Poll. On voting options for amendments to the Constitution: are you already familiar with all the proposed changes?

A little more than a month remains until day K. Today, “day K” is called April 22, the date on which the so-called nationwide vote on amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation is scheduled.

Voting may be postponed due to the threat of the spread of coronavirus. But until the transfer has taken place, it is proposed to discuss everything that may appear in the new version of the Russian Basic Law, adopted, recall, in 1993 and already amended by some amendments. It is also worth recalling that citizens are invited to vote not on separate sections of the amendments, not on each of the amendments, but on the so-called “single package”. The question has been prepared accordingly: “Do you support the amendments to the Constitution?” with two possible answers: “Yes” and “No”.

The situation today is such that many Russians are frankly poorly familiar with the “full package” of amendments, which the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation recently recognized as “fully compliant with the Constitution.” Surveys show that some of the proposed amendments are familiar to people, but not all. Those that are most heard: the ban on the alienation of Russian territories, the prescribed annual indexation of pensions, the regulation of the institution of the family as a union of a man and a woman, on the approval by the State Duma of the head of government. There is especially a lot of talk about the “nullification” of the presidential term due to the fact that the Constitution may be amended.

In total, there are dozens of amendments to the Basic Law. And it is noteworthy that today by no means every Russian interested in the issue will easily find this list on the net. Moreover, search results often give completely different results: 38 on one site, 34 on the other, 31 on the third, and suddenly more than fifty on the fourth.
When the user nevertheless finds a complete list of amendments to the Basic Law, he discovers that he is talking about numerous pages of text, which describe several amendments to dozens of articles, including parliamentary control, the status of the president after his termination and other, other, other. Not only additional paragraphs appear, but also sub-paragraphs: for example, paragraph g1, part 1, article 130 on “hearing the annual reports of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation”.

Question: can an average citizen who cannot offer to study each of the amendments, and immediately - “in the forehead” - answer either “yes” or “no” to understand all these legal terms? It turns out that initially a person must decide whether he supports all the amendments or does not support all of them. No other option is provided. If, for example, a person supports 10 amendments, but does not support ten others, then how to vote “for” or “against”?

In general, there are too many questions for the voting system itself (if it solves something in this case).

We invite readers to take a survey, expressing their opinion on the voting option to amend the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

Comments

[knn54]

"Announce the ENTIRE list, please" ...

[Svarog]

Quote: knn54

"Announce the ENTIRE list, please" ...

Well, as we can see from the voting, the leader is by a huge margin - "for each amendment separately"
And also, we will soon see that the opinion of the people does not interest anyone and the decision has already been made ..

[paul3390]

Vote, don’t vote - you’ll get anyway ... Well, Putin will leave - what will change? Instead, they will put exactly the same .. If not worse. The big bourgeoisie will never allow anything to change for the people for the better. For she is concerned solely with her own interests. And they radically diverge from the interests of people and the country. Here the whole system must be changed. Back to the socialist. Otherwise, the bourgeois will kill us all with their insatiable greed and shamelessness ..

[The popuas]

Rosgvardeytsy faced a dilemma when they saw a man with a banner for Putin, a life sentence ...!

[Thrifty]

Popuas! You minus for plagiarism! !!

[Yegorchik]

Quote: Thrifty

Popuas! You minus for plagiarism! !!

Horror, you probably don’t even retell jokes, is this a copyright violation?

[The popuas]

Ahaha, it makes no difference to me, but six have slapped you though, catch the seventh

[teron]

I completely agree with you, colleague.

[Old partisan]

And what do you propose to sit on the armchair at the computer and wait until a handful of coves plunder the rest of the country? And then cry what to do? Why didn’t they think up there.

[Grizzly bear]

,, And what do you propose to sit on the armchair at the computer and wait until a handful of coves plunder the rest of the country? And then cry what to do? Why didn’t you think up there. ,,

Do you want to repeat the Ukrainian script?

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Grizzly Bear

Do you want to repeat the Ukrainian script?

You know, if everyone was always afraid of repeating something there .... You wouldn’t be sitting in the armchair at the computer, but would chasing a hare through the woods with a hooted and barking sound. In the best case, with a stone ax, but most likely just with a stick more weighty. And in the evening, by the fire, they would say to a disgruntled compatriot - do you want to repeat the ******** option?

[Grizzly bear]

,, You know, if everyone was always afraid of repeating something there .... You wouldn’t be sitting in the armchair at the computer, but would chasing a hare through the forest with your ears and barking. In the best case, with a stone ax, but most likely just with a stick more weighty. And in the evening, by the fire, they would say to a disgruntled compatriot - do you want to repeat the ******** option ?,

In a neighboring country, if everyone was sitting at the computer, then there would be no civil war and they would not lose territory.
And then there is just a return to the club for a long time already outlined. What are some skakuas worth

[antique]

By the way, I am very confused by the amendment on the immunity of former presidents. There is no such thing anywhere in the world. This is strange. By the way, the US government has officially declared Putin a corrupt official. Let's say <with all our distrust of our overseas partners, this is true. As is true, those $ 200bn which are attributed to Putin. Purely theoretically or hypothetically. He is corrupt. So he robbed an entire country. Finished working as president and happiness comes. IMMUNITY. How so? We had Boris Nikolaevich and his Family. Which safely entered the billionaire club. Vladimir Vladimirovich, a special decree was issued for this happy family. Liberating them all from their respective persecution. Next is the turn of the next president. And there it is already spelled out in the Constitution.
“Article 921

1. The President of the Russian Federation, who has ceased to perform his duties due to the expiration of his term of office or ahead of schedule in the event of his resignation or persistent inability to exercise his powers due to health reasons, shall have immunity.

[Loess]

Quote: Antique

Incidentally, I am very confused by the amendment on the immunity of former presidents.

It seems that there are points both on the removal of the president from power, and on the abolition of immunity.

[antique]

Yes, there are such items. But it is very tricky and difficult to do. Voting in the State Duma, and in the Federation Council at least 2/3 of the payroll and other and other. Almost like a referendum to organize. Suggests suspicion.

[Loess]

Quote: Antique

But it’s very tricky

So how should it be?

[antique]

And there should be IMMILITY of the former leaders. There is no such cynicism anywhere in the world. If you are not a thief and clean before the law, the law will protect you. And if ... As the people say? On the thief and the hat is on. Therefore, I think such amendments have been introduced.

[the most important]

Quote: Less

Quote: Antique
But it’s very tricky

So how should it be?

But it is necessary on a common basis! Just like anyone who lives in the country, the president must be equal before the law.

[Victor N]

That's right about immunity. Lovers of fun, trample in the dirt of any former leader of the passion as much. They are afraid of taking risks themselves, but kicking ....

[antique]

Quote: Victor N

That's right about immunity. Lovers of fun, trample in the dirt of any former leader of the passion as much. They are afraid of taking risks themselves, but kicking ....

In South Korea, former presidents are regularly sent to jail, the country is developing and there are no questions about risks.
If the head of the BOP, and robbing his people of his place in prison. Even if the surname of emissary Putin. Even if it’s not the namesake, but a real living former president. It should not be otherwise. Right now, the US government has officially declared Putin a corrupt official. Found his money in the assets of Deripaska. Following some time later, President Trump’s commission should already have its say, consisting already of special services. Which also seek Putin’s money. It will be interesting to know.
Well, since such a booze went, and this amendment on immunity is one of the most important. Putin is cowardly and trembling with fear. Therefore, she appeared. So only a dishonest person can be afraid. Therefore, we are against amendments to the Constitution. A thief should be in prison.

[Overlock]

Quote: Victor N

Lovers of fun, trample in the dirt of any former leader of the passion as much.

and let him not steal

[Senior manager]

Quote: Antique

possesses immunity.

The hunchbacked original sins will have more and nothing, even trying to give advice. There is another way of voting - POST. It will result in a more compact and wider picture of opinions, and accordingly, some amendments may not pass. But who can let him spoil the picture with oil - a plebiscite, supposedly. Although I personally leave the GDP in power.

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Lannan Shi

And in the evening, by the fire, they would say to a disgruntled compatriot - do you want to repeat the ******** option?

And you would answer him, no, let's jump as if we were neighbors? This is progress!

Go already, lady, find yourself a man, and let him close your child. And then come back and tell me, would you like revolutions yet?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Lannan Shi

if everyone was always afraid of repeating something there .... You wouldn’t be sitting in the computer’s armchair now, but you would chase a hare through the forest with your ear and bark

Your reasoning well confirms the presence in nature of the so-called. "female logic", neither with logic nor with reality has nothing in common

[Stas-90]

Do you want to repeat the Ukrainian script?

And why, if someone is against innovations - immediately the Ukrainian scenario? Someone simply does not want to maintain this dregs.
In our country, half of the country is not interested in politics at all. And to assume that housewives and teenagers rush to look for the full texts of the amendments in the vastness of the tynet and delve into their legal language is at least naive. Voting will be reduced to a simple question - "You are for amendment Putin?" WELL NO.
And very soon it may turn out that the votes are not at all for what they thought. They just "misunderstood" because of their darkness. Vaughn, everyone thought that the middle class is about 100 per month and we were promised that soon the majority will become the middle class. And when they asked the person in charge - when will this moment come, he gave out that it turns out that we are all already middle class, and what else do you want from me ...
Imagine a family with three children with the earnings of both spouses for 17 sput. This is the MIDDLE CLASS!
But.

[Grizzly bear]

,, And why, if someone is against innovations - immediately the Ukrainian scenario? Someone simply does not want to support this dregs. ,,

So vote against. And you do not need to stir up the water.

[Grizzly bear]

,, We have half the country politics is not interested in the word at all. ,,

In general, they’re doing the right thing. You can live and raise children under any authority. And what does the future of the country, and the world as a whole, depend on the quality of upbringing and education of children.

But many of Ukraine’s children have been deprived of their future or have taken their life altogether. And the blood of these children is for everyone who is somehow involved in the coup and the subsequent events.

[Victor N]

I recommend listening to Rosenbaum's "Dragonfly". This is about Donbass. You will understand why you should always remember the topic. Very easy to understand.

[paul3390]

Join the Communist Party, work with people, get ready for the future. Just not in the Communist Party-because it is not a Communist Party ..

[UserGun]

Quote: paul3390

Well, Putin will leave - what will change? Instead, they will put exactly the same ..

Those. do you propose a neo-monarchy shyly concealed by nullified rags? Even if the nullified king, who in every possible way eradicated the slightest creep on the very possibility of a change of power, frankly and essentially did not fulfill his promise ONE?

[Varyag_0711]

UserGun (Alexander)
Those. do you propose a neo-monarchy shyly concealed by nullified rags?

Have you read his comment to the end, or did you only see about Putin? The man wrote to you in Russian that no matter what the existing system, WHO will be president and I absolutely agree with him. Change Putin to Medvedev (which is clearly worse), Mishustin, Volodin, and at least no one will change anything.
I’m personally for returning to the USSR, but I understand for sure that neither Zyuganov, nor Grudinin, having come to power, will change anything, even if they really want it, but they don’t want it, the wrong caliber, so even if they wanted it Millers, Sechins, Chubais, Grefs and others will not allow to do. It is naive to believe that these gentlemen are ready to share with you not only money, but also power. This is absurd.
So if there is no revolution from above, which many counted on during Putin's "last" term, then, in all likelihood, Russia could face a revolution from below, which would simply lead to unpredictable consequences.
So read carefully, not just the first line.

[UserGun]

No. I directly raised the question. And if you can not change the citizen, standing at the very top of the government, and initially assigned to this place, then this is called a neo-monarchy. All these toothless shaking about the fact that nothing will change nothing in essence, who you don’t put, does not give anything good. Even in a wild pack, the leader is changed if he does not bring prosperity to his pack, and to the whole pack. And it does not matter if he is a commie or a retired KGB officer who has successfully established himself as a liquid trader.

[Campanella]

Deploy the state to socialism is very simple. We must regain control of the natural monopolies of the state. And then step by step.

[paul3390]

I said - the return of Soviet power is proposed. As the only sane option to get out of zhёppa into which capitalism drove us.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: paul3390

Vote, don’t vote - you’ll get anyway ... Well, Putin will leave - what will change? Instead, they will put exactly the same .. If not worse. The big bourgeoisie will never allow anything to change for the people for the better. For she is concerned solely with her own interests. And they radically diverge from the interests of people and the country. Here the whole system must be changed. Back to the socialist. Otherwise, the bourgeois will kill us all with their insatiable greed and shamelessness ..

I absolutely agree, especially in Russian realities, our capitalism is completely different and the bestial grin of the west is the smile of a puppy compared to ours. It’s just that it won’t work out without blood, and for it to happen, you need people to be ready and have a leader ... What happens to leaders, we all know, one in a ditch, the other at the bottom of the river ...

[Machito]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: knn54

"Announce the ENTIRE list, please" ...

Well, as we can see from the voting, the leader is by a huge margin - "for each amendment separately"
And also, we will soon see that the opinion of the people does not interest anyone and the decision has already been made ..

Vote - do not vote, you still get .... zeroing.
No matter how they vote, it is important how they think. 146% of voters for amendments, the remaining 567% abstained.

[Demon_is_ada]

I wanted to vote separately, but for some reason I accidentally clicked on a batch ... I thought ... on this planet there is nothing random ... I thought for a second - two packets Like a "people's package" from our madness and personally from the president, so we'll see who's who, and if everything is right, Duc can write "I am the King!" well and, accordingly, I twist what I want, so to speak, the usurpation of autocracy with guarantees in the constitution in the form "in case of my violation of the basic law, a pitchfork in my side is good business" ... Well, cho, we feel sorry for that Well, our traditions are such, irremovable leaders or are dying of old age, or the people are helping them ... Is this pushing of responsibility to each other and secret ballot enough, why be afraid to openly express our point of view? Well, some oppositionist turned out to be, well, let him live, he proves that he is cooler, and life will put everything in its place ...

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: knn54

"Announce the ENTIRE list, please" ...

Well, as we can observe from the voting, the leader is by a huge margin - "for each amendment separately."

Not far away is the third option, a boycott, for some reason called, no, with a strange explanation. It is more logical to assume that from the second option which will not be offered, everyone needs to go into the third, otherwise they will have to choke on a complex dinner with sewage floating in it and shipwreck fragments prepared by the dirty hands of food products.

[Victor N]

For those who are not used to going to restaurants, a comprehensive lunch is quite suitable.

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Victor N

For those who are not used to going to restaurants, a comprehensive lunch is quite suitable.

The majority of citizens prefer home-cooked meals prepared by relatives with loving hands to complex dinners in public catering.

[Victor N]

The decision "what to vote for" and "how to vote" has already been taken by the authorized bodies of state power, elected by the citizens of Russia. How to assess the position of the author? Didn't they please him? It looks like he wanted to provoke naive readers (and there are many of them here) to provoke. Ugly!

[Vita vko]

Quote: knn54

"Announce the ENTIRE list, please" ...

While the lackeys are only discussing, the king has not yet decided.
If we have "The law is like a drawbar ...", then about the Constitution should simply be politely silent.

[asv363]

Easily:
https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/885214-7
or
http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/news/62988

[Den717]

Quote: knn54

"Announce the ENTIRE list, please" ...

Go to the website of public services and delve into the full ....... development

whether the average citizen can understand all these legal terms,

If he wishes, he can. But there is no other way. How can you make a decision if you do not understand what you are being asked about? And in order to understand (in the absence of a specialized education), it is necessary to read the reviews of experts around incomprehensible positions. Not in the smoking room of the RMC (for example), but in experienced lawyers. In principle, these are the risks of democratic institutions that the decision is not trusted in all knowledgeable people. But if the source of power is the people, then it is up to him (i.e., to us) to decide. I think that voting will be a list. If there were electronic voting, then it would be possible to split the voting at least literally. And since it is manual, it will have to be decided by the general balance of changes - either it will be positive or not.

[Thrifty]

The amendment from my good friend that the deputies of the State Duma can be elected for no more than one term did not enter close to this list either. And at the local level, no more than two terms in general! !! And, they need to reduce their salaries by 45 percent, or freeze at least for 1 calendar year!

[NordUral]

Voted for clause 2, although clause 3 zeroed everything.

[Pastor]

The meaning is simple: under the guise of caring for citizens, drag what the authorities need. However, there is no detailed, official interpretation of the amendments, nor is there a clear discussion of them on federal channels. But I would like that every day one or more amendments will be examined by lawyers, legal scholars, proceduralists and explain their essence to ordinary citizens. This is a statement and should not be in a hurry.

[Sky strike fighter]

The fact of the matter is that it is the New Constitution and they vote for the package, they vote for the New Constitution, and not for individual amendments, which are many. Amendments to the Constitution of 1993 were introduced earlier, but this did not require a popular vote. The last time this was popular the vote was in 1993 when they adopted the New Constitution on December 12, 1993. So it will be a vote for the New Basic Law of the country of the sample on April 22, 2020. For the new status quo.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Amendments to the 1993 Constitution and earlier were made,

To the constitution still no unconstitutional amendments were made. This is the first case.

Article 19. All are equal before the law and the court.
1. All equal before the law and the court.
2. The state guarantees the equality of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and position, place of residence, religion, beliefs, affiliation with public associations, as well as other circumstances. Any form of restriction of citizens' rights on the grounds of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited.

What about immunity for Mr. Pu? He is not a man? Elf however? Or, everything is simpler, not a citizen but a cosmopolitan rootless?

[bessmertniy]

Expertise is needed - whether the proposed amendments will be able to work with us or whether they will be in vain in the Constitution only occupying a place and will not work.

[Svarog]

Quote: bessmertniy

Expertise is needed - whether the proposed amendments will be able to work with us or whether they will be in vain in the Constitution only occupying a place and will not work.

Well, with regard to zeroing or life-long rule, this amendment will certainly work .. but in fact you are right .. the previous Constitution was not respected .. this one will not be ..

[Victor N]

How many experts! Yes, without education and licenses!

[Campanella]

The constitution works, only always in the direction of power, and when it comes to the people, then there is an imperfection of the legislative framework and a similar problem. Regarding the rich, including the shining, everything works clearly both for the court and law enforcement agencies. Read the pre-revolutionary story and everything will fall into place. The capitalists and world-eaters are in power in the country and they will never give it up just like that. Putin understands that if he leaves, his former party members will surrender all his skeletons, and apparently there are quite a few skeletons.

[Sky strike fighter]

The examination was already on the conformity of the amendments to the laws of the Russian Federation. The constitutional court approved them, the voting date was set. The case is only for the people's approval of these amendments.

[Revival]

The Constitutional Court did not check, but only nullified itself to the baseboard.
What is this wording: a special character regarding the form of voting that is proposed.
The law does not provide for such a vote, but other forms are strictly provided, for example, a referendum.
The decrypted words of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation: yes, voting is not according to the law, but it is necessary, please treat with understanding.
It’s about how, in a court verdict, to write that you are being illegally imprisoned, but understand this is necessary today ...

[YOUR]

This was spoken about. Within literally XNUMX hours, everything passed and the law and consideration by the constitutional court and the adoption of a decision by the Duma. The Moscow City Duma was outraged by the Communists, what to do if we had no time to study.
And now, think, Vanya Pupkin came to vote, they sent him a ballot, go home, and he didn’t read these amendments, he only heard about them. Something about zeroing, about God, and basically everything. And so 90% of the population. It never occurred to anyone in the media to organize a study of these amendments, with specific explanations it was like this, they did it like that and why. This will never happen because it is fraught.

[Revival]

Rather, it occurred to me not to organize

[YOUR]

Exactly. Why do they suddenly understand something else.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Pastor

The meaning is simple: under the guise of caring for citizens, drag what the authorities need. However, there is no detailed, official interpretation of the amendments, nor is there a clear discussion of them on federal channels. But I would like that every day one or more amendments will be examined by lawyers, legal scholars, proceduralists and explain their essence to ordinary citizens. This is a statement and should not be in a hurry.

So everything has already been taken apart. Moreover, the Constitutional Court has already carefully examined it. And having decided it, he decided (source tjournal.ru): the Constitutional Court adopted a decision on a simplified procedure that is not in the law on its activities or in new amendments to the Constitution: “Without resorting to procedures preliminary examination of the appeal by the judge, Appointment of Judge Rapporteur, holding a hearing and pronouncing a decision"...
COP confirms "special legal nature»The upcoming nationwide vote.

Well, what is incomprehensible to anyone? After all, the Russian language for the slow-witted said that nature is special! Well, it is clear that a feature of this nature is directly related to the feature of Mr. Putin himself.
With him, much has already become special (interfax.ru source):
Moscow. March 17. INTERFAX.RU - The Constitutional Court refused to name the number of votes of judges for and against the conclusion that the recently adopted amendments to the Basic Law are consistent with the Constitution in terms of their content and the adoption procedure.
The court press service referred to the secret of the deliberation room.
In particular, in its conclusion, the COP indicated what is his definition 1998 that Boris Yeltsin after the adoption of the new Constitution in 1993 year cannot hold office for more than two terms, cannot be an objection to the amendment under consideration.

PS And everything else is special, Mr. Putin will redo it already during the further presidency.

[bessmertniy]

I feel sorry for him! All rows, but rows! Rows, yes, rows! Rows, yes, rows! And the galley seems to be marking time in one place and cannot swim to the shore.

[Rjkley]

So how many anchors !!! Right now the amendments will be taken, you see, and the anchor will be removed, then "hold me seven" !!! Only it is hard to believe, from the word at all ...

[Evgeny Suslin]

I agree with the author of the article. A lot of amendments can be made by federal laws. Amendments to the Constitution should be no more than 10-15, the rest is federal locks.

[Freeman]

Quote: Eugene Suslin

I agree with the author of the article. A lot of amendments can be made by federal laws. Amendments to the Constitution should be no more than 10-15, the rest is federal locks.

Moreover, many of the amendments (dual citizenship, marriage of men and women, indexation of pensions, etc.) are already spelled out in federal laws.

[askort154]

Evgeny Suslin.. Amendments to the Constitution should be no more than 10-15, the rest is federal locks.

I would add more. Why such a rush! Separate election for amendments.
This could be timed to coincide with other elections (to the Duma, or Local), with added blyutenem. Until 2024, it is still far. And so - a lot of money down the drain!

[Million]

If it was somehow possible to control the process of counting votes, then the 2nd point of the survey would be the most correct.
And so deceive in any case!

[Pushkowed]

A fly in the ointment spoils a barrel of honey. If at least one amendment does not suit you, then it means a negative verdict for the entire package.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Pushkowed

A fly in the ointment spoils a barrel of honey. If at least one amendment does not suit you, then it means a negative verdict for the entire package.

But I don’t understand why the amendments should be put to the vote as a package? What is the problem of getting the will of the people separately for each item? Then it will become clear what people accept and what not. Then these same amendments will be truly popular. Otherwise, all these changes are pure profanity.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

You can not vote at all, conceptually I see no point. The Politburo made a decision and the party congress approved. Nobody proposed a constitutional referendum. By the way, the previous amendments to the Constitution of 2010 (when the constitution made a 6-year term of office of the president instead of a 4-year one) - and were adopted, without any "voting" there.

[Sky strike fighter]

Unofficially, this will be the Constitutional Referendum under the guise of a popular vote as it was on December 12, 1993.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

As for the referendum, then, unlike voting, here all procedures are established by the relevant federal constitutional law. The decision taken at the referendum is legally binding and it shall be deemed valid only if more than half of the participants included in the lists participated in the voting. Voting results, in contrast to the referendum, are advisory in nature.

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

You can not vote at all, conceptually I do not see the point. The Politburo made a decision

So nishtyaks are waiting for us in the future are difficult, and therefore they want every hand to put this to it. For or against it does not matter ...

[Dante Alighieri]

Aristarchus, good day You are absolutely right - from the point of view of law, everything is exactly as you described. But the essence of the vote (plebiscite, expression of will or whatever else they tried to name it) is not the point. The bottom line is that it should give all that is happening a certain flair of legality and legitimacy. Like, all this legislative bacchanalia is not their own initiative, but the will of the masses, which they, as people's representatives, voiced and which the people supported. So that the next time you or I said something in an anti-government vein, an Ancient appeared and reminded that 99,99% of those who voted chose the guarantor as saying that they were 3,5 crippled.

[Foul skeptic]

The amendments were made competently in the sense that they introduced several "markers" to each of which a certain group of people will react. An example of this is even the discussion here on the website, in all topics about the upcoming referendum, discussed at most five "innovations". The rest of the townsfolk are not interested. I suppose that was the goal of the organizers. And they, judging by what I see, have achieved it.

[Whisper]

No, gays and lesbians were thrown hard!

[bessmertniy]

And nudists were also offended for their bare truth!

[Foul skeptic]

Here is an example of triggering one of these "markers".

[astepanov]

Quote: Sheptun

No, gays and lesbians were thrown hard!

... threw everyone. Equality, sir!

[brat07]

Quote: Sheptun

No, gays and lesbians were thrown hard!

There are amendments, and there are also "amendments".
Vote? I will be against it.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Sorry for the sacrilege, and God will come to vote ???

[bessmertniy]

God is not a citizen of Russia, and for this reason he will be denied the newsletter. So let him sit at home and not interfere in earthly affairs.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

Sorry for the sacrilege, and God will come to vote ???

When we vote for amendments to the Bible, then it will definitely come

[dauria]

and God will come to vote ???

It would be nice to come and say - "Lord, there is hell, remember this." And the world would not need any constitutions, amendments, parties and presidents.
It is only a pity that the world is simpler and does well without God.

[reservist]

it’s not yet come to the amendments to the Bible ...

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Not at once.
And without amendments, the constitution was not particularly recalled.
The phrase I have constitutional rights - causes homeric laughter.

[Ryaruav]

the majority will still vote for Putin’s amendments, people have been brainwashed qualitatively

[bessmertniy]

Most can be frightened of the coronavirus and not come to the polls.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: bessmertniy

Most can be frightened of the coronavirus and not come to the polls.

This does not play any role, since the result depends on what the simple MOST VISITORS VOTE will vote for.

[Sky strike fighter]

In order to carry out reforms in the country and get off the oil needle, you must first reboot the power system by adopting a new power system, which is prescribed in the New Constitution on April 22, 2020.

[Dante Alighieri]

Are you not watching the news? The whole government got off the oil needle a year ago, it’s not clear why only the ruble fluctuates after the value of the Brent brand, apparently the government is somehow different or not this country
https://iz.ru/817726/video/siluanov-otcenil-zavisimost-rublia-ot-tcen-na-neft

[Krasnoyarsk]

If a decision is made to vote on each item of amendments individually, then we can conclude that the government is really interested in the opinion of the people. And it gives the people the opportunity to truly take part in government.
But I am sure there will be "batch voting". hence the conclusion - the authorities started all this fuss in order to carry out one amendment, everything else is a cover and the opinion of the people does not interest anyone.

[Sky strike fighter]

Do you know how many amendments there are? And if you vote for each amendment individually, then these votes will take years. If you were not interested in the opinion of the people, you would not have put this issue to the popular vote.

[reservist]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

And if you vote for each amendment individually, then these votes will take years.

Then you can divide the amendments into two categories:
- zeroing of terms
- and others

[Sky strike fighter]

These are fantasies. A voting date has already been set.

[reservist]

Well, yes, who cares what the lackeys think there ...

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Do you know how many amendments there are? And if you vote for each amendment individually, then these votes will take years. If you were not interested in the opinion of the people, you would not have put this issue to the popular vote.

If they really were interested in the opinion of the people, they would conduct a legal procedure - a referendum. And so, they organize the circus. Where even observers are not provided.
Well, and who will control what kind of opinion the people expressed there? And what does all this have to do with the normal statutory voting procedure?
Clowns will amuse, the NECESSARY opinion of the "people" will be voiced.
Even the forms of the final protocols simplify, so that it would not be possible to find out how many and where were the ballots, how many were not valid, and even how many voted ahead of schedule.
And you are seriously saying that this is the way, according to such a procedure, and you need to ask the opinion of the people ?! Yah.

[Sky strike fighter]

But what do you dislike? A referendum or a popular vote is essentially the same thing. Just bureaucratic procedures are a little different. But the essence is the same. Or are you afraid that you will be deceived?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

But what do you dislike? A referendum or a popular vote is essentially the same thing. Just bureaucratic procedures are a little different. But the essence is the same. Or are you afraid that you will be deceived?

I'm afraid? Why should I be afraid if I'm just sure of it.

Just bureaucratic procedures are a little different

Well, yes, they are so slightly different that even no one will be watching the circus "voting".
So who is ultimately afraid of the results of popular opinion? Is it not the one who is even afraid to admit observers and changes the protocols for just this one time?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Do you know how many amendments there are?

Thirty four. Another thing is that some amendments are so blurry that it is not clear, in general, why they are written. In addition to some, for example, that the prosecutor general may be removed from office by the president. Or the immunity of the president after the resignation. And what if it turns out that he part of the diamond fund stole home?

[Fikys]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And what if it turns out that he part of the diamond fund stole home?

Then they will make another change to the constitution, abrogating the current change, and then the whole business :) Well, for such a change everyone will vote unanimously :))

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Fikys

Then they will make another change to the constitution, abrogating the current change, and then the whole business :) Well, for such a change everyone will vote unanimously :))

Only the next president will also want his share of the fund, and will not accept any changes.

[Fikys]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Only the next president will also want his share of the fund, and will not accept any changes.

Uh, no! How it will be! And then no funds at all will be enough!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Fikys

How it will be!

With such an amendment, all presidents will not be calmer. And all the charges can be attributed to the machinations of enemies, the fifth column, and the deceased mother-in-law.

[Revival]

Then you have a question.
Do you love your children, mom and Hitler? Answer only yes or no.
Here it is exactly the same ..

[Fikys]

Quote: Revival

Do you love your children, mom and Hitler? Answer only yes or no.

Yes! But Hitler is much less;)))

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Do you know how many amendments there are? And if you vote for each amendment individually, then these votes will take years.

Sheet one. On it amendments, against each two "cells" for and against. What years?

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

opinion of the people, then this issue would not be put to the popular vote.

Dust in the eyes. If a packet - dust in the eyes.

[ximkim]

It is not a matter of amendments, voting, but of accepting that the guys behind the wall decided to change their shoes (on the go) the Kremlin and the White House bathe in lies, and the most important thing for these houses is their own interests.

[Roman12345678]

Batch (for all amendments immediately or against them) - 15 (20.55%)

20% against voting on points .. I note - it’s not about canceling the amendments .. but only that they are adopted separately ..
What kind of porridge do these people have in their head ??)
In addition to saving on ink when putting ticks, this can no longer be explained as sound ..

[Fikys]

Quote: Roman12345678

What kind of porridge do these people have in their head ??)

And what a mess in your head ?! Although, what am I talking about, porridge is clearly not enough for you, you need everything, and more, more! And preferably, for free :)))

[Roman12345678]

Stop whining, write on the topic ..))

[Fikys]

Whining is your specialty, and I am quite happy with my life;) And on the subject, everything is very simple - for me this is your dollar rate, from the word "absolutely" :))) And whiners, like you, too! :))

[RUS96]

Quote: Svarog

And also, we will soon see that the opinion of the people does not interest anyone and the decision has already been made ..

We have power is taken not then to give it then. Especially in some elections there

[sanik2020]

The Constitution is the agreement of the people on the creation of the state and the principles of mutual coexistence.
If someone takes for the people the constitution itself and changes to it, imposes everything on the people in a bundle, without the right to choose, then he believes that there is no one to call the people.

[Sky strike fighter]

So the people will decide everything. Or they will accept or reject the Constitution by means of a nationwide expression of will. The people will either accept the New Constitution or not. All will decide the vote.

[UserGun]

That’s the whole thing. If you don’t vote for this senseless set, it means all this camarilla lasting 20 years, and therefore striving to zero out the appointed tsar, who fully proved that he, to the simple aspirations of most of the people, would just put a big bunch. Whether it's a big kid to play with slingshots)))

[ELEZKIY]

horseradish radish is not sweeter. our government defends the interests of the oligarchy. I personally am looking for what my great-grandfather dug after the civil. after the five years of my life were brazenly ripped off by the "pension" reform, there is simply nothing to talk with these outlaws, damn me by the first woman-cosmonaut ...

[Dym71]

Question: can an average citizen who cannot offer to study each of the amendments, and immediately - “in the forehead” - answer either “yes” or “no” to understand all these legal terms? It turns out that initially a person must decide whether he supports all the amendments or does not support all of them. No other option is provided. If, for example, a person supports 10 amendments, but does not support ten others, then how to vote “for” or “against”?

To date, any initiative of our Darkest will be supported by an absolute, majority vote, for

Crossing horses do not change

and it’s a fact that you don’t spend this vote, at least in a package, at least for each amendment separately, the only thing that starts to bother is the very long crossing, which has no end in sight.

[Roman12345678]

the only thing that starts to bother is the very long crossing, which does not see the end and edge.

These horses were pulled into such a swamp that they themselves have to be dragged ..
And if you want to get out of this swamp, there is only one way out - to shoot the horses ..

[Fikys]

Quote: Roman12345678

there is only one way out - to shoot the horses ..

And in my opinion, you'd better "shoot" yourself. And then the horses will calmly get out of the "swamp" you have invented.

[Roman12345678]

Judging by the nonsense that you’re carrying here, you won’t get anywhere ..))

[Fikys]

But I didn’t get anywhere to get out;) It's you who are in debt, like in silks, and you are trying to look for all the guilty;) Look for them in the mirror, sick ...

[depressant]

Exactly as the author of the article says.
Here I have the full text of the amendments of March 3. The text is huge and indigestible. Example.

Amendment 2.
Article 1 as follows:
1) supplement with a new paragraph 1 of the following content:
"1) Article 67 shall be supplemented with part 2 'as follows:
"2 '. The Russian Federation ensures the protection of its sovereignty, etc ...

Will such an ordinary, quite normal, sane person begin to read? So what is this! There is one that requires a direct appeal to an article of the Constitution for a thorough study. Otherwise, the amendment cannot be understood. And the final number of such amendments is huge! It’s not like an ordinary person, a savvy lawyer will break his head there, having spent a lot of time studying the entire array of amendments.
Hence my opinion. What it is proposed to vote for is not an amendment. A carefully shoveled, plowed Constitution is a coup d'état impudently imposed on a population that is unable to appreciate the bondage it is being driven into. I will never believe that such amendments will open the way for us to a brighter future. Because the main amendments have not been made.

[Viktor Sergeev]

I am a lawyer and not even going to read. The constitution is not a dogma, but a set of unnecessary norms. What matters is not the Constitution itself, but the decisions of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation. Even the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation cannot actually refer to the Constitution, justifying not the application of any normative act of a lower level.
There are two goals: a second term and cut down the ECHR, which loves to protect gays, etc.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

knock out the ECHR, which loves to protect gays, etc.

Does leaving the Council of Europe really not solve this problem?

[Fikys]

Quote: depressant

it’s a coup d'etat, impudently imposed on a population that is not able to assess what bondage it is being driven into.

Please provide an example of an amendment that drives people into bondage.

[anthropologist]

Tell me, the Guru of this forum, why are these amendments muddled right now?

[Sky strike fighter]

The system of power in the country will be rebooted against the backdrop of an imminent total crisis of capitalism in the United States. Do you not see what is happening in the world? Everyone is in a hurry to prepare for new realities in the world. Big changes are coming. The financial bubbles are starting to burst and it will be impossible to live in the old way, that is, they reboot the system in advance.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Personally, I vote against it because of the wholesale. I won’t even read until the moment of adoption, I’m not a ram to vote for turning the Constitution into a collection of jokes. Here individually, please. Make 200 unnecessary amendments for the sake of one, well done, well done. Interestingly, did Tereshkova read what she suggested? New Bible of EP: at first there was an amendment to nullify the deadlines, then EP brought in a bunch of useless rubbish and created what it created, and then once and it seemed like they accidentally offered a trifle at the last moment.

[Sky strike fighter]

Personally, I will vote FOR. The change is ripe. You need to take this seriously and responsibly, and not stomp your legs and say I won’t, I don’t want to, like little ones. Otherwise, you can turn into Ukraine with its eternal mess.

[Roman12345678]

We need to seriously and responsibly approach the farce ..))

[Campanella]

This is not even a farce, but a betrayal and deception of the people! I would say high treason. But alas, the people are not able to change this power, it is simply beyond our control. There is a constitutional court contrary to the Constitution said that everything is ok. So, what is next? God's judgment?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

It is necessary to take this seriously and responsibly, and not stomp my legs and say I won’t, I don’t want to, like little ones.

And "screeching and stamping" accompany any significant events at all times. This is human nature in all its diversity. As a rule, "screeching-stompers", not representing anything of themselves, also do not affect anything, only creating a noise design.

[Varyag71]

Twenty years have passed and nothing has changed. And then they decided to do everything for the good?

[Sky strike fighter]

What country do you live in if nothing has changed in your 20 years? Obviously not in Russia.

[Varyag71]

Voronezh. And what has changed? Hordes of Uzbeks and Tajiks in the streets? Temples on every corner? Destroyed production? Cut down forests? Credit cars and apartments? A bunch of chop Sloppy cops?

[Dante Alighieri]

You accurately described Voronezh? By description reminds Barnaul

[Varyag71]

I was born in Barnaul)

[sanik2020]

So the people will decide everything. Or they will accept or reject the Constitution by means of a nationwide expression of will. The people will either accept the New Constitution or not. The vote will decide everything

So the devil is in the details, which the people have not been given to decide, or all or nothing.
And where is the choice between these extremes?

[Sky strike fighter]

How do you usually vote for the Constitution? Take it and take it as an example on December 12, 1993. Either yes or no. You might think that in 1993 people were given the opportunity to decide the details. What was the choice between the extremes in 1993? THE USSR.

[Roman12345678]

You might think that in 1993 the people were given the opportunity to decide the details. What was the choice between the extremes in 1993?

And what it led to ..

[Conell f]

The so-called "Brezhnev" constitution is still considered the BEST of the world powers for today! So why "reinvent the wheel"?!?! It contains all the "amendments" for which you have to vote.

[rocket757]

From a change ... sewed on soap, nothing changes, in principle.

[16112014nk]

Everything has already been (stolen) decided for us. But "the people want to figure it out."

[GRIGORIY76]

You are all writing it wrong. This law is not amended, but on the amendment. ABOUT ONE. And this is illegal; you cannot drag different things with one amendment. Although if you make the highest power (people) an accomplice ....

[g1washntwn]

This survey is needed in the humor section. Poll options read correctly like this:
1. Did not read
2. I read and understood
3. "I haven't read it, but I didn't like it"

The latter, if someone does not understand, is almost a literal quote from Jen Psaki.

[Amateur]

On March 18, here at VO, we discussed this issue. The amendments themselves and their detailed analysis are at https://fozo.info/239-polnyj-spisok-popravok-v-konstituciju-2020.html
I wonder how many VO commentators have read these amendments since the 18th, in which

There is NO "red thread": "dual citizenship", "accounts in foreign banks", "priority of other people's laws over Russian", changes in the borders of the Russian Federation "

.
The only amendment against which the majority of WO employees are to nullify the deadlines. I AM ALSO AGAINST RESET!
But all the other amendments are normal. Before minus and / or be indignant, let's still read what is at stake
Are we not trying to "throw out the baby with water" because of "zeroing"?

[Duck]

Good afternoon. Let's read:
- is it really written about "NO" to dual citizenship and bank accounts, and who will check it and how, or will we take it for granted?
- about "NO" to the priority of other people's laws - where is it written?
- about "NO" changing the boundaries - where is it written?

[Amateur]

about "NO" to the priority of other people's laws - where is it written?

St. 79.

Decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation
Federation in their interpretation, contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, not enforceable in the Russian Federation.

about "NO" change of boundaries - where is it written?

Part 2-1 is added to the same article:
2-1: The Russian Federation protects its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states), directed to the alienation of parts of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions are not allowed.;

Respected! Maybe you read the rest yourself?

[Duck]

Art. 15
"The generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes rules other than those prescribed by law, then the rules of the international treaty apply."
Concerning Article 67
"(with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states)", i.e. We cannot give anything to Zimbabwe, but with neighboring states, please, we can come to an agreement. List of neighboring states to suggest? Why was this text included?

[Duck]

By the way, about dual citizenship and bank accounts - all this is already in the Federal Law of 08.05.1994 No. 3-FZ. But, if certain individuals do not now comply with the requirements of federal law, then what will hinder them from observing the requirements of the Constitution later on - is it really conscience?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: And

By the way, about dual citizenship and bank accounts - all this is already in the Federal Law of 08.05.1994 No. 3-FZ.

3. A member of the Council of the Federation, a deputy of the State Duma may not be a citizen of the Russian Federation who has the citizenship of a foreign state or a residence permit or other document confirming the right to permanent residence of a citizen of the Russian Federation in the territory of a foreign state.
(the third part is introduced by the Federal law from 25.07.2006 N 128-ФЗ)

Hmm ... Again, someone, somewhere, something ...

[Campanella]

The amendments are mostly stupid and just a smokescreen. Take, for example, linking the minimum wage to the pension. The minimum wage is regulated by the government and the president. So tomorrow, let's say, as a president, following the crisis, I'll take it and make it at 3 rubles, what will happen with pensions? At the same time, I am a ghost of you citizens to "understanding" And so on all practically all amendments there are contradictions and ambiguity and references to laws, and laws are written clearly by someone, not by the people, that's for sure.

[China]

Cancel the vote!
With the money saved, build an aircraft carrier and call it "Constitution". To raise the flag, invite all the officials on board and flood to hell ...

[Leshy1975]

Quote: China

Cancel the vote!
With the money saved, build an aircraft carrier and call it "Constitution". To raise the flag, invite all the officials on board and flood to hell ...

I vote FOR, with both hands. What’s there with my hands, for the sake of this I will fall on my back and vote with two more legs!

PS Very, very thumbs up suggested.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Leshy1975

I vote FOR, with both hands. What’s there with my hands, for the sake of this I will fall on my back and vote with two more legs!

PS Very, very thumbs up suggested.

A wretched sight.

[Svarog]

Quote: China

Cancel the vote!
With the money saved, build an aircraft carrier and call it "Constitution". To raise the flag, invite all the officials on board and flood to hell ...

Best comment of the year!

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Svarog

With the money saved, build an aircraft carrier and call it "Constitution". To raise the flag, invite all the officials on board and flood the hell

Officials, fuck them. But even a virtual aircraft carrier with the FLAG OF RUSSIA - to flood to hell? You and "Leshim1975" hate the authorities eclipsed the mind.
China, aka McDonnell Douglas, aka Smart, a fat Troll. Do you even understand the meaning of his vomit.

Best comment of the year! laughing laughing laughing good wassat

This is only if you are in the same team with him.

[Svarog]

Quote: Vladimir_6

Officials, to hell with them.

That's it .. the thief on the thief drives the thief ..

Quote: Vladimir_6

You and "Leshim1975" hate the authorities eclipsed the mind.

You’re right .. already so insolent these .. that sometimes different thoughts arise .. That’s never a supporter of Navalny, but sometimes you catch yourself thinking .. Yes, even though he .. but not those who are now .. How much is already possible for this watch a circus? Yes, damn it, I wouldn’t mind at all .. hell with them, steal, nepotism, don’t give a damn ... let’s governing for life .. but if I saw that they were doing something for the state, if they saw that they don’t talk about the people forget .. But there is none .. No where, not in one sphere of existence have not succeeded .. everyone only rowing for themselves ..

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Svarog

You’re right .. already so insolent these .. that sometimes different thoughts arise .. That’s never a supporter of Navalny, but sometimes you catch yourself thinking .. Yes, even though he .. but not those who are now .. How much is already possible for this watch a circus? Yes, damn it, I wouldn’t mind at all .. hell with them, steal, nepotism, don’t give a damn ... let’s governing for life .. but if I saw that they were doing something for the state, if they saw that they don’t talk about the people forget .. But there is none .. No where, not in one sphere of existence have not succeeded .. everyone only rowing for themselves ..

The namesake, we are already mature men. Each has its own worldview. I had no purpose to change yours. Time will pass and everything will fall into place.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ShkolaFaberlic/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=4
Do not be lazy, browse.
From the height of my 66 years, let me give you advice. Do not lose heart, and do not lose heart.

[Svarog]

Quote: Vladimir_6

From the height of my 66 years, let me give you advice. Do not lose heart, and do not lose heart.

Thanks for the advice, I respect the age .. nevertheless I will remain with my vision ..

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Vladimir_6

From the height of my 66 years, let me give you advice. Do not lose heart, and do not lose heart.

Thanks for the advice, I respect the age .. nevertheless I will remain with my vision ..

This is normal. We are not zombies.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Vladimir_6

You and "Leshim1975" hate the authorities eclipsed the mind.

What does hate have to do with it? Look at the results of today's test vote. Only 11 with a small% are satisfied with the voting by the package of amendments. But, it will be announced in the end (I'm sure) that the vast majority supported the amendments. VTsIOM predicts 64%, even probably draw more. So what to do with them? If we (the majority) in our country turn out to be nobody, and the false minority has seized power. And what China wrote, but essentially that’s how it all ends. Well, not so pompous, of course, but more mundane and bloody-dirty, but the essence is generally true. The very same power has led society to the point that it would be despised and so it is. What they deserve, they will receive, and there is nothing to be surprised at. And in the history of Russia, a similar thing has already happened.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Leshy1975

What does hate have to do with it? Look at the results of today's test vote. Only 11 with a small% are satisfied with the voting by the package of amendments.

This is a survey on the VO website. If you conduct a survey among the builders of the Crimean bridge, the result will be completely different.

If we (the majority) in our country are no one

I'm just sure that the majority will still take part and vote "For".
Come out and you, with your opinion. First-hand make sure the number of voters on your site.

And what China wrote

If "China" proposed to gather officials and drown, it could be taken as a joke.
But he suggested that the FLAG OF RUSSIA "flood to hell."
You just did not carefully read his post.

The very same power has led society to the point that it would be despised and so it is. What they deserve, they will receive,

Will pass the vote, take stock - discuss.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Vladimir_6

Quote: Leshy1975

What does hate have to do with it? Look at the results of today's test vote. Only 11 with a small% are satisfied with the voting by the package of amendments.

This is a survey on the VO website. If you conduct a survey among the builders of the Crimean bridge, the result will be completely different.

If we (the majority) in our country are no one

I'm just sure that the majority will still take part and vote "For".
Come out and you, with your opinion. First-hand make sure the number of voters on your site.

And what China wrote

If "China" proposed to gather officials and drown, it could be taken as a joke.
But he suggested that the FLAG OF RUSSIA "flood to hell."
You just did not carefully read his post.

The very same power has led society to the point that it would be despised and so it is. What they deserve, they will receive,

Will pass the vote, take stock - discuss.

I won’t go to this circus with voting at all. There can be no vote with this approach to organization. I'm already tired of writing on this topic. There will be NO observers. The form of the protocols is changing. All detail is removed from them. Nothing can be verified at all... I am not such a naive "young man" that I would take the word of "gentleman" Putin, and you, as his supporter, excuse me, that the elections will be fair. And all these preparations for falsification, you cannot call it any other way, is it pure coincidence? By the way, according to other independent polls, the majority is also AGAINST changing the Constitution in this way. What, other polls are all lying too? And only VTsIOM is not lying.
But about the flag of China, it was not the main thing, the main thing was about the attitude to the authorities as a whole. Why cling to the little things.

[Vladimir_6]

[quote = Leshy1975] [quote = Vladimir_6] You and "Leshim1975" hate the authorities eclipsed the mind. [/ quote]
The disadvantages you have are not from me.

[Leshy1975]

[quote = Vladimir_6] [quote = Leshy1975] [quote = Vladimir_6] For you and "Leshim1975" hatred of power has eclipsed your mind. [/ quote]
The disadvantages you have are not from me. [/ Quote]
Yes, fix with them with minuses, even if it were yours. I have enough "well-wishers" here and without you. I myself give others a minus, and the next day I give the same person a plus if I agree in opinion on another issue. Plus, minus, of course, they seem to show the sympathy and mood of the rest of the participants. But in any case, your own opinion is more important, if you are sure of it, you need to defend it, not paying attention to either + or -. Otherwise, it is no longer an opinion, if you think every time where you can get more advantages. This is already called opportunism. I don't like those.

[Vladimir_6]

[quote = Leshy1975] [quote = Vladimir_6] [quote = Leshy1975] [quote = Vladimir_6] For you and "Leshy1975", hatred of power has eclipsed your mind. [/ quote]
The disadvantages you have are not from me. [/ Quote]
Yes, fix with them with minuses, even if it were yours. I have enough "well-wishers" here and without you. I myself give others a minus, and the next day I give the same person a plus if I agree in opinion on another issue. Plus, minus, of course, they seem to show the sympathy and mood of the rest of the participants. But in any case, your own opinion is more important, if you are sure of it, you need to defend it, not paying attention to either + or -. Otherwise, it is no longer an opinion, if you think every time where you can get more advantages. This is already called opportunism. I don't like those. [/ Quote]
I agree with you, it is not worth it to focus on signs.
There are topics on which we agree.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: China

Cancel the vote!
With the money saved, build an aircraft carrier and call it "Constitution". To raise the flag, invite all the officials on board and flood to hell ...

What is the use of your proposal? Others will replace the flooded officials. Perhaps even more evil. And for the "fighters against the regime" the second will be worse than the first. (from).
There is a simpler solution: "Take the saved money and divide it!" (from).
Forum users who have old vacuum cleaners, refrigerators, televisions - buy new ones. Pay off loans and mortgages. Families with difficult children should be distinguished by psychologists.
And all will be happy.

[Roman12345678]

Where does the homeland begin?
With a spit that is launched into the people,
With Chechens dancing lezginka
At the Borovitsky gate.

Or maybe it starts
With Beslan and metro bombings
Since early elections
EdRo won again.

Where does the homeland begin?
With life-populating capitals
And with full smiles that we see
On the faces of all the first persons.

Or maybe it starts
With a salary of seven thousand rubles,
Since there are no money in the budget
On a manger and teachers.

Where does the homeland begin?
From sick kids and orphans
Which gives for treatment
Unhappy and poor people.

Or maybe it starts
Get out of those war veterans
Which century live their life
In the dugout, poor and sick.

Where does the homeland begin?
From the doctors who bought the diploma,
And from those clinics that
Waiting for money for each appointment.

Or maybe it starts
With rents that grow immensely.
And with retirees who
Pennies count and die.

Where does the homeland begin?
From the piano in the Ice Palace
With flashing lights, people dispersing
In Moscow, on the Garden Ring.

Or maybe it starts
From the pipe that pumps our gas
From Skolkovo and the Olympic Games,
What will make us "strong"?

Where does the homeland begin?
With the police and the FSB,
And hordes of migrants who
In Russian, neither “Me” nor “Be”.

Or maybe it’s starting,
With the concepts of "not caught - not a thief"?
Where is the underground infrastructure
The Attorney General himself roofs.

Where does the homeland begin?
From the picture in your primer ...
It's time to plunge into reality,
After all, the age is not the same in the yard.

Or maybe it starts
With kickbacks of budget money,
From those funds that are now billions
In offshore deposits are.

Where does the homeland begin?
With debauchery and other pleasures,
From the fact that goodness and decency
Now they cause only laughter.

Or maybe it starts
From the song that our mother sang to us?! ..
Think again, as it should,
When will you vote?

[Golovan Jack]

What a bastard

And there are alternatively gifted ones who put plusegs on this rubbish

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Golovan Jack

What a bastard

And there are alternatively gifted ones who put plusegs on this rubbish

The most amazing thing is that they, under any authority, with any Social system, will blame the authorities for all their failures and troubles. They will choose another president instead of Putin - the comments will remain the same. Only the last name will change.

[Campanella]

Strange you. The world is so arranged and there's nothing to be done. Putin pulled a blanket over himself the people reacted. Gorbachev gave the joint and it was removed, sweat Yeltsin was tired of butting the people, now Putin. But he clearly did not expect that the authorities would lead him to zugzwang. Naive guy.
My point of view is too small for this position. He would be a good NKVD leader.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Campanella

Strange you. The world is so arranged and there's nothing to be done. Putin pulled a blanket over himself the people reacted.

If you mean "forum people", then yes, I reacted. And how the people of Russia will react - the vote will show.

My point of view is too small for this position.

Sorry, this doesn’t matter to Putin.
Although my previous post is about something else. Neither president will please the losers in life.
If a person lives according to the principle: "Let all people live well, but not better than I," then all the days of his life he will curse everyone who is more successful than him.

[Campanella]

Do you believe in the objectivity of voting? With such an opaque counting system?

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Campanella

Do you believe in the objectivity of voting? With such an opaque counting system?

If the mood of the Russian society is similar to that in our forum, then we can assume that those who are "against" - will not vote at all. So those who will vote "for". So the counting will be all right.

[Campanella]

That is yes. Is this legitimacy just worth it? And who will she benefit from? This is the path to a bloody impasse. I consider lowering the turnout threshold a crime on a national scale. This is nothing more than a diminution of the role of the people, and therefore a violation of the constitution.
Even in business, there is an iron rule of 50 + 1 share.
And here they took and declared the president of the person who does not gain 50% of the vote.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Campanella

I think lowering the turnout threshold is a state-wide crime.

And what is "lowering the turnout threshold"? Were any strata of society banned from voting? Come and vote as your heart desires.

This is nothing but a diminution of the role of the people.

What kind of people? The one who will follow the voting process on TV? Active citizens will vote and a decision will be made based on the results of the vote. Not a violation of the Constitution.

[Campanella]

How simple it is for you. Mankind has come up with a quorum for nothing.
But in fact, you will later blame people who did not come to the polls for not patriotism.
In your opinion, only active people should participate, and people who disbelieve in the results of any vote are not citizens for you? Then do not be surprised at the civil war, it is your approach that gives birth to it.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Campanella

How simple it is for you. Mankind has come up with a quorum for nothing.

Of course it's simple. Do not cancel the vote because of a small group of saboteurs.

But in fact, you will later blame people who did not come to the polls for not patriotism.

I won’t. I won’t even notice them.

In your opinion, only active ones should participate ..?

Not in my opinion, but under the Constitution everyone is invited to participate. And you personally including.

and people who disbelieve in the results of any vote are not citizens for you

Only active people achieve success in everything. And for those who disbelieve there is a commandment of God - "Despondency is a sin." We must accept the opinion of the majority.

[Freeman]

By the way, here we are breaking all spears about "zeroing the deadlines."
But among the amendments there is one such:

1) article 67:
a) Part 1 read as follows:
"1. The territory of the Russian Federation includes the territories of its constituent entities, internal waters and the territorial sea, airspace above them. In the territory of the Russian Federation, federal territories may be created in accordance with federal law. The organization of public authority in the federal territories is established by the specified federal law."

Many here joked that they say "there is only serfdom left to introduce" - So this amendment can be considered from such a side.
That is, from any subject of the federation, a certain territory can be allocated and directed there ("feeding" ) a person may be appointed.
- Well, than you are not "a village with attributed (" serfs " ) souls "?!

[Campanella]

I generally question the constitutional amendments in this way.
The President, suddenly, with some fright since the New Year, began to spin the flywheel of this performance. Before that, as far as I remember, he had never mentioned the Constitution, and suddenly the time was ripe and began to change everything as concerned? The question is, what have you been doing for 20 years? He does not want to change the non-working structure of the government, the system of state administration, there are no taxes on the rich ... and the Constitution is on the road.
Somehow, it strikes his image as a thoughtful and practical politician.

[Sky strike fighter]

I generally question the constitutional amendments in this way.

You can question anything, but on April 22, the people will say their word whether you want it or not, despite all your squeals and squeals like you.

[Campanella]

I have no doubt about it)))
You screech when they mention Stalin, and when they make God out of Putin (obviously it’s not him) you don’t scream. I prefer facts, deeds to empty words.

[Tomich3]

Art. 136 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation "Amendments to Chapters 3 - 8 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation are adopted in the manner prescribed for the adoption of a federal constitutional law, and enter into force after their approval by the legislative authorities of at least two thirds of the subjects of the Russian Federation"
Art. 108 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. "A federal constitutional law is considered adopted if it is approved by a majority of at least three-quarters of the votes of the total number of members of the Federation Council and at least two-thirds of votes of the total number of deputies of the State Duma. The adopted federal constitutional law is subject to signing within fourteen days. President of the Russian Federation and promulgation. "
Currently, all amendments are approved by the Federation Council and legislative bodies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation. That is, all amendments ALREADY entered into force.
No popular vote by these articles of the Constitution is not provided.
Enough to hang noodles on the ears of people.

[Campanella]

And who wrote the laws? And who appointed the judges? References to the Constitution are very important in this part, while others are violated. How many Putin has left the people the opportunity to rule the country? Where are the referendums? Where are the normal parties? Where are the people elected? Usurper! Under the guise of protection from an external threat, he gathered all the power to himself, what’s the constitution? Monarchy. And were these people communists? Adherents and hypocrites.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Campanella

How many Putin has left the people the opportunity to rule the country?

I liked the word "left" here. This "left" suggests that at some point there were much more opportunities of this kind than now.

Tell me - and when exactly, in your opinion, did the people of the Russian Federation (RSFSR, RI) generally have real the opportunity to rule the country?

[Campanella]

In the Union, democracy worked, specific but it worked.
And then what is your strange approach? If it was not, then it should not be?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Campanella

If it was not, then it should not be?

Read the question carefully, please:

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Campanella

How many Putin left the people of opportunity to rule the country?

The word "left" suggests that at some point there were significantly more opportunities than now

So when was this?

"Soviet democracy" - not to offer, I am a 62nd model and it, democracy, I saw in action.

[Campanella]

I also saw the Soviet in action. And at the grassroots level, it was definitely democracy.
Being categorical in such things is stupid. Democracy is a theoretical concept and in reality it does not exist anywhere and cannot exist. Here are the different performances, please. And in the USSR it was realized at certain periods best.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Campanella

I also saw the Soviet in action

A lot of text is not the case. Answer the question, or are you unable to answer for your own words?

Quote: Campanella

How many Putin has left the people the opportunity to rule the country?

So which of the "opportunities to rule the country" that you had, did this ugly beggar take away from you? We are waiting, with a list, please

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Golovan Jack

which of the "opportunities you have to rule the country"

Quote: Golovan Jack

Waiting, sir, a list,

He took the presidential seat and does not give
The State Duma did not disperse to make way for a citizen from the City of the Sun
In the Senate, he set Valentine
Local authorities left at the mercy of local
Gazprom and Rosneft have one classmate
A taxi driver named Campanela That poor fellow suffers

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ruslan67

Ruslan67

Preved

Shhh ... scare

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Golovan Jack

scare

Hook up! Sickle ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ruslan67

Hook up!

Damn ...

[Campanella]

Ruslan67, often look in the mirror and troll yourself as you please. I understand you have nothing to say. So go ahead and talk!

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Campanella

I understand you have nothing to say.

There is but the filter doesn’t pass And it’s useless for people like you How much can you rave about elections? The country should be ruled by pros and not by those who speak beautifully before the election. Any philologist who lectures for 20 years at a university will beat anyone with rhetoric. What does he understand in production?
The quality of those who are in positions is now ready to speak by name

[Campanella]

As for the pros, I agree. Professionals should preferably govern the state, but no less important, they should be people with state thinking.
Children of Putin’s friends, did I hear you correctly? And all of Putin’s friends turned out to be surprisingly big pros and successful businessmen?
And you have a question, who in Putin's government was engaged in production?

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Campanella

Children of Putin’s friends, did I hear you correctly?

No

Quote: Campanella

The quality of those who are in positions is now ready to speak by name

I also have a lot of questions about the composition. But replacing Matvienko with Sable will not suit me in any way

[Campanella]

And what kind of Sable did I drown? Putin is also not a pro and that rhetorician.
But he destroyed the alternative and Navalny with Sable is his offspring. Burning out constructive opposition around him, he gives rise to the opposition whose main task is to overthrow the existing government.
I don't like either Navalny or Putin. But the people simply do not have other alternatives. The people are tired of this power, of endless reforms with a negative result, and it turns out that Putin himself is pushing the people into the hands of the opposition. Do you know why? Because the president himself perfectly understands that he is an illegitimate guarantor of the Yeltsin clan, with many skeletons they will ask for. Therefore, he will wait until they take him on a gun carriage or just endured the people will end earlier.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Campanella

Burning constructive opposition around you

I’ll upset you. The constructive opposition is in office and it’s warm there. And the rest are those who were left without a feeding trough for unsuitability This is really the problem

[Campanella]

Loyalty, not professional suitability, is the main quality of the opposition you have indicated. Structural cleaned up a long time. There even Lukin sold out. In addition to the liberal agenda, no construct.
So far, Mr. Putin has the market decides everything, but this is a dummy for the people. In life, it is not the market that drives, but the people of its clan. So vote do not vote ... anyway, you get Putin. Tin is shorter.

[Campanella]

You are 62 years old, what don’t you remember?
Before Yeltsin was shot
democracy, deputies were elected by people, then its gentlemen Yeltsinists turned.
What is now called the election of a panopticon.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Campanella

What is now called a panopticon election

Not ... the panopticon was then in the Supreme Council

Okay, the answer is clear. You yearn for a circus on the TV, there was House-zero, so to speak. Democratically chosen

[Campanella]

I am not longing, but the first convocations were really chosen by the people.
A circus is a struggle between branches of power.
In the USA, too, a circus; in Germany, a circus, you also do not like them?
By the way, at Soviet and other meetings there was always enough "tsyrka", you see this property of democracy.
However, if you like the legal cemetery no one objects, live in this stability)))

[Yarik]

They, in principle, DO NOT HAVE the right to do what they do with these "amendments". There is a regulation on amending the Constitution and they do not fulfill it !!! And for these acts there is an article of the Criminal Code.

[savage1976]

And what rules do they violate?

[Campanella]

Yes, they, in principle, and the people did not choose. They have dirtied the head of the people, rigged the elections and now, on behalf of the people, the people themselves are spread rot.
You won’t check the bulletins, they immediately destroy them, there is no transparency of elections ... The Middle Ages of the 21st century.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

The article is crafty and clearly pushes the reader to the second or third answer. An unknown author is explicitly manipulating. What is the slyness of the article? UNCONDITIONLY, it is better to hold not a vote, but a referendum. And not in general, but - for EVERY QUESTION after the LONG-TERM work of the preparatory commission, LONG discussion by the population with additions and amendments and LONG-TERM final work of the preparatory commission. WHY did the author of the article say nothing about THIS? The answer is obvious: you need a definite answer that excludes the first option.

A negative factor AGAINST the first option is a batch vote with several dubious amendments. Factors FOR: the exclusion of lengthy discussion and preparation (a factor in saving time), a large, overwhelming number of positive and very necessary amendments to Russians.

The BASIC contradiction because of which the whole fuss: is it allowed to allow specific Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin to continue to lead the Russian state by slightly tweaking the Constitution? Does he deserve this? Would it be better for all Russians if someone else found themselves at the helm?

EVERYONE must answer these questions MYSELF!

[Campanella]

It's funny to listen to you. Pity you see them. This is the basic law of the country and treating it like that is simply criminal. Well, if this is a piece of paper, then you can accept everything with a choch. But as far as I remember, amendments should be discussed for at least a year at all levels. So the violation is on the face. Putin is not so great as to allow him such outrage and to humiliate statehood. If he doesn’t care about Russia, then the people are definitely not.

[savage1976]

http://Конституция2020.рф старая, новая редакции и все поправки.

[cosmonaut]

bourgeois authorities adopt laws that are convenient for themselves. In the 76th year there was no Internet, but everyone was acquainted with the project. Even as a kid I read the draft constitution in the newspaper.

[AleBors]

So, in fact, all the noise around the coronavirus, mass insanity on the purchase of products, links of one chain. distract from the essence of the vote. Puzzled people will come to this show. And this is the main point. And as they calculate, we know.
I do not participate.

[O. Bender]

Salad, crumbled everything, tasty, healthy so that you don't see cockroaches. "Package" salad.

[Aleksandr7987]

Here's a direct-on-air television broadcast — it is desirable that Putin speaks — he himself will tell me: Amendment of the Constitution to PROHIBIT deputies and officials of the Russian Federation at any level, including any of their relatives, to have citizenship, dual citizenship, residence permit, green card, etc. . etc. , accounts in foreign banks, real estate and any assets - WILL ??? Or there will be no such amendment, you need to know the specific answer ... THIS TIME ... TWO, no relatives abroad living, educated, but even homeless, the deputy or official should not have ... THREE amendment on the prosecution of corrupt officials and thieves with confiscation of the property of everything and everyone up to the seventh generation of kinship ... (something like that, stole-know, the cost of the stolen will be compensated to the victim at the expense of your relatives ...). I completely forgot that the deputy’s salary should not be higher than the average for the region from which the deputy came to the Duma ... And the official’s salary should not be higher than the average for the region where the official works from ... After all, they are deputies and officials present their activities as care and work on regions and regions on the population of the native country, so let them work getting the average wage in the region on the enthusiasm that emanated from the election, or taking office ... Now if such amendments are there, then I will definitely vote for the New Constitution

[Protos]

Quote: knn54

"Announce the ENTIRE list, please" ...

Wishing to read, yes, read!
http://duma.gov.ru/news/47985/

[Protos]

And in Ukraine, it is clearly quarantine, judging by the number of you ser @ in Russian-speaking resources
All Ukrainians rushed to the Internet to earn money. "psheki" and "dutch" closed the border for farm laborers

[Magus]

Why vote on the amendments? The State Duma deputies approved the amendments by a majority vote, none of the deputies voted against. I understand that the authorities would vote on the adoption of the new Constitution, but here there is no point. Only in society, because of this, is the situation escalating ...

[Campanella]

That is the point of the Constitution, a brief and unambiguously readable document.
And the president wants to make "War and Peace" out of him just to save himself and the Ozero cooperative.

[Victor N]

It is good for members of society to think sometimes.

[IL-64]

I'll go and vote against. Precisely because the authorities consider me to be.

[lelik613]

thimble constitution ... Talent!

[Dembel77]

Once already participated in a similar clowning, called by the authorities a nationwide referendum. (This refers to the referendum on the preservation of the USSR March 17, 1991 ...). But 70% were against the collapse of the Union. After him, believe no, but there is no trust and never will be. Think for yourself, but I have already made a decision.

[Protos]

Quote: IL-64

I'll go and vote against. Precisely because the authorities consider me to be.

What did they write in the training manual?