The party of advanced self-propelled guns Msta-S entered the 49th Army of the Southern Military District

A batch of advanced 152 mm self-propelled artillery mounts (self-propelled guns) 2S19M2 Msta-S entered the artillery units of the 49th combined arms army of the Southern Military District as part of the re-equipment program. This was reported by the press service of the Southern Military District.

According to a widespread press release, two artillery batteries from the 49th combined arms army were re-equipped with new self-propelled guns capable of firing with Krasnopol high-precision guided munitions.

As the press service explained, the advanced MSTA-S self-propelled guns have significant design differences from the previous modification of the artillery installation: they have a new automated fire control system that can significantly increase the rate of fire, there is the possibility of using digital electronic maps, which significantly speeds up orientation on the ground.

152-mm ACS "Msta-S" is equipped with a programmable charging complex. The maximum firing range is 29 km. Ammunition - 50 shells. Speed ​​- up to 60 km / h, power reserve - more than 600 km. Upgraded SAUs can fire with high-explosive, active-rocket jamming projectiles, as well as Krasnopole precision-guided munitions.

The 152-mm howitzer Msta-S was put into service in 1989. It was created by the OKB-3 team under the leadership of the chief designer Yuri Tomashov. Its creation was awarded the Lenin and State Prizes of the USSR. Designed for the destruction of manpower, tactical nuclear weapons, artillery batteries, armored vehicles, anti-tank and air defense systems, as well as for the destruction of field fortifications and enemy control posts. Fire can be conducted on observable and unobservable targets from closed positions and direct fire. When firing, both ammunition shots and those fed from the ground are used.

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[novel66]

rifled or smooth-bore? and how then to manage the Krasnopole if rifled?

[newcomer]

In the morning it was rifled.

[novel66]

it’s lunch soon, and if the shell rotates, how to manage it?

[newcomer]

If I'm not mistaken, the age is all the same, “Krasnopol” dissolves the stabilizing surfaces after shooting.

[Boratsagdiev]

Moreover, it may not even immediately, and also in pairs.
M2 - version is a very "tricky thing")

[newcomer]

Ok, I'm sold.

[Boratsagdiev]

But how do rockets cope? ...
control unit, sensors, gyroscopes ...

[novel66]

missiles do not rotate 1000 rpm

[Boratsagdiev]

so he doesn’t have to ...
He cited as an example that this is not a problem especially in our time.

[Boratsagdiev]

In secret, but you don’t tell anyone!
"In order to stabilize on the trajectory, the projectile rotates in flight. To obtain the required roll speed (6-10 rev / s) when the projectile leaves the gun barrel and to prevent gas breakthrough during its movement, a sliding (rotating) obturator is used in the barrel. the angular velocity of rotation of the projectile on the trajectory is maintained with the help of stabilizers made in a cruciform pattern and installed at an angle relative to the longitudinal axis of the projectile in its tail. "

[novel66]

so understandable, so be it, I won’t tell anyone! thanks anyway

[Boratsagdiev]

Okay, let's tick the box and that I am familiarized with "nondisclosure" signature.
I thought myself "google".
On the old version of the projectile (collapsible), the leading "plastic belt" was clearly visible. The new one is also visible - but by color.
ps sometimes they make the block of uncontrolled stabilizers rotate itself in flight.

[Gogia]

Quote: novel xnumx

it’s lunch soon, and if the shell rotates, how to manage it?

Ammunition can be fired from a rifled gun so that it does not rotate. But from the smoothbore, on the contrary, it will not work.
In general, you should spend money on modernization if you need to rivet 2s35, and these podshamanit to Syria. Old SPGs it's time to change! In Turks up to 50km their scandal pounds.

[Hermit21]

So the 2S19M2 has "over 40 kilometers". And there are still reserves. Why, for some reason, change an excellent modern ACS, which can be safely put on a par with the K-9 and Pzh-2000

[maykl8]

The principle is as follows. The projectile is assembled from two parts before the shot: the projectile itself and the propulsion system. So that the projectile does not rotate on its body, the leading belt (see wiki) is sliding i.e. the projectile is not unwound. Before firing, the area of ​​the expected appearance of targets is divided into sections of about 400 by 400 m at a distance of 3 km from the forward edge and beyond. Data is prepared for the centers of these areas. The product is used at the very beginning of the battle, until the smoke from burning equipment, grass and buildings has risen, otherwise it will be difficult for the laser to give target designation. The lower edge of the clouds must be at least 400m, otherwise the optical element will not have time to detect the illuminated target and the projectile will fly into milk. When enemy tanks appear in the area of ​​prepared areas, the operator determines which area the tanks are approaching and reports to the firing position. At the firing position, 1-2 guns are aimed at this area. On shells with a special key, they set the settings corresponding to the firing range. These settings determine whether all or some of the powder in the propulsion system will burn. On the projectile, the time for the shooting of the ballistic tip is set. The projectile (which is twice as long as a conventional projectile) is charged manually (MSTA-S automatic loading), then the charge. When the selected tank approaches a point close to the center of the area, the operator gives the command to a firing position Fire! and launches a rangefinder-designator with a set deceleration for the flight time. After firing, the projectile flies out of the barrel and releases stabilizing wings and rudders from the body. The propulsion system runs for a set time. The projectile starts the battery and the control unit. At the set time, the ballistic tip is fired and the optical element begins to scan the area for illumination. Seeing the target, the OE gives a command to the control unit, and that to the steering wings. The projectile flies slightly rotating and seems to float. When approaching the target, the projectile makes a "slide" and hits the target 4 m behind the backlight, ie. to where the tank has an engine. Each projectile and rangefinder has its own code that can be installed where necessary. Therefore, the "alien" projectile will not fly up to the illumination of this rangefinder. If necessary, you can fire two shells at once in one volley at a particularly important target (with the same code).

[novel66]

exhaustively! thank!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Krasnopol is controlled by a scout with a laser rangefinder, and the CAO simply shoots it like a conventional ammunition.

[kenig1]

A scout highlights the target.

[smel]

Threaded. Krasnopol to such a caliber and systems was created, so it works fine - if only people were prepared. But the fact that only two batteries are needed is for the armed men to tear off piers. Only to the division. And only with the appropriate control machines. Otherwise, there is no sense in these self-propelled guns and in these economic costs.

[newcomer]

Well, that’s good news. And then a virus, a virus.

[Sky strike fighter]

Next year, state tests of the Coalition self-propelled guns should be completed. That would be to launch it in mass production.

In terms of firing a conventional projectile, which reaches 40 km, our self-propelled guns significantly outperformed the long-range German Panzerhaubitze 2000, which hit 30 km. The pride of the United States M109A7 "Paladin" and does shoot at only 22 km. Today, only the French Caesar self-propelled guns, capable of hitting targets at a distance of 42 km, can be compared with the Russian Coalition, but not with conventional, but with active-rocket shells.

https://topcor.ru/13630-plata-za-uspeh-pochemu-sau-koalicija-ne-suzhdeno-stat-massovoj.html

[newcomer]

I agree, I am interested in the news that the "Coalition" will be adopted on the basis of the 90th. This means that there will be a mass purchase of 90M, "Armata", cars on its chassis, while they will be supplied in small batches.

[Lopatov]

Quote: newbie

that the "Coalition" will be adopted on the basis of the 90th. This means that there will be a mass purchase of 90M

Does not mean anything
"Coalition" on its own, separately developed base. Like all other Russian and Soviet post-war SPGs.

[newcomer]

I beg you, the "Coalition" will be based on the T90A, with some minor changes for the howitzer. And you call this a separately developed base, pordon?

[BARKAS]

I don't understand how the Coalition can be installed on the T-90, then something needs to be radically altered or the chassis or the turret.

[Lopatov]

"Some small" is to put three crew members in the place of the tank mechanic?

Quote: newbie

And what do you call a separately developed base, pardon?

Exactly.
This is a brand new chassis with bulletproof armor. Created using components and assemblies of tanks.

[newcomer]

Everything inside the hull has been redesigned, the crew is in the "capsule" as in the "Armata". The frontal armor is lightened, but in fact it is the same 90A as the Msta at 72m. It can be said that the chassis of the "Coalition" was created on the basis of the 90A. But the 90th is the 90th. And yes, I will. Recently I read an interview with the general on the assembly of the "Coalition" where it was said in plain text, the first copies were assembled on the 90A chassis, and further release on this chassis is planned. The T14 base is being considered in the future. They want to achieve unification with tanks of the 90s family.

[Lopatov]

Quote: newbie

Inside the case, everything is rescheduled

The "case" is completely new.
T-90 armor is not bulletproof

[saylor1971]

The PzH 2000 is capable of firing three shells in nine seconds or ten in 56 seconds at a range of up to 30 km. The howitzer holds a world record - at a firing range in South Africa, she fired 56 km with a V-LAP (active-rocket projectile with improved aerodynamics).
In terms of indicators, the PzH 2000 is considered the most advanced serial self-propelled gun in the world. Self-propelled guns earned extremely high marks from independent experts; So, the Russian specialist O. Zheltonozhko defined it as a reference system for the present, which all manufacturers of self-propelled artillery mounts are guided by

[Snigir]

So they picked up the cons.
Would you rather Mstu at least somehow praised

[newcomer]

So the fact is that there is no limit to perfection. Today is a pezashka "etalon", tomorrow is a scrap. And what about now the white flag and the "Place" on the tractor? It is not yet known who will prove to be a reliable howitzer in real combat. I do not know what about the "cons" but your client was interesting to me.

[Amateur]

So, the Russian specialist O. Zheltonozhko defined it as a reference

And the Ukrainian expert Golozhopenko believes that it is inferior to the local self-propelled guns "Bogdan"

[Lopatov]

Quote: saylor1971

In terms of indicators, the PzH 2000 is considered the most advanced serial self-propelled gun in the world.

In his generation.
But a new generation is on the way. Archer, Eve, Coalition, XM1299 ....

Quote: saylor1971

which all manufacturers of self-propelled artillery mounts are guided by

If they were oriented, they would be behind.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

The pride of the United States M109A7 "Paladin" and shoots only 22 km.

Alas, for the M109A6 Paladin self-propelled guns there is an extended-range guided projectile "Excalibur Block 1a-2" - up to 60 km.
Our "Krasnopol-M1" range is declared up to 25 km.
So, while there is something to strive for.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: saylor1971

The PzH 2000 is capable of firing three shells in nine seconds or ten in 56 seconds at a range of up to 30 km. The howitzer holds a world record - at a firing range in South Africa, she fired 56 km with a V-LAP (active-rocket projectile with improved aerodynamics).
In terms of indicators, the PzH 2000 is considered the most advanced serial self-propelled gun in the world. Self-propelled guns earned extremely high marks from independent experts; So, the Russian specialist O. Zheltonozhko defined it as a reference system for the present, which all manufacturers of self-propelled artillery mounts are guided by

Quote: x.andvlad

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

The pride of the United States M109A7 "Paladin" and shoots only 22 km.

Alas, for the M109A6 Paladin self-propelled guns there is an extended-range guided projectile "Excalibur Block 1a-2" - up to 60 km.
Our "Krasnopol-M1" range is declared up to 25 km.
So, while there is something to strive for.

Up to 80 km range of destruction by guided projectiles at the Coalition. Confirmed in tests.
On January 2, 2019, according to media reports, citing sources in the Ministry of Defense during the tests, the possibility of hitting targets at ranges up to 80 kilometers was confirmed.

2С35 “Coalition-SV” - Russian 152-mm interspecific artillery complex [7] on the basis of the tank “T-90” [2] army artillery with a maximum firing range of up to 80 km, a maximum ammunition load of up to 70 rounds and a rate of fire of up to 16 rounds per minute [8].

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A135

[Lopatov]

Quote: x.andvlad

Alas, for the M109A6 Paladin self-propelled guns there is an extended-range guided projectile "Excalibur Block 1a-2" - up to 60 km.
Our "Krasnopol-M1" range is declared up to 25 km.

We have a shell, they have a rocket that for some reason was stuffed into the barrel.

[maykl8]

extended-range projectile "Excalibur Block 1a-2" - up to 60 km

And why such a range if a rare drone flies to our front line, and if it flies then ... further in the text. This is against the Papuans.

[Hermit21]

What? 40 kilometers? Now, in fact, it’s already over 80 and will soon be over 100. If not already. When it was shown in 2015, they officially spoke about 70 kilometers. Maybe the article refers to the range of conventional shells, and not guided and / or active-reactive

[knn54]

SAU WONDERFUL. Another would be to increase the firing range.

[Lopatov]

Quote: knn54

Another would be to increase the firing range.

It makes no sense.
For the tasks assigned to it, it is enough.

[Romario_Argo]

Why didn’t they write how much is in the battery. the numbers are most interesting to us.
as I understand it, the battery has up to 8 trunks i.e. up to 16 self-propelled guns Msta-S (?) (!)

[Lord of the Sith]

Six to be exact.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Six to be exact.

Maybe four
Yes, and eight-gun batteries also existed.

[Lord of the Sith]

We are talking about the 49th combined arms army at the present time.

[chenia]

Quote: Spade

Yes, and eight-gun batteries also existed.

And what have the Yankees 8 gun batteries already dispersed? It was like 3 ADNs with 24 barrels per division.

And 6 trunks (up to 152 mm) seem to be optimal for the battery, all the same more often we work as divisions.

They want a coalition from a division and higher, and the MSTA to a brigade (regiment).
The coalition is a promising reality, the MSTA is a real prospect.

[Lopatov]

Quote: chenia

And what have the Yankees 8 gun batteries already dispersed? It was like 3 ADNs with 24 barrels per division.

Dispersed.
The "heavy" brigade has 3 batteries of 6 ACS
The Stryker brigade has 3 batteries of 6 M777 each
in "light" two batteries of 6 105-mm M119 and one battery M777
At the level of the division of the artillery barrels left, only HIMARS / M270

Quote: chenia

And 6 trunks (up to 152 mm) seem to be optimal for the battery, all the same more often we work as divisions.

If intended for military use in the mountains, reduced to four-equipment. Like in 58 a

[chenia]

Quote: Spade

Dispersed.
In the "heavy" brigade

Finished imitation of the Germans (battle groups) .Now the permanent staff.

Quote: Spade

At the level of the division of barrel artillery left

Well, their aviation is all.

Quote: Spade

If intended for military use in the mountains

Well, in the mountains, not only the state, there should be specialized weapons (82 mm mortars, 107 mm guns)

[Lopatov]

Quote: chenia

there should be specialized weapons (82 mm mortars, 107 mm guns)

Mortars were just 82 mm. Two platoons of "Trays" and a platoon of "Vasilkov"

[lucul]

152-mm ACS "Msta-S" is equipped with a programmable charging complex. The maximum firing range is 29 km. Ammunition - 50 shells. Speed ​​- up to 60 km / h, power reserve - more than 600 km. Upgraded SAUs can fire with high-explosive, active-rocket jamming projectiles, as well as Krasnopole precision-guided munitions.

This is what our artillery in the army should be like.
You can forget about the old, towed, not capable of moving artillery on your own. She is not a tenant on the battlefield. In modern warfare - artillery mobility is the key to its survival.

[Gogia]

Quote: maykl8

... The projectile starts the battery and the control unit. At the set time, the ballistic tip is fired and the optical element begins to scan the area for illumination. Seeing the target, the OE gives a command to the control unit, and that to the steering wings. The projectile flies slightly rotating and seems to float. When approaching the target, the projectile makes a "slide" and hits the target 4 m behind the backlight, ie. to where the tank has an engine.

If the backlight works all the time, then the aerosol is shot back by the irradiation sensor.
The whole ficus picus is that the laser rangefinder-target indicator transmits the coordinates of the target in passive mode to the self-propelled guns. the system calculates the time of approach to the target. Between the scout with the range finder and self-propelled guns - two-way radio communication (packet short-pulse to avoid opening the system by the reb) after readiness, a shot is fired at the coordinates. When approaching a projectile in 1,5 sec. the backlight turns on. On the descending section of the trajectory, the projectile maneuvers and hits the reflected beam.

Krasnopol showed a very high accuracy hit. In real combat conditions, very often a shell gets into the body of an illuminated tank. Even if the projectile hits 1-2 m from the side, the penetration of the side is almost guaranteed. In the buildings and say nothing. the Americans were very unpleasantly surprised by the performance of Krasnopol according to the results of the mess near Ilovaisk and the results of work in Syria on proud homeless people. In Idlib, it looks like the M60 and M113 also flew somewhat.

The most interesting thing is that Krasnopol began to be stamped in the late 80s and then made a big pile. The shell was like a Lada - i.e. approximately 10K greens. If the price is now comparable, then our Krasnopole costs an order of magnitude less than Amer's Escalibur.

[Konatantin 1992]

Ahhhh, where would there be hundreds of units of the Coalition NE? They just said for a long time what will go into service?)))
On March 11, 2016, Colonel Igor Muginov, on behalf of the Western Military District, announced that before the end of 2016 the first batch of self-propelled guns 2S35 “Coalition-SV” will be put into service.

The interspecific artillery complex "Coalition-SV" will begin to flow into the troops.

- explained the Chief of the Missile Forces and Artillery of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Matveevsky, talking about plans for the year before 2020.
An article by the way from our beloved and dear (not sarcasm) VO from 2017.