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Why intelligence PR?

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Yosi melman


Part two. Part one: "Why is Israeli military censorship necessary?"

Secret in Mossad is much more than obvious. And what is clearly controlled by the organization itself is much more stringent than in many Western countries.

A familiar Israeli special services veteran once told me that all we know about them is either what they want us to know, or if they fail, we only find out what the other side wants us to they knew. Mossad, the agency of intelligence and special tasks, was considered so secret that its functions, unlike the CIA, for example, were not even defined by law. Only 17 years ago, Israeli lawmakers did decide to define the Shin Bet (Security Services) counterintelligence function, or, as they are increasingly called in the Israeli manner, Shabak, but Mossad is still acting in secret. Formally, there is a commission that should monitor the activities of the Mossad. There is also a special intelligence subcommittee in the Knesset. The head of the Mossad is directly subordinate to the head of government and reports to the cabinet.

Yosi Melman, a veteran of Israeli military journalism, the author of several books, many articles and the television series Inside the Mossad, says that in fact the leaders of the Mossad, like other Israeli intelligence agencies (Shabak, military intelligence and others), make recommendations to the government that are almost always accepted without much discussion.

“Mossad is manipulating secrets as they want,” Melman told Simon Sprungin in the weekly podcast of Haaretz. “It’s all secret for them, or they’ll suddenly declassify it for no apparent reason. The main thing is that they completely control all the information.

In recent years, Mossad and his current and former employees have been actively involved in various media projects, books, films, and television shows. Yossi Melman wrote several books about Mossad, made the popular documentary series Inside the Mossad. He is being relayed on Israeli TV, and he has already appeared on Netflix with English subtitles. Why is this? For PR, or did the times of openness come in Mossad?

“Part of it is PR,” Melman says. - If they need it, then the secrets cease to be secrets and they find ways to publish them. Officially, former Mossad employees (not to mention the existing ones) are not allowed to talk to the press or publish anything without the permission of their superiors. For some reason, this rule does not apply to the heads of organizations who give interviews where they want and do not ask anyone. For the rest, this is an effective means of control. Sometimes they are allowed to speak for the sake of public relations of the organization itself. Sometimes, in order to help your loved one advertise your books. But sometimes they prohibit publishing.

The whole absurdity of the Israeli bureaucracy is that here, as in military censorship (which is referred to in the first part), the right hand does not know what the left is doing. I have had cases when censorship officially allowed to publish, and Mossad did not allow it. Or they demanded to throw out the details, without which the entire publication lost its meaning. It is about the affairs of bygone days. And at the same time, they allowed to publish very recent storiesthat happened only recently.


Journalists with connections are faced with such vagaries constantly and not only in Mossad. More recently, the head of the Israeli military intelligence, Major General Tamir Hyman, and the chief of the general staff, General Kokhawi, suddenly sanctioned information about the failure of Israeli special forces in Khan Younes last year. A detachment of special forces was discovered, and the commander, with the rank of lieutenant colonel, died in battle. Only recently, everything was shrouded in a dense curtain of secrecy, and suddenly the popular program “Uvda” (“fact”, Heb.) received the go-ahead for a very detailed investigation. Yosi Melman wrote critical material criticizing such surprises. He reasonably asked why this was done. To appease an influential telecast? His sources in the intelligence community also shrugged and did not see any reasonable explanation.

While intelligence services are increasingly immersed in the show business of modern media, under their nose in Israel there is a massive infiltration of China.

Why intelligence PR?

The new port in Haifa, built by the Chinese


This is a very interesting and even frightening topic - because of the constant confusion in Israeli politics and the bureaucratic booth (this word from Russian came into Hebrew. - M. D.).

The Israeli Ministry of Transport and other government departments have made titanic efforts to attract Chinese investment in Israel. Over the past decade, the Chinese have built a huge economic empire in Israel, and this is not only transport infrastructure, agriculture, energy. Inside all this is intelligence. Chinese agents are actively operating in Israel, an information war is being waged. The Americans have several times expressed concern over the scope of Chinese intelligence activity in Israel.

“I will give just one example of our bureaucratic idiocy,” Melman says. - The head of the Center for Strategic Studies at the University of Haifa, Dr. Shaul Khorev, is sounding the alarm that the Chinese have built and control the underwater docks in which the Israeli fleet is based, including submarines that are capable (according to foreign press reports) of carrying nuclear warheads. To everyone who is ready to listen, Khorev complains - why did we allow the Chinese to build them?

My question to Khorev: “Where have you been?” Just a few years ago, Vice Admiral Khorev commanded the Israeli naval forces and built these submarines. And then he headed the government’s Atomic Energy Commission (an extremely influential body dealing with all nuclear issues in Israel, including the protection of nuclear secrets).

He tells me that we did not know. He did not know (?!). It turns out that the right hand does not know what the left is doing. One ministry encouraged Chinese construction in the Haifa Bay, while the other either did not know, or they did not care. And now Khorev demands to stop construction.

Just stop construction now will not work. Israel gave the Chinese a turnkey concession for 25 years, and for a quarter century they will be able to control all movements of the Israeli military fleet. And there are many such examples.

I must say, no one was against the Chinese project. Counterintelligence Shin Bet sought to restrict foreign investment. For many years they have been lobbying for a law that, naturally, does not name the Chinese. The bill provides for control of all foreign investments related to defense, but everyone understands that we are talking about China and Russia. The bill constantly runs into resistance from Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and his economic ministers, who are interested in indicators of economic growth that influence popularity. However, an informed source in Israel told me that the Chinese also have their own lobby. It is also possible that politicians and senior officials have personal economic interests in these projects. Now in Israel they are trying to create a commission that will control these matters, but it seems too late.

“The Trojan horse is already in town,” summarizes Yossi Melman.
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  1. Operator
    Operator 21 March 2020 15: 10 New
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    Israel, as always, is looking for someone to sell at a higher price - at first it was the United States, now China.

    A woman of easy virtue, however :)
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 March 2020 15: 40 New
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      Yes
      That is why Israeli women work in the brothels of Moscow and Ryazan. fellow
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 21 March 2020 15: 54 New
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        That is why Israeli women work in the brothels of Moscow and Ryazan.

        And what about Voronezh? laughing
        1. Liam
          Liam 21 March 2020 15: 59 New
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          Funnels are smoking
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 21 March 2020 19: 46 New
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          Serious there, girls from Switzerland fellow
        3. kiril1246
          kiril1246 21 March 2020 19: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          And what about Voronezh?

          Unfortunate city, forever he is responsible for the Jews.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 21 March 2020 16: 51 New
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        Urgently !!! Give the address of the brothel in Ryazan, I only need to go from the village for half an hour, faster at night. fellow
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 21 March 2020 17: 03 New
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          Urgently !!! Give the brothel address

          ,, But what about the quarantine measures? belay lol
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 March 2020 17: 17 New
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            One does not interfere with the other, if the end justifies the means. laughing
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 22 March 2020 10: 29 New
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            Quote: bubalik
            ,, But what about the quarantine measures?

            They probably already learned how to release antiviral condoms there - I always thought that our people would find a way out of any situation.
        2. ul_vitalii
          ul_vitalii 21 March 2020 19: 18 New
          +8
          Indeed, otherwise March ends, and we are not in business. winked
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 21 March 2020 19: 47 New
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          It’s easier there - you rent a VIP - Sauna, contact the reception with a request to order Sarah and Tsil for two hours
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 March 2020 19: 51 New
            +4
            So it’s even where Sary and Tsili live, and I am sick of patriotic pain for my native Ryazan. laughing
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 21 March 2020 20: 13 New
              +3
              Where Sary and Tsili live, the situation is as follows - the indigenous people are mainly on the streets for 850 rubles - but there is enough to see so that you don’t want anything))
              There are a few indigenous, a few emigrants from Ethiopia and Russian-speaking different in brothels - aunts are mostly, but possible.
              The best in the tour are mainly Ukraine, 20 percent of the regions of the Russian Federation, 10 percent of the local Russian-speaking and nee. There are from simply simpotny to lyalek model appearance. But this is if you order from Sunday to Wednesday)).
              On Thursday - Friday - they bring Moldovan women - cleaners of about 40 years old, who can earn and diversify their personal lives, because all the normal ones were ordered in advance on weekends - my drinking companions communicate with them differently, but I just drank and sang Moldavian songs with them - Java Gradine Lui Ion laughing
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 21 March 2020 21: 01 New
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                So, morality is all right there ... like everywhere else. In Moscow, in the dashing nineties, on the Moscow Ring Road, mainly Ukrainian women and Moldavians earned extra money. I did not use it myself, but the information is reliable.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 21 March 2020 21: 35 New
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                  Road is a bacteriological warfare)).
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 21 March 2020 21: 37 New
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                    Road is a bacteriological warfare)).


                    Maybe. From the side of Ukraine and Moldova. request
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 21 March 2020 21: 42 New
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                      Clever emigrant girls didn’t exchange such things - they acted to look after their grandfather in a wheelchair. After half a year, grandfather began to walk little by little, and not only for himself. A year later, he left his grandmother. After one and a half matched with the girl by legal marriage. Two died of an overdose of Viagra. Three years later, a girl from the royal shoulder threw half of the grandfather's property to the family of the deceased after long trials, procrastination and scandals - as a result, new 25-27 year old Israeli dollar multi-millionaires appeared laughing Then the grandfathers began to take the Philippines)).
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 22 March 2020 10: 41 New
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        After half a year, grandfather began to walk little by little, and not only for himself. A year later, he left his grandmother.

                        You write garbage, because in Moscow this could only have happened with lonely old people, and even then not always, because such disabled people always have "guardians" from more serious structures, and they will not allow housing to go to some kind of prostitute .
                        The only thing that those who were hired to take care of the old people received was free accommodation in the apartment while he was alive, and this, at the very least, is equivalent to 15 thousand for a room in a communal apartment, payment for leaving, according to various estimates, from 0,5 thousand to 2 thousand per day (as agreed), and reducing the cost of food, because relatives provide funds for food, but require checks. In general, don’t tell here what you don’t have any idea about - our cleaning lady had been doing this for several years until the old man died, and in addition to taking care of him, she worked in three more places. She herself was from Mordovia, had grandchildren, but she was immediately put out as soon as she did not care for anyone.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Then the grandfathers began to take the Philippines)).

                        Neighbors immediately lay, if only they see illegally working, so this option is not a mass phenomenon, and is available only to well-off families.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 March 2020 11: 03 New
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                        1) It is written about Israel
                        2) Serious structures which are engaged only in their direct business
                        3) It was completely legal to hire a nanny - an Israeli citizen
                        4) Philippines are officially hired
                      3. ccsr
                        ccsr 22 March 2020 12: 04 New
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) It is written about Israel

                        I apologize - I thought you were talking about our situation in Krasnodar, but it turned out about the promised land. I did not even expect that such wise Jews were so easily bred by panelists.
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 22 March 2020 15: 07 New
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                        Bred - already in the past
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  • Basil50
    Basil50 21 March 2020 15: 54 New
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    to the operator
    Jews are not shy about prostitution. According to the Talmud, the only thing a woman can get money for is prostitution.
    The Mossad openly promotes what is called a legal language - terrorism and murder. It turns out that the policy of the state of Israel is terror and murder?
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 21 March 2020 16: 32 New
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      Quote: Vasily50
      It turns out that the policy of the state of Israel is terror and murder?

      You can call it what you want.
      But the one who wants to kill you must die earlier.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 March 2020 18: 47 New
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        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        But the one who wants to kill you must die earlier.

        To this, as always, there is one old question: "The one who shoots worse will die first." This does not threaten Israel, they always shoot first.
    2. TANKISTONE
      TANKISTONE 21 March 2020 19: 54 New
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      Palestinians would have to pass Chinese passports ...
  • NF68
    NF68 21 March 2020 17: 37 New
    +5
    Quote: Operator
    Israel, as always, is looking for someone to sell at a higher price - at first it was the United States, now China.

    A woman of easy virtue, however :)


    Israel is still very far from Poland. Israel is able to control something by itself, or at least influence someone.
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 21 March 2020 15: 13 New
    +5
    “The Trojan horse is already in town,” summarizes Yossi Melman.

    he was allowed into the city so that he could make friends with the horse.

    PS Yosi Melman and his butterfly work in the ultra-left newspaper "HaAretz" which you don’t feed with bread and give shit on the fan.
    journalists, especially extremists liberals they are ...
    the word did not pick up.
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  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 21 March 2020 15: 20 New
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    We'll wait and see, although the question is really interesting.
  • Mouse
    Mouse 21 March 2020 15: 24 New
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    the word "PR" itself implies that give money ......
    the figs is then promoted?
  • Same lech
    Same lech 21 March 2020 15: 32 New
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    A familiar veteran of the Israeli special services once told me that all we know about them is either that they want us to know, or if they failed,

    I also have the geniuses of intelligence and terror ... Mossad's ears stick out where there are Israeli interests ... these are Iran, Palestine, the USA, France and many other states.
    Iran’s physicists and scientists were shot at one time ... clear of a stump except Israel, nobody needed it ... it is clear that only the Mossad can do this.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 21 March 2020 15: 43 New
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      Yeah, and suddenly at the same time, the anti-Iranian regime of Hussein fed the United States. well, nobody but Israel could crank up the anti-Iranian operation winked
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 21 March 2020 19: 53 New
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        Quote: Cowbra
        Yeah, and suddenly at the same time, the anti-Iranian regime of Hussein fed the United States. well, nobody but Israel could crank up the anti-Iranian operation winked

        Spent anti-Iraqi with the Persians
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 21 March 2020 20: 00 New
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          Spent anti-Iraqi with the Persians

          Who? laughing
          - Where is that bastard ...
          -Where is this bastard?
          - Yes, there it is in the grass!

          "Features of the national hunt" Snack at least sometimes
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 21 March 2020 20: 18 New
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            lol
            During the Iran-Iraq war - the bombing of a nuclear reactor. The Persians tried to do this on their own - Iraqi air defense shot a lot, Iranian pilots bombed a lot. The result is a reactor in place, but one Persian is not knocked down. Then the ayatollahs agreed with Israel - they lifted all their aircraft along the entire front line, and the Jews smashed the reactor. The Americans were offended because Iraq was their protégé, and Israel refused the supply of F-18
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 21 March 2020 16: 39 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      At one time, physicists and scientists of Iran were shot.

      At all times, those who were considered to be removed were removed, in the 20th century an ice ax, at 21 they shoot and poison, and all intelligence agencies do this.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 March 2020 18: 53 New
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        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        At all times, those who were considered to be removed were removed, in the 20th century an ice ax, at 21 they shoot and poison, and all intelligence agencies do this.

        For centuries, everyone has been doing this, the methods are the same, only the murder weapons have changed.
      2. Cowbra
        Cowbra 21 March 2020 20: 05 New
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        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        in the 20th century, an ice ax, in 21 they shoot and poison and all intelligence services do it.

        How many attempts are there on Fidel?
        Attempts on Fidel Castro were committed from the moment he came to power in Cuba in 1959 and until 2000. One of Castro’s guards, Juan Reinaldo Sánchez (Spanish: Juan Reinaldo Sánchez), in his book “The Secret Life of Fidel Castro”, claims that 100 to 200 assassination attempts were made against the leader of the Cuban revolution [1]. According to the press, there could be at least 600 assassination attempts. None of the assassinations did Castro any physical or moral harm.

        Because the paws for another thread are sharpened:

        Hucksters are bad
        The work was dedicated to the CIA's involvement in the US crack cocaine trade, in collaboration with the Contras movement in Nicaragua. In a three-part series, Webb is investigating the activities of a movement that, with the support of the CIA, is smuggling cocaine into the United States.

        He died on December 10, 2004 under mysterious circumstances from two bullet wounds to the head. An official investigation recognized this suicide.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 21 March 2020 15: 39 New
    +2
    I still do not understand - what does not suit Milman? External Intelligence Opacity for the press? lol
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 21 March 2020 17: 05 New
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      Quote: Krasnodar
      I still do not understand - what does not suit Milman?

      I will try to explain.
      There are people who believe that they oppress democracy.
      The government decided to use Shabak technology to combat coronavirus.
      We started tracking phones where there were infected people who got sick and who was nearby.
      During the day, 400 people were identified who may have been at risk of infection. In the evening, notifications were sent to them that they should immediately begin to comply with quarantine, they were informed that their personal information was used to conduct an epidemiological investigation.
      But there were people like Milman, perhaps one of them, who staged a demonstration with black flags and filed a complaint with the High Court for violating human rights and democracy.
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 23 March 2020 06: 53 New
      +1
      It is not clear what, but I really want something ... either married, or sunflower.
  • cniza
    cniza 21 March 2020 15: 40 New
    +3
    The Trojan horse is already in the city, summarizes Yossi Melman.


    Did Mossad oversleep ...
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 21 March 2020 15: 41 New
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    I had a grandfather, peace be upon him, well, tyk, he worked in an interesting institution, og wink His phrase is so 80s. "The fact is that Mossad propaganda is needed first of all for us and for the CIA. So far, everyone believes that the best intelligence in the world is with Israel and they suck up the details of raids on all sorts of Entebbe, sometimes being distracted by Jamesbond, we Americans are sitting in the shade and working quietly Everyone around it thinks that this is intelligence in Israel, and in our country, for example, cabbage soup slurps with bast shoes, moreover, worn out "This, by the way. on their slang is called "throwing stones in the bushes" - a distraction wink
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 21 March 2020 16: 18 New
      +6
      Quote: Cowbra
      I had a grandfather, peace be upon him, well, tyk here, he worked in an interesting institution, his phrase of the 80s.

      Your grandfather told you everything correctly - that was exactly how it was, and in reality no one ever took their intelligence seriously, because their base was too weak to compete with us and the Americans. The only thing that went well with them was the purchase or blackmail of Jewish secret bearers in other countries, and receiving from them the information they needed:
      In the spring of 1978, a scandal erupted in Washington. US Senate Foreign Relations Commissioner Stephen Brian has been convicted of transmitting classified information to Israel. He, along with Senator Abraham Ribikov’s assistant, Maurice Emigai and Senator Henry Jackson’s assistant, Richard Perle, was part of the “leading core of Zionist lobbyists” on Capitol Hill. The FBI has produced a report of more than 600 pages detailing the espionage activities of Stephen Brian.

      Israeli Intelligence vs. USA: Retrospective., MyLove.Ru
      © https://mylove.ru/miha5766/diary/razvedka-izrailya-protiv-ssha-retrospektiva/
      Well, and in what they succeeded, it was fishing for information from Soviet Jews arriving for permanent residence in Israel, from which everything was exhausted to the fullest, if only they saw that the client deserved attention. And all this we knew in the seventies and eighties of the last century, so the Israeli intelligence PR never bothered us - no matter what the child was amusing. But some people, far from knowing about their real successes, willingly believed in their PR and are still spreading this tale.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 21 March 2020 20: 33 New
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        Quote: ccsr
        ©

        Quote: Cowbra
        I had a grandfather, peace be upon him, well, tyk, he worked in an interesting institution, og wink His phrase is so 80s. "The fact is that Mossad propaganda is needed first of all for us and the CIA. So far, everyone believes that the best intelligence in the world is with Israel:

        Of the known successes of Mossad, they were the first to get the text of Khrushchev's report at the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU, drove a whole MiG 60 from Iraq in the 21s, recruiting a pilot - the latest aircraft at that time. I don’t know what kind of grandfather thought, but the following is considered to be Mossad’s Russian counterparts and CIA augers: during the Cold War, the KGB (mantle) were the best in collecting information, and Mossad (dagger) in stocks.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 22 March 2020 10: 26 New
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          Of the known successes of Mossad, the first to get the text of Khrushchev's report at the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU,

          Did they tell you this, or is there evidence of who gave it to them? Here's how it happened according to some reports, and even then it's not a fact that this is true:
          The report of Khrushchev at the congress was secret only formally. The "mystery" crumbled before our eyes. The text appeared in the USA. This happened with the assistance of the Polish journalist Viktor Graevsky. The CIA promised one and a half million dollars to transmit the text of Khrushchev’s report. Graevsky frankly "fate smiled." His girlfriend Lucia Baranovskaya worked as a referent in the Central Committee of the Polish Communist Party, Victor went to her to arrange a meeting, saw a red brochure with the heading "Top Secret" on the table. This was a personal copy of the report of the Polish Secretary General Edward Ohab. Lucia, who had no idea what the book was, gave it to a curious friend for a couple of hours. Gravesky recalls: “I took it, went home, started reading. You can imagine what happened to me. Stalin is the father of nations, a great teacher, the sun and suddenly just a robber whom history did not know. And when I finished reading, I felt that I had an atomic bomb in my hands. I wanted to run back and give. But suddenly he began to think. I knew that everyone was looking, everyone wanted to know what Khrushchev said. I could go to the Americans and get $ 1,5 million, but I decided to go to the Israeli embassy. ".
          It is reported by Rambler. Next: https://news.rambler.ru/other/40291044/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
          And where is the "success" of the Mossad, if the proponent brought the documents to the embassy?
          In general, the Soviet documents with the heading "secret." On the table of some Polish woman who is distributing them for a couple of hours looks like a complete profanity - that is how they did not work with secrets in the USSR.
          But you can continue to compose beautiful tales ....
          Quote: Krasnodar
          but the following is considered to be Mossad’s Russian colleagues and CIA augers: during the Cold War, the KGB (mantle) were the best in collecting information, and Mossad (dagger) in stocks.

          No one thought it was babble, especially since long before the appearance of the Mossad, our Naum Eitigon could give a hundred points ahead of any future Mossad operation.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 22 March 2020 11: 11 New
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            What is the merit of Mossad - that the report was evaluated, reprinted and returned overnight
            Tales are not tales - the report got to the West precisely through Israel
            And where did you read that NO ONE READ THAT? )))
            Mossad has had and has a lot of exclusive operations - you can argue until you turn blue, this fact will not cancel hi If you personally are offended to compare a superpower and a tiny country in BV - your problems.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 22 March 2020 12: 07 New
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              Quote: Krasnodar
              If you personally are offended to compare a superpower and a tiny country in BV - your problems.

              I am not so much offended as your attempts to imagine Israel as a superpower in intelligence and special operations are ridiculous.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 22 March 2020 14: 57 New
                +1
                For reconnaissance and special operations, it is not necessary to be a superpower laughing
                As for special operations - were there really bad ones? )))
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 23 March 2020 17: 40 New
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  As for special operations - were there really bad ones?

                  What do you know about the actions of Soviet troops who acted in Africa, the Middle East, or those who pointed Koreans to the Pueblo, and then removed all the equipment from it for study? The Israelis did not even dream of this, and it’s enough for us to recall how they gave the tear from Georgia on 08.08.08 — we know these “operations”.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 23 March 2020 17: 49 New
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                    1) About the actions of Israeli specialists, we and 5% do not know)).
                    2) An attack on a reconnaissance ship armed with two machine guns is not heroism)) Although the Israelis also sinned in the 67th, they demolished the equipment from the American Liberty operating in Jordan, moreover, the planes and immobilized the vessel with torpedo boats
                    3) Which of the Israelis from Georgia gave a tear? laughing Which of them generally took part in the database - instructors? lol
                    Once again - for carrying out special operations it is not necessary to be a superpower, moreover - a state in general - I will tell you a little secret
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 23 March 2020 18: 25 New
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                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      About the actions of Israeli specialists, we and 5% do not know)).

                      Maybe they weren’t, but was there a regular PR?
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 23 March 2020 18: 36 New
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                        laughing
                        The Israelis keep everything secret to the maximum, except what cannot be hidden - like Ettenbe, etc. They do not like to advertise methods of their work, especially reconnaissance and sabotage. Maximum access to the general public is given to hostage release operations, the rest is revealed (very dosed, for many reasons), in 25-40 years. They prefer to delve into failures - both for the sake of benefit and in connection with the fact that many politicians headed this or that special unit during their service. A warring country is a different rule.
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr 23 March 2020 19: 03 New
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The Israelis keep everything secret to the maximum, except what cannot be hidden - like Ettenbe, etc.

                        You rush about this Ettenbe, as with a written shell, although by and large it is an ordinary operation on a low-cultural theater, and even with losses from the Israelis. Here is to hide the entry of our troops into Czechoslovakia near the border with NATO, or the capture of the palace in Afghanistan - only we knew how to cope with this task.
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 23 March 2020 19: 34 New
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                        1) The Israelis do not rush anything - it is in the world surprised to conduct an operation at such a distance from their own borders without the presence of bases in the region.
                        2) When the hostages were released, the losses were minor - up to 10% of victims among specialists and captured lay people are considered success
                        3) laughing You describe Dubcek’s displacement as the entry of troops into a NATO country or Austria with Switzerland, rather than the invasion of an allied country. Airborne forces and specialists at the capture of the Prague airport - yes, they worked perfectly.
                        4) With your assessment of the operation to storm the palace of Amin, which was guarded including Soviet Muslim battalion, I do not agree. It was easier to plant a rocket in his window than to lose a bunch of people with such an assault - and in general, the story is rather muddy. They tried to poison - he calls the Soviet embassy, ​​asking for help from a doctor .. that without a clue about the upcoming operation (they could immediately focus on the need for a transfer to a Tashkent, say, hospital) ... in short, this is a separate issue
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr 23 March 2020 19: 43 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        it is in the world that they were surprised to conduct operations at such a distance from their own borders without the presence of bases in the region.

                        In that region, even the flight of aircraft was nothing to fix.

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        - up to 10% of victims are considered success

                        This is nonsense - there are no such standards anywhere, if only because any operation is unique and no one can predict losses in advance in order to later decide how much should die.

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        With your assessment of the operation to storm the palace of Amin, which was guarded including Soviet Muslim battalion, I do not agree.

                        I also do not agree with your statement - no Soviet Muslim battalion guarded the palace, but, on the contrary, stormed it. Be careful with our history - we know it.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        not an invasion of the country of allies.

                        The most important thing here is that Western intelligence overslept the load and the flight of heavy transporters itself, you just don’t understand these subtleties, so pay attention to minor details.
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 23 March 2020 20: 14 New
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                        1) Who specifically had nothing to fix the flight with - the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Ugandans? )) And how did their aircraft fly, incl. military ... laughing
                        2) I went through the basic, however, training for the release of the hostages (I had the right to release in the uncontrolled killing of the hostages - my qualifications, if that tells you something), and so - I consider the successful operation described
                        3) The Soviet Muslim battalion was supposed to guard Taraki, which Amin eliminated. It was located near the palace. Then - yes, he took part in the assault. He suffered losses from the fire of his own airborne forces. Amin was sure that the soldiers arrived to protect him ... in short, I know the story of the assault on Amin’s palace — a planned and not very perfect operation against a man who considered the USSR a friend.
                        4) laughing ... but wouldn’t oversleep the arrival of heavy transporters to the WARSAW CONTRACT COUNTRY - so that would change? They would have said - Dubcek, and you ... ask your defense minister - is it planned that your allies will arrive, otherwise it’s suspicious))))) They’ll try to remove you .. probably
                      6. ccsr
                        ccsr 24 March 2020 19: 58 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Who specifically had nothing to fix the flight with - the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Ugandans?

                        There was no continuous air defense field there, and these countries themselves were very mediocre in terms of control over their airspace.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        and so - the described operation is considered to be a successful operation by me

                        You personally can count anything, but this has never happened for our army, and for yours too - I think so.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The Soviet Muslim battalion was supposed to guard Taraki,

                        This battalion is from the Special Forces brigade, and they are not involved in security affairs - they have other tasks, so there is no need to fantasize.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        but wouldn’t oversleep the arrival of heavy transporters to the WARSAW CONTRACT COUNTRY - so that would change?

                        The whole cimes here is that they could also secretly fly to the capital of another European country if they set such a task. You just didn’t understand that such a rehearsal showed what we are capable of.
                      7. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 24 March 2020 22: 29 New
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                        1) Hercules flew at an altitude of 30 meters - a continuous field (who did it have at that time? - 1976, except Moscow, of course) at that level of technological development would not help
                        2) Have you taken the anti-terror course? )) Once again - during the release of the hostages, an operation is considered successful, in which the losses of the peacekeeper and special forces (army, police, special services such as Alpha, which took such a course in Israel in the late 90s) do not exceed 10%.
                        3) I do not fantasize - infa in the public domain. Amin knew about their presence, believed that they were on his side
                        4) They secretly flew into the country of the Warsaw Treaty laughing changing power in the capital ALLY. Not even neutral. They showed that they could in theory capture Brussels - NATO headquarters? )))
                      8. ccsr
                        ccsr 25 March 2020 17: 06 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        solid field (who did it have at that time by the way? - 1976. In addition to Moscow, of course)

                        Not only Moscow, but the entire territory of the USSR was then controlled by air defense systems. And the territory of the GDR was also completely controlled by means of air defense - you are simply not in the subject.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Did you take an anti-terror course? )) Once again - during the release of the hostages, an operation is considered successful, in which the losses of the peacekeeper and special forces (army, police, special services such as Alpha, which took such a course in Israel in the late 90s) do not exceed 10%.

                        It’s a lie, because no one can even determine in advance what percentage will die, therefore they only calculate the probability of success of the operation, and on the basis of this they already accept one or another version of the operation. But this in no way means that there are some acceptable percentages of success or failure in terms of loss of people, because no one can predict in advance how terrorists and hostages will behave. More than 10% of the hostages died in Dubrovka, but nevertheless the operation is considered successful, because there, in general, everyone could die. They came up with a percentage for amateurs to justify themselves if the results of the operation are bad, and then evade responsibility, citing mythical world percentages.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        They showed that they could in theory capture Brussels - NATO headquarters?

                        Actually, in theory, such objects are hit nuclear - we don’t need to tell tales to us. The landing will be needed when a civil war breaks out and the first thing you need is the introduction of troops to identify whom we will support - study the march to Pristina.
                      9. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 25 March 2020 18: 22 New
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                        1) And how would this field help with planes flying on 30 meters?))
                        2) What a lie ?? Dubrovka was an excellently performed operation, most of the victims were caused by the gouging of doctors who did not know how to transport people properly, what drugs to inject after exposure to gas, etc.
                        The success of the operation is determined by the SURVIVORS. Entebbe - 106 hostages - 4 dead, one 200th commando and one disabled person for life - this is success. School in Ma'alot is a failure. Acceptable losses during the release of hostages up to 30%. Which are mythical? There are statistics of special operations.
                        3) laughing Prague - An-24 asked to land at ALLIES airport due to technical "problems". They sat down, took control of the airport, put the rest. Pristina is politics again. The military did everything beautifully - I do not argue. But how applicable is this in a database against a real adversary?
                      10. ccsr
                        ccsr 25 March 2020 18: 33 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        And how would this field help with planes flying on 30 meters?))

                        On the radar everyone would have seen. Yes, and they didn’t fly all the time at 30 meters fairy tales vparivayut you, and I'm sure of it. Although in some places they could descend to such heights, the operating airborne radars are intercepted by the air defense air forces, so they would be discovered.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Dubrovka was a magnificent operation, most of the victims were caused by the gouging of doctors,

                        You’re already contradicting yourself, claiming that it’s a brilliant operation, but losses above 10% - how do you understand this?
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        There are statistics of special operations.

                        There is a different level of training of special forces in different countries, which is why no "world" practice exists for evaluating success.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        But how applicable is this in a database against a real adversary?

                        In real situations, we will fight only with nuclear weapons, and no one will need all these anti-terrorist units.
                      11. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 25 March 2020 18: 57 New
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                        1) Tales - I don’t know, the Israelis declassified the details somewhere in the mid-0s. In a country that has a "continuous field" no one would have let a plane with hostages land))
                        2) What is not clear, where is the contradiction? The military pulled people alive, because of the sloppiness of doctors, people died.
                        3) What anti-terror course did you take? Where did such statements and knowledge come from? Nigerian, say, special forces, when releasing the hostages pulled alive 60 out of a hundred - the level of losses is unacceptable
                        Colombian, for example, pulled 80 out of 100 - a good operation, but you can’t name it a big success either
                        Australian specialists pulled out 92 out of 100 - such an operation is considered successful)).
                        Is that clearer? On hypothetical examples?
                        4) Here. Now the question is - where did our argument begin? From the fact that:
                        a) Israeli specialists performed good operations
                        b) Stalin did not create Israel laughing
                        Objections?
                      12. ccsr
                        ccsr 25 March 2020 19: 04 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        2) What is not clear, where is the contradiction? The military pulled people alive, because of the sloppiness of doctors, people died.

                        In operations of this level, everyone is prepared in advance, including doctors. And they are judged by the result of the entire operation, and not by those who worked poorly - you can’t return people anymore, and they don’t care about who they died.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Is that clearer? On hypothetical examples?

                        There are no identical situations, no matter what kind of dancing you and Nigerians or Colombians perform, which means there can be no single criterion.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        b) Stalin did not create Israel
                        Objections?

                        There are objections. Stalin created Israel. And if he did not want to do this, it is still unknown whether Israel appeared at all, although as you know, attempts have already been made since the end of the 19th century, but somehow it has not been set, and we know this story.
                      13. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 25 March 2020 21: 37 New
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                        1) Not quite so - I served in the MAGAV - such as internal troops. Engaged in (in urgency) just internal security
                        2) There are criteria that are very clear and precise.
                        3) Attempts from the 19th century to the 40s resulted in the complete creation of the infrastructure of the future state laughing Stalin helped, in defiance of the British, the creation of Israel. Towns and cities were built without his help, as were universities, power plants, roads, infrastructure, etc.
                      14. ccsr
                        ccsr 26 March 2020 12: 49 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        There are criteria that are very clear and precise.

                        In Israel, it may be, but with us I have never heard of such a thing.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Stalin helped, in defiance of the British, the creation of Israel.

                        Judging by how you relate to him, it is a pity that he did not take the side of the British - we would then see what came of it ...
                      15. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 26 March 2020 13: 23 New
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                        1) Alpha also has this. In general, the army unit also prepared for the release of the hostages?
                        2) I relate to Stalin very evenly.
                        He would take the side of the British - here the consequences would not only be for Israel, which would be created in any case, with the help of the Americans laughing
                      16. ccsr
                        ccsr 26 March 2020 13: 51 New
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Alpha has one too.

                        Did you manage to serve there?
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I relate to Stalin very evenly.

                        And it is necessary ardently and with trepidation - he is still the founder of your state.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        which would have been created anyway, with the help of the Americans

                        Maybe it would have been created, only when and on what grounds, no one will dare to say. And then the weapons could not be delivered to the Israelis, but to the Palestinians, for example - how is this the situation?
                      17. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 26 March 2020 14: 41 New
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                        1) No, I didn’t have time to serve in Alpha, but they took the course of hostage release in Israel, I know the instructors laughing
                        2) Stalin is not the founder of the state of Israel - five votes to the UN and permission to a bargain on the sale of weapons by Czechoslovakia make him one of the accomplices, but not the creator))
                        3) Would create in 1948, Czech weapons were also worn by the National Socialist Party of Syria hi In the same 1948 wink Also with the permission of Stalin
                      18. ccsr
                        ccsr 26 March 2020 14: 46 New
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Also with the permission of Stalin

                        It was only with the permission of Stalin - he then taxied in world politics, which is why, thanks to his will, the British could not prevent the emergence of Israel. You are simply afraid to admit the obvious, because this will break your stereotypes.
                      19. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 26 March 2020 15: 23 New
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                        lol
                        Along with Truman, at least)) The British abstained, by the way, without any connection with Stalin, who had previously exchanged Poland for Greece with them
  • Amateur
    Amateur 21 March 2020 15: 47 New
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    Isn't that Savik Schuster?
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 21 March 2020 16: 53 New
      +4
      One in two! laughing
  • andrewkor
    andrewkor 21 March 2020 15: 48 New
    +1
    Anyone aware of the failures of the legendary Mossad? Tell us!
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 21 March 2020 16: 00 New
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      Quote: andrewkor
      Anyone aware of the failures of the legendary Mossad? Tell us!

      There were failures more than once. If anyone is interested, I will write on occasion, about this article for VO.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 21 March 2020 16: 03 New
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        Quote: A. Privalov
        There were failures more than once. If anyone is interested, I will write on occasion, about this article for VO.

        Be sure to write! To find out that in the sun of Judea, too, there were (are) spots.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 21 March 2020 16: 11 New
          +4
          "the sun of Judea" is what?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 21 March 2020 16: 19 New
            -4
            Quote: A. Privalov
            "the sun of Judea" is what?

            Mossad (המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים) lol
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 21 March 2020 16: 27 New
              +4
              Quote: Insurgent
              Mossad (המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים)


              Mossad is not the sun, but an instrument.

              “... We are surrounded by enemies who are far superior in numbers. Therefore, we are forced to push our intelligence as far as possible. She serves us like a long arm, helping to compensate for the lack of time and space. ” (I. Harel,
              the first director of the Mossad)
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 21 March 2020 16: 28 New
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                Quote: A. Privalov
                Mossad is not the sun, but an instrument

                Do not feed, and it will fall off.

                PS: I'm not talking about the sun laughing
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 21 March 2020 16: 56 New
        +6
        Seriously, write, of course. The topic of intelligence and counterintelligence is always interesting and informative, at least in historical terms. hi
      3. Iris
        Iris 21 March 2020 22: 59 New
        +4
        Write - interesting, of course.
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 21 March 2020 16: 08 New
      0
      Anyone aware of the failures of the legendary Mossad? Tell us!

      Damn ... well, you give ... google and the Internet will give you a portion of pleasure.
    3. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 21 March 2020 16: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: andrewkor
      Anyone aware of the failures of the legendary Mossad? Tell us!

      Like any intelligence, there were failures.
      One of the most notorious failures of recent years was the operation to eliminate the chairman of the Hamas political bureau Khaled Mashal. In 1997, he headed the Hamas office in Jordan.
      Unnoticed on the street, poison was sprayed in the ear .. But they were detained and then exchanged for an antidote.
      The killing of one of the Hamas leaders in Dubai, the Mabhuh, who was found dead at a hotel in Dubai, was explained by natural causes, and only with the filing of Hamas, the UAE police began an investigation into the murder.
      What started as a heart attack turned out to be a murder, which led to an investigation that turned into a passport scandal. But all this was much later and no one was detained.
      In February 1998, Swiss police detained five Mossad agents while attempting to install listening equipment at an Iranian mission.
      Perhaps this is what was in the media.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 21 March 2020 15: 49 New
    +9
    Secrecy and media games of cover, misinformation - the norm of intelligence.
    If the author looked for the shortcomings of the Israeli secret services, he did so unconvincingly.
    The methods and scope of work of the Jewish special services are worthy of study and application. Particularly impressive is the uncompromising attitude towards enemies in the "free" treatment of international law.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 March 2020 16: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      Particularly impressive is the uncompromising attitude towards enemies in the "free" treatment of international law.


      This, they learned from senior partners in the workshop.


      Lockerbie Case. There may have been a miscarriage of justice(abbreviated in full: LJ Colonel Cassad)

      Relatives and well-wishers of Abdelbaset al-Megrahi obtained the right to a posthumous appeal of his 2001 conviction for murder, as the Scottish Criminal Review Commission (SCCRC) decided.
      Megrahi was found guilty of putting a bomb in a suitcase that destroyed a Boeing 1988 (PA747) plane in 103, killing 259 passengers and crew, as well as 11 Lockerbie residents in Scotland.

      The explosion occurred just six months after an unprovoked massacre - a USS Vincennes warship shot down an Iranian passenger Airbus (IR655). Killed 290 passengers and crew. At that time, most commentators and the media suggested that the crime at Lockerbie was revenge.

      From the very beginning, however, it was clear that the special services of the United States and Great Britain knew something in advance and were even involved. A warning was issued about possible attacks on Pan Am flights. Flight PA103 - just before Christmas - was half empty because many had canceled booked tickets. At the crash site in Scotland, there were many reports of the secret activities of the FBI, debris was seized with armed guards, and rummaged in the luggage.

      In 1990, British citizen Martin Cadman, whose son Bill died in an explosion, attended a briefing at the US Embassy for relatives of the victims of the explosion. An unnamed member of the US Presidential Commission on Aviation Security and Terrorism told him, even without Martin asking: “Your government and ours know exactly what happened and will never tell.”

      However, the process revealed gaping holes in the indictment. Not only was there no evidence that Megrahi, a former Libyan intelligence officer, had ever loaded a similar suitcase at Luga Airport in Malta, there was no evidence that the ownerless bag had flown from Malta via Frankfurt to Heathrow, where he had been loaded onto PA103 , and no explanation - how vigilant security services of Luga airport were deceived.
      However, Megrahi was convicted and sentenced to 20 years in prison, then the term was increased to 27 years.

      Another of the many holes was the release of another defendant - Llaman Fhima. Gaddafi also offered compensation to the victims, but did not recognize the responsibility of Libya.

      Megrahi's first appeal was rejected in 2002, but the more time passed, the clearer it became that he was the victim of a politically fabricated case and a shemyakin court.

      In 2007, SCCRC agreed to consider another appeal, and said that there was “no reasonable basis” to believe that Megrahi was in Malta, where he was identified as buying the same clothes that were in the bomb suitcase. One way or another, in 2009 Megrahi, who was imprisoned in Greenlock, was diagnosed with deadly cancer. The Scottish authorities allowed him to return to Libya, on condition that the appeal be withdrawn. Megrahi died in 2012, insisting on his innocence.



      In addition, Robert Black, a lawyer and one of the main court organizers at Camp Zeist, is participating in the JFM. Another participant is former police superintendent Ian McKee, whose daughter Shirley was the victim of a fiasco that discredited the entire fingerprint methodology of the Scottish Criminal Archives. She was accused of perjury, but then acquitted and paid compensation.

      The SCCRC statement to the media lists the reasons for accepting the new appeal. Regarding the identification of Megrahi as a buyer of clothes caught in a suitcase with a bomb by the Maltese shopkeeper Tony Gauci, SCCRC concluded that “there may have been a miscarriage of justice, because no adequate court, relying on such evidence, could admit that the charge against Mr. Megrahi has been irrefutably proven. ”

      The SCCRC statement stated that the prosecution did not “report the police statement and report,” confirming that Gauci had a photograph of Megrahi before identifying him. This "deprived Mr. Migrahi of the real opportunity to be acquitted." The commission also found that "the reward money paid by Gauchi according to a scheme organized by the US State Department" means that "Mr. Megrahi was denied a fair trial."

      Gauchi was trained by the Scottish police and bribed the US government - he received in general, as stated in the report, $ 2 million.

      SCCRC refused to plead:

      The date Megrahi was allegedly at the Gauchi shop in Malta

      * There is evidence about the day when Christmas lights were lit in Sliema in Malta, which contradict the allegation that Megrahi made these purchases. However, SCCRC "decided that this new evidence would hardly have helped Mr. Megrahi." SCCRC has consistently emphasized that the defense “decided not to pursue this topic in a 2002 appeal.”

      Metallurgical Characteristics of PT / 35 PCB Debris (b)

      * This fragment was allegedly part of a timer manufactured by MEBO AG (Switzerland). The fragment appeared late in the case, while the reports on his find were clearly changed. The significance of PT / 35 (b) in the matter is that it implies the complicity of the Libyan government, which purchased 20 of these timers.

      However, evidence was known from the very beginning that the fragment of the MST-13 circuit board could not be part of the batch of timers sold to Libya, since the fast ice was different from the samples presented by MEBO. When the defense became aware of this, she again, for unclear reasons, refused to use the evidence.

      SCCRC decided, however, that “the defense’s decision not to investigate the evidence did not mean that Mr. Megrahi’s defense did not participate in the trial.”

      Reception of a suitcase at Heathrow

      * This is the biggest evidence against the whole case, and was explained in the 2013 book “What can be explained by stupidity?” JFM member Dr. Morag Kerr.
      Kerr examined in detail and methodically the recorded passage of all pieces of luggage through the Luga, Frankfurt and Heathrow airports, and their condition and position when they were found in the hills near Lockerbie. Her conclusion: A suitcase with a bomb (Samsonite Silhouette 400) got into luggage in London before PA 103A arrived from Frankfurt with luggage from Malta.

      Kerr clearly shows that despite the extensive and complex investigation, it was not possible to find out where this suitcase came from, and its owner remained unknown. Several airline employees drew attention to this suitcase before and during its transfer to PA 103. It appeared on the day of an extremely unusual break-in at the Heathrow baggage storage warehouse next to which the AVE4041 was loaded.

      SCCRC agreed that “admitting this evidence will completely undermine the indictment,” but argues that this assumption does not include information highlighted by Operation Sandwood, a four-year police investigation into JFM's allegations of police blame for the Lockerbie bombing.
      This statement is groundless. Operation Sandwood concluded in 2018 that it had not found anything criminal in the actions of the police. The report was not published and the reasons for this conclusion were not reported.

      Translation from English
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 21 March 2020 17: 10 New
        +3
        I’m embarrassed to ask, what side is Mossad here?
        1. Operator
          Operator 21 March 2020 18: 10 New
          0
          Mossad in 1986 broke into a warehouse at the airport and planted a bomb in a suitcase, no?
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 21 March 2020 18: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: Operator
            Mossad in 1986 broke into a warehouse at the airport and planted a bomb in a suitcase, no?

            And ate.
            1. Operator
              Operator 21 March 2020 18: 36 New
              -4
              I had in mind something else: CIA and SIS blowing up the Anglo-Saxon liner was deadly (if the performers failed, they would have been crushed to powder), so they hired Mossad, who didn’t care (especially since there was only one Israeli citizen on board) - just to harm Gaddafi.
          2. Insurgent
            Insurgent 22 March 2020 07: 45 New
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            Quote: Operator
            Mossad in 1986 broke into a warehouse at the airport and planted a bomb in a suitcase, no?

            Not ! no

            Comments читать necessary...
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 22 March 2020 07: 44 New
          0
          Quote: A. Privalov
          I’m embarrassed to ask, what side is Mossad here?


          A read? Besides writing?

          That they ( for the most dull - Mossad) studied with senior partners in the workshop.
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 21 March 2020 19: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      "free" treatment of international law.

      And international law is very similar to one of the oldest professions in the world.
      First makes a decision, and then cancels it. For this we must do what is necessary for the security of our country.
  • knn54
    knn54 21 March 2020 15: 54 New
    +4
    The ex-commander of the Israeli Navy, Vice Admiral Eliezer Meroma, had an ethnic Chinese man who converted to Judaism. Colleagues "affectionately" called him "Chinese."
    Perhaps the Chinese intelligence officers had the task of returning the Israeli admiral to the fold of Confucianism ...
    1. Operator
      Operator 21 March 2020 18: 11 New
      0
      Cryptoconfucian is cool laughing
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 21 March 2020 16: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: andrewkor
    Anyone aware of the failures of the legendary Mossad? Tell us!

    1972 OI Germany ... some kind of, "Anger ... ''
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 21 March 2020 17: 14 New
      +4
      Not some, but the "Wrath of God."
      In 1972, this operation had just begun, and lasted about twenty years.
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 21 March 2020 18: 46 New
        0
        Exactly ,, Wrath of God. '' Sorry age ...
        But in 72, they worked sooooo weak ....
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 21 March 2020 19: 26 New
          +4
          Quote: Skalendarka
          in 72 they worked sooooo weak ....


          The attack at the Olympics in Munich took place on September 5, and on October 16, the first of the organizers of the attack, Abdel Vail Zuyter, an employee of the Libyan Embassy and part-time PLO representative in Rome, received two bullets in the head right on the doorstep of his house. A month and a half later, on December 8, Mahmoud al-Hamshari, a member of the Black September organization, was torn off by a charge of explosives embedded in his home telephone. That is all for 1972. You're right. Weakly.
          For that, by June 1973, 13 people out of 17 taken by Mossad in pencil, as befits real martyrs, were already having fun in paradise with 72 virgins ...
          1. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 21 March 2020 22: 25 New
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            All right write, but there are two questions:
            1. How did they oversleep the hostage-taking?
            2. How did they release the hostages?
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 21 March 2020 23: 39 New
              +4
              1. Mossad is not bodyguards. Security in the Olympic village is provided by the host. In 1972, the world did not yet understand the threat that terrorism poses. There were no means of countering him in Germany. Two Munich policemen walked around the Olympic village.
              2. The hostages tried to release the police, but after its illiterate actions, the operation failed. The hostages died.
              1. Iris
                Iris 22 March 2020 13: 10 New
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                The operation slept through Shabak. Why was there no intelligence about the plans for such an attack?
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 22 March 2020 13: 16 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Iris
                  The operation slept through Shabak. Why was there no intelligence about the plans for such an attack?

                  Until the early 70s, Shabak was engaged in internal security - something like the FBI. Following the killing of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics in 1972 by the Black September organization, Shabak set up offices around the world to protect Israeli facilities and citizens, which could become a target for terrorists.

                  By the time of the hostage taking was the second week of the Olympics. The Olympic Committee of West Germany maintained an open and friendly atmosphere in the Olympic village to help erase memories of the wartime German militaristic appearance. The security regime of the Olympic village was deliberately weakened and athletes often entered the village without presenting passes. Many athletes walked around the checkpoints, climbing over a mesh wire fence set around the village.

                  A few months before the Olympics, the organizers asked the West German forensic psychologist Dr. Georg Sieber to develop 26 terrorist attack scenarios to help the organizers develop security measures. Among the 26 forecast options, including terrorist attacks by various groups, ranging from the Basque ETA to the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), was “Situation No. 21”, which was almost completely realized on September 5, 1972 (after the terrorist attack, the police refused his services ) Situation 21 accurately reflected the attack by armed Palestinians on the Israeli delegation’s apartments, the killing and hostage-taking, the demand for Israel to release the prisoners and the demand for an airplane to leave Germany. The organizers opposed preparations for avoiding “situation No. 21” and other scenarios, since the protection of games would prevent the implementation of the image of “carefree games” without powerful protection.

                  In 2012, German magazine Der Spiegel published information that the German authorities had received a warning from a Palestinian informant in Beirut about the Palestinians' intention to conduct an “incident” at the Olympic Games. In connection with this warning, the Minister of Foreign Affairs considered it necessary to seriously approach the organization of security at the games and insisted that "all possible security measures" be taken. According to Der Spiegel, authorities refused to take this warning into account and never mentioned it. The magazine also adds that this was part of a 40-year-old silence on the unprofessionalism of the authorities and the police during the attack.
                  1. Iris
                    Iris 22 March 2020 13: 56 New
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                    Thank you for the detailed answer and the facts unknown to me earlier.
                    PS In case you find time for an article about Mossad’s miscalculations, I want to ask to shed light on two not quite illuminated points: why in the case of Elyahu Cohen the Psychoanalysis Department did not limit the agent’s activities in time - knowing that he was prone to adventurism. And about Pollard: how it was calculated, and at what level the decision was made to pass it to Langley.
                    1. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 22 March 2020 15: 45 New
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                      Quote: Iris
                      why in the case of Elyahu Cohen the Department of Psychoanalysis did not limit the agent’s activities in time - knowing that he was prone to adventurism. And about Pollard: how it was calculated, and at what level the decision was made to pass it to Langley.

                      I doubt that in the beginning of the 60s, in general, someone was engaged in the psychology of agents. But if I decide on an article about him, then I will ask the experts a question. I know little about Pollard at all. The fact is that he was not an "agent of the Mossad." Pollard was an employee of Lacam (Bureau of Scientific Relations) - the Israeli intelligence service under the Ministry of Defense, engaged in military-technical intelligence. Who and how passed it I do not know. Excuse me.
                      1. Iris
                        Iris 20 May 2020 02: 53 New
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                        Thank you for the detailed answer)
            2. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 22 March 2020 00: 11 New
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              Here I agree with Privalov - we recall Budennovsk - no one could ever have imagined that terrorists would take over the city with thousands of hostages.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 22 March 2020 11: 06 New
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            Quote: A. Privalov
            For that, by June 1973, 13 people out of 17 taken by Mossad in pencil, as befits real martyrs, were already having fun in paradise with 72 virgins ...

            I am sure that all the information on tracking these terrorists was leaked to them by the Americans and NATO special services, because the attack itself occurred in Germany. That is why the Israelis were left with only dirty work - with their hands to destroy those who staged a terrorist attack on the territory of a NATO member so that they themselves do not shine. Well, the Israelis, as they say, “Every bast in a row”, so that in this operation they simply publicize themselves.
          3. Iris
            Iris 22 March 2020 13: 24 New
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            If I remember correctly, only Carlos the Jackal survived, as a convict to three life in France? Prokhanov also asked him to have mercy .. You can only wish him - in this case - to stay there forever, with a massage room, a swimming pool and a TV: going out of the prison doors for him is a certain death.
  • Operator
    Operator 22 March 2020 10: 08 New
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    Quote: Maki Avellevich
    he was allowed into the city so that he could make friends with a horse

    Damn, also bestiality laughing
  • g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 23 March 2020 07: 36 New
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    The public side of the work of special services is hocus-pocus, distraction. The red cloth which waving in front of freedom of speech and democracy. This is an ordinary practice in order not to dispel the tale about the various freedoms with which the bare truth about the preservation and security of the State and real power is covered.
    What does the Mossad have to do with is not entirely clear. Firewalls, redirects, fake hosting and routing information from society are used everywhere in the work of special services. Figuratively, there is no need to teach specialists in plumbing and speech culture and democratic etiquette, they have to work in such conditions and with such substances ... I think everyone understood.