"Promised land". What attracted Soviet people there and what now attracts citizens of the CIS countries

"Promised land". What attracted Soviet people there and what now attracts citizens of the CIS countries

Jewish emigration from the USSR and Russia, on the one hand, is a topic that seems to have undergone the most detailed analysis, and on the other ... It’s worthwhile to delve deeper not into its official interpretations, but into the recollections of the direct participants in this long and arduous process, as it becomes it is clear: not everything here is so simple. In the end, abandoning everything, breaking loose and tearing through half the world in pursuit of some ephemeral beautiful future is not a very easy decision. Nevertheless, tens of thousands of our compatriots have accepted and accept it for themselves. Why?


As a matter of fact, it is possible to talk about any mass emigration (or, if you like, repatriation) of Soviet citizens to Israel, starting from the 60s of the XX century. Firstly, it was then that the state regime somewhat softened, the “Iron Curtain” began to give even small, but cracks, and the desire to leave the USSR no longer equated automatically to treason. And secondly, the state of Israel suddenly declared itself powerfully and loudly, winning the Six Day War. In many sources, this victory is indicated as the reason that prompted the Soviet Jews, who at once inflamed with "patriotic feelings" and pride in the land of their ancestors, to begin to make plans for their departure.

Most likely, this is not entirely true. In fact, after the “Six Day War” in the Soviet Union, the processes of “the fight against Zionism” and other leaders, as was the case in the domestic stories more than once or twice, they began to go too far, beginning to seek out “Zionists” in their own collectives and organizations. It is clear that some of the Soviet citizens who flaunted the notorious “fifth count”, this ruined the life. Hence the sudden zeal that arose from them at any cost.

Incidentally, according to the recognition of the most honest and frank leaders of the repatriation movement in the USSR, only a few were the ideological opponents of the Soviet regime among those who left. The rest were simply eager to go where, in their opinion, they would have more life prospects, where they would be more satisfying, freer, more fun to live. With regard to the religious component - about the same picture. If all the repatriates were attracted by the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, then they would not end up in New York, having made a transfer from a Soviet plane in Vienna or Rome not to Israeli, but to American. In 1973, out of the nearly 35 thousand Jews who left the USSR, about one and a half thousand turned out to be such, and already in 1989, almost 80% of those who left our country to reunite with their families in Israel turned out to be nearly XNUMX% of US citizens.

One writer later characterized this audience as tricky people who at one time disassembled three countries: the Union lied about relatives in Israel, the Israelis swore allegiance to Zion, and the Americans were convinced of the alleged “political persecution” against them. In fact, people just wanted to get out of the “hated scoop”. How much their dreams of heavenly life in the West subsequently came true - a topic for a completely different conversation.

For the same reason, the flow of emigrants sharply increased from the “ruins” of the USSR - they fled to the “promised land” from countries where there was no more peace, no peace, no normal work, no clear prospects. They fled wherever they could. For people with higher education, representatives of scientific and creative intelligentsia, this was especially true.

Leave for Israel from Russia and other CIS countries today. Fortunately, there are no more problems with this. The movement of “refuseniks” - those who were not given permission to travel in the USSR — has long been forgotten. After decades, problems with the KGB and party organization among those who decided to go for a visa to the Israeli embassy seem to be a terrible fairy tale. Anyway, now anyone and anywhere can leave, there would be a desire and would be taken wherever you go.

The West has lost an excellent opportunity to pressure our country for “obstructing repatriation”, reproaching it for “violation of human rights”. Today, one has to use completely different reasons for this.

Why are you going now? Yes, all for the same reason that the president not so long ago voiced, recalling on this occasion the saying about fish and people. They are looking for where deeper, they are looking for where it is better ... True, for some time back traffic has also been outlined, primarily for the creative intelligentsia mentioned above, the "open spaces" of Israel for the flight of their creative thoughts turned out to be too narrow.
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  1. Same lech 17 March 2020 06: 53 New
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    One writer later characterized this audience as tricky people who had at one time tarnished three countries:

    These can ... people are cunning and smart ... you need to keep your eyes open to them.
    1. Cowbra 17 March 2020 06: 59 New
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      But now they are so scrolled with the "invisible" F-35 harasho ... With a whistle and squatting winked
      1. Rambam 17 March 2020 07: 07 New
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        Judging by Syria, the F-35 is fine
        1. Cowbra 17 March 2020 07: 33 New
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          It is noticeable ... That as the S-400 appeared - now we don’t fly further than Lebanon ... And it was also confirmed that Kraukha burned the electronics precisely to the Israeli F-35 ... And so yes, they didn’t strike even once. Well your eyes were bugging, which was bathed - now squeeze, want to climb wassat
          1. Rambam 17 March 2020 08: 07 New
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            Who said that we are flying? We fly and bomb
            1. Cowbra 17 March 2020 08: 09 New
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              When flew into Syria? And who said - the press service of Israel! So far, the bots are tired
              1. Rambam 17 March 2020 08: 09 New
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                Constantly flooded. Since when did your Kanashenkov speak for the IDF press service?
                Drain protected
              2. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 08: 17 New
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                Quote: Cowbra
                When flew into Syria? And who said - the press service of Israel! So far, the bots are tired

                I have already answered such statements several times, this is what many want.
                But in fact:
                "The flight route of Israeli military aircraft that attacked the eastern part of Syria has been published. As it turned out, the Israeli Air Force planes (and according to some reports, it could be about the F-35), not only entered the airspace of Syria, but also flew several hundred kilometers, being in the zone of detection and defeat
                1. Cowbra 17 March 2020 08: 37 New
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                  Are you the same bot, or another one? On September 20, Jews were discovered and escorted by two VKS fighters, as a result of which they did not have to strike - for they would have immediately been shot down. The plot is that they saw right away - they managed to raise the fighters to catch up.
                  Tired of bots. The main thing is that they run in packs. Do you have a change? And everyone just registered, which is typical, all work in one dudu and one minus)))
                  1. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 09: 14 New
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                    Quote: Cowbra
                    escorted by two VKS fighters

                    Quote: Cowbra
                    Are you the same bot, or another one?

                    The publication posted a video with two Russian planes in the sky over Lebanese Tripoli, however, Israeli aircraft are not visible on it.
                    At the same time, neither Moscow nor Israel confirmed the interception data.
                    According to Israeli media, fighter aircraft of the Russian Armed Forces of the Russian Federation probably participated in exercises over the Mediterranean Sea, but were forced to enter Lebanese airspace for landing due to bad weather.
                  2. Rambam 17 March 2020 09: 26 New
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                    Do not tell anyone
                    1. AK1972 17 March 2020 11: 41 New
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                      Quote: Rambam
                      Constantly flooded.

                      Quote: Rambam
                      Do not tell anyone

                      What does the word not emphasize? Write correctly, ignoramus.
              3. papandopala 17 March 2020 08: 27 New
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                Quote: Cowbra
                When flew into Syria? And who said - the press service of Israel! So far, the bots are tired

                You have radars standing near the couch and zayikat exactly where fu35 fly.?
                1. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 08: 45 New
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                  Quote: papandopala
                  You have radars standing near the couch and zayikat exactly where fu35 fly.?

                  And not only that, I have about the sofa and control satellites.
            2. lucul 17 March 2020 20: 30 New
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              Who said that we are flying? We fly and bomb

              So it is - before, Iran itself was flying and bombing calmly. Now what? ))))
          2. bobwings 17 March 2020 08: 58 New
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            Who confirmed and when?
            1. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 09: 19 New
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              Quote: bobwings
              Who confirmed and when?

              In the world there is only ONE reliable source Konashenkov
            2. papandopala 17 March 2020 12: 59 New
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              Quote: bobwings
              Who confirmed and when?

              Well, Vitalik confirmed
          3. Albina Yakovleva_5 17 March 2020 11: 44 New
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            Do not know ford do not get into the water ... the proverb is spelled grammatically incorrectly. misinterpreted
    2. Rurikovich 17 March 2020 07: 02 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      .the people are cunning and smart

      "We Gussians, Dgug Dguga are not deceiving ..." ("Brother -2") wassat laughing
      1. Insurgent 17 March 2020 07: 15 New
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        Quote: Rurikovich
        "we Gussians, dgug dguga are not deceiving ..."


        To this topic :

        One Jewish boy loved to read. He read everything that came to his hand, and loved to go to his favorite bookstore. Once he realized that he had already read everything that was sold there. The boy asked the owner if there was anything in the store that he had never seen. The owner said that he was, and took out a book called "Death." He willingly sold it at a discount, for only 10 shekels.
        However, he strictly warned the boy so that he would never open the first page - under pain of death.
        The boy returned home, read a book and was pleased. But he always wanted to know WHAT SAME THERE ON THE FIRST PAGE (?).
        Once the temptation became too strong, and he flipped through the book to the very beginning, and dropped it, in HORROR, almost dying.

        On the first page it was written: "Recommended price - 5 shekels"
        1. Uncle lee 17 March 2020 07: 28 New
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          Bear Shifman Bashkovit -
          At his foresight.
          “What we see,” he says, “
          Besides television ?!
          You watch the competition in Sopot -
          And you swallow the dust,
          And whoever gets
          Let into Israel! ”

          Mishka also reported
          On the way to Mnevniki,
          Says: “I caught Gold Meir
          In the radio ... "
          And he said this,
          Well, before it's beautiful,
          What I almost missed
          In the paws of Tel Aviv.

          At first I was not drunk,
          I objected twice -
          I say: “Moshe Dayan -
          The bitch is one-eyed.
          Aggressive, beast,
          Pure pharaoh.
          Well, where is the aggression -
          There’s no reason for me. ”

          Bear immediately fell into ecstasy -
          After liters of drunk -
          And he says: “They are us
          They kicked out of Egypt!
          Insults to forgive
          I can not do that!
          I want to shame the shame
          Merry Christmas! ”
          1. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 08: 34 New
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            Well, a Jew himself wrote about himself in V Vysotsky
            1. Uncle lee 17 March 2020 08: 39 New
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              Quote: Uncle Izya
              yes wrote

              To himself, he wrote:
              Don't worry i didn't leave
              And don’t hope, I won’t leave!
              1. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 08: 45 New
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                Under the USSR, this was a problem, and he was not a bad celebrity in the USSR, but in Israel he would have been
                1. pmkemcity 17 March 2020 12: 35 New
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                  Quote: Uncle Izya
                  Israel he would be someone

                  Not "someone," but "no one."
                  1. indy424 22 March 2020 15: 38 New
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                    actually, "nobody" is written together, corrector
                    1. pmkemcity 23 March 2020 04: 46 New
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                      Quote: indy424
                      actually, "nobody" is written together, corrector

                      There is no unequivocal answer.
        2. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 08: 33 New
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          Why are you letting yourself be so deceived
      2. Mordvin 3 17 March 2020 08: 45 New
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        Quote: Rurikovich
        "We Gussians, Dgug Dguga are not deceiving ..." ("Brother -2")

        There was nothing for the nation of merchants and moneylenders in the Union.
        1. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 08: 57 New
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          Traders were more among Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis and Jews are more likely a nation of scientists
          1. Mordvin 3 17 March 2020 09: 52 New
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            Quote: Uncle Izya
            and Jews are rather a nation of scientists

            Yeah, I remember how one Jew always walked around the market with new tape recorders, such as listening to music, and selling another constantly new car.
            1. region58 18 March 2020 02: 14 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Yeah remember

              Quote: lucul
              I belittle you .....

              Civil war, food shortages, stringent food price caps. Rabinovich sells geese at 500 rubles apiece and thrives. The neighbor wants to follow his example and places an ad in the newspaper, immediately the KGB officers come and confiscate his geese. “Yasha,” the neighbor asks, “why doesn’t the Cheka come to you?” You sell your geese for the same 500 rubles. - And what did you write in the ad? - I wrote: I sell geese at 500 rubles apiece. “Well, you acted very stupidly.” I always write like this: "On Sunday, I lost 500 rubles on Cathedral Square. The finder will receive a goose as a reward." And the next day, Odessa citizens bring me lost 500 rubles ...
              wink
          2. lucul 17 March 2020 20: 34 New
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            Traders were more among Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijanis and Jews are more likely a nation of scientists

            I belittle you .....
        2. Rambam 17 March 2020 09: 29 New
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          Therefore, the union rested in the Bose
        3. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 10: 29 New
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          There was nothing for the nation of merchants and moneylenders in the Union.

          I will try to explain to you. that for some reason you don’t roll out or it’s more convenient for you to look for the enemy
          Soon 75 years of the Great Victory.
          And I will give examples of who made TOGETHER with all the people a significant contribution to this Victory.
          Vannikov Boris Lvovich
          .Three times Hero of Socialist Labor (1942, 1949, 1954),
          - Laureate of two State Prizes of the USSR (1951, 1953),
          Since July 1941 - Deputy People's Commissar of Arms of the USSR, and then People's Commissar
          ammunition of the USSR.
          In 1954, for the creation of a hydrogen bomb, he was awarded the third Golden
          Stars under number. 1
          Design and construction of colossal workshops
          within 6-8 months they managed to organize the military-industrial complex
          together with the people's commissar of construction Semyon Zakharovich Ginzburg his
          assistants Veniamin Dymshits and Abram Zavenyagin.
          Major General [b] Chaim Rubinchik,
          becoming director of a shipyard
          "Red Sormovo" on the Volga, managed to turn it into a tank and to the end
          war release 10000 T-34 tanks
          Artillery factories were led by: Leo Honor
          (Barricade factory, Boris Fratkin (plant named after Kalinin), Jacob Shifrin (plant named after Voroshilov), Abram Bykhovsky (factory in Motovilikha)
          Twice Hero of Socialist Labor, five-time Stalin Prize laureate constructor
          Nudelman - creator of the famous aircraft gun N-37
          The artillery installation SU-122 was designed under the guidance of Lev
          Izrailevich Gorlitsky.

          Hero of social labor, winner of the Lenin and Stalin Prizes. Constructor of the fastest fighters of World War II La-5, La-7 and La-9 Semen Moiseevich Lavochkin.
          Lavochkin’s first deputy was Mihail Leontievich Milbecome
          subsequently the general designer of many Soviet helicopters. Of
          design bureau Lavochkin and Semen A. Kosberg. Since 1958 he
          worked for Korolev, created engines for rockets of the 3rd stage.
          This is not a complete list.
          Maybe you and others, as it changes the view of the "merchants."
          And together with other VICTORY HEROES we will tell them THANK YOU!
          1. Mordvin 3 17 March 2020 10: 34 New
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            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            This is not a complete list.

            And I know this list. And I do not deny that there were and are outstanding designers and scientists. Only here, Gogol very well described the nature of your nation. So my opinion will not change.
            1. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 10: 55 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Only here, Gogol very well described the nature of your nation.

              And not only Gogol. But you probably know that he was a sick person.
              Do you know a proverb about a caravan?
              1. Mordvin 3 17 March 2020 11: 00 New
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                Do you know a proverb about a caravan?

                Either 40 years they wandered through the Sinai desert, then around the world, without having their own state. Good caravan. And the dogs not only barked, but also destroyed your brother.
                1. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 12: 08 New
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                  And the dogs not only barked, but also destroyed your brother.

                  Yes, many tried and how did it end?
                  The creation of STATES OF ISRAEL One of the leading states in the world.
                  Instead of learning how to conduct the economy, you are looking for ways to blame someone for your inability.
            2. bobwings 17 March 2020 12: 13 New
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              Our nation, when it did not have its own country, survived in the hostile atmosphere of your compatriots. Throw us on a stone, and there we’ll take root. When our ancestors could not have land to cultivate it, to work for the state. positions and study at universities, survived as best they could ... including small crafts, trade, work as clerks, and yes, tenants among the gentry, including, and kept the shanks, it was like that. It was you, with your hatred and expulsion from public life, that made our ancestors such.
              In the place where the Jews were free to choose, they chose for themselves productive specialties, such as in the USSR between 17 and 48, when they began to spread rot again.
              1. pmkemcity 17 March 2020 12: 47 New
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                Quote: bobwings
                Our nation, when it did not have its own country, survived in the hostile atmosphere of your compatriots. Throw us on a stone, and there we’ll take root. When our ancestors could not have land to cultivate it, to work for the state. positions and study at universities, survived as best they could ... including small crafts, trade, work as clerks, and yes, tenants among the gentry, including, and kept the shanks, it was like that. It was you, with your hatred and expulsion from public life, that made our ancestors such.
                In the place where the Jews were free to choose, they chose for themselves productive specialties, such as in the USSR between 17 and 48, when they began to spread rot again.

                What did “you” all in Russia end up in, where “you” are oppressed? Everything would be built after Shenderovich and forward, to the "Non-German". There, “You” will clearly explain where in the cemetery the stone on which you can take root. And with the “desire to cultivate the land,” they simply made fun of it.
                1. bobwings 17 March 2020 16: 54 New
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                  Come to Israel, see with your own eyes what Jewish farmers know how to turn the desert.
                  By the way, look at the same time how many Jewish heroes are social. labor was in the EAO at the time, including the heads of collective farms.
                  1. pmkemcity 18 March 2020 05: 28 New
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                    Quote: bobwings
                    By the way, look at the same time how many Jewish heroes are social. labor was in the EAO at the time, including the heads of collective farms.

                    I have a bunch of relatives of the Amur Cossacks, in that same "EAO", so the uncle said that he saw only two Jews - one in the movies, the other on television. And the earth. which other hands have been cultivated for you for thousands of years, to call the desert - would be ashamed.
                  2. Mordvin 3 18 March 2020 08: 29 New
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                    Quote: bobwings
                    you will see with your own eyes what Jewish farmers know how to turn the desert.

                    Have you started to respect kibbutzniks there?
                    1. bobwings 18 March 2020 08: 33 New
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                      We have always respected kibbutzniks and fraudsters.
                      1. Mordvin 3 18 March 2020 08: 34 New
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                        Quote: bobwings
                        We have always respected kibbutzniks and fraudsters.

                        They told me something completely different.
                      2. bobwings 18 March 2020 11: 37 New
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                        Did Prokhanov and Shevchenko speak?
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                        Quote: bobwings
                        Did Prokhanov and Shevchenko speak?

                        A man who has relatives in Israel.
                    2. indy424 22 March 2020 15: 41 New
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                      they told you garbage. kibbutzniks are still the elite of Israeli society
                    3. ccsr 23 March 2020 18: 20 New
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                      Quote: indy424
                      kibbutzniks are still the elite of Israeli society

                      And we are constantly being proved here that Israel is the most advanced country in scientific research and almost the leader in the world. I did not even imagine that all the electronics and programming in kibbutzim is being done - this is something new for understanding Israeli reality. It remains to be found out that the orthodox moved, so that the picture was complete about the Israeli elite.
                    4. indy424 23 March 2020 18: 34 New
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                      your brain is amazingly built. but I will answer. the elite are not necessarily those who earn the most. but you don’t understand this.
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                      Quote: indy424
                      but I will answer. the elite are not necessarily those who earn the most. but you don’t understand this.

                      Did Zhvanetsky tell you this or the Rothschilds?
                      Quote: indy424
                      your brain is amazingly built.

                      Have you read Solzhenitsyn and his "200 years ..."? I feel that you have not grown up to his understanding, so you do not pull on the elite, even if your brain is arranged differently.
      3. Zeev Zeev 17 March 2020 17: 23 New
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        But in Russia, the Jews were after three divisions by the three German monarchs of the Commonwealth, the lands of present-day Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine. Mountain, Bukhara and Georgian Jews came under Russian rule after the conquest of the Caucasus and Central Asia.
        1. pmkemcity 18 March 2020 05: 30 New
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          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          But in Russia, the Jews were after three sections of the three German monarchs of the Commonwealth

          And in the Commonwealth, Jews in the garden grew up?
          1. Zeev Zeev 18 March 2020 07: 27 New
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            The history of the emergence of Jewish communities on the lands of the Polish Crown and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania Ruska and Zhemoytsky is a separate story, we are now talking about how my ancestors came under the rule of St. Petersburg. They did not move to Russia, it was Russia that came to their homes.
            1. pmkemcity 18 March 2020 08: 48 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              it is Russia that came to their homes.

              Again Russia is to blame! How many of you have made people? In the bathhouse I washed, learned the Russian language, gave the "promised" land?
            2. Zeev Zeev 18 March 2020 08: 52 New
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              The Promised Land was granted to us by the Almighty. More specifically, you can familiarize yourself with the Pentateuch of Moses. Ablution is a procedure that has existed among Jews since ancient times when mammoths still lived on the territory of modern Russia. And my ancestors learned Russian language themselves, and I don’t understand why Russian knowledge is so important. Outside of Russia, even now, it’s not worth much from him
            3. pmkemcity 18 March 2020 10: 08 New
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              Almighty has given us the Promised Land

              Not the Almighty, but the Supreme.
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              Ablution is a procedure that has existed among Jews since ancient times when mammoths still lived on the territory of modern Russia.

              Washing and washing in the Russian language have a different interpretation.
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              I don’t understand why Russian is so important

              If they knew the language, they would not have made such mistakes.
            4. Zeev Zeev 18 March 2020 10: 45 New
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              I strongly advise you to spend an evening reading books (or at least sites) about the history of Jews, the State of Israel, and to the heap of Russian history.
            5. pmkemcity 18 March 2020 10: 48 New
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              I strongly advise you to spend an evening reading books (or at least sites) about the history of Jews, the State of Israel, and to the heap of Russian history.

              I have a "yavreika" wife. I have been fond of this anti-Semitism for 32 years.
            6. Zeev Zeev 18 March 2020 10: 54 New
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              I'm sorry for your wife. Search Keywords: San Remo Conference, British Mandate in Palestine, 1897 Zionist Congress in Basel, First Aliyah, Second Aliyah ...
            7. pmkemcity 18 March 2020 11: 02 New
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              I'm sorry for your wife.

              Every day I hint at emigration, they say, the Motherland is a covenant. And she is in no way. And her brother returned ten years ago, although he served in Israel.
            8. Zeev Zeev 18 March 2020 11: 09 New
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              Israel is a country of strong spirit. Whoever is weak does not survive here ...
            9. pmkemcity 18 March 2020 11: 18 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              Israel is a country of strong spirit. Whoever is weak does not survive here ...

              You just run into jokes about the strong in spirit - https://www.vesty.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5452693,00.html
            10. Zeev Zeev 18 March 2020 11: 30 New
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              What I just did not hear and did not read about my people.
            11. pmkemcity 18 March 2020 12: 35 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              What I just did not hear and did not read about my people.

              From general to specific. Every nation consists of "people." That's when they will say - Moisha entered the burning house and brought out not a safe, but a sick old woman, then there will be "plus one" to the karma of the people of Israel.
            12. Zeev Zeev 18 March 2020 13: 17 New
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              The people of Israel have such advantages to karma above the roof. But nobody will remember about them. You do not remember how the Jews helped Russia capture the Caucasus or Bukhara, or how the Jews helped in the war with Napoleon. But they are firmly convinced that the people with the highest number of Heroes of the Soviet Union per capita during the Second World War were sitting in the rear.
            13. pmkemcity 19 March 2020 05: 00 New
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              You don’t remember how the Jews helped Russia capture the Caucasus or Bukhara, or how the Jews helped in the war with Napoleon

              In your words the whole history of Zionism is betrayal for the sake of profit and fawning over the strong.
            14. Zeev Zeev 19 March 2020 06: 47 New
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              That is, Russia's help in the war is a betrayal? An interesting idea, you need to consider.
            15. pmkemcity 19 March 2020 06: 57 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              That is, Russia's help in the war is a betrayal? An interesting idea, you need to consider.

              Is this not a betrayal of the same Bukhara khan, and then the tsar-emperor, the same Kaiser, the ideals of communism that they themselves planted on the Russian people? Betray the new masters in the same way.
            16. Zeev Zeev 19 March 2020 07: 33 New
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              Is betrayal when the oppressed fight against their oppressors even with the use of outside force? That is, the Crimeans and the inhabitants of LDNR are traitors to Ukraine? And participation in the defense against external aggression of the country where you live (for example, the Russian Empire in 1812) is also a betrayal? No, I understand that Berek Yoselevich defended Warsaw from Suvorov’s troops with his Jewish regiment, he is an unconditional traitor in your opinion, but then the traitor is the order holder Georgy Yosef Trumpeldor, who lost his hand in Port Arthur and returned to duty, and the commander landing on Small Earth Caesar Kunnikov?
            17. pmkemcity 19 March 2020 07: 56 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              Is betrayal when the oppressed fight against their oppressors even with the use of outside force?

              Well, in the Soviet Union, Jews were never oppressed, but rather they were oppressors. As for the rest, I can only say that in every rule there are exceptions that only confirm the rules. In relation to Russia, they simply behaved like locusts - they robbed and flew on. What is easier - take a trowel in your hands, build a temple, plant a tree, grow a son. But no, it is necessary to destroy someone else’s temple, cut down someone else’s vineyard, kill Goliath.
            18. Zeev Zeev 19 March 2020 08: 11 New
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              In the USSR, there were several ethnic groups with limited rights, such as admission to universities, employment, promotion of military service, etc. Jews among them. By the way, about the temples. In 1947, in the city where I was born, surviving Jews opened a synagogue (until 1917 there were 40 synagogues and two churches in the city). In 1948, the synagogue was closed. Until 1988, there was no synagogue (legal) in the city. And the church was, and the Russian Orthodox Church.
            19. pmkemcity 19 March 2020 09: 15 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              By the way, about the temples. In 1947, in the city where I was born, surviving Jews opened a synagogue (until 1917 there were 40 synagogues and two churches in the city). In 1948, the synagogue was closed. Until 1988, there was no synagogue (legal) in the city. And the church was, and the Russian Orthodox Church.

              VPSh is your synagogue, and the Komsomol meeting is a Shabbat. The fact that the Jews of Moscow oppressed the Jews of the township does not mean that Russia is bad.
            20. Zeev Zeev 19 March 2020 09: 44 New
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              So you have already decided-Jews in the USSR ruled or the USSR collapsed?
            21. pmkemcity 19 March 2020 09: 46 New
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              So you have already decided-Jews in the USSR ruled or the USSR collapsed?

              You yourself answered your question - and ruled and ruined. How could it be otherwise?
            22. Zeev Zeev 19 March 2020 10: 28 New
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              So if we created it, then we had every right to destroy it. Everything is like in the classic of RUSSIAN literature: "I gave birth to you, I will kill you." winked
            23. pmkemcity 19 March 2020 10: 44 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              So if we created it, then we had every right to destroy it. Everything is like in the classic of RUSSIAN literature: “I gave birth to you, I will kill you”

              So do not be offended. that the debris of that tower scratched you. Bring your forty pieces of silver to Sodom, so that you would squander there, betray again ... and the Lord set Cain a sign.
            24. Zeev Zeev 19 March 2020 11: 01 New
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              By the way, about Sdom. Only Lot and his family could escape from it, and only because he had an uncle, a Jew (the only Jew at that time, by the way), who asked his guests to visit an unwary relative and help him. But Lot’s wife, who was so sad about the past that she turned to take a last look at the familiar house with her favorite crystal services, the Yugoslav wall and a carpet with deers, turned into a salt pillar. From this we can learn that if the Jews told you: “We must go,” then we must go and not think about what was left behind.
            25. pmkemcity 19 March 2020 11: 06 New
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              he had an uncle jew

              Where is that "uncle" ...
            26. Zeev Zeev 19 March 2020 11: 29 New
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              That uncle became the progenitor of the Jewish people. Abraham was his name.
              By the way, let me remind you of another old wisdom: "The exodus of the Jews - to the collapse of the empire."
            27. pmkemcity 19 March 2020 11: 30 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              By the way, let me remind you of another old wisdom:

              Rats flee from the ship.
            28. Zeev Zeev 19 March 2020 11: 45 New
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              In some cases, rats do not flee from the ship, but are controlled. And wise mice, having collected belongings and mice, quietly dump away. If you really want to, you can stay. Continue to believe that everything is good and flowing in the hold is not at all dangerous, and the captain himself, the old man, the cook and the boatswain (the same rats) have long lowered the boat and taken out of the galley stocks of rum and corned beef, leaving the team with worm crackers spoiled by sea water , will not affect you in any way. Of course, there is a chance that you will be fed by compassionate neighbors, as you have repeatedly done before, and about which you have safely forgotten, but I would not really hope so.
            29. pmkemcity 19 March 2020 11: 52 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              And wise mice, having collected belongings and mice, quietly dump away.

              Everyone chooses for themselves
              woman, religion, road.
              Serve the devil or the prophet -
              everyone chooses for himself.

              Caesar’s caesarean, and mice ...
            30. Zeev Zeev 19 March 2020 12: 08 New
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              Caesar - section laughing
            31. pmkemcity 19 March 2020 12: 10 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              Caesar - section

              Caesar’s life, but his mother, yes - section.
            32. Zeev Zeev 19 March 2020 12: 13 New
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              I advise you to ask about the appearance of the concept of "cesarean section". Purely so, for the overall development. And about the advice of the uncle of the Jew I advise you to think. Just not to Israel.
            33. pmkemcity 19 March 2020 12: 18 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              And about the advice of the uncle of the Jew I advise you to think. Just not to Israel.

              Well, where we (you) are not. hi
  2. indy424 22 March 2020 15: 43 New
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    aah, post-traumatic probably
  3. Insurgent 19 March 2020 00: 33 New
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    I strongly advise you to spend an evening reading books (or at least sites) about the history of Jews, the State of Israel, and to the heap of Russian history.

    Exactly ! Someone really needs to study the history of Russia ...
    Or, the fact that Catherine II, was a German on the Russian throne, "automatically" makes the Russian Empire - Prussia ???
    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    But in Russia, the Jews were after three sections three German monarchs The Commonwealth, the lands of present-day Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine.
  4. Zeev Zeev 19 March 2020 06: 48 New
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    The Commonwealth was divided between Prussia, Austria and Russia. In all these countries, the Germans ruled.
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    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    The Commonwealth was divided between Prussia, Austria and Russia. In all these countries, the Germans ruled.

    And therefore...
    Probably, if a Chinese becomes Prime Minister of Israel, then ... recourse
  6. Zeev Zeev 19 March 2020 07: 22 New
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    And therefore, the Commonwealth was divided between the three GERMAN monarchs.
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    And therefore, the Commonwealth was divided between the three GERMAN monarchs.

    fool
  8. indy424 22 March 2020 15: 43 New
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    when nothing else remains, continue to tell yourself tales about the Stalin-builder of Israel
  • ccsr 17 March 2020 12: 45 New
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    I will try to explain to you.

    Just do not explain it to those who faced this in the USSR:
    How relatives ruined the career of an outstanding designer.
    ...... The name of this chief designer was Israel Vulfovich Koifman (maybe the exact title of the post sounded different, but it doesn’t change the essence) and his age was between 50 and 60 years old at that time, but I don’t remember the exact age. I think that even now among Voronezh residents there will be people who knew him (or maybe he still knows) or will confirm that he was a fairly respected person in certain circles, who enjoys well-deserved authority in the development of promising communication systems. For ease of memorization in our team, his name was simply - "Izya", or "Voronezh Izya".
    Since the work lasted for more than one year, we got to know him well, and there were informal relations, where we managed to get to know him better. Izya was a very interesting person and knew his business well, and therefore work to create new technology was successful. But some Jewish sadness was present in his behavior and for a long time we could not understand whether it was his longing for unrequited love, or longing for his historical Motherland, until he himself told about his fate. And her tragedy was as follows .......

    http://zapravdu.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3093&start=390
    1. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 13: 33 New
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      Just do not explain it to those who faced this in the USSR:

      So who is the fault of the relatives or the terrible system that considered HUMAN to be its slave? And I had quite a few acquaintances who risked everything and even life to leave that country.
      1. ccsr 17 March 2020 13: 43 New
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        Quote: Vitaly Gusin

        So who is the fault of the relatives or the terrible system that considered HUMAN to be its slave?

        Just don’t pretend that you “didn’t understand” that the system gave him everything, but his relatives ruined this person’s career - this is obvious. By the way, Israel seems to have killed its own physicist who decided to escape - or was it not so?
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          Quote: ccsr
          Just don’t pretend that you “didn’t understand” that the system gave him everything, but his relatives ruined this person’s career - this is obvious.

          I understood, even that you did not write.
          And if the relatives of such a person want to leave TODAY will it be the same then?
          Well, where is your truth? And who is to blame? Relatives?
          Quote: ccsr
          By the way, Israel seems to have killed its own physicist who decided to escape - or was it not so?

          No, not so.
          Mordekhai Vanunu is an Israeli nuclear technician. In 1985, Vanunu, seeing his surname on the list for dismissal, carried a camera to the territory of the guarded facility and shot 57 frames of the secret compartments of the nuclear center in Dimona. And he published information about Israel’s nuclear program in the British press. Even before the London Sunday Times published an article about this, Mordecai Vanunu was abducted in 1986 by Mossad agents in Rome and sent to Israel. He was sentenced to 18 years in prison. of which he spent 11 years in strict isolation.
          What would they do to him in the USSR or in Russia?
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            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            And if the relatives of such a person want to leave TODAY will it be the same as then?

            So everyone who wanted to leave a long time ago - who are you asking about?
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Well, where is your truth? And who is to blame? Relatives?

            It is the greedy relatives who are to blame for the fact that the honored person did not take a worthy post - these were the rules in the USSR, and they must be observed, just as you observe your silly Saturday rules.
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            He was sentenced to 18 years in prison, of which he spent 11 years in strict isolation.

            Interestingly, is he still alive, or "accidentally" died?
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            What would they do to him in the USSR or in Russia?

            And you learn about the fate of Academician Sagdev, and then you will find out how they reacted in the USSR.
        2. indy424 23 March 2020 16: 26 New
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          tell us in more detail what the man’s name was (let’s be a physicist), who and when did he dunk him, with dates of names and links, you don’t just have a blizzard, right?
          1. ccsr 23 March 2020 18: 12 New
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            Quote: indy424
            tell us in more detail what the man’s name was (let there be a physicist),

            Here is this man:
            Mordechai Vanunu told the world about Israeli nuclear weapons, was stolen from Italy by Mossad agents, served 18 years in prison, was released and still cannot leave Israel or even speak with foreigners.

            Quote: indy424
            who and when soaked him,

            There is something here:
            In 2010, Dahi Khalfan Tamim, the head of the Dubai police, told a local newspaper correspondent that he was confident that Israeli agents were involved in the murder of Mahmoud al-Makhuh on January 20 at the hotel. “Mossad is behind this murder,” the police chief said. As already reported, the head of Hamas was eliminated by a battle group of 11 people who entered Dubai with passports of Western countries and left the country immediately after the attack. But not everything went smoothly. Local authorities examined the video control data at the hotel and were able to find out the identities of the militants, or rather, what was recorded in their passports. It turned out that the documents were fake, and the data contained in them belonged to people who emigrated to Israel from Western countries [49]. Similar assurance about Mossad’s involvement in this murder is held by Israeli journalist Yossi Melman [50].
            As a result of the arrest in August 2010 in Egypt of the 37-year-old businessman Tarik Abdel Razak Hussein Hassan, it became known that there was a large Mossad intelligence network in the Arab countries. In particular, thanks to the testimony of Hassan, a Syrian scientist involved in the development of the nuclear program was exposed and executed in November 2010 [51].

            For the rest - google to help.
            Quote: indy424
            You don’t just have a blizzard, right?

            Do you always pretend to be illiterate, or don’t know how you can find the facts you are interested in?
            1. indy424 23 March 2020 18: 25 New
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              you propose to carry a blizzard. The question is very simple. you insist that Israel "soaked" it. on what basis? where is what you posted? Why are you sending me to google? Vanunu lives and lives under house arrest. although in any normal country would sit a life
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                Vanunu lives and lives under house arrest. although in any normal country would sit a life

                So he can take the menu from the dining room, take his pass and the list from the phone book - that’s why he got what he deserved. But in fact, they slapped him a term for circling all the Israeli special services around his finger and fled abroad.
                Quote: indy424
                you insist that Israel "soaked" it. on what basis?

                You are lying because my text was not a statement:
                By the way, Israel sort of dunked his physicist

                Moreover, I repeatedly without authorization asked the author to clarify this:
                I wonder if he’s still alive or "accidentally" died?

                So you will demonstrate your thimble techniques at the bazaar in Haifa - there is your field of activity ....
  • lucul 17 March 2020 20: 36 New
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    I will try to explain to you. that for some reason you don’t roll out

    And about the red terror unleashed by yours you do not want to explain?
  • Albina Yakovleva_5 17 March 2020 11: 47 New
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    For cunning "Gussky" in the United States, I crap ... opened the little shops. hauled home-made jars of sauerkraut. sunflower seeds. mushrooms and called the "Russian store"
  • bobwings 17 March 2020 08: 57 New
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    That's because of people like you and went. Doctors, engineers, teachers ... hard workers who are cunning and who must be feared for some reason. And therefore not to accept in institutes, to beat at school, to spread rot at work. But now we have left and your life has become better, more fun.
    1. pmkemcity 17 March 2020 12: 51 New
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      But now we have left and your life has become better

      ... A Jew says goodbye, but does not leave. When already?
      1. lucul 17 March 2020 20: 40 New
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        A Jew says goodbye, but does not leave. When already?

        You are them at the door, and they are at the window ...
    2. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 13: 03 New
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      And the Rotenbergs Baumgerter Mueller Russian Germans they are allowed to steal?
      1. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 13: 38 New
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        Quote: Uncle Izya
        Rotenbergs

        Putin awarded Arkady Rotenberg the title of Hero of Labor
        Here you write, only with evidence and not just la-la-la laughing
      2. pmkemcity 18 March 2020 05: 35 New
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        Quote: Uncle Izya
        Russian Germans

        We will deal with the Germans ourselves:
        Leave: this is a dispute between the Slavs,
        Home, old dispute, weighted by fate,
        A question that you will not solve.
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          And I’m from Belarus, the city of the hero of Orsh, near the Russian border, so Pavel
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            And I’m from Belarus, the city of the hero Orsha, which is near the Russian border

            The Russian border is beyond the Vistula, and Belarus is not yours, but ours.
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        Quote: Uncle Izya
        And the Rotenbergs Baumgerter Mueller Russian Germans they are allowed to steal?

        “The military ran down the stairs, up, the servants were completely at a loss: either light all the candles, or wait until the dull and slow dawn of St. Petersburg took over. The barefoot and half-dressed Empress Maria Fedorovna ran out of the imperial bedroom and screamed with indestructible German accent:
        "I want to reign too!"
        What does this mean - the Germans can and the Jews can not? Mess! Who is the last in the kings?
    3. ccsr 17 March 2020 13: 48 New
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      But now we have left and your life has become better, more fun.

      You went for sausage, and not because you were treated badly in the USSR. By the way, Maria Arbatova, who had a Hindu husband, did not in vain say in one of the interviews that only fools went to Israel from Russia, the smart ones stayed here and achieved what they would never have had on the promised land. However, you may not believe me, but the Forbes list of Russian oligarchs confirms her words.
      1. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 14: 29 New
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        smart people stayed here and achieved what they never would have had on the promised land

        You're right to steal so much NOT POSSIBLE not in one camp of the world. But to achieve HONEST it’s a lot of labor ??????????????????????????????????????? ????
        1. ccsr 17 March 2020 20: 06 New
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          You are right, it is NOT POSSIBLE to steal so much in more than one camp in the world. But to achieve honest work is a lot?

          Did your orthodoxes ensure prosperity for Israel with their “honest labor”? Maybe all your well-being is based on what the Jews stole from other peoples and brought to Israel to avoid responsibility, as was the case with Gusinsky and other gop companies. Or you have a different version - maybe tell us something about kibbutzim how they became for you the “engine” of economic development ...
        2. lucul 17 March 2020 20: 41 New
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          You are right, it is NOT POSSIBLE to steal so much in more than one camp in the world.

          Because Russians are kind and gullible people .....
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            [quote = lucul] [quote]
            Because Russians are kind and gullible people ..... [/ quote]
            Good - yes. Trustful? ..,)) They cheat a lot more than in Israel,
      2. bobwings 17 March 2020 19: 16 New
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        You obviously have never been a Jew in the Soviet Union.
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          Quote: bobwings
          You obviously have never been a Jew in the Soviet Union.

          Naturally, I am a Russian person, but I know very well how the Soviet people lived in the USSR, so you can not tell me the tales that your fellow tribesmen pretend about that life.
          1. bobwings 18 March 2020 06: 57 New
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            You, as a random Russian anti-Semite, accustomed to living by slogans, have no idea what it was like to be a Jew in the USSR. Not everywhere, but in most republics, in particular in the RSFSR. I’m even sure that you had Jewish acquaintances, of those who were: “Yes, you are our Jew,” or “you are a good man, Yasha, even though a Jew.”
            What you call fairy tales, our people felt in their own skin ... since childhood, knowing what he can count on in this country, no matter what talents he has at the same time.
            And what a blessing that my children grow up as free people in their own country, reading about anti-Semitism and your people only in history textbooks.
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              Quote: bobwings
              You, as a random Russian anti-Semite, accustomed to living by slogans, have no idea what it was like to be a Jew in the USSR.

              They studied with me in the same class and I don’t remember at least some sort of domestic anti-Semitism against Jews in the sixties. The director of the school was Nodel Leonid Solomonovich, a respected person in the city, so there is no need to come up with an excuse for emigrating Jews to Israel because of anti-Semitism, especially since his two educated sons did not go there.
              Quote: bobwings
              I’m even sure that you had known Jews,.

              Actually, in my time, friends were chosen not by nationality, but by honesty and behavior. So one should not speculate on this issue, especially since at the household level in our country there were nicknames in a marginalized environment, but in general the educated part of the population - and this was the majority - did not fall before this, and tried not to focus on nationalities. I remember it well, although I won’t say that everything was fine with us in this matter. Only this issue has not been resolved in any country in the world - even in Switzerland.
              Quote: bobwings
              And what a blessing that my children grow up as free people in their own country, reading about anti-Semitism and your people only in history textbooks.

              I hope that this will remain throughout their lives, otherwise the example of the Boers in South Africa has shown that this can be all temporary, and then they will “suddenly” recall their roots in the USSR.
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      But now we have left and your life has become better, more fun.

      And there is . And you are at home and we feel good.
  • Olgovich 17 March 2020 09: 11 New
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    Quote: The same Lech
    These can ... people are cunning and smart ... you need to keep your eyes open to them

    worthy of respect, saved themselves as a people, collect it and protect.

    author:
    they were simply torn to where, in their opinion, they would have more life prospects, where they would be more satisfying, freer, more fun to live. In fact, people just wanted to dump from the "hated scoop." How much their dreams of paradise in the West afterwards embodied in reality - a topic for a completely different conversation.

    And this was so: in the class there were 40 percent of Jews, EVERYONE left, they live in Australia, the USA (the most popular destinations), Canada, but in Israel there were only a couple of people.

    All took place (mainly teachers, doctors, engineers, housewives): they live in abundance, everyone has families, already many grandchildren, and one already has a great-grandson ....
    1. Krasnodar 17 March 2020 12: 19 New
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      Are you from Balti?
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        Are you from Balti?

        no
        1. Krasnodar 17 March 2020 14: 12 New
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          I am from Chisinau
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            Quote: Krasnodar
            I am from Chisinau

            Countrymen! hi
  • Alexander Sosnitsky 17 March 2020 10: 41 New
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    We urgently need to let everyone go wherever they want in the superconducting semiconductor mode and there is no need to worry about the future. And even help in this matter. There was a chance, not fully used
  • Basil50 17 March 2020 11: 27 New
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    Here are either cunning or smart.
    The Jews, with the help of their state, wanted to be Nazis, and they succeeded. It is worth remembering about the atrocities that the Jews committed by destroying the Arabs in the Middle East.
    It is also worth remembering about the ideologists of Zionism and their plans for Jews in Europe (this is about the fact that the Zionists only need young fanatics, the elderly and too educated were almost declared garbage).
    It is worth remembering that the Zionists worked closely with the Nazis when they helped to make Chancellor of Hitler and when they fought against the English-French. Today, Israel is being held by the United States, a country in which there are more Nazi criminals hiding than in South America and England.
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      Especially destroying the Egyptian and Syrian divisions in the Sinai and the Golan Heights.
  • Egoza 17 March 2020 07: 05 New
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    The most "interesting" that the "poor oppressed" had quite sickly grandmothers to move.
    1. Rambam 17 March 2020 07: 11 New
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      "Dry" carries free
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      Quote: Egoza
      The most "interesting" that the "poor oppressed" had quite sickly grandmothers to move.

      grandmas to move. Yes, they were.
      I can give an example of my family. a family of general engineers so that the "grandmother" as they say, the chickens did not bite.
      tickets were paid by Israel. the family sold the grandfather’s newly built summer cottage for 14 thousand if I don’t make a mistake.
      these were the “grandmothers” who went to move to Moscow and lived there from February to April until departure to Budapest and then to Israel. the rest of the money was left by friends mourning.
      having flown to my historical homeland, my family and the families of almost all whom I knew were not much poorer than church, or rather synagogue mice.
      for information, every Jew, even if he had a bag of money at home, was allowed to take 400 American dollars with him.
      it was about 89-90 years.
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        for information, every Jew, even if he had a bag of money at home, was allowed to take 400 American dollars with him.

        And in 1990, we were “circumcised” $ 100 per person.
      2. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 08: 35 New
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        In the USSR, an engineer received less than a good turner of the 5-6th category
      3. Senior seaman 17 March 2020 09: 46 New
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        Quote: Maki Avellevich
        for information, every Jew, even if he had a bag of money at home, was allowed to take 400 American dollars with him.

        Perhaps this was the basis for the joke about the family of returnees, where even the cat had gold crowns ...
        in fact, sadly.
    3. Zeev Zeev 17 March 2020 08: 40 New
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      The move was at the expense of the Jewish Agency. The only thing that until 1991 it was necessary to pay 1000 rubles (then reduced to 800 rubles) for renouncing Soviet citizenship.
      1. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 08: 49 New
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        Yes, many would generally like in the United States if there was an opportunity, probably 70% would go there
        1. Zeev Zeev 17 March 2020 09: 00 New
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          I don’t know, all my relatives left for Israel, except for one family.
          1. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 09: 01 New
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            Well, would you leave for Canada if you had the opportunity?
            1. Zeev Zeev 17 March 2020 09: 02 New
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              No. There was an opportunity to go to Canada, I stayed in Israel.
        2. ccsr 17 March 2020 13: 00 New
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          Quote: Uncle Izya
          Yes, many would generally like in the United States if there was an opportunity, probably 70% would go there

          Not only in the USA - many do not imagine how many Jews settled in Germany among those who destroyed them in World War II, and without fear of anti-Semitism among Germans .. Moreover, the Germans took a lot of them to the "social network", and that was about 2-2,5 thousand Western marks at that time, and monthly until the end of life. Israel and the USA and nafig did not need any of them, because no country in the world gave them such a freebie. In general, I first remembered them as traders at our military towns, selling different trash that no one bought, and which they tried to vparit our people. But later, in 1992, I already saw how some of them became tenants of small outlets or shops in Berlin, and there they already sold Turkish and Chinese consumer goods, including leather goods from the Middle East. In general, they settled down in Germany forever, and they didn’t need any Great Israel - they are such "patriots" of the promised land. Now offer the Israelis such an option now, so those who have left us will all go to Germany permanently for permanent residence - I definitely have no doubt about that.
          1. Zeev Zeev 17 March 2020 13: 48 New
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            My second cousin lived in Germany for five years, while her husband worked there on a contract basis. She does not want to live in Germany, although there were very good conditions.
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              She does not want to live in Germany, although there were very good conditions.

              I also do not want to live in Germany, although I served there for almost years - how is your sister different in this case from others who do not want to live there?
              1. Zeev Zeev 17 March 2020 21: 50 New
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                The fact that she was always striving for her homeland, in Israel.
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                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  The fact that she was always striving for her homeland, in Israel.

                  I could also stay in Germany, some did so, but I would never trade my hungry Motherland for a full life in a foreign land. What is your sister’s “feat”, especially since she certainly wouldn’t have taken her to the “social network”?
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                    On a social network? What for does she need this?
  • Mavrikiy 17 March 2020 07: 07 New
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    Joke. All forgotten, here is the part:
    Nationality determines the future.
    Independent (no longer called another) is a position.
    A Jew is a visa.
    Russian is fate ....
    1. Insurgent 17 March 2020 07: 34 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Anecdote
      Independent (no longer called another) is a position.
      A Jew is a visa.
      Russian is fate .....


      Yes, and something, in the morning, I was "drawn" to jokes ... Probably I’ll laugh laughing

      Geography lesson in Ukrainian school.
      - Children! Let's play an interesting game. I will describe the nature of some people, and you will try to guess what kind of people it is. Good?
      - Good!

      - So, there are good people: sometimes they work, and the hospitable ones are a little bit, but if you drink, hide, because there will be trouble ...
      Mykola exclaims:
      - So it’s (forbidden by the rules of VO)!
      - Well, what else (forbidden by the rules of VO), Mikola, this people is called Russian ... But actually it’s correct! Sit down.

      Move on. They are economic, in everything they know the order and score, only here they are greedy to horror ...
      Mary jumps:
      - I know, I know (forbidden by the rules of VO) it!
      - No, (forbidden by VO rules) - they are called Jews. But actually correct! Sit down, Marichko.

      The last people. Household, kind, hospitable, their houses are small and pretty, whitewashed, as in a fairy tale. However, the owner will leave his house, look at the neighbor’s house and, gritting his teeth, will say: “And so that it burns down ...”
      In the classroom silence.
      “Well, what kind of people are these?” What do not know?

      Quiet voice from the last desk:
      - Ah, but we are drunkenly drunk! ...
      1. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 08: 37 New
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        A Jew is a visa.
        Russian is destiny ..
        And Romanian and Ukrainian are a profession
        1. Insurgent 17 March 2020 08: 39 New
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          Quote: Uncle Izya
          Russian is fate

          History knows examples when what is happening with the Russians, in Russia, became fateful for the world.
          1. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 08: 41 New
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            Yeah, just not for Russia itself if it weren’t for the Revolution and neutrality in the First World War, maybe the second would not have happened.
            1. Insurgent 17 March 2020 08: 47 New
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              Quote: Uncle Izya
              Yeah, just not for Russia itself if it weren’t for the Revolution and neutrality in the First World War, maybe the second would not have happened.

              "History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood"

              This phrase in relation to the context of a conversation with Emil Ludwig, a writer from Germany, was said by I.V. Stalin.

              The author of the statement "History does not suffer a subjunctive mood" is Heidelberg professor Karl Humpe. But in its wording only the meaning of the expression is captured, although it is spelled differently. In German, it looks like "Die Geschichte kennt kein Wenn". Literal translation allows you to get the expression "History does not know the word if."
              1. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 09: 02 New
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                Yes, it’s not important, it’s important not to repeat mistakes
                1. Insurgent 17 March 2020 09: 12 New
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                  Quote: Uncle Izya
                  Yes, it’s not important, it’s important not to repeat mistakes

                  This is yes, closer to reality.
                  Therefore, I am alarmed by a recent statement by Vladimir Putin:

                  "Russian President Vladimir Putin believes that if there is a threat similar to that which Russia confronted in the Great Patriotic War, the country will be able to repulse it again. He said this in an interview with TASS, answering a question about the likelihood of a world war."

                  Quote: V.V. Putin
                  “We lost 27 million people. And if someone dares to do something like this, we will repeat ... Whoever comes to us with a sword will die from the sword ”


                  If by “repetition” is meant the course of the Second World War, in which the Red Army had to roll back with enormous losses to Moscow and the Volga, if the price of 27 lives was “laid” by it as acceptable losses, then the president should receive additional clarifications ...
        2. AU Ivanov. 17 March 2020 10: 13 New
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          And a Jewish wife is not a luxury, but a means of transportation.
          "Instead of Razliv station
          He went to Tel Aviv
          That’s what the absent-minded husband of Sarah Moses "
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            And a Jewish wife is not a luxury, but a means of transportation.
            "Instead of Razliv station
            He went to Tel Aviv
            That’s what the absent-minded husband of Sarah Moses "

            good laughing
        3. Mavrikiy 17 March 2020 11: 41 New
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          Quote: Uncle Izya
          And Romanian and Ukrainian are a profession

          Not exactly, you have a purely small town ....
          The Pole is a profession.
          A Ukrainian is a position, (in the army it’s a balabol and a sneak, often a political officer)
    2. atalef 17 March 2020 10: 45 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      A Jew is a visa.
      Russian is fate ....

      What is so much Russian doing here?
      Ask Maza - about his fate?
      laughing
  • rocket757 17 March 2020 07: 12 New
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    Is this a topic for discussion ???
  • Plantagenet 17 March 2020 07: 18 New
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    “Truman spoke directly about what bothered his employees - the Soviet Union uses the Jewish state to penetrate the region.
    “This will not happen,” Weizmann replied. - If the Soviets wanted to use Jewish emigration to spread their ideas, they could have done it for a long time. But people come to us who run away from communism. The prosperous peasants and skilled workers strive for a high standard of living, impossible under communism. Communism can only spread in the illiterate and impoverished sections of society. ”

    Leonid Mlechin “Why did Stalin create Israel?”
    1. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 09: 03 New
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      Yes, in Israel, and Bunin was
  • GRIGORIY76 17 March 2020 07: 27 New
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    Well done, the Jews rebuilt such a country in the desert. Then Putin somehow stuttered that in Poland, 30 Jews wanted to send to Madagascar. I’m sure that they would rebuild it.
    1. Insurgent 17 March 2020 07: 54 New
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      Quote: GRIGORIY76
      Putin somehow stuttered that in Poland they wanted to send 30 Jews to Madagascar. I’m sure that they would rebuild it.

      Think what you write!

      The whole "journey to Madagascar", for those unfortunate people, would end in flooded barges, in the coastal Baltic waters ...
      1. Krasnodar 17 March 2020 12: 29 New
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        Quite possible
    2. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 09: 06 New
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      To be honest, by the end of the 80s, Israel was on the brink of an abyss. Jews from the USSR saved it economic and demographic
  • Mikhail Drabkin 17 March 2020 07: 45 New
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    They said one thing, but each had its own reasons.
    From greed to sincere Zionism, from herd feelings to self-expression, from anti-Semitism to adventure, from love to the future of children, from not forgiving yourself the lost opportunity to leave broken families ... from religious feelings to national pride and self-awareness.

    When departure became a fairly visible phenomenon, the concept of "preparing specialists for the main opponent", the true and bloated boundaries of professional growth ...

    In 1991 - 1992 it was a bloated fear of "Memory."

    But I always think that the factor was the feeling of dichotomy inherent in incompletely assimilated Jews in the Diaspora, the Scattering: Soviet man and Jew ... or American and Jew (and even Jew ...), Pole and Jew.
    But, as the Latvian major in the OVIR said, “There is only one homeland!” “
    Dzimtene ir tikai viena!
  • Boris55 17 March 2020 08: 01 New
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    Quote: A. Kharaluzhny
    ... about fish and people. They are looking for where deeper, they are looking for where it is better ...

    In Soviet times, there was a good saying: "Think about the Motherland before, and then about yourself." These people think only of themselves because they have no homeland.

    1. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 08: 37 New
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      Quote: Boris55
      In Soviet times, there was a good saying: "Think about the Motherland before, and then about yourself." These people think only of themselves because they have no homeland.

      You have to be precise if you have already decided to write
      Not a proverb but a song
      Komsomol tradition
      Music: O. Feltsman !!!!! Words: I. Shaferan !!!!!
      Ever since the Budennovsky people gathered horses,
      And to our today, to space days
      There is a good tradition in the Komsomol family:
      Think about the Motherland before, and then about yourself.
      1 No Komsomol members and no tradition.
      2 More recently, I wrote about this.
      I will repeat it for you personally.
      In Israel, a lot of Russian songs have been translated into Hebrew, but they don’t know a song with the words "BEFORE THINK ABOUT MOTHERLAND, AND BECAUSE ABOUT YOURSELF". And so think BEFORE PEOPLE, and accordingly the people think about the country!
    2. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 08: 38 New
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      Do you think about your homeland? Well, my Russian classmate has been living in the United States for 20 years and loves homeland from a lobule
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      Apart from the Charlie Hebdo cartoons, it’s hard to imagine a more vile number.
  • bober1982 17 March 2020 08: 14 New
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    The permission to leave Jews to Israel was a mistake of the Soviet leadership - they themselves did not expect that emigration would be massive, which ultimately led to the undermining of Soviet national politics.
    Although there was no other option - under Brezhnev, a course was taken towards peaceful coexistence with the West, they did not want to quarrel with them, and the Soviet Union exerted very strong external pressure.
    1. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 08: 47 New
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      Not a mistake, it was necessary to let go of the county massively anyway; all the same, everyone would not have left for Israel; life wasn’t sweet there were 60-80s war attacks
      1. Andrey VOV 17 March 2020 08: 57 New
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        Yes, and now, in order to live a normal life, you need to work well, and if for all sorts of benefits, you should leave, the meaning is to leave, the same thing, only warmer and they are Jews around
        1. Uncle Izya 17 March 2020 09: 00 New
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          Yes, Jews work more than you in Israel 10-14 hours a day work
          1. Andrey VOV 17 March 2020 10: 30 New
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            and what can I say, it’s right that they work. And the Arabs, that only tea is sitting in these territories ... in 2007 was the first time in Israel .. the contrast struck when we moved with an excursion to the Arabian territory, there’s a lot of dirt on the street, well I won’t believe that such dirt is because Israel is strangling Arabs))). A classmate left there at 96 in my opinion ... and then she’s a Russian, she has a lot of relatives there ... so she started with an au pair , apartments are soap. windows, and now the chief accountant in a large company is very luxurious, apartments in Netanya are close to the sea, which is what now plows like a horse .. and my husband didn’t take root, I didn’t really learn the language, all sorts of benefits, part-time jobs as a result got divorced and he went back to Russia .. and then, as a result, stupidly drunk
    2. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 08: 57 New
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      Quote: bober1982
      they themselves did not expect that emigration would be massive, which ultimately led to the undermining of Soviet national politics.

      The smallest of history
      In Tsarist Russia, 5 million lived in the Pale of Settlement. Jews.
      2 mill lived in the USSR. Jews.
      In modern Russia, with a population of about 140 mill. 140 thousand Jews live.
      AND THEY ARE GUILT IN EVERYTHING NEGATIVE WHAT HAPPENS IN RUSSIA (according to so many comments on VO)
      1. bober1982 17 March 2020 09: 13 New
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        A very powerful movement of “refuseniks” arose, which gave an impetus to the intensification of the dissident movement. And, as a result, the unspoken oppression of Jews, those who did not leave, began. All this did not fit into the Soviet national policy, in any case, declared.
      2. lucul 17 March 2020 20: 52 New
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        The smallest of history
        In Tsarist Russia, 5 million lived in the Pale of Settlement. Jews.
        2 mill lived in the USSR. Jews.
        In modern Russia, with a population of about 140 mill. 140 thousand Jews live.

        I beg you, much more, much.
        Only in Minsk, in 1939 - every second resident was a Jew ..
      3. pmkemcity 18 March 2020 09: 08 New
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        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        The smallest of history
        In Tsarist Russia, 5 million lived in the Pale of Settlement. Jews.
        2 mill lived in the USSR. Jews.
        In modern Russia, with a population of about 140 mill. 140 thousand Jews live.
        AND THEY ARE GUILT IN EVERYTHING NEGATIVE WHAT HAPPENS IN RUSSIA (according to so many comments on VO)

        From Kuriles to the Carpathians
        Jew is a friend and brother:
        After all, the sovei people
        Strong Jewish breed.
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
    3. ccsr 17 March 2020 13: 16 New
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      Quote: bober1982
      The permission to leave Jews to Israel was a mistake of the Soviet leadership - they themselves did not expect that emigration would be massive, which ultimately led to the undermining of Soviet national politics.

      On the contrary, it was a big mistake not to help them in this emigration, naturally limiting the departure of secret carriers for ten years, depending on the level of admission. Firstly, we would get rid of the fifth column, which showed itself in the nineties, secondly, no one in the world would point fingers at us, and thirdly, they themselves would continue to stay away from secret developments, i.e. those who are no worse than them are engaged in this, fourthly, our "artistic elite" would have disappeared from television screens and from scenes, fifthly, we could have influenced Israeli politics through them if there had been 40-50 percent of them. There are also sixth, seventh ... and nth.
      In a word, our party leaders froze a lot of nonsense, and this came back to us during the collapse of the USSR - no one will hide that a huge role in those events was played by those who just did not leave for Israel during the CPSU, but made a lot of efforts to break up the country.
      1. bober1982 17 March 2020 13: 27 New
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        Quote: ccsr
        On the contrary, it was a big mistake not to help them in this emigration, naturally limiting

        They, and so very much helped, and at the same time greatly restricting travel, including.
        This decision was influenced by the breakdown of diplomatic relations with Israel, but they considered that there would be no mass exodus, what they miscalculated. In the West - praised, the Arab world - tensed.
        1. ccsr 17 March 2020 13: 40 New
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          Quote: bober1982
          They, and so very much helped,

          If they really helped, then it was necessary to organize the Odessa-Haifa flight, with a one-way ticket, and everyone who wants to leave to wave their hand at farewell, rubbing a tear of joy ....
      2. bobwings 18 March 2020 07: 10 New
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        But in the states no one oppressed them, they were able to fly into space, pilot fighters, command cruisers and calmly engage in scientific research. They didn’t want to emigrate, they helped their country become a world power, where half the world seeks.
        And the question is, why did Dunaevsky, Fradkin, Raikin, Ranevskaya, Kobzon and many other Jews from the art beau monde of those years so interfere with you? Or do you just have a pathology, intolerance of a sort?
        1. ccsr 18 March 2020 12: 11 New
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          Quote: bobwings
          But in the states no one oppressed them, they were able to fly into space, pilot fighters, command cruisers and calmly engage in scientific research.

          So no one oppressed us - look at the list of statesmen, starting with Kaganovich and the lists of order bearers, and you will see that many Jews have reached the highest posts in the state.
          Quote: bobwings
          They didn’t want to emigrate, they helped their country become a world power, where half the world seeks.

          Naturally, American Jews are not so stupid as to abandon their well-fed life for the idea of ​​"Greater Israel", which is why they helped with money so that other Jews would go there, especially from those who suffered in World War II.
          Quote: bobwings
          And I have a question: what did Dunaevsky, Fradkin, Raikin, Ranevskaya, Kobzon, and many other Jews from the art beau monde of those years so disturb you?

          I believe that these best people just had to go to Israel to raise its culture to the world level, and not to the level of "7-40", but for some reason they did not want to do this. Probably again what worked in the "mysterious soul" - you probably will find an explanation for yourself.

          Quote: bobwings
          Or do you just have a pathology, intolerance of a sort?

          Actually, I laugh at your self-confidence, because you imagined that you aren’t smarter in the world, and you don’t take into account that there is a comedy “For every sage is quite simple,” the essence of which we understood long before the Jews appeared in Russia.
          1. bobwings 20 March 2020 17: 25 New
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            It was a short period from 17 to about 48 years. After that, the Jews were completely ousted from government and decision-making centers. All who achieved something and the USSR, did it in those years.
            During the years of their complete equality and freedom of choice, Soviet Jews were one of the most devoted to the country as a whole and to the ideas of communism in particular, a layer of the population. For the most part, they did not seek emigration and saw their homeland in the country.
            American Jews are faithful to their country for exactly the same reasons. Of the last three commanders of the US Air Force, 2 are Jews. In the post-war USSR and Russia, this is unthinkable.
            To the topic of the best people in Israel ... nobody let them go there.
            Who exactly imagines himself smarter than everyone in the world? I have not heard such a thing from a single Jew, but only from an anti-Semitic whining riffraff, hiding her complexes under obsolete slogans about the notorious selectivity or the supramental.
            1. ccsr 20 March 2020 18: 53 New
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              Quote: bobwings
              It was a short period from 17 to about 48 years.

              You have reduced the term too much - even after that they held high positions in government bodies. And only in the seventies, for a known reason, they began to check for relatives in Israel.
              Quote: bobwings
              American Jews are faithful to their country for exactly the same reasons.

              Soviet Jews apparently did not suffer from this, since they began to demand departure to Israel.

              Quote: bobwings
              Who exactly imagines himself smarter than everyone in the world?

              Read at your leisure:
              Alexander Solzhenitsyn "Two hundred years together."
              1. bobwings 20 March 2020 20: 58 New
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                You still Zion wise men, Mine Kampf or treatise on witches read. I read this libel of the offended, talented perverting and dragging my ears facts to fit into a supposedly neutral concept, and in the case of terry anti-Semite. The part about the rear Jews was especially amused ... tell this to my Jewish deceased grandfathers and grandmother who ate land in trenches and medical battalions.
                There were no Jews in power after the war, with the exception of several generals like Kreiser and Dragunsky, and the business executive Dymshits, and he was from the old guard.
                This repeating mantra about selectivity is only heard from anti-Semites, look at least at this site ... but I have never heard from Jews.
                After all, pathology is like when you believe in something very strongly, you turn the whole world upside down, you bring any fact to your worldview, whatever you say, the Jews are to blame anyway. Apparently you still think they are smarter than yourself.
                1. ccsr 21 March 2020 14: 32 New
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                  Quote: bobwings
                  I read this libel of the offended, talented perverted and attracted by the ears facts

                  How easy it is to see your true face - you just need to remind about the idol of our dissidents, and that's all, the mask immediately slept.
                  Quote: bobwings
                  There were no Jews in power after the war, with the exception of a few generals

                  You are lying because your compatriots keep records of all Jews who held high government posts in the USSR, and there you will find a refutation of your words - for example
                  Volodarsky, Kotlyar, Raevsky.
                  Quote: bobwings
                  Pathology is like,

                  No way - look at your "Great Israel", and you will understand that the pathological faith in it gave nothing to those who fled from the USSR.
                  Quote: bobwings
                  Apparently you still think they are smarter than yourself.

                  Well, it’s not dumber than them, that’s for sure - you had to deal with them too much to understand this. By the way, here I described acquaintance with one of them at work - you can read about it.
  • Andrey VOV 17 March 2020 08: 25 New
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    There is a pretty good novel regarding emigration to the 70s, Lubojid.
  • Cottodraton 17 March 2020 08: 35 New
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    One thing attracts them - a freebie! It’s good to sniff here and, until you put them in, settle somewhere (and why not there?).
    Then you can sing about thieves and the "atmosphere of hopelessness" (which they themselves organized, but this is particular).
    Just the other day, I read verses of one such borosopisator in Zen ... I was just discussing "about the incredibly bright atmosphere, the air of freedom and joyful bright faces" ... There, of course!)))
    1. Andrey VOV 17 March 2020 08: 56 New
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      No matter where, but there is no freebie in Israel in principle ... there was a long history, two Polish Jews stole money from themselves like a pyramid of mmm well and shed in Israel, the money put everything there, well, and then decided in the United States or Canada and accordingly denyuzhku withdraw and they immediately clap nice people .. where? and remembered where the choice came from, either you live here like this, or go to jail or please go, but without money
      1. Cottodraton 17 March 2020 19: 14 New
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        And the emigrants do not even know this ... there the gentlemen Black also got fines. However, this does not reverse the trend.
    2. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 09: 40 New
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      Quote: Cottodraton
      "about the incredibly bright atmosphere, the breathtaking air of freedom and joyful bright faces" ... There, of course!

      You can see)))))
    3. Vitaly gusin 18 March 2020 08: 52 New
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      Quote: Cottodraton
      One thing attracts them - a freebie!

      In recent years, the number of Russians who have sought asylum in Israel has risen sharply. Between January and September 2019, asylum requests were submitted 3010 person. In 2018, there were 2772 such requests. In 2017 - 635. In 2016 - 395. In 2015 - 14. In 2013 - 1.
      In 2009-2012, the Russians did not file not a single asylum request.
      And what draws them to Israel?
      Understand yourself first. And the Jews in Israel will figure it out for themselves.
      1. ccsr 18 March 2020 12: 25 New
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        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        In recent years, the number of Russians who have sought asylum in Israel has risen sharply.

        Because in Russia criminal proceedings have been instituted against many of them, so they are molting you, because this is not France, for example, which may even extradite the former financier of the Moscow Region.
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        From January to September 2019, 3010 people applied for asylum.

        Have you tried to compare with the nineties?
        By the way, how many have returned - "announce the entire list" (c).

        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        And what draws them to Israel?

        Well, certainly not anti-Semitism in Russia ....
        1. Vitaly gusin 18 March 2020 14: 30 New
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          Quote: ccsr
          Because in Russia criminal proceedings have been instituted against many of them,


          And what kind of things they could have been with them, that they must be so tormented. All the same, not one of them received permission And he was expelled from the country.
          Quote: ccsr
          Have you tried to compare with the nineties?

          Nineties, what century? Be serious.
          Quote: ccsr
          because it’s not France, for example, which may even extradite the former financier of the Moscow Region.

          It may issue, or may not issue, and the list has already been issued where you can see.
          Quote: ccsr
          By the way, how many have returned - "announce the entire list

          Since the beginning of 1990, about 800 thousand arrived from the USSR and Russia.
          About 80 thousand returned to the countries of the former USSR. One of the reasons why it is so difficult to give an accurate assessment is that many of them are businessmen living in two countries. In addition, many often visit Israel - even after they moved to live abroad.
          Quote: ccsr
          Well, certainly not anti-Semitism in Russia ....

          There is definitely no state one, but about the household looking at many posts is in doubt.
          According to the Jewish Agency (“Sokhnut”), the number of immigrants from Russia to Israel in the first half of 2019 increased by 73% and amounted to 11 people. This is 882% more than the figures for the same period last year.
          As far as I am aware, there are two main reasons.
          Economic, for people of low and medium incomes.,
          The desire to get an Israeli passport was earlier given after a year of residence, but now right away. It is used by the more wealthy when creating a "backup airfield" for themselves, their families, their businesses and their capital.
          .
          1. ccsr 18 March 2020 18: 35 New
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            And what kind of things they could have been with them, that they must be so tormented. All the same, not one of them received permission And was expelled from the country.

            It seems so to you:
            Khodorkovsky’s accomplice Leonid Nevzlin has already been sentenced to life imprisonment and is hiding in Israel, Lurie recalled.
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Nineties, what century? Be serious.

            The past is serious.
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            It may issue, or may not issue, and the list has already been issued where you can see.

            If you wish, you yourself will find:
            Every year, from 15 to 20 Russian citizens are deported from Spain, who are sought in their homeland. DW found out in which cases the Spanish authorities satisfy Russian extradition requests, and in which they do not.
            https://www.dw.com/ru/почему-испания-не-стала-надежным-укрытием-для-преступников-из-россии/a-50141912
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin

            Since the beginning of 1990, about 800 thousand arrived from the USSR and Russia.

            Your previous numbers look somehow pale against this background, taking into account those who returned back:
            3010 people applied for asylum.

            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            The desire to get an Israeli passport was earlier given after a year of residence, but now right away.

            This explains your whole "gain" - there are problems due to sanctions against Russia, and some of them also want to get an Israeli passport in order to later settle in Europe. So we don’t need to argue about the fact that Russian Jews simply dream of living in Israel - "neme bad", as they say in Ukraine. It’s just that Russian Jews turned out to be much more cunning than yours, that’s why they are using your citizenship for their mercantile purposes, and yours, they’ll hang noodles on your ears so that others don’t run back.
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              https://www.dw.com/ru/почему-испания-не-стала-надежным-укрытием-для-преступников-из-россии/a-50141912

              Every year from Spain expelled from 15 to 20 citizens Russia, which is wanted at home.
              20 = 3010 it can only be according to Rosstat. (From January to September 2019, 3010 people applied for asylum)
              Quote: ccsr
              some want an Israeli passport to settle in Europe later

              Israel in the first half of 2019 increased by 73% and amounted to 11 thousand 882 people.
              Almost 12 thousand, are these some?
              Quote: ccsr
              and your Dry noodles hangs on your ears,

              Have you met Jews who can hang noodles on their ears? Reading and watching the media of your country, everyone sees that the noodles are very firmly glued to the people and they continue to glue it.
              1. ccsr 19 March 2020 09: 54 New
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                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                Israel in the first half of 2019 increased by 73% and amounted to 11 thousand 882 people.

                These are statistics on documents, but where they really live and how to use an Israeli passport, they will not report to you.
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                Have you met Jews who can hang noodles on their ears?

                Great Israel - such noodles were hanged by all the Jews of the world so that it still hangs. True, Russian Jews have not believed in this for a long time - they are only forced to travel for a number of reasons.
                1. Vitaly gusin 19 March 2020 10: 36 New
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                  These are statistics on documents, but where they really live and how to use an Israeli passport, they will not report to you.

                  Everyone who has obtained citizenship has the right under the Law on Return, which was adopted by the Knesset in 1950, to repatriate to Israel.
                  Where he will live, with whom he will live, how he will live THIS IS HIS PERSONAL BUSINESS.
                  Quote: ccsr
                  Great Israel - such noodles were hanged by all the Jews of the world so that it still hangs. True, Russian Jews have not believed in this for a long time - they are only forced to travel for a number of reasons.

                  I wrote about noodles and am not going to come back to this anymore.
                  ABOUT BELIEVE OR DO NOT BELIEVE:
                  Who believes in Mohammed
                  Who is in Allah, who is in Jesus,
                  Who doesn't believe in anything
                  Even to hell, to spite everyone.
                  And about forcedly, I also wrote.
                  Crimea, sanctions, Syria, the weakening ruble, yes, the same media noodles, games with the constitution do not add joy and confidence in today and tomorrow.
                  1. ccsr 19 March 2020 12: 21 New
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                    Where he will live, with whom he will live, how he will live IT IS HIS PERSONAL AFFAIR.

                    So I tell you, do not roll your lips, these people are not going to live in Israel, they just need a passport, with which they will then move on.
                    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                    Crimea, sanctions, Syria, weakening ruble, yes, yes

                    We have heard these Caruso repercussions performed by Rabinovich more than once, but you do not lose hope that they are enthusiastic about it. True, we live in a different world about which you have naive ideas related to isolation from our reality. By the way, recently the Israelis came to us again to order several pairs of corrective glasses - they are of high quality and cheaper than in Israel, when they come to Russia, they immediately run to Optics. Since they even save on this and do not want to contact their ophthalmologists, this tells me a lot about the quality of life as well.
                    1. Vitaly gusin 19 March 2020 14: 59 New
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                      Quote: ccsr
                      these people are not going to live in Israel, they just need a passport, with which they will then move on.

                      And I wrote about this:
                      "Use it more wealthy creating "dispersal field" for yourself, your family, your business and your capital. "
                      But today, the situation is already changing.
                      In New York, at the Israeli embassy, ​​Israelis are standing to record their children who were born in the United States, the Israelis and urgently with the problem of coronovirus leave the United States.
                      God grant that in Russia this does not occur.
                      Quote: ccsr
                      they are of high quality and cheaper than in Israel,

                      About quality, it is possible, yes, and maybe not, but it’s cheaper for sure, and there is a simple economic explanation for this, people have already arrived and if there is an opportunity to buy cheaper, why not buy.
                      Just an example, if RAY-BAN company glasses cost 700-800 NIS in Israel =
                      190-217 $ in Russia it is approximately 7000-8000 rubles =86 $ -100 $ Even if you are an oligarch, you also buy two pairs for the same price.
                      Quote: ccsr
                      and they don’t want to contact their ophthalmologists.

                      And you don’t have to mess with them. In none of the stores in Israel, you will not be sold until the optometrist checks your eyesight on the spot.
                      If you want to write about Israel, read more
                      1. ccsr 19 March 2020 18: 59 New
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                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        Even if you are an oligarch, you also buy two pairs for the same price.

                        They will go out of fashion next season, so only greedy for cheapness makes stocks.
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        And you don’t have to mess with them. In none of the stores in Israel, you will not be sold until the optometrist checks your eyesight on the spot.

                        We have a slightly different approach: first they look at what the doctor wrote out, and then the optometrist or the doctor, after a computer check, starts selecting points manually.
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        If you want to write about Israel, read more

                        God forbid - it’s enough for me that you impose your idea of ​​life in Israel in detail. Although I have several friends who settled in Israel, and one of them did not study Hebrew, I grew up with her in the same yard.
                      2. Vitaly gusin 19 March 2020 22: 41 New
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        They will go out of fashion next season, so only greedy for cheapness makes stocks.

                        This is what you wrote:
                        Quote: ccsr
                        By the way, the Israelis have recently come to us to order themselves several pairs of corrective points

                        These are not $ 10 sunglasses that change in fashion.
                        Quote: ccsr
                        We have a slightly different approach - first they look that the doctor

                        About 20 years ago and we had it.
                        Quote: ccsr
                        God forbid - it’s enough for me that you impose your idea of ​​life in Israel in detail.

                        Only the information, whether you like it or not is up to you, but nothing will change in Israel from your decision.
                        Quote: ccsr
                        and one of them did not study Hebrew

                        Yes, many who repatriated at the age of 50+ did not cope with this.
                        For them there is a radio, tv and sites in Russian.
                        https://www.zahav.ru/
                        https://www.9tv.co.il/,
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                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        This is what you wrote:

                        So you didn’t understand that they stock up from greed, not thinking how they will look in them in one or two seasons.
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        These are not $ 10 sunglasses that change in fashion.

                        You are clearly off topic - decent sunglasses never cost that much.

                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        About 20 years ago and we had it.

                        Here I am about that - you hack in everything, but at the same time love to betray the gullible public that you have all the best in the world. Just don’t tell me how to work with old people when they pick up glasses - you just don’t give a damn about them, but we carefully treat their eyesight, and so we work the old fashioned way.

                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        Only the information, whether you like it or not is up to you, but nothing will change in Israel from your decision.

                        And we don’t change anything from the opinion of the next “Ber Lazar” either - for us you are all the same “sausages”, and you will remain in the eyes of those who have seen your entire epic with emigration since 1968.
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        Yes, many who repatriated at the age of 50+ did not cope with this.
                        For them there is a radio, tv and sites in Russian.

                        I know all this - your citizens often come to paternal houses, and just want to see the place where they lived with their parents for many years, especially since some have left their graves here. And they do not hesitate to talk about your life, especially since mature people sometimes understand what mistake they made.
  • Cottodraton 19 March 2020 08: 47 New
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    Why should I deal with any cunning, lazy rags? You taught them how to play, and you understand. This is your 5th column with the Americans, which you have fostered for 20 years ...
    "Are we responsible for those we tamed" or not?)
  • Boozer 17 March 2020 08: 39 New
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    ! For me personally. Well left ... So what?
  • nikvic46 17 March 2020 09: 11 New
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    Right now, only a few people leave for political reasons. Yes, and that is not every year. But as luck would have it, the borders are closed. Those who are not accustomed to living an ordinary life have tensed. And I think they have strained to the very top. Besides those we see from TV, there is a lot of servants who live much better than the average person. The near future will put many in their places.
  • surfdude 17 March 2020 09: 41 New
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    But now they are so scrolled with the "invisible" F-35 harasho ... With a whistle and squatting winked

    That’s for sure, all the repatriates from the former Union were scrolled, they promised it to everyone according to F35, immediately after the Betrayal of the Homeland, and as always, the vile Zionist regime of the aggressor-capitalists, under the auspices of star-striped dances, showed its vile essence and did not give anything!
  • Jarserge 17 March 2020 11: 34 New
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    Friends went to Israel. We traveled just in time with a scandal, how they blamed the country ..... We lived in Israel, as soon as the children came to serve, they dumped them in Canada. Patriots.
  • A. Privalov 17 March 2020 12: 19 New
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    To the authorities: “Show effort,
    As soon as possible
    Return the Jews to Russia,
    Bring back the Jews of Russia!

    Call until it's too late
    In Russian, il in Hebrew.
    Return us the "Masons"
    And return all the "Zionists".

    Even if they are in Haiti
    And they turned black skin.
    "Cosmopolitans" return
    The poisoning doctors, too ...

    Bring back scientists, poets,
    Artists, magicians of laughter.
    And explain to everyone at the same time -
    From now on, they are not a hindrance.

    On the contrary, we have no one else
    To drag Russia out of the swamp.
    What to them, with their Jewish head,
    We have enough work for everyone.

    When will Russia rise
    With their help, it will become omnipotent,
    Then we can, like the wound,
    Save Russia from the Jews. ”
    1. iouris 17 March 2020 18: 09 New
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      It is unlikely that all the "big hopes" from the USSR were strongly believers. In the end, the atheistic USSR was formed with such an overactive participation of Jews that some episodes border on the genocide of the Russian people. In any case, in the early USSR, the Russian people were considered, in general, as an inert mass, an internal colony, due to the robbery of which ultra-fast industrialization was carried out, the rise of the "national outskirts", German Nazism was destroyed. The theoretical foundations for the party’s attitude towards the Russian people were laid by the founders of Marxism-Leninism. So Marx and Engels regarded the Russian peasantry as the basis of the reactionary policies pursued by tsarism in Europe, in particular, Russia's participation in the suppression of bourgeois revolutions in European countries. Lenin’s expression is known that the Russian people are as great as the great muzzle. The USSR was not a Russian state. The atheistic USSR stood at the origins of the state of Israel, which strangely arose on the basis of one Avramic creed. The “anti-Semitism” in the USSR was fanned in many ways by the visionary cryptosionists who created from Jews a close-knit hostile group within the USSR. The reasons for Stalin's anti-Semitism are distorted, and the possible (grave) consequences of his policy for the Jews are very exaggerated. But we remember that Jews left the USSR according to the order of the Zionists. First of all, qualified specialists needed in Israel left, at the same time weakened, and sometimes bled some areas in the USSR, in which Jews occupied very strong positions. Yes, everyday anti-Semitism was in the USSR, as was Russophobia, and other "... phobias." This can be explained by the low level of culture and remnants of the past. There were no economic reasons. Normal Soviet people did not consider the nationality of a person as something defining. What does it entail? Of great importance is the very possibility of "repatriation." For non-Jews, this is not possible.
      1. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 19: 26 New
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        Quote: iouris
        But we remember that Jews left the USSR according to the order of the Zionists

        Kindly, more about this in more detail.
        Quote: iouris

        Yes, everyday anti-Semitism was in the USSR,

        And I do not agree with this, it was state-owned, but the household has replaced it now, it can be surprised here too.
        Quote: iouris
        This can be explained by the low level of culture and remnants of the past. There were no economic reasons.

        Each had its own reasons; in the 90s there were economic ones.
    2. sniperino 18 March 2020 08: 44 New
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      Quote: A. Privalov
      When will Russia rise
      With their help, will become omnipotent

      Russia rebelled without the help of those who left. And it doesn’t matter what nationality they are, for almost all of them imagined themselves smarter than those that remained. And the harm from them was, in any case, no less than from the latter, and the benefits - no more.
    3. Vitaly gusin 18 March 2020 09: 04 New
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      When will Russia rise
      With their help, it will become omnipotent,

      Leonid Grach asked Putin to facilitate the return to Russia from Israel of 40 thousand Crimean Jews who emigrated over the past 20 years.
      The Crimean communist claims that the Jews who emigrated “to save their lives” now want to work for the good of Russia. laughing
      1. A. Privalov 18 March 2020 09: 57 New
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        Yes, five years ago he managed to blurt out such a thing. Something during this time was not visible crowds of Jews storming the embassy of the Russian Federation in Israel with a demand to return them back. lol
        1. iouris 18 March 2020 11: 55 New
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          there were no crowds of Jews storming the Russian embassy in Israel demanding that they be returned.

          Maybe they returned in a quiet, organized manner?
          1. A. Privalov 18 March 2020 12: 06 New
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            Maybe they returned in a quiet, organized manner?


            Israel is not holding anyone back. All are free in their choice. People always left and came. Statistically, this is perfectly visible in each annual report on Independence Day and no one makes any secrets from this. But the tens of thousands who have gone secret from all the wise zhurnalyug who even recognize the color of cowards from those whom they write about? Yes, and in your area would have been trumpeted at all angles, and shown on the zombie, and interviewed “lucky escaped from the Zionist hell,” and they would tell what fears and hardships they suffered there, and how happy they are now, and personally grateful .... etc. laughing
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              and they would interview "the lucky ones escaped from the Zionist hell", and they would tell what fears and hardships they had suffered there, and how happy they are now, and are grateful personally .... etc.

              But this was actually in 70 years
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                But this was actually in 70 years

                Of course it was.
      2. ccsr 18 March 2020 12: 31 New
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        Leonid Grach asked Putin to facilitate the return to Russia from Israel of 40 thousand Crimean Jews who emigrated over the past 20 years.

        As soon as it smelled fried, some repatriates immediately remembered about their historic homeland of the USSR, putting in Grach’s mouth what they had long dreamed of since Stalin’s time. But the trick will not work - the creation of the Jewish Autonomous Republic of Crimea is apparently not included in the plans of our leaders, no matter how Grach asked them. But they can count on a quiet life in the Crimea, though, as the Crimean Tatars, they are not compensated for their resettlement, they left without violence.
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    But now they are so scrolled with the "invisible" F-35 harasho ... With a whistle and squatting winked

    Note for free .. laughing
  • Shahno 17 March 2020 13: 45 New
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    // First of all, for the creative intelligentsia mentioned above, the "open spaces" of Israel for the flight of their creative thoughts turned out to be too narrow.
    Of course. It’s not a paradise .. For the technical “intelligentsia” there are no less opportunities than in the states.
  • iouris 17 March 2020 14: 21 New
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    Yakov Kedmi said everything: the USSR was robbed.
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      Jacob Kedmi

      And who else is that?
  • Old26 17 March 2020 18: 25 New
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    For cunning "Gussky" in the United States, I crap ... opened the little shops. hauled home-made jars of sauerkraut. sunflower seeds. mushrooms and called the "Russian store"

    In vain you are shitting. I have a classmate (Russian) in the mid-late 90s left for the United States, and then settled in Canada. And he still goes to such a “Russian” or “Ukrainian” store, to buy products, at least in taste, similar to those to which he is accustomed. In the "Ukrainian" store he buys lard, in the "Russian" one you are right, mushrooms and sauerkraut, because in Canadian stores there is nothing he is used to.

    Quote: bobwings
    That's because of people like you and went. Doctors, engineers, teachers ... hard workers who are cunning and who must be feared for some reason. And therefore not to accept in institutes, to beat at school, to spread rot at work. But now we have left and your life has become better, more fun.

    As for the fact that they didn’t accept institutions, I won’t say that it was absolutely true. Not at all - I agree. I had a classmate, Odessa. He was refused admission to Simferopol University (I don’t know the reasons), and he entered Novocherkassk without any problems. True, the completion of his studies was not entirely successful, but by and large it was his own fault. And about the spread of grievances at work, not everything is so simple.

    Mother was a deputy. Director (EMNIP) of Odessa Food Trade, father - also deputy director, but EMNIP in a sailor. The wealth in the family was “above the roof”, but first took up farce, then switched to speculating in currency. As a result, the institute barely finished, and there were relationships at work not really. He left for the USA because of his relationship, incl. and at work. Then there were rumors that he had returned. His other Jewish friends (at the institute) graduated from it, some with honors, began to work, and in good "offices". So here it most likely depended on the person himself, and not on whether he was a Jew or not a Jew. From his inner culture, if you want.
    One more example. Two people worked at the department: a guy from Chechnya (laboratory assistant) and Georgians (training master). So from them I heard the words addressed to their fellow countrymen:
    "Guys! There are people here who don’t understand our language. Let's either speak Russian or come out." And no matter who he is: a Jew, a Georgian, or a Chechen. This only speaks of their culture.
    1. Vitaly gusin 17 March 2020 19: 18 New
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      As for the fact that they didn’t accept institutions, I won’t say that it was absolutely true.

      I fully support you. Yes, they did, but there were quantity restrictions by nationality.
      I studied in Belarus, half of the group was from Ukraine, there was no chance to enter.
      Quote: Old26
      in "Russian" - you're right, mushrooms and sauerkraut,

      Yes, sometimes from a hunt and under a snack, sausage is also tastier, but fat is rubber, friends from Belarus bring it.
      Quote: Old26
      "Guys! There are people here who don’t understand our language. Let's either speak Russian or come out."

      We have a Levantine mentality, everyone speaks his own language, but if you need everything to participate then in Hebrew, in the army only in Hebrew.
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      Quote: Old26
      As for the fact that they didn’t accept institutions, I won’t say that it was absolutely true.

      What are you talking about - we have two cadets who received the first form of admission and had access to cryptography, ZAS and a bunch of top-secret documents, and at the same time were ethnic Jews. Both graduated as lieutenant engineers, one of them ended his service in Moscow as the head of a military mission on one of Parkov Streets with the rank of lieutenant colonel - the position was simply not colonel, and he would have received a papakha.
      1. iouris 18 March 2020 12: 03 New
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        Maybe they didn’t accept anyone: the institutes were also different. Counterintelligence then still worked. Citizens were “lenses” (Komsomol, party, official characteristics). The questionnaires contained items about relatives who were 1) captured, 2) under occupation, 3) abroad ... Of course, they were checked, although there were no computers. Totalitarianism ...
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    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: Old26
    As for the fact that they didn’t accept institutions, I won’t say that it was absolutely true.

    What are you talking about - we have two cadets who received the first form of admission and had access to cryptography, ZAS and a bunch of top-secret documents, and at the same time were ethnic Jews. Both graduated as lieutenant engineers, one of them ended his service in Moscow as the head of a military mission on one of Parkov Streets with the rank of lieutenant colonel - the position was simply not colonel, and he would have received a papakha.

    Comrad !! Have you carefully read my post? I wrote in response to the phrase that the Jews had problems with admission to universities, that this is not absolute truth. Some accepted, others not. I don’t know the reasons, but my teammate at the institute did not (could not) enter the Simferopol University, while he entered the Novocherkassk NPI, gaining 23 or 24 points in 4 exams plus a certificate mark.
    And the fact that the Jews also had their first forms - I personally have no doubt at all. In "parallel" with our design bureau there were 3 or 4 of them. One was the head of the department, which included several departments, 2 or 3 others were the heads of departments.
  • Kushka 18 March 2020 19: 18 New
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    As you know, the Creator created the world in 6 days, including birds, animals.
    And man - according to the model and likeness! And then ONE person decides - who can,
    and who can’t go somewhere there! It means a deer, a wolf, you can walk from the Czech Republic
    via Germany to Belarus. Swans, geese, even small hummingbirds (God's!)
    - fly over thousands of miles. by their own business. But HE decided - it’s impossible, iron
    curtain to you (even if you are a million) How is it? WHO is WHO at all? I do not know how it is
    to call-marasmus, the Godlessness, the pride of ONE?
    Doge should not talk about this - man is a higher being on earth and can
    move around the planet without asking anyone.
  • Iris 19 March 2020 01: 12 New
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    If all the repatriates were attracted by the Western Wall in Jerusalem, then they would not end up in New York ..
    Yes, there really were many. We drove “for a better life”, to which we had every right, like every person on the planet. They would gladly tell the truth if they did not know firmly that lying is the only way to leave.
    As for those who, having the opportunity to leave for the States, nevertheless left for Israel, among them there were just a lot of Zionists, albeit not religious in their masses. In the 60s, Israel was far from being the country that today meets repatriates with all kinds of social support. They were traveling to a country that had just defended its own life, ahead of which there were new wars. It was a poor (not to say poor) living socialist country in which roads cut through the rocks in the rocks, forests appeared in the desert place, arable land in the place of swamps, and vineyards in the place of bare hills. They still carried land in sands with baskets, had not yet completely defeated malaria .. They had to work for three, and to live (if in a kibbutz) - in a prefabricated house or even in a tent, and at any time to be ready to pick up a rifle.
    But what is a better life? For some, this is a calm, comfortable and comfortable existence. For someone - self-realization, fame, recognition. And for some it’s an opportunity to protect and transform YOUR land, and raise YOUR flag on it, knowing that no one will ever dare to tell you that you are “from a nation of traders and money-lenders”.
    Like any people on Earth, Jews are very different. But - as far as I know the Israelis - in Soviet times, most of them went there precisely. And precisely in this, and in nothing else, the secret of their success on all fronts.
    1. Vitaly gusin 19 March 2020 10: 54 New
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      And precisely in this, and in nothing else, the secret of their success on all fronts.

      It is very rare to come across such a deep understanding of what was happening and is happening.
      1. Iris 20 March 2020 10: 05 New
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        It’s hard to work, remembering well where the weapons room is, and treating soldiers as reverently as in Israel - is this not true “military” patriotism? The recent history of Israel, its current role in the BV, is, to put it mildly, underestimated - we would study, and by the way, recognize achievements and merit in fairness, but no. Russian compatriots - participants in the forum - prefer to recall old grievances and carry fierce nonsense. This reaction causes bewilderment, irritation and a sense of injustice.
        I allow myself to express a subjective opinion - that those leaving the Union could freely choose their country of residence turned out to be a great blessing for Israel.
        Even if only 20 of the 19 who left left went to the States, and only one to Israel - this one was worth the rest: he knew exactly where he was going and wanted to be there.
  • pmkemcity 19 March 2020 05: 04 New
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    they are firmly convinced that the people with the highest number of Heroes of the Soviet Union per capita during the Second World War were sitting in the rear.

    You look at Russia 24. There is a tape with the names of those who did not sit out in the rear. This is the “percentage” due to which the Jewish diaspora survived.
    1. Vitaly gusin 19 March 2020 11: 18 New
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      Quote: pmkemcity
      You look at Russia 24. There is a tape with the names of those who did not sit out in the rear. This is the “percentage” due to which the Jewish diaspora survived.

      Sorry, but you're probably only a writer and not a reader
      FOR YOU PERSONALLY REPEAT WHAT I ALREADY WRITTEN
      I will try to explain to you. that for some reason you don’t roll out or it’s more convenient for you to look for the enemy
      Soon 75 years of the Great Victory.
      And I will give examples of who made TOGETHER with all the people a significant contribution to this Victory.
      Vannikov Boris Lvovich
      .Three times Hero of Socialist Labor (1942, 1949, 1954),
      - Laureate of two State Prizes of the USSR (1951, 1953),
      Since July 1941 - Deputy People's Commissar of Arms of the USSR, and then People's Commissar
      ammunition of the USSR.
      In 1954, for the creation of a hydrogen bomb, he was awarded the third Golden
      Stars under number. 1
      Design and construction of colossal workshops
      within 6-8 months they managed to organize the military-industrial complex
      together with the people's commissar of construction Semyon Zakharovich Ginzburg his
      assistants Veniamin Dymshits and Abram Zavenyagin.
      Major General Chaim Rubinchik, becoming director of a shipyard
      "Red Sormovo" on the Volga, managed to turn it into a tank and to the end
      war release 10000 T-34 tanks
      Artillery factories were led by: Lev Honor
      (Barricade factory, Boris Fratkin (Kalinin factory), Yakov Shifrin (Voroshilov factory), Abram Bykhovsky (Motovilikha factory)
      Twice Hero of Socialist Labor, five-time Stalin Prize laureate constructor
      [b] Nudelman
      - creator of the famous aircraft gun N-37
      The artillery installation SU-122 was designed under the guidance of Lev
      Izrailevich Gorlitsky.

      Hero of social labor, winner of the Lenin and Stalin Prizes. Constructor of the fastest fighters of World War II La-5, La-7 and La-9 Semen Moiseevich Lavochkin.
      Lavochkin’s first deputy was Mikhail Leontyevich Miles, become
      subsequently the general designer of many Soviet helicopters. Of
      design bureau Lavochkin and Semen A. Kosberg. Since 1958 he
      worked for Korolev, created engines for rockets of the 3rd stage.
      This is not a complete list.
      In the ranks of the Red Army fought more 500 thousand Jews 167 thousand of them were officers and 350 thousand privates. More than 200 thousand Jewish soldiers and officers died in battles.
      The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded 157 thousand Jews. In terms of 100 thousand of the Jewish population, this is 6,83 Heroes. In front, only Russian Heroes 7.66
      And together with other VICTORY HEROES, we say THANKS to them!
      1. pmkemcity 19 March 2020 11: 20 New
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        THANKS to them!
        1. Vitaly gusin 19 March 2020 12: 51 New
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          Quote: pmkemcity
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          THANKS to them!

          And not just them, ALL WHO SAVED THE WORLD FROM THIS UNCLEANITY!
          1. pmkemcity 19 March 2020 12: 55 New
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            THIS UNCLEAN!

            The heads of this Hydra grow from one body. To chop - not to chop. Not only for my life is enough, but my son and grandchildren will get it.
      2. brat07 21 March 2020 00: 17 New
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        The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded 157 thousand Jews.

        Sorry, but with the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union you were mistaken by three orders of magnitude.
        And in terms of numbers, they were in fourth place after the Ukrainians and Belarusians. hi
        1. Vitaly gusin 21 March 2020 08: 43 New
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          Quote: brat07
          Sorry, but with the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union you were mistaken by three orders of magnitude.

          Sorry but with THREE you were mistaken by orders, if you replace them with units and tens, then perhaps in different literature you will find different numbers, where more and where less, but this does not change the essence.
          Quote: brat07
          And in terms of numbers, they were in fourth place after the Ukrainians and Belarusians.

          My mistake.
          1. ccsr 21 March 2020 14: 42 New
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            Sorry, but with THREE orders you were mistaken, if you replace with units and tens, then perhaps in different literature you will find different numbers, where more and where less, but this does not change the essence.

            It looks like you got bad grades at a math school because you still don't know that one order is 10 times, and three orders is 1000 times. Your text :
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded 157 thousand Jews.

            This is a lie, because according to historical data there were:
            Jews - Heroes of the Soviet Union
            The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded to 157 Jewish soldiers, three Jews - the Air Force Head of the Red Army general-leit Smushkevich, general-regiment. tank. Dragoon troops and Marshal of armored vehicles. Katukov troops - received this title twice, another 14 became full holders of the Order of Glory, which was equivalent to the title of Hero.

            Jews in the Red Army during the Second World War.

            So you rightly noticed that you have increased their number by 1000 times, and this is a blatant lie that you are trying to drive into the heads of those who do not know the history of the Second World War.
          2. brat07 21 March 2020 15: 31 New
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            Sorry, but with THREE orders you were mistaken, if you replace with units and tens, then perhaps in different literature you will find different numbers, where more and where less, but this does not change the essence.

            Wildly, I apologize, but minus you from me. No comments. hi
  • Vitaly gusin 21 March 2020 15: 47 New
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    The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded 157 thousand Jews.

    OF COURSE YOU'RE RIGHT
    To blame my mistake is NOT noticed what
  • seacap 22 March 2020 17: 56 New
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    Well your eyes were bugging, which was bathed - now squeeze, want to climb out

    The military budget, manning, armament, retraining, even many developments from the pocket of overseas taxpayers, i.e. and the account of amers, so it doesn’t matter to them what to order and what to operate, this is without taking into account technologies that have been saved from the Union and saved not a billion, and not only them, have not been "raked" yet