What has changed in our life with the advent of the Russian Guard


Almost four years have passed since the decree on the creation of the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation (Rosguard), headed by the director of the service, the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Guard Troops, Army General Viktor Zolotov, has passed almost four years since the signing of the decree by the President of Russia Vladimir Putin. The new service appeared according to the decree of the President of the Russian Federation No. 157 of April 5, 2016.


What has changed in our life with the advent of a new intelligence service? How does the Rosguard affect the situation in the country? Was it worth destroying the system that existed since the USSR? Or is it not destruction, but reformatting?

The answers to these questions today can already be substantiated not only by theoretical calculations, but also by practical facts. Moreover, over the past years, already visible changes have appeared in the life of society. The changes that occurred due to the activities of the Rosguard.

A little bit about the background of the creation of the Russian Guard


I remember how many disputes there were after Putin’s decree. How many labels were hung on the new structure. How much dirt was poured personally on the head of Rosguard Viktor Zolotov. “Putin creates a personal power structure,” “Putin’s personal guards become the head of a powerful security agency,” “A new gendarmerie has appeared in Russia,” and so on.

But by that time, it was already clear to professionals that the creation of a new department was not a spontaneous decision of Putin personally, but a simple logic of the development of the Russian power structures. The reform has been preparing for a long time, and even the fact that the main participants in the reform, Kolokoltsev and Zolotov, learned about the decree just a day before its promulgation (according to some sources close to these leaders), there was no opposition on their part. The head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the commander in chief of the internal troops are professionals.

Let me remind you that Decree No. 157 turned two law enforcement agencies, the Gosnarkokontrol (Federal Drug Control Service) and the Federal Migration Service (FMS), into the headquarters of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs. At the same time, internal troops were withdrawn from the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Thus, the Ministry of Internal Affairs was sufficiently enlarged, which made it possible if the explosives were retained within the ministry, which was comparable in number to the Russian army. The withdrawal of VV reduced the number of employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs by a third.

Perhaps there was no power structure in Russia that would be stable after 1991. The horror of the West in front of the "omnipotent" KGB and other "Soviet" security forces forced Western politicians to put pressure on the new Russian government in order to destroy these structures. I would call the 90s the time of multidirectional reform of the security forces in Russia. Many people remember how many professionals then left the bodies "of their own free will."

Remember how from the former KGB in the period 1991-1994, the SVR (Foreign Intelligence Service), FSO (Federal Security Service), FAPSI, FPS "left"? Many have already forgotten that recently we did not even have the security service at the federal level! Let me remind you that from 1993 to 1995 there was the Federal Counterintelligence Service in Russia, but there was no FSB!

At the same time, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia intensified. This was due to the fact that the Ministry of Internal Affairs was the pillar of President Yeltsin. The first time the Ministry of Internal Affairs, or rather, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, proved their allegiance to Yeltsin in October 1993. It was then that the soldiers and officers of the BB carried out the order without a doubt - despite the fact that the army units and FSK security forces refused to shoot at the White House.

The army structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the presence of strong OMON and SOBR detachments allowed the ministry to actively participate in hostilities in the Caucasus during the first and second Chechen wars. Some of the employees helped the local police to organize the service, but most participated in the wars precisely as army units.

In the end, even President Yeltsin was afraid of the power of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Remember the 1998 decree on the transfer of powers to escort special forces and the protection of correctional institutions to the Ministry of Justice? This was precisely an attempt to narrow the powers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Putin eliminates the bias


After the election of Vladimir Putin as the president of Russia, the siloviki sighed more freely. We often talk and write that our president comes from the KGB. Moreover, in most cases, this circumstance is mentioned in a negative way. Thanks to pro-Western liberals, the mention of the Committee has become a kind of stigma.

People who know more than an ordinary layman. They know more than a simple person. May be more than an ordinary person. They are able to analyze and predict the development of the situation several steps forward. These qualities were demonstrated by the new president. Today we can talk about this with confidence.

Remember the rather painful reforms that have gone unnoticed by the average person, but have caused a lot of protests from experts? What is the reform of the prosecutor’s office when this department lost the right to initiate proceedings! The Investigative Committee began to do this. How long the conflict lasted between Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika and the head of the Sledkom Alexander Bastrykin over the distribution of powers ...

And the creation of a military police? How many disputes were between the leadership of the Moscow Region and the FSB! The then Minister of Defense really wanted to create his own power structure, which would independently deal with crimes in the army, and the security agencies did not want to lose counterintelligence in the army. Yes, and Sledkom did not want to give up work in the troops.

Time has shown that the right decisions were made. Today, tensions between departments have been eliminated, and the system has begun to work effectively. One of these decisions was the creation of the Russian Guard.

We are used to the fact that the authorities react most often to the consequences. At least that's what happens most often. While there are no acts of terrorism, the society is silent. But as soon as a tragedy happens, society boils. “Where did the security forces look?”, “Why didn’t they provide for?” Etc.

What has changed with the creation of the Russian Guard


So, the main question that we are trying to find the answer to today. Was the game worth the candle? Is the decision to create a new power structure justified. And I will start with one quote quoted by the former Minister of the Interior Anatoly Kulikov immediately after the signing of the decree by the president:

“I would rather talk about trying to answer the new challenges and threats that have emerged in recent years: terrorist attacks in Europe, militants of the Islamic State (a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation), and radical terrorism. In 2006, Russia adopted a law on countering terrorism, which for the first time provided for the participation of all law enforcement agencies in this fight. But every year the situation is worsening before our eyes: there are problems with refugees and transnational crime.

Choosing between human rights in a democratic society and security in the face of an increased terrorist threat, most citizens will choose security. Someone, of course, will see what is happening that the government is trying to strengthen its position. But it is rather obliged to do and any authority does. ”



So, the main thing is what has already happened and, I hope, will continue to happen. The Russian Guard, together with the FSB and other security forces, provides us with a quiet life. How many terrorist attacks were averted! How many criminals are detained! And this is in a situation when the activity of terrorist organizations has increased dramatically. Terrorists are also learning. Challenges are changing. Only the result does not change.

During the existence of the Russian Guard, employees neutralized more than 200 criminals. And these were by no means pickpockets or thieves. These were terrorists and militants. In addition, more than 300 caches with weapons, Particularly active work is being carried out in the Crimea and areas bordering Ukraine.

I don’t know if you noticed how the actions of our opposition changed after the creation of the Russian Guard. Remember the provocations that were recently. When rallies and processions were accompanied by numerous violations of the law. Moreover, this was done purposefully. The protesters provoked the siloviki into tough actions, and then the media made a fuss about the inadequate response of the authorities to peaceful protests ...

What now? The Russian Guard is responding to violations of the law no less harshly than before, but it performs all actions in accordance with applicable law, and with video recording. In these conditions, provocateurs can no longer tell tales of violations. Numerous attempts to do this in court failed.

Today, the majority of the opposition’s actions are carried out clearly according to the law, and, the funny thing is, under the protection of the Russian Guard. Both parties strictly adhere to the framework of the law. Someone does not like it, someone, on the contrary, is delighted with such actions. But, most importantly, the law. Rosguards are not the Duma and not the president. Their business is not to pass or interpret laws. Their business is to comply with the laws.

Next: weapons. I’m not talking about those caches and illegal weapons that security officials periodically find. I'm talking about legal firearms. About hunting, prize and other weapons, which the population has in its hands is enough. About how the attitude to these weapons has changed.

The issues of storage of weapons, their transportation and use are clearly regulated. Therefore, any hunter always knows that employees can check him at any time. Check the safe or storage box, the condition of the weapon, the order of storage of ammunition. Therefore, violations in this regard are quite few.

However, everything changes, or rather, changed, when going hunting. Those involved in hunting are well aware that, despite the safety measures that hunters must observe, any opening of the season is accompanied by tragedies. Someone killed or injured someone through careless handling of weapons. And the reason is simple. Alcohol consumption. So it was before.

In recent years, the situation has changed radically. Now it’s not the huntsman Uncle Vasya who checks hunters, but a whole group of employees from different departments. Used drones, helicopters, cars, ATVs. And everything is checked at once. From the availability of documents to the use of alcohol and game, which was obtained by the hunter.

And God forbid, if the hunter has a smell of alcohol or he will be intoxicated. Problems will be in all directions. From driving licenses to weapons permits and licensing. I don’t know how in other regions, but in my own home the number of tragedies has decreased. For a couple of years no one has hurt anyone and, thank God, has not killed.

And I just want to finish the material. The Rosguard today fits into the system of the country's law enforcement agencies, although the majority of the population still do not understand the differences between the Rosguard and the police.

I do not have exact numbers for the past year. Therefore, I will name the results of the activities of the Russian Guard for three years. These figures are publicly available. For high results in work in 2018, the Kalachevsky separate operational brigade of the National Guard (Southern District) was awarded the Zhukov Order. For courage and bravery shown in the performance of military duty, 569 employees of the Russian Guard were awarded state awards, 9 of them posthumously. Departmental awards were awarded to more than 34 thousand employees. Impressive.
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  1. rocket757 17 March 2020 13: 13 New
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    There was an "inside" and everything else ... and now what?
    Although, the Dzerzhinsky division should be respected, they deserved it during the war years! But this is not something that was attached to the well-deserved part, but it was shoved into the new structure ....
    Then, all these renaming to me never .... return the MILITARY back !!!
    1. novel66 17 March 2020 13: 24 New
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      yeah, Uncle Styopa - the policeman sounds disgusting .. hi
      1. rocket757 17 March 2020 14: 23 New
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        It remains to not forget to tell children. Will they succeed in returning the title of people's militia ... somehow we won’t guess, in advance.
        1. Malyuta 17 March 2020 21: 26 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          return the police back !!!

          Miltz can be returned only when power becomes popular again.
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 March 2020 12: 23 New
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        I do not want to comment, I’ll give only the divisions of the power structures:
        Police: Serving the law - serving the people.
        Police: Serving the Law - Serving Russia.
        Draw your own conclusions.
    2. YOUR 17 March 2020 13: 48 New
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      Previously, there were riot police, SOBR, the head of the police department could, if necessary, almost instantly strengthen operas to detain criminals. But such a lafa for operas ended, all by themselves, and if there is a need, it is necessary to agree on the level of the heads of departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard and not the fact that they will agree. For the underworld a gift, again socially close appeared. The focus of the Rosguard is not to fight crime, but to protect the interests of the elite. Fas and all broke. What about weapons? Well, why do they need ZSU Samum. Why install an automatic 30-mm gun in the back of an armored KAMAZ from camouflaged with an awning that is reset at the touch of a button. They scold the USSR for totalitarianism, but this was not close at that time.
      1. rocket757 17 March 2020 14: 21 New
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        Quote: YOUR
        They scold the USSR for totalitarianism, but this was not close at that time.

        You may be objected with full justification. Strengthening, heavy weapons in the units of the internal troops was.
        We simply do not associate the police as a threat to the people! Scolding, telling jokes ... but these are already phantom pains.
        1. YOUR 17 March 2020 15: 39 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          You may be objected with full justification. Strengthening, heavy weapons in the units of the internal troops was.

          In reality, there was only one unit of the OMSDON - the Separate Red Banner of the Orders of Lenin and the October Revolution, the motorized rifle division of the special purpose named after F.E. Dzerzhinsky of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR (OMSDON). the remaining formations are mainly convoy divisions, i.e. security of places of detention. There were several detachments of patrol ships, in my opinion 2. Security of something atomic there. But what was not there was such a saturation with heavy weapons.
          Previously, the main occupation for explosives was the protection of convicts - 20 convoy divisions, now it is the Federal Penitentiary Service. Rosguard has completely different tasks. It has completely created its own structure, its own districts, of which there are 8. Each has connections and units. In practice, this is an army that stands and waits when they are thrown into battle, and while they are perfecting their skills, new institutions appear, for example, reconnaissance with some unclear tasks of what to scout on its territory.
          Somehow everything is muddy.
          1. domokl 17 March 2020 17: 40 New
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            In fact, this is an army that stands and waits when they are thrown into battle,

            Rosguard does not pull on the army ... Number of 340 thousand people. For comparison, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is about 700 with a lot of excess (I'm afraid to lie, 741 thousand in my opinion).
            1. Old tanker 17 March 2020 17: 52 New
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              And you compare with the number of Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
              In total, the personnel of the ground forces in 2018 totaled 280 people.
            2. bandabas 17 March 2020 18: 56 New
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              Designed to suppress protesters. Moreover, it is allowed to use everything against their citizens. Including "lethal" weapons.
              1. raw174 18 March 2020 12: 14 New
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                Quote: bandabas
                Designed to suppress protesters. Moreover, it is allowed to use everything against their citizens. Including "lethal" weapons.

                I’ll open your eyes, but the PM 9 mm., PP and so on at the policeman is not for entourage, weapons could ALWAYS be used against their citizens, everywhere. A hackneyed Maidan example confirms what needs to be applied sometimes.
                PS: "Sausage riot" in the holy and prosperous USSR as suppressed?
            3. ccsr 17 March 2020 19: 21 New
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              Quote: domokl
              Rosguard does not pull on the army ... Number of 340 thousand people.

              Well, if you are already familiar with military affairs, you should know that 340 thousand personnel are at least about 20 motorized rifle divisions of the Ground Forces, and with a four-division composition it is FIVE armies, with a five-division composition, FOUR armies of modern Russian Ground Forces.
              So do not underestimate its size, but better explain to everyone what for it was created at all if the convoy troops, fire departments were removed from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the number of objects under the protection of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Soviet times fell sharply. Why did Rosguards transfer private security and licensing work if, in my opinion, the local Ministry of Internal Affairs coped well with this? But if you look at the cash flows that the Russian Guard has taken over, you involuntarily think about it - this was not the main goal of creating an unnecessary service.
              1. bandabas 17 March 2020 20: 14 New
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                I explain. It reports directly to the guarantor. Personally.
                1. ccsr 17 March 2020 20: 46 New
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                  I explain. It reports directly to the guarantor. Personally.

                  Yeltsin had such a guard by the name of Korzhakov, who proved that personal loyalty is not always the main merit of a person.
                  1. bandabas 17 March 2020 21: 44 New
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                    It is not a guard, but a structure (organization). And direct submission.
            4. YOUR 18 March 2020 01: 31 New
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              Police are spread across the country in a thin layer. Unlike the Russian Guard, the combat units of which are gathered in single fists.
          2. garrett 18 March 2020 14: 00 New
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            In reality, there was only one unit of the OMSDON - the Separate Red Banner of the Orders of Lenin and the October Revolution, the motorized rifle division of the special purpose named after F.E. Dzerzhinsky of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR (OMSDON). the remaining formations are mainly convoy divisions, i.e. protection of places of detention. There were several detachments of patrol ships, in my opinion 2. But what was not there was such a saturation with heavy weapons

            you are an amateur and have no idea what internal troops are. read at least comments, there are many VVshnikov
            Guarding something nuclear there

            and this is generally a masterpiece laughing
        2. l7yzo 21 March 2020 05: 56 New
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          Quote: rocket757

          We simply do not associate the police as a threat to the people! Scolding, telling jokes ... but these are already phantom pains.


          Still, the police obey the laws of the country and mines. internal affairs, and the Russian Guard is a paramilitary association. They are not subordinate to mines of internal affairs, laws for citizens and the police are leveled for them.
          Obey - to the commander in chief.
          1. rocket757 21 March 2020 11: 31 New
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            So, under the law, is she obliged to act, or is it completely on the law? They told her the face and go!
      2. Romario_Argo 17 March 2020 18: 04 New
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        What about weapons? Well, why do they need ZSU Samum. Why install an automatic 30-mm gun in the back of an armored KAMAZ from camouflaged with an awning that is reset at the touch of a button

        and in the US the national guard with F-18, F-16 bombers, Cobra, Apache helicopters, Abrams tanks, MLRS, self-propelled guns
        function - the reserve of the armed forces - and they can type ???
        1. ccsr 17 March 2020 19: 25 New
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          Quote: Romario_Argo
          function - the reserve of the armed forces - and they can type ???

          In fact, the US National Guard was created to suppress racial conflicts - it cannot even be used outside the United States. So the "reserve" of the US armed forces is too much of a stretch given the short-term nuclear conflict, although from the point of view of preparing the reserve, this is really a good structure, which we can take a closer look at.
          1. Romario_Argo 17 March 2020 20: 20 New
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            What about weapons? Well, why do they need ZSU Samum

            then why the US National Guard can have tanks, fighters, helicopters in service
            and according to your logic, we in the National Guard, even an automatic 30 mm cannon, must not
            1. ccsr 17 March 2020 20: 50 New
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              then why the US National Guard can have tanks, fighters, helicopters in service

              Racial uprisings can cover vast territories with a large population, and taking into account the weapons on hand, it is possible to deal with the rebels only with heavy weapons.
              Quote: Romario_Argo
              and according to your logic, we can’t even have an automatic 30 mm gun in the National Guard

              By my logic, there were armored personnel carriers in the internal troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, and there were enough weapons to carry out operations against bandits, because then it was strictly taking into account personal weapons.
              1. sniperino 18 March 2020 15: 23 New
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                Racial uprisings can cover vast territories with a large population, and taking into account the weapons on hand, it is possible to deal with the rebels only with heavy weapons.
                And in a multinational country is this completely unnecessary? Like, a republic and a district this is not a race ... And a hybrid war, as it were, is not being waged, no one has adopted the strategy of controlled conflicts ...
                1. ccsr 18 March 2020 18: 08 New
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                  And in a multinational country is this completely unnecessary?

                  In fact, we did not have black slaves exported from Africa and separate toilets in the sixties of the last century, so we did not have this problem.
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Type, republic and district is not a race ...

                  We had a very mixed population even in those republics that became part of the USSR on the eve of the war.
                  Quote: sniperino
                  And the hybrid war, as it were, is not being waged, no one has adopted the strategy of controlled conflicts ...

                  Not everyone who planned it for us succeeds - at least we survived the nineties without massive national upheaval, with the exception of the North Caucasus, but now there’s no war there either. This must be taken into account, but without fanaticism, and with a firm hand, putting things in order in the thugs with the hands of those who support state power, as is the case in Chechnya.
                  1. sniperino 19 March 2020 09: 34 New
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                    we didn’t have this problem.
                    In the 90s, this was a problem, and some more. In the second half of the 80s, Russian Nazism and Nazism began to swing in the nat. republics. The collapse of the USSR, the war in Chechnya and the Donbass is not a problem? This is a very vulnerable place of the Russian Federation, but also the driving force behind its development (multinationality)
                    1. ccsr 19 March 2020 10: 23 New
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                      Quote: sniperino
                      In the second half of the 80s, Russian Nazism and Nazism began to swing in the nat. republics.

                      We did not have a single nation in Russia, which would be treated like blacks in America, and the instability that arose was more connected with economic reasons, rather than racial.
                      Quote: sniperino
                      This is a very vulnerable place of the Russian Federation, but also the driving force behind its development (multinationality)

                      Indeed, this will always require close attention of our authorities in order to crush any manifestation of nationalism in the bud - no one will argue with this.
                  2. sniperino 19 March 2020 11: 11 New
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                    now and there is no war there
                    In the art of fomenting local conflicts, our probable partners have been trained. Who has the opportunity and interest to organize a major internal armed conflict if the fight against corruption intensifies? Of course, first of all, these are corrupt officials and security officials with the aim of seizing power (central or local). Since the days of colonialism, they, along with compradors, have been and remain the main vehicles of Western influence on indigenous societies. Therefore, the power structure capable of suppressing the internal armed conflict should be as centralized as possible so that the president bears personal responsibility for the level of corruption in it and does not allow him to grow to background levels that turn their fight against corruption into a complete imitation, and a structure sufficiently armed, especially if we assume the prospect of further strengthening of external pressure on the Russian Federation.
        2. l7yzo 21 March 2020 06: 00 New
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          They finally have a many level system. The main difference from our guard is
          "Service in the National Guard is combined with work in the main specialty. About 60 thousand men and women enter the National Guard annually (on average)." (wikipedia)
      3. garrett 18 March 2020 13: 56 New
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        What about weapons? Well, why do they need ZSU Samum. Why install an automatic 30-mm gun in the back of an armored KAMAZ from camouflaged with an awning that is reset at the touch of a button

        Vladimir, I’ll tell you more, until 2005 there were even tank regiments in the VV and artillery division in each operational brigade. And believe me, they were not superfluous in the Czech Republic.
        To date, the toad and viper have been mixed, that is, cops with VVshniki, who look at each other as a dull G. Why did I need to do this, I do not understand, because There is no practical benefit for the state, IMHO - I drank the budget and planting homies to senior positions.
    3. Private89 17 March 2020 14: 19 New
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      The point, of course, is not the name, although there is certainly symbolism, after all, the Police are an armed people. And the police - well, you understand what kind of association comes to mind.
      But the main thing is who writes those laws and in whose interests is the idea that the Police and the Russian Guard should comply? The ruling class, and who it is under capitalism, is rightly the bourgeoisie, they are the oligarchs and the bureaucrats serving them. And it turns out that these power structures protect the Palaces, Yachts and capitals of those who write these laws, and not the people.
      1. rocket757 17 March 2020 14: 31 New
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        It is not the inscriptions that make the goods, but the inscriptions are applied to the GOODS ... Ain, Zwein, policeman, and no longer get out of it.
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        YOU are right, private property is not touched
        And it turns out that these power structures protect the Palaces, Yachts and capitals of those who write these laws, and not the people.
        1. Romario_Argo 17 March 2020 20: 30 New
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          it turns out that these power structures protect the Palaces, Yachts and capitals of those who write these laws, and not the people.

          but in my opinion, this is all the people, and those and others - why should we highlight some layers?
          both pay personal income tax 13%
          you apparently had in mind those who steal or when they stole in the 90s, so they already nationalize everything.
          just for the "spin" is not legally acquired - created Nat. Guard
          also as an option, the experience of history:
          so that the constitutional court does not disperse, if it is necessary to send troops into some sort of "God forbid" - "Altai Ichkeria" - created by Nat. Guard
    4. AU Ivanov. 17 March 2020 14: 54 New
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      The police are almost a people's militia. In the 20s, this name was fair - nonprofessionals were involved in law enforcement. Professional law enforcement officers are called the "police" all over the world. We do not call the fleet aviation.
      1. ccsr 17 March 2020 19: 31 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        In the 20s, this name was fair - nonprofessionals were involved in law enforcement.

        I do not know what you know from the history of the NKVD, but just in case, I remind you that in the late twenties and early thirties the NKVD troops were armed not only with artillery, but also tanks, cavalry and even aviation. It got to the point that military schools were created in the NKVD system, but in the end the undertaking failed due to large losses in the course of study and the inefficiency of the training itself, due to the lack of experienced teachers and the complexity of the educational process.
        So your statement that at that time there were "non-professionals" in the NKVD, to put it mildly, is not true - on the contrary, it was the first time that you attempted to create another army within the state so that it could pose a threat to any gangs and insurrection of the disaffected population .
        1. Romario_Argo 17 March 2020 20: 40 New
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          in WWII, the 4th NKVD division covered up the withdrawal of 4 armies from the Kiev fort. area:
          5, 21, 26, 37
          27 people left from the NKVD division
          although our 4th armies were then again surrounded and destroyed
          but, this is another story on the topic that it was not necessary to categorically leave fortified.
          * and generally preserve the Stalin line 1200 km
          * and that all the artillery of the RGVK (1800 barrels: 180mm - 356mm) was supposed to be on the Stalin line and not in the Baltic states and at the rear
        2. Dart2027 17 March 2020 21: 15 New
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          Quote: ccsr
          in the late twenties and early thirties the NKVD troops had

          You are right, but that was later. The militia began to be created by the Bolsheviks almost immediately after coming to power, and then there really were not so many professionals in it.
    5. Aviator_ 17 March 2020 20: 19 New
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      Although, the Dzerzhinsky division should be respected, they deserved it during the war years!

      During the war years, this division had a completely different personnel, which earned respect for their real exploits. As well as in the Kantemirov and Taman divisions. And in 1993, Kantemirovskaya and Tamanskaya “became famous” from a completely different perspective. To be disbanded, as the Life Guards to the Semenovsky Regiment for the suppression of the 1905 revolution.
  2. Shadow041 17 March 2020 13: 13 New
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    It would be more useful to create a NATIONAL GUARD in the Russian Federation, modeled on the United States. This would allow for a small amount of money to have a combat reserve for the army and the Ministry of Emergencies, and renaming a number of parts of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the Russian Guard does not give anything.
    1. ccsr 17 March 2020 13: 36 New
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      Quote: Shadow041
      It would be more useful to create a NATIONAL GUARD in the Russian Federation, modeled on the United States.

      This is unlikely - we do not need such structures in general, because professionals are always better at work than those who are called upon only in critical situations.
      Quote: Shadow041
      and the renaming of a number of parts of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the Russian Guard does not give anything at all.

      I completely agree, not only didn’t it improve the interaction with the bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but, on the contrary, it worsened even from the point of view of coordinating joint actions, because these are different departments, and no one has yet eliminated the bureaucracy.
      The author of the article enthusiastically describes the advantages of creating the Rosguard, although those who understand the essence of what happened see that it was an artificially created structure that did not bring any particular benefit to the country, because the internal troops provided 285 million to the USSR not worse order as a part of the police than this makes the Russian Guard in 146 million of Russia, allocated in an independent structure.
      Well and the last - the name "guards" was received by units which during the war deserved it by their exploits. By the way, in the 70th Army, which was formed on the basis of the NKVD mobility reserve, such units were, i.e. and then they already proved themselves worthy of their name. What Rosgvardia did, that she was immediately given the title of “Guard”, I don’t know, but I think that in this case Putin simply decided to employ his guard by raising his status to the head of the power structure, because the command skills of this commander were not confirmed by anything during his time work in the protection of the president.
      1. Shadow041 17 March 2020 14: 23 New
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        NATIONAL GUARD, this is better than calling the militia, which has not been holding weapons for years, so here you are wrong ... Professionals, this is good, but the RF regular army is small and may not be enough in case of international conflict ... It’s worth considering ...
        1. domokl 17 March 2020 17: 43 New
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          laughing And why argue? Look at the official name of the Russian Guard - the Federal Service of the National Guard Troops of the Russian Federation.
          1. Shadow041 17 March 2020 18: 23 New
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            The AMD units renamed to Rosguard and the National Guard, modeled on the United States, are two different things, and we argue about that. The Rosguard is the cops in the full maintenance of the state, and the National Guard in the USA is the reserve, undergoing military training twice a month, being in the civil service and receiving some surcharge from the state for serving in the National Guard in peacetime, but not hanging on the neck of the state like Rosguard in the Russian Federation
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          Quote: Shadow041
          NATIONAL GUARD, this is better than calling the militia, which has not been holding weapons for years, so here you are wrong ...

          Who told you that I called for a militia? On the contrary, I am against any structures similar to the US National Guard, and I believe that our internal troops were a well-developed and reasonable form of organization of conscripts as part of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. This experience had to be implemented in modern Russia, and not to create the Rosguard, which is still not clear why it was created as an independent structure.
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            Internal troops are lightly armed units, and the US National Guard has both tank and air units. We need army units, we do not need so many cops !!!
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              Internal troops are lightly armed units, and the US National Guard has both tank and air units.

              If you compared the amount of weapons in the hands of US citizens, including automatic ones, then you would have guessed why they have tanks and planes in service with the National Guard. By the way, the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs had its own aviation, although it was mostly helicopters and transport, but nevertheless it was with us. But we didn’t need tanks - there was enough armored personnel carriers in the internal troops.
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                In other words, you are going to fight with your own people, and not protect the country from foreign occupation .... In this case, you are not needed at all! Russia needs an army, not fighters of its people!
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                  Quote: Shadow041
                  In other words, you are going to fight with your own people, and not protect the country from foreign occupation ..

                  From foreign occupation, we are intended to use ALL armed forces, but the structures of the Ministry of Defense will be decisive in this.
                  Quote: Shadow041
                  . In this case, you are not needed at all!

                  It was you who clearly addressed the wrong address - I personally believe that the internal troops within the Ministry of Internal Affairs are a more acceptable structure for our country than the current Russian Guard.
                  Quote: Shadow041
                  Russia needs an army, not fighters of its people!

                  I cannot take this your slogan seriously, if only because internal troops are needed in our country for a number of reasons, and even all sane citizens knew this in the USSR.
      2. saigon 17 March 2020 16: 07 New
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        And why the Rossgvardiya something to accomplish it?
        Historically, the guard guard the king or king or emperor, in short, the protection and rank was not given for military merit.
        During the Great Patriotic War, the title of the guard was assigned to units and formations for the difference in battles, well, since the Soviet authorities are not acceptable for the current authorities, and they remembered the old days.
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    There would be the head of the sane. And then he arranged a circus for the whole country with a challenge to Navalny to a duel. This is what you need to have in mind in order to reach this. And how many corruption scandals related to procurement for the Russian Guard? I have nothing against the fighters, because I believe that everything rests on them, on their professionalism and dedication. And, thank God that we see mainly their work, and not the work of leadership. But it so happened that both we and they are forced to endure this state of affairs.
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      apparently the generals and corruption are twin brothers lol
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    The army structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the presence of strong OMON and SOBR detachments allowed the ministry to actively participate in hostilities in the Caucasus during the first and second Chechen wars
    So would you participate, what did the army units of the Russian Defense Ministry attract there? And they’re screaming, like the army — to protect against an external aggressor, but how to storm Grozny, our boys were gathered in consolidated units and for slaughter! Unprepared! Where were the wonderful vovans? From the combined platoon that our unit sent to Tver alive, after Ivanovo hospital 1 (one) returned! This was told, the Afghan guys past cried. And not one trial, no guilty. Would tear g ... c.
    1. garrett 17 March 2020 13: 26 New
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      Where the wonderful vova were

      what a stupid post ... to put it mildly
      under oath they were and acted on orders
      1. Old partisan 17 March 2020 13: 58 New
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        It was written that Yeltsin was helped. When the army units refused.
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          thanks, smiled)))
          1. Old partisan 17 March 2020 14: 05 New
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            In general, it sounds great
            An NV battalion entered the territory of such-and-such a zone, where it laid several detachments of ground troops on asphalt. For which he received the honorary title of guard. Ugh on them.
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              there were no guards units in the explosives; the last convoy regiment ceased to exist in 1996.
              zy ugh on whom ??? on vvshnikov? Well then, you are a very strange person, this is like saying pooh for paratroopers or pilots, for explosives are just a separate branch of the armed forces with their missions (by the way, BUSS and tactical training at higher educational institutions of explosives were studied as well as in Moscow Region)
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                there were no guards units of emnip in VV,

                Actually, to be fair, some parts of the NKVD became guards:
                In the Battle of Kursk, not only the formations of the former Separate Army of the NKVD participated, but also units previously transferred from the internal troops to the Red Army, in particular, the 75th Guards Rifle Division, commanded by Major General V.A. Horishny. At one time it was the 13th motorized rifle division of internal troops. In the summer of 1942, she was transferred to the Red Army along with the 8th Infantry Brigade and was named the 95th SD, and for the difference in the Battle of Stalingrad she was awarded the title of Guards and became known as the 75th Guards Rifle Division. The guards did not drop their rank in the battle of Kursk.

                https://topwar.ru/30200-boevye-budni-odnoy-armii-pod-kurskom-70-armiya.html
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                  colleague, for the sake of justice, I wrote about the VV and not the NKVD (although of course the VV is the assignee of the NKVD troops). In total during the Second World War there were two guard divisions, and the 10th was awarded the Order of Lenin
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                    Quote: Garrett
                    colleague, for the sake of justice, I wrote about the VV and not the NKVD (although of course the VV is the assignee of the NKVD troops).

                    I believe that this issue should be considered only based on history.
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                    In total during the Second World War there were two guard divisions, and the 10th was awarded the Order of Lenin

                    It would be reasonable for them to be left in the BB structure as guards, who proved that they received this title for good reason. True, I don’t know what happened to these divisions in the future, but in my opinion this tradition could not be abandoned, and this would benefit the entire system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Indeed, many post-war chiefs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs had military awards precisely for participating in battles, and therefore it would not be unnatural to keep military units as part of the BB.
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          Mark and stain indelible
      2. Shkodnik65 17 March 2020 16: 15 New
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        what a stupid post ... to put it mildly
        under oath they were and acted on orders

        Dear, let's take it easy in the specifications. Before giving a characterization of my post, carefully read what I wrote again. Did I write that the Vovans did not fight? or that they performed their duties poorly? My post is that if there were perfectly trained units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, OMON and SOBR forces, why was it urgent to send an unprepared soldier of the RF Armed Forces to storm Grozny without combat coordination and army specialties. (Our fighters from the guard company were appointed mortars, and they only saw mortars on TV). Urgent? Without well-trained explosive fighters? Why does the author deliver these solemn speeches worthy of speeches at the party meetings of the USSR? My post is not about the military personnel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. My post about the author.
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          if there were well-trained units of the MVD, OMON, and SOBR forces, why was it urgent to send an unprepared soldier of the RF Armed Forces to storm Grozny without combat coordination and army specialties.

          Do not go too far ... BB and other riot police never taught to storm the city. And about the unprepared soldiers ... Remember the army of that time. Where could I get prepared? And so, combat-ready units were gathered by platoon company from all over Russia. It was a payment for betraying the country ...
          My son just went the same way. Ichtamnet. He returned with a bullet in his leg. Thank God alive .. And the friend at his checkpoint the same sniper shot cleanly.
          1. Shkodnik65 18 March 2020 11: 55 New
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            Do not go too far ... BB and other riot police never taught to storm the city.
            If you have or were related to the Armed Forces, then I am surprised at your post. This Army personnel were never taught in peacetime to storm Russian cities and wage an armed struggle with Russian citizens. Never taught anywhere. This is nonsense. If you have ever studied tactics and warfare, you must know this. It’s the same as putting a civilian pilot on a fighter plane and setting the task to conduct an air battle: why, he is also a pilot! Even freeing our settlements, we are fighting against the EXTERNAL aggressor. There is another tactic. It is under these tasks that the Army is imprisoned. And in Chechnya there were our citizens. He threw AKM under his feet and that’s all, he is a Russian, he has a Russian passport (or the USSR - it doesn’t matter) to remind you how many guys got burnt on it and our courts judged under the laughter of our bandits. And they planted it. And Chechen women who threw themselves under the car. All this was not taught from the word absolutely at the Higher School of Defense of the USSR. This is the task of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. But since the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the police could only drive old women at the train stations, collect drunks and protect the zones, and the operation was called “military”, “literate strategists” decided - let the army solve this problem then. Because there is SOME more !!! No prepared explosives. That's what I wrote about.
            I remember that army very well, because at that time I was acting as chief of staff of a unit. Only now, no commander of the soldier he needs will be sent to the combined units, they sent those whom they wanted to get rid of. And this shobla of motley fighters, you cannot say otherwise, without having completed combat coordination, having the appropriate specialties, was thrown to slaughter. Well, as you put it another way, if the fighters of the security unit in the consolidated regiment were appointed mortar, grenade launchers and spotters. And about the mortars, the boys knew what they were. All knowledge. As I wrote above, out of the 30 people we sent to Tver, alone returned to the artillery regiment alive. ONE! So your son is lucky.
            To summarize: the author l. E t (sorry, misleading) according to the old Soviet habit of solemn speeches, there were no well-trained MVD, OMON and SOBR troops at that time.
        2. garrett 18 March 2020 09: 55 New
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          My post about the author

          Sorry, I misunderstood you.
          what if there were perfectly prepared parts of the Ministry of Internal Affairs VV

          I’ll add that at that time in VV there was the same mess and devastation as in the Moscow Region. I personally watched, because he had already served in the BB
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      The military units of the Moscow Region were involved, because the command decided so. Moreover, here are soldiers of the VV, they carried out and are carrying out the order, just like the soldiers of the Moscow Region. What is your passage I do not understand. Or do you think the 3000 killed and 9000 injured in the Chechen wars of the BB soldiers are not worthy of respect compared to the soldiers of the Moscow Region who also sacrificed their lives and were injured while following the order?
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        Moreover, here are soldiers of the VV, they carried out and are carrying out the order, just like the soldiers of the Moscow Region. What is your passage I do not understand.
        Personally, I don’t make any claims to the soldiers of the VV, I am a citizen of my country and I know very well that both soldiers carried out the order and each life is priceless, regardless of the color of the shoulder strap and belonging to the structures. My words refer solely and exclusively to the author of the publication and his bravura
        [B]The army structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs’s Internal Troops and the presence of strong OMON and SOBR detachments allowed the ministry to actively participate in hostilities in the Caucasus during the first and second Chechen wars [/ B]
        I am simply outraged that in the presence of the MVD Ministry of Internal Affairs and strong OMON and SOBR detachments, completely unprepared green boys were thrown to slaughter, namely to slaughter. So both BB and OMON with the SOBR were not so strong, that’s what the conversation is about. Zadolbali these ceremonial matches of the late USSR.
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          I agree, but with a reservation, if you do not count riot police and SOBR, then among the VVshnikov the same was full of unfired and green guys.
          And, unfortunately, it is unlikely that anyone will actually bear the responsibility for throwing the boys into a meat grinder.
  5. Wengr 17 March 2020 13: 25 New
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    Gathered in a bunch of warriors and police officers. The regulatory framework is crude and with a bunch of gaps. The first with the second is forever the size, let’s say, of a trainer measured. A completely different mentality. I work in the Russian Guard, if that.
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      Then you understand why this is happening. Remember Minister Kulikov. It’s not just that the commander of the VV suddenly became the Minister of the Interior. At that time, under EBNe, explosives were held in high esteem. And then the humiliation of the Ministry of Internal Affairs by the appointment of the devil to the top leadership, who also remember ... And remember the scandals ...
      They deliberately lowered the prestige of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
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        at EBNe, BB were at a premium

        O RLY ??? this is a twist))))) and what is this honor expressed ??? tell me about it, I just wore high school cadets shoulder straps in 95, had seen enough of this respect .... and how they fed shit and how the officers were forbidden to come to the service and beggarly salaries with monthly delays ... honor, damn it laughing
  6. Lexus 17 March 2020 13: 28 New
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    I clearly understand what army guard formations and units are. And here I am refusing to consider a bunch of guards, batons and other "victims" of plastic cups.
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      Alexey, hello! Welcome back. hi
      Totally agree with you. At one time, that in the tsarist, that in the Soviet armies, the guard rank was acquired by blood, including its own, and not just someone else's. Becoming a guard by smashing someone’s nose with a club is nonsense. stop
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        Alexey, hello! Welcome back. hi
        Totally agree with you. At one time, that in the tsarist, that in the Soviet armies, the guard rank was acquired by blood, including its own, and not just someone else's. Becoming a guard by smashing someone’s nose with a club is nonsense. stop

        In the tsarist army there was a life guard, which was originally privileged troops close to the emperor ...
        Praetorians, God forgive me.
        Guard only in Soviet times - an honorary name.
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          Praetorians, God forgive me.

          In vain do you feel about the life guards of that period - almost the entire pre-war guard fell on the battlefields of the First World War almost in the first two years, and by the time of the October Revolution, some life guards regiments changed 3-4 times. So the imperial guard fought courageously and with dignity, and we should not consider them only as an element of protection of the imperial house, especially since then there were artillery units in the guard.
          Quote: Thick
          Guard only in Soviet times - an honorary name.

          Not certainly in that way:
          In the Red Army and the Navy of the Soviet Union, on the basis of personal orders of the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command (SVKK) and the People’s Commissariat of Defense of the USSR (NPO USSR) [10], monetary allowance to all personnel of the guards, one and a half was established - to the commanding (higher, senior, middle and junior) composition, and to the soldiers - a double salary.
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            In vain do you feel about the life guards of that period -

            The Life Guard was an elite. They bravely fought for Faith, Fatherland and Tsar in all the wars of the Republic of Ingushetia. At the same time, they took the liberty of changing emperors and rebelling (the Life Guards Semyonovsky Regiment), and sometimes performed gendarme functions. They escorted the People’s Volunteers and suppressed the revolution of 1905 ... Well, directly Praetorians .... So he called without hesitation at all.
            Great-grandfather served as a lower rank in the Life Guards Semyonovsky under Alexander III.
            Father fought in the 39th Guards Motor Rifle Division in Stalingrad.
            Never and nowhere have I diminished the importance of the Guard troops.
            He only noticed that in the USSR the rank of guardsman was deserved, and not appointed by the emperor ....
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      I refuse to consider the guard.

      your right ... only in February 1917 IN2 did not have the right parts, but the IVS never lacked this - the government is learning ... request
  7. Trotil42 17 March 2020 13: 28 New
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    In Novokuznetsk, an employee of the Russian National Guard killed a two-year-old child ... then he hid the corpse ... something like that .. Zolotov from Navalny threatened to make a juicy chop .. but it didn’t grow together ..... I remember .. the group is comparable to the MO .. here that I know about the Russian Guard ..
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      In Novokuznetsk employee of the Russian Guard killed

      And let's see who else killed someone? Drivers, for example. Or are there plumbers?
      1. Trotil42 19 March 2020 04: 31 New
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        If you don’t understand the difference .. the sadness .. the state gave him arms .. paid the taxpayers money for what he would protect ... (my money) .. gave more rights than the plumbing .. and he suffered ... he directed a stream of water into the child’s mouth and probably enjoyed his convulsions ... Zolotov didn’t go far from him .. on the real questions of Navalny, promised to make a chop out of him ... to raise his image, so to speak such is the Rosguard ...
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          .Zolotov did not go far from him .. on the real questions of Navalny, promised to make a chop out of him ... so to speak, to raise his image

          Actually, it’s a disgrace to go down to this, instead of suing Navalny for defamation and instituting such a lawsuit against him to discredit his personality so that Navalny does away with the payment amount. And to give the money received to the orphanage - everyone would respect him then. And so Zolotov was afraid of public hearings, so there was something to be afraid of. But in my opinion it is wrong to identify Gold and the entire Rosguard - there are mostly normal people there, and they carry out the tasks that the state set for them, and not Zolotov personally.
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            I absolutely agree with you ... that's just such a solution to the issue and would have had a positive effect .. I do not like Navalny ... I consider him a PR man and provocateur ... but in this case Zolotov played into his hands ... and lowered his department, to the level of a gang with fisticuffs ..
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              . I do not like Navalny ... I consider him a PR man and provocateur ... but in this case Zolotov played into his hands ... and lowered his department to the level of a gang with fist showdowns ..

              This opinion is shared by all sane people who have life experience and who understand that it is impossible to discredit our power structures through their resourcefulness. Navalny is a swindler, of course, but Zolotov’s behavior cannot be reasonably explained - the same to me two home-grown “pillar nobles” appeared in our sky, chickens to laugh.
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          If you do not understand the difference.

          I understand that in any fairly large group of people there will certainly be an unclean person. Least. Such is life, and there is nothing to be done about it. Of course, such people must be fought, but raising the cry “everything is lost” is simply stupid.
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            I agree with you that in every herd there is a black sheep ... this is so ... but the Rossguard group is not at all targeted under terrorists or law enforcement. 340 thousand is clearly redundant ... why are the flame guard systems in service with the Rossguard? Zolotov threatens to make chops out of people asking uncomfortable questions ..
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              imprisoned not at all under terrorists or law enforcement. 340 thousand. This is clearly redundant .. why in the arsenal of the Russian Guard the flamethrower systems

              Nowadays, the main threat comes not from the enemy’s invasion from the outside, but from the “smart” insiders encouraged by this enemy. The United States will not climb into an open confrontation, but they are happy to try to inflate the internal turmoil. BTR, BMP, howitzer artillery - this is not a weapon to suppress some kind of "popular demonstrations", for this they simply are not needed, there is another technique. But if, God forbid, somewhere blaze up like in the 90s in Chechnya, then to counter such threats it will not require water cannons or cars with sliding walls, but more serious weapons.
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                It is likely ... the power creates this situation ... dividing the people on the basis of property ... how can we explain the minimum pension in Siberia at 12500 rubles. and in Moscow 19500r.? A big salary of a miner in 50 000 rubles (usually less) in Siberia, and 30 thousand janitor in Moscow? An order of magnitude difference in the salaries of doctors, etc. The mines are closing ... mass layoffs ... This may burn out ... and the Russian Guard will go to crush the hungry miners ... explaining with the machinations of the West ... I believe in such a scenario ... What’s the matter with the West?
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                  It is likely ... this situation creates power .. dividing the people on the basis of property.

                  There is no ideal society, it was not and never will be. In the USSR, there were also enough discontented people, which they don’t like to remember now.
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    Now it’s not the huntsman Uncle Vasya who checks hunters, but a whole group of employees from different departments. Used drones, helicopters, cars, ATVs. And everything is checked at once. From the availability of documents to the use of alcohol and game, which was obtained by the hunter.

    And what does the Guard have to do with it, would Uncle Vasya give authority, the effect would be no less than that of the "division" of inspectors.
    And so they lit a bunch of controlling loafers "with drones" - and the country's economy is bursting at the seams, unable to withstand so many law enforcement agencies.
    I write as a fighter of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
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      laughing You can see right away that you are not a hunter ... Uncle Vasya has always had many powers. Only he was not substituted under bullets from drunken ocherniks. And the majority of poachers are his friends, neighbors, classmates and other local village people.
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        noooooo, not a hunter, it’s clear that there are many drunken fools and authorities must work with them, but efforts must be proportionate, otherwise each working person can have three sentries laughing
  9. Ross xnumx 17 March 2020 13: 47 New
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    Let us all rejoice at the created military structure of 340 people. This composition can solve any problems. It is a pity that the structure devotes much effort (apparently by order from above) to putting things in order in public life, where its intervention is not required at all. It is clear that order is order, but defending anti-people’s decisions is worthless. People have the right to live by the laws of their land - by laws binding on everyone; have the right not to live in a landfill; they have a right:
    ... gather peacefully without weapons, hold meetings, rallies and demonstrations, marches and pickets.

    without being injured ...
    And the figure of Mr. Zolotov itself became so odious and unpopular among the people over scandals with purchases, relatives and property abroad, etc., for example, that this gentleman, born in 1954, could be “sent” with a light hand for a well-deserved rest last year...
    And you and I have examples of the main (many thousands) application of the structure completely not in those cases when they give rewards, and even more so - posthumously. This casts a shadow on the Rosguard, no matter how lofty words it sang its necessity and relevance ...
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      they do what they are supposed to do by law. folk or anti-people it is not for them to decide. a man in uniform carries out orders. dot. dumb or dumb they should not care either.
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        The Nazis also obeyed orders:
        folk or anti-people it is not for them to decide. a man in uniform carries out orders. dot

        , for some reason, claims to them, even in the form of an international Tribunal, have been formalized and are still being searched all over the world.
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          super. you now compared our fighters with the nazis / seriously ?!
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          2. Edward Vashchenko 17 March 2020 17: 36 New
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            Do you justify the Nazis and do not recognize the decisions of the Nuremberg trials? Seriously?
            subordinates must evaluate the legality of the order given by the boss, and are responsible for the execution of orders that are clearly unlawful for them (the boss who issued a clearly illegal order is liable in any case)
            - Our grandfathers fought for this, we served in the USSR Armed Forces, if you are not in the know.
            Do not write nonsense about the execution of illegal orders, do not mislead.
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          for some reason, claims to them, even in the form of an international Tribunal, have been formalized and are still being searched all over the world.

          To the soldiers and officers of the Wehrmacht? Are you confusing anything? To the SS, yes, but to the soldiers ...
          1. Edward Vashchenko 17 March 2020 19: 05 New
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            Keitel, chief of staff and Erich Johann Albert Raeder, commander of the Navy, this is according to Nuremberg.
            And war crimes were committed not only by the SS, who committed 6 and attracted.
        3. forester1971 17 March 2020 22: 53 New
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          So you decided to compare officers and soldiers of the Russian Guard with the Nazis? Did they really deserve it?
          1. Edward Vashchenko 17 March 2020 23: 11 New
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            This is your opinion, do not distort - it is you who draw conclusions. Read carefully and do not lie.
            I am writing about the fact that criminal orders cannot be executed by anyone where the guard grew up here?
            Do you think that criminal orders can be carried out? Are you calling for crimes against humanity?
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              Distort just you. What kind of criminal orders did Rosguard units fulfill in your “competent” opinion? And what exactly did I lie? Or is this accusation just like that - to the heap?
              1. Edward Vashchenko 17 March 2020 23: 26 New
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                I repeat, the one who obeys criminal orders is a criminal, but our grandfathers did not fight, we did not serve in the BB for that reason, and therefore the Russian Guard must serve within the law in order to be worthy of their ancestors. Do you disagree?
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                  I said somewhere that it is necessary to carry out criminal orders ?! In my opinion, you already issue charges on the machine. Initially, I said that comparing Rosguard military personnel with the Nazis is, to put it mildly, incorrect. I’m not going to argue further.
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                  do you have a struggle with yourself? right hemisphere versus left? they tell you they carry out orders and are legitimate they are confirmed you write illegal. you are asked what kind of criminal orders they have followed you start a song that should serve as part of the law ....
                  1. Edward Vashchenko 18 March 2020 09: 30 New
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                    No, dear. You think that it is necessary to comply with any laws, and I will give you an example of what it means to carry out any orders in history, and in the end what it leads to.
                    Remember about Müller: at first the Nazis were beaten, then the Communists, and then ...
                    You have already shifted towards the implementation of "legitimate" orders, initially
                    It was about "orders. And the point," so I reacted.
                    Here is an example, in Shyessa, employees beat Citizens absolutely illegally, used inappropriate violence and not force, contrary to the laws of the Russian Federation, defending a PRIVATE BUILDING!
                    Are you for such orders that the "point" would be executed? And then the Court recognized that the construction is not legal, how is it? That is, they pounded people legally?
                    Do not distort, I served in the VV and I know what competent actions are, there were no such outrages.
                    1. carstorm 11 18 March 2020 23: 23 New
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                      for sure. you tell Novocherkassk residents about what was not. once served the history of their explosives should know. as for orders. serviceman takes the oath. any order must be executed. if you do not agree with the order, you can appeal in the prescribed manner. Discussion (criticism) of the order is unacceptable, and failure to fulfill the order of the commander (chief) given in the prescribed manner is a crime against military service. The order (order) must comply with federal laws, military charters and orders of higher commanders (chiefs). When giving an order (order), the commander (chief) must not allow abuse of official powers or their excess.
                      Commanders (commanders) are prohibited from giving orders (orders) that are not related to the performance of military duties or aimed at violating the laws of the Russian Federation. Commanders (chiefs) who have issued such orders (orders) are held liable in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation. Having executed the order, a soldier who does not agree with the order may appeal it. After doing this, remember. Enough of the service to build democracy. So it was not and will not be. Anyone who does not like can execute a report and be indignant after at least until turning blue.
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                        Enough of the service to arrange democracy.

                        I am the last on earth to advocate such a thing.
                        The dispute is meaningless: Follow the laws of the Russian Federation and everything will be right, we, however, have the right laws, never break them.
                        And do not write nonsense about Novocherkassk and VV, Ros Guard is the successor of VV, although the new structure still has to study, study and study again before the BB.
                        hi
          2. From Siberia we 27 March 2020 14: 34 New
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            Did they really deserve it?

            Yes, that’s what they deserve.
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        [quote] [/ quote] they do what they are supposed to do by law. folk or anti-people it is not for them to decide. a man in uniform carries out orders. dot. dumb or dumb they should not care either.
        Officers have another officer honor..the Alpha group refused to storm the White House, during the Yeltsin’s coup ... there were children ... but there were also those who shot from tanks .. apparently you are from the last ... who are in the tank .. and ready to receive shameful money for corpses children ..
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          but there were those who shot from tanks .. apparently you are from the last ... who are in the tank .. and ready to receive shameful money for the bodies of children ..

          Those who shot from the tanks, carried out the order of their commander Evnevich, who is responsible for the actions of subordinates. By the way, so that you know, the overwhelming number of officers in the army despised him, and he ingloriously ended his service, because contempt in this environment remains until the end of his life. Although I do not approve of the actions of those who were sitting in the tank at that time, I also cannot curse them, because I was not in their position.
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            So there’s the answer to you..Alfovtsev is not despised ... they are heroes and in this case showed heroism .. what is worthy of an officer..heroism and refusal of crime are part of the concept of a military officer ... end up like Evnevich ... shoot at old men and women? Could you Me not..
        2. From Siberia we 27 March 2020 14: 38 New
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          The officers have another officer honor.

          The last officers with honor ended in civilian
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        With this logic, you and the SS will not be guilty of anything
    2. Edward Vashchenko 17 March 2020 14: 21 New
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      Let us all rejoice at the created military structure of 340 people.

      And the increase in taxes, there were few military structures.
      Let's create a couple more and be happy.
      Let's ask a question, what is the effectiveness of this structure? Not comparing with "Uncle Vasya, the huntsman", but for example, with Chechnya? how are we doing? How many units out of 340 control it, is it comparable with the USSR, how many Vshnikov were there? and do they control how VVshniki then?
  10. AK1972 17 March 2020 13: 53 New
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    What now? The Russian Guard is responding to violations of the law no less harshly than before, but it performs all actions in accordance with applicable law, and with video recording. In these conditions, provocateurs can no longer tell tales of violations. Numerous attempts to do this in court failed.

    And maybe they failed because of the "independence" of our courts. The Constitutional Court also recognized the unconstitutional procedure for amending the Constitution as legal. Although I’m not a lawyer, I also understand the illegality of this procedure. What can we say about lower level vessels?
    1. domokl 17 March 2020 18: 27 New
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      It is difficult to comment on a person who does not hear and does not read. The Russian Guard is not responsible for the courts, laws and other corruption. They do their job of protecting public order. They are service people. You work for an oligarch. Although you understand that the owner did not cut the first money in a righteous way. And employees catch criminals, risk their lives when they seize terrorists and maintain order so that you or me, unbelievable thugs at some protest rally, don't muzzle their faces simply because you did not want to participate in their action.
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        [quote = domokl] It is difficult to comment on a person who does not hear and does not read.[/ Quote]
        Alexander, it seems to me that you have beguiled something. It is not you who are commenting on me, but I am you, because you are an author. You can reply to the comment, you can not answer if difficult. Well, try to answer available. Just ask you to read more closely.
        Quote: domokl
        They do their job of protecting public order. They are service people

        Where did you see the objection in my comment? I wrote that attempts to challenge the actions of the WG in court failed because the courts are by no means independent and, as a rule, take the side of law enforcement agencies, and often cover their crimes (this is not only about the WG). I will not list the cases when a guilty verdict was issued to law enforcement officers only when the case received public outcry. While the percentage of acquittals for mortals is 0,5%
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        You work for an oligarch. Although you understand that the owner did not cut the first money in a righteous way.

        Why do you think so? I work at a large machine-building enterprise, including defense products, and in large volumes, moreover, in the framework of research and development and development, often on an initiative basis. Although the enterprise is private, the owner (who devoted his whole life to military service) pays great attention to the technical re-equipment and development of production, and your claim that he is an oligarch and unjustly cut the first money is baseless and insulting. The guard of the oligarchs, and accordingly the authorities (what is the oligarchy, you know) is exactly the Rosguard and you, glorifying it.
        And the last: you, probably, keeping up with the times have already amended the site’s rules on the possibility for moderators to impolitely communicate with site members.
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  11. iouris 17 March 2020 14: 20 New
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    Guard (ital. Guardia "protection, protection"). The Guard is (literally) bodyguards.
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      Quote: iouris
      Guard (ital. Guardia "protection, protection"). The Guard is (literally) bodyguards.

      Police (fr. Police, from other Greek. Ἡ πολιτεία - state, city) - a system of public services and public order policing bodies.
      Militia (from lat. Militia - “army”, “service”, “militia” from lat. Miles - “warrior”, milites - warriors from Latin mille - “thousand”) are the same.

      The gendarmerie (fr. Gens d'armes, lit. - "people of arms"), or internal troops, - the police, having a military organization and performing security functions within the country and in the army (field gendarmerie or military police).
      Carabinieri (Italian: Arma dei Carabinieri)
      carry out police functions in the territory of the Italian Republic and the functions of the military police during the foreign operations of the Italian armed forces and as part of the European gendarmerie.
      The Russian Guard is the central command and control body of the National Guard of the Russian Federation (VNG of Russia), created on the basis of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. Refers to state militarized organizations that have the right to acquire military weapons.
  12. Po-tzan 17 March 2020 14: 28 New
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    What has changed in our life with the advent of the Russian Guard

    There was another batch of parasites who want to retire at 40 and with an apartment.
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      would you go to the army. over the garrisons of 20 years flew. and then they discussed when to retire and with what privileges. freeloaders damn it. where do you get these from?
  13. Obi-Wan Kenobi 17 March 2020 14: 33 New
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    This is not an article, but just some kind of Ode to the Russian Guard !!!
    Something more modest must be, today is not April 5!

    Author, which of this is not true?
    “Putin creates a personal power structure,” “Putin’s personal guards become the head of a powerful security agency,” “A new gendarmerie has appeared in Russia,” and so on.

    And the main question is why do we need this in Russia?
    Thus, the Ministry of Internal Affairs was sufficiently enlarged, which made it possible if the explosives were retained within the ministry and were comparable in numbers to the Russian army. The withdrawal of VV reduced the number of employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs by a third.

    This is our guarantor who wants to protect and from whom? To save the army from the Russian Guard or vice versa? Or still yourself with friends?
    In the USSR there weren’t so many police and explosives, and there were much less bandits and thieves of all stripes.
  14. Tests 17 March 2020 14: 55 New
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    Before they had guessed to create an OSK and “put things in order” in SEVMASH, Zvyozdochka and the Arctic guarded the VOKhR enterprises, the VOKhR detachments were subordinate to the directors of the enterprises, and depended on their budget. At the same time, both the SEVMASH and the Zvyozdochka had non-bribery guards - service dogs. They were liquidated, as liquidated the posts of those who went for dogs, fed, treated. Sevmash immediately did not need aviaries, fodder kitchen, veterinary facilities, brand new, less than 10 years old as built. Factories began to hold tenders - who will ask for less money for protection. Either Min Prom, then MinTrans protected GRTSAS plants, then in Moscow there was a head, then in Murmansk, then in St. Petersburg. True, the salaries of the guards did not grow and there were shots - you won’t look without tears ... They promised that they would all heal in the Russian Guard. Rosguard now guards the plants of Severodvinsk, personnel are the same, salaries are ridiculous, the quality of security is 3 with a huge minus.
    PSB became under Rosguard. Service control - no. For hours I see the guards sleeping in the spring sun in the auto patrol, they save some gas ... The permit system was given to the Russian Guard. The number of inspections of hunters has not increased in any way ... As riot policemen from Arkhangelsk roofed the business, and now they are roofing. But before, the police own security at least occasionally beat them on the hands. And now it's time for the little polar fox, called - the scribe.
    Someone received the title and position, someone the power and the ability to regulate the export of hunting weapons and ammunition from abroad for, I believe, chocolates, and the bulk of the inhabitants of Severodvinsk did not respond to the new musketeers of the king from the word NIKAK.
  15. Leshy1975 17 March 2020 15: 07 New
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    We often talk and write that our president comes from the KGB. Moreover, in most cases, this circumstance is mentioned in a negative way. Thanks to pro-Western liberals, the mention of the Committee has become a kind of stigma.

    Oooh, how thick it went. Yesterday, an article with endless enthusiasm about Putin. Today the same Faberge, only on the side. And again, continuous distortion, rewriting. None of the worthy employees that the Russian Guard, that the KGB does not condemn here. There is nothing worthy of blaming. Those who covered themselves with others at the moment of danger, because such a duty and service. Moreover, the opinion of those themselves from the special services about Putin’s civilians is not at all clear.

    As for specifically the employees of the Russian Guard, then there are also different people serving. There are such shameful:

    And there are those to whom I shake hands and consider it an honor:
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      Moreover, the opinion of those themselves from the special services about citizen Putin is not at all unambiguous.

      good If true, well, at least a third ...
  16. Vladimir61 17 March 2020 15: 32 New
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    There is no point in proving to those who, besides anger, envy and hatred, have nothing more human!
    It makes no sense to point to the authors of specific posts in which the article provoked such a stormy, negative reaction.
    Thanks to the author! Normal people must remember who they owe for a peaceful and quiet life!

    Heroes of Russia - employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and the Russian Guard
    Since 1993, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia has been awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation to 201 employees and military personnel, including 148 posthumously.
    Of these: 60 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (47 posthumously)!

    https://мвд.рф/наши-герои
    1. Deck 17 March 2020 18: 17 New
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      Normal people must remember who they owe for a peaceful and quiet life!


      A normal, peaceful and calm life in people - when your friends are not. Without any respect.
      1. Vladimir61 17 March 2020 19: 16 New
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        Without any respect.

        I don’t give a damn about your respect, as well as those who were noted by minuses in memory, about the 101 killed employee and military man! There are only a lot of you in “VO”, but in life - a meager. That's why rage.
        As the father-in-law says, when such "non-lovers of cops" get snot, they run ahead of everyone, and not to their mother, but to the nearest department!
        1. polar fox 17 March 2020 19: 40 New
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          not to fans of cops

          but do not confuse the cops and guards ... we are different.
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            but do not confuse the cops and guards ... we are different.

            The guards call guards in the zone and escorts ... So, you do not reach the "different we"! I, in my time, having a medical education, came to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and for ten years I sang an opera, and my father-in-law, a full quarter!
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              ten years with an opera trumpeted

              I congratulate you, the trumpeter. I did not trumpet, I dragged the service. We did not have troubadours ... like the days off.
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                I congratulate you, the trumpeter. I did not trumpet, I dragged the service. We did not have troubadours ... like the days off.

                The opportunists are dragging the service and the chocolatiers! Tell tales to others.
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                  The opportunists are dragging the service and the chocolatiers!

                  unfortunately, we didn’t have such positions ... but you better know, you’ve been blowing for 10 years.
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                    This is where you pierced! "Chocolate" all their life called OBHSSnikov.
                    And the opera, almost all, are often expressed in jargon, - "cut off from the bell to the bell." Probably turned around on patrol?
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          to whom do they owe


          Insolent! Owe them! But you shouldn’t give a damn for eating sweetly and sleeping warmly for miners and drivers, who kill hundreds and thousands a year? The hard workers who dress you and put on your shoes and die before you reach retirement, where you will rest for 20 years after your hard work. In the nineties they hid in the corners, and about twenty years as a string of ball-skiers stretched: "you owe us"
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    [quote] For high results in work in 2018, the Kalachevsky separate operational brigade of the national guard (Southern District) was awarded the Zhukov Order. For courage and bravery shown in the performance of military duty, 569 employees of the Russian Guard were awarded state awards, 9 of them posthumously. Departmental awards were awarded to more than 34 thousand employees. Impressive. / Quote]
    Rotenberg forgotten.
  18. Mordvin 3 17 March 2020 15: 40 New
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    Comrade Staver (Domocles?), But did the Kantemirovskaya, Taman Division, or the 106th Airborne Forces belong to the Ministry of Internal Affairs?
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      Comrade Staver (Domocles?), But did the Kantemirovskaya, Taman Division, or the 106th Airborne Forces belong to the Ministry of Internal Affairs?

      I re-read the article twice and did not find any mention in it about these parts ... Maybe I read the wrong text?
      1. Mordvin 3 17 March 2020 21: 20 New
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        I read the article twice by letter and did not find any mention in it about these parts ...

        The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia intensified. This was due to the fact that the Ministry of Internal Affairs was the pillar of President Yeltsin. The first time the Ministry of Internal Affairs, or rather, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, proved their allegiance to Yeltsin in October 1993. It was then that the soldiers and officers of the BB carried out the order without a doubt - despite the fact that the army units and FSK security forces refused to shoot at the White House.

        I am about these lines. Or did the crews of the tanks shooting the White House consist of Interior Ministry officers? Not everyone refused. Yes, and to whom Shoigu was giving out machine guns, plainly it is not clear.
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          It’s clear where ...
          https://rjadovoj-rus.livejournal.com/4090632.html
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            https://rjadovoj-rus.livejournal.com/4090632.html

            No matter where it comes from. I haven’t forgotten reports from Moscow in '93. But what Shoigu was talking about 4 PM in the old square, I do not understand.
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              No matter where it comes from.

              Yes, that’s understandable. Simply, in such periods there is always a stratification of the masses into pros and cons, and the servicemen also have to choose between an oath and a conscience.
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          Well, this text does not at all reject the fact of the presence in the defenders of some parts of the Defense Ministry as well. he just does not focus on this.
  19. savment 17 March 2020 16: 17 New
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    Many criminals were detained ...... This is when they sleep at sludge points waiting for the alarm to go off. Powerful fight against crime. The author probably recalls those times when rz was running around the city and patrolling the streets, because it was easier for them to work than the PPS, which performed a bunch of unusual tasks for them. And they were free birds, I don’t want to work. And the guys were taken there only after a minimum of 5 years of work on the ground in PPS.
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    gendarmes, and that’s what it says .... sadly
  21. Dart2027 17 March 2020 19: 25 New
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    Judging by the comments, this was the right decision.
  22. Region-25.rus 17 March 2020 22: 35 New
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    Gathered in a bunch of warriors and police officers. The regulatory framework is crude and with a bunch of gaps. The first with the second is forever the size, let’s say, of a trainer measured. A completely different mentality. I work in the Russian Guard, if that.

    I was with a colleague in St. Petersburg at a rally at the Finland Station, when they accepted the retirement age. Your colleagues were there in cordon. They stood, smoked, chuckled. 90% of the personnel present were (with all due respect) representatives of the Asian republics, and judging by the dialect of the Great and the Mighty (I concluded that they probably received citizenship by express method). Well ... when I was smoking away from the mass of people, I looked close. And I realized - in which case (team fas!) They will go to wield regardless of the consequences. And they will call for reinforcements most likely. For there were relatively few of them. and the organizers called not to provoke and behave decently. Then it worked out. People were mostly adults. But here’s “if” ... Understand, I’m far from a schoolboy, and I understand people a little. They would start breaking without considering the consequences.
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      What are the Asian republics within the Russian Federation ????
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    Well then, in LRO there is no simple paper and, as the best present, do the inspectors perceive a box of paper?
  24. Brigadier 18 March 2020 01: 42 New
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    "What has changed with the creation of the Russian Guard?"

    It has changed that the "Great Leader" today has a completely legal body for dispersing meetings and demonstrations that are unnecessary to him. And now he does not have to strain in front of the West, because the police did it before, which was actually not done for that.
    Yes, and the National Guard itself today knows very well how people "relate" to it. lol


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      and before he was supposedly not there? on the swamp nobody) all by themselves there organized themselves into cordons and pulled violent)))) miracles)
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      Illegal rallies! Try THERE to rally without permission, yeah, ask yellow vests.
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  26. faterdom 18 March 2020 18: 09 New
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    The author tried to expose in a scientific way, but in the end it turned out to be loyal, and in fact false in many main points.

    Let's start from the end - the structure was created objectively randomly randomly pulled specifically under the head - Viktor Zolotov (personally loyal to You-Know-Whom, and the former head of His guard).
    Those who are familiar with the structure and tasks of the departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs understand this as 2X2.
    What is so common between internal troops (which are troops) and licensing and permitting units (LRR) - a purely bureaucratic reporting and accounting structure? Numerous security units, which in essence and tasks are a semi-private shop for protecting objects for money (a competitor is purely private offices licensed by the mentioned LRR)?
    Special units of OMON and SOBR ... Maybe someone thinks that they are one and the same - that’s not so!
    Riot police were created in the late Soviet era to counter riots, while the SWAT was created as part of the RUOPOV to capture or destroy armed and dangerous criminals and free hostages. The UBOPs themselves, though Medvedev quietly multiplied by zero (they offended friends, respected people), the SOBRs remained the power tool of the criminal police - to cushion the operational developments with a roar and effect (which the Rosgvardia still does not have the authority to deal with under the OSA Law).
    About who of the tanks shot the White House in '93 .... let's just say that the minister’s last name was “G” and he was not the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, so the author here, well, to put it mildly ... is not accurate. Although the Ministry of Internal Affairs, of course, participated in the provision of curfew and security measures in Moscow. Only these measures are already being carried out not "on the side of Yeltsin", in contrast to the shooting of the White House, but simply because of the nature of things: checking documents, searching for weapons, ammunition and so on ...
    So, it has joined, it hasn’t joined, I will tell you - according to many high-ranking acquaintances, for whom this trick is still unfounded, and even harmful in some ways, for example, the Ministry of Internal Affairs has to re-create a duplicate of the SOBR to capture armed criminals in order to time not to waste precious time on interdepartmental jabbering, phoning, coordination, printing of all kinds of joint plans and other near-scientific activities, which benefit only criminals, drug dealers and printer paper manufacturers. At that time, the Rosguard does not have its own operational information, which SOBR must implement.
    Well, the fact that the minister agreed - they didn’t ask him, but ordered him, he executed accordingly, it’s just that simple. Feature of power structures: order = done. Well this is not the Ministry of Economic Development ...
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    super. you now compared our fighters with the nazis / seriously ?!
    The ideology of your comment
    carstorm 11 (Dmitry) March 17, 2020 14:05
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    they do what they are supposed to do by law. folk or anti-people it is not for them to decide. a man in uniform carries out orders. dot. dumb or dumb they should not care either.
    pushed the comrade to this conclusion. sad