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Poll. For the first time in the middle class: the president sent 70% of Russians there

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What is your personal income per month?

Up to one and a half minimum wages (on average up to 17 thousand rubles) - 63 (15.48%)
15.48%
17 thousand rubles - 40 thousand rubles - 166 (40.79%)
40.79%
40 thousand rubles - 60 thousand rubles - 83 (20.39%)
20.39%
60 thousand rubles - 80 thousand rubles - 51 (12.53%)
12.53%
80 thousand rubles - 120 thousand rubles - 22 (5.41%)
5.41%
more than 120 thousand rubles - 22 (5.41%)
5.41%

An interview with Vladimir Putin in which he argued that almost three quarters (about 70%) of the inhabitants of Russia can be attributed to the so-called middle class, greatly puzzled our compatriots, who took fresh with some skepticism news about your own level of welfare. For the first time in the middle class ..


In addition, experts (mainly experts in economics and sociology) flocked to the head of state from all sides, who, with varying degrees of courage, began to criticize his words.

How right is the president in his "calculations"?


First of all, it is worth noting that Vladimir Vladimirovich in his speech clearly indicated in accordance with which methodology the indicator announced by him was derived. The World Bank is inclined to believe that everyone with an income of one and a half living wages (or the minimum wage, which is the same in our country) belongs to the middle class. In 2008, for example, his specialists using this methodology ranked 55,6% of Russians as the “middle” category. Now this level has increased. However, in another source, the same World Bank is already declaring something completely different: they say that the average level of wealth in the world should be counted from a monthly income of 3 and a half thousand dollars. Accordingly, no more than 8% of the world's inhabitants can brag of it.

The problem in this case, most likely, is that, as the concept of the “middle class” itself, the methods for determining membership in it have many different interpretations in the absence of a common standard for all. Poverty and wealth, as well as the amount of funds necessary for a decent life in Germany or France, are one thing, in Russia it is another. I allow myself to note that somewhere, for example, in Uganda, there is a completely third ... There are so many approaches to the definition that they can be generalized to several basic ones.

First of all, it is a calculation using arithmetic tools. We take one or another "minimum" set in different countries at completely different levels, or, for example, the "median" level of wages in the country, we multiply by a speculative coefficient (one, a half, two, three) and we get the size of the middle class.

This method is considered by many experts to be clearly manipulative, inaccurate and not giving the opportunity to compare the standard of living of the population not only in different countries, but even in different regions of the same state, if it is large enough (Russia, for example).

Much more vital is the definition of the middle class as a stratum of people capable of satisfying not only their most pressing needs (for food, the most necessary clothes, hygiene items, etc.), but also those who have the ability to “afford something more”. For example, travel, entertainment, more expensive equipment or other things that are not essential items. Also important here is the ability to pay for certain social services (treatment, education), and to save.

Some authors consider it a prerequisite for belonging to the social group that we are discussing that their representatives must have stable and legal sources of income, as well as savings that can allow them not to be afraid of falling into poverty for a sufficiently long time even if they lose their permanent job. A number of sociologists divide the middle class into "old" and "new." To the first they include the owners of even the smallest business, and to the second (more and more growing recently) highly skilled employees who are well paid and have a solid social status. The greatest sophistication in differentiation was achieved in the United States, where the middle class is divided into three, or even four, subclasses - from higher to lower. And by the way, in the USA this category, according to various estimates, includes from 30% to 40% of residents.

What is the situation in Russia? Let me repeat myself: according to different (very different!) Calculation methods used at different times by the World Bank, Alfa Bank, the Russian National Agency for Financial Research (NAFI), and finally, the Swiss bank Credit Suisse, the numbers diverged significantly. In order of the above organizations: 70%, 37%, 19% and 4,1%. Which one is closer to the truth? Everyone is free to judge on the basis of their own realities and the existing circle of communication and personal income.

PS A survey is proposed on the basis of which it will be possible to compose a picture of the percentage of middle-class representatives (at least in a single area and based on the honesty of the readers who give the answer).
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  1. regdan
    regdan 20 March 2020 06: 52 New
    +44
    VeVePe, you don’t need to talk about the middle class, but to award the hero of Sechin with a star ....
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 20 March 2020 06: 57 New
      +67
      We need to invite GDP to us - in the middle class for these 17! wassat
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 20 March 2020 07: 15 New
        +60
        Not so long ago he told how negatively he treats entrepreneurs and a couple of weeks later the award found the Hero of Labor of Rotenberg.
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 20 March 2020 07: 50 New
          +23
          Quote: YOUR
          Not so long ago he told how negatively he treats entrepreneurs and a couple of weeks later the award found the Hero of Labor of Rotenberg.

          So he really is a “hero.” Yeltsin built such a model in Russia that it’s easier and more convenient for billionaires to hide their wealth behind a hill and not in Russia. And to be under the domoclesque sword of American sanctions is worse for them than bankruptcy in Russia. So Putin wanted to, I got it, except for the repaying dulu, he will receive from them and not investments in the Russian economy. I don’t know how he persuaded this Rotenberg? And after the mine from Lenin for Putin I am not surprised at anything in the actions of the next long-liver of the Kremlin.
          1. umah
            umah 20 March 2020 08: 30 New
            +17
            In general, there is no such class in Marx’s “Capital”. This concept was invented in the USA for the ideological confrontation of the USSR.

            And so this plush concept can be twisted as you like and assigned to any number of people. Now the World Bank has $ 3500, and in some Congo it will be people with pants. Our criterion is no worse and no better.
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 20 March 2020 09: 48 New
              -31
              Marx - the measure of truth? This is already a primitive.
              1. fk7777777
                fk7777777 20 March 2020 12: 23 New
                +13
                This is a classic of the Vasya genre, primitive is your brain.
              2. victor50
                victor50 24 March 2020 21: 21 New
                0
                Quote: Victor N
                Marx - the measure of truth? This is already a primitive.

                ABOUT! Are you really !? laughing
          2. Malyuta
            Malyuta 20 March 2020 08: 50 New
            +47
            Quote: Mar. Tira
            he’ll get a muzzle from them and not investments in the Russian economy. I don’t know how he persuaded this Rotenberg?

            And what did such an outstanding Rothenberg do for Russia? He built a bridge that 10 times surpassed all estimates and which the same Chinese would have built 1-3 times cheaper? Or maybe his "Plato" is good for Russia? He also built a small section of the gas pipe to the OM in Sochi, which at the cost per kilometer became the most expensive pipe in the world !!!
            and now this wonderful man of the greatest intelligence and talent, who unexpectedly opened up during the era of Putinism, was awarded the title of Hero Labor, now besides an honorary place in the Forbes magazine and a bronze statue in the hero’s homeland, there is also a free metro ride and an out-of-turn passage in local outpatient clinic.
            Glory to the heroes!
            1. Mar.Tirah
              Mar.Tirah 20 March 2020 09: 07 New
              +18
              Quote: Malyuta
              And what did such an outstanding Rothenberg do for Russia?

              So I asked at the end, for what kind of preferences for Putin did this, judging by the surname of a cunning Jew, agree to help the Russian Crimea? The medal is certainly good, but for people like him it is not in the first place. Capital is international and the word patriotism is alien to him. And the fatherland.
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 20 March 2020 13: 49 New
                -19
                Quote: Mar. Tira
                Capital is international and the word patriotism is alien to it. And the fatherland.

                You are a telepath, could you read his mind?
                So international and so patriotic that the United States and the European Union imposed sanctions against him.
                And by the way, what have you done for your homeland?
                1. Mar.Tirah
                  Mar.Tirah 20 March 2020 16: 01 New
                  +10
                  Quote: CSKA
                  And by the way, what have you done for your homeland?
                  You and I have a different Motherland. By the way, my name is capitalized and it was called the USSR. I do not accept your order, I was always against it, and if I voted at first, I was always against your government that captured the country as a result of the coup and hoped for communists and the Rodina party, only they turned out to be the same werewolves as the entire political elite. This is my answer to you.
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA 20 March 2020 16: 40 New
                    -14
                    Quote: Mar. Tira
                    We have a different homeland. By the way, my name is capitalized and it was called the USSR

                    Great. I was also born in a beautiful country of the USSR.
                    Quote: Mar. Tira
                    I do not accept your system, I have always been against

                    What are you? So Oleg can answer, what did you do in 1991, so that our beautiful country would not break up, can you tell me for one who destroyed it?
                    1. Mar.Tirah
                      Mar.Tirah 20 March 2020 17: 02 New
                      +9
                      Quote: CSKA
                      So Oleg can answer, what did you do in 1991, so that our beautiful country would not break up, can you tell me for one who destroyed it?

                      He was on the ship at the base, there was a gathering of crews, everyone expressed his opinion. And how the military people were waiting for orders from the commander of the flotilla. But the army and the fleet were powerless against the betrayal of the supreme commander. There was no call how to protect the country from Lenin. Even the Minister of Defense he did everything he hoped for Gorbachev. If there was an order, he would open fire on all this trash. That crowd in the streets and squares of Moscow supporting the Yeltsinists. Not then, nor even more so, they were not sorry.
                      1. CSKA
                        CSKA 21 March 2020 11: 14 New
                        -7
                        Quote: Mar. Tira
                        He was on the ship at the base, there was a gathering of crews, everyone expressed his opinion. And how the military people were waiting for orders from the commander of the flotilla. But the army and the fleet were powerless against the betrayal of the supreme commander. There was no call how to protect the country from Lenin. Even the Minister of Defense he did everything he hoped for Gorbachev. If there was an order, he would open fire on all this trash. That crowd in the streets and squares of Moscow supporting the Yeltsinists. Not then, nor even more so, they were not sorry.

                        So your communists betrayed you. And there was an order or not, it's all demagogy. GKChP why not support? Why haven't your officers raised you? Or didn’t you tell the officers yourself? You just sat and watched everything fall apart, and now say how you would shoot everyone. In our 14th in Donetsk there were no commanders, no presidents. No one gave us orders. We somehow managed without teams.
                      2. Mar.Tirah
                        Mar.Tirah 21 March 2020 11: 26 New
                        +4
                        Quote: CSKA
                        Why haven't your officers raised you? Or didn’t you tell the officers yourself? You just sat and watched everything fall apart, and now say how you would shoot everyone. In our 14th in Donetsk there were no commanders, no presidents. No one gave us orders. We somehow managed without teams.

                        So I am an officer, commander of the PSKR, but I also had a commander, commander of the flotilla, and above him the commander of the Navy. I told you that there was an officer meeting, and there were so many opinions that everyone was at a loss from the situation in and the Pentagon did not attack us or the Bundeswehr did not call for the killing of people, the Communists. For what it was necessary to raise a rebellion like Sablin, there were no prerequisites, as there is not now. And you say as if you were on the Moon. you and your parents should be asked why you yourself did not rise against Yeltsin. And as for the Donbass, it was there that the GKChP mistakes were taken into account. You yourself could not have done anything without organized resistance. Strelkov did it. But alas, then there was no Girkin . So do not click on the sore spot of everyone, including you.
                      3. CSKA
                        CSKA 21 March 2020 14: 57 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Mar. Tira
                        Why did you have to raise a rebellion as Sablin, there were no prerequisites, as there is not even now

                        So for what reason are you not happy then? You officers did not support the GKChP, you remained in the barracks, and now you curse Gorbachev, and say that they were shooting Yeltsin’s supporters with pleasure. So then it was necessary to do so.
                        Quote: Mar. Tira
                        It is necessary to ask both you and your parents why you yourself did not rise

                        I was 4 years old then, I could not forgive. And my parents of engineers in Donetsk had fewer opportunities than your officer.
                        Quote: Mar. Tira
                        As for the Donbass, it was there that the GKChP errors were taken into account

                        )))) 80% of the militias do not know what it is. Everything is simple, the people began to unite and their leaders began to appear.
                        Quote: Mar. Tira
                        You yourself could not have done anything without organized resistance

                        Initially, there was not even a single command. Brigades formed with their commanders and acted independently.
                        Quote: Mar. Tira
                        Shooters did it.

                        What did you do?
                  2. Senior manager
                    Senior manager 24 March 2020 12: 36 New
                    0
                    Quote: Mar. Tira
                    fire all over this trash. that crowded in the streets and squares of Moscow supporting the Yeltsinists. Not then, nor even more so they were not sorry.

                    Yeah yeah yeah And he would continue to hunchback to sell the interests of the motherland. So? I personally really do not like EBN. To everything else and a drunk.
                  3. Mar.Tirah
                    Mar.Tirah 24 March 2020 16: 45 New
                    0
                    Quote: St. Propulsion
                    And he would continue to hunchback to sell the interests of the motherland.

                    What is the use of grinding bones drunk and labeled now. Now you don’t do anything. Remain live as we were brought up, and hope that social justice will return to our house ..
          3. victor50
            victor50 24 March 2020 21: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: CSKA
            And by the way, what have you done for your homeland?

            Have you been given the right to ask everyone? Base? Have you built Russia, are you saving? Yourself? One?
      2. Victor N
        Victor N 20 March 2020 09: 53 New
        -38
        Rotenberg built. Who tried - knows the price. And the estimates of others are insignificant ....
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 20 March 2020 12: 06 New
          +21
          Quote: Victor N
          Rotenberg built.

          But how did he only build the poor ????? Didn’t sleep at night think about the people? In this, we are different from you, that our people built, and you build billionaires. Pyramids!
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 20 March 2020 16: 42 New
            -16
            Quote: Mar. Tira
            But how, only he was poor and built ????? I didn’t sleep at night thinking about the people who were a loafer?

            And Stalin personally, each brick in each plant was laid down.))))))
            Quote: Mar. Tira
            In this we are different from you, that the people built with us, and you build billionaires.

            Do not carry nonsense already. Directly under the USSR there were no leaders.
            Quote: Mar. Tira
            Pyramids!

            And here are the pyramids? Blurt out just to blurt out?
            1. Mar.Tirah
              Mar.Tirah 20 March 2020 17: 16 New
              +10
              Quote: CSKA
              And Stalin personally, each brick in each plant was laid down.))))))

              But can Rotenberg’s face crack against Stalin’s face? For you, he can be a hero for me, an ordinary gangster who put together a gang of racketeers for athletes and protected roof salesmen. And all his merit is that he was in the same club as Putin. Arkady Rotenberg became the only Russian businessman , the state of which showed a significant increase against the backdrop of the collapse of shares on March 16. According to estimates, during the day his capital grew by 233 million dollars and exceeded a total of three billion dollars. Not a bad builder, right?
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 21 March 2020 11: 24 New
                -7
                Quote: Mar. Tira
                And face muzzle crack Rotenberg with Stalin to compare?

                I did not compare them as individuals. I have cited a guide. Everywhere and always there are leaders.
                Quote: Mar. Tira
                For you, he can be a hero for me, an ordinary gangster who put together a gang of athletes' racketeers and protected the traders.

                Whom and when he protected did not tell?))))) You yourself compose and you yourself believe in it.
                Quote: Mar. Tira
                Arkady Rotenberg became the only Russian businessman whose condition showed a significant increase against the backdrop of the collapse of shares on March 16. According to estimates, during the day his capital grew by 233 million dollars and exceeded a total of three billion dollars. Not a bad builder, right?

                )))) And where does such data come from? You at least logically estimate, due to which his condition can grow in one day? He owns a bank and a construction company, not a pharmaceutical one.))))
                1. Mar.Tirah
                  Mar.Tirah 21 March 2020 11: 35 New
                  +4
                  Quote: CSKA
                  )))) And where does such data come from?

                  Internet to help. Perhaps he got rich on the distribution of humanitarian aid? So write, we will be moved and apologize to the benefactor of Russia? Today is Lavrov’s birthday, do not make him rephrase ..
                2. CSKA
                  CSKA 21 March 2020 14: 59 New
                  -7
                  Quote: Mar. Tira
                  Internet to help. Perhaps he got rich on the distribution of humanitarian aid? So write, we will be moved and apologize to the benefactor of Russia?

                  So I can’t find something in one day. If not difficult, discard the link.
          2. victor50
            victor50 24 March 2020 21: 30 New
            0
            Quote: CSKA
            each plant laid

            He laid, laid, laid, amiable. There is no word "lied". In our language, at least. request
      3. Revival
        Revival 20 March 2020 13: 06 New
        +8
        Yes, as a welder, he built all of it in sweat.
        Only a lot of electrodes were burned, so the estimate heroically grew several times. Well done
        Although, what a fellow there, Hero !!!
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 20 March 2020 16: 43 New
          -10
          Quote: Revival
          Only a lot of electrodes were burned, so the estimate heroically grew several times.

          What was the estimate growing there? Read how much is spent on projects of similar bridges in other countries.
          1. Revival
            Revival 20 March 2020 17: 19 New
            +6
            That is, you say that the originally planned costs were sustained or deviated minimally? So?
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 21 March 2020 11: 25 New
              -6
              Quote: Revival
              That is, you say that the originally planned costs were sustained or deviated minimally? So?

              As a person who compiles estimates for many objects more than once, I can say that the initial and final estimates are two different things.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 20 March 2020 10: 13 New
      +35
      Quote: Malyuta
      And what is so outstanding rotenberg did for Russia? Built a bridge that 10 times exceeded all estimates

      Most of all earned by "sticking" on the bridge. During the construction, he doubled the number of his billions.

      Here voices are heard that, they say, everything is correct. The ingenious "bridge builders" should receive with dignity! And for me it’s just legalized theft on state contacts, which he receives due to his proximity to the president’s zeroed five minutes.
    3. CSKA
      CSKA 20 March 2020 13: 47 New
      -10
      Quote: Malyuta
      And what did such an outstanding Rothenberg do for Russia? He built a bridge that 10 times surpassed all estimates and which the same Chinese would have built 1-3 times cheaper?

      Who are you anyway? Architect, technologist, engineer, estimator? What do you know about? They at least googled before, as usual, writing their own nonsense.
      The cost of the Crimean bridge 3,5 billion dollars., Long 19 km, built in 3 years. Now look to compare how much the Chinese are building.
      Bridge Hong Kong - Zhuhai - Macau. The cost of 20 billion dollars., Dyne 55 km, built 8 years.
      So finally turn on your brain and read.
      Everything that you write, all absolute willful lies and your delusional speculations that you are trying to pass off as the pure truth.
      1. naidas
        naidas 20 March 2020 15: 11 New
        +9
        Quote: CSKA
        The cost of the Crimean bridge 3,5 billion dollars., Long 19 km, built in 3 years. Now look to compare how much the Chinese are building.

        The bridge through the Bay of Hangzhou, or the Great Transoceanic Bridge over the Bay of Hangzhou.
        The length of the bridge is about 36 km, the movement is carried out in three lanes in each direction. The estimated speed of the bridge 100 km / h, the service life of more than 100 years. The total investment cost in the construction amounted to 11,8 billion yuan (about 1,4 billion US dollars at the exchange rate of December 2004). The construction of the bridge began on June 8, 2003 and continued until 2007.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 20 March 2020 16: 53 New
          -8
          Quote: naidas
          The bridge through the Bay of Hangzhou, or the Great Transoceanic Bridge over the Bay of Hangzhou.
          The length of the bridge is about 36 km, the movement is carried out in three lanes in each direction. The estimated speed of the bridge 100 km / h, the service life of more than 100 years. The total investment cost in the construction amounted to 11,8 billion yuan (about 1,4 billion US dollars at the exchange rate of December 2004). The construction of the bridge began on June 8, 2003 and continued until 2007.

          Invalid comparison. The bridge is 2 times longer and it was built 1 year longer and twice cheaper, but it was in the mid-2000s. If we built the Crimean bridge in the mid-2000s, then the estimate would be completely different, the cost of the work then was different and do not forget about geology. The complexity of work on the shelf of the strait. Even under the USSR they wanted, but did not build for these reasons.
          1. naidas
            naidas 24 March 2020 16: 19 New
            0
            Quote: CSKA
            If we built the Crimean bridge in the mid-2000s, then the estimate would be completely different

            Here I completely agree with you. It’s just in vain that you Malyutu is so.
  2. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 20 March 2020 10: 22 New
    +17
    It would be nice to appear in the sources of income of our elite, I am afraid that many representatives of the "middle" class have long reached out for other awards for them, such as a short sermon and a long rope.
  • fk7777777
    fk7777777 20 March 2020 12: 21 New
    +13
    Yeah, in Finnish, everything was blocked to his bro, not even a single bank accepts payments from him for the light. They asked to explain where the money could not, well, u, they closed everything.
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 20 March 2020 08: 34 New
    +53
    The President once again lied and cast a shadow on the wattle fence.
    You do not need to be an economist of the highest category in order to understand the lower the minimum wage established, the more Putin has the middle class.
    The minimum wage in the Russian Federation is an unreasonable amount, or rather, the supply to the screamers so that they do not starve to death, such a diagnosis in the Russian Federation is unlikely to be dared to be made, but from diseases accompanying malnutrition
    And if tomorrow the government thinks that the minimum wage is 5 rubles, then the blue-eyed wagon will tell from the zombie screens that the number of the middle class has grown in the Russian Federation to 93%, and the rest are just drunks, parasites and associative elements.
    We will not have any tax holidays, as in Spain, there will be no cancellation of payments for housing and communal services, as in Spain, and a plan will be put forward to increase the industrial milking of the population, as not the second, but the main oil, under the frantic call "rally around a leader in a difficult moment for the bourgeoisie. "
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 20 March 2020 09: 37 New
      +28
      This is not our president!
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 20 March 2020 11: 15 New
        +29
        I did not vote for the "mole". And for the “zero” the more I’m not going to.
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 20 March 2020 10: 54 New
      +21
      Quote: Malyuta

      You do not need to be an economist of the highest category in order to understand the lower the minimum wage established, the more Putin has the middle class.

      Strongly disagree with the fact that to determine the "middle class" to use the minimum wage
      No wonder the minimum wage is consonant with the words DEATH
      A minimum wage is the minimum at which a person barely makes ends meet. It does not take into account force majeure circumstances that regularly happen to each of us. And, in this case, it’s not only very far from the middle class, but even to stay in “poverty” is very difficult.
      Therefore, without looking back at all sorts of Europe-America, we ourselves must determine what the "middle class" is
      In my opinion, the “middle class” is not an individual to be talked about when defining it, it is a family of 4 people. And consider her needs. In food, the set of which should include not only oatmeal and "pasta", but also a "sandwich with black caviar once a month" or a price analogue. Of course, no stupid excesses. It’s the same in clothes - without silly “fashionable” ones, but at the same time in season and weather, for all occasions.
      Plus utilities and plus, and this is important, every month, painlessly put aside for a "rainy day" or for children to education, or for a "vacation in the Crimea" every two years. When all this is calculated and the total family income is determined, then it will become clear how many families are part of the "middle class".
    3. cloud catcher
      cloud catcher 20 March 2020 11: 00 New
      +14
      "The World Bank is inclined to believe that everyone with an income of one and a half living wages belongs to the middle class." The cost of living highlights the consumer basket, that is, the number of products and services necessary for normal human life.
      Minimum wage of the Russian Federation - 12 130 p;
      PM Luxenburg - 2000 EUR;
      Finland - 1170 EUR;
      Germany - 1240 EUR;
      Britain - 1087 EUR.
      It is clear that spending on housing, food, taxes, training and treatment is great, everywhere they are different and not small, but the following is an important factor. Free money in a German family remains after all payments from 880 EUR.
      And how much "free money" remains for the Russians living outside the Moscow Ring Road?
    4. CSKA
      CSKA 20 March 2020 13: 55 New
      -14
      Quote: Malyuta
      You do not need to be an economist of the highest category in order to understand the lower the minimum wage established, the more Putin has the middle class.
      Minimum wage in the Russian Federation is an unjustified value

      Shkolota read what the minimum wage is, how it is formed. You just have to be an economist, or at least to understand the economy, this is not nuclear physics, otherwise people will write the same nonsense about the minimum wage and the middle class, as you wrote.
      Quote: Malyuta
      We will not have any tax holidays, as in Spain, there will be no cancellation of payments for housing and communal services, as in Spain

      Another lie. Just lie and lie.
    5. mat-vey
      mat-vey 20 March 2020 14: 36 New
      +4
      Well, if the minimum wage is calculated according to some kind of international method? I wonder what will happen then? And then we think so, but here the fish was wrapped.
      1. CSKA
        CSKA 20 March 2020 16: 56 New
        -10
        Quote: mat-vey
        Well, if the minimum wage is calculated according to some kind of international method? I wonder what will happen then? And then we think so, but here the fish was wrapped.

        The minimum wage is calculated in different ways, just as in different ways the middle class is determined. About it the president also spoke. And the little above writes that according to Putin, the lower the minimum wage, the larger the middle class. That's bullshit.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 21 March 2020 07: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: CSKA
          the lower the minimum wage, the larger the middle class. That's bullshit.

          "... that Vladimir Vladimirovich in his speech clearly indicated according to which methodology the indicator announced by him was deduced. The World Bank is inclined to believe that everyone with an income of one and a half living wages (or the minimum wage, which in our country now one and the same). "- and what is the nonsense?
  • Victor N
    Victor N 20 March 2020 09: 44 New
    -16
    What matters is not so much income as self-awareness. Others and with bags of money remain miserable. Others at low incomes retain dignity.
    1. Revival
      Revival 20 March 2020 13: 11 New
      +8
      In addition to self-awareness, there are objective criteria. And if according to objective criteria the size of the mole is disgraceful for a person, or rather a country, then here you can’t replace anything
    2. Konatantin 1992
      Konatantin 1992 22 March 2020 06: 17 New
      +3
      Self-awareness? Feeling what? Why are you poor? The feeling that your government is on us ***? What do you pour into your ears from the screen every day? Fear the god Shur ..... And the training manual ask for a new
  • Stas157
    Stas157 20 March 2020 10: 16 New
    +23
    Quote: bessmertniy
    We need to invite GDP to us - in the middle class for these 17!

    Yes, so that he himself lived as a middle class!
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 20 March 2020 11: 13 New
      +17
      Yes, so that he himself lived as a middle class!

      Today, the maintenance of the "father" of the Russian "middle class" is spent on how much approximately 75 of its representatives, having an income of 000, receive. After all, the world will actually go to zero. He himself did not draw this procedure.
  • DMB 75
    DMB 75 20 March 2020 10: 32 New
    +17
    Or invite pensioners to 14 thousand. Let him live. If he can.
    1. fk7777777
      fk7777777 20 March 2020 12: 27 New
      +9
      In the middle lane, the pension is 5500, the salary of a paramedic with experience in the village of 6000 rubles. If this is not genocide, then what is it?
  • kjhg
    kjhg 20 March 2020 06: 58 New
    +55
    You can comment on this statement in one word - FABULOUS ...
    If we have 70% belong to the middle class, then I am an alien from another galaxy.
    In general, seriously discussing this GDP statement is only possible in a psychiatric clinic. He needed to assign 140% of citizens to a wealthy class, as he was used to in elections lol
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 20 March 2020 07: 57 New
      -53
      You first read what Putin said, and then you decide who is fabulous and who is an alien.

      Why are you so stupid? Why are you doing any stuffing? Obviously, Putin could not say that in Russia 70% of the population is middle class.

      In an interview, Putin said that there is no single method for determining the middle class and cited the World Bank’s methodology, that those who receive 1,5 minimum wages are the middle class, saying that one cannot compare the middle class in Russia and Europe.

      It's a shame that the Military Review for the sake of hype or out of stupidity misleads readers, and readers themselves can not verify information, even such dubious information.

      I'm ashamed for you.
      1. Loess
        Loess 20 March 2020 08: 15 New
        -35
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        and led the World Bank’s methodology that the middle class is those who receive 1,5 minimum wages,

        At present, the results of local voting using this methodology show that more than 70% of voters have an income of more than 1,5 minimum wages.
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        saying that one cannot compare the middle class in Russia and Europe.

        Alas, many do not give a full quote, but usually choose the right part of the phrase and use it to their advantage.
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        It's a shame that the Military Review for the sake of hype or out of stupidity misleads readers, and readers themselves can not verify information, even such dubious information.

        Maybe VO decided to make an Echo competition?
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 20 March 2020 08: 51 New
          -21
          Maybe VO decided to make an Echo competition?


          Maybe, probably, they also want to switch to state financing, or become a foreign agent.
          1. Victor N
            Victor N 20 March 2020 09: 57 New
            -23
            Yes, the denseness of some local commentators is amazing.
        2. Varyag71
          Varyag71 20 March 2020 09: 37 New
          +28
          Or maybe you get out of here?
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            1. Stas157
              Stas157 20 March 2020 10: 22 New
              +20
              Quote: Less
              and I won’t tell you where you should go

              You won’t say so.
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                1. Varyag71
                  Varyag71 20 March 2020 13: 38 New
                  +11
                  Somehow you decide on the definitions. Putin himself said to himself that he is a liberal. Or do you have different liberals, right and wrong? I am for the revival of the USSR! Then the arrest of all those guilty of embezzlement of state property, in violation of all norms and laws and many other crimes. In short, the entire Kremlin is on trial! The entire command of all law enforcement agencies is under trial. All judges and prosecutors! United Russia is generally a separate item. I’m sure how they will merge each other!
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 20 March 2020 15: 12 New
                    -6
                    Quote: Varyag71
                    Somehow you decide on the definitions. Putin himself said to himself that he is a liberal. Or do you have different liberals, right and wrong? I am for the revival of the USSR! Then the arrest of all those guilty of embezzlement of state property, in violation of all norms and laws and many other crimes. In short, the entire Kremlin is on trial! The entire command of all law enforcement agencies is under trial. All judges and prosecutors! United Russia is generally a separate item. I’m sure how they will merge each other!

                    1). Under the USSR, you would call someone from power to trial, but there were many for that)).
                    2) In the 90s, before Putin, were they also so brave?
                    Having received an excellent level of personal security and much greater freedom of speech with GDP than with the USSR, people begin to imagine the devil knows that ..
                    1. Varyag71
                      Varyag71 20 March 2020 15: 22 New
                      +10
                      In the 90s I was 10 years old. Personal safety? All scum in uniform now considers himself to be a god.
                      And who in the USSR should have been called to trial ?! Because then there was confidence in the future. Therefore, even the price was stamped and printed on all types of goods. And now the price tag can be corresponded every day. The weakest ruble is the true proof of the stupidity and weakness of power
                    2. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 20 March 2020 15: 57 New
                      -9
                      There are no questions for you on the 90th
                      As for the epaulette - as you develop and grow, you will have more and more opportunities to put these in place, and after 40 - by any methods that come to your mind)).
                      In the USSR (I’m older than you, therefore I remember and know) it was like this:
                      Part of the population, up to the collapse of the country, lived in small families and communal apartments, while sending the Union subsequently far and for a long time platinum was built for free countries, etc. Due to the welfare of its citizens. The lag in medicine, respectively, the lower survival rate of the population for a number of diseases was caused by self-isolation from the world scientific community, which, by the way, very quickly took over all the best Soviet developments put up for show (Elizarov’s invention, etc.). Confidence in the future was from ignorance - ended with the collapse of an economically inefficient system. Prices? Yes - stable. But there was a shortage of much - down to poor quality toilet paper.
                      The Soviet ruble was nothing at all - non-convertible currency!
                      Therefore, do not listen to those who call for a return to the USSR — these are either people who are nostalgic for youth or scammers from politics.
                    3. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 20 March 2020 18: 53 New
                      +8
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      The lag in medicine, respectively, the lower survival rate of the population for a number of diseases was caused by self-isolation

                      If you can buy a separate ward in a hospital, then yes, you are fine, and my father was kicked out two weeks ago to die, saying that they don’t perform such operations, despite the fact that they do these operations, it’s good that my sister the doctor went to understand. My dad couldn’t eat anything, he just vomited. So sit and be silent about medicine in the USSR, where I was treated in the same double room as the Hero of the Soviet Union.
                    4. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 20 March 2020 19: 16 New
                      -4
                      Oh my friend who is with me on you! hi
                      1) Under the Andropov Union, they could last longer provided ... treatment in Germany. He turned out to be an honest man, refused the offer, died earlier
                      2) From this it follows that you and the Hero of the Soviet Union were not treated with the most modern methods, possibly effective.
                      3) I am not writing about equality of opportunity, but about efficiency. In the USSR, with the exception of the party elite, there was EQUALITY OF PEACE, maybe your small town was not distinguished by the privilege of party apparatchiks.
                      4) In modern Russia, if you have brains, you can operate at least in Miami, order a separate room in the Mayo Clinic, etc.
                      5) It was necessary to ask for an official refusal to conduct the operation \ referral to the regional, then send a sister and after the operation to sue him. Even with the presence of a doctor dating, appeal to the regional, going to bloggers, then the media. Now it’s not the USSR, such things are causing a public outcry and nobody will put you in prison for “slandering the Soviet way of life”.
                    5. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 20 March 2020 19: 30 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      It was necessary to ask for an official refusal to carry out the operation \ referral to the regional, then send a sister and after the operation to sue him. Even with the presence of his acquaintances, appeal to the regional, going to bloggers, then the media.

                      You did not understand anything. The bill went on for days. They have already done one operation, they will do it again.
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Now it’s not the USSR, such things are causing a public outcry and nobody will put you in prison for “slandering the Soviet way of life”.

                      In the USSR, there was no such attitude towards patients.
                    6. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 20 March 2020 19: 34 New
                      -3
                      You didn’t understand anything. It was necessary to do the operation, which is what you did, thanks to your sister. But it was just necessary to take an official refusal at discharge - was he discharged?
                      Under the USSR, my grandfather, having got to the hospital after an accident, died .. from pneumonia, which he picked up at the hospital thanks to caring staff.
  • Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 20 March 2020 13: 19 New
    -7
    Intolerance to the opinions of others is precisely the attribute of a liberal. Normal commentators are already dumping. Since VO turns into an ally of echo and radio freedom. And a competitor to the Ukrainian censor.
  • Victor N
    Victor N 22 March 2020 10: 06 New
    0
    No, I’ll wait. Shades of interest. It's funny ....
  • Revival
    Revival 20 March 2020 13: 45 New
    +2
    Or maybe the situation then looks like this:
    And for everything to fall into place, his thought in full form should sound something like this:
    "Here the World Bank considers the middle class of people whose income is from 1,5 moles on the basis of its quite decent size, but this technique does not suit us in Russia, because in our country a beggarly mole is divorced from reality."
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 20 March 2020 08: 17 New
    +28
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    In an interview, Putin said that there is no single method for determining the middle class and cited the World Bank’s methodology, that the middle class is those who receive 1,5 minimum wages

    Excuse me, is Putin the President of Russia, or of the World Bank, that he operates on his methods, and not on the situation currently existing in the country?
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 20 March 2020 08: 53 New
      -23
      Excuse me, is Putin the President of Russia, or of the World Bank, that he operates on his methods, and not on the situation currently existing in the country?


      I will not forgive you because you cannot or intentionally do not want to understand that this is just an example that Putin brought to show that it is NOT possible to use the uniform criteria for defining the middle class in the camp !!!
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 20 March 2020 08: 59 New
        +20
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Will not forgive

        This is how the social-class confrontation is heating up in the country.

        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Putin’s example just led to show that it’s IMPOSSIBLE to use a single criterion for determining the middle class in a camp

        And to call the minimum wage, the size of a conditionally compatible with life, even in size "1,5", wealth, measure of belonging to the" middle class "- is it possible?
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 20 March 2020 09: 19 New
        +35
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        I will not forgive you because you cannot or intentionally do not want to understand that this is just an example that Putin brought to show that it is NOT possible to use the uniform criteria for defining the middle class in the camp !!!

        You are trying to pull the unfortunate owl back onto the globe. What they said PV understood everything exactly as he said, namely 70% of the population of the Russian Federation is the middle class. This is called falsification! When Putin is profitable, he operates with any methodology, changing their meaning to the other way around. His explanations about the devaluation of the ruble, about how, under any conditions in the Russian Federation, gas prices go up, about how managers like sesin get millions a day are indicative. And all this is some kind of methodology and justification, only to what extent should people be considered as illiterate blubs in order to bear such a blizzard.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 20 March 2020 10: 44 New
          +29
          Quote: Malyuta
          70% of the population of the Russian Federation is the middle class. This is called falsification! When Putin is profitable, he operates with any methodsshifting their meaning to the other way around.

          As for the salaries of friends of TOP managers, it should be comparable with the West! And as for ordinary people, well-being (middle class) should be measured by the beggarly Russian minimum wage.

          He falls with his methods just at 0.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 20 March 2020 11: 33 New
            +15
            He falls with his methods just at 0.

            Nowhere to fall. Only formalize accordingly left.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 20 March 2020 10: 01 New
      -28
      In Russia, at the moment, a very decent situation! And each individual family has its own assessments and its own abilities. If you adjust your own Wishlist - everything will be fine.
      1. Revival
        Revival 20 March 2020 13: 15 New
        +3
        I understand that you are comparing with Bhutan?
        Well, this place is honorable, hello, overtook butane as standing!
        Breakthrough!
      2. Revival
        Revival 20 March 2020 13: 19 New
        +2
        Speak correctly, quiz, right advice!
        "If you adjust your own Wishlist, everything will be fine."

        Like this, apparently?
        Want to eat do not eat!
        Want to put on your shoes don't put on your shoes!
        Do you want to turn on the electricity, do not turn on the gas!
        Do you want to wash do not wash!
        And everything will be fine, or very good!
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 March 2020 08: 46 New
    +47
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    You first read what Putin said, and then you decide who is fabulous and who is an alien.

    You first listen to what Putin says (from 0:55):
    [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = wq9UNxK-Mjo]
    We have a lot of such people ... Confidently over 70% ...

    One did not say that the middle class should work on his tie for $ 1 for six months and at the same time live in a den and suck on his paw ...
    It’s not only disgusting for me to read these remarks with a clearly expressed servile attitude and cynical justification of everything and everything that has been cast down from “fabulous lips”, but also to accept some accusations of “not understanding the moment” ...
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 20 March 2020 10: 06 New
      -29
      At all times, decent people were ashamed to show their own squalor. Is that happening now ?! Why do they flaunt it ?!
      1. Revival
        Revival 20 March 2020 13: 21 New
        +8
        So if you happen to be interviewed, then you ask so directly.
        And then we will discuss the answer here
    2. CSKA
      CSKA 20 March 2020 14: 05 New
      -7
      Quote: ROSS 42
      One did not say that the middle class should work on his tie for $ 1 for six months and at the same time live in a den and suck on his paw ...

      And the President of the United States or China cheaper ties?))))
      Quote: ROSS 42
      It’s not only disgusting for me to read these remarks with a clearly expressed servile attitude and cynical justification of everything and everything that has been cast down from “fabulous lips”, but also to accept some accusations of “not understanding the moment” ...

      But it’s disgusting for me to read the lodges, the empty criticism of everything and everything, but I somehow endure it, and so you will suffer.
  • Deck
    Deck 20 March 2020 09: 22 New
    +22
    I'm ashamed for you.


    And I am ashamed of you and others like you for choosing such a person to be the president of the country.
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 20 March 2020 10: 23 New
      +9
      And I am ashamed of you and others like you for choosing such a person to be the president of the country.
      Sorry, but I personally did not choose it. And none of my colleagues and acquaintances voted for him (as well as for EP).
  • fk7777777
    fk7777777 20 March 2020 12: 29 New
    +4
    Yes, it’s a shame for us to be there, the people demand money, stability, and insert your growing, inflationary economy in one place.
  • CSKA
    CSKA 20 March 2020 13: 58 New
    -5
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    It's a shame that the Military Review for the sake of hype or out of stupidity misleads readers, and readers themselves can not verify information, even such dubious information.

    I'm ashamed for you.

    So this is the task of the author. He mistakenly or intentionally writes the provocative title of the article, so that later, such clowns who wrote there at the beginning, without a break, began to pour mud and everything.
  • Kostyar
    Kostyar 20 March 2020 18: 46 New
    +4
    I'm ashamed for you.

    It can be a shame only for yourself, Dear ....
  • Victor N
    Victor N 20 March 2020 10: 12 New
    -23
    Quote: kjhg
    You can comment on this statement in one word - FABULOUS ...
    If we have 70% belong to the middle class, then I am an alien from another galaxy.
    In general, seriously discussing this GDP statement is only possible in a psychiatric clinic. He needed to assign 140% of citizens to a wealthy class, as he was used to in elections lol

    Why aren't you in the middle class? Weak?
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 20 March 2020 10: 24 New
      +19
      Quote: Victor N
      Why aren't you in the middle class? Weak?

      Let's decide first, who will we attribute to the middle class? Those who receive 17 thousand rubles, as Putin said? This is not serious. I personally believe that the middle class in Russia can include those whose incomes begin from five hundred dollars for each family member. So count. Personally, I have not been in this category since 2014. Although before that for some time, confidently reached out. And since last year, when salaries were cut by 25%, I don’t even get close. And you, Victor?
      1. Fishery
        Fishery 20 March 2020 12: 18 New
        +5
        the middle class is its own home or mortgage, a car, better than 2, the ability to educate children according to their desires and abilities, vacation at least once a year, better than 2.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 March 2020 06: 58 New
    +43
    Putin finally lost the coast, got confused in them, hangs out somewhere in the English Channel.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 20 March 2020 07: 05 New
      +37
      Quote: depressant
      Putin finally lost the coast


      Therefore, at critical moments in history (and not only in Russia), the "powers that be", perplexedly asks: " How could this happen? P O F E M U !!!? "

      1. maidan.izrailovich
        maidan.izrailovich 20 March 2020 07: 45 New
        +25
        "How could this happen? P O P E M U !!!?"

        From childhood he was interested in history. And already in his youth he noticed that the rulers of all times and eras completely ignore the historical experience of their predecessors. Apparently believing that nothing negative can happen to them. How are they all (and always) wrong. Because just the same people very well remember how our ancestors acted in critical situations.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 20 March 2020 07: 59 New
          +19
          Quote: maidan.izrailovich
          rulers of all times and ages completely ignore the historical experience of their predecessors

          They are,ALL и ALL... "The universe was saddled."
          Pompous self-confidence, due to isolation from reality.
          Quote: maidan.izrailovich
          the people very well remember how our ancestors acted in critical situations

          And, S. Pushkin, in the novel "The Captain's Daughter", he wrote:
          God forbid to see the Russian rebellion - meaningless and merciless ...

          Riot may be meaningless, but history knows an example where people were able to take all power into their own hands.
          I would not want Russia to once again "plunge into the revolution" and the terrible civil war, it has too many challenges from external enemies now, and since at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, it will not work out.

          The new ANTANTA - NATO, will sweep Russia ...

          Therefore, if the authorities still have at least a tiny bit of feelings for their homeland, they should come to their senses. Otherwise - CRASH.
        2. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 20 March 2020 08: 23 New
          -26
          From childhood he was interested in history. And already in his youth he noticed that the rulers of all times and eras completely ignore the historical experience of their predecessors. Apparently believing that nothing negative can happen to them. How are they all (and always) wrong.


          And how did they become older, became interested in primary sources, immediately began to believe in any nonsense that the media carry, searching for the essence and meaning of what was said?

          Read first what Putin said and don’t mess up.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 20 March 2020 10: 26 New
            +22
            No need to read anything. Watch the video where Putin himself says without your help.
            Are you cooler than the president or his second press secretary, that you undertake to interpret presidential statements. He said what he thought.
        3. Varyag71
          Varyag71 20 March 2020 09: 39 New
          +27
          They rely too much on the Russian Guard ...
    2. YOUR
      YOUR 20 March 2020 07: 18 New
      +21
      In general, yes, one gets the feeling that he began to rush about somehow. Strange actions, strange statements.
    3. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 20 March 2020 08: 18 New
      +14
      Quote: depressant
      finally lost the coast, got confused in them, hangs out somewhere in the English Channel.

      - But he does not restrain himself, got up and screamed.
      - I will be Peter-1, it’s time to treat the country!
      - All naked scalp, friendship
      - I will reward in a royal way, having dumped ,, lollipops ,,
    4. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 20 March 2020 08: 21 New
      -32
      Putin finally lost the coast, got confused in them, hangs out somewhere in the English Channel.


      It’s not Putin’s coast that has been lost, but some authors and readers of his mind.

      If you read or watch the interview yourself, it becomes clear that Putin says something completely different - that you cannot compare the middle class in Russia with European countries and cited the World Bank methodology as an example, where everyone who earns more than 1,5 minimum wages is considered the middle class, as for it, with us 70% of the workers are middle class.
      1. savage1976
        savage1976 20 March 2020 08: 27 New
        -29
        Do you think the local whiners are interested in your speeches and Putin’s words ?! Yes, they just cry, I want a vest and no more.
        1. Russian jacket
          Russian jacket 20 March 2020 18: 01 New
          -5
          Once again I am convinced that we are a nation of whiners. You're right. hi
  • smart ass
    smart ass 20 March 2020 07: 00 New
    +39
    40% below the poverty line and 70% of the middle class) 40 + 70 = 100))))
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 20 March 2020 07: 59 New
      -34
      Look at the source what Putin said, and then you'll be clever.
      1. nerovnayadoroga
        nerovnayadoroga 20 March 2020 09: 16 New
        +21
        I look in the source — my pocket and see there at the end of the tunnel, (getting 40, I live at 10), a big cookie and they don’t serve bread for me in the store for being close to the GDP and the middle class !?
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 20 March 2020 10: 22 New
          -25
          Try not in the store, but on the porch. Even in the transition, you can beg, only wretchedly pretend ....
          1. nerovnayadoroga
            nerovnayadoroga 20 March 2020 10: 23 New
            +5
            They have already figured out for us here, so do not take action ...
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 20 March 2020 08: 11 New
      +20
      40% below the poverty line and 70% of the middle class) 40 + 70 = 100))))
      do not forget that there is a class rich and very poor, totaling in their favorite arithmetic we get 146%. This is a circus, this is just a circus.
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 20 March 2020 08: 35 New
        +29
        In the country, prices are rising, coronovirus, panic. And our king is like a cat with a mouse with his vote on April 22 rushing (((
        1. nerovnayadoroga
          nerovnayadoroga 20 March 2020 09: 18 New
          +18
          He is not just worn, he has a vital issue resolved!
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 20 March 2020 09: 32 New
            +10
            Quote: nerovnayadoroga
            He is not just worn, he has a vital issue resolved!


            У THEM
        2. kjhg
          kjhg 20 March 2020 09: 30 New
          +18
          Quote: Clever man
          In the country, prices are rising, coronovirus, panic. And our king is like a cat with a mouse with his vote on April 22 rushing (((

          That's why it is worn. But he knows better than us that if you don’t arrange this circus with a poll now, then, probably, circumstances will not allow it. Why do you think such a rush to zero was needed? This circus will be held, even in the form of a home vote, no matter how absurd it may look.
    3. Victor N
      Victor N 20 March 2020 10: 18 New
      -18
      I don’t understand: Vasya Umnik or the Poor? Somehow does not fit! Wretched Nerd is .....
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 20 March 2020 10: 39 New
        +12
        Justify?
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  • Arlen
    Arlen 20 March 2020 07: 01 New
    +30
    What does the middle class mean? I have a higher education, I get 24000 a month. my wife has a higher education, the salary is about the same as mine, we have one child. are we middle class or not? son is the same middle class? or children are not considered? more questions ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 March 2020 09: 17 New
      +12
      Quote: Arlen
      . are we middle class or not?

      You and your wife are average, but your son is not. The statistics for your family are 66,7% of the middle class and 33,3% are below the average. I apologize in advance.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 20 March 2020 09: 34 New
        +9
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        You and your wife are average, but your son is not. The statistics for your family are 66,7% of the middle class and 33,3% are below the average. I apologize in advance.

        Why apologize? All of you correctly stated, unfortunately to the big.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 March 2020 10: 10 New
          +12
          Quote: Insurgent
          All of you correctly stated, unfortunately to the big.

          Wrong. Even if we take the same methodology that Putin chose, then according to him, the World Bank considers households, so their family does not pull the middle class. In general, there even a journalist grunted when Putin said that nothing had changed in France when Macron played back. In general, as usual, I chatted.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 20 March 2020 18: 04 New
            +4
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Wrong.

            Sorry, I just thought that your comment with such an assessment of family income Arlen was humor ...
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 March 2020 18: 22 New
              +3
              Quote: Insurgent
              Sorry, I just thought that your comment on this assessment of the Arlen family income was humor ...

              The first comment I wrote with humor. And then I thought that there wasn’t anything funny there, I watched an interview with Putin and got angry. What is he talking at all? I would have looked at the consumer basket, according to which the minimum wage is calculated, where the pensioner has 4 pairs of socks for almost 2 years. Or 6 pairs of shoes for 3,5 years.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 20 March 2020 10: 33 New
      -17
      Arlen, representatives of the "middle class" do not ask such questions, they know their own worth. And you do not worry, understanding will come by itself. Do not be discouraged, take care of honor and dignity.
  • siberalt
    siberalt 20 March 2020 07: 11 New
    +20
    Who knows, besides the middle class, some other classes happen and by what principle do they unite within themselves? What is their class pride, for what idea, what is their unity and unity? winked
    Previously, everything was clear: the class of exploiters, the class of exploited for whose labor the first live and the peasantry - small private traders - producers of agricultural products working on the land. Now they’ve caught such turbidity so that it would not be clear who whose grave digger is.
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 20 March 2020 07: 24 New
      +22
      Quote: siberalt
      Now they’ve caught up such turbidity so that it would not be clear who whose grave digger

      the neo-bourgeois capitalists specifically introduced the term "middle class" to distract the people from the ideas of Marxism-Leninism, and to preserve, through a substitution of terms (now not capitalism, but free market relations) their power and their right to rob and exploit the working people.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 20 March 2020 07: 46 New
        +30
        "The Kremlin commented on Putin’s words about the middle class"

        MOSCOW, Mar 18 - RIA News. There are completely different methods for determining the middle class, said spokesman for the President of Russia Dmitry Peskov. Earlier, Vladimir Putin said that in Russia, 70 percent of the population is middle class, referring to World Bank methods, according to which people whose income is one and a half times the minimum wage are considered middle class. "President (Vladimir Putin. - Ed.) <...> says that there are completely different methods throughout the world, and in WHO, and in other international organizations, and so on. Therefore, this is a fairly relative concept, "Peskov answered the question why The president, saying that 70 percent of Russians are middle class, did not mention how people spend their income.
        Journalists drew Peskov's attention to the fact that the president, defining the middle class, referred to the methodology of the World Bank. However, according to journalists, by definition of the bank, the Russian middle class is a household whose consumption level is one and a half times higher than the national poverty scale. They noted that consumption determines the cost of goods and services. At the same time, according to them, the president was talking about income.
        “We need to figure it out. We’ll definitely check it. I can’t answer right away, but this is an interesting remark, we’ll definitely check it,” Peskov said.
        The question of how much should be received in Russia in order to live with dignity, the presidential spokesman redirected to the government.
        “We cannot determine this amount in the Kremlin. This amount is calculated on the basis of a whole host of parameters,” Peskov added.


        From vatsapa

        [12:58, 18.03.2020/1/70] ABXNUMX: Putin declared that XNUMX% of Russian citizens belong to the middle class
        [12:59, 18.03.2020/2/XNUMX] ABXNUMX: Well, to that, to the average.
        [13:02, 18.03.2020/1/17] ABXNUMX: Those whose income exceeds XNUMXt. rubles according to him ...
        [13:12, 18.03.2020/2/XNUMX] ABXNUMX: And I say, average ones, a little poor ones.
        [13:12, 18.03.2020/2/XNUMX] ABXNUMX: The middle class, these are those who have enough for macaroni. And pay the loan on TV.
        [13:14, 18.03.2020/2/XNUMX] ABXNUMX: And if anyone has money left for shoes and clothes, then this is already normally secured.
        [13:14, 18.03.2020/2/XNUMX] ABXNUMX: And if you have beer and cigarettes, then it’s simply beyond the reach of the rich.
        [13:15, 18.03.2020/2/XNUMX] ABXNUMX: I'm not talking about those who still have seeds and chips after beer. These are some kind of financial bigwigs.

        laughing
        Before talking about the "middle class", it is necessary to clearly determine the minimum wage. The amount of money that is now taken as the minimum wage in Russia is absolutely false, having nothing to do with reality, calculated by a wretched method, and by unclear what prices and criteria, or rather, very underestimated from real ones. Actually, the minimum wage in Russia, it must be considered first, in dollars, and secondly, this amount should be at least twice as much. The middle class in the “West” is considered to be those in which, when calculating the whole family (that is, the salary of workers is distributed both for workers and dependents), there remains one and a half minimum monthly wage per person, AFTER ALL MANDATORY PAYMENTS are paid, that is, taxes, loans, mortgages, payment of housing and communal services, etc.
        1. Loess
          Loess 20 March 2020 08: 19 New
          -25
          Quote: Snail N9
          In fact, the minimum wage in Russia should be considered first, in dollars,

          Why's that? Maybe the president should be a US citizen?
          Quote: Snail N9
          AFTER PAYMENT OF ALL MANDATORY PAYMENTS, that is, taxes, loans, mortgages, housing and communal services payments, etc.

          Credits ????? Yes, I didn’t even hear anything “steeper” from Zhirinovsky.
        2. nerovnayadoroga
          nerovnayadoroga 20 March 2020 09: 23 New
          +3
          Ten times, at least, you yourself said in dollar terms, 120000₽ = 2000 &
        3. Victor N
          Victor N 20 March 2020 10: 45 New
          -24
          The middle class is those who do not count the money in their wallet every night. Do not worry about evaluation methods - earn and spend! It all depends on you!
          1. CT-55_11-9009
            CT-55_11-9009 20 March 2020 15: 35 New
            +8
            Cheboksary. Yoshkar-Ola. Kirzhach. A flag in your hands, a drum on your neck - earn there !!! And I will look at it from the side, laugh (sorry, I will learn).
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 20 March 2020 08: 34 New
        +6
        neo-bourgeois capitalists specifically introduced the term "middle class",


        Hahahahh .... the term "middle class" has existed since the 12th century, when a layer of petit "bourgeoisie" appeared in the feudal society of France. The written source was used for the first time in 1745 by the English pamphletist James Bradshaw.
        1. Arlen
          Arlen 20 March 2020 08: 52 New
          +14
          If you decide to boast of your knowledge regarding the appearance of the term, you should know that the term itself has existed since the ancient world. The first to use the term "middle class"
          and Aristotle. But you don’t care that the term "middle class" is currently politically tinted and refers to a certain group of consumers, so as not to mention the exploited class once again.
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Hahahahh ...

          Laughter for no reason ... Although Europeans are forgivable to you.
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 20 March 2020 09: 52 New
            -1
            and denotes a certain group of consumers, in order not to mention the operated class once again.


            Ooo, the middle class in the developed world is simply bent over from operation - a car, a house, a summer house in Miami, medical insurance at the highest level, children in a paid, private university, and with friends you can keep Chesna together for walks with families. Directly prepared sympathizers of the coming revolution.
    2. depressant
      depressant 20 March 2020 07: 36 New
      +17
      Very right, Sibiralt, you raised the question. It requires reflection. The question is fundamental. We will comprehend, and God willing, somehow unite in the struggle for our rights. The new era requires a new distribution of people into classes. Over there, a survey. There are not many poor people on the site. But this is on the site. I belong to the poor. But I am united with the middle and even the rich in the struggle not so much for their rights as for their rights. They will be fine, which means I will be better. Here is a new unification in political classes. Such a principle of justice.
    3. Victor N
      Victor N 20 March 2020 10: 40 New
      -11
      I didn’t see the owner of the means of production, the exploiter, but the head of the department — a hired, exploited one — but a rare bastard!
      Marx was wrong: ALL people are divided into a class of capable organizers and a class of performers. It’s easier, and therefore more correct.
      1. Yegorchik
        Yegorchik 20 March 2020 13: 57 New
        +7
        Quote: Victor N

        Marx was wrong: ALL people are divided into a class of capable organizers and a class of performers. It’s easier, and therefore more correct.
        It is strange that the most capable organizers in Russia have just left one section of judo.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 21 March 2020 09: 30 New
          -3
          There are catastrophically few capable organizers; this is our misfortune. No way without them!
  • Romey
    Romey 20 March 2020 07: 40 New
    +26
    First of all, he needs to award himself with a star, and then Sechin. Because, at least, I was aware of this multi-path, as a maximum by the author. So it turned out that the great grandmaster-thimbler on the first move shandaraval himself board on the head. To reach such heights, in the 80s the director of the CIA did not climb out of Riyadh. And then yourself ...
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 20 March 2020 10: 44 New
      +7
      So it turned out that the great grandmaster-thimbler on the first move shandaraval himself board on the head.
      ....... and scattered figures crippled the audience around him.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 20 March 2020 07: 50 New
    -27
    VeVePe, you don’t need to talk about the middle class, but to award the hero of Sechin with a star ....


    This is before you, something to blurt out you need to look at the source and not go on about the mediocre journalists who retype the lie.

    Putin in an interview said that the concept of the middle class is different everywhere and there is no single methodology, the World Bank proposes to consider everyone who receives it as the middle class — 1,5 minimum wages, but Putin did not say that he agreed with this, he cited this as an example and said that the task of the government is to improve the standard of living of citizens.

    The provocateurs pulled out part of Putin’s words and brought to the masses that Putin himself believes that in Russia 70% of the population is middle class without saying a word about the World Bank’s methodology that Putin cited as an example, and mediocre journalists began to distort the president’s words for hype, number and in.

    It is unfortunate that many are too lazy to see the source, but they are always ready to build angry commentary.
    1. Revival
      Revival 20 March 2020 13: 37 New
      +3
      Then the question is for him, he’s not ashamed that in his country, where he has been at the helm for decades, the size of the mole is so wretched that it doesn’t even fit in with the method, since the World Bank simply did not take into account that such a mohair is divorced from reality.
  • Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 20 March 2020 08: 51 New
    +3
    He was deceived by his own, ala test tube powell.
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 20 March 2020 15: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: Alex Nevs
      He was deceived by his own, ala test tube powell.

      And which year did they deceive his own? The 20th? Well, for at least eight years they are driving him all kinds of snowstorms. And then what kind of leader is this who cannot change his analysts? Rather, it’s also convenient for him: “they lie to me, I didn’t know anything, we’ll figure it out (on carrot conspiracies after a rain on Thursday, when the cancer on the mountain whistles)” It’s worthless to him.
  • Svlad
    Svlad 24 March 2020 09: 52 New
    0
    He worked here in a German company, they had a second-hand forklift driver. He complained about a low salary. 14 euros per hour.
  • VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 20 March 2020 06: 53 New
    +22
    The survey at the beginning of the article is incorrect. It is necessary to consider the income per family member.
    For example, a family of two, a husband’s salary 40tyr, a wife’s salary 20tyr. For each, an average of 30 sput.
    Another example, a family of four, husband husband 60tyr, wife's wife 30tyr. But for each an average of 22,5 sp. With significantly higher salaries.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 20 March 2020 07: 03 New
      +19
      Probably, the GDP made a reservation a bit - 17 rubles per person - this is also possible to make ends meet with the help of the garden. recourse Although half of this money may go to utility bills. request But to support children, a housekeeper or elderly parents with the same money is nonsense fool And if you get a dog or cat, then in general you can be put on trial for mocking animals. sad
      1. fleks
        fleks 20 March 2020 07: 17 New
        +17
        Or maybe one zero has zeroed the GDP, is this the trend right now?
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 20 March 2020 07: 18 New
        +9
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Probably, the GDP made a reservation a bit - 17 rubles per person - this is also possible to make ends meet with the help of the garden.

        On the lawn, near the entrance ... Luchchek, potatoes, carrots.
        1. bessmertniy
          bessmertniy 20 March 2020 07: 32 New
          +10
          All window sills in the apartment should also be let under hydroponics - in order to more effectively use the home space for growing food. wink
          1. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs 20 March 2020 08: 55 New
            +9
            Wait for the tax authorities laughing
          2. smart ass
            smart ass 20 March 2020 14: 08 New
            +4
            Yeah, did you buy a patent? Got on tax accounting? Did you check your onion for pesticides?
      3. VicktorVR
        VicktorVR 20 March 2020 10: 17 New
        +8
        Totally confused :). 17tyr per person, in seven 4 people - 68tyr per family. For our region, for this, the average wages of parents should be higher than the average for the city.
      4. Victor N
        Victor N 20 March 2020 10: 50 New
        -3
        Cat dogs are definitely harmful creatures, the food is very expensive.
        1. bessmertniy
          bessmertniy 20 March 2020 10: 53 New
          +5
          Harmful, allergic, they eat a lot, shit anywhere, and even they have to pay fines and treat them humanly - so that animal defenders have no complaints. request
      5. Revival
        Revival 20 March 2020 13: 44 New
        +5
        He did not make a reservation.
        Just if you bring his thought to the end, it turns out that
        the size of the mole is so miserable that it does not even fit into the methodology, since the World Bank simply did not take into account that there is such a beggarly moat that is divorced from reality.
        And for everything to fall into place, his thought in full form should sound something like this:
        "Here the World Bank considers the middle class of people whose income is from 1,5 moles on the basis of its quite decent size, but this technique does not suit us in Russia, because in our country a beggarly mole is divorced from reality."
  • Old partisan
    Old partisan 20 March 2020 06: 55 New
    +18
    The president and the government on another planet live and communicate with other people. And there the middle class is different.
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 20 March 2020 07: 03 New
      +20
      Quote: Old Partisan
      The president and the government on another planet live and communicate with other people. And there the middle class is different.

      on their planet, the average salary is more than 40000 rubles a month.
  • Titsen
    Titsen 20 March 2020 06: 56 New
    +18
    Any statistics - works for the one who organizes and publishes it!
  • kig
    kig 20 March 2020 07: 03 New
    +16
    Does he live in any other country?
  • arnulla
    arnulla 20 March 2020 07: 03 New
    +22
    Putin hollow
    1. novel66
      novel66 20 March 2020 07: 23 New
      +12
      already Yes! he didn’t allow himself like that before!
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 20 March 2020 07: 40 New
        -29
        First read what Putin said, and then resent.

        Putin just talked about the method of determining the middle class by the World Bank at 1,5 minimum wages, while he did not say that he agreed with this, on the contrary, he said that there was no single criterion for determining the middle class and the methods for Western countries did not suit us.
        1. novel66
          novel66 20 March 2020 07: 41 New
          +20
          Well, yes, so we and the homeless in the middle class will pass ..
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 20 March 2020 08: 05 New
            -23
            There are no words, do you even realize that Putin, speaking of the fact that there is no single definition of the middle class in the world, took the World Bank methodology as an example !!!

            Putin has never said that he agrees with this or believes that in Russia 70% is the middle class !!! On the contrary, he said that the task of the government is to improve the standard of living of the population !!!

            Like you, it’s not a matter of discussing military technology and political events, but just spreading stupid rumors with grandmothers in the bazaar.

            VO turns into a political info-wash.

            Check the information that you distribute !!!
            1. novel66
              novel66 20 March 2020 08: 24 New
              +19
              do not so zealously protect the person who just !!! just!!! noted that fuel prices are always rising! So what??
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                Ratmir_Ryazan 20 March 2020 08: 49 New
                -19
                do not so zealously protect the person who just !!! just!!! noted that fuel prices are always rising! So what??


                That is, in your opinion, the truth is no longer important?

                And for fuel prices in Russia to go for oil, they must be market first (look at the fuel prices in the EU, Canada, Mexico, and not just the USA), and then they will be determined by the market.

                Do you want so? Just think first what you will do when the oil goes to 100.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 20 March 2020 11: 16 New
                  +10
                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  That is, in your opinion, the truth is no longer important?

                  You better look at the minimum consumer basket. 7 pairs of socks for almost a year and a half (1,4). Pensioners already four couples rely on 1,9 years. That is, the middle class should wear a pair of socks a month and a half, and the middle class of pensioners - four months. The poor from pensioners with a minimum wage let him darn a couple of socks for six months. Which blockhead was that, interesting?

                  Try, count here, personally, my brains rolled up into a tube.
              2. Victor N
                Victor N 20 March 2020 10: 53 New
                -11
                So what?? Whom to plant to manage prices? Would you take it? Or scary?
                1. novel66
                  novel66 20 March 2020 10: 57 New
                  +11
                  I think there are professionals, only they were beaten off, the oil oligarchs defended, these poor fellows .. I am a professional in another, and engage in amateurism - thank you
            2. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs 20 March 2020 08: 57 New
              -2
              I support it everywhere.
        2. Varyag71
          Varyag71 20 March 2020 09: 45 New
          +12
          New kremlebot?
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 20 March 2020 11: 39 New
            +18
            New kremlebot?

            For a long time and repeatedly used bully
      2. evgenii67
        evgenii67 20 March 2020 16: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: arnulla
        Putin hollow

        Quote: novel xnumx
        already Yes! he didn’t allow himself like that before!

        For a long time, if I’m not mistaken, M. Zadornov called it a "bell", they say it rings beautifully and, as it were, everything!
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 20 March 2020 07: 38 New
      -34
      Putin hollow


      Wasteland is you, and Putin talked about the method of determining the middle class from the World Bank - 1,5 minimum wages, but he did not say that he himself believes that in Russia 70% is the middle class.

      First, read what Putin himself said, and then compare with what and how individual media write for hype and, unfortunately, even VO.
      1. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx 20 March 2020 09: 29 New
        +9
        Putin said: "I am against increasing the retirement age ..."
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 20 March 2020 10: 55 New
          -23
          And I am against increasing the retirement age. But there is no other way.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 20 March 2020 18: 11 New
            +4
            Quote: Victor N
            And I am against increasing the retirement age. But there is no other way.

            And regarding the "zeroing", I guess, is also against? But ... there is no other way?
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 21 March 2020 09: 32 New
              -6
              Yes! Putin is a worthy President!
    3. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 20 March 2020 08: 01 New
      +35
      - "she drowned" ....
      - “I want to pay attention - I am against extending the retirement age. And while I am president, such a decision will not be made” ...
      - "I think that we need to set a goal - to create up to 10 million modern, high-quality jobs in the next 15-25 years (this is not an easy, but, in my opinion, quite solvable task for Russia), of course, due to modernization operating industries "...
      - "the growth of wages in the economy as a whole by 2020 times by 3,3 compared to 2007" ...
      - "Housing of an average Russian family - about 100 sq. m by 2020" ...
      - "the transformation of high-tech industries and sectors of the knowledge economy into a significant factor in economic growth" ...
      - "The transformation of Russia into one of the world financial centers" ...
      - "reducing absolute poverty to 6–7% in 2020 and relative poverty (or low-income parts of the population) to 15% in 2020" ...
      - "reducing inflation to 3% per year" ...
      - "in the next five years, ensure almost complete independence of the country for all major types of food. Due to non-resource growth," spin up the flywheel of economic development at a rate of growth of 6-7% per year, and enter the top five largest economies in the world over the next five years .. " .
      - "Affordable housing is also understandable and fair prices for utilities. We should not put up with the fact that people get into your pocket." and "... restraint of tariffs of natural monopolies should restrain the growth of tariffs for housing services" ...
      - "I do not intend to change the Constitution under any circumstances" ...

      You can continue for a long time ... In general, a real man must answer for the bazaar ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 20 March 2020 08: 24 New
        +5
        But can politics be considered a real man ...?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 20 March 2020 09: 01 New
          +23
          Quote: novel xnumx
          But can politics be considered a real man ...?

          I think -Yes, there are politicians, history even knew women .. who can be considered a real man .. but automatically, such a politician turns into a Great .. Just Putin is mediocre .. who did not work poorly for the first two terms .. of course and the price of oil to him helped, but still not bad. But now he has finally come off reality. It was necessary to leave on time and there would be both fame and honor. And now he is pushing the country into the abyss.
      2. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 20 March 2020 08: 58 New
        -2
        Oh, you need to remember the cleaner EBN. They would have been pissed off.
      3. 72jora72
        72jora72 20 March 2020 10: 53 New
        +10
        - "she drowned" ....
        - “I want to pay attention - I am against extending the retirement age. And while I am president, such a decision will not be made” ...
        - "I think that we need to set a goal - to create up to 10 million modern, high-quality jobs in the next 15-25 years (this is not an easy, but, in my opinion, quite solvable task for Russia), of course, due to modernization operating industries "...
        - "the growth of wages in the economy as a whole by 2020 times by 3,3 compared to 2007" ...
        - "Housing of an average Russian family - about 100 sq. m by 2020" ...
        - "the transformation of high-tech industries and sectors of the knowledge economy into a significant factor in economic growth" ...
        - "The transformation of Russia into one of the world financial centers" ...
        - "reducing absolute poverty to 6–7% in 2020 and relative poverty (or low-income parts of the population) to 15% in 2020" ...
        - "reducing inflation to 3% per year" ...
        - "in the next five years, ensure almost complete independence of the country for all major types of food. Due to non-resource growth," spin up the flywheel of economic development at a rate of growth of 6-7% per year, and enter the top five largest economies in the world over the next five years .. " .
        - "Affordable housing is also understandable and fair prices for utilities. We should not put up with the fact that people get into your pocket." and "... restraint of tariffs of natural monopolies should restrain the growth of tariffs for housing services" ...
        - "I do not intend to change the Constitution under any circumstances" ...
        If I had money, I would open a line for the production of T-shirts and sweatshirts, and I would print these phrases on them, I would call it a series GDP promises
  • Amateur
    Amateur 20 March 2020 07: 03 New
    +12
    The real standard of living should not be considered from a single salary, but by the type of "bigmack index", i.e. how much a family can buy per month. For example, the number of kilograms of meat or bottles of vodka. Those who often travel abroad know that the price of the same thing in different countries differs significantly, but in terms of pcs / month for the average family is approximately the same.
    1. Loess
      Loess 20 March 2020 08: 30 New
      -10
      Quote: Amateur
      Those who often travel abroad know that the price of the same thing in different countries differs significantly.

      The price of the same thing at times can differ even in neighboring stores.
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 20 March 2020 15: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Less
        Quote: Amateur
        Those who often travel abroad know that the price of the same thing in different countries differs significantly.

        The price of the same thing at times can differ even in neighboring stores.

        Yes, it may be different. But not at times, but by several percent (in some cases, even without discounts - up to 20% for some products comes out, it depends on the network).
    2. dzvero
      dzvero 20 March 2020 09: 06 New
      +5
      There is another way to determine the lower threshold of the middle class - if you can buy 500 liters of gasoline or diesel fuel at your monthly income. With an average gas price of 46 r / l, the lower threshold is 23 rubles. We have about 000 euros (a liter of gasoline is now about 600-0.90 euros, we take a lot of stamina).
      And the minimum wage in the modern world is an abstract quantity, weakly attached to the realities of life. But you have it closer (17-23, the difference is 30%). We have a minimum wage of 300 euros, which is two times lower.
      I voted; purely for reference - I am on the border of 3 and 4 groups; in your zamkadye I’ll probably go for a snickering bourgeois, but here in Moscow ... we’ll be banned for determining, probably smile
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 20 March 2020 09: 45 New
        +18
        Quote: dzvero
        in your zamkadye I’ll probably go for a snickering bourgeois, but here in Moscow ... we’ll be banned for determining, probably

        Well, the division of Zamkadites-poverty and Muscovites-white-collar workers on us has already begun. I think that maskvastany in the current conditions is a parasite on the body of Russia, but I’d like to level you up with the average Zamkadites, maybe then you will go to rallies, and not watch and be happy, as you know, “the cow died”
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 20 March 2020 09: 59 New
          +2
          Where did you see the joy here? Yes, and I did not establish and approve the separation of income by signature. Urbanization - in most developed countries of the world, production is concentrated in several large centers, and the province (more or less eroded) is bent. As for "equalizing incomes" - if eta catavasia and epidemic are delayed, then by autumn they would not have introduced a coupon system instead of salaries, plus cash withdrawal (because banknotes carry infection and such offers are already voiced). We’ll wait, and those who survive will look ... smile
          1. 72jora72
            72jora72 20 March 2020 13: 27 New
            +6
            We’ll wait, and those who survive will look ... smile
            ....... "... And those of you who remain alive will envy the dead!" One-legged John Silver (s)
    3. Victor N
      Victor N 20 March 2020 10: 58 New
      -11
      The less you count, the more time you will earn.
  • edeligor
    edeligor 20 March 2020 07: 10 New
    +16
    Remember the Decembrists - they were supposedly too far from the people ... This is not the most "glamorous" statement of our guarantor. Personally, I was outraged when, when asked by a correspondent about SMS health care for children, he was lost. As they put it, "the coast has beguiled". With a whole army of assistants, whispered and other hangers-on, he does not own the situation! An extremely sad sight ...
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 20 March 2020 07: 25 New
      +19
      Quote: edeligor
      he does not own the situation!

      First, one official said - eat some "macaroni" enough and 3 thousand rubles for food, then the second one said that the state owes you nothing, live, study, be treated as you like .. Well, now the Guarantor - you get 17000 rubles. so you are the middle class, what else do you want, rejoice and do not deny yourself anything, you are a wealthy person. It seems that the tops live in some kind of their own world, but the lower classes, lower classes are still suffering, but people are really starting to become embittered.
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 20 March 2020 08: 59 New
        +2
        “The more democracy we have, the more we want the SS” - “Seventy Moments of Spring”.
  • bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 20 March 2020 07: 13 New
    +23
    I don’t know how others, but for me today would be comfortable earning somewhere from 100 a month or more. Since today there are five people left in the family. Wife at random part-time jobs, three - schoolchildren. Two older children grew up already on their breads, although they also need to somehow help. The same daughter - two preschoolers, who alternately ache. Earnings are random, because you can’t always get a job. And the husband at the next side job is now on a business trip to the Kuril Islands - he is installing some kind of equipment. He will return, and it is also unclear whether there will be work or again he will have to look for where his stainless steel welding, which is not very popular today, is needed. hi And the President’s words about 17 are like a sickle to me belay for the future.
  • fleks
    fleks 20 March 2020 07: 14 New
    +15
    Apparently also as a sovereign Democracy. Sovereign Internet. The GVP also introduces the concept of a sovereign middle class. And what he understands by it, we can only guess. For my family of two, it only takes about 22 tons of food ..... and more communal and so on
    1. Altona
      Altona 20 March 2020 08: 45 New
      +9
      Quote: fleks
      Apparently also as a sovereign democracy.

      -----------------------
      It can already be safely called the Second Empire, because it has unilaterally revised the social contract and appropriated new powers for itself, following the example of Napoleon Bonaparte, who was first Consul (one of three) and then became Emperor.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 20 March 2020 09: 02 New
        +13
        Quote: Altona
        following the example of Napoleon Bonaparte

        Putin is not Bonaparte .. Putin just wants power and money for himself and his entourage ..
        1. Altona
          Altona 20 March 2020 09: 11 New
          +8
          Quote: Svarog
          Putin is not Bonaparte ..

          ----------------------
          Volodya, I say how it looks legally. If you “reflash” the Constitution, you must resign and the others to resign, because according to the new Constitution the people did not give new powers to either the incumbent President or the current State Duma. But it turned out that they rewrote the Constitution and ruled further as they liked, they did not ask anyone. In principle, let them continue in the same vein, simply their legitimacy is already under a big question, so that they do not speak there. Then sanctions of Western countries will follow and we will be officially recognized as a dictatorship. They understand this perfectly, therefore there were reservations about the resignation of the Duma and so on.
          PS I was amused by one moment when Makarov or Neverov tried to find out the ration of the school breakfast and its cost in order to find out the budget expenses for this business. It turned out that it was necessary to develop criteria for calorie content, safety and blah blah blah. And then the terms were reset to zero literally in an instant. And no “social corrections” to you. That is, they will be stipulated in the Constitution, but then they must be deciphered in laws.
  • Gennady Korsunov
    Gennady Korsunov 20 March 2020 07: 15 New
    +10
    So he said that in 2020 the people will receive 2 American rubles, and this is already a bourgeois !! And then bam to the middle class. Demotion and salary ..
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 20 March 2020 07: 55 New
      +5
      Quote: Gennady Korsunov
      So he said that in 2020 people will receive 2 American rubles

      The guarantor of a sovereign and independent RF said that the country's population will receive income in the currency of a potential adversary ?!
      Yes, there can’t be such a thing! lol
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 20 March 2020 07: 17 New
    +13
    The concept of "class" is the complete inferiority of the state (power) which (it) is not able to destroy class. Recall the times of the USSR, the average salary in the country made it possible not to bathe about anything at all.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 20 March 2020 09: 00 New
      +1
      Everyone complained. ALL!
  • Greenwood
    Greenwood 20 March 2020 07: 28 New
    +24
    Ostap has been carrying something lately. Previously, he refrained from making loud and dubious statements. On this basis, Medvedev was more successful. Now, in the absence of Dimon, there was no one to carry nonsense, he himself had to.
    1. polar fox
      polar fox 20 March 2020 08: 00 New
      +13
      Quote: Greenwood
      Ostap has been carrying something lately. Previously, he refrained from making loud and dubious statements.

      Laurels of Chernomyrdin and Klitschko do not give rest ...
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 20 March 2020 07: 29 New
    +25
    The issue is resolved very simply. 17 mp middle class? Ok, to all deputies 3 × 17 = 51 tr per month. All! And the strong supervisory authorities of the UK. Revenues minus expenses for control.
    Questions? Once answered Medvedev (teachers), want money? Go to business, and this should be a vocation (to be a deputy)

    To argue that 17 tr standards and the middle class, and to receive 450 tr by themselves and at the same time + kickbacks and bribes are millions and somewhere and billions?
    Not friends, there is a boiling point, and already 99.9
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 20 March 2020 08: 08 New
      +12
      Quote: Fighter MoreThings
      Ok, to all deputies 3 × 17 = 51 tr per month.

      Salaries of deputies and top managers of state enterprises are calculated based on the salaries of the respective leaders of the world's leading economically developed countries. This was said by the fairy himself when he was asked about the salaries of Sechin and Miller. So here it is.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 20 March 2020 07: 34 New
    -27
    All the "wise men" who grin about Putin’s words, did you read or watch what he said?

    Putin said that the concept of the “middle class” is different in all countries and there is no single criterion, according to the methodology of the World Bank, the middle class is those who receive 1,5 minimum wages and if so, in Russia, 70% of those working are middle-class people !! !

    It’s not Putin who believes that 70% of people in Russia are middle class, he simply attached the World Bank’s template to Russia, and stupid and mediocre journalists pulled out a separate phrase from the speech as always and carried it to the masses.

    It is amazing what they do on VO as well, instead of the truth they began to search for hype in the news.

    Delete this post and don’t mess up.
    1. Altona
      Altona 20 March 2020 09: 22 New
      +10
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Putin said that the concept of the “middle class” is different in all countries and there is no single criterion, according to the methodology of the World Bank, the middle class is those who receive 1,5 minimum wages and if so, in Russia, 70% of those working are middle-class people !! !

      -----------------------------
      Trump receives a symbolic salary of the President 1 dollar per month, since he himself has a fortune. Our, khmm, "guarantor" of 1 million rubles of salary plus 45 million rubles / month for its maintenance. There is no single criterion. But who is more honest of them?
      1. Loess
        Loess 20 March 2020 11: 58 New
        -5
        In turn, RIA Novosti reports that Trump earned $ 2018 million in 479.
        In May 2018, it was reported that Trump's fortune declined by $ 100 million over the year to $ 2,8 billion. At the same time, Trump himself claims to have 10 billion dollars.

        Putin's income V.V. in 2019. During this period, he earned 8 rubles. It turns out that per month Vladimir Putin has an income of 648 rubles. According to the president himself, salary is the only source of his income.

        Trump without a salary for the presidency will be much easier to live ...
        From the moment Trump took office as president, he traveled “to the fields” as many as 227 times. According to estimates by the American media, Trump's golf games have already cost the treasury $ 109 million. Trump himself believes that his hobby is completely "inexpensive."
        What are there 45 million rubles. per month ... It’s golf business at the expense of the treasury ... In rubles, almost 7 billion is obtained ... And this is only the first term of Trump’s presidency. It’s good that Putin doesn’t play golf.
        PS
        NBC: Trump Family Protection Costs $ 2 Million Per Day
        Quote: Altona
        But who is more honest of them?
    2. UserGun
      UserGun 20 March 2020 14: 14 New
      +5
      No, this is precisely what the king thinks))) Because if a large number of the population had other incomes, at least as in Portugal, which he had been for 20 years !!! Carl, catching up, they would have been brought to them publicly))) Nothing smarter than how to make a good face, with a bad game, this king did not. True, his clown mine looks so-so, but don’t justify it))) I’m tired of listening to 20 years of “breakthroughs”, “jerks” and again hearing a lie that no one believes in and frankly laughs. That’s all, it’s already gone and the time is lost, even though you inject yourself with Botox a thousand times.
  • tatra
    tatra 20 March 2020 07: 34 New
    +18
    Sometimes Putin himself honestly talks about himself, but to understand this, you need to have logic. So, in 2012, by “galoshes” blaming the Soviet Communists for the responsibility of the economy created by him, he himself admitted that the economy he had created in 12 years is BAD. And now he honestly admitted that the result of his 20-year-old leadership of Russia is something that 70% of Russia's population have an income of $ 200 or less per month, and this is the level of the poorest countries in the world.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 20 March 2020 08: 32 New
      +10
      Well, you can understand him. Most likely he blundered like that because they slipped him an old training manual with the Oreshkinsky data of the Federal State Statistics Service that appeared from last year, which indicated that 24% of the population in Russia are “below the poverty line” and 6% are wealthy and well-off. About the "middle class", it did not say at all. So he calculated that the unnamed 70% is clearly the "middle class". The fact that the subject does not understand income levels at all and does not know how much the population actually earns is quite normal for such characters, it is impossible to know this, living in a separate world, regardless of the rest of the country, communicating only with his circle, court sneaky-lysolyudami and front "builders", "ice cream women", "pensioners", etc.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 20 March 2020 10: 14 New
        +7
        Vladislav Zhukovsky, economic expert:

        “If we are talking about deputies of the State Duma, the Federation Council and residents behind the Kremlin wall, then the share of the middle class is not even 70 percent, but more than 100 percent. Another thing is that the figures of Vladimir Putin have no relation to reality, to the life of ordinary Russians. This is just a very daring manipulation of numbers. When the president of Russia says that we are not France, not Germany, not the United States and the level of definition of the middle class in these countries is different, therefore the middle class in Europe is one thing and in Russia it is different, then with this technique we can say that all of Russia - not just the middle class, but wealthy. But what is called the middle class in Russia is called poverty and often even poverty in Europe.

        The very criterion voiced by Putin is incorrect. When you allegedly need to take a minimum wage, multiply by one and a half times, and this will be the lower threshold of the middle class - this methodology is even recognized by the World Bank as the most inaccurate, biased and conditional. The minimum wage is defined differently in different countries of the world. There are absolute indicators for determining the level of poverty, and there are relative indicators. The criterion that Putin called is generally endlessly divorced from life on the sinful Russian land, from the life of ordinary Russians.

        Based on this logic, the minimum wage can be reduced to 2 thousand rubles, multiplied by the Putin coefficient by one and a half times, and then we get that we have a middle class threshold of 3 thousand rubles. So what's next? If you have a salary of 10-20 thousand rubles, then you are the middle class? No, it's just poverty, poverty, social depression, doomed to lumpenization.

        In Russia, the minimum wage is about 12 thousand rubles, it is slightly more than the cost of living. That is, in Russia the minimum wage is $ 155 at the current rate. 155 dollars - this is in the countries of Europe, in the USA, in the OECD member countries - not just the middle class, the poverty level, this is absolute poverty. Even in the countries of Central and Eastern Europe, the minimum wage is from 550 to 800 euros, and in France, Germany, Italy - from 1 thousand euros and above. To tie the definition of the middle class to the Russian minimum wage, which is five, or even ten times lower than in Europe, the United States and even in Asian economies, is just tough manipulation and distortion.

        One cannot survive at the minimum wage in Russia; it is generally not compatible even with physiological survival. When the president says that in Russia the minimum wage is 12 thousand rubles, we multiply by one and a half times - it turns out 17 thousand rubles, and therefore in Russia as much as 70% is the middle class ... I just ask officials to leave the Kremlin wall from their limousines to the street, and preferably beyond the MKAD, and chat with people in Chelyabinsk, Ulyanovsk and Omsk, tell people that their salary is not poverty and misery, but the middle class ... He’s just a little more non-European, but more Russian, with spiritual bonds .

        Of course, this is not true. The real middle class in Russia today is made up of people whose incomes are at least $ 1 higher. This is 12-13% of the population, with a stretch. And 80% of the population is not just the middle class, but poverty and poverty. ”
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 20 March 2020 07: 35 New
    +1
    Is this a study for .... website advertisers? )))
  • Million
    Million 20 March 2020 07: 37 New
    +18
    This can only be called a familiar word for him: Yap!
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 20 March 2020 07: 39 New
    +12
    An interview with Vladimir Putin in which he argued that almost three quarters (about 70%) of Russia's residents can be attributed to the so-called middle class

    And that everyone was so excited, did another statement by someone surprise or clip thinking does not make it possible to remember what he said in 20 years? It is not for nothing that the people awarded the Guarantor with the well-deserved title “Fairytale”. lol
    The only thing that pacifies is that he tells “fairy tales” stably often and a lot ... And one wants to believe in them so much! lol
    1. tatra
      tatra 20 March 2020 08: 00 New
      +10
      Well, the fact that Putin has been telling fairy tales to the people for 20 years - how people live wonderful, and will live even more prettily with him is one thing, but sometimes Putin carries this, which is generally beyond common sense.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 20 March 2020 08: 19 New
        +6
        Quote: tatra
        but sometimes Putin carries this, which is generally beyond common sense.

        There is such a concept in modern Russia, the "new normality" is called. So looking on whose side to look at this facet of common sense. lol hi
        1. tatra
          tatra 20 March 2020 08: 33 New
          +11
          Well, yes, we have been observing this “new normality” since the time of Perestroika. In it, one country can feed the whole world, and countries can fall apart by themselves, because they have rotted, and people can defeat an enemy who has attacked a country despite the power of their country, throwing the enemy in corpses and shooting their soldiers in the back. And Lenin could ruin the USSR almost 70 years after his death, and Hitler was to blame for the poor demography of the Russian people under Putin.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 20 March 2020 10: 16 New
          +2
          It’s just that THESE and THIS have a minus sign.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 20 March 2020 07: 40 New
    +14
    laughing He lived for himself, and did not bother you too! Middle class. Transferred - they did not ask me. Looks like our requirements for the middle class are somewhat underestimated in comparison with other countries. Here, EKLMN, lucky! wassat
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 20 March 2020 07: 45 New
      +8
      In India, the middle class own a TV and scooter))))
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 20 March 2020 09: 03 New
        +4
        Here is BYAD! laughing There is no motor scooter.
      2. nerovnayadoroga
        nerovnayadoroga 20 March 2020 09: 42 New
        +7
        I bought a telly on credit, a small intestine is thin, so it’s not average, sadness, I have to put it to work, on the third ...
    2. Arlen
      Arlen 20 March 2020 08: 01 New
      +12
      apparently it turns out like this: is there education? There is a work? that’s all, you are the middle class! and it doesn't matter what your income is.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 20 March 2020 09: 02 New
        +4
        Apparently so. It seems a trifle, but nice. winked hi
      2. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 20 March 2020 09: 06 New
        0
        Country average income.
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 20 March 2020 10: 13 New
        +3
        In general, it is clear: you work - the middle class, do not work - the homeless. And the poor are pensioners.
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 20 March 2020 07: 44 New
    +20
    The Soviet government made 70% the middle class, not Putin. Apartments in stone houses Soviet power gave.
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 20 March 2020 07: 58 New
      +26
      Soviet power has given a lot to the country. Only the entire legacy of the Soviet system was plundered. The country still lives off of the Soviet heritage, but it does not last forever.
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 20 March 2020 08: 05 New
        +1
        The legacy of the United States has given 30 years to collapse.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 20 March 2020 10: 11 New
          +3
          What is it:
          The legacy of the United States has given 30 years to collapse.
          ? Please chew me dumb.
          1. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh 20 March 2020 10: 38 New
            0
            Have you noticed the last 30 years of the export of money and resources from Russia and Eastern Europe?
            About 1987 in the USA did not hear?
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 20 March 2020 10: 56 New
              +1
              Thank you, I read it wrong for the first time.
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 20 March 2020 09: 06 New
      +10
      By the way, the Soviet government gave free education to the majority of the population of the Russian Federation.
  • wellaut
    wellaut 20 March 2020 07: 51 New
    +22
    Recently unchangeable on TV has become indecent a lot. Frantic and aggressive propaganda. Sick.
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 20 March 2020 07: 56 New
      +16
      Quote: wellaut
      Frantic and aggressive propaganda.

      She is everywhere. Not only on TV. On the Internet, too, it became too much.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 20 March 2020 10: 09 New
        +2
        I agree, Mr. Norkin on Tsargrad TV yesterday noticed.
  • The comment was deleted.
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 20 March 2020 10: 16 New
      +11
      So he stands the temple. People are collecting children for operations, and these cattle are building another temple at our expense.
      And then they will declare GDP as the saint and governor of God on Earth and return serfdom
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 20 March 2020 07: 58 New
    +17
    I remember my grandmother, her kingdom of heaven, in her old age she was very strange. Grandpa is also strange, I watch.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 20 March 2020 10: 08 New
      +4
      It's too early, however! As if with such kookies he would not send us to paradise.
  • China
    China 20 March 2020 08: 07 New
    +7
    A strange situation is that the so-called PMCs are obtained by this method of calculation by the oligarchs.
    The Lord’s paths are mysterious, which means that they protect the interests of Russia in various parts of the world for the oligarchs for 150-250 thousand rubles ....
  • Chingachguk
    Chingachguk 20 March 2020 08: 11 New
    -15
    And below the middle class are they already beggars? Here, on the site, it is on this issue, I look one "poverty" taxis mainly? I understand correctly ---- those who squeal here on a site on the Internet, are these poor people?
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 20 March 2020 10: 07 New
      +12
      Judging by my pension, I'm a beggar. It is good that the earned is enough for a decent, albeit rather modest life.
      1. Chingachguk
        Chingachguk 20 March 2020 21: 31 New
        -1
        Have you earned abroad? As I understand it, on cold winter nights you do not bask in the barrel in which anything is burning? Do you probably have your own home? Or do you sleep in the streets wrapped in newspapers? Here we need a concrete definition - what the middle class means and what the poverty class means.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 21 March 2020 10: 36 New
          0
          Your sarcasm is inappropriate, Oleg!
          I wrote that I live on what I earned, and at home, with my head and hands. He did not speculate and did not steal; he paid taxes.
          Now by definition.
          1. What is the middle class. These are those people whose income allows you to buy housing not on a mortgage, who can afford to travel around the world around the world, and not just to Turkey or Egypt, a couple of times a year.
          Who has a special higher education. Something like that.
          2. The poverty class is those who are forced to live somewhere on the verge of life and death at a carefully calculated cost of living, which makes it possible to exist.
          3. A homeless person is a social concept. Or the person who has suffered a complete collapse, or a state of mind.
          1. Liam
            Liam 21 March 2020 11: 12 New
            0
            Quote: NordUral
            Now by definition

            That's right, except for a mortgage. A Western middle class buys housing on a mortgage for 90%. Although it would be because a typical house / apartment for the middle class is from $ 500.000 and higher. True% mortgage is 2/3% and they are deductible from taxes .
            The middle class is a class that can easily pay off a mortgage every month and afford all the other expenses.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 21 March 2020 14: 15 New
              0
              Could be so. But for me - it’s better to be the middle class without a mortgage in Russia. Their interest rate and ours .....
              And the fact of the existence of the USSR made them top sane, which can not be said about the Russians.
          2. Chingachguk
            Chingachguk 21 March 2020 21: 30 New
            0
            Do you think that the middle class is those people who can get money out of their pocket to buy an apartment, as well as allow themselves to relax twice a year, traveling around the world? It is with whom did you come to such an opinion, under Yeltsin? Under Putin, as I understand it, you live poorly? I am also not a shareholder of Gazprom! And I do not have a higher education. I am a simple welder. I have one apartment from my parents, a house from them, I go only once a year to the oceans for a couple of weeks. I have only one car. In the summer, mainly with my son and wife, we relax on the river, fishing, and barbecue. By your standards, am I a beggar? I'd like to understand, nevertheless, with whom did you earn your current living and what did Putin give you?
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 22 March 2020 10: 51 New
              0
              Oleg! I’ll start with the main question for you - Putin personally didn’t cheat on me. But he did nothing to make it better for me personally to work and live. And for the country, tens of thousands of disappeared enterprises, villages, hospitals, schools, etc. - This is what happened in his reign. In my opinion, he works to destroy the country.
              Now the middle class - I think of him that way and do not force you to accept my opinion as a directive.
              You, in your words, live a normal, prosperous life, approximately the same as a skilled welder lived in the USSR, I don’t see much of a difference. But this is not the middle class. But not a beggar at all, do not distort.
              Now about me. I earned in the 90s and in the 2000s, but it was I who made money. It was easier in the 90s, not always, of course, but since the 2000s it has been getting worse and worse. I have a normal housing, no car, age does not allow risk and health. Just a wealthy person who does not yet think what he will live on. I didn’t ride abroad when I worked, there was no time, but now there is no desire. But if what happens to my health seriously for my wife or I, I don’t know if there will be enough savings for the necessary treatment. I hope that I will manage while I manage with minimal communication with doctors.
              In general, I’ll say - I’m not the middle class, but also not a beggar, but this is thanks to myself, and not to the “guarantor”.
              1. Victor N
                Victor N 22 March 2020 17: 04 New
                -1
                “Tens of Thousands of Disappearing Enterprises, Villages, Schools” - You turned it down. Who succeeded, "thanks to himself" - he retained the enterprise. And many did not try, on the contrary. The president is the guarantor of order in the country, not a watchman. Everyone’s welfare is only a personal concern, hoping for help is unknown to anyone - this is recklessness. Remember how the former leaders even "hello" read out a piece of paper. But Putin is smart and his merit is that citizens can be proud of their country now.
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 22 March 2020 20: 40 New
                  0
                  Freedom - the will, believe that so.
  • Mimohod
    Mimohod 20 March 2020 08: 11 New
    +4
    Much more vital is the definition of the middle class as a stratum of people capable of satisfying not only their most pressing needs (for food, the most necessary clothes, hygiene items, etc.), but also those who have the ability to “afford something more”. For example, travel, entertainment, more expensive equipment or other things that are not essential items. Also important here is the ability to pay for certain social services (treatment, education), and to save.
    These are all pleasures and relaxation in a middle class position, somewhere from 100 thousand rubles a month of income, less is already from the category of demagogy ....
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 20 March 2020 10: 05 New
      +4
      Per person, you must add 100 thousand.
  • Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 20 March 2020 08: 14 New
    +8
    Evo how! Then I am not the middle class, but in general a millionaire! I could also afford a mortgage!
  • GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 20 March 2020 08: 19 New
    +9
    I would like to remind you that Vladimir Vladimirovich himself is used to living at 1.3 billion a month. So it was in 2019, this year expenses will still grow.
    1. Chingachguk
      Chingachguk 21 March 2020 21: 36 New
      0
      Tell me, what were the expenses of Yeltsin? I see you in the know who spends how much ... And what did Russia gain under Yeltsin? What dividends did the people receive with him? I also want to know how much Gorbachev earned, what joy brought his presidency to the Russian world? And why did he leave Russia to live in another country? Sooooo interesting to know about all this ......
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 20 March 2020 08: 24 New
    +9
    Quote: Clever man
    40% below the poverty line and 70% of the middle class) 40 + 70 = 100))))

    It is clear that there is Rosstat, there you can change the leadership, change the methodology and receive for communication to the people official normal indicators of wealth, poverty, etc. There is the World Bank, various institutions with their own methods of calculating all this. But there are also our special services that inform the president of the real situation in the country with prosperity, poverty, etc., so that he does not make imprudent statements! Surely, he has such information! And it seems there is a real problem if the President still decided on such statements!
    1. Roman12345678
      Roman12345678 20 March 2020 09: 03 New
      +3
      Surely, he has such information!

      Well, about the fact that they call him the king of the people, they reported to him ..))
      Maybe they just didn’t talk about Fairytale ..
  • Crystal of Truth
    Crystal of Truth 20 March 2020 08: 27 New
    +12
    The GDP decided to show off with knowledge and as usual get sick of the issue, but it turned out somehow not very ..
    Recently, more and more such things have happened to him ..
    What will happen after 24 years is scary to think
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 20 March 2020 11: 01 New
      +5
      The GDP decided to show off with knowledge and as usual get sick of the issue, but it turned out somehow not very ..
      Yes, somehow he’s been lately,not really.......
  • kalibr
    kalibr 20 March 2020 08: 28 New
    +15
    For 10 years now, I have been abroad every year. And I see who comes there as a tourist and on vacation. Many Germans, including senior citizens. I ask about retirement - 500 Euro women, 1000 men (on average), a lot - and very Chinese, Koreans and Japanese. There are all other "countries." But there are few Russians. Especially senior citizens. Not earned? And this is strange, both the Germans and the Japanese lost the war, but they live much better than us. And we ... we won it! By the way, my wife's pension is 7800 p. and if it weren’t for my books, articles and grants of the Russian State Humanitarian Foundation, we would be sitting in our country house.
  • Loess
    Loess 20 March 2020 08: 38 New
    -17
    Just yesterday, these people spoke about the manipulation of the media, and today they themselves after these media repeat different nonsense ... If only they looked at what they’re talking about ... In and by the way, the fake news laurels do not give rest? Okay, journalists - money doesn't smell. But commentators ... And then another generation of the exam, nodding and teaching ...
  • Altona
    Altona 20 March 2020 08: 39 New
    +20
    200 dollars a month (5 dollars a day + communal apartment) is by no means the middle class, but the level of African poverty, and this is by all methods. No need to cast a shadow on the wattle fence and use the underestimated minimum wage compiled by the Nazi rations of Auschwitz. negative
    PS A simple Russian woman asked him bluntly: "HOW TO LIVE AT 10800?" To this he could not answer. That's all.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 March 2020 09: 08 New
      +17
      Quote: Altona
      PS A simple Russian woman asked him bluntly: "HOW TO LIVE AT 10800?" To this he could not answer. That's all.

      Medvedev would say to this woman, go to business .. Putin is smarter, he thought so .. But in the end, he decided to express his idea of ​​the middle class to the whole country .. And, in fact, he immediately caught up with Medvedev .. And the road to him is the same. in retirement .. and it is better to retire at 11 thousand rubles ..
  • rocket757
    rocket757 20 March 2020 08: 43 New
    +11
    An interview with Vladimir Putin in which he argued that almost three quarters (about 70%) of the population of Russia can be attributed to the so-called middle class was pretty puzzling

    This is probably a joke !!! Puzzled ???
    but let’s print EXACTLY what the people SAY about this!
    I make my contribution PI PI PI ...... !!!
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 20 March 2020 09: 03 New
      +5
      And in the elections we will see the result. Just do not say, counterfeit. So many Wishing - "looking."
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 March 2020 09: 15 New
        +6
        Quote: Alex Nevs
        And in the elections we will see the result. Just do not say, counterfeit. So many Wishing - "looking."

        About the election or PI PI PI or nothing.
        In fact, it’s important that we are still forced to submit to the expressed “will of the majority” ... dermocracy however.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 20 March 2020 10: 01 New
      +7
      This is probably a joke !!!
      This is a mockery guys!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 March 2020 10: 24 New
        +5
        It makes no difference ... the lower ones are obliged to giggle, no matter what stupidity the upper one did not blur, such a command was given.
        But EQUAL, can afford to turn a finger at the temple ...
        The question is, why did we give such a privilege \ legal right, when the upper ones wanted to consider themselves as such \ could, but did not dare to show this so brazenly and clearly ???
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 20 March 2020 11: 03 New
          +4
          We weren’t very smart, we didn’t understand how they circled us around the finger, Victor. For people like me, the lure was an opportunity to get hold of their business, which I realized (not trade and not theft).
          And for two years when I was a district deputy, they convinced me that with the power that it had become by the mid-80s, we would not go far. But even then he did not understand how much power was rotten, especially at the top.
          So all the factors and massive processing of the 80s worked for the collapse.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 March 2020 12: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: NordUral
            And for two years when I was a district deputy, they convinced me that with the power that it had become by the mid-80s, we would not go far.

            it, as it were, BUT, it’s not for nothing that the people always said “from good, good, they’re not looking” or “the best, the enemy of the good”.
            MUDR people, but the little man turned out to be not very smart.
            Quote: NordUral
            For people like me, the temptation was an opportunity to get hold of their business, which I realized

            I had my own business before that. The specifics of the profession, ambulance for any electronics ... always in demand.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 20 March 2020 12: 40 New
              0
              And I did not have the opportunity, because there was no opportunity to buy either machines or materials.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 20 March 2020 13: 06 New
                +1
                there was no access (official, legal) to the means of production ... it was so.
                It’s easier for me - a soldering iron, a screwdriver, a head and hands, a bunch of other "little things" ... although, I had to get a good oscilloscope and devices, as well as many, many spare parts.
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 20 March 2020 13: 14 New
                  +1
                  There was a law to get it, which is right, but if it is equal for everyone. What was not observed already in the 80s.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 20 March 2020 13: 30 New
                    +4
                    And our "thieves" have always loved a freebie !!! repair an impor- tant electronics to a prosecutor, for example, or to the head of the Department for Economic Crimes and Politics ... and that’s all, you can continue to work and earn money quietly, especially since you won’t get rich on it, and it’s more difficult to take your head and hands from a person.
                2. dzvero
                  dzvero 20 March 2020 18: 13 New
                  +1
                  Soldering iron - it’s understandable, why the oscilloscope smile
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 20 March 2020 19: 21 New
                    +2
                    This guys could get along with a soldering iron or an iron ... and the technique is impressive, it’s such, you can’t get to it on a crooked soldering iron!
  • Sergei 23
    Sergei 23 20 March 2020 08: 53 New
    +13
    The Order began to inflame. Seen years take their toll !!!
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 20 March 2020 08: 55 New
    +10
    Rejoice, Russians! All but lumpen were transferred to the "middle" class .... laughing
    It seems that one of the "speechwriters" mixed up the textbook and remembered the student's past.
  • Roman12345678
    Roman12345678 20 March 2020 08: 59 New
    +5
    Some authors consider it a prerequisite for belonging to the social group that we are discussing that its representatives must have stable and legal sources of income, as well as savings,

    Quite a sensible remark .. What a middle class, without savings for any occasion ..
    And we have more than half the population lives in debt and mortgages .. So we conclude what class they are ..
  • Rust
    Rust 20 March 2020 09: 01 New
    +7
    It’s good to take into account the color of the salary. My annual income seems to be not bad, but there is no sick leave, vacation pay and other goodies. I guess I'm not the only one.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 20 March 2020 09: 18 New
      +5
      I have "buns", and the salary ends immediately upon receipt.
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 20 March 2020 09: 02 New
    +9
    Quote: kjhg
    Quote: Fighter MoreThings
    Ok, to all deputies 3 × 17 = 51 tr per month.

    Salaries of deputies and top managers of state enterprises are calculated based on the salaries of the respective leaders of the world's leading economically developed countries. This was said by the fairy himself when he was asked about the salaries of Sechin and Miller. So here it is.


    Everything is also very simply solved ... to pay a western specialist for a western one. Sorry, but Rogozin 5 × 17 = 85 tr ... that he will go to NASA? Well, let it go ... although who needs a journalist leader in the space industry? Moreover, to lead such a complex, responsible and important sphere.

    It’s the same with the sociologist ... who’s got Total or Exxon?) I would even give it and pay extra to get it) But he isn’t even needed there for free.

    Sechins and millers are Russian citizens and must accordingly have Russian salaries + - corresponding to their position and the average Russian salary, but not in 100 times.
    Weak?
    Rot it all and rot comes from the head!
    Therefore, they sucked with all bones and insolently hold on to power. Zero completely already.

    There will be salaries and pensions in the West, then there is no question about "how they have a salary there and among top managers and deputies."

    It’s great to be a deputy with a salary of 450 mp, you can calmly insist on increasing the housing and communal services ... i.e. 17 tr zp, housing 5 tr is about 35%. That's when 150 mp will be removed from the deputy for housing, then he will think ... and it’s just isolation from people's lives.
    About pensioners, you generally think and watch with pain and tears.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 20 March 2020 09: 58 New
      +5
      It’s great to be a deputy with a salary of 450 tr

      What is there to interpret about salary, this is a minuscule among them in comparison with side income.
  • aglet
    aglet 20 March 2020 09: 13 New
    +4
    Quote: bessmertniy
    Probably, the GDP made a reservation a bit - 17 rubles per person - this is also possible to make ends meet with the help of the garden.

    How can he know about this? He doesn’t even pay for utilities, and he has gas for free
  • aglet
    aglet 20 March 2020 09: 16 New
    +5
    Quote: kig
    Does he live in any other country?

    did you still not know? they are all there from another planet
  • aglet
    aglet 20 March 2020 09: 24 New
    +5
    Quote: kjhg
    leading world economically developed countries

    and what side is Russia here? Yes, and there- payment by the result, and not for the position held
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 20 March 2020 09: 25 New
    +6
    Quote: siberalt
    Who knows, besides the middle class, some other classes happen and by what principle do they unite within themselves? What is their class pride, for what idea, what is their unity and unity? winked
    Previously, everything was clear: the class of exploiters, the class of exploited for whose labor the first live and the peasantry - small private traders - producers of agricultural products working on the land. Now they’ve caught such turbidity so that it would not be clear who whose grave digger is.


    The middle class is approximately the one who
    - eats well and efficiently,
    - has a car,
    - once a year, resting abroad (travel),
    - pays insurance for honey, life, car, housing,
    - monthly attendance of cultural and entertainment events (theaters, museums, excursions, restaurants)
    - with a monthly salary has the ability to save 10-20% (make deposits in the bank, etc.)
    That's about ... For Russia, it is 100-120 tr rubles and this is only an average of $ 1500-2000 ... which is much less than in the European Union!
  • Strashila
    Strashila 20 March 2020 09: 26 New
    +9
    considering that in 2014 the minimum wage was 5 rubles, based on today's statements, then 554% of the population were middle class. It is only in our country that the government regulating the minimum wage can appoint the middle class as it wishes. The question arises: Does the Russian minimum wage comply with international standards? The correct answer is no, it does not match, it is underestimated by more than three times (this is information on 90 found on the Internet https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2017/2017/08/23.shtm), and after the latest events with currency then all five.
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 20 March 2020 09: 33 New
    +9
    It is strange at such an age and in such a position to speak such unfounded conclusions. I decided to pick up the laurels of Dimon. Not solid.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 20 March 2020 09: 34 New
    +4
    If you look at the rise in prices for apartments, cars, then we can say that we, like in other countries, have creeping inflation. "For only 195 thousand .." the advertisement says. If, according to Medvedev, poverty in Russia reaches 30%, then the rest means they got into the middle class. Jump. And that’s it.
  • TAMBU
    TAMBU 20 March 2020 09: 34 New
    +2
    no more than 8% of the world's inhabitants can boast of it

    it's closer to the truth ...
  • NordUral
    NordUral 20 March 2020 09: 53 New
    +2
    The World Bank is inclined to believe that everyone with an income of one and a half living wages (or the minimum wage, which is the same in our country) belongs to the middle class.

    He would have realized that something was wrong with the minimum wage, that the minimum wage was artificially lowered by him several times.
  • Dmitry Zverev
    Dmitry Zverev 20 March 2020 09: 55 New
    +5
    I voted, of course, but apparently it meant income if they paid a salary, but now they have stopped giving out salaries to me, and now I do not know my monthly income.