In Sevastopol, the formation of two groups of ships abandoned by Ukraine is completed

In Sevastopol, the collection of ships and vessels belonging to the Ukrainian Navy and abandoned in the Crimea after the reunification of the peninsula with Russia has been completed. According to local bloggers, only two groups of Ukrainian ships were formed.

Two groups of Ukrainian ships and vessels remaining in Crimea after the events of 2014 were formed in the Streletskaya and Engineering bays. The collection and towing of ships was carried out by forces and means of the Black Sea fleet Russia for the last time. There were no official explanations from the Ministry of Defense on this matter, however several assumptions have already been made: from the transfer of this "scrap metal" to the Navy, to the "scrap".

However, the assumption is most likely that all assembled Ukrainian vessels and ships will simply be relocated to the point of the Crimean Naval Base - Donuzlav (the former main base of the Southern Naval Forces of the Ukrainian Navy), where they will stand up for further sediment.

Of course, these maneuvers did not pass by Ukraine, which immediately “took care” of the fate of the “ships and vessels of the Navy” seized by Russian interventionists. They did not begin to speculate about the fate of the ships in Kiev, but immediately suggested that the relocation was carried out with the aim of introducing some ships into the Russian Navy.

In particular, such an assumption was put forward in relation to the BDK project 775 "Konstantin Olshansky." As some commentators have stated, the Russian fleet urgently needs landing ships for the Syrian Express, as its own are already breathing, and almost everyone needs to be repaired.

As the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stated earlier, Russia is not going to introduce ships and vessels abandoned by Ukrainian sailors in the Crimea for several reasons, one of which is the state of watercraft. Most of the remaining Ukrainian ships and vessels cannot be restored.

Comments

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

It is time to return this scrap metal to the Ukrainian Navy. As the Ukrainian media wrote about two diesel engines of the BDK project 775 "Konstantin Olshansky", one did not work even before the loss of Crimea, and the second damaged the crew during the seizure of the ship.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

You need to return this scrap metal to the Navy, it’s high time.

Let them first return the money to depositors're coming out of the Privat Bank! Stolen from the Crimeans and Sevastopol residents by the owner of the bank, Kolomoisky! Brazenly stole and does not buzz ...

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

The maintenance of Ukrainian ships also costs money. Better to return. We have already played enough with the Ukrainian border ships. The border patrol ship of the State Border Service of Ukraine BG-52 "Grigory Gnatenko" of project 12412 and the ship of project 205P - Kerch "Bukovina" were drowned during the exercises. In April 2017, during the exercises of the Black Sea Fleet missile boats, the Grigory Gnatenko Pskr was destroyed. Pska "Bukovina" became the second in line. During the exercises in October 2017, two Su-30SM Black Sea Fleet fighters from the Saki airfield inflicted two airstrikes on it. After which he sank. It happened under Cape Opuk.
Photo by "Grigory Gnatenko"

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

The maintenance of Ukrainian ships also costs money.

It’s worth a lot. Send for scrap, you won’t stink ... So in Donuzlav and let them rot.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

In Donuzlav, the depths are not great, in case of the onset of flooding, you can manage to be pulled to the shore.

[Gogia]

In 2010, I was in the Crimea, in Donuzlav, everything that stood, could no longer walk independently. Military camps were like from the movie about Chernobyl. Nobody tumbleweed and houses without glass. Continuous post-apocalyptic.

[RoTTor]

In the early 2000s, there was a project to make it, after the conversion and hydraulic engineering. works, deep-sea trading port.
As everything is more or less sane, in Ukraine such a project could not be implemented.

It’s good that Sevastopol wasn’t dirtied with a coal terminal for Akhmetov, as they were going to

[30143]

Type Russia Ukraine’s assets in the Crimea is not pressed! And the Crimea itself?
You already lost all standards of decency, guys.
And you can minus. Who is bigger?
I observe this transformation in your mind with amazement. What does propaganda do? Brains are disconnected, emotions prevail.
I already wrote that in 2017 the conflict would still be due to the extension of the lease term for the Black Sea Fleet of Crimean bases. But the thief stealthily stole (squeezed out) the territory and is now picking his nose. And you, Lord, applaud him, praise. But do not forget that soon he will come to your house to everyone and squeeze your income. And all with a smile for the good of the people of the Russian Federation.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: 30143

But the thief stealthily stole (squeezed out) the territory and is now picking his nose. And you, Lord, applaud him, praise. But do not forget that soon he will come to your house to everyone and squeeze your income. And all with a smile for the good of the people of the Russian Federation.

What goes around comes around! Ukrainians with their trains of friendship screwed up, but ours are not. In general, it is at least silly to discuss frankly anti-Russian units of the ukroflot in a positive manner at the Russian forum. By the way, the Crimea was a part of the RSFSR, and the Ukrainian party nomenclature defeated it under Khrushchev.

[30143]

But there was size by territories

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

And let's talk in more detail about the exchange of territories. And who changed what in the Crimea and in what year?

[bayard]

Well then, Aristarchus, have you forgotten?
Lenin presented Ukraine with Donbass, Novorossia and Slobozhanshchina, and in response Ukraine surrendered Crimea under Khrushchev ... Everything is fair.
Crimea never considered itself Ukraine, neither in Soviet times, nor even more so in post-Soviet times. For such a statement: "Crimea is Ukraine", in the Crimea it was possible to get into a tambourine ... More precisely, it is almost certainly possible to get it.
It is time for the swineherdlers to pay their debts - Donbass, Slobozhanshchina, Novorossia, Kiev - the mother of Russian cities ... Transcarpathian Russia, if asked by itself ... And on the remaining stub they can shepherd with good conscience and repaid debts.

[boriz]

They also have Poland and Lviv chop off back. Together with gas storages, wells and gas pipelines. They will arrange there Polonization lovers there.

[bayard]

Quote: boriz

They also have Lviv Poland chopping back

In this case, Poland will have to return Germany their (their present western) lands. If you're ready, I don't mind. If not, then we recall that Lviv is a Russian city, the late capital of Chervona (Red) Rus and the RUSSIANS lived in it, who always identified themselves with Russia and the Russians, it was the center of Russian national resistance to Austrian rule ... Until the Austrian genocide in PMV ... then the "Ukrainians" appeared ... noteworthy ... from those who themselves signed up with a false name or served the punishers. Then Bandera came from such.
So Lviv - our land, Russian. By law and by name. And the enemies of the people of Little, New and Chervona Rus should be judged (according to our old tradition) by the Court of the Military Tribunal and hang on the city squares of the state they sold (the highest measure of social protection). But their family members and sympathizers to deport from Russian Land with deprivation of citizenship to the West they desire - let the toilets wash the Poles and strengthen Svidomo Canada.
Russian Land and Russian People should be united in one - the Russian State.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: bayard

Well then, Aristarchus, have you forgotten?

Usually svidomye write about Taganrog. He was part of the Ukrainian SSR for exactly 4 years, from 1920 to 1924. I do not know how he could be exchanged in advance for the Crimea transferred 30 years later. In addition, Crimea was transferred in violation of all the laws of the USSR and the RSFSR.

[bayard]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Usually svidomye write about Taganrog

Let us leave these wretched, it is more useful for us to recall more often the Warsaw province (formerly the Principality of Poland), Finland, the Kars and Erzurum region ... But I don’t even dare to remind about Alaska, this sacred is OUR. Like the Aleutian Islands, California.
We must often remember our property and the wise words of Comrade Bismarck that "Russians always return for their property (money, land, people)."

[kpd]

Rather, Russia did not "squeeze" Crimea, but redirected it to its side. After the coup d'état in Kiev, Crimea was definitely not on the path with the new "government".

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: 30143

Type Russia, Ukraine’s assets in Crimea are not squeezed

What are these assets? How did these "assets" end up in Ukraine?

[Svetlana]

You, Ukraine, have fallen victim to the latest alteration of the world that the United States launched with the bombing of Yugoslavia. Or do you think that the United States can draw a political map of the world but Russia, and indeed no one else, can? It was the Americans who released the genie of their bottle.

Ps: And under the propaganda press are both Russians and Ukrainians. There is no escape from this. However, Americans and Pakistanis also listen to the radio in their own language, which means they are in the zone of their politicians and propagandists.

[RoTTor]

Ukrvina victim:
1. American-Canadian Ukrainians. Diasporas = unfinished fascist accomplices, who, since the Khrushchev era, have massively introduced the leadership of their agents.
2. The anti-Russian policy of the United States, which made its satellite a landfill, vivarium.
3. own stupidity, greed and aggressive megalomania

[30143]

And where was the Russian Federation looking? In a glass? As long as they were engaged in the debunking of the Soviet legacy, the neighboring countries did not care. And when they ate, it turned out that there were other "friends". And who stood up to defend the Union? Is there anyone here at VO who has not broken the oath? Who was ready to defend the Motherland to the last drop of blood? Hey, gentlemen - och officers? So, chewing gum ... Like, top management ...
Now you can beat your head, and in 25 years 2 generations have appeared that hate Russia. And you won’t do anything about it. Why? And the moment was missed. Again, like crooks, out of silence. Underpants. Even afraid to admit that the military personnel participated in the war in the Donbass. Well what to say. Non-Russians, however. Shredded. There is no such thing as pan-Slavism. Only claims remained.

[bukhach]

And who brought up these generations? Who pushed chants and other rubbish to the masses even far to Crimea? About 10 years ago, an article by one scientist lady came across where she analyzed textbooks on the history of Ukraine, all the honor is in honor: quotes, excerpts, authors, years of release -and conclusion, only in Crimea textbooks on Russia were, so to speak, neutral-objective, in other regions they were light. So Ukraine purposefully and methodically brought up its citizens in hatred of Russia. And not only young but also "old", I remember how on one of the forums, an adequate Ukrainian said that even his mother exclaimed "What are these bastards doing!" - this is during the gas wars - so that Ukrainian propaganda was already working successfully then. Personally, I deeply do not care about your generations and Ukraine as a whole , we have a lot of those who are worried, believe in some better times, but I agree with you on one thing - in the near future, not that we will not be friends, we will not be good neighbors. And this is at best. Those who think otherwise are blessed believes.

[30143]

Then - this is a systemic problem of the USSR, which allowed such miracles. And where did the KGB look? And all because they were engaged in internal showdowns. I, personally, identify this story as my own, personal (albeit a tautology, but correct). And I do not refuse. And there is a bulk of people who want and believe in a fairy tale ...

[bukhach]

I am sympathetic to your personal perception of what happened, but you can’t stop the progressive movement of history, I can also mourn the USSR and even remember telling myself that the USSR took the oath in the army and, therefore, all the republics of the union. then what happened happened and my fiery internationalism under the influence of reality (without any officialdom) and from conversations of refugees, from dry reports of information agencies, from communication with people who were my friends and became representatives of their republics, melted to to the ice on vesne.Nichego to be done with human nature, the Communists tried and suffered fiasko.Pomnyu that at first amazed, then privyk.Tak that take everything for granted and we hope that will not be worse.

[30143]

I have long accepted this. I’m constantly thinking about how we should develop and where to move. Naturally, the views tolerate change.
But, all of my comments here are an attempt to show that there are several points of view on the same event. And they are not deprived of their right to exist. They try to convince me that everyone should stand in pillars along the road.
And yet, some are very fond of sticking labels, making strange charges.
Thank you for your understanding!

[boriz]

https://www.kp.ru/daily/26571.7/3586720/ Вот здесь есть таблица, кто сколько производил и потреблял в СССР.
Probably here in this table and looked at the Russian Federation. Tired for 72 years to contain parasites who also considered us loafers and drunkards. Life has put everything in its place.
And already in Ukraine during this time there is so much money and energy that can not be imagined. And still, until the last day of the existence of the USSR, blood sucked. And after the collapse of the USSR, the pro-Ukrainian mafia that remained in the Russian Federation (now for money, of course) and provided prices for energy below the baseboard and pushed pro-Ukrainian decisions in the defense industry.
You just got in 70 years to feed you. Therefore, the Russian people looked at the collapse of the USSR quite calmly. And now the blackmail by geography continues, attempts to snatch freebies. You are parasites and freeloaders. All pros ..... And nobody will restore you more. Why would you pull it off again? So you will be a rural outback. Ukraine.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: RoTTor

Ukrvina victim:

3. own stupidity, greed and aggressive megalomania

Only this is called not a victim, but a crime: murder by negligence under the influence of pathological greed (drug intoxication).

[Artunis]

Yes, call it what you want - squeezed out, stolen, taken away! The fact is that Crimea is now OUR and you can’t see it like your ears without a mirror! Cry, choke, but eat your cactus!

[Alex_59]

Quote: 30143

Type Russia Ukraine’s assets in the Crimea is not pressed! And the Crimea itself?

But I will not minus, but I will answer constructively. If you are so fond of the letter of the law and offer to play back all types of "spin", then I suggest going a little further than 2014, until 1991. If we strictly adhere to legal norms, then the dismemberment of the USSR is a completely illegal act, the force of which is negligible. Moreover, there was a referendum in which the Soviet people spoke in favor of preserving a single Union (with the exception of 5 republics, which boycotted the referendum).
So it’s not a question, let's win back, we will return Crimea to Ukraine, Ukraine will dissolve itself and will be part of the newly formed USSR, subordinate to Moscow.

[Maikcg]

No, no, absolutely nothing is absolutely necessary, so it rolls back to 91. No money, let them live on their own. And even before the UPR, you can so roll back.

[Moon]

Quote: Alex_59

Ukraine dissolves itself and is part of the newly formed USSR, subordinate to Moscow.

In the Russian Federation it is criminally punishable.

[30143]

Dear Alex! There is no turning back! Remember the movie was like that. I already wrote that everyone excelled here ... the specific princes. And the people were held hostage. Now the forum is full of propaganda fuss. I already wrote, who defended the homeland? To the last drop of blood. When the GKChP began, the fathers-commanders packed their things, got on airplanes and ... went to the Russian Federation, leaving everyone and everything to their own devices. Mudachye. And you are here, at least kill each other. So how should we, the remaining, relate to such degenerates? Ohfitser? AND?

[Alex_59]

Quote: 30143

Dear Alex! There is no turning back!

Well, with the Crimea, too, there is no turning back. Forget about the Crimea, this is Russia.

[Fantazer911]

In vain are you so 30143, would it be better if NATO was in the Crimea? and then really would have unleashed a third world war, a lot of US and NATO invested in Ukraine? Or the IMF? Yes, the latter is being pulled from Ukraine, people are impoverished, prices are rising, gas is diluted with water, the flame is not blue but yellow and smokes, I don’t think that many would like it to be that way, after the unleashed war against its people, Turchynov didn’t get enough of it? , and all the young were sent to kill their own relatives, is this normal?
So you really are not right to be a slave to the USA, NATO, the IMF, it is in the style of those who think rightly like you, I would not wish this to people other than their family!
I’m not negative, it’s enough for you!

[30143]

This is another question. They did not want to live with their brains. Serf psychology has filled all brains.
Watch the Antisombi show on ictv. the Americans did a good job. Filigree. And you will understand why there will be no peace.

[Gogia]

Quote: 30143

Type Russia Ukraine’s assets in the Crimea is not pressed! And the Crimea itself?

You, like, ask a question, how did Crimea turn out to be in Ukraine. Maybe Yeltsin was sent a list from Washington, what to hand over for a couple of lyam greens? Or how did Gorbachev merge the GDR? Didn't even take care of Germany’s commitment to a non-block? Or about NATO’s eastward movement? Few Ukrainians milked Russia?
All Ukrainians who live in Russia cannot tolerate HOUSES.

[30143]

We didn’t eat porridge! Do not poke. Or didn’t they impose decency?

[Disant]

We didn’t eat porridge! Do not poke. Or didn’t they impose decency?

they poke you right - higher in the text you distorted words.

And who defended the Union? Is there a VO here who has not violated the oath?

and what, someone attacked the Union openly, with weapons? It was necessary to deploy guns and built in marching columns in an unknown direction?

[30143]

What did Yazov do? And where did you end up?

[Disant]

and so it turns out in your opinion, Yazov is to blame for the collapse of the Union?
Didn’t raise troops and reverse everything, thirty years ago?

[30143]

Where did I distort?
You know, I get the impression that three crowns on two heads have led to tears in the brain. There is no third head, and there is no shaft! When there was a star, everything was OK. Like in China. And the fact that your rudeness is elevated to the norm of behavior, then ... I have the honor. Please do not contact me again. Better pretend that you did not notice.

[Disant]

Where did I distort?

where where - yes higher in the text, you understand everything.
if someone is rude to you, then contact him
Well, if you have the honor, then do not tell others what to do. and don’t write here so that they don’t pay attention to you.

[30143]

The fact that my answer stuck to another statement is a software problem. I already noticed that you send comments to one, but receives another. This is beyond my means.

[Storekeeper]

At the time of the "squeezing" of Crimea there were more Ukrainian military than Russian, what prevented them from defending their land, throwing the "squeezers" into the sea? Why did the local population not join the fight against the "green men"? Crimea was not returned secretly, but openly, and everyone knew and understood everything!
No need to wave your fists after the fight!

[Servisinzhener]

By the way, let me remind you how the Ukrainian marine called live on a talk show in which the then Minister of Defense participated.

[RoTTor]

Cover up "warriors" for grain and fertile places will hold on more tightly than a louse for a koshuh.
Almost 90% of Ukrainian "siloviks" have successfully changed their Ukrainian oath, just to stay in Crimea.
Only the "stoned" zapadentsy picked up in the naval infantry brigade were capable of something.

[30143]

It was a compensation for the coup, so that the Russian Federation gave them the opportunity to sit on the throne. And now I have a question, where is the principle of GDP? The repurchased was taken, but Yanyk was not returned ... What are we arguing about?
However, there was a devastation in the heads. People have lost the vector. Now the Russian Federation is the enemy! This is a complete scribe ... And you say .... Everything is very difficult.

[Gennady Zavalov_2]

Khrushchev gave you Crimea at a time when you thoughtlessly blurted out a “criminal, bloody Soviet past” - therefore, the decision to give was criminal and bloody. What propaganda does is turn your brains off. Your morons paid money for the base, and Crimea was yours, but you wanted to lick where cultural people try not to scratch people. Neither base, nor Crimea, nor money. But America is with you, congratulations.

[g1v2]

Do you still have phantom pains? Sorry . Truth. And indeed, why do we not cry at night, worrying that the hostile state has lost a strategically important peninsula, but we have gained? I do not even know.
My personal opinion is that there should not be Ukraine at all, and Russian lands should return to the Russian state. Ukraine is a hostile separatist entity. And it will always be used by our competitors against us. This is a problem that needs to be addressed. How - let the GDP think. Its' his job. Military, diplomatic, economic - . I consider any actions against hostile countries justified and ready to support.

[gurzuf]

I would look at such a "squeezer" as if we, the people of Crimea, had not made a decision about "squeezing". So, what is your destiny, silently picking your nose and ... other intimate places.

[Aleksandr123]

Thieves and squeezed in Ukraine need to look. Three lard - never returned, threw gas, violated the contract, etc., etc. Because of them, they had to build a bridge, a bypass railway, solve the problems of providing Crimea with electric energy, now it is something to solve with water. To help the Donbass somehow - from Ukraine there are only shelling and problems.

[30143]

It’s their own fault. Contacted a former thief, allegedly pro-Russian. And he was a pissing thimble. The boys from Berkut framed in full. That's who the Humans are. We were doing our duty when the leadership was already crap ...

[Sergey S.]

Quote: 30143

I observe this transformation in your mind with amazement. What does propaganda do? Brains are disconnected, emotions prevail.

Oddly enough, you are right in many ways. Russian propaganda is doing its job.
If years pass and the people do not oppose propaganda, then the propagandists are right and express the will of the majority.
Remember the words of Churchill (something like this):
- You can cheat a small number of people for a long time, you can cheat a large number of people for a short time, but you cannot endlessly cheat a people.

Quote: 30143

I already wrote that in 2017 the conflict would still be due to the extension of the lease term for the Black Sea Fleet of Crimean bases. But the thief stealthily stole (squeezed out) the territory and is now picking his nose.

The conflict was brewing, that's right.
It got to the point that Sevastopol openly massively opposed the entry of American ships. for they felt where the Ukrainian leadership was heading.
If more prudent leaders were sitting in Kiev, they would have agreed with Russia on the main thing - fraternal friendship, and then, the 2014 scenario would hardly have been realized.
As I understand it, you call the Russian government the term "thief". It's stupid on our forum. No reaction to nonsense ...

Quote: 30143

And you, Lord, applaud him, praise. But do not forget that soon he will come to your house to everyone and squeeze your income. And all with a smile for the good of the people of the Russian Federation.

And here you are framed.
It’s very difficult to distinguish a Ukrainian from a Russian: weight, height, skull shape, hair color and everything else, even the language ...
That is what we basically consider the majority of Ukrainians to be Russians (except Catholics and Uniates).
But recent years have given occasion to think about the presence of differences.
Russians are a nation-forming nation. With continuous statehood for more than 1000 years. There are not many such peoples in the world at all - Chinese, Iranians, Indians, French, Spaniards, British, Greeks (with short breaks) ... This requires a lot of costs from the people, sometimes prohibitively large. And, worst of all, if these costs were in Tugriks or Eureka ... they are in the lives of our ancestors.
No matter how hard it was, in Russia there have always been areas that preserve the independence and culture of the people. And this is not about Kiev, but about Novgorod (excluding the brief period of the German occupation), Belozero, Uglich, Kholmogory, Perm, Tobolsk, Okhotsk, Leningrad ... cities that did not know the boot of the foreign conqueror.
When Ukraine gained independence from us, I thought it was excellent, now in the UN we will have more influence. Brothers Slavs ..... And what happened?
I come to Sevastopol in 2006. I recognize the city, people are native, ships are also native, as in the late 1980s ...
But something is not right ... Ukrainian ships ... not that kind ... there is no Black Sea gloss. Sometimes there wasn’t even paint ...
And, most importantly, even then it was clear that Ukraine would not have a fleet.
The fleet is expensive, troublesome, dangerous, difficult ...
The fleet is needed for the defense of an independent large country, for upholding national interests on a global scale.
And for those who want to eat sweet, sleep soundly ... the fleet is a burden.
CONCLUSION.
Where you see income push-ups, Russian people observe the strengthening of the country, prospects for children, and the reliability of our foundations.
It is not easy for us to live.
Taking into account what has been written, life is harder for us than for many of our neighbors and "partners". But Russia and our children and grandchildren have a future.
We lived for this and did not crumble.

PS
And welfare in our future.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

in essence, bravo!

[30143]

I agree with many, but with the state-forming - no. Reborn. And the neighbors felt it. And they began to look for stronger ones. That is the whole answer.
But I don’t believe in the well-being of the people! Especially in the Russian Federation. The oligarchs with officials from the people will tear off the last shirt ... and go offshore.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: 30143

I agree with many, but with the state-forming - no. Reborn. And the neighbors felt it. And they began to look for stronger ones. That is the whole answer.
But I don’t believe in the well-being of the people! Especially in the Russian Federation. The oligarchs with officials from the people will tear off the last shirt ... and go offshore.

I myself would be disappointed ...
But here is the Russian story! How many cases have already happened when the leaders betrayed their homeland ... Without persons - troubled times, peasant, Cossack, civil wars ...
And then comes comprehension, and Russia is alive!
And now, contrary to the oligarchs and foreign fans (traitors), there are people who cement the country.
In the topic of Sevastopol, in my opinion, everything should be clear.
And if it’s not clear, I suggest going to Sevastopol, settling in privately, taking a closer look, talking with people, walking around holy concrete massifs ... Thoughts about the Motherland will immediately stand on an honorable first place.
Well, if it doesn’t work out, trouble ...

[30143]

Been with. I agree.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

FIRST indisputable argument why the Crimea had reason to leave Nezalezhnaya - this is the Kosovo precedent

After the incident with Kosovo, there is no point in talking "Crimea left Ukraine legitimately or not".

The Kosovar Albanians seceded from Serbia unilaterally, violating the Constitution and the sovereignty of the Republic of Serbia. However, according to the decision of the UN international court: "Belgrade's consent to secession of Kosovo is not required."

Let me remind you that Kosovo declared independence on February 17, 2008. And the very next day, the USA, Great Britain, and France recognized its independence. A precedent has been created in practice. But that was not the end.

The issue was considered at the UN, and the UN General Assembly asked the UN International Court of Justice to provide an official legal clarification. The request was formulated as follows:

"Is the unilateral declaration of independence by the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government of Kosovo in line with international law?" (22nd plenary meeting, 08.10.2008)


The response of the court was as follows: (paragraph 122)

“Therefore, the Court holds that the adoption of the declaration of independence ... does not violate any applicable rules of international law.”

So, the essence of the Kosovo legal precedent is as follows: "if a part of the country declares its independence unilaterally, that is, against the will and laws of the original country (" mother "), then international (NB: international!) Law is not violated." (Andrey Chervonets)

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

The SECOND indisputable argument why the Crimea had reasons to leave Nezalezhnaya is the Ukrainian precedent

Before answering the question, on the basis of what law was the referendum held in Crimea, the Ukrainians must first have the courage and answer the question: on the basis of what law was the referendum held in Ukraine in 1991 on independence?

YES, it can be stated that the referendum in Ukraine was held on the basis of an article of the Constitution of the Soviet Union regarding the fact that any republic that is part of the Soviet Union has the basis to secede from the USSR on the basis (sorry for the tautology) of the referendum.

BUT! There is such a provision in the Constitution of the USSR on the right of exit, but this right has not been realized by Ukraine. First, Ukraine declared independence. And only a few months later, Ukraine held a referendum. But not about the exit!

Ukraine could exercise the right to secede only if this question was asked "do you want to secede from the Soviet Union", which actually was not done. The referendum was not about that. The question sounded like this:

“Do you confirm the Declaration of Independence of Ukraine?”

And from a legal point of view, this is far from the same question. Thus, Ukraine itself illegally withdrew from the Soviet Union, as it violated the exit procedure.

If you try to consider the issue from the point of view of declaring independence, and not leaving the USSR (I repeat, this is far from the same thing), then Ukraine itself has declared independence as a result of the Emergency Committee. As recorded in the Declaration of Independence:

"Based on the mortal danger looming over Ukraine in connection with the coup in the USSR on August 19, 1991 ... the Supreme Council of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic solemnly proclaims the independence of Ukraine and the creation of an independent Ukrainian state ...".

The secession of Crimea was also a consequence of a coup d'etat, the overthrow of the government elected by the people of Ukraine as a result of the "Euromaidan". The people of Crimea rightly considered that this coup was mortally dangerous for them. The declaration of independence in this case is 100% justified from the point of view of Ukraine itself. As you can see, the independence of the Crimea is determined no worse than the state sovereignty of Ukraine itself. Moreover, Crimea adopted the Declaration of Independence 2 weeks after the seizure of Ukrainian power. Whereas Ukraine declared itself independent 2 days after the overthrow of the State Emergency Committee (that is, after the danger had passed).

Plus, in 1991 Ukraine referred to the "right to self-determination provided for by the UN Charter and other international legal documents," a direct analogy to the situation with Crimea. Why then it was possible to refer to the right of peoples to self-determination, but now, in 2014, it is impossible? Why then it was possible to speak of "mortal danger in connection with a coup d'etat", but now, in 2014, it is impossible?

So Crimea used the "Ukrainian precedent", but made everything more convincing. (Andrey Chervonets)

[30143]

Listen, and not Yeltsin was the initiator of all this bedlam?

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

THIRD indisputable argument why the Crimea had reasons to leave Nezalezhnaya - this is Soviet law

Even if you do not take into account the two previous points (read about them above, they are reinforced concrete, but imagine for a second that they are not), then in this case Ukraine does not have the right to Crimea.

In the law of the USSR of the 90th year, how is this right realized? The law says that if there are autonomous entities on the territory of a union republic, referenda should be held independently of each other, which has not been done. This is the first moment. In fact, Ukraine annexed the territory of the autonomous Soviet republic of Crimea. The second point, a referendum can be held no earlier than six months after its announcement, but they have not even reached this point.

You can now ask a question:

"So it turns out that all other autonomous republics within the former Soviet are also illegally included in them?"

You ask and are so mistaken. All other autonomies did not claim such a right. Except for Chechnya, which was actually granted independence. Only in 1999, the militants began aggression in Dagestan. After that, the radical elements were forced to be destroyed, and in 2003 a national referendum was held in the republic, where residents of Chechnya made a voluntary choice to live as part of Russia.

Returning to the Crimea. In May 1992, Crimea declared its right - the Verkhovna Rada of the Republic adopted the Act on the Proclamation of State Independence, approved the Constitution of the Republic of Crimea and adopted a resolution on holding a Crimean referendum on independence on August 2, 1992. However, Kiev, in violation of the realization of the Republic’s right to self-determination, forbade the inhabitants of the peninsula to hold this referendum. Kiev is to blame. So why is Ukraine crying now?

By the way, at the same time, on May 21, 1992, the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation canceled the decision of "the highest organs of state power of the RSFSR to change the status of Crimea, adopted in 1954." And due to the fact that Russia and Ukraine already had bilateral agreements where they renounce territorial claims against each other, it is necessary to consider the settlement of the Crimean issue through interstate negotiations between Russia and Ukraine with the participation of Crimea, as well as on the basis of the will of the people of the peninsula . That is, everything is again within the framework of Soviet, Russian and international laws.

As you can see, there are many legal reasons why Crimea is not Ukraine. Mentally, he was never Ukrainian and never was. (Andrey Chervonets)

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

The FOURTH indisputable argument why Crimea had reasons to leave Nezalezhnaya is the Resolution of the Crimean Parliament of March 6, 2014

And one more point for those for whom the previous three are not enough. There was a resolution of the Crimean parliament.

Parliament decided that:

- in order to protect the inalienable rights and freedoms of citizens, including the right to life, freedom of thought and speech, the right to speak one’s native language,
- in order to protect against nationalist groups trying to penetrate from mainland Ukraine
- on the basis of the Constitution of the ARC, namely, in accordance with paragraph 7 of the first part of Article 18 (participation in matters relating to the Crimea) and paragraph 3 of the second part of Article 26 (decision to hold a republican (local) referendum).

By the way, and on the basis of an article of the Constitution of Ukraine (article 138), the Autonomous Republic of Crimea also had the right to a local referendum. But it was the local one that was appointed.

Someone will ask:

“But what about the supremacy of the Constitution of Ukraine over the Constitution of an autonomous republic?”


He will ask and get into trouble. Because, even in the Constitution of the peninsula of 1998, capitally chopped off in rights by Kiev, it is said that if the decisions of the Crimean parliament of Ukraine do not comply with the Ukrainian Constitution, only the president of Ukraine can suspend their action while addressing the Constitutional Court of Ukraine regarding their constitutionality. But here the whole nuance is that the only legitimate president of Ukraine was Yanukovych, who did not dispute anything. So, formally, the actions of the Parliament of Crimea do not fall under violations of the basic law of Ukraine.

Someone will hint about Turchinov? So he is a usurper who, after an unconstitutional armed coup in the country, led the country, on the basis of again an unconstitutional decision. No one had the right to strip Yanukovych of his post.

Yanukovych escaped? First, the Ukrainian Constitution has no concept of "self-limiting". Secondly, at the time when Turchynov took the presidency, Yanukovych was still in Ukraine.

The powers of the President of Ukraine terminate early in the event of:
1) resignation;
2) the inability to exercise their powers for health reasons;
3) post removal in impeachment order;
Xnumx) death.

Resignation is possible only if the president himself announces this in the Verkhovna Rada

If Yanukovych is a zradnik, then point 3 will do, but there is a whole procedure that has not been performed.
We will not even say that at first the case should have been checked by the country's Constitutional Court after the request of the Verkhovna Rada. The court was dispersed by the new Svidomo authorities. But even if we skip these OBLIGATORY procedures, 3/4 of the votes of the deputies of the Verkhovna Rada, as required by the basic law, were not collected in order to accuse the president of treason. Only 328 deputies voted for "samosunulis", while 3/4 is 337 votes.

Needless to say, nothing similar happened when VF Yanukovych was removed from his post. Consequently, the renunciation should be, in accordance with the current Constitution of Ukraine, qualified neither as impeachment, but as a coup d'etat.

So whatever you may say, the decision of the Crimean parliament received legal grounds, since there was no one to argue with him

Moreover, I note that fundamental violations of the Constitution by the Ukrainian authorities gave the grounds for the Autonomous Republic of Crimea to decide to consider the Constitution of Ukraine as invalid. The country jumping on the Maidan rejected its Constitution, therefore there can be no talk of any violation (at that time there was lawlessness, the Constitution on the territory called Ukraine)!

The only document extending the sovereignty of Ukraine to Crimea was the Constitution of Ukraine. Which at the time of the withdrawal of Crimea from the structure was no longer operational due to the illegal removal of Yanukovych from power. Coups d'état they are fraught with loss of territories. Incidentally, it was on the same basis that the Ukrainian SSR declared its independence.

Crimeans spoke out in conditions of an incompetent state and this opinion should be taken into account (Andrey Chervonets)

[akarfoxhound]

Some thief first stole your brain from you, but left the computer. He has a strange material value system, right?
Well, for the tasty - hello to you from my native RUSSIAN Sevastopol! Well, banderzyanka, feel better?

[30143]

As I understand it, it’s a stream of g in my address ... Well, of course, when words are not enough, labels begin to be glued. And what are your kids now eager for in Ukraine to receive education and documents? And Ukrainian does not scare them.
That one. Such a person sits and knocks on the keys ...

[Crimea26]

Sound the number of Crimeans "rushing" for education to Ukraine!)))))

[30143]

Sound it. You don’t understand that I’m not going to substitute people.

[izGOI]

Yes. for 25 years of independence Ukraine has stolen gas in three Crimea.

[nickname7]

You already lost all standards of decency, guys.

Classic - "What about us?"
You guys, when they gave Crimea to NATO base, it seems that not only decency was lost, but also the mind. Propaganda washed you that Ukraine should all, but in fact the agreement are mutual, i.e. two parties assume mutual obligations then the contract works, there are no unilateral contracts. Crimea was a part of Ukraine on the condition of maintaining the status quo at the time of 91 and with the obligation not to transfer it to third countries. These obligations have been violated. In 14, the Turchinov government transferred Crimea to NATO, in the US government procurement, tenders were placed for the construction of bases. So guys, don't say "we are for sho?"

Type Russia Ukraine’s assets in the Crimea is not pressed!

Correct wording - After 2014, Ukraine terminated the treaty unilaterally and the treaty ceased to be in force and the territory returned to its former state - in Russian jurisdiction.

What does propaganda do? Brains are disconnected, emotions prevail.

Try turning on your brains, no one personally stole anything from you, you can come to the Crimea at any time, especially the Ukrainian language is official there.

[ibn.shamai]

What are you, you are our amazed. And on what basis the Crimea was generally given to Ukraine by the more crunchy?

[whiteidol]

Well, we know that you’ve already prepared and have buckwheat. You’re waiting for the darkest one to visit.

[Crimea26]

Somehow you, pots, permanently Crimea exists only as a territory, as an absolutely empty piece of very "tasty" land. Have 2,5 million people in Crimea ever existed for you? Have you ever considered them your fellow citizens? Does their opinion exist for you? Or have you only arrogated to yourself the right to decide for everyone? Well, what are you unhappy with now?

[75 Sergey]

Yes, do not mind, rake ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: 30143

And the Crimea itself?

And Crimea is Russia, how can you overcome yours?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: 30 vis

will return the money to depositors're coming out of the bank "Privat"! Stolen from the Crimean and Sevastopol residents by the owner of the bank Kolomoisky! Brazenly stole and does not buzz ...

And what to worry about the richest character from Latvia - privatbank.lv functions without problems. You can’t do without a candelabra ..

[Maikcg]

If you want to ruin the country, give her a cruiser or return her her scrap metal. How much we have learned after that, as Muscovites stole the space cruisers of the Navy in 2014, and returned tin cans with rusty nuts.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

You need to return this scrap metal to the Navy, it’s high time.

Unless at their expense after 100% prepayment.

[Yrec]

Of course, return. But you just need to tear out the toilets from the latrine, let them have fun.

[antivirus]

because Donuzlav will be dirtied, sediment will lie down and g will flow on the water

[4ekist]

This trash will spoil the picturesque views of the bay and the sea. In a good way, you need to cut and send it to the scrap.

[Gennady Zavalov_2]

How to return it? Do you live well? And who will pay the costs? We are no longer brothers, I forgot. Give them back without pay, they will drag their entire fleet to us for free, we will monitor and guard him, and they will scream to the whole world about the next seizure, and wait until we return again. And there it comes down to aviation, even if you type planes stand, only you follow them. Let first pay for the whole day parking, freeloaders.

[venik]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

As the Ukrainian media wrote about two diesel engines of the BDK project 775 "Konstantin Olshansky", one did not work even before the loss of Crimea, and the second damaged the crew during the seizure of the ship.

=======
And after that, they come forward, the Russian Navy urgently needed the "application", tk. Russian landing ships "... atthe same "breathe in the incense" and almost all in need of repair.... "! For what then "breathes"This" Olshansky "?? Go and restore it will not work!

[Romario_Argo]

as an option, we can restore the large landing craft "Konstantin Olshansky", recently in Sevastopol the large landing craft Yamal was undergoing repairs after a collision with the Orka container ship.
only in the Ukrainian Navy there are still saboteurs of the Special Forces center in Ochakov, they can try to drown the large landing craft, like the Italians once did the battleship "Novorossiysk"
- type take revenge
so it’s not clear what’s easier: cut everything, or build your own, or walk along the blade

[TermNachTer]

"Olshansky" had problems with the hermeticity of the hull. The Theodosia Marine said that when they were taken to Zmeiny, during the next "snack" with Romania, the pumps that pump out the water did not stop for a minute. And the crew was very worried if something happened to the pumps. I don't think things are better there now.

[bayard]

Maybe I'm wrong, but in the year 2016 - 2017 there was an article on VO and not only that "Olshansky" underwent repair of the hull and engines, restored readiness and painted (photographs were given, including procedures). His non-participation in the Syrian Express was explained by possible problems in the straits in the event of a protest from Sumeria, therefore he stands in Crimea, and his bosses are determined. Although it's easier than ever to announce his arrest for the debts of Ukraine (any of the debts will do, there are many of them) and use it for its intended purpose.

[TermNachTer]

In 2016-17, this is Crimea as part of Russia. Someone would repair a steamer that might have to be given away? 100% not sure, but given the tendency of the Yanukovych era - to save on the army, it is quite possible. The 55th artillery brigade from becoming an artillery regiment was saved only by the beginning of the civil war. Already the entire l / s composition was notified that the anti-tank division was leaving for the range and firing from the "rapier" until the guns were completely killed, after which it was disbanded. And three howitzer divisions remain.

[aries2200]

remove the toilet to return ... the rest is like a sea target for training firing

[iouris]

Fool our brother.

[NEXUS]

Most of the remaining Ukrainian ships and vessels cannot be restored.

With that government and ideology, as well as external management, all of Ukraine is not subject to restoration there, not only its ships.

[bessmertniy]

If the ships were abandoned, then Ukraine does not need them. It was necessary for a long time to activate it and what can be used and what not - for cutting.

[30143]

You were in the Crimea, what talks about what they threw?

[Horon]

I was! So what? What for 6 years did not take? The answer is simple: they can’t hold out even on the open sea for half a day! That's why they threw this scrap metal, plus there is always a reason to turn the figs towards Russia!

[Horon]

Nonsense! Then why did the other ships that left at the beginning pick up? And since they consider them their own, why do they consider it normal to leave them out of service? Without service, any equipment quickly becomes worthless, even consider it yours, at least do not consider it.

[Horon]

Something did not notice the obstacles for the presence of technical personnel. Your brother is quite a lot both in the Crimea and throughout Russia and I don’t see that they would experience any insurmountable obstacles. And before the massacre in the Donbass, there were no special obstacles to organize the redeployment of the crew. It was enough, and it remains, to show the peacefulness and political flexibility to the Ukrainian leadership, so no, only international whining, tears, snot and ridiculous threats towards Russia.

[Vasyan1971]

the Russian navy urgently needs landing ships for the Syrian Express, as its own are already "on their way" and almost all are in need of repair.

Yeah. And "Olshansky" in general, even stopped breathing long ago.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Yeah. And "Olshansky" in general, even stopped breathing long ago.

everything is simpler there - to make kapitalka diesels / diesel replace if kapitalka impossible.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: PSih2097

everything is easier there

Kaneshna. So "planning" - not tossing bags. And besides diesels, are there any problems?

[PSih2097]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Kaneshna. So "planning" - not tossing bags. And besides diesels, are there any problems?

Well, yes, the BDK-56 is older than the Kunikov for a whole year, all the more it got it for free, if it would have been possible to get the Lobov in the same way - it would have been restored, and not cut on needles, as the hokhlyand wishes.

[Romka47]

It is necessary to overtake them by force against the non-brothers, in addition to the cruiser Ukraine, they will finish them off at the wall of theirs themselves.

[Wedmak]

And if you simply bring them to the border of Ukraine and unhook them on the go, sending them to the coast, will they swim?

[novel66]

interesting idea! can still be equipped with sails, so that they have sailed, it’ll be funny

[svd-xnumx]

As it says - "If you want to ruin a small country, give it a cruiser"

[svp67]

It would be nice to announce the entire list of these "chauhniv" ...

In particular, such an assumption was put forward in relation to the BDK project 775 "Konstantin Olshansky." As some commentators have stated, the Russian fleet urgently needs landing ships for the Syrian Express, as its own are already breathing, and almost everyone needs to be repaired.

It's funny, you might think that "Olshansky" in 2014 did not "breathe in vain", and after six years of standing, that he is now breathing and it is not clear, although if he replenished our ship group, I would not mind ... An extra "pennant" would not hurt us now, but they are unlikely to go for it, they will sooner "rot" in Donuzlav

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: svp67

It would be nice to announce the entire list of these "chauhniv" ...

Diesel-electric submarine "Zaporozhye"
BDK "Konstantin Olshansky"
Small anti-submarine ship "Ternopil";
Small anti-submarine ship "Lutsk";
Small anti-submarine ship "Khmelnitsky";
Sea minesweeper "Chernigov";
Sea minesweeper "Cherkasy" (the one about which Ukrainian propagandists invent myths and make films);
Missile boat "Pridneprovye";
Rescue tugboat "Kremenets";
Floating crane "Kalanchak";
Harbor tug "Dubno" (until recently, Ukrainian propagandists claimed that it was in Odessa, issued orders to change its side number on an equal footing with all ships controlled by Ukraine);
Artillery boat (earlier - torpedoes) "Kherson".
BRZK "Slavutich"
PDRK "Feodosia"
BGK "Skvira"
MUS-482

[svp67]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Sea minesweeper "Cherkasy" (the one about which Ukrainian propagandists invent myths and make films);

They have already filmed ... we would have made a film about this "fighting" boat, but only about the times when it bore the name "Scout"

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

issued orders

Here is a real "mosquito flotilla"

[Sailor]

It was during my service, on it the senior went to that campaign of the chief of staff cap.3 Baskin, the patronymic name, unfortunately I do not remember, but there was a funny man and a womanizer still

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Small anti-submarine ship "Ternopil";

At the time of the loss of his Navy, Ukarina was the most combat-ready ship, just after repair

[Livonetc]

Advice please.
What is this catamaran in the first photo?

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Oil skimmer "MUS-482". The oil skimmer is designed to clean the water areas of closed roads, ports and harbors from floating oil products and debris, followed by transportation of the collected oil products and debris to the place of delivery. Cleaning of the open part of the water area is provided when working on the move, in stagnant areas of the water area (at piers, berths, between ships, etc.) - when working at a stop, within the range of jetting devices. The grip width of the contaminated surface is regulated by the guide plates. Oil garbage collection vessel of project 14630 is a catamaran type vessel with simplified contours. The engine room and deckhouse are located aft.

[svp67]

Quote: Livonetc

What is this catamaran in the first photo?

The MUS-482 oil and waste skimmer was built at the Azov shipyard in 1983 (serial number 8004) and became part of the Black Sea Fleet.

[novel66]

this is the "tornado" yacht

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Return to their wretched trash.

[Masha]

So he didn’t need them ... how many times were they offered to pick up? But to tinkle, to coddle it yes .... do not feed bread
...

[30143]

It’s you miserable, since you didn’t understand what happened and what it will lead to ...

[Svarog51]

NATO has deprived you, but has left you to the mercy of fate, so rejoice that Crimea has avoided this fate. Although, what am I talking about? You rejoice when a cow died at a neighbor.

[30143]

Are you trying to get in with the tips

[Svarog51]

So far, just you came to the Russian site with your opinion, got in, so to speak. And as you see, here you are not welcome. At the same time, also rude.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

30143, And what it will lead to, explain to us ignoramuses, show off your erudition ..)

[Sancho_SP]

You can give in the wake of warlike rhetoric. That would start spending money on them.


And so on the target, then on the scrap - quite a solution.

[novel66]

it is necessary to test zircons on something

[Karaul14]

ships abandoned by Ukrainian sailors in Crimea

Judging by what was happening there - the ships locked in the lake stormed for more than one day with the help of boats and helicopters, the word "abandoned" is definitely not suitable here.

[kpd]

The equipment was exported to the mainland, then the process was stopped by the decision of Ukraine, this was already after the entry of Crimea from the Russian Federation.
“At the moment, Russia has transferred to Ukraine 43 ships and vessels of the Ukrainian Navy out of 72, all armored vehicles and vehicles, part of aircraft and helicopters.“ Representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine in Crimea are scaling down their work and leaving, explaining this by the decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine to terminate military-technical cooperation with Russia, ”Menyailo said.
and about. Governor of Sevastopol Sergey Menyailo June 17, 2014

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

So why the hell did they transfer all this equipment to the sharovarnik? Really it was not clear that they would spoil, constantly and on this technique, trample down on Donbass?

[Karaul14]

Quote: kpd

The equipment was exported to the mainland, then the process was stopped by the decision of Ukraine, this was already after the entry of Crimea from the Russian Federation.

In fact, it was like this: the Donuzlav lake was blocked by the flooded BOD Ochakov, seized all the ships (the assault lasted several days), then the equipment gradually surrendered to Ukraine (previously disabled) and at the time of the aggravation of the situation in the Donbass of the Russian Federation, it froze the delivery of equipment.

[Moon]

Quote: Karaul14

Judging by what was happening there - the ships locked in the lake stormed for more than one day with the help of boats and helicopters, the word "abandoned" is definitely not suitable here.

so they were blocked by flooding "Ochakov" by the forces of the Russian Navy. By the way, it is a very indicative act that cannot be explained by any "referendum" or by some third party forces, or by the Crimeans themselves. In general, the very process of flooding and blocking the forces of the Russian Navy with the forces of the Ukrainian Navy is already the fact of declaring war without official damage.
This is what the Japanese tried to do during the years of the REV. (Block the external raid of the PA). Also without a declaration of war.
Well, then they began to take the blocked ones by starvation or assault. Using quite standard methods.
Yes, I’m aware that official propaganda in the Russian Federation prohibits the announcement that the capture of Crimea was not bloodless, however, the Russian military killed the Ukrainian and here it’s impossible to say that everything was fine, Crimea was everything by itself, the Russian Federation didn’t do anything under any laws.
Yes, apparently the blocking of the ships of a friendly country is a peaceful action, the blocking by the armed forces — the places of deployment of troops of a friendly country — is also quite within the framework of international law.
The murder of the Ukrainian military (example Kokorin) can be passed off as a murder by some "Latvian sniper" (apparently he changed the sniper to AK)
In general, there are more than enough such moments.
The main thing is that officially our Crimea was bloodless and, according to all the rules, was received. By the method of Frederick 2.
Another fact is funny if the Crimeans in the form of Ukrainian troops (namely, the inhabitants of the Crimea served and they transferred to the RF Armed Forces) received an order to open fire to defeat. They would have gotten our bloodier Crimea, which was still considered successful.
True, no one in Ukraine then thought to shoot at the Russians. For Ukrainians, it was blasphemous then.
But the Russians were just thinking about the order and did not hesitate to shoot.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Σελήνη

True, no one in Ukraine then thought to shoot at the Russians. For Ukrainians, it was blasphemous then.
But the Russians were just thinking about the order and did not hesitate to shoot

If you repeat "halva" a hundred times, your mouth will not become sweeter ... facts would ...

Quote: Σελήνη

In general, there are more than enough such moments

That's right, it is for "moments". Facts, preferably - correctly confirmed ... wait, sir

[Karaul14]

Yes, initially Russia denied its participation in the "self-defense of Crimea", only after the "referendum" was it announced officially. By the time the seizure of Donbass began according to the same scenario, Ukraine had already assembled a little frame and began to give an armed rebuff with its army destroyed to the ground - as a result, Russia did not appear there, only "they are not there" and "militias", things did not go further. It would have been the same in Crimea, the operation was carried out quickly and "on a sucker", since no one gave a rebuff, they went there and stayed there, while everyone at the General Staff of Ukraine sat and did not understand what to do, and they came from NATO instructions such as "do not twitch, do not go into conflict."

[Igor Borisov_2]

Continue to use as targets ....

[cniza]

Most of the remaining Ukrainian ships and vessels cannot be restored.

It seems like the state of Ukraine itself ...

[Masha]

This under-state, even when it dies, it will stink and stink for a long time ..........

[cniza]

And we have nowhere to go, we’ll have to clean and tidy everything up ...

[Masha]

dust, dust ........

[cniza]

Dust is prohibited, but bleach is easy ...

[Masha]

then bigger and denser ... kind I ... nothing sorry!

[Svarog51]

Maria This metal can clean fire of open-hearth furnaces.

[Masha]

Sergey, hello there!
I wish you an open-hearth furnace for centuries to burn brightly!
And for you rolling mill, I will drink 300 grams of vodka!
but .. breaking bad ... Friday !!!!

[Svarog51]

Mandatory, Marisha I’ll join later, it’s necessary behind the wheel.

[Masha]

no wand, no nail !!!

[Asad]

For scrap! At least a little money for the content to return, and they screech, and so every day!

[Lord of the Sith]

Some can be used as a firewall in case of provocations.

[Elephant]

And this is a good option, I fully support!

[Olya Tsako]

With this rust all the ecology in the Northern, Southern and Quarantine bays was dirtied. The solarium is already pouring from all the cracks. In Donuzlav, it’s easier to block and clean the port water area with booms.

[Marconi41]

the Russian navy urgently needs landing ships for the Syrian Express, as its own are already "on their way" and almost all are in need of repair.

It seems that Olshansky has only become newer in 6 years and does not need repair.

[New Year day]

Quote: Marconi41

For 6 years, Olshansky has only become newer and does not need repair.

Engines! Once they wrote that when putting into cylinders, sand was poured and the shaft was turned. Since 6 years he defended, so it is

[Sergei 23]

Of course you need to return! But who will take them, after all, they are still military units for them. Only battle takes place in another plane.

[KDVO]

Why not tow to their border: let them take

[Elephant]

It will be an attraction of unprecedented generosity. This is not worth doing. Long-term parking at our seaport of foreign ships is definitely worth the money!

[Elephant]

It would be more expedient to withdraw the Ukrainian vessels from the Sevastopol bays and to flood them near the sea for the development of aquaculture (mussels, shrimps, crabs, etc.). And for the content from the age of 14 of these foreign boats to file international lawsuits against ukro-freeloaders.

[Vladimir Balaev]

Use as targets for shooting

[Marconi41]

Quote: Vladimir Balaev

Use as targets for shooting

You can’t even imagine how much money is needed to make a target out of a large ship and not anger environmentalists and other greens. Better to give this rust for cutting.

[Gogia]

Quote: Fantazer911

Yes, the latter is being pulled from Ukraine, people are impoverished, prices are rising, gas is diluted with water, the flame is not blue but yellow and smokes, I don’t think that many would like it to be that way, after the unleashed war against its people, Turchynov didn’t get enough of it?

Duck half of Ukraine is now ready to crack the shit, if only "Muscovites have died" They already have a hard time with their brains - it's hot, etc. and here they washed it with slops that they blew their nose ... I have 2 sisters there, cousins ​​with husbands from the West ... They sing such songs ...

[30143]

They have their own truth. And you are impatient. You can look for common ground, not tear.

[New Year day]

... Large landing craft project 775 "Konstantin Olshansky".

When the Ukrainian team left, the engines were disabled. If I am not mistaken, then the ship was commissioned in the 80s.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

The maintenance of Ukrainian ships also costs money. Better to return. We have already played enough with the Ukrainian border ships. The border patrol ship of the State Border Service of Ukraine BG-52 "Grigory Gnatenko" of project 12412 and the ship of project 205P - Kerch "Bukovina" were drowned during the exercises. In April 2017, during the exercises of the Black Sea Fleet missile boats, the Grigory Gnatenko Pskr was destroyed. Pska "Bukovina" became the second in line. During the exercises in October 2017, two Su-30SM Black Sea Fleet fighters from the Saki airfield inflicted two airstrikes on it. After which he sank. It happened under Cape Opuk.
Photo by "Grigory Gnatenko"

How to do it? This junk is needed by ukrozhop just in Russia’s hands, as a constant irritant and source of shit. While they are with us, they can tryndet about capture. Do we really have to tow them and put them near the walls in the base squares? A bunch of photos proving the military campaign of the Russian fleet, the planned capture of Ukrainians. And with the help of penguins, the spread of this lie around the world. Do we need this? Yes, let them rot near the walls, and drown. The position of the present will not last forever.

[gurzuf]

Quote: g1v2

My personal opinion is that there shouldn’t be Ukraine at all, and Russian lands should return to the Russian state

Here! Gold words!!!

[Viktor123]

Since Ukraine does not need these "ships" - to use them as targets at ranges.

[Shura Wii]

It was necessary to trash this under the cover of the Black Sea Fleet in order to avoid provocations, bring embroiderers into territorial waters, away from the Crimea and throw them there.

[Shura Wii]

The embroidered fleet of Ukraine is the wettest in the world !!! Sala in Ukraine !!! Heroes in the shit !!!

[RoTTor]

Use as targets in practical firing of ships of the Black Sea Fleet.

Maybe something suitable to convey the DNI?

[Protos]

Quote: Karaul14

ships abandoned by Ukrainian sailors in Crimea

Judging by what was happening there - the ships locked in the lake stormed for more than one day with the help of boats and helicopters, the word "abandoned" is definitely not suitable here.

They "stormed" with water from water cannons and words into a matyugalnik and a couple of Mi-35 flights + four light and noise
By the time of the "assault" there were only roguli left on board, which password-protected all the mechanics with electronics from idleness, but so, sho the Ukrainians then refused to take it!

[Motorist]

Does anyone crank mechanisms there?

[rus-5819]

The collection and towing of ships was carried out by forces and means of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia

invoice in accordance with international rates

relocated to the point of the Crimean naval base - Donuzlav (the former main base of the South Naval Forces of the Ukrainian Navy), where they will stand up for further sediment.

Well, as in the anthem: "It has not rotted, but the Navy is alive" Otherwise, where do so many tank-dangerous admirals to do with

[storm]

you need to equip all this rotting trash with toilets and send them to their destination in Odessa

[NERV]

Crimea has never been neither Russian nor Russian ... and never will be! :)

[30143]

Well, he became Russian after the Tatars. Then Ukrainian, as a result of a coup ... Oh, so these are the fathers of the current three Great countries!

I have a suggestion to draw a line under all this holoimis or verbal diarrhea, as you like.
And if you really want good neighborly relations, do not cling and do not judge Ukraine and Ukrainians.

[xomaNN]

For the mind: from uk..r. BDK and so on. actively take spare parts for mechanisms, outwardly, let the bodies defend themselves in Donuzlav. External and space photos will show: they took 2014 buildings in 30 - and now, in 2020, 30 buildings are available. Service, of course, no. They stand and rot. Most of them can hardly be "revived". But several 1124 TFR (2-3 pieces) there are not so old and if they return to the Naval Forces of Ukraine they will be reanimated in Nikolaev and provocations for the Black Sea Fleet will be added. Why should such gifts be given?
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However, VVP in his mind wants to again offer a gift to "uk..r. Partners." - to give the squadron.

[xomaNN]

A submarine 641 project (ex Zaporozhye) is not bad to save. And then, as the hype settles down, make it a museum. In St. Petersburg, 613 submarines are on the Neva. Great natural museum.

In Crimea, too, will be the way as a departing nature

[aries2200]

Well, if there was an international visa about two toilet bowls ... then I can imagine what will happen now ... it is better to use them as a sea target for training our wars

[petrol cutter]

From the NW "More" - let "Poltava" be taken away.
Dangles just like in an ice hole. Only takes up space. In the extreme "storm" - from the mooring lines it was torn off / carried around the base ... We thought it would sink by morning. But no, the Soviet shipbuilding proved the correctness of the calculations for the safety factor.
And pounding him against the wall is unbearable. All starboard. Thought, or the board will break, or spread ...

[Crimea26]

Connect with each other, lead to the border of Ukraine and let go with the flow - where God will send ....

[30143]

However, RECORD! Class.