frets? Yes, they are very unhappy to them.
  • sanik2020
    sanik2020 21 March 2020 11: 35 New
    -2
    The Kremlin regards the position of the Saudi authorities as blackmail, but is confident that Russia has more chances to get out of the crisis without any problems in the economy than Saudi Arabia.

    Correctly regards, but CA has more chances. Their oil costs are lower than in Russia, they have more resources, they are actively luring Russian buyers (which is worth China alone), and most importantly, if the Saudis decide to make concessions, then America will not allow them, they are too dependent on the United States.
    And most importantly, history shows that when the West started such races of attrition (against the USSR and others), they can take temporary losses, if only to put the head of a competitor in a noose and knock out a chair.
    1. zvukgiper
      zvukgiper 21 March 2020 11: 48 New
      0
      ,, And most importantly, history shows that when the West started such races of attrition (against the USSR and others), they can go to temporary losses, if only to stick a competitor’s head in a noose and knock out a chair. ,,


      It would be like you say, if not for shale oil.




      ,, On average, for the 15 major plays in the United States, the cost of producing shale oil is $ 30 / bbl, in Canada - $ 35 / bbl. Taking into account taxes, the breakeven price is estimated at $ 63 / bbl on average in the United States and $ 54 / bbl in Canada. The difference is related to the differences of three main parameters that affect economic indicators: in the USA the average well is twice as deep, the final oil recovery from the well is three times as much, taxes are higher than in Canada. ,,
  • sanik2020
    sanik2020 21 March 2020 11: 58 New
    -1
    Once again, they can also take temporary losses, just to crush Russia.
    1. mole
      mole 21 March 2020 13: 16 New
      -2
      Quote: sanik2020
      Once again, they can also take temporary losses, just to crush Russia.

      You are absolutely right!
      The Americans had the strength to deal with their mortgage crisis, although there were more costs. It is a pity that many do not understand this.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 March 2020 13: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Torak
    You have a child’s level. You don’t even understand how everything works. Tales about the market are for plebeians.

    Well, of course, you all "know" share knowledge laughing And show your "level". laughing
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  • arsenks
    arsenks 21 March 2020 15: 33 New
    -4
    Well done Putin put Russia in cancer, a smart move ... And they say that there will be enough reserves, but the use of reserves to support the economy at the moment is just throwing money away ... And that the USA, they will agree with the SA and impose an embargo on the sale oil by Russia ... So let's vote for the election of Putin for a new term, for the further deterioration of life and the enrichment of the Putin gang ...
  • Sova
    Sova 21 March 2020 15: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Stas157
    The whole world is only pulling out from cheaper oil. The United States as a whole, too.

    And for this they want to impose sanctions on Russia.