The trial of the destroyers of the USSR: to be or not to be

The trial of the destroyers of the USSR: to be or not to be

The topic of condemnation of all those who are guilty of destroying the most powerful and wonderful country, which remains for many of us the lost Motherland - the Soviet Union, is constantly being raised. A moral assessment of this event in Russia has already been given, right down to the highest level - the president of the country, who called him “the greatest tragedy of the twentieth century,” but what about the legal one? Does our society need a trial of those responsible for the collapse of the USSR, and how much is it possible? To be or not to be such a court ...


Any person with at least a minimum of knowledge in jurisprudence knows: there can be no court or sentence if the act considered as the subject of the proceedings is not reflected in the relevant regulatory framework. Simply put, it does not have a clear name and definition in the Criminal Code of the state that wants to punish someone for their deeds. In this case, there are more than enough grounds for initiating an appropriate criminal case, conducting an investigation and, accordingly, a court.

We will proceed, naturally, from the Criminal Code of the RSFSR (since we are talking about that period stories Russia, when the crime, in fact, was committed). It is clear that articles with a title like “Destruction of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics” will not be found there. Nevertheless, in the code of laws without any difficulty other articles are found that are more than relevant to the subject of our conversation. The first among them, of course, Art. 64 - “Treason to the Motherland”. In its framework, all the activities of the elite of the Soviet state from the mid-end of the 80s until its destruction, fit perfectly.

Articles 70 and 72, which proclaim the crime of violently calling for a constitutional order and organized activities to commit state crimes of particular danger, also apply to all those who, through their actions and inaction, contributed to the destruction of the homeland. Yes, and article 69, talking about wrecking, is also suitable. What else can be called the destruction of one of the most powerful economies in the world, the strongest army on the planet, the destruction of the results of labor and the feat of entire generations of Soviet people?

Now these articles are not in the Criminal Code? Well, I tell you, High Treason has not gone anywhere. And, in addition, the actions of the criminal “gangway”, which divided the Soviet Union in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, fit perfectly into the modern article “Forced seizure of power”.

Who would have to stand trial? The reference to the fact that "there are no others, but those farther" here, in my opinion, is untenable. If the trial we were discussing took place in reality, its main goal would not be to punish the surviving culprits (although it would not hurt to deprive some of them of completely undeserved life or posthumous statuses and honors), but finally, a clear legal assessment of everything that was going on in the USSR from 1986 to 1991. In this case, it would be not only about the trial of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich, Yakovlev, but about the condemnation of the then ruling elite of the CPSU, which has turned from a "leading and directing" into an almost universal gathering of traitors to the motherland.

No less severe assessment should have been given to the leadership of the country's special services, first of all, the State Security Committee, with all its unprecedented power, capabilities and powers, it did nothing to prevent the death of the state, which it was obliged to protect. The question of the position of the generals, senior leaders of the army, and law enforcement bodies of the Soviet Union, who silently looked at the catastrophe that was being prepared and is in progress and did not attempt to prevent it, except for the ridiculous GKChP, more like a bad performance than a coup, is also relevant.

By and large, the deputies of the Congresses of Soviets, who supported clearly unconstitutional, anti-state decisions and most of those who, carrying a party ticket in their jacket pockets and taking the oath to the Soviet Motherland, would have done nothing to save it. However, in this case, the circle of the accused will be too wide and extensive for the trial to take place ...

Is such a process necessary - at least on the next anniversary of the collapse of the USSR? I am sure that yes. If Russia intends to be considered the successor of the Soviet Union, all the more so, having consolidated this provision at the constitutional level, it should first of all deal with those who destroyed the country, whose affairs it intends to continue to one degree or another. At least - in order not to repeat her fate.
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  1. rocket757 17 March 2020 09: 05 New
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    Is such a process necessary - at least on the next anniversary of the collapse of the USSR? I am sure that yes.

    Not even funny ... just not possible in our current state.
    If Russia intends to be considered the successor of the Soviet Union, all the more so, having fixed this provision at the constitutional level,

    All this is very, very, ... very conditional, everyone wants wealth and achievements from the former, and so on, etc., etc. and obligations to citizens, we simply "forgave"
    First of all, it is necessary to deal with those who destroyed the country, whose affairs it intends to one degree or another to continue.

    seriously ... even discuss the desire is no longer, now it is useless!
    1. Svarog 17 March 2020 09: 09 New
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      A moral assessment of this event in Russia has already been given, right up to the highest level - the president of the country, who called him “the greatest tragedy of the twentieth century,” but what about the legal one?

      Such a process is absolutely necessary because any leader or organizer should be responsible. Another question is that today it is impossible. Today's figures are followers of those who destroyed the Union and the lives of many millions .. moreover, now they want to change the Constitution for themselves ..
      1. Snail N9 17 March 2020 09: 18 New
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        The trial of the destroyers of the USSR: to be or not to be

        What is the "court"? Already, they decided to "nullify" them all - let them continue to "rule" to the "grave plaque" (their own or already, "this" state) ... yes
        1. Terenin 17 March 2020 09: 35 New
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          Quote: Snail N9
          The trial of the destroyers of the USSR: to be or not to be

          What is the "court"? Already, they decided to "nullify" them all - let them continue to "rule" to the "grave plaque" (their own or already, "this" state) ... yes

          Why immediately "coffin boards" ... request
          This does not mean a court, with the deprivation of liberty of someone, but the adoption, finally, of a clear legal assessment of this event. That would, with the further development of the state, remove such a "rake" from the road.
          1. For example 17 March 2020 11: 16 New
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            Russia is my homeland.
            I was born in the USSR.
            But for a thousand years, my homeland existed before the USSR.
            The Russian state lived and grew stronger without a Western infection called communism.
            The Communists participated on the west side in the collapse of the Russian Empire.
            And then continued the collapse of my country - in 91 divided into pieces.

            The Communists and their followers regret the lost power. But you yourself have sold everything.
            Judge for yourself.
            You can only judge and blame. On someone else's hump, you want to enter paradise. Someone is always your fault.

            Trotsky first leader, then enemy. Stalin first leader, then enemy. Khrushchev first leader, then the enemy. And so with each of your "leader". WITH EVERYONE.

            The farther from the Russian land the communists will be, the more beautiful our life will be.

            All rubbish comes to us from the west.
            Communism and those are European fiction.


            In the meantime, put the minuses. Perhaps it’s easier. wassat

            If Russia intends to be considered the successor of the Soviet Union


            Russia is more than a thousand years old.
            But the USSR did not reach seventy, as the Communists sold it.

            Who is whose receiver? wink

            There are no receivers here. This is one and the same country. Russian state.
            1. Diana Ilyina 17 March 2020 11: 34 New
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              For example
              The Communists participated on the west side in the collapse of the Russian Empire.
              How is this? Is it really that the Communists planted a lazy king on the kingdom?
              The Communists and their followers regret the lost power.
              and right there
              And then continued the collapse of my country - in 91 divided into pieces.
              Don't you think that because of your hatred of the Communists, a break in the pattern has begun? Bloody boys do not come to you at night?
              All rubbish comes to us from the west.
              And what we now have not crawled to us from the West? And Putin is not a former communist? Are you our pro-Putin? But the whole current elite is not the Communists in your opinion? It seems you are drowning here for the current government like a steam locomotive?

              So for the gifted fool, I bring to the attention that the true Communists, whom my grandfather was, have nothing to do with these adherents and opportunists, who penetrated the structure of the CPSU under Judas more completely. The collapse of the USSR and the CPSU began precisely with the advent of Khrushchev and the abolition of purges among the party apparatus.

              And you continue to drown further for the former communists who have now become capitalists.
              By the way, you are disgusting negative in your hatred of the Soviet past, from which you emerged!
              1. For example 17 March 2020 11: 43 New
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                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                And Putin is not a former communist? Are you our pro-Putin?

                And what does Putin have to do with it?
                And where did you, young lady, see me praising Putin?

                Shobla communist squandered the country.
                We still cannot collect.

                However, Putin has merit to the fatherland. He returned the Crimea. He left the Caucasus within the borders of the RSFSR.
                But the rest of the Russian Caucasus, the Communists pros.rali.

                Communists did not bring the tsar to power. But the royal family was killed. Both women and children.
                And then they began to kill themselves.
                One word - ghouls.

                And they brought them in as a plague in a sealed carriage.
                The virus is kind.

                You, the Communists, all your leaders turned out to be traitors. And this is your communist decision for each of your idols.

                Do you think Zyuganov is already an enemy or not yet? laughing
                1. For example 17 March 2020 12: 07 New
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                  Quote: Diana Ilyina
                  By the way, you are disgusting in your hatred of the Soviet past

                  By the way, I have no hatred for my past.
                  I’m not your husband and I don’t give a damn about what is disgusting to you.
                  Iron more often in the mirror. laughing

                  I love my motherland. And my Motherland is Mother Russia with a long history. In this story there is Rurik, Ivan the Terrible, Catherine, Peter the Great, as well as Ulyanov, Vissarionych, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin. A huge number of scientists. Researchers and discoverers. Russian people discovered Antarctica, mastered the Arctic, the first to go into space, went to the moon. Our generals are above all praise.
                  And of course we are all Russian people. The Russian land is famous for the wealth of the Russian soul.

                  And you run amoky around your idols. You are an empty place. And you have zero merit. One dirty trick.
                  All that you are proud of is the fruit of the creations of the Russian people.

                  You are the same dill that rejected the history of their ancestors and invented a myth for yourself.
                  1. Diana Ilyina 17 March 2020 12: 30 New
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                    For example
                    By the way, I have no hatred for my past.
                    They can be seen ... laughing
                    For example
                    And you run amoky around your idols. You are an empty place. And you have zero merit. One dirty trick.
                    You are the same dill who rejected the history of their ancestors and invented a myth for yourself. A communist schobla squandered the country.
                    Communism and those are European fiction.

                    Do not choke on your bile. All that you still use is the legacy of the USSR that has not yet been squandered to the end by "effective managers."
                    And for Putin you drown in each thread, read your own comments.
                    Iron more often in the mirror.
                    Or maybe you yourself do it? Or are you afraid to see in the reflection the disgusting vile physiognomy of Russian capitalism?
                  2. Honest Citizen 17 March 2020 13: 01 New
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                    Quote: For example
                    You are the same dill that rejected the history of their ancestors and invented a myth for yourself

                    You see, dear ...
                    Exactly you, in your hatred of the Communists, are just most of all similar to those who rode and shouted "who does not ride, that ..."
                    And your pompous words
                    And my Motherland is Mother Russia with a long history. In this story there is Rurik, Ivan the Terrible, Catherine, Peter the Great, as well as Ulyanov, Vissarionych, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin.

                    Well, it reminds me very much: "Shukhevych and Bandera are the heroes of Ukraine."
                    You just have to get a true, generous labor patriot to come up with something like sugs.
                    And since you are already an exact copy, you have already tried on a saucepan.
                  3. parusnik 17 March 2020 15: 14 New
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                    Our generals are above all praise
                    ... Excuse me, what are your generals, communists among them? laughing
                  4. naidas 17 March 2020 18: 21 New
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                    Quote: For example
                    I love my motherland.
                    Quote: For example
                    The Communists participated on the west side in the collapse of the Russian Empire.

                    To love a little, you still need to know the history of your homeland.
                2. A.TOR 17 March 2020 16: 02 New
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                  You are not getting so excited, everything is already in the past. There was such a cartoon about "happiness", and there at the end of the word: - "we are going to new times, and DO NOT RETURN TO THE OLD!"
                  And for those people who, for various reasons, could not understand and adapt to the changes, wish them luck and opportunities.
                  1. olimpiada15 18 March 2020 19: 07 New
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                    A.TOR about "those people who could not understand and adapt to change." It is not difficult to understand the changes, it is also possible to adapt, it is difficult to accept what happened. And there was a dehumanization of society. The ideology of communism was replaced by the loss of humanity, planted on top. First of all, do not mix concepts.
                    Communism is the ideology of humanity, in the highest understanding of humanity. But Soviet society could not reach an understanding of this ideology. Moreover, a significant part of society did not even become socialist. The shocks of the 20th century in all generations left a deep imprint on the need to survive at all costs, even at the expense of their compatriots. Socialism won over money-grubbing, greed, etc. not the best features of the country's citizens. If the word "communists" is understood as the motive for action, then the country owes the Communists development, victories, and the country's strength. The main thing in this phrase is to understand, the Communists are not people with the crusts of the CPSU, they are people who sacrificed personal interests for the good of the country, the country owed them their revival. This is the ideology of communism. Among them, someone had a party card, and many were not listed as members of the organization, but they understood and accepted the interests of the country, and served the country. As for persons with crusts of the CPSU: among them there were ideological communists and opponents, and there were many who used crusts for personal selfish purposes. They said the right words, but did the exact opposite. Let me remind you that those who ruined the country at the EBN and the Chechen terrorists had the same party cards in their pockets. But only carriers of communist ideology were not among them. Already in the 70s, under the purge of the ranks of the CPSU, the expulsion of uncomfortable party ranks was taking place. By the 80s, the CPSU was best characterized by an anecdote about aliens who, before eating an earthling, allowed them to ask a question with the condition that those who ask a question that they cannot answer be left alive. The question was "What is a party committee?" , aliens whispered, but could not answer. The answer was "just like you, shu-shush and ate." The tragedy of ideology is that you can say one thing and do the opposite. But an even greater tragedy is the lack of ideology in society, which we are witnessing now. The media turned into garbage, an intimate dirt flows, a lie. A society without an idea is degrading. There is no need to muddy the past, something that you have not seen and do not know. Look at yourself today. And try to be objective. People come to work in order to provide for themselves and their family. Not paid salary, the norm in society. They came under a false pretext and deceived a pensioner - they believe that they did the job. People were robbed in the 90s twice. Deposits of the population depreciated, and at the same time issued loans for collateral auctions. Those. the money of the population was issued to private individuals in order to seize public property. If someone has departed, then others have arrived. Each collapse of the ruble is a blow to the vital interests of the population. In 2014 was 1 liter of milk cost 22 rubles. , now 44 rubles. 0,9 l. And the income of the population since 2014. not increased 2 times, no wages, no pensions. But there are more millionaires. I liked it very much, after 6 years the ruble fell again, now prices will change and will not come back. Does the authorities have an understanding that any citizen has the right to life, which includes food, clothing, housing, treatment, and relaxation? How easy it is to hide behind the neutral phrase "did not understand, did not adapt." Yes, they understood, only the basis of the current situation is "to take what you have earned and put it in your pocket." How to adapt to this? How can this be accepted by human consciousness? Today, once again, the principle worked: let the people reduce the portion of macaroni, some will buy real estate for $ XNUMX million or additional numbers will be added to the account of those who have "adapted" and do not consider it shameful to step on the throat of others.
                    1. A.TOR 18 March 2020 19: 21 New
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                      Yes, you wrote it right. I completely agree.
                    2. Aag
                      Aag 23 March 2020 17: 56 New
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                      That's straight all "in the vein." Thank.
                      Only a package of milk is now 50-64 p)))
                3. Lyuba1965_01 18 March 2020 23: 06 New
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                  Yes, they killed the king and his family.
                  Is this good or bad?
                  From the point of view of us, today’s, it’s bad.
                  But at that time it was a necessary measure.
                  Not so much the Tsar was killed by the Bolsheviks, how many deprived the white movement of their "banner".
                  By and large, they did not give a damn about the tsar; they hated him as much as most people of Tsarist Russia did.
                  But what was the slogan of the White Guards, remember?
                  "For the king and the fatherland."
                  Leave at least one descendant of the tsar alive, and the civilian would not end for a long time, there would also be constant attempts to overthrow the new government in order to bring to power one of Nikolai’s heirs.
                  But England is indirectly to blame for the death of this family, they were destroyed just because
                  the English king refused to accept them.
                  At first, London agreed.
                  The royal family was to be sent to England by sea, and the German command in plain text announced that it would not be obstructed: "Not a single combat unit of the German fleet will attack any ship carrying the sovereign and his family."
                  But then the British king changed his mind.
                  It is generally accepted that the "Labor Government" pushed the king to take such a step:
                  However, the work of primarily English historians clearly implies: the government refused to accept the royal family, having received direct instructions from the king.
                  The English monarchs even now are not purely decorative figures, hold in
                  arms of influence (another thing is that this is not advertised especially).
                  But even in the first half of the XNUMXth century it is completely impossible to speak of a "puppet on the throne, of a poor impotent king, compelled to submit to the Laborites ...
                  Nonsense.
                  It was established for sure: the king himself put pressure on the minister. And they, like good loyal subjects, complied with the order ...
                  You see, no one needed Nikolai, and no one regretted his death, like his family’s death.
                  Extra man, in a word.
                  1. Victor N 19 March 2020 11: 34 New
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                    No one needed. Extra .... So, justified murder? And how many more are unnecessary and unnecessary - from the point of view of each of us? Forgive their murder too?
                    You are very sick!
                    1. Lyuba1965_01 20 March 2020 23: 17 New
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                      Yes, justified, no matter how cynical it sounds.
                      Nikolai himself, through his policy (rather mediocre in everything), led to the fact that almost no one in the world spared them.
                      And something I do not recall particularly hysterical cries, not only from the so-called. "democratic" countries, but also monarchical about the execution of the entire king’s family.
                      Yes, and the killing of kings-kings by the people was before that, remember at least the French revolution.
                      As for the other victims, it was not the Bolsheviks who began the civil, namely, Nicholas fans.
                      In addition, they did not kill the king, but the former king, see the difference?
                      And why is Nicholas better than those killed who were shot on his orders during bloody Sunday and the Lena events?
                  2. parusnik 20 March 2020 22: 59 New
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                    Lyuba1965_01 (Love) Typically, no one condemns the arrest of the royal family and its relatives by the democratic government ... this is normal, BP could not do otherwise .. smile
              2. Vadim777 23 March 2020 17: 25 New
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                How is this? Is it really that the Communists planted a lazy king on the kingdom?
                The genocide of the Russian people. Add the victims of civil war, repression, victims of the Second World War - this is the result
            2. Lyuba1965_01 18 March 2020 22: 48 New
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              The Communists and their followers regret the lost power.
              Not the Communists and their followers regret the loss of power, but people who lost a lot with the collapse of the country.
              And no one wanted the collapse of the country, just look at the results of the vote to preserve the USSR.
            3. Yashka Arteleiist 19 March 2020 10: 16 New
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              M_da, however, right now, the fires in Yoksel Mlksel, in Zhovto black block potter-leg-headed, and now krasnosharovarnyh after your post, smoked like rats in the cracks when the colossus staggered on clay feet, and now squeal from idleness, and overeating
              And lastly there is a bunch of idiots of khokhlyatsky trolls, a purely ANTI-RUSSIAN SITE, even liberalists will envy that hatred of Russia and Putin idiots that filled this crazy clinic while idiots drink drops of greenery at night, crested cattle, you can see donkeys pregnant that maidan infect
          2. Honest Citizen 17 March 2020 12: 56 New
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            Quote: Terenin
            making, finally, a clear legal assessment of the event.

            Unfortunately, this is also impossible under the current government. This means that Gorbachev was handed the order in vain, that the Yeltsin Center should be demolished, that Chubais should be recognized as an enemy and a traitor, that Professor Sobchak is a traitor and a traitor, that those who "fell" under Yeltsin, and many are now cowards and "Vlasovites".
            Power will never do that.
          3. Roman1234567 17 March 2020 13: 59 New
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            making, finally, a clear legal assessment of the event. That would, with the further development of the state, remove such a "rake" from the road.

            From a legal assessment, we already clearly know and understand everything about crooks who have seized power, who do not care about the people, and it is only important to fill their pockets ..
            Only we not only cannot remove them from the road, we will “vote” for them as well ..
        2. Berber 17 March 2020 09: 54 New
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          You do not confuse warm with soft? Everyone should be responsible for their own. Gorbachev and Yeltsin for their own, Putin for their own.
      2. rocket757 17 March 2020 09: 19 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Moreover, now they want to change the Constitution for themselves ..

        Each of our (and many others) authorities, at a certain period, wants to change something.
        As a rule, by myself, sometimes in combination with what really didn’t hurt to change.
        A tricky option, but more often than not a good option, with consequences that fall on all the other citizens of the country.
      3. Diana Ilyina 17 March 2020 09: 20 New
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        Such a process will be possible only with a complete change, not even of power, but of a system in Russia. And this is possible only in the case of a new revolution, but I’m afraid that a new SOCIALIST revolution will not work, dissatisfaction will be headed not by people like Lenin, Stalin, Dzerzhinsky, but by some kind of bulk, Kasparov, Gozmans and other abomination.
        1. Honest Citizen 17 March 2020 11: 18 New
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          How do you like Platoshkin?
          1. Diana Ilyina 17 March 2020 11: 24 New
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            Honest Citizen (Sergey)
            How do you like Platoshkin?
            Yes, they say that they are all well, there Brilev was pouring on TV, but in fact he turned out to be a citizen of small Britain. All of them are "patriots", while it is profitable for them, and as a result, they are anointed with one world. I no longer believe anyone except myself and my family.
            1. Honest Citizen 17 March 2020 11: 25 New
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              At least you answered honestly. Thank.
              1. Fan-fan 17 March 2020 14: 26 New
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                Maybe she answered honestly, but she compared Brilyov with Platoshkin, but this can’t be done. These people have different opportunities, different goals, different thoughts, they convey to the people and they are class enemies.
                1. AEF
                  AEF 19 March 2020 00: 52 New
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                  Platoshkin says everything correctly, but he knows a lot of things that ordinary citizens do not know. He speaks honestly and frankly, naming the names of those who occupied / occupy high positions in government structures, politicians and the military, who in their time made decisions that influenced the life of the people and country. Platoshkin does not hide his "pro-Soviet" views and beliefs.
                  Today’s "ruling structures" - "backstage decals" will never allow such people to a high state post, otherwise they will be deprived of their ability to "decide".
                  I am for Platoshkin!
                  1. vlad106 30 March 2020 11: 46 New
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                    "... Platoshkin says everything correctly, but he knows a lot of things that ordinary citizens don’t know. He speaks honestly and frankly, giving names ...
                    ... does not hide his "pro-Soviet" views and beliefs.
                    Today’s "ruling structures" - "behind-the-scenes decals" will never allow such people to a high state post, otherwise they will be deprived of their ability to "decide" ... "

                    I wonder how he is a raft, suddenly turned out for no reason on the screen, on the air?
                    anyhow they don’t give anyone a way, and then suddenly he sits in a talk show without a sortie, convinces everyone that he is “for the people”, although false
                    I FEEL IT
          2. Lyuba1965_01 18 March 2020 23: 29 New
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            Sorry to wedge myself. I'm about Platoshkin. Pretty muddy. Judging by his biography, he is an ardent lover of the West. Just look at the video where he performs. It strains that he speaks too much and too beautifully, a real diplomat, in a word. Bad politicians come out of diplomats in general, they are talkers, they can talk beautifully on a topic, a question, these are people of the word, not business. The whole trouble is that people believe in those (not only Platoshkin, but also like him), because they are stroking the people with wool. without thinking twice. But will all those who are verbally opposed to all this, will actually fight corruption, will nationalize something there?
            1. AEF
              AEF 19 March 2020 01: 01 New
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              Just the opposite. Platoshkin never once says "positively" about the "west." In his speeches, he always reveals the abomination of the Western way of thinking and mentality, where the power of capital with all their Russophobia rules, and not "democracy".
              1. Lyuba1965_01 20 March 2020 23: 36 New
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                Do you have to speak openly?
                Yes, a word against the West, but in fact?
                Let's go through his biography.
                He graduated from the Faculty of International Relations (Western Branch).
                From 1987 to 1992, he worked as an attaché in the embassies of the USSR and the Russian Federation in the Federal Republic of Germany (which is interesting: it was at that time that Putin also worked in the residency, so they could even collide).
                From 1992 to 1995 - in the fourth European Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation.
                In 2006, he left the diplomatic service due to the behavior of the Foreign Ministry regarding his wife.
                But this is already interesting.
                I tried to find what exactly happened, but I did not find any information.
                But, apparently, there was something serious, since he was forced to leave such a job.
                The main areas of scientific activity: the history of Germany, the history of Latin America, the history of Spain, the history of the Czech Republic, issues of current international relations and foreign policy of Russia, modern politics.
                Let's be honest: always those who wanted to work in Europe, who wanted to join the so-called. "European goods", who did not want to work and live in poor Africa, unstable Middle Eastern countries, i.e. those who liked a good life, comfort and financial well-being.
                There is also an amazing fact: parents worked at a state farm: mother (graduated from the Timiryazev Academy) as an agronomist, father (graduated from the Goryachkin Institute of Agricultural Mechanization) as an engineer.
                He graduated from Chulkovskaya Secondary School No. 20 in the Moscow Region with a gold medal, and there he received the rights of a tractor driver-driver of the 3rd class of a wide profile.
                And then he entered MGIMO.
                What a miracle!
                At MGIMO, in which only golden youth studied, children of diplomats and ministers, children of the cream of society, a tractor driver entered.
                Even for the Soviet era, when any person from any province, even from some kind of stop station, could enter any university, the tractor driver at MGIMO already sounded like nonsense.
                It can be assumed that he acted according to the quota, but this was usually given mainly to those who served the army and arrived immediately after the army.
                So how did he go there, or rather, at whose request?
            2. vlad106 30 March 2020 11: 24 New
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              old people, prilepin, rafts, etc. This is all a Kremlin project. these are their people.
        2. A.TOR 17 March 2020 16: 24 New
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          Unlearn the call of people "abomination", unlearn.
          1. Diana Ilyina 17 March 2020 16: 31 New
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            A.TOR (Alexander)
            Unlearn the call of people "abomination", unlearn.

            I know you used to call white white and black black. In addition, Gozman, Makarevich, Akhedzhakova, Bykov, Alekseev and others. (They have a million names) I can not even consider people! Therefore, abomination is the mildest definition for these degenerates.
            And why did you shut up with their lawyer, yourself from these or what?
            1. A.TOR 17 March 2020 17: 25 New
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              I am 60 years old, in my youth urgent to ter. DRA (wound, shell shock, medal), then university, then Chernobyl (2 foreheads, km transplant), then work in science (doctor of physics and mathematics), then own business.
              I always believed and still think that people who have their own point of view on something should be, for this is the diversity that turns society into a dynamic, capable system to develop.
              The people whom you called "abomination" - Gozman, Makarevich, Akhedzhakova, Bykov, Alekseev, etc. are famous, talented, courageous people, generations grew up on the works of some of them, trying on their heroes, their songs, their affairs.
              And what did YOU personally do for society, for your country? What is YOUR cultural, scientific, political or other contribution?
              To be honest with you, living in the same country becomes insulting and humiliating.
              It seems to me that you are a boor, or am I mistaken?
              1. Alexander Suvorov 17 March 2020 21: 17 New
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                A.TOR (Alexander)
                I 60 years
                Sadness is a misfortune, if you haven’t gained your mind before 30 years old, then it is useless to try further.
                in youth urgent on ter. DRA (wound, shell shock, medal), then university, then Chernobyl (2 foreheads, km transplant), then work in science (doctor of physics and mathematics), then own business.
                It is very doubtful.
                I always believed and still think that people who have their own point of view on something should be, for this is the diversity that turns society into a dynamic, capable system to develop.
                Who would argue.
                The people whom you called "abomination" - Gozman, Makarevich, Akhedzhakova, Bykov, Alekseev, etc. are famous, talented, courageous people, generations grew up on the works of some of them, trying on their heroes, their songs, their affairs.
                Generations have grown? On whom, on the bull, who glorifies Hitler? A good generation will grow on it, you will not say anything. Which of them is talented? Gozman?
                And the fact that they played heroes in the past does not make heroes of them themselves, little people, and in fact it’s complete ...
                To be honest with you, living in the same country becomes insulting and humiliating.
                Similarly. I consider it humiliating to have such compatriots. Although, I suspect that you are broadcasting not from Russia, but from the country under No. 404, apparently.
                It seems to me that you are a boor, or am I mistaken?
                This is you a boor, dear, Diana is not rude to you. And to humiliate a woman, even if you do not agree with her, it is below human dignity, and even more so male. However, what men in 404? So, some solid homosexuals.
                1. fleks 19 March 2020 12: 07 New
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                  Why are you so excited from Ukraine? That they are not people, are you the only person?
              2. Lelek 17 March 2020 22: 16 New
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                I am 60 years old...


                And it’s not a shame that for half a century with a tail you didn’t learn to distinguish “chlorine from calcium and something from the finger”? Bastards, which you ranked among the lanterns, will gladly give up a place in their ranks, but then do not be offended by the characteristics addressed to you. yes
              3. Stirbjorn 19 March 2020 11: 57 New
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                It seems to me that you are a boor, or am I mistaken?

                do not be mistaken, she was sent to this eternal ban for an eternal ban, a few years ago, but recently there was a general amnesty. As a result, from the sane users, no one returned, but the whole panopticon of scumbags - Ilyin, Petrov, Kisa (Kathmul, Golovan Jack) and others, again in the arena. hi
                1. Diana Ilyina 19 March 2020 12: 31 New
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                  Stirbjorn (Michael)
                  As a result, from the sane users, no one returned, but the whole panopticon of scumbags - Ilyin, Petrov, Kisa (Kathmul, Golovan Jack) and others, again in the arena.
                  Well yes all around fool fool fool , one you d'Artagnan ...?! laughing
                  Or maybe just the opposite ?! recourse
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                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    Stirbjorn (Michael)
                    As a result, from the sane users, no one returned, but the whole panopticon of scumbags - Ilyin, Petrov, Kisa (Kathmul, Golovan Jack) and others, again in the arena.
                    Well yes all around fool fool fool , one you d'Artagnan ...?! laughing
                    Or maybe just the opposite ?! recourse

                    Oh, everyone reads, instantly - a chat or something, or in the same room, all the trolls are sitting, judging by the operational minuses laughing The theme is from March 17. If only they hadn’t been so open wassat
                    Threat you are this, read the rules
                    j) It is forbidden to purposefully minus all comments in a row by one user. Both a single user and a group of persons by prior conspiracy.
                    And I see that 3 comrades have marked me in all topics right now, so now I’ll write about this to the administration
                2. Nameless 23 March 2020 10: 01 New
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                  And for some reason I see such a list of pseudo-patriots-Russophobes: We are from Siberia, Honest Citizen, Svarog, E_V_N, cssr, Revival, Sarkazm, Foreman, Silvestr, NordUral, Old Partisan.
            2. fleks 19 March 2020 12: 03 New
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              You madam. Turned out to be a supporter of Nazi views. If you speak so of honored people who have different views on life. And it is very unfortunate to read on such a reputable resource and you are very aggressive. Are you really a woman?
        3. Dear Diana! The people receive the power that they deserve.
          We, Russians, have few strong Orthodox families. In families - a mess. Wives do not recognize the power of husbands, children do not recognize the power of parents. Few true Orthodox communities, i.e. people are not structured. He is not a serious force. Therefore, for example, the local "Russian-speaking Satanists can easily impose on us products and goods, passports and all kinds of cards with NUMBERS that are polluted by the notorious sixes, as in an ordinary concentration camp. Moreover, they even assigned numbers to Orthodox parishes (" our "hierarchy Gundyaev of this did not notice).
          We must DESERVE the help of the Creator. How Soviet Russia of 1943 deserved the help of heaven. More or less they stopped the atheistic "antics", elected a patriarch, opened theological seminaries and academies, began to produce Orthodox literature, periodicals ... They returned the officers to the army, and the officers were brought back shoulder straps, abandoned the "frenzied" internationalism and dismissed the "Communist International". ..A lot of good things have been done and the state has become worthy of pomoshch. And she came immediately. And with it came TIME OF VICTORIES!
          Who needs the current "Capitalist Russia" ("RK")? Beggars in garbage cans, packs of stray dogs, kissing in public places of youngsters, humor and pop music "below the belt", foul language EVERYWHERE, incl. at school, "sexy" aunts-presenters with loose hair, lying uncles-presenters, cheerfully hanging "noodles on ears" to viewers ... There is no real EDUCATION, there is no real JUSTICE, there is no state-quality MEDICINE ... THERE IS NO SENSE in the existence of this state - "Capitalist Russia"!
          To begin with, it is necessary to create an adequate INDEPENDENT PEOPLE state on the territory of Russia. And already, it certainly will give a legal assessment of the activities of the destroyers of Russia at the end of the last century
        4. parusnik 20 March 2020 23: 04 New
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          The socialist revolution will not work, discontent will be led not by people like Lenin, Stalin, Dzerzhinsky, but by some kind of bulk, Kasparov, gozman and other abomination.
          ... The driving force of the 1848 revolutions in Europe was the proletariat, the peasantry and the petty bourgeoisie, and an abomination came to power ... like Napoleon III
      4. DMB 75 17 March 2020 09: 59 New
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        For the annihilation of the world's first and only socially oriented state, workers and peasants must be imprisoned. My opinion.
        1. naidas 17 March 2020 18: 28 New
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          need to put on a stake

          But what about the return of Russia to the world community? Sooner or later, the Soviet elite in the USSR with its property, the capitalist elite will be closer than its people.
      5. atalef 17 March 2020 10: 11 New
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        Such a process is absolutely necessary because any leader or organizer should be responsible.

        Forget and drink with water.
        No USSR and will no longer be.
        Judge?
        First, come to a consensus (together with the former republics of the USSR) - what should be judged or awarded because a huge number of people believe that with the collapse of the USSR their life has only improved.
        I wonder how much longer this cry of Yaroslavl will continue?
        30 years have passed, we must go forward.
        And do not shaman on semi-decayed bones.
        Well, first of all, ask yourself - before you judge-- but where were you yourself?
        This is especially true of the military and representatives of other law enforcement agencies.
        Somehow, in accordance with the oath, they were the first to rush to the barricades and how?
        And where?
        The bulk of the end of the 80s did not believe in this system.
        USSR died?
        The dead cannot die, the idea of ​​the Bolsheviks was dead initially and for 70 years it was able to poison and kill a great country with its cadaveric poison (I mean Russia).
        Kommunyak must be judged for all their crimes and the poison that they stuck in the heads of 5 generations.
        And the USSR?
        Yeltsin and Co. simply recorded what had happened before them, and primarily in the heads of people.
        1. Okolotochny 19 March 2020 13: 33 New
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          Atalef, for once agrees with you, except for the penultimate paragraph. The idea is not dead. If people went to her death, then that says a lot. But you're right about crying. We sat in the kitchens, tryndels, and now the warriors. Plus to you as a whole.
      6. knn54 17 March 2020 10: 18 New
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        Article of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR / RF “Treason to the Motherland” No. 64. State security, defense capability, territorial integrity and sovereignty of the USSR were damaged.
        Article No. 69 - “Wrecking”. Undermining the national economy and the activities of state bodies ...
        Articles 70 and 72- calls to change the constitutional system by force, organization of activities aimed at committing especially dangerous state crimes ..
        It is time to recognize the collapse of the USSR not as a "natural process", but as a crime,
        Shut up Kravchuk, Shushkevich and others.
        The main thing is to remember that impunity and silence will inevitably generate new crimes.
        PS I dare to suggest that the primary was the destruction of socialism, which would not have happened without the collapse of the USSR.
        1. Svarog 17 March 2020 10: 23 New
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          PS I dare to suggest that the primary was the destruction of socialism, which would not have happened without the collapse of the USSR.

          So it is, socialism carried a huge danger for the bourgeoisie and was a constant headache, especially against the backdrop of success .. I think that after the victory in the Second World War, the capitalists realized that the USSR was a huge force .. and since then they have begun active subversive activities, as a result of which Khrushch appeared .. well, and, as they say, they planted grain and could only water .. If Stalin managed to live at least another five years, then we would still live under socialism ..
        2. dauria 17 March 2020 21: 08 New
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          Article of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR / RF “Treason to the Motherland”


          Right And to judge all the founding fathers of the United States for treason to the king (or queen?) Of Great Britain. laughing You see, they composed a "declaration of independence". Stop making people laugh, gentlemen, lawyers. There would be an opportunity and a birch - and without articles hang.
      7. Krasnoyarsk 17 March 2020 11: 44 New
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        ... moreover, now they want to change the Constitution for themselves ..

        You might think that the current constitution was not written under the EBN.
        Give an example when the authorities did not write a constitution for themselves.
        Stalin? Under how he saw the future of the USSR, the situation changed and Brezhnev “wrote” another, under EBN they wrote a third, the situation has changed, they are writing another. So it was and it will be so.
        We consider the actions of the authorities from the standpoint of DENIAL, from the standpoint of the assumption of MANDATORY something bad. And if you look at all this from the other side?
        By analogy, when I was young, I was sure that no one from my environment would be able to repair my motorcycle better than me.
        Further, the presidential election is not canceled even in the new edition of the constitution. What are the fears?
        The fact that you will be in the minority with the majority casting the vote for the Darkest? Do not despair. I survived when I was in the minority when they elected EBN.
        Do not forget - we are doomed to choose the lesser of two evils. The main thing is to determine where (who) is the lesser evil.
      8. Victor N 17 March 2020 16: 55 New
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        And who has the right to judge ?! For what purpose?
    2. Diana Ilyina 17 March 2020 09: 16 New
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      rocket757 (Victor)
      Not even funny ... just not possible in our current state.
      I'm also not funny anymore, read Wishlist. It is naive to believe that the current government, which is the flesh of the flesh of those who stood behind the collapse of the USSR, will carry out some damning processes there ?! Do not tell, on the contrary, the one marked out was awarded the highest order of the Russian Federation, he is also the highest order of the Republic of Ingushetia, "St. Andrew the First-Called", this is not counting other orders and prizes, including the Nobel Prize. And he was also awarded the American medal "for victory in the Cold War" ... I think the comments are unnecessary. About drunk, even reluctance to recall. There yesterday Rotenberg "hero of labor" was granted.
      In general, it’s sad to look at all this.

      P.S. People, so I think, to go on April 22 and say NO or not to go at all, not to create a turnout? Who has any opinions?
      1. rocket757 17 March 2020 09: 30 New
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        Such a process will be possible only with a complete change, not even of power, but of a system in Russia.

        Everything is right ... the current "galaxy" of power, leadership and wealthy, flesh from the flesh THE SAME that were then ...
        The external marafet is sometimes corrected, camouflaged, but you still can’t hide the nature behind any beautiful facade, it will show itself.
      2. DMB 75 17 March 2020 09: 36 New
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        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        People, so I think, to go on April 22 and say NO or not to go at all, not to create a turnout? Who has any opinions?

        Go. There is no lower threshold, so even take your soul and say no. The soul will be clean.
        1. Diana Ilyina 17 March 2020 09: 54 New
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          Go. There is no lower threshold, so even take your soul and say no. The soul will be clean.
          Well, except to say your own “FI”, otherwise the Constitutional Assembly and the regional legislative assemblies have already decided everything for us, the amendments have been adopted.
          Now, certainly from the principle in 2024 I’ll go vote against Putin, though there will still be no alternative.
          1. rocket757 17 March 2020 10: 01 New
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            Well, maybe say your "FI",

            But what is FI not good for? What deserves it .... But what will be calculated is the question ... probably.
            1. AK1972 17 March 2020 11: 08 New
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              but what they’ll calculate is a question ... probably.

              I think that is not a question. Everything has long been counted and documented. It remains only to publish the results. But walking or not walking is a question for me. On the one hand, I don’t want to raise the turnout in this circus, but on the other I want to vote against to clear my conscience. But I will definitely never go to the Duma and presidential elections again.
              1. Leshy1975 17 March 2020 12: 01 New
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                Quote: AK1972
                Quote: rocket757
                but what they’ll calculate is a question ... probably.

                I think that is not a question. Everything has long been counted and documented. It remains only to publish the results. But walking or not walking is a question for me. On the one hand, I don’t want to raise the turnout in this circus, but on the other I want to vote against to clear my conscience. But I will definitely never go to the Duma and presidential elections again.

                Yes, everything must be done on the contrary! There is pure logic and math!
                For the time being, on the Dumskys, the presidential ones are set aside, there is at least some chance of the opposition, or conditionally, the opposition going through. That somehow can change the balance in the Duma. Well, here is an example of elections in Primorye (scandal with Ishchenko) or Moscow last year. After all, the authorities were clearly hard in these elections and the composition of the Moscow City Duma changed. This is because there is a procedure established by law, there are observers, there are people interested in upholding the fairness of the elections - just opposition candidates who want to take the EP seats.
                At the same pseudo-vote, there is nothing of the kind and there is NO mention. There will first be a picture where people vote, and then to the fed. TV channel will launch a massive pro-Putin coven.
                And you, along with your conscience, will be declared to support and once again have confidence in Putin! Think it over. hi
                1. AK1972 17 March 2020 12: 10 New
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                  So I think the decision has not yet been made. You rightly called the opposition conditional, because even the Communists, when voting for the unconstitutional "vote" on constitutional amendments, conditionally abstained. Therefore, I don’t see any sense in voting in the Duma elections.
                2. rocket757 17 March 2020 12: 50 New
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                  there is at least some chance of the opposition, or conditionally opposition, passing through.

                  And hto this, that opposition that we want to have / see there ???
                  We do not need destroyers NOW, and it is not known where the creators all hid.
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  After all, the authorities were clearly hard in these elections and the composition of the Moscow City Duma changed.

                  Okay, to Moscow we pf-e. But, did it get any better?
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  there are people interested in upholding the fairness of the elections - just opposition candidates who want to take EP seats.

                  Okay, the edren have that face too ... but why would anyone who wants to get there \ climb to improve it? Are you sure about that?
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  Then to the Fed. TV channel will launch a massive pro-Putin coven.

                  the neproputin sabbath is no better ...
                  Okay, this is all the lyrics .... NO in the visible space even the nominal DANKO !!! What to do? Choose whomever, if only not the same?
                  Everything is clearly calculated from the side ... from above, there the guys are not giving stupid advice. the slogan of all these referendums and elections is Do not choose us \ them, choose even worse! -
                  Where to look for a way out of a dark room, when even matches you have not left? Head against the wall and highlight with stars from the eyes?
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                    Quote: rocket757
                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    there is at least some chance of the opposition, or conditionally opposition, passing through.

                    And hto this, that opposition that we want to have / see there ???
                    We do not need destroyers NOW, and it is not known where the creators all hid.
                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    After all, the authorities were clearly hard in these elections and the composition of the Moscow City Duma changed.

                    Okay, to Moscow we pf-e. But, did it get any better?
                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    there are people interested in upholding the fairness of the elections - just opposition candidates who want to take EP seats.

                    Okay, the edren have that face too ... but why would anyone who wants to get there \ climb to improve it? Are you sure about that?
                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    Then to the Fed. TV channel will launch a massive pro-Putin coven.

                    the neproputin sabbath is no better ...
                    Okay, this is all the lyrics .... NO in the visible space even the nominal DANKO !!! What to do? Choose whomever, if only not the same?
                    Everything is clearly calculated from the side ... from above, there the guys are not giving stupid advice. the slogan of all these referendums and elections is Do not choose us \ them, choose even worse! -
                    Where to look for a way out of a dark room, when even matches you have not left? Head against the wall and highlight with stars from the eyes?

                    As a result, I didn’t understand anything. Are you specifically for whom, relatively speaking, for the "red" or for the "white"? And then something is too much fog, sort of like there, but kind of here. Although, I already understand what it will all be reduced to in the end - better than Putin, now there’s still no one, even if he still steers.
                    1. rocket757 17 March 2020 15: 11 New
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                      Although, I already understand what it will all be reduced to in the end - better than Putin, now there’s still no one, even if he still steers.

                      I also assume that everything will be reduced to this ... for THIS power has never been and will never be FOR!
                      For whom??? according to my preferences, of those who are offered or climb themselves, NOT FOR WHO ... that's all.
                      In short, in the gray zone and waiting with, as in an ambush, bullet in both directions, for now.
                      It is futile of course, but ... with a choice I will wait, bye.
          2. Victor N 17 March 2020 17: 38 New
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            Wise people are aware of the need for amendments, therefore supported. But there are always many citizens with high self-esteem: they are wiser than others.
            1. rocket757 18 March 2020 06: 49 New
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              Wise people are aware of the need for amendments, therefore supported. But there are always many citizens with high self-esteem: they are wiser than others.

              Sane people just understand that even one spoonful of tar ... in tar, in a barrel of honey, make this product NOT ... edible! Eat ... yourself.
              1. Victor N 18 March 2020 18: 29 New
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                You will never please everyone: who has a lot of salt, who has garlic, and who thinks of tar. And I eat, yes, in a good, sure company. We must be able to pacify our own Wishlist for the sake of the common good.
        2. rocket757 17 March 2020 09: 59 New
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          GO! and there at the discretion ....
      3. atalef 17 March 2020 10: 12 New
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        P.S. People, so I think, to go on April 22 and say NO or not to go at all, not to create a turnout? Who has any opinions?

        Of course go.
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          Of course go.

          Of course, go ... to the promised land.
      4. Leshy1975 17 March 2020 10: 35 New
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        P.S. People, so I think, to go on April 22 and say NO or not to go at all, not to create a turnout? Who has any opinions?

        I stand FOR BOYOT "voting". Why:
        1) Amendments to the Constitution are ALREADY adopted. No “vote” will cancel this.
        2) There will be no one to complain about falsification, as There won’t be observers. It was said that it would be possible only from ONF. But this will already look more like not “observers,” but “standing on a chipper.”
        3) The authorities are already confident that the "vote" will be protest. Therefore, solely for this case, the form of the final protocols changes, all the details are removed. It was decided to remove, in particular, the lines concerning voters ahead of schedule and at home. It is proposed to exclude all the detailed information about the ballots: how many of them did PEC gethow much has been issued to “early presidents”, how many voters have received at the polling station and outside it, and number of ballots canceled, valid, contained in portable and stationary boxes. Early voting and voting at home, this time will go three days instead of one Well, etc. etc.
        4) But the government expects to get a wonderful media picture, where Russian citizens massively go to PS. However, modestly keeping silent that these are precisely angry and disagreeing citizens (see my paragraph 3.)
        5) We watch talk shows and "rejoice" together with Solovyov, Kiselev, Skabeeva and Co. that the citizens of the Russian Federation once again showed consciousness and "had a massive trust“To beloved President Putin V.V. With applause, against the background of the video from the filled PSs, the“ results ”of the vote are solemnly announced. Which, most likely, will be even higher than the preliminary ones, ALREADY voiced by VTsIOM - What of those who come to voteRather for ”64% are ready to vote Russians. “Rather against "- 15%.
        6) In the Kremlin and on TV exultation, among the majority of the people, a shock state. The curtain falls, all participants of the show (including all voters) announce a huge - THANKS. Everybody's Free.

        PS This is the first time I urge DO NOT VOTE. Everyone, of course, will decide for himself. I definitely won’t go, because I’m not Petrushka, but Leshiy, and I didn’t tune up to dance in Putin’s booth, even if it’s called “voting” for amendments to the Constitution. To dance for the fun of Skabeeva and Solovyov, consider each one and decide for yourself, do you need it?
        PPS It would be this referendum, with the procedure established by law and organization, that would agitate to go and vote against. hi
        1. Diana Ilyina 17 March 2020 10: 40 New
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          So doubts gnaw me, but is it worth it to participate in this circus? Probably still I won’t go. From the fact that I put a checkmark under the word NO, nothing will change, and my parish will be regarded precisely as participation in the general “approvals” ... So this time, probably, without me, although I always go to the polls and relatives I force it.
          1. Leshy1975 17 March 2020 10: 46 New
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            So doubts gnaw me, but is it worth it to participate in this circus? Probably still I won’t go. From the fact that I put a checkmark under the word NO, nothing will change, and my parish will be regarded precisely as participation in the universal "approvals"... So probably this time without me, although I always go to the polls and make my relatives go.

            To a point, it will be counted exactly as approvals. And I always go. And always, whom I can agitate from my friends (well, it is clear which way) to go and complicate the life of the authorities. But not in this case. This is a pure crossbow, without any, even ghostly chances. hi
          2. Tatanka Yotanka 18 March 2020 22: 47 New
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            But is it worth participating in this circus?

            you have to go, conscience is the main criterion, you did everything possible playing by the rules even if dishonest, it's like people giving money in the temple to the needs of the poor, and the clever pop will buy another Mercedes, stewards will hold the answer, and the donors are justified
        2. AK1972 17 March 2020 12: 17 New
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          Goblin 1975. I have no doubt that everything will be exactly as you colorfully described. Almost convinced. I’ll probably pick up a beer 22.04 and I’ll watch and laugh at the mega-journalists listed by you
      5. Old partisan 17 March 2020 11: 01 New
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        You must go and write against the form. Enough of this power.
        1. Leshy1975 17 March 2020 12: 12 New
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          You must go and write against the form. Enough of this power.

          In autumn you need to go, not now. It is friendly to go on a single voting day and vote amicably against the current government, and not to spoil the bell-shadow. On this pseudo-vote, NOTHING IS DECIDED. The changes are ALREADY accepted, you understand all this at the end! You will only become a crowd-stage decoration to declare that the people de supported Putin.
      6. Stas157 17 March 2020 11: 48 New
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        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        People, so I think, to go on April 22 and say NO or not to go at all, not to create a turnout? Who has any opinions?

        I am also in thought. I’m probably going to vote NO.
      7. vlad106 30 March 2020 11: 55 New
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        People, so I think, to go on April 22 and say NO or not to go at all, not to create a turnout? Who has any opinions?

        You need to go. and think
    3. siberalt 17 March 2020 09: 22 New
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      Read Decree No. 1 of President Putin, he does not surrender his own. Why then did the Yeltsin center be built? lol
    4. tihonmarine 17 March 2020 09: 46 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      seriously ... even discuss the desire is no longer, now it is useless!

      Whatever you say, but the first half of the struggle, capitalism won. When Marx and Engels issued their Manifesto in 1848, everything about the communist and social democratic movement acquired a powerful movement in the world. But the capitalists were not, they had already developed their "anti-manifesto" without chanting the International, without rallies. And although after 1917 many countries emerged freed from capitalism, which caused him a decent knockdown, but not a knockout. After the death of Stalin, capitalism changed tactics and went on the attack, and won at this stage of the struggle. The remnants of socialism are North Korea and China. In the near future, there is no point in talking about the restoration of socialism. The people are not ready for this yet.
      1. rocket757 17 March 2020 10: 05 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        The people are not ready for this yet.

        That's for sure. But it will not be ready, by itself ... it is such a titanic work that must be done, oh wow! Moreover, the opposition will be frantic and without any almonds, besides! The jokes ended after 1917 ... when their "work" brothers were hung up on poles .... they remembered it and remembered it if that.
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          But it will not be ready, by itself ... it is such a titanic work that must be done, oh wow!

          That is what the Bolsheviks will learn.
        2. tihonmarine 17 March 2020 10: 53 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          The jokes ended after 1917 ... when their "work" brothers were hung up on poles .... they remembered it and remembered it if that.

          Yes, this is cruel, but it was a necessity, there were two ways to survive or die. Here's where, in the 2000s, we did not understand this, and what is happening now we all see.
      2. atalef 17 March 2020 10: 14 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        The remnants of socialism are North Korea and China.

        Quote: tihonmarine
        People are not ready for this yet

        Live like in Korea?
        Well, the people are not complete, but with the exception of some representatives
        laughing
        And in China, socialism?
        Do you live in a parallel universe?
        1. tihonmarine 17 March 2020 10: 49 New
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          Live like in Korea?

          They live and do not want some sort of revolution. That's how they differ from us.
          1. atalef 17 March 2020 13: 04 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: atalef
            Live like in Korea?

            They live and do not want some sort of revolution. That's how they differ from us.

            let Eun open the borders - then we'll see what they want
            1. tihonmarine 17 March 2020 13: 07 New
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              let Eun open the borders - then we'll see what they want

              Don’t worry, they won’t run to Israel.
      3. AU Ivanov. 17 March 2020 10: 27 New
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        China is building capitalism. Since the late 70s. Smoothly, without jerking and excesses. Therefore, it is the number 2 economy in the world.
      4. AK1972 17 March 2020 12: 19 New
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        Marx and Engels could not foresee the emergence of globalism as the highest stage of capitalism.
        1. Victor N 17 March 2020 17: 52 New
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          These guys sowed hatred in society, dividing people in relation to the means of production - a primitive. Everything is more complicated, people can be divided according to various criteria, for example, into organizers and performers, curly and bald .... The main thing is not to incite hatred!
    5. Pravodel 17 March 2020 10: 09 New
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      Is such a process necessary? Definitely, it is necessary, and not only to put an end to: give a legal assessment of the actions of the ruling figures in the USSR in the late 80s, but also so that this does not happen in Russia, so that traitors could not repeat the scenario of the collapse of the USSR on the territory Russia, so that in Russia traitors of the people, peoples of Russia, who serve not to God but to the devil, are not allowed to rule ...
      1. rocket757 17 March 2020 10: 11 New
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        Quote: The Truth
        Is such a process necessary?

        Most simply do not ask such a question.
        They ask another question - Is such a process possible in modern Russia ???
      2. atalef 17 March 2020 10: 18 New
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        Quote: The Truth
        serving not God but the devil ...

        Now it’s clear why they stuck in the constitution of God
        1. bober1982 17 March 2020 11: 32 New
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          Dear atalef, what disturbs you from such a mention?
          After all, you actually have a Constitution, it’s The Pentateuch of Moses, and if any of your co-religionists is against such a statement - they will bane all the kagal.
          1. atalef 17 March 2020 12: 44 New
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            After all, you actually have a Constitution, this is the Pentateuch

            What are you saying?
            Did not know.
            And then the Koran thought.
            Thanks, clarified.
            I’ll go explain to the local Arabs.
            1. bober1982 17 March 2020 12: 46 New
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              So, are you not a Jew?
    6. Alexander Sosnitsky 17 March 2020 10: 54 New
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      To be. Supreme measure
    7. E_V_N 17 March 2020 12: 14 New
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      First of all, it is necessary to deal with those who destroyed the country, whose affairs it intends to one degree or another to continue.

      The main problem is that the GDP and other leaders, although they themselves are not directly “destroyers,” but all without exception are violators of their oath, and former communists who violated the oath. But none of them will judge themselves.
      1. rocket757 17 March 2020 12: 58 New
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        The main problem is that GDP and other leaders, although they themselves are not directly “destroyers”

        Come on. GDP appears in the role of stopping the immediate destruction ... by the way, this can be believed and accepted, it was very likely on the eve of his arrival that we would explode and fall apart completely. plus to his image. But then, everything is very complicated and some, conditional, stability has so many faces that you can’t see everything at once.
        He and others like him, this is only part of the SYSTEM that owns the whole country, its public part!
        They really want to leave us without our will, so that everything is done as they want ... it's DANGEROUS!
      2. Victor N 17 March 2020 17: 59 New
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        Suppose the trial took place, the sentence was pronounced: what next? Back to the past? To everyone?
        A very unhealthy idea was erupted by the author - do not be fooled, otherwise you will get to the doctor.
    8. Ros 56 17 March 2020 17: 20 New
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      It is not a matter of usefulness or futility. The point is a principled assessment of their actions as a warning to others and to ourselves and our children and grandchildren.
      And your arguments are negligible. And no one has canceled the responsibility. They swear an oath and swear on the Constitution.
      In South Korea, two presidents were sentenced to death, though not executed, but future ones take into account their fate. These are Ro De Woo and Jung Doo Hwan. And they don’t have such a mess there.
      And we need to tie with this all forgiveness to the highest echelon of power. Nakosyachil, if you please, on the little bench, otherwise they took the manner of giving guarantees.
      1. Victor N 18 March 2020 18: 35 New
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        We were present at the same time, and therefore we took part - it is not for us to judge and we will not be convicted. Although .... Descendants will decide.
  2. Nikolai Petrov 17 March 2020 09: 06 New
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    Which court? What are you talking about, dear? Nobody will judge himself. Mausoleum on Victory Day under plywood, a ban on Red Flags, portraits of Stalin on May 9, studying at Solzhenitsyn’s school (not a mistake with a little one).
    1. Pessimist22 17 March 2020 09: 36 New
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      Yeah, judge the CPSU, and the authorities and the oligarchs are all members of the CPSU, including Him. smile
  3. Baloo 17 March 2020 09: 08 New
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    The point of judging them, if it is not possible to punish? winked
    December 25, 1991, Russia was renamed the Russian Federation. In the evening of the same day, Gorbachev called US President George W. Bush and assured in a telephone conversation: “You can safely celebrate Christmas. The USSR no longer exists. ” The next day, the Council of the Republic of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR adopted a declaration on the termination of the USSR as a state and an object of international law.
    After that, President Bush spoke on the radio and television in the United States, announcing that the Soviet Union had been defeated as a result of the Cold War, and James Baker, the then US Secretary of State, openly declared for the first time: “We spent trillions of dollars over the past 40 years to win the Cold War against the USSR. Most importantly, traitors were found. ".
  4. Uncle lee 17 March 2020 09: 10 New
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    so as not to repeat her fate.
    At least give a legal assessment .... I’m silent about the landings!
  5. Pavel Amarok 17 March 2020 09: 12 New
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    If current trends continue, there will be no trial. But if, then yes.
  6. Avior 17 March 2020 09: 14 New
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    Interesting topic
    But if the author had clearly defined the corpus delicti, highlighted specifically the clauses of the articles of the Criminal Code, showed the connection of the alleged corpus delicti to the accused, would have given grounds for applying the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, adopted later than the alleged crime (and the law has no retroactive effect, as you know), would have brought official comments to the Criminal Code, in general, would fit strictly legally, with accurate legally correct wording, as he declares from the very beginning of the article, it would be really interesting to read.
    And so, unfortunately, a set of common words turned out, nothing new, what they wrote before
    1. Diana Ilyina 17 March 2020 09: 25 New
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      And what does the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation? We are talking about the collapse of the USSR, respectively, and the articles of the Criminal Code of the USSR should apply.
      By the way, officially it seems like the USSR still exists, there are no legislative acts on the basis of which it could be considered destroyed ...
      1. Avior 17 March 2020 09: 32 New
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        Cannot be applied since
        1 Criminal Code of Soviet times does not work, now others
        2. The Criminal Code of the USSR was not, each republic had its own Criminal Code, the All-Union was absent
  7. Gennady Korsunov 17 March 2020 09: 19 New
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    While the stage is zero, talking on this topic spoils the nervous system of the coma !!
  8. Stirbjorn 17 March 2020 09: 27 New
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    If Russia intends to be considered the successor of the Soviet Union, moreover, having consolidated this provision at the constitutional level, it should first of all deal with those who destroyed the country, whose affairs it intends to continue to one degree or another.
    The current authorities fix the constitution for themselves, so where they need it, the Russian Federation will be the legal successor of the USSR, and where it doesn’t, it won’t. The author, what do you like to say a small, honest word hi
  9. Chaldon48 17 March 2020 09: 34 New
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    Why not make article 58 for this case, it is, in my opinion, wide enough to cover these “pick-ups”, and our country is also very wide, there are many undeveloped and cool enough corners, so let them master and at the same time shoot.
  10. Overlock 17 March 2020 09: 36 New
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    .. Russia ..... she should first of all deal with those who destroyed the country, whose affairs she intends to continue to one degree or another.

    The collective concept of "Russia". These are ordinary people who regret the lost and the "elite" who rule the country and who have appropriated the country's wealth. A simple man has long condemned the collapse of the country, but the "elite" is very glad of what happened and will not allow any court. Who will judge himself?
    .. so as not to repeat her fate.

    "History is not a teacher, but a warden magistra vitae (mentor of life): she does not teach anything, but only punishes her for not knowing the lessons." V. Klyuchevsky (1893)
    The elite has not learned a lesson and will be punished and will not help her with Zolotov and her guards.
    Part of the community. supporting power will also be punished, punished by the loss of faith in its “god” and this loss will be catastrophic. You have to pay for everything.
    1. sevryuk 17 March 2020 11: 27 New
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      First you need to realize that the Russian Federation is not Russia. That we are a divided and robbed country. The main articles by which newly-minted "sovereigns" may be involved are an encroachment on the territorial integrity of the USSR and the theft of socialist property.

      As for the inviolability of the existing order of things - the current system can be described as feudal kleptarchic. Both one and the other, as history shows, are very vulnerable during the inheritance of power / wealth. So the end of the Moscow, Kiev and other presidencies is just around the corner.
  11. Den717 17 March 2020 09: 41 New
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    We will proceed, naturally, from the Criminal Code of the RSFSR (since we are talking about the period in the history of Russia when the crime, in fact, was committed).

    Although I’m not a lawyer, I’ll say that according to the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, you can’t initiate any proceedings, because all criminal and other cases are brought under the current legislation. No need to invent some kind of ephemeral legal field at a time when there is a real one.
  12. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 March 2020 09: 45 New
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    Let's reason logically. Under Putin, such a trial is impossible in principle, and by the time Putin leaves the president of the Russian Federation, all the defendants will already be dead. And what's the point?
    I warmly support the idea of ​​such a court, but it is unrealistic. Alas, the only court to be held over those who destroyed the USSR is the court of History.
  13. arlekin 17 March 2020 09: 50 New
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    "the most powerful and wonderful country" laughing
    The most powerful, only the goods and products couldn’t provide their people. The most powerful country of deficit and doom.
    By the way, and Gorbachev then, he seems to be sideways to the Bialowieza Agreement. If he created the prerequisites, then they all created them, starting with Lenin.
  14. evgic 17 March 2020 09: 53 New
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    Some kind of nonsense. Judge Those who ruined the USSR? Gorbachev and Yeltsin are only the visible part of the iceberg, followed by hundreds of thousands of party and business functionaries, KGB officers who, by their action (inaction) led the country to a sad result. And millions more ordinary citizens, some of whom sat and watched, others pushed incendiary talk about a rotten scoop. Instead, it would be better to declassify documents of that time from party archives, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the KGB and enable researchers of both right and left sense to work with them and understand how the great country itself has collapsed, what to do to prevent this from happening (mass shootings not to offer)
  15. NordUral 17 March 2020 09: 54 New
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    Such a court is possible and necessary only after a change in the social system in the country. Without this, it is impossible. Thieves cannot judge themselves.
  16. apro 17 March 2020 09: 59 New
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    The destruction of the USSR put an end to the civilizational development of the territory of Russia. And most of it supported. For various reasons but with one result. I don’t see any reason for judging anyone. The ideological poverty of the post-Soviet CPSU led to a dead end. And the refusal to build communism led to the destruction USSR.What was needed for a communist society when petty-bourgeois thinking was gradually opposed ...
    1. AU Ivanov. 17 March 2020 10: 43 New
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      Refusal to build communism is the right decision. But it was not necessary to destroy the Power. Which was created by sweat and blood.
      1. apro 17 March 2020 10: 48 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Refusal to build communism is the right decision.

        The construction of a communist society is the main goal of the USSR. This is what economic decisions are based on. Domestic and foreign policy. Without this sense, the USSR does not exist in this territory. It will be a different state and country.
        1. AU Ivanov. 17 March 2020 10: 51 New
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          The state was supposed to be different. Remaining territorially whole. It was impossible to divide the country into national entities.
          1. apro 17 March 2020 10: 58 New
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            Territorial integrity depends only on the interested groups of the population. And on their capabilities. When they destroyed the USSR they did not think about it. Nationalists were allies in the destruction of the country. And you have to pay for it.
    2. Selevc 17 March 2020 14: 55 New
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      Quote: apro
      why was a communist society needed when petty-bourgeois thinking was gradually opposed ...

      And what is communism ??? The doctrine that was introduced to Russia from outside at the peak of the 1st World !!! To destroy that tsarist Russia !!! Who brought communism to Russia? - you read their names !!! THIS IS NOT RUSSIAN PEOPLE !!!
      The history of the Bolsheviks before the revolution is a typical story of a handful of radicals who raised power in Russia which was lying in the dust under their feet in 1917 ...
      Communism as an ideology was invented in Europe in the middle of the 19th century by the same far from poor people (of the same very clever nationality) for a crowd of poor rebels ... Communism replaces a crowd with paradise - a kind of world order where everything has already been decided for you and you don’t have to think, everyone lives in justice, everyone is happy and everyone laughs ... COMMUNISM IS UTOPIA !!!

      This is a utopia that replaced the crowd with religion and led millions over !!!
      Therefore, as soon as the period of the formation of the USSR after the 2nd World War passed - communism as an ideology began to deflate like a balloon - this balloon was blown away because it was artificially inflated from the beginning !!!
  17. arlekin 17 March 2020 10: 00 New
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    "If Russia intends to be considered the successor of the Soviet Union, all the more so, having fixed this provision at the constitutional level."
    Does this mean that my family will be returned 9 tons of rubles lost in 1991, with normal compensation?
  18. Amateur 17 March 2020 10: 10 New
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    Is such a process necessary - at least on the next anniversary of the collapse of the USSR? I am sure that yes.

    "The non-commissioned officer lied to you as if I had carved her; she lies, by golly, lies. She herself carved. "

    Does the author believe that current leaders have not read The Examiner?
    So they will slice themselves.
  19. Shuttle 17 March 2020 10: 24 New
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    There will be no trial since the ruling class of modern bourgeois Russia, i.e. the big financial and industrial bourgeoisie, as it is not difficult to guess, will not allow such a court. After all, all their power is based on the possession of the basic means of production in this country. But ownership is impossible without recognition of the results of predatory privatization of the national economy of the destroyed state of workers and peasants, i.e. the collapse of the USSR.
    Hoping for such a trial is the same as expecting the jailers to repent before the prisoners. It doesn’t matter for what reason the jailers become so. In any case, they will not want to change their position voluntarily.
    And yes, there is no reason to trust those prisoners who pretend that having become the head of the prison themselves will do "everything as in other good societies." They, if they succeed, will just become different exactly the same, or even worse, but still jailers.
  20. prior 17 March 2020 11: 23 New
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    Do not tell my bells ....
    The collapse of the USSR is the birth of today's power.
    How can you judge the one who gave you everything ?!
    It is as if the Ukrainian authorities condemned the Maidan, which gave birth to it.
    But the court is needed and it will be!
  21. faterdom 17 March 2020 12: 14 New
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    These are formalities. There is a higher court, and it has already passed a verdict: Gorabachev and Yeltsin - Judah, although each with its own cockroaches.
    And no Yeltsin-centaur will change this, no Akhejakovs will bleach Gorbachev.
    So, legal hooks can only matter to those who weave them, or who will use them as a tool.
    For example, in Germany, Nazism is condemned and legally prosecuted. Nevertheless, once again the presence of a large number of neo-Nazis pops up not somewhere in the Bundeswehr! And the Chancellor of a united and essentially forgiven Germany makes us a remark about the "inappropriateness of the victory parade in Crimea" ...
    And imposes sanctions on us. Supports the fascist regime in Ukraine.
    There are no guys, everything is wrong, it is our business with you to tell your children and grandchildren who Gorbachev and Yeltsin really are, and they passed on to them further.
    And these - let them hiccup in the next world and turn around in a frying pan (one of them, however, has not arrived there yet, but I hope it will be soon, otherwise the bastard will release all CO2, violating the ecology).
    It doesn’t matter to us what guided us, in what context, and what legal assessments Gog and Magog, Nebuchadnezzar, Judas, Herostratus received — we don’t even know their appearance or chronology of life, but they are not weakly printed — enough for millennia.
  22. Yury Siritsky 17 March 2020 12: 15 New
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    It is necessary to judge not only the elite who is perfect, but also the people who supported it.
  23. E_V_N 17 March 2020 12: 21 New
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    Russia is more than a thousand years old.
    But the USSR did not reach seventy, as the Communists sold it.

    Mr. good, what kind of 1000 years of Russia are you talking about. The territory where Russia then appeared existed for millions of years, but what does this have to do with Russia? 1000 years ago there were disparate principalities, no one knew about Russia. The Romanovs, when the concept of Russia was born, came to power 400 years ago. And their possessions were 100 times smaller than the current ones.
    After such pearls, one does not believe that you studied in the USSR, are more like a "victim of the exam", so it’s useless to put such cons.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 March 2020 13: 59 New
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      In fact, the pearl that Russia, it turns out, originated during the arrival of the Romanovs - it should even be embarrassing for the USE three-year-old
      1. rich 17 March 2020 19: 39 New
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        And do not say that the USE exams should be very, very ashamed not to know their story. The rest are well aware that Russia began to be called Russia only in the 1721st year, and it was under the Romanovs. What he writes about E_V_N (Eugene)
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          Even the three-year USE should understand the difference between the words "originate" and "be named." It is possible to say that Russia began to be called such under the Romanovs, but that it "was born as a concept" under the Romanovs is nonsense
  24. E_V_N 17 March 2020 12: 30 New
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    However, Putin has merit to the fatherland. He returned the Crimea

    He returned Crimea, and Donbas, who was also transferred to the "for the creation of the proletarian layer" in the agrarian Little Russia, was afraid to return, although there would have been no more sanctions.
    And as for the Communists who destroyed the Empire, the Communists collected the country from the ruins of the Empire and made it a great power that the whole world reckoned with, the current government is still feeding on the results of the USSR and is putting itself in its merits.
    And about the current exaggerated greatness. Now some kind of Poland, the Baltic states, and Ukraine dare to open their mouths on Russia, humiliate them and not penniless.
    As they say, learn the materiel, Govorun.
  25. E_V_N 17 March 2020 12: 34 New
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    The bulk of the end of the 80s did not believe in this system.

    But how do the results of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR correlate with your opus, or, as always, give your opinion as the will of the people? Tereshkova you are ours.
    1. atalef 17 March 2020 13: 01 New
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      Quote: E_V_N
      Quote: atalef
      The bulk of the end of the 80s did not believe in this system.

      But how do the results of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR correlate with your opus, or, as always, give your opinion as the will of the people? Tereshkova you are ours.

      And so it is seen
      76% for Putin.
      Tereshkova law laughing
  26. E_V_N 17 March 2020 12: 39 New
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    And in China, socialism?
    Do you live in a parallel universe?

    What do you mean by socialism? did you graduate from school? Socialism is a social state system, that is, a system aimed at improving the life of the people.
    If you say that the life of the Chinese people, under the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party, is getting worse, then you should see a doctor, not here. By the way, there was still national socialism in Germany, where the life of the Germans also improved for some time.
    1. atalef 17 March 2020 12: 53 New
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      What do you mean by socialism? did you graduate from school? Socialism is a social state system, that is, a system aimed at improving the life of the people.

      Seriously?
      Is it written?
      On the wall in a country club?

      The state and social system, the basis of industrial relations of which is public ownership of the means of production, and when the rum is implemented, the principle is implemented: from each according to his ability, to each according to his work.

      Sorry - the people did not find the word.
      By the way, why then under capitalism do people live better?
      Quote: E_V_N
      If you say that the life of the Chinese people, under the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party, is getting worse, then you should see a doctor, not here.

      The first evidence of the benefits of capitalism - or are you still convinced that socialism is in China?
      Quote: E_V_N
      By the way, there was still national socialism in Germany, there the Germans' life also improved for some time.

      This is one of the ways to which socialism leads and how it ends.
      Deuce to you, to school urgently, for the second year.
  27. iouris 17 March 2020 12: 40 New
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    Quote: “If Russia intends to be considered the successor of the Soviet Union, all the more so, having fixed this provision at the constitutional level, ...” End of quote.
    Russia is a much broader concept than the Russian Federation. The Constitution of the Russian Federation can be consolidated, but on the external side (and inside) the succession must be supported by deeds. The succession of the Russian Federation was associated with only one topic: the payment of USSR debts.
    The constitution stipulates that the property of the USSR is "privatized" ("how much in this word ..."). Thus, the Russian Federation is the AntiSSSR. There will be no process. The Constitution of the Russian Federation will not fix the principle of “Everything for the good of man”, there will not even be guarantees for a minimum food package that ensures the existence of a person (not to mention the social package). The minimum wage can be any, like the price of bread and bananas.
  28. Boratsagdiev 17 March 2020 13: 21 New
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    What court are you?! ...
    They create a bourgeois-monarchist society, with estates and participles.
  29. bandabas 17 March 2020 13: 49 New
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    But the meaning. The question is, what will happen next? Personally, I, and I think most of the citizens of our country do not like blah blah blah from the leadership. Pull, pull, pull, we can’t. Already not funny.
    1. Campanella 17 March 2020 19: 38 New
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      I do not like to put it mildly. Inept and complete .. seized power. Capitalism finally blew their heads.
  30. Roman1234567 17 March 2020 13: 56 New
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    While you are going to judge them, they are distributing the titles of labor heroes to each other ..))
    1. iouris 17 March 2020 14: 04 New
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      They hit on the road, fighting corruption. A good start is half the battle.
    2. Campanella 17 March 2020 19: 41 New
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      Hero of capitalist labor))) The president has an eclipse of reason. It’s necessary to go wild so much.
  31. Alsur 17 March 2020 14: 38 New
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    Not to be, since by the time of the trial, the accused will no longer be alive. And there, the limitation period will arrive.
  32. parusnik 17 March 2020 15: 18 New
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    Is such a process necessary - at least on the next anniversary of the collapse of the USSR?
    ... And who will judge? And whom to judge? ... Around their ... laughing
  33. AB
    AB 17 March 2020 15: 30 New
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    Article from the series "and laughter and sin." A cadet from a priest stole a censer ... The trial of the destroyers of the USSR: to be or not to be. The author of the roofing felts came out of a coma, the roofing felts fell into insanity. Where are you, the guardians of the punishment for the collapse of the USSR, were in 70-80 years? Why didn’t they stop the entry of troops into Afghanistan? Why did you receive only one message at all congresses of the CPSU - Do we approve and support the Party and Government policies? Why were they almost dragging them into the Komsomol and the party by force, and if they still refused, did they start to push? That's when there will be answers to these questions, then you will understand that it was not possible to save the USSR in that form. Of course Gorbachev is a traitor and a court is needed for him. But! Not for the collapse of the USSR, but betrayal. The Soviet Union ruined the entire party elite of the USSR. But they, in their majority, have already gone to another world. Three men who drank vodka in Belovezhskaya Pushcha will also fail to condemn. Only the Yeltsin Center remained from EBN. So whom to judge then, this is the question.
    1. Campanella 17 March 2020 19: 43 New
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      They are judged not to punish specific people, but to think another time before doing this.
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    BAI 17 March 2020 15: 32 New
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    And, in addition, the actions of the criminal “gangway”, which divided the Soviet Union in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, fit perfectly into the modern article “Forced seizure of power”.

    The author himself answered his own question. If Belovezhskaya Pushcha is recognized as a crime, then the very existence of the current Russian Federation is illegal. Why ask such questions?
  35. rotkiv04 17 March 2020 17: 24 New
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    This court is not needed primarily by the ruling Kremlin elite and Putin personally
  36. Andrey VOV 17 March 2020 18: 40 New
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    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    And what does the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation? We are talking about the collapse of the USSR, respectively, and the articles of the Criminal Code of the USSR should apply.
    By the way, officially it seems like the USSR still exists, there are no legislative acts on the basis of which it could be considered destroyed ...

    If according to your logic, then you, for example, for an article of 5, you can plant spikelets .. who will judge then ???? why do you simplify it, the collapse did not begin with Gorbachev
  37. Dizel200 17 March 2020 18: 43 New
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    author -> author -> author-naive Albanian guy?
  38. Campanella 17 March 2020 19: 36 New
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    I agree with the author. Be sure to judge and disassemble everything by the bones. Only there is nobody to do it.
    After all, Putin turned arrows on the people saying that it was people who chose capitalism. And the people, as we know, are not the holder of power, but its performer.
  39. 16112014nk 17 March 2020 21: 58 New
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    All the destroyers of the USSR are now in power structures. Judge ourselves?
    Well, if in 16 years something changes.
  40. German Titov 17 March 2020 23: 03 New
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    Quote: parusnik
    Our generals are above all praise
    ... Excuse me, what are your generals, communists among them? laughing

    Do you consider George Konstantinovich Zhukov and Nikolai Fedorovich Vatutin monarchists? As for me, they are communists, not party members.
  41. Boozer 18 March 2020 10: 32 New
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    The USSR was destroyed by the leaders of the three Slavic republics. Yourself! Without pressure and coercion! And this is history ....
  42. zenion 18 March 2020 16: 13 New
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    If there could be a Nuremberg Tribunal, then there could also be a Moscow Tribunal. Not only those who sat in tone, but also those who changed the oath.
  43. Radikal 18 March 2020 23: 43 New
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    Quote: For example
    Russia is my homeland.
    I was born in the USSR.
    But for a thousand years, my homeland existed before the USSR.
    The Russian state lived and grew stronger without a Western infection called communism.
    The Communists participated on the west side in the collapse of the Russian Empire.
    And then continued the collapse of my country - in 91 divided into pieces.

    The Communists and their followers regret the lost power. But you yourself have sold everything.
    Judge for yourself.
    You can only judge and blame. On someone else's hump, you want to enter paradise. Someone is always your fault.

    Trotsky first leader, then enemy. Stalin first leader, then enemy. Khrushchev first leader, then the enemy. And so with each of your "leader". WITH EVERYONE.

    The farther from the Russian land the communists will be, the more beautiful our life will be.

    All rubbish comes to us from the west.
    Communism and those are European fiction.


    In the meantime, put the minuses. Perhaps it’s easier. wassat

    If Russia intends to be considered the successor of the Soviet Union


    Russia is more than a thousand years old.
    But the USSR did not reach seventy, as the Communists sold it.

    Who is whose receiver? wink

    There are no receivers here. This is one and the same country. Russian state.

    I forgot to speak about the Victory in the Great Patriotic War .... winked lol
  44. Fishery 18 March 2020 23: 47 New
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    you don’t have to worry) the same party and Komsomol members are in power)))) and they have much more than the Black Volga and the party dacha
  45. In a d and m 19 March 2020 08: 34 New
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    To judge, definitely!
  46. Yashka Arteleiist 19 March 2020 09: 22 New
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    Then to start with the leader of the red globes, Judas Ulyanov, his child was originally stillborn, and kept for 70 years on bayonets of a repressive apparatus
  47. fleks 19 March 2020 11: 45 New
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    The idea of ​​a trial of traitors to the USSR is now impossible, because the government is not popular. It’s oligarchic. What will they judge themselves?
  48. place 19 March 2020 12: 16 New
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    Judging by the large number of absolutely idiotic and conflicting comments- The judgment of God will soon come true over a society that betrayed in the early 90s everything that could and could not be betrayed. And the fact that this Court is inexorably approaching is now clear to the hedgehog.

    For its own responsibility, the "state-forming" for centuries (!!!) - does not realize at all. A people who openly declare. what a story his country must answer "Jews, the Bolsheviks of 1917, the Caucasus, Asians, etc." - naturally he himself and renounced.

    And therefore, in practice, it does not have any rights, no matter how "main" it is prescribed in the Basic Law.
  49. Pavel Fedorov 19 March 2020 14: 56 New
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    the current Kremlin managers, together with the deputies, are the Zionist gang of Russian killers. They need to be judged by a military tribunal, as well as the top of the law enforcement agencies ...
  50. Vanych 19 March 2020 20: 33 New
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    here the article recently came across, it says that the collapse of the USSR began to prepare the KGB in the mid-70s, and Gorbachev and Yeltsin came to power not without the help of andropov