Are the Su-35S combatant ready for the confrontation with the F-22A? All hope for Vympel ICD


Undoubtedly, the highly maneuverable aerobatics of the 5th generation American multi-functional fighter F-22A, captured in Slow-Motion mode and published by amateur video reporter Tyler Rogway in the material of The Drive portal, did not leave indifferent audiences from numerous observers, military experts and specialists in the field of becoming a modern tactical aviation 4th and transitional generations. This is not surprising: after all, a detailed visual assessment of the aerobatic elements, performed both thanks to the advanced wing mechanics, and through the use of the thrust vector deflection system in the pitch plane, makes it possible to more accurately compare the flight technical parameters of the F-22A Raptor with similar indicators of such machines, like Typhoon, Rafale, and J-10A / B, which do not have OBT systems.


Ultimately, it is easy to conclude that a higher angular pivot speed and a much smaller bend radius, achieved by deflecting the nozzles in the pitch plane in the range of ± 20 degrees, provide the Raptor with an undeniable advantage in the “dog dump” with the above types of multifunctional fighters, not allowing them to “pull out” according to these parameters only to promising domestic multi-functional fighters Su-30SM, Su-35S and Su-57, equipped with an all-round OBE system and more advanced glider and integral arrangement figured with the developed at the wing root. And everything would be fine if Mr. Rogway, who at first glance objectively assessed the fact of the Su-35S domination over the Raptors in close air combat, would not have started to perform a song traditional for Western European and American media, according to which “F- The 22A Raptor will generally surpass the Su-35S in aerial combat. ”

At the same time, Rogway did not consider it necessary to give at least one weighty argument in favor of such an unambiguous conclusion, which is why we decided to dwell in more detail on comparing the potentials of the Su-35S and F-22A in mid-range air combat and long-range air combat. And here is a very interesting picture.

On the capabilities of the SUV fighter Su-35S, which did not take into account Mr. Rogway


Even despite the higher level of noise immunity of the AN / APG-77 airborne AFAR-radars as compared to H035 Irbis-E PFAR radars (due to the possibility of the formation of the first flexibly simulated radiation pattern with spatial “dips” in the direction of the enemy’s electronic warfare, which is achieved due to equipping each AFAR transceiver module with an individual microwave transistor and attenuator), inconspicuous fifth-generation fighters F-5A will not be able to seize the initiative in air battles at medium distances (22-35 km).

In this case, the presence of RVV-SD / R-35-77 ("Product 1-170") in their ammunition will be played by the presence of multifunctional Su-1S pilots. In contrast to the Reyteon air-to-air missiles AIM-120C-7 / D, which are part of the F-22A ammunition, the domestic air-to-air missiles RVV-SD have noticeably higher flight performance due to the use of lattice aerodynamic rudders. In particular, due to the lower moment (of the order of 1,5 kGm), the shortened lattice aerodynamic rudders can (without difficulty for steering servos) operate at angles of attack of 40 degrees, which provides the RVV-SD URVB angular rotation speed of 150 ° / s, as well as the available overload in 35-40G. Such maneuvering qualities can be realized by the R-77-1 missile throughout the entire solid propellant charge burnout period, as well as immediately after burning out (until the speed decreases to 2200-2000 km / h caused by aerodynamic drag). Guided air combat missiles of the AMRAAM family are equipped with classic aerodynamic rudders, providing maneuvers with overloads of no more than 27-30 units. and the angular rate of rotation of the order of 120 deg / s.

An equally important detail is the presence in the architecture of the weapon control system of the Su-35S passive optical-electronic sighting and navigation complex (OEPrNK) OLS-35, operating in the medium-wave IR (3-5 microns) and television wavelengths. Thanks to these complexes, the Su-35S crews receive a significant tactical advantage in dueling air strikes at medium distances, which consists in the covert launch of the URVB RVV-SD without the use of Irbis-E radars. In this situation, the warning about the RTR AN / ALR-94 installed at the Raptor stations will not be able to notify the pilots of the approach of the RVV-SD until the 9B-1103M-200PS active-passive homing head switches to active radar mode, which usually occurs on 12-15 km from the intercepted object. As a result, the Raptor crews will have a minimal “time window” for missile defense maneuvers.

As for long-range or ultra-long-range air battles at distances of 120-170 km, here, of course, all the trump cards will be in the hands of pilots of stealth F-22A fighters. With an effective reflective surface of 0,07-0,1 square meters. m, “Raptor” will be detected by the on-board radar “Irbis-E” at a distance of 120-160 km, while the more noise-protected radars AN / APG-77 (even in difficult jamming conditions caused by the operation of the container complexes of the electronic warfare Khibiny) locate the Su-35S (EPR about 2,5-3,5 sq. m) at a distance of 200-250 km. Consequently, the launch of long-range AIM-120D aerial combat missiles can be carried out from a distance of 170-180 km, while Su-35S pilots will have to approach the Raptors right up to the lines of launch of the RVV-SD missiles (at high altitudes - 110 km, on medium - 70-80 km), while performing anti-ballistic maneuvers, or intercepting attacking AMRAAMs with their own RVV-SD.

Only a speedy bringing to the level of operational operational readiness and further integration into the weapon control systems of the Su-35S combatant long-range air-launched missiles "Product-180", originally developed by the Vympel ICB specialists for the 5th generation multifunctional heavy fighters, can change this alignment. Su-57. These missiles are equipped with more powerful and “long-playing” (with a traction impulse of more than 250 s) dual-mode solid propellant rocket propellers, thanks to which they maintain decent energy and maneuverability even on the terminal section of the trajectory (at distances of 130-140 km), setting parity with the US standard AIM air combat missiles -120D.
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  1. Alexey Sommer 19 March 2020 06: 07 New
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    This is the first article by Eugene which in general coincides with my assessment. (I'm certainly an amateur)
    But I was always interested in the question, how can the Su-35 be able to show its advantages in maneuverability in a dog landfill if it is discovered by the F 22 earlier and fired from missiles from an invis?
    Just reading the article, again, it is not clear how the long-range product-180 will help in the fight against the enemy, which has not yet been discovered, but he sees you?
    1. mark1 19 March 2020 06: 35 New
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      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      how will the long-range product-180 help in the fight against an enemy that has not yet been discovered, but he sees you?

      As an amateur to an amateur. And due to what he sees us without being discovered? If at the expense of AWACS - then this is a completely different story for which you need another big rocket
      1. Alexey Sommer 19 March 2020 06: 38 New
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        Quote: mark1
        If this is AWACS - then this is a completely different story for which another large rocket is needed.

        I agree with you.
        Even new in the AWACS-AWACS layout, we find F22 later and he shoots first. Is not it?
        1. mark1 19 March 2020 06: 42 New
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          We take on escort later, and detect the radar immediately. As an amateur, I’ll say that I really don’t know if there are explosive missiles that are guided by the radiation of the enemy’s radar, but what in principle is in the way?
          1. Alexey Sommer 19 March 2020 06: 43 New
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            Quote: mark1
            We take on escort later

            This is the key, it seems to me.
            1. mark1 19 March 2020 06: 47 New
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              Under certain conditions, as when the irradiation signal, the REP is switched on and the anti-ballistic maneuver is performed.
              1. Alexey Sommer 19 March 2020 06: 57 New
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                Quote: mark1
                anti-ballistic maneuver is in progress.

                Let's imagine a collision of 2 F-22s against 2 Su-35s. They are supported on each side by AWACS.
                In this situation, the Su-35 is likely to be discovered first. According to target designation with AWACS F-22, four missiles will be launched one at a time (which would be for sure) and after that they will run as fast as they can. You will not climb into the den to the bear without a gun, and the F-35 pilots will evade the situation where the Su-22 will have an advantage.
                What are the chances for one Su-35 to evade four missiles during all maneuvers and electronic warfare? I think you understand that this is not 100%.
                1. mark1 19 March 2020 07: 16 New
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                  Let's first dot the i. I do not state at all. that the Su-35 would spin the Raptor on the LDPE tube as it wanted. It would be strange to make such statements. I’m just saying that with certain tactics and the availability of some technical means (such as an ultra-long-range anti-AWAX missile or explosive missile with a combined ative / semi-active seeker that targets radiation from the enemy’s radar), the advantages of the F-22 are significantly leveled. I also note. that the REP means on AWACS are much more powerful than on any fighter and they can suppress the target designation of the opposite side.
                  Those. - if the Americans are ready to meet and we are not. then they beat us with a high degree of probability, if on the back we beat them, if both sides are ready then it will be difficult for everyone, but it will be somewhat more difficult for us.
                  1. Sergey Sfiedu 19 March 2020 20: 11 New
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                    The Yankees of the AWACS are like uncut dogs, but the cat wept.
                  2. Nikolay3 19 March 2020 20: 34 New
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                    Damantsev! I’m not tired of writing nonsense and showing my conjunctuality from time to time! It’s necessary, my friend, to have an opinion, and not hang out...
                    The American company Lockheed-Martin consciously, for advertising purposes, gives the lowest possible, peak, under ideal conditions from a certain direction, image intensifier tube (effective reflective surface) F-22 equal to 0,0001 square meters. meter (HOP hornet) in the front hemisphere, what is an incorrect EOP parameter, for calculations taken the average value of the image intensifier, in this case, in the front hemisphere. They also announced the F-35 image intensifier equal to 0,005 square meters. meter (image intensifier ravens) that is an invalid EOP parameter, the average value of the image intensifier, in this case in the front hemisphere, is taken for calculations. According to Russian experts, the average value of the F-22 image intensifier is 0,3-0,5 square meters. meter. Given that the F-35 image intensifier is larger than the -22 image intensifier and the stealth is worse, we choose the image intensifier factor = 0,3 sq. meter. And the image intensifier = 0,5 square meters is chosen for the calculation of the Su-57 and the image intensifier = 1,5 square meters. meters for the Su-35S.
                    1. Radar N035 "Irbis" with PFAR Su-35S detects targets with an image intensifier = 3 square meters at a distance of D = 400 km, and F-22 (F-35) at a distance of D = 224,937 km.
                    2. Radar N036 "Squirrel" with AFAR Su-57 detects a target with an image intensifier = 1 square meter at a distance of D = 400 km, and F-22 (F-35) at a distance of D = 296,033 km.
                    3. Radar AN / APG-77 with AFAR F-22 (AN / APG-81 with AFAR F-35) detects a target with an image intensifier = 1,2 sq. meters at a distance of D = 241 km, and Su-57 at a distance of D = 193,626 km.
                    4. Radar AN / APG-77 with AFAR F-22 (AN / APG-81 with AFAR F-35) detects a target with an image intensifier = 1,2 sq. meters at a distance of D = 241 km, and the Su-35S at a distance of D = 254,827 km.
                    Note: in some technical literature for US radar, a target detection range with an image intensifier of 3 square meters is given. meters D = 300 km in the front hemisphere, which when counting gives the detection of targets with an image intensifier = 1 sq. m at a distance of D = 227,951 km, Su-35C at a distance of D = 252,269 km, and Su-57 at a distance of D = 191,683 km .
                    The Russian Squirrel N036 radar is superior to the US radar in detection range, which allows the Russian Su-57 to detect US fighters earlier and is guaranteed to destroy them with an R-37M air-to-air missile (with a range of 300 km) up to the line of their long-range missile use AIM-120 equal to 180 km.
                    Su-35S will detect F-22, F-35 later, however, it is guaranteed to destroy them with an R-37M air-to-air missile (with a range of 300 km) up to the turn of their long-range missile AIM-120, equal to 180 km.
                    F-22, F-35 will detect C-35C earlier, but they cannot destroy him in view of the absence of a long-range missile with a range of more than 180 km, then they will themselves be destroyed from a distance of D = 224,936 km when the radar N035 Irbis is detected.
                    All calculations are for free space.
                    Russian radar systems are not inferior in interference immunity to American radar systems, if not superior.
                    These calculations are approximate according to open data on the Internet!
                    1. Nikolay3 19 March 2020 20: 41 New
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                      Damantsev! This is about LPI mode F-22, F-35 ...
                      LPI mode for detection distances has nothing to do with the maximum or working radar detection distances. because it is determined by other parameters (processing noise-like signals).
                      The maximum distance in theory is up to 55 km, in real life less than 50 km. in the complete absence of jamming from the enemy, because this mode is very sensitive to the noise component.
                      This distance is on the border of the detection distance of an aircraft operating in LPI by means of optoelectronic target search. For fighters of the last generation, it approaches 60-70 km. for subtle targets in the infrared range.
                      This mode is convenient to sneak up to the enemy’s newest aircraft, while remaining invisible. When meeting with an aircraft that has a modern detection OEC, as well as with the operation of electronic warfare systems, all its advantage is reduced to zero.
                2. Nikolay3 19 March 2020 20: 52 New
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                  Quote: Alexey Sommer
                  Let's imagine a collision of 2 F-22s against 2 Su-35s. They are supported on each side by AWACS.

                  And let's imagine the use of the S-400 with the 40N6 (E) anti-aircraft missile and the use of the Patriot at a range of 400 km! And how long will your E-3 (Sentry) live?
        2. Nikolay3 19 March 2020 20: 57 New
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          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          Even new in the AWACS-AWACS layout, we find F22 later and he shoots first. Is not it?

          And with what - you will shoot at a range more D = 180 km, nothing ... And the Su-35S will hit the F-22 at a range of over 180 km with the R-37M missilewith range
          D = 300 km when F-22 is detected at a distance of D = 224,937 km. That's the whole layout, not in favor of the F-22!
          1. Nikolay3 20 March 2020 13: 51 New
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            Evgeny Damantsev, "strategist"! No more writing material without checking other people's erroneous data and generating wrong opinions.
            Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev
            With an effective reflective surface in 0,07—0,1 sq. m, "Raptor" will be detected by the airborne radar "Irbis-E" at a distance 120-160 km, while the more noise-protected AN / APG-77 radars (even in difficult interference conditions caused by the operation of the Khibiny electronic warfare container systems) will be able to detect Su-35S (EPR about 2,5-3,5 square meters. m) on removal 200-250 km.

            Complete ignorance and inability to make radar calculations. According to open data, the Su-57 image intensifier is equal to 0,7 - 1 m2, I have taken the value of 1,5 m2, as in Rafal. Carefully watch the suspension of weapons, you will understand a lot - this is confirmed by calculations with feedback ...
        3. Gogia 20 March 2020 11: 24 New
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          There is something else interesting. If a bunch of Su-35 and MIG-31 with F-22
          During the Iran-Iraq conflict, Iraqi MIG-25s flew over Iran and could not be shot down by either ground-based air defense or F-14. In Iraq, the MIG-25 passage with the F-15 and F-18 could withstand. Despite the fact that the missiles on it were R-40 (dull G ...) The most interesting thing for Iraqi pilots was able to get away not even from 1 missile but from 5 or 7 AIM-120 or AIM-9 missiles (this is taking into account the fact that the moment was 15-20 years older than the enemy (like his missiles)
          I think the layout of the Avax and F22 on the A50M + MiG-31 and SU-35 will be very puzzling to the Amers, since the range of the shot at Avax is 350 km from the MiG-31, and the A50m electronic warfare quite detects LINK16 and the indirect presence of the f-22 near the AWACS no one will question. Another plus is the passive IR system, which the aim120 missile can see at 25-30 km - the P60 to help. In general, the F-22 without AWAX is a bit of a castrate ... But a breakthrough into the AWACS destruction zone, even at the cost of losing the MIG-31, is a good exchange.
      2. Kalmar 19 March 2020 09: 50 New
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        As an amateur to an amateur. And due to what he sees us without being discovered?

        Take me to your amateurs! So, somewhere infa came across that the F-35 and, apparently, F-22 radars have operating modes in which space is scanned by short low-power pulses. This allows you to find the enemy without "flashing" yourself (in any case, with sufficient accuracy to launch missiles).
        1. mark1 19 March 2020 10: 21 New
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          Quote: Kalmar
          space is scanned by short low-power pulses.

          And how does this affect the detection range? A low-power impulse - a short range, or not?
          And if our side goes over to passive mode + the presence of OLS?
          1. mark1 19 March 2020 11: 16 New
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            Actually, if the post is made in interrogative form, you should probably first clarify what is annoying to the expert in my question, and then minus it. Otherwise, the impression is that the minuser simply "... galloped around the city ..."
        2. basmach 19 March 2020 11: 07 New
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          Actually, in the review mode all radars work this way (and not only radars, the same “Maple-54” airdrome worked in my time as well-range measurement-1Hz, target illumination-10Hz). The warning is triggered when the target is illuminated for the operation of the RSS. I did not study the RVV at the school, and the R-27 during the oncoming launch (R-27E up to 100 km) most of the route goes in passive mode with correction via the command channel. Target capture goes on the last third of the route - then the radar and goes into target illumination mode for the WGPS (TGSN captures itself).
          1. ultra 19 March 2020 17: 04 New
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            also-range measurement-1Hz, target illumination-10Hz)

            Probably still GHz. hi
            1. basmach 19 March 2020 21: 30 New
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              No. Laser rangefinder. Pulse frequency 1Hz in measurement and 10Hz in backlight
          2. Gogia 20 March 2020 11: 28 New
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            TAs like noise-like low-power pulses of different frequencies that are not detected by EW stations. But the detection range in this mode should be small. (approximately at the level of operation of the old AIM-120 versions. Another interesting thing is that if the Su-35s go at different heights, then the F-22 exposure angle is not in the normal plane and if the Su-35 radars work in conjunction, then the exposure angles do not correspond to the minimum reflection diagram - and then the reflection area f-22 increases several times :))))
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    2. figwam 19 March 2020 06: 38 New
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      provide "Raptor" an undeniable advantage in the "dog dump" with the above types of multi-functional fighters

      Rafal several times caught Raptor in the tail,


      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      But I was always interested in the question of how the Su-35 will be able to show its advantages in maneuverability in a dog landfill if it is discovered by F 22 earlier

      In Syria, the Su-35, remaining unnoticed, caught the F-22 in the sight and could bring it down.
      1. Alexey Sommer 19 March 2020 06: 42 New
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        Quote: figvam
        Rafal several times caught Raptor in the tail,

        So these are the exercises where there was a canine dump they trained. Were playing!!!
        In a real battle, F22 will not let Rafal get close.
        Quote: figvam
        In Syria, the Su-35 caught the sight of the F-22 and could bring him down.

        And how do you know that F 22 wanted to hide? Look, the Dutch seem our Su 35 took the same over the Baltic in sight and so what? Everyone flies about their business does not fight. Why run?
        1. EvilLion 19 March 2020 08: 33 New
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          In real combat, aircraft perform a combat mission, respectively, the F-22 lapel means the disruption of its implementation. Well, no one canceled the tactics.
          1. Alexey Sommer 19 March 2020 11: 57 New
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            Quote: EvilLion
            In real combat, aircraft perform a combat mission

            In a real fight, it won’t get to the dog dump, how can I explain this to you ?!
            From inviza knock. This is not the second world war on the I16, this is the 21st century!
            And over-maneuverability will not help from a rocket, because the plane has a maximum overload of 10g, and the rocket has 30g! Catchs up and knocked down, if you do not twist with a high probability.
            The first saw, the first shot, this determines victory!
            Minus if you do not like it, just do not take offense at the truth.)
            1. Hexenmeister 19 March 2020 12: 25 New
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              How simple it is for you:
              And over-maneuverability will not help from a rocket, because the plane has a maximum overload of 10g, and the rocket has 30g! Catchs up and knocked down, if you do not twist with a high probability.

              Since we are not considering close combat, when launching over long ranges, the rocket will have both an active and passive flight section, and any maneuvering in the passive section will lead to a missile’s loss of energy, and the missile’s flight time will also be significant, so even a simple turn of the target by 90 degrees with subsequent climb and speed, it will lead to the fact that without any super-maneuverability the rocket does not have enough energy to reach the target in the new conditions.
            2. EvilLion 19 March 2020 12: 28 New
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              As you explain, in a real battle it makes sense only to strike at ground targets, the F-22s can cover their drummers, or intercept enemy ones. Accordingly, if they cover, they can’t go anywhere from them, but with such tasks they can fly anywhere, while intercepting them they must frustrate the enemy. Accordingly, in all cases, who will come out to whom at what direction angles, and at what distance will the detection occur, to put it mildly, unpredictably. This is not a jousting tournament with two riders moving oncoming courses.

              As for the missiles, their range actually depends on the height and speed of the carrier at the time of launch, and the ability to maneuver briefly energetically leads to a loss of kinetic energy, so shooting from theoretical detection distances can be safely equated to a shot in white light even without electronic warfare . This despite the fact that the presence of any S-400 can drive everyone to low altitudes. In general, medium-range missiles have shown over the past 30 years not a very high percentage of hits, the recent withdrawal of the Syrian Su-22 from the Turk, for example.
            3. Monter 19 March 2020 18: 46 New
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              Oh well. Many years ago I watched such a picture - the "number plate" was the first to see a running hog, the first to shoot. But this did not determine his victory. Although no, there was still a victory, but it consisted in the fact that the “license plate” was able to climb a tree, but there was no boar. The first shot, it does not necessarily hit.
            4. Pathos 19 March 2020 22: 56 New
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              Oh really???? And why then install an aircraft gun on jet planes ??? Is rockets enough ???? Why in Vietnam, both ours and the Americans began to hang cannon containers on the mig 21e and phantoms ???? Initially, on these types of aircraft guns nebylo were only rockets. Probably military fools and so from the flashlight for fun hung guns. In a REAL BATTLE AT A FULL-SCALE WAR, it’s just a matter of getting to the dog landfill, first you need to shoot down bombs of which there can be 30 pieces and fighter planes to battle, but there such a mess on turns will not start until the rockets capture the target choose the rocket to launch the enemy will trust nose at 2 degrees a bucket of lead is planted in you (a second volley of guns of about 10 kg.) you do not need to watch the Syrian experience where they fly in pairs and bomb pointless without counteracting enemy aircraft.
          2. Gogia 20 March 2020 11: 38 New
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            That's right. If Avax is downed, the mission is failed. And Avax is a wonderful target. He and 10 missiles do not mind. He himself stands under 300 lyam ...
        2. figwam 19 March 2020 08: 38 New
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          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          So these are the exercises where there was a canine dump they trained. Were playing!!!

          The fact is that Rafal was able to twist the Raptor, this suggests that the Raptor has no super-maneuverability.
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          And how do you know that F 22 wanted to hide?

          Because this is a well-known case when the Raptor tried to prevent the attack of our Su-25s, but the code realized that he himself fell into the sight of the Su-35, went to Iraq.
          1. Alexey Sommer 19 March 2020 11: 51 New
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            Quote: figvam
            Because this is a well-known case when the Raptor tried to prevent the attack of our Su-25s, but the code realized that he himself fell into the sight of the Su-35, went to Iraq.

            Are you sure it was?
            Or do you want it to be like this?
            ps And how exactly could the F-22 prevent our Su-25s from describing roughly?
            1. EvilLion 19 March 2020 12: 29 New
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              As the Su-25 pilot described, Amer interfered with him, turned around, created an emergency. I had to call a patrol.
              1. Alexey Sommer 19 March 2020 16: 52 New
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                interfered with him, spun around, creating an emergency.

                That is, he did not hide. Just interfered, pinned.
                1. EvilLion 20 March 2020 12: 31 New
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                  For example, the first pictures of the Su-27 near the west were received just after a similar incident, when the Su-27 pinned on the Orion and eventually collided with it so that both were waiting for repairs. This is without taking into account the fact that the Su-25 pilot does not know at what point a potential enemy in conditions of armed neutrality will become real. After all, the Americans fired on the Syrians.
          2. EvilLion 19 March 2020 12: 31 New
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            The fact is that the Rafale has a very large wing area, which means that its horizontal maneuverability must be very good.
      2. Ovrag 19 March 2020 08: 07 New
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        Remind. How many decades ago did the last BVB take place between modern fighters? Not at the training ground. And in battle.
        1. EvilLion 19 March 2020 08: 35 New
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          In 1999, in my opinion, between the Su-27 and MiG-29 in the Ethiopian-Eritrean war.
          1. Pavel57 20 March 2020 01: 28 New
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            In the Ethiopian-Eritrean war, the collisions of the Su-27 and MiG-29 were at medium ranges.
            1. EvilLion 20 March 2020 12: 34 New
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              At medium range there, the EMNIP only the first MiG was shot down, and the description does not give any details at all, except for the launch of a rocket, which after a while hit the MiG. Perhaps he did not try to counteract.
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                What is available is the duel situation of the MiG-29 against the Su-27 on R-27 missiles. Su-27 captures and starts earlier, these 5-6 seconds are enough to win. Before the "dog fight", where the MiG-29 could prove itself, the matter did not reach.
        2. neri73-r 19 March 2020 08: 59 New
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          Quote: Ovrag
          Remind. How many decades ago did the last BVB take place between modern fighters? Not at the training ground. And in battle.

          Based on your logic, fighters are not needed at all (or as an option beyond maneuverability), but there is nuclear weapons! fellow
          Moreover, once the Yankees didn’t put guns on fighters, why ......., it cost a lot, now they even cost F-22 !!!
          1. Ovrag 19 March 2020 15: 39 New
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            You never know what happened. Since then, technology has made a dream come true. What you could only dream of in the 60s. Now daily. Yes, my kettle is smarter than the weight of an air defense system of the 60s several times.
            In general, BVB now is not relevant. What will happen next will be shown. Clouds of drones and that’s all.
            1. neri73-r 19 March 2020 15: 47 New
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              In general, BVB now is not relevant.

              How categorical and clever you are, smarter than designers, scientists and the military, who are still only guessing about what is more necessary and relevant! This can only be shown by the war, which was when the Americans removed the cannons, they also thought they would take racquets and take speed, but it turned out that speed was not an obstacle to the use of guns.
      3. Gogia 20 March 2020 11: 41 New
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        Raphael pilot is handsome !!! I almost punished him, but I got the amer !!! wassat
      4. Federal1 23 March 2020 16: 33 New
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        Well, what should be "smart" to believe in fairy tales about the "unnoticed"? how old are you? What do the Americans report to you in a report? What it was necessary to shoot down well, they flew and parted What underdeveloped people are kapets ...
      5. Federal1 23 March 2020 16: 34 New
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        Well, what should be "smart" to believe in fairy tales about the "unnoticed"? how old are you? What do the Americans report to you in a report? What it was necessary to shoot down well, they flew and parted What underdeveloped people are kapets ...
    3. Konstantin Shevchenko 19 March 2020 07: 46 New
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      if it will be detected F 22 earlier and fired from missiles inviz?
      from what distance f-22 will shoot with confidence generating at least 35% of the Su-80? At this distance will the F-22 be seen? Do you consider the speed of rapprochement on the decision to fire air-to-air missiles? What should the F-22 do after a shot? Rewind fishing rods or fly to meet fate.
      1. Gogia 20 March 2020 11: 47 New
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        After a shot, an attack of 45-50 km is already clear as the zone from where they were fired, even if there is time to defeat the missile from the front hemisphere — with a R-60 rocket or anti-missile maneuver, and the f-22 location zone will be clear.
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          I understand this, I asked questions to the doubting Alexei Sommer. The location of the F-22 will be known initially, the SU-35 for mushrooms in the forest do not raise wink .
    4. Aerodrome 19 March 2020 08: 22 New
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      But I was always interested in the question, how can the Su-35 be able to show its advantages in maneuverability in a dog landfill if it is discovered by the F 22 earlier and fired from missiles from an invis?

      unlikely circumstances.
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        Quote: Aerodrome
        unlikely circumstances.

        Is a dog dump more likely in your opinion?
    5. EvilLion 19 March 2020 08: 30 New
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      What inviza? OLS on the stealth do not care, and the detection range of the F-22 Irbis is claimed to be 90 km. Plus AWACS of various types. Network-centric warfare is just not in the hands of stealth.

      Nobody canceled their own radiation, even with the pseudo-random frequency tuning mode.
    6. Hermit21 19 March 2020 09: 51 New
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      First you need to find an idiot who will shoot at a modern fighter, not even for 100+, but for 70-80 kilometers. Our Mr. Technical Terms are not aware that the launch range depends on the performance characteristics of the target, and the faster and more agile it is, the shorter the launch range.

      With EPR, he also screwed up, although he did not write once replicated nonsense about 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000001 m2 (I exaggerate, if that). The figure given by him is characteristic of the decimeter range when irradiated strictly "in the forehead," when the angle is changed, the value will increase. In addition, aerodynamic heating, possible minor damage to the skin also increase the EPR
    7. Stalllker 19 March 2020 16: 01 New
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      And on drying there is no radiation detection station ???? Doesn’t the plane detect itself including the radar ???
  2. Pecheneg 19 March 2020 06: 08 New
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    At least some joy in our time. I would like that it was so, as the author of the article wrote.
  3. 75 Sergey 19 March 2020 06: 21 New
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    We still have to live up to the “dog dump”, the imported cars have long arms and long-sighted eyes, yeah, they will let us in ... and maneuverability is needed here to get away from their long-range missiles (if we find out), and these missiles themselves can be very highly maneuverable themselves.
    1. Hermit21 19 March 2020 10: 33 New
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      The effective launch range of the long-range air-launched missiles for a highly maneuverable target is 40-50 kilometers. This is almost a BVB.

      And for some reason, in the minds of the average man, western fighters are armed entirely with Meteors or AIM-120Ds with a range of 180 kilometers (actually 120-130), radars exclusively with AFAR with a range of at least 300 kilometers and they can easily throw any enemy with missiles for 100+ kilometers. Only reality is very different from popular prints
      1. 75 Sergey 21 March 2020 06: 56 New
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        The cost of long-range missiles is lower than the cost of the aircraft, and even taking into account the cost of operation.
        It’s easier to shower, since she’s no longer a “fool” flying in a straight line, and they’re all right with maneuverability.
        1. Hermit21 21 March 2020 07: 46 New
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          Someone very wrongly imagines the process of launching an air-launched missile system beyond the line of sight. In the view of the average man, a fighter pilot, having discovered an enemy target, launches a rocket for 100+ kilometers, turns around and calmly flies away. Because the missile has a radar homing head, which itself will find the target and destroy it.

          In reality, the main difference between the ASWG with the ARLGSN and the PALGSN is that it does not need guidance from the carrier to the final plot when it can capture the target of its own seeker. Prior to this, it must also be "led"
          1. 75 Sergey 22 March 2020 06: 14 New
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            This is already in the past.
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              What is in the past?
    2. EvilLion 19 March 2020 12: 32 New
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      So we let them in. They will crawl near the ground, if only the air defense system does not come across.
  4. Amateur 19 March 2020 06: 30 New
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    Even in spite of the higher level of noise immunity of the AN / APG-77 airborne AFAR-radars in comparison with the N035 Irbis-E PFAR radars (due to the possibility of the formation of the first flexibly simulated radiation pattern with spatial “dips” in the direction of the enemy’s electronic warfare, which is achieved due to equipping each AFAR transceiver module with individual microwave transistor and attenuator)

    Well, how many times do you need to explain to the Damantsev text generator that beamforming technology (AFAR / PFAR) is not the main criterion for the qualitative characteristics of the radar. This is a journalistic stamp.
    1. Hexenmeister 19 March 2020 09: 22 New
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      I agree, only here is one more point, according to the "text generator" for "high noise immunity" you just need to determine the angular coordinates of the jammer and create a "failure" in the beam. But this is the question, and why did he get the idea that any jammer can be direction finding ??? And I’ll answer it myself, even in ancient times, methods were developed for jamming, in which the jammer is not direction finding. Well, since there is no bearing, then there is no "high noise immunity", because you do not know where to cut the DN, and another advertising and journalistic stamp flies into the trash.
      1. Amateur 19 March 2020 09: 30 New
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        Unfortunately, there are more and more “Nikiforov Lyapis-Trubetskoys” among authors who have a locator on a fighter and VNEU on a submarine the same “fast jack”. At the same time, they cover their technical illiteracy with the size of their pouting cheeks.
      2. EvilLion 19 March 2020 12: 34 New
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        There were dipole reflectors in WWII. :) Go find this cloud.
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          It was a question of active jammers, and reflectors are a passive hindrance, and they still do not affect everyone.
  5. Strashila 19 March 2020 07: 21 New
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    NATO tactics, using the example of Pakistan and Turkey, launching explosive missiles from the greatest possible distances.
    So, they will definitely not bring to the dog dump.
    We are expecting a new round of arms development, anti-missiles or another version of "homing aircraft grenades" for intercepting attacking missiles depending on the attack zone to start with thermal radiation.
    For this, you can use the old MANPADS stocks.
    1. EvilLion 19 March 2020 12: 36 New
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      The result of this "tactic" will be a couple of downed Su-34s and thousands of corpses with hundreds of units of destroyed ground equipment.
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        if this "tactic" were used, then the pilots SU-24 and SU-25, the crew of the TU would be alive.
  6. Uncle Izya 19 March 2020 07: 28 New
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    Someone does not know the stupidity of Damantsev how pilots themselves will behave there
  7. rocket757 19 March 2020 07: 35 New
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    Are the Su-35S combatant ready for the confrontation with the F-22A? All hope for Vympel ICD

    But is there really a reason to expect some sort of confrontation ....
    It is clear that the technique, its parameters will change, improve ... this is a natural process. must do what must.
  8. K-50 19 March 2020 07: 48 New
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    higher angular speed of turn and a much smaller bend radius, achieved due to the nozzle deflection in the pitch plane in the range of ± 20 degrees, provide the Raptor with an undeniable advantage in the “dog dump” with the above types of multi-functional fighters, not allowing “pulling” only these parameters to promising domestic multi-functional fighters Su-30SM, Su-35S and Su-57, equipped with an all-round OBE system and more advanced gliders of the integrated layout with developed influxes ornevyh wing portions.

    Only now, the Su-35S, Su-30SM and, forgotten, the MiG-35, are not at all promising, but combat aircraft.
    The only promising ones are the Su-57. hi
  9. K-50 19 March 2020 07: 58 New
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    As for long-range or ultra-long-range air battles at distances of 120-170 km, here, of course, all the trump cards will be in the hands of pilots of stealth F-22A fighters. With an effective reflective surface of 0,07-0,1 square meters. m, “Raptor” will be detected by the on-board radar “Irbis-E” at a distance of 120-160 km, while the more noise-protected radars AN / APG-77 (even in difficult jamming conditions caused by the operation of the container complexes of the electronic warfare Khibiny) locate the Su-35S (EPR about 2,5-3,5 sq. m) at a distance of 200-250 km. Consequently, the launch of long-range AIM-120D aerial combat missiles can be carried out from a distance of 170-180 km, while Su-35S pilots will have to approach the Raptors right up to the lines of launch of the RVV-SD missiles (at high altitudes - 110 km, on medium - 70-80 km), while performing anti-ballistic maneuvers, or intercepting attacking AMRAAMs with their own RVV-SD.

    The included "Raptor" radar will shine into the "whole sky" as the "Illich lamp" in the cave and will be visible for three hundred kilometers !!! fellow lol
    With it turned off, he will not see a shisha. only through Avax. hi
    1. Mestny 19 March 2020 09: 16 New
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      Which, in turn, also unmasks itself with radiation, and by no means possesses stealth and an outstanding speed of maneuvering.
      1. 75 Sergey 21 March 2020 06: 59 New
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        And from the place of contact is hell knows where, in the rear - try to get it.
  10. Aerodrome 19 March 2020 08: 23 New
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    Just reading the article, again, it is not clear how the long-range product-180 will help in the fight against the enemy, which has not yet been discovered, but he sees you?

    a completely different story. and not so dramatic (hopefully)
  11. Venom11 19 March 2020 09: 20 New
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    Good article, detailed analysis of technical specifications. Clearly and specifically gives an idea of ​​the modern picture of air combat.
    Everything is described in an accessible and understandable way, the analysis is no worse than for the Shell-S missile defense system. Syria’s closed sky, unique cars, a mosquito will not fly ... by the way, how many “Shell-S” are left in Syria? I think - all remained, in the form of scrap metal, which did not destroy a single enemy aircraft.
    But in general, it’s nice to watch the flaming fragments of F-22A falling to the ground ... the task was successful ... everyone is smiling ... the glaciers are happy))

  12. Hermit21 19 March 2020 09: 44 New
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    God, yes, the AIM-120D (AIM-120C-8) has no 180 kilometers of range. The confusion arose because of the AIM-120D project with ramjet for the fleet, and then the same index (most likely unofficially) migrated to the modernization of the AIM-120C series with the solid propellant rocket engine - AIM-120. Its range was increased to 120-130 kilometers due to a decrease in the instrument compartment with a simultaneous increase in the motor and the introduction of a bilateral datalink.

    And how does Mr. Damentsev imagine an idiot who will launch a rocket 100 kilometers away from a modern fighter?
  13. steelmaker 19 March 2020 10: 01 New
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    "F-22A captured in Slow-Motion mode
    I looked on YouTube this flight. Compared with the SU-35 and even the SU-30, generally NOT look at what !! HOLIDAYS !! As I understand it, all the advantages of the F-22 are a radar and a rocket. Which we don’t have yet. But to compare aerobatics with the SU-35, this is generally no shame!
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      Quote: steel maker
      As I understand it, all the advantages of the F-22 are a radar and a rocket.

      You misunderstood. Russian radar and missiles RVV-DB P-37M (KS-172 on tests) surpass radar and missiles of the USA and NATO. Frank lies of the author of the article.
  14. Kalmar 19 March 2020 10: 12 New
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    The article is interesting, but the meaning of comparing P-77-1 and AIM-120C-7 / D is not clear. If we talk about a potential fight at medium distances, it is much more important to compare the capabilities of missiles with the capabilities of the aircraft attacked by them. In the end, what about the fact that the AIM-120C rotates more slowly than the R-77, even if such agility is enough to destroy, say, the Su-35?
  15. Gust 19 March 2020 10: 52 New
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    A fighter on a fighter is a battle of two spherocks in a vacuum. In a real situation, conquering air supremacy will beat MRAU at airfields, hangars, and fuel depots with arsenals. Thousands and thousands of KR. And after that, the disadvantages will fight, grouping around the AWACS and from there receiving the Central Command. No LPI can save you from discovering - these are fairy tales. I'll tell you even more, google the characteristics of passive radars and understand everything (and this does not take into account the work of LPI!) Therefore, AWACS should be blamed first, the author is right here. And SD for this requires quasi-ballistic or aeroballistic, because primary target designation will be from ZGRLS, as the carrier reaches the line of attack, the distance will be 600-700 km. These are the SDs that are needed in the first place. After zeroing AWACS, the situation boils down to that described by Damantsev. There, ours will be visible from a distance of 120-140 km, not ours from 90-110 km. And then, who is better prepared.
    1. TatarinSSSR 19 March 2020 14: 49 New
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      You forgot to add that just the most powerful ground radars will also be hit. Another thing is whether all the tactical missiles of the required radius are enough for them without a special combat unit in Russia. And is there enough time to launch them.
  16. TatarinSSSR 19 March 2020 14: 46 New
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    Another "if only yes." Well, it’s not interesting to read articles, no matter whose — Russian or foreign, about who is lying to whom, if .... After all, you can rub your friend up to a hoarseness, but all this will be empty talk. Whoever defeats whom will decide only a real battle. REAL. And then, dozens of factors will converge there - from information interaction with the ground to the training of pilots. Aircraft themselves will be only one of the links in the battle chain. And most often the performance will be affected by the performance characteristics of the fighter, and many other factors that converge in that place and at that time. Sonya examples were already from various conflicts of the past - where excellent planes, with excellent performance characteristics, lost their way, their pilots did not even know until they were defeated that they were attacking. Therefore, all these measurements by the organs are useless.
  17. karpusha 19 March 2020 15: 49 New
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    In modern aerial combat, the advantage is for the one who can first detect the target and complete the launch of a rocket. After this, the enemy is forced to turn away and perform a missile defense maneuver. At the same time, the firing rocket still keeps the enemy on the sight and pours rockets from a closer distance.
    1. Hexenmeister 19 March 2020 16: 14 New
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      To what you have said, you still need to add "ceteris paribus", and the conditions may be unequal. For example, the target goes higher than you, and with the same weapons, the enemy will be able to launch a rocket from a greater range than you, and it turns out that finding the first means nothing, you also need to choose the right tactics.
  18. Dzafdet 19 March 2020 18: 18 New
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    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    Quote: EvilLion
    In real combat, aircraft perform a combat mission

    In a real fight, it won’t get to the dog dump, how can I explain this to you ?!
    From inviza knock. This is not the second world war on the I16, this is the 21st century!
    And over-maneuverability will not help from a rocket, because the plane has a maximum overload of 10g, and the rocket has 30g! Catchs up and knocked down, if you do not twist with a high probability.
    The first saw, the first shot, this determines victory!
    Minus if you do not like it, just do not take offense at the truth.)

    EW systems are on the plane, so it’s a question of whether they knock down or not ... But there will be no landfill. In the event of a war, ours will immediately hit YaF aerodromes and that’s all ... All your Raptors will die from EMP ..
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      What a nimble you to grab nuclear weapons immediately. After the use of nuclear weapons, all survivors can safely clutch at the stone axes.
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    The author forgets that the enemy received an air-to-air missile with a ramjet. Meteor .. This is where our SU 35s will have big problems.
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      Quote: rica1952
      The author forgets that the enemy received an air-to-air missile with a ramjet. Meteor ..

      See range and be horrified!
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      Did she also enter the F-22 armament? And, for information, air-launched missiles with ramjet engines have disadvantages that hinder their mass deployment
  20. Imperial Technocrat 19 March 2020 20: 44 New
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    Bullshit about the EPR F-22 0.07-0.1m2. It is 0.4 m2. Delirium and EPR 2.5-3 in the Su-35. It is exactly 1m2. Bullshit and about the allegedly best radar in the F-22. As soon as he turns it on - it becomes visible. And with radars, and without radars (optics), the Su-35 wins at any distance. By the way, the Su-35 radar is much more powerful, and will see Efka earlier. And one more point - the Su-35 is not PFAR, but PAPHAR - a passively active phased antenna array
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      Passive-active is how?
    2. Hermit21 20 March 2020 07: 31 New
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      The EPR value is variable and depends on the wavelength, angle, state and temperature of the skin, etc. And what is PAFAR? The first time I read such an abbreviation
  21. Dmitry V. 20 March 2020 13: 00 New
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    Guided air combat missiles of the AMRAAM family are equipped with classic aerodynamic rudders providing maneuvers with overloads of not more than 27-30 units

    The author is not aware that conventional aerodynamic surfaces, in comparison with lattice surfaces, have several advantages, for example, lower aerodynamic drag, which allows to increase the range or reduce the mass of fuel.
    That case - somewhere we win, somewhere we lose.

    the launch of long-range air combat missiles AIM-120D can be carried out from a distance of 170-180 km,

    Pilots - explain to the journalist his error that rockets are never launched at the maximum distance, why you have to take into account the time of the rocket's arrival in the target area, the speed of the target and its possible evasion options.
    Roughly speaking, the target should “go deep” so far into the zone of interception radius that it would not be able to get out of the radius of destruction.
    Recommended launch distances were calculated for each missile at certain speeds, directions and types of targets.
  22. djdf.tvtkz 20 March 2020 15: 29 New
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    The SU will surpass the raptor .... don’t tell my slippers, even if one on one is possible, then 180 raptors for 60 sous can easily get them, and if they grab 2400 F35 they don’t even do it, they just pollute the SU35 lights with exhaust from the engines will fall. Comparison of real and virtual combat power is hat-making. We need to quietly do our business and not yell at every corner, they say we’re the coolest, if it hadn’t been for a long time already, we don’t need to seize the territory, destroy the industry from the air, and in five years buy the country for nothing.
  23. Devil13 21 March 2020 01: 03 New
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    We would also have hoped for Fazatron-NIIR and Zhuk-A, and such incredible things as equipping ALL of our fighters with modern radar with AFAR.
    Of the same characteristics of AIM-120 and RVV-SD, there is a nuance. Called "Effective Range." and even 80km with a maximum of 110-not effective. Fuel burns out in 4-10s, rockets fly along an aeroballistic trajectory, kamon, guys, speed is lost, maneuverability too, and lattices perfectly slow the rocket.
    Even simply on the basis of such a simple scheme as effective range = maximum / 2, it turns out that the Su-35s will “get” targets from 50 km, and them from all 80 km. And they will NOT see the goals, but they’ll see. The fact that a radiation warning device squeaks at you certainly motivates the pilot, but doesn’t change the situation much. The enemy has an overwhelming superiority in detecting and defeating at a distance, I'm not talking about the number (I recall that they have the same F-22 as the Su-30cm and Su-35s in Russia combined, that is, together with ALL of our modern fighters, and F- 35 is already above 500pcs), about backlighting from other sources and all that jazz.
    Just as a combination of an aiming system, a suo, a cannon, an OBPS and its own frontal armor and AZ is important for tanks, so for an airplane is air - radar-suo-missiles, and its own - maneuverability and carrying capacity.
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    Pfar as well as afar can make dips in the Bottom towards the source of interference. Equipping with a long-range missile is applicable specifically to f 22, it will not work because it will not be possible to realize its advantage in the launch range due to the impossibility of long-range detection of f 22. And in general, in the photo su 35 mainly with p 27 ....
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    When the rocket is launched, the F-22 will open the doors of the compartment, and its invisibility, albeit for a short time, will disappear. As I understand it, the Su-35 missile launched on it will be “seen” and will be used by an anti-ballistic maneuver. Is there only an effective maneuver against duh missiles flying at short intervals? The greater consumption of expensive missiles by the enemy is little consolation ....
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    And why should I have to fight at long range if it is unbecoming for us?
    We wait on the ground until the F-22s come closer and then take off and fight at a shorter range.