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Ural-4320: guns and armor

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Ural-4320: guns and armor
About a year ago, similar "Syrian" "Urals" were shown in Yekaterinburg. Source: tiberius66.livejournal.com


Advantages of Ural


Probably, on the second step in terms of lethality after the Grad, Damba and Prima multiple launch rocket systems, the Urals occupy the ZU-23-2 automatic cannons installed in the back. For the first time, they spoke of the need for their appearance in Afghanistan, and a real flowering awaited them during the conflict in the Chechen Republic. Moreover, it was the bonnet Ural that was better suited for this purpose than any other equipment. Firstly, the layout with the driver's cab behind the front axle, in contrast to the KAMAZ, gave a considerable advantage when undermining under the front wheel. Secondly, the mass of the “Urals” made it possible to withstand the recoil from continuous volleys of a twin 23 mm artillery mount at any angle to the longitudinal axis of the vehicle. ZIL-131 was also converted into home-made gantraki, but due to its smaller size and weight it was inferior to Ural in universality of use.


"Ural" with ZU-23-2, May 2000, Khankala. Source: otvaga2004.ru

Usually ZU-23-2 was removed from the wheel drive and mounted in the truck body by forces of military repair units. This modification of the "Urals" was not a full-time in the Russian army. However, due to lack of tanks and other armored vehicles to escort convoys to protect military commandant's offices, it was these improvised self-propelled artillery installations that were singled out. Local battles in communications have become a real problem for regular military units around the world, and Russia is no exception. In the Chechen wars, up to 40-60% of personnel and military equipment were involved precisely in the fight against militants on the routes of movement of numerous columns. Typically, security equipment (tanks, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles) moved in the convoy every 5-10 vehicles, given the high traffic, such specialized equipment was not enough. Therefore, as a support, the Urals were poisoned with anti-aircraft installations in the cargo compartment - they were often the only armed vehicles in convoys of 5-10 transports.








Terrible "Urals" from Khankala. Source: otvaga2004.ru

Gantraki, by the way, inflicted not only heavy damage to the enemy with their hurricane fire, but also acted as a psychological weapons. Usually a couple of three volleys of ZU-23-2 towards the enemy was enough for the bandit to leave their positions. The advantage of such mobile gun mounts was the relatively low cost and high firepower, exceeding that of the APCs and BMPs. At the same time, despite the absence of a serious reservation, statistics on losses spoke of the high efficiency of such machines. This was largely due to the fact that anti-aircraft guns could work on targets at a fairly serious distance from the enemy and it was difficult to conduct targeted return fire with small arms. At the same time, if the enemy approached the distance of conducting aimed fire from a machine gun or rifle, in most cases he was destroyed by the calculation of ZU-23-2. (It is no coincidence that in the very near future in the Russian army there will be factory dumbbells based on the Urals and KamAZ trucks - the decision to adopt such equipment was made on the basis of Syrian combat experience.) Here an excellent "anti-material" effect of a 23 mm gun was opened, allowing an avalanche of shells to destroy various shahidmobili, jeep-gantraki and other improvised technique of terrorists.








Gantraki CVO with a female crew. Source: andrei-bt.livejournal.com


This gantrack serves in Belarus. Source: gruzovikpress.ru


And this one will soon become operational in the Russian army. Source: flickr.com

Since the time of Afghanistan, the main requirement for the construction of Ural-gantraks has been the installation of a twin gun so that the angle of fire in the rear hemisphere is at least 180 degrees. In the front of the body, about a third of its length, was a van with a tarpaulin open at the back. It stored tools, spare parts, duffel bags, ammunition and mattresses for recreational personnel. The crew usually consisted of a commander, a driver and two to three crew numbers. Of course, such a mobile gun mount open to all winds required at least local booking. To do this, in front of the body was protected by thick steel sheets or, if there was such an opportunity, hatches or fragments of armor of broken equipment. Also used were bulletproof vests hung on the seatbacks and in front of the shooter. The sides of the body were also tried to be strengthened with steel sheets, thick boards, sandbags, and sometimes even scraps of rails.

Ural changes engine


After describing the artillery installations on the basis of the Ural airborne vehicles, it is worth returning to the beginning of the 90s, when a motor plant burned down in Naberezhnye Chelny and a conveyor stood up in Miass due to a lack of power units. As mentioned in previous parts of the cycle, UralAZ engineers decided to install a YaMZ-236M2 diesel engine under the hood. This engine was a V-shaped 6-cylinder and 30 liter. from. was weaker than its predecessor from KamAZ. At the same time, due to the size of the engine, the air filter did not fit into the engine compartment of the Urals and had to be carried out onto the right wing - this was a characteristic difference between new cars with an index of 4320-10. The power-to-weight ratio of such machines naturally decreased, and as an alternative, trucks began to equip YaMZ-8M15 with 238-cylinder 2-liter diesel engines with a capacity of 240 liters. from. The motor was larger than the KamAZ-740; under its dimensions, the nose of the Urals had to be extended, which somewhat changed the initial harmonious appearance of the car. From that moment on, all the cars of the 4320 family acquired a characteristic elongated engine hood, for which they deservedly earned the nickname “Crocodiles”.




The characteristic elongated nose "Ural" received in the early 90's. Source: drive2.ru










Several photo sketches from modern UralAZ from Denis Shumin. Sources: drive2.ru

The six-cylinder YaMZ engine perfectly approached the new lightweight modification “Ural-43206”, from which one rear axle was stopped. This truck, which began life on the assembly line in 1996, was intended for the border troops and was supposed to replace the aging GAZ-66. The biaxial Ural is a dynamic machine (speed up to 85 km / h), which is characterized by relatively high efficiency and costs the military budget less money. However, the removal of the axis made it possible to place in the body no more than 4,2 tons, which, however, was quite enough for the border guards.

Ural wears armor


Ural, as one of the most warring trucks of the Soviet Army, was the first to try on a reservation. This happened during the fighting in Afghanistan and included the protection of the vital components of the machine: cab, body, engine compartment and fuel tanks. At first, local repair units were connected to this, but later the armor was already mounted in Miass itself, at 21 research institutes and a number of other nearby military factories.


Armored Ural. 2002, Chechen Republic. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru




Another pair of armored Urals. Source: otvaga2004.ru


A vivid example of the sustainability of the “Urals” to undermines. The crew is alive. Source: otvaga2004.ru

The reservation logic of the Urals, developed in Afghanistan, did not undergo any special changes during the first Chechen war - they also locally reserved individual elements of the car. But since August 1999, with the start of the second campaign, the situation has changed. Now the "Urals" of the internal troops and the Ministry of Defense defended in a new way. Typical was the full reservation of the hood and cab with the installation of small bulletproof glass blocks instead of the standard windshield. An armored box opened from above was installed in the body with loopholes from the BTR-60PB, often protected in the third or fourth booking class. Entrance and exit from such an armored module was carried out through aft swing doors, and an open roof made it possible to fire above the sides. It is noteworthy that the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation was much more serious about booking the Urals than in the army.






Source: Military Vehicles

Firstly, the cabin was fully armored and often equipped with a commander's sunroof. At the same time, the armor was thicker (up to the fifth booking level) than in army vehicles. How could this be explained? Internal troops could not boast of the presence of heavy armored vehicles, and there were often problems with light ones. And sometimes it was necessary to fight along with army units with a well-trained and equipped enemy. That is why the internal troops were much more attentive to the reservation of wheeled vehicles. Of course, this ultimately negatively affected the resource of the heavy Urals, but the effectiveness of such decisions was repeatedly proved in combat conditions. Not always in the process of booking the “Urals” the heat balance of motors was taken into account, which, locked in a thick armored box, often overheated and prematurely failed. In addition to thicker armor, the protected modules in the bodies of the “Urals” of the internal troops were equipped with armored double-glazed windows.






A sample of the modern armored version of the Urals. The name of the car plunges into a stupor - Ural-4320-0010-31 DKZ. Photo: Vitaliy Kuzmin. www.vitalykuzmin.net

















Federal-93. Photo: Vitaliy Kuzmin. www.vitalykuzmin.net







Ural Federal-42590. Photo: Vitaliy Kuzmin. www.vitalykuzmin.net

In army versions of the protected Urals, priority could be given not to thick armor, but to the preservation of carrying capacity, since the Urals were involved in the transportation of ammunition and other military equipment. In general, during the second Chechen campaign, “Urals” made real armored personnel carriers, which are much cheaper than traditional ones, and also have undeniable advantages: the ability to carry personnel quite comfortably, high mobility, versatility and carrying capacity. The quintessential relatively inexpensive armored car was the modern Ural Federal-42590 and Federal 93. At the other extreme, the explosion-proof Typhoon-U is at a cost. In the modern Russian army comes the understanding of the need to book most wheeled vehicles, and the Ural family is in the lead here.

To be continued ...
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  1. Andy
    Andy 18 March 2020 18: 14 New
    +22
    Eugene, thanks for the interesting series of articles. waiting for continuation
  2. Amateur
    Amateur 18 March 2020 18: 30 New
    -11
    It seems to me alone that these pepelats are most reminiscent of the famous Odessa tanks "NI". So now it’s not a war. What are these ersatz for?
    1. Azis
      Azis 18 March 2020 19: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Amateur
      So now it’s not a war. What are these ersatz for?
      But what if? And we are ready! In fact, ZUshki became the back of the Urals, or, in the economic way, put iron boxes in the First Chechen because it was necessary to drive, but the armor wasn’t, or it was for other tasks. To the Second, some enterprises have already fussed, the "boxes" have become more like armored capsules, even the cabs have been booked. We called them "Pokemon" (hez, why ...). Yesterday I saw the National Guards in the Urals with a double cabin, also with an armored capsule under an awning, only the cabin seemed to be without armor - there were no loopholes.
    2. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 18 March 2020 19: 11 New
      -4
      Money rules the world, these ersatz help save them, the rest matters little
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 18 March 2020 19: 58 New
        +12
        Quote: Chaldon48
        these ersatz help save them

        Except for the life and health of the military. If you consider, no savings, rather the opposite.
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 18 March 2020 21: 02 New
          -3
          After all, another option is possible:
          I'd rather go with such an ersatz than without him at all.
          In Syria, probably once again convinced of this.
          Although I am considering the option of a greater orientation to export, just as a cart for the poor. And the adoption of the Armed Forces in the RF Armed Forces a certain PR move to give seriousness to the project
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 18 March 2020 21: 09 New
            +14
            Quote: Mitroha
            I'd rather go with such an ersatz than without him at all.

            And what prevents to apply, for example. BTR-82A? With a 30 mm gun, with stabilized weapons, with normal sighting day / night?
            1. Mitroha
              Mitroha 18 March 2020 21: 16 New
              +3
              If available, nothing.
              But in their absence ....
              And then, finding four people on this "pepelats" is much easier than the crew of the armored personnel carrier. Training is not required in practice. This is me about urgent mobilization
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 18 March 2020 21: 18 New
                +4
                Quote: Mitroha
                If available, nothing.

                They are in the troops.

                Quote: Mitroha
                And then, finding four people on this "pepelats" is much easier than the crew of the armored personnel carrier. No practical training required

                ??
                On the ZU-23-2 ???
                1. Mitroha
                  Mitroha 18 March 2020 21: 24 New
                  +1
                  What exactly surprised you so much?
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 18 March 2020 21: 28 New
                    +7
                    ZU-23-2 is a difficult thing to learn.
                    1. Mitroha
                      Mitroha 18 March 2020 21: 30 New
                      +1
                      I get it. Sorry for the incorrect expression of thought. It means relatively not required
              2. alexmach
                alexmach 18 March 2020 21: 42 New
                +5
                And what prevents to apply, for example. BTR-82A?

                If available, nothing.

                there are at least 80 of them, and the production and conversion of the BTR from the availability continues.
                1. Mitroha
                  Mitroha 18 March 2020 21: 49 New
                  +1
                  This is not in dispute, but it is interesting to understand how the MO is guided by putting these machines in series. Maybe they thought that if the enemy had drones, the armor would be priority targets, and such trucks would attract less attention. Or with an eye on export
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 18 March 2020 22: 18 New
                    +1
                    it’s interesting to understand how the MO is guided by putting these machines in a series

                    As for me, such a decision is difficult to understand.
                    The only thing that in my opinion really has at least some sense is these very “Feds”, maybe even with more modern “Typhoons”.
                  2. Azis
                    Azis 18 March 2020 22: 22 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Mitroha
                    trucks will attract less attention
                    It is for the transportation of personnel in a more / less secure transport. In BTR / MTLB so many people + any boxes you will not cram
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 18 March 2020 23: 33 New
                      +1
                      With transportation, something else is clear. But with the "carts"?
        2. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 19 March 2020 02: 13 New
          0
          When was a soldier's life a value?
        3. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 20 March 2020 20: 03 New
          0
          For those who make decisions at the top, such as "Send, don’t send, start active actions, don’t start", a soldier is a consumable item, nothing more.
    3. Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Obi-Wan Kenobi 19 March 2020 07: 29 New
      +6
      It seems to me alone that these pepelats are most reminiscent of the famous Odessa tanks "NI". So now it’s not a war. What are these ersatz for?

      I support! +++++++
      Yes, I understand that the army needs armored trucks. Still, the 21st century in the yard and personnel must be protected.
      But after all, these anti-aircraft guns were put in the back of the Urals from hopelessness, no more.
      Now there are all kinds of armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, etc. Or are they not in our army?
      Therefore, we will continue to put in the body of 2 anti-aircraft gunners, who sitting in this open body actually become suicide bombers.
      The author, or maybe this "Ural" is primarily a mobile anti-aircraft gun, and only then everything else? Well, you have to write!
      Why such things to any bandits, cartels, etc. This is clear.
      But why do I need these ghanaian-truck-shmaki-tanks, which have no analogues in the world, in the most modern, equipped with the latest technology, weekly setting records on the Zvezda TV channel of the Russian Army, I personally do not understand.
      Or, as usual - "There is no money, but you hold on!"
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 19 March 2020 09: 11 New
        0
        I support! +++++++

        And look how many minuses slapped me for this koment. I’m just wondering what some co-site owners are guided by when expressing their negative opinions.
        1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
          Obi-Wan Kenobi 19 March 2020 09: 21 New
          +3
          To be honest, I have already stopped paying attention to the minuses.
          Don't give a damn.
          Basically guided by a complete lack of brains, and therefore the ability to think.
          But there are pathological fools or just ideological.
        2. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 20 March 2020 15: 33 New
          0
          Erzats-tank is an ersatz-tank, and a gantra is a separate military equipment with its own tasks and, as a result, features. Read here on TW an article about American dumbbells in Vietnam, how and why they appeared, for what purposes and tasks they were used. And you will immediately have no questions about why there should be a gantrack instead of an armored personnel carrier or an infantry fighting vehicle.
          1. Amateur
            Amateur 20 March 2020 15: 40 New
            0
            article about american gantraki

            And since when did the tactics of the American army in the fight against semi-partisan armed groups armed with only small arms be a model? Did they defeat someone in Afghanistan without aviation and carpet bombing? sad
            1. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 20 March 2020 15: 53 New
              0
              That's why I say
              Quote: Ded_Mazay
              Read an article here on TW about American dumbbells in Vietnam ...
              .
              A gantrack is not an Erazts-BTR or an Erasz-BMP, it is a machine for guarding the communications of troops, where practice shows. An armored personnel carrier and infantry fighting vehicles will not be enough.
      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 19 March 2020 10: 24 New
        +5
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        But after all, these anti-aircraft guns were put in the back of the Urals from hopelessness, no more.

        These pieces are manufactured wherever military operations are being carried out (Afghanistan, Chechnya, Syria, etc.), and since there is a constant need for them, then they should not be made in the war zone, but in a factory where they will do much it’s better from the materials you need, and not from what is at hand.
        1. ycuce234-san
          ycuce234-san 20 March 2020 21: 05 New
          0
          "... in a factory where it will be done much better and from the materials that are needed, and not from what is at hand"
          It is strange that factories are not trying to develop such equipment on the basis of a tractor and a tractor self-propelled chassis. Car speed and maneuverability are not so important here, but the necessary and important unpretentiousness, lifting capacity, maneuverability, a large resource and engine power reserve are already available.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 20 March 2020 21: 52 New
            -1
            Quote: ycuce234-san
            Car speed and maneuverability are not so important here, but the necessary and important unpretentiousness, load capacity,

            That is, those who assemble this technique on their own do not really know what they need?
            1. ycuce234-san
              ycuce234-san 21 March 2020 01: 04 New
              +1
              They know. But those who assemble this equipment on their own (do-it-yourselfers) act in a force majeure situation and use what they have at their disposal - and this is usually automotive equipment. On the other hand, with thoughtful leisurely design and factory design it is not clear what exactly the tractor chassis does not suit the designers. Structurally, as a type of chassis, tracked tractors and wheeled ones with a breaking frame, closer to tracked and wheeled armored vehicles than to cars and tractor units have already passed to a harsh practical selection for suitability for work in difficult conditions.
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 21 March 2020 09: 58 New
                +3
                Quote: ycuce234-san
                what exactly does the tractor chassis not suit

                Tractor chassis, as a rule, are created at low speed, but great traction, Neither one nor the other high-speed gun is needed. But the speed and many hours of movement in the column is very much in demand. The rapid-firing gun in the back of the car is not for the advanced, but mainly to protect the convoy from shelling from ambushes.




                1. ycuce234-san
                  ycuce234-san 21 March 2020 18: 54 New
                  0
                  Racing tractors knock down to 121 km / h on virgin snow ... so it’s quite possible, if you want to have some extreme fun, catch partisans on the ground in Toyota, quad, snowmobiles and enduro and arrest not for partisans but for lack of rights and malicious speeding and lack of permits for weapons: Al Capone, then, sat down not for mafiosi but for tax evasion smile .

                  [media = https: //www.aregion.ru/avtomobilnye_stati/samyj_bystryj_traktor_v_mire/]
    4. Tankist_1980
      Tankist_1980 19 March 2020 11: 12 New
      -1
      Yes. It seems to you alone.
    5. Po-tzan
      Po-tzan 19 March 2020 14: 20 New
      -3
      Quote: Amateur
      It seems to me alone that these pepelats are most reminiscent of the famous Odessa tanks "NI". So now it’s not a war. What are these ersatz for?


      There is no money for the T-14 and Boomerangs, so the trucks are sheathed with armored plates.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 19 March 2020 21: 38 New
        0
        But there is a lot of money for MPI and you don’t need it: for the price of one tank (4.5 megabytes) you can rivet 20 MPs on the basis of a heavy eight-wheeled Kamaz (4.5 million rubles apiece).
        1. Po-tzan
          Po-tzan 20 March 2020 10: 48 New
          0
          Obviously, even for this there is no money.
  3. BREAKTHROUGH READY
    BREAKTHROUGH READY 18 March 2020 18: 34 New
    +9
    Exarz tachanka, a weapon for the poor rebels, who does not belong in the regular army.
    It is incomprehensible to the mind, as in a country with practically bottomless (80-90s) reserves of guns there wasn’t enough normal military equipment for Afghanistan and Chechnya.
    1. knn54
      knn54 18 March 2020 19: 32 New
      +2
      Against jihad mobiles just right.
    2. lwxx
      lwxx 18 March 2020 19: 54 New
      +7
      War dictates its conditions.
      in a country with practically bottomless (80-90s) stocks of guns were not found in sufficient quantities of normal military equipment for Afghanistan and Chechnya.
      Exactly for such conditions, such a technique was not found. We are all in the old fashioned order ... Remember how the tachanka was created, how they refused troika in aviation, how they learned to fight in cities, etc. Sometimes you have to look ahead.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 18 March 2020 20: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: lwxx
        Exactly for those conditions, such a technique was not found.

        Well, why ... the Soviet industry recovered, the BTR-80 and BMP-2 could already shoot at high elevation angles, and the need to install the memory on the truck almost disappeared.
        1. English tarantas
          English tarantas 19 March 2020 05: 37 New
          +3
          The article also says the advantage of the memory over the KPVT, 2A42 in fire density. As well as a review. Wheelbarrows were used when armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles were not enough.
          Comrade Lopatov, you either read more carefully and thoughtfully, or go to articles on artillery.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 19 March 2020 21: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: English Tarantas
            The article also says the advantage of the memory over the KPVT, 2A42 in the density of fire.

            Dear, what is the "density of fire" with such a giant dispersion?
            Just look at how even the Urals stagger when firing.
            1. English tarantas
              English tarantas 20 March 2020 07: 13 New
              +2
              Giant dispersion is accompanied by a huge rate of fire and a demoralizing effect. If you made carts, then it worked.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 20 March 2020 14: 49 New
                +2
                Quote: English Tarantas
                Giant dispersion is accompanied by tremendous rate of fire and demoralizing effect

                One turn from the machine, and the whole "demoralizing effect" ends

                Quote: English Tarantas
                If you made carts, then it worked.

                Are you sure that shooting a machine gun directly from a cart was the main method?
                1. English tarantas
                  English tarantas 20 March 2020 15: 08 New
                  +1
                  One turn from the machine, and the whole "demoralizing effect" ends

                  The article says that such machines were also used as protection of the columns from hell. And since our soldiers loved to ride cars, what do you say to the argument "one turn on infantry fighting vehicles and it makes no sense to guard the convoy"
                  Are you sure that shooting a machine gun directly from a cart was the main method?

                  Again, with a shortage of firepower, the installation, as you put it, of the ZU-23-2 “machine gun” solved its task. I repeat, if they did, it means the meaning was, combat experience is better than our thoughts proves the necessity and effectiveness of certain means.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 20 March 2020 15: 20 New
                    +1
                    Quote: English Tarantas
                    one turn on infantry fighting vehicles and it makes no sense to guard the convoy

                    It is intended.
                    Therefore, the place of the fighters is not on the armor, but inside.

                    By the way, BMPs were not used to accompany the columns. Because the caterpillars. This is one of the reasons for fussing with ZU-23-2 in the Urals
                    In a motorized rifle regiment on an infantry fighting vehicle, only BRDM-2 scouts and anti-tankers can be used for escort. And these cars are limited in the maximum elevation angles of machine guns. That in the mountains is fraught with huge problems.

                    Quote: English Tarantas
                    Again with a shortage of firepower

                    The fact of the matter is that firepower is even abundant.

                    And if there isn’t enough "density of fire", then here’s

                    MT-LBM 6MB4 with GSh-30k


                    MT-LBM 6MB3 with GSh-23


                    These combat modules far leave the ZU-23-2 in this same "density", while they have normal sighting day / night, much more accurately, they are able to work in motion (stabilized), and at the same time they are much safer to calculate

                    Put such combat modules on the old BRDM-2 or BTR-70 and the problem is solved.
                    1. English tarantas
                      English tarantas 20 March 2020 15: 36 New
                      +2
                      I congratulate you on a good amount of knowledge on the topic, but it was as it was, the infantry rode on the armor, and the carts covered the columns. There were reasons for everything, determined by experience, conditions, specifics and tasks. I don’t see the point of arguing
                      I repeat, if they did, it means the meaning was, combat experience is better than our thoughts proves the necessity and effectiveness of certain means.

                      In addition, I'm not even trying to prove to you that the tachanka is a prodigy.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 20 March 2020 15: 47 New
                        +1
                        Quote: English Tarantas
                        armored infantry

                        Only when the weather is nice. Fact.

                        Quote: English Tarantas
                        and the columns are covered by carts.

                        ??
                        Sam participated in escort from a dozen columns. With "carts covering the columns" have never encountered

                        Quote: English Tarantas
                        if you did meaning it was

                        You can put the ZU-23-2 on the Urals in a regiment. And even with a makeshift reservation reservation can easily cope.
                        But to put the combat module from GSh-30K on the BRDM-2 is a decision at the level of GABATU.

                        So the whole higher "sense" is that while some of them simply do not work nicer, others "on the ground" are forced to get out of the situation.

                        And do not think that this is due to the highest efficiency of such a shushpanzer. Like with a scoop. They have to drill not because it is super-efficient. But because they drank money for an electric drill
                2. rumpeljschtizhen
                  rumpeljschtizhen 21 March 2020 19: 25 New
                  0
                  Then I agree with the British tank ..... Since carts with Szu are made and used a lot, it means they have proven their effectiveness .... also means that armored personnel carriers cannot replace these carts at some points ..... For the price-effectiveness
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 21 March 2020 19: 27 New
                    0
                    Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
                    Since carts with szu are made and used a lot, it means they have proved their effectiveness

                    Just like hand drills ...
      2. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 19 March 2020 02: 17 New
        +2
        I read on the Internet that in warehouses in Russia there are about 70000 tanks and as many armored personnel carriers and other armored vehicles than these mugs to build would have removed part of the chronicity.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 19 March 2020 09: 21 New
          +2
          This is an exaggeration, but there are a lot of different techniques in storage.
          1. Chaldon48
            Chaldon48 20 March 2020 20: 09 New
            -1
            She is there so "stored" probably that she lost all opportunity to move, probably so, a kind of metal on wheels.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 20 March 2020 21: 22 New
              +1
              Everything is solvable. Even when the equipment is stored “as it should be”, re-preservation and putting it into operation requires investment anyway.

              And if we talk about the old equipment for modern use, then it makes sense to modernize, there is a module to change which combat ...
  4. Alex 2020
    Alex 2020 18 March 2020 18: 39 New
    +9
    I always considered such showerheads to be a forced initiative due to the lack of normal armor / special equipment. And there it is! It’s a pity that you can’t name them having no analogues. I am ashamed of the people. And before that, everything new was lacking in analogs, but here .... The material is interesting, I learned a little new.
    PS No matter how carried away by the production of such units, they did not score on the development of normal armored vehicles.
    1. Eskobar
      Eskobar 18 March 2020 21: 27 New
      +9
      At VO there is a series of articles "Shushpanzery of Ukraine" where readers together ridiculed cars. And they themselves are not far gone.
  5. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 18 March 2020 18: 52 New
    +1
    Mathematics won the war ... (s)
  6. Azis
    Azis 18 March 2020 19: 10 New
    0
    The meaning of this awning is not clear
    if the feed sticks out
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 18 March 2020 19: 44 New
      0
      There is a clearly visible frame for this ten. Capital and thoughtful. Really what it could be for.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 18 March 2020 19: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: Azis
      The meaning of this awning is not clear

      He hides the main thing.
      1. Azis
        Azis 18 March 2020 22: 15 New
        +6
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Azis
        The meaning of this awning is not clear
        He hides the main thing.
        So that the gypsies do not capitalize the ax, saw and reflectors on the bike?
    3. sagitch
      sagitch 18 March 2020 22: 08 New
      +4
      Awning can serve as protection against overheating in the sun.
    4. Glory1974
      Glory1974 18 March 2020 23: 15 New
      0
      The meaning of this awning is not clear

      it is not visible that the car is armored. They also do it on the basis of the Gazelle, they are armored, and glass is inserted from the outside, as on an ordinary one.
    5. Protos
      Protos 19 March 2020 00: 42 New
      +5
      If you sit in TurkVO in the iron kung, you will understand laughing
  7. Lopatov
    Lopatov 18 March 2020 20: 06 New
    +9
    I just don’t understand one thing.
    For a bad case like "the armored Urals with ZU-23-2 for defense against toyotanks" they have enough money, and they are not sorry.

    But on the booking of "Tornado-G", on the contrary, they save. As on booking a great many other special vehicles, the equipment in which is often more expensive than a pair of tanks
    As an example:


    By the way, you will laugh, but in a never-armored trailer, hydrogen cylinders.
    1. Azis
      Azis 18 March 2020 22: 11 New
      +4
      Well, the kakbe cars are rear ... And the Urals under consideration for transporting l / s near the "front edge" and the large ̶ш̶а̶х̶и̶д̶ ural mobile.
    2. Glory1974
      Glory1974 18 March 2020 23: 13 New
      +1
      As on booking a great many other special vehicles, the equipment in which is often more expensive than a pair of tanks
      As an example:

      Due to the lack of modern radio-electronic elements, our communication technology is so heavy that the vehicles simply won’t pull the armor.
      For example, our space communications station based on URAL-4320 with a trailer, and sworn friends in a jeep.
      1. KCA
        KCA 19 March 2020 03: 56 New
        +3
        A large mass of SCS and other PCTs is determined not by the element base, but by the transmitter, generator lamps, which are no smaller in the damned west, and by cooling to them, if the transmitter is made not on lamps, but on transistors, its cooling system, with equal power, will be several times more, because Less efficiency
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 19 March 2020 10: 13 New
          0
          on transistor r / st there are no tube transmitters.
          On SCS, especially high power is not needed, and there have long been used transistors, not lamps.
          The fact is that with comparable performance characteristics, our equipment is heavier than imported.
          1. KCA
            KCA 19 March 2020 11: 06 New
            +3
            What is the difference, r / a tube or on msx? This does not affect the formation of the radio signal, the most powerful generator transistor is 1,5 kW, there are more than 200 kW lamps, is there no need for power? It depends on the task, the GPS satellite receiver is inserted into the watch, but to ensure stable two-way communication with the satellite, here the power is very necessary, especially in conditions of counteracting electronic warfare or the presence of ionizing radiation sources. That's about the need-do not need power for SCS:
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 19 March 2020 12: 22 New
              0
              are we talking about SCS on a car base? There transistors quite cope.
              In the context of counteracting electronic warfare, power is far from the first place, otherwise how would a president with a "nuclear suitcase" travel to the USA? with all the desire not to drown him, although his power is not large.
              Huge and powerful SCS, of course, also exist, here I do not argue with you.
              My statement is that due to more advanced technologies in the West, the communication technology is smaller.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 March 2020 21: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: glory1974
        For example, our space communications station based on URAL-4320 with a trailer, and sworn friends in a jeep.

        So big that they require a Humvee? And we have portable ...


        You see, I, too, am able to compare warm with soft.
        In general, to your note, we have two batteries in the towed battery, based on an armored personnel carrier and based on a KUNG on a GAZ-66. Plus "Ural" carry coil of wire.
        Instead of these three cars, they have 9 (nine) Humves and three trailers.
        So it goes...
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 20 March 2020 08: 56 New
          -1
          I also know how to compare the warm with the soft.

          You have no equal in this. wassat
          And if you carefully read the comments, you would know that we are talking about communication technology with comparable performance characteristics.
          The photo that you presented is essentially a satellite phone that provides 1 telephone channel.
          And at the auto base, there is a communication technology that provides dozens of telephone and telegraph channels, data transfer, channel closure, etc. So, such a technique with comparable performance characteristics, we have larger sizes than the United States.
          Therefore, SCS and TRS we have on the basis of URAL or KAMAZ, and they have on Humvee. "
          Instead of these three cars, they have 9 (nine) Humves and three trailers.
          Such cases

          I won’t talk about artillery, I don’t know. But I can fully assume that they and the coils with cable are of comparable size.
          By the way, note, TA-57 is a copy of the German Telefunken model of 43 years, TK-2 coils have been in service since the 30s, the P-274 cable is a worse copy of the one used in the USSR (without silver plating), therefore provides the worst quality of communication. Here is such a progress in communications.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 20 March 2020 14: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: glory1974
            And on the auto base, communication technology




            Questions?


            Quote: glory1974
            TA-57 - a copy of the German Telefunken sample 43 years

            Yes?
            Here is an article for you, try to find an analogue of TA-57
            https://wwii.space/средства-проводной-связи-германия/

            By the way, our 58th remained only as a means of communication in the regiment On the nightstands. And then they were partially replaced by the 88th.
            Well, as a standard means of communication, only the 88th
            1. DED_peer_DED
              DED_peer_DED 21 March 2020 00: 08 New
              0
              "Volga" You certainly brought in vain. The thing is the past.
              There, also, the transmission speed of the info rolls over, it is difficult to push the transmitted voice through, somehow. But basically, a few telecode short commands.
              In addition to the elemental base, there is also the composition and number of satellite constellation (for us and for them) + reliability and operation in difficult conditions, apparently. Yes, and MTBF with maintainability, I think.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 21 March 2020 15: 22 New
                0
                Quote: DED_peer_DED
                "Volga" You certainly brought in vain. The thing is the past.

                However, the station exists. And the Volga is clearly not the Urals
            2. Glory1974
              Glory1974 23 March 2020 09: 30 New
              0
              Did you read the performance characteristics of the station presented? 4,8 kbps transfer rate. 1 telephone channel. This is the analogue of a satellite phone.
              Go to the Museum of Artillery, Engineering and Signal Corps in St. Petersburg. At the booth, where the Wehrmacht’s trophy communication technology, they will show you the TA-57, you will be surprised what he is doing here, and then they will show you the inscription on it, and you will see that it is “telefunky”.
  8. honest people
    honest people 18 March 2020 20: 29 New
    +3
    Ural-4320 10th GRU OBrSpN exploded in a landmine, in the region of Bamut. Chechnya
  9. iouris
    iouris 18 March 2020 20: 36 New
    0
    Earlier it was reported that the States agreed with the Taliban. The conclusion can be drawn as follows: barbarians will break through in the Central Asian "underbelly" of the Russian Federation. There modes (some) can fall quickly. How events will develop further is understandable. By the way, the Taliban are not fighting under contract.
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 18 March 2020 21: 09 New
      0
      It is doubtful that now they will be busy with the inner Kusalov, aka sweet brawl
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 18 March 2020 21: 27 New
        +4
        Our last ones left Afghanistan in February 1989
        After 4.5 years, at the 12th outpost of the Moscow border detachment, ours lost 25 out of 48
  10. 113262a
    113262a 18 March 2020 21: 40 New
    +3
    Despite the existing negative experience, I can’t say anything bad about it, they will again be banned. For nizya!
  11. Glory1974
    Glory1974 18 March 2020 23: 20 New
    +9
    On all machines, the sides are raised, or initially made high, which limits the angle of fire. Only Belarusians intelligently done.
    The first campaign was ambushed. ZU-23 on ZIL-131 swept the militants from the hillside, they went down lower and the shells began to fly over them, lower the trunks prevented the side to lower the trunks. We barely fought back then.
    In all the presented photographs, especially armored ones, in the mountains it is impossible to shoot at a negative elevation angle.
    Again, combat experience is not fully taken into account.
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  13. Protos
    Protos 19 March 2020 00: 50 New
    +8
    Quote: glory1974
    As on booking a great many other special vehicles, the equipment in which is often more expensive than a pair of tanks
    As an example:

    Due to the lack of modern radio-electronic elements, our communication technology is so heavy that the vehicles simply won’t pull the armor.
    For example, our space communications station based on URAL-4320 with a trailer, and sworn friends in a jeep.

    Oh, shaw, right after all, Ural with a trailer? !!! bully
    Hollow-gus

    And by the way, in the old Soviet hardware R-441-U "Rain-U"
    there were two more berths and a separate compartment for the shift on duty!
    Che in the “Humvee” identity can be on duty around the clock in freezing temperatures ?!
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 19 March 2020 10: 21 New
      0
      there are satellite communication stations in general in a suitcase.
      Therefore, it is more correct to talk about stations comparable in terms of performance characteristics.
      secondly, sleeping places do not give mass. In a big car, this is a nice bonus.
      thirdly, they can easily be on duty at Hamvi, but no one will even think of staying for an overnight stay, a completely different life support system. We are happy to leave the tent in the car, they are happy to go to the tent or block container.
  14. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 19 March 2020 03: 26 New
    +1
    Is Russia Zimbabwe? Or is there a total war going on here now, and all normal APCs burned out at the fronts? Why even build and adopt the ersatz? It would be better to design normal armored personnel carriers and self-propelled guns than to rivet these freaks.
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 19 March 2020 21: 48 New
      -2
      Then, that normal armored personnel carriers and self-propelled guns are designed for a completely different war (the very same - total war). But for the rebellion they’re not officially building technology, they are trying to adapt the existing one. It turns out badly: it’s too expensive, the reservation is sacrificed for mobility - cross-country ability, the tactics of use are completely different for which the equipment is not designed (for example, a nuclear strike is not delivered to the city before the equipment enters it. Because of this, the enemy infantry does not burn out but it is actively using portable anti-tank weapons, while there are almost no tanks that could carry a nuclear strike and which they were preparing to fight with).
    2. iouris
      iouris 20 March 2020 00: 35 New
      -2
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      than riveting these freaks

      If, nevertheless, the spirits trample through Turkmenistan, then the "sleeping cells" will cheer up, the cops there will join, and there are no natural barriers to the Ural Mountains. On "Toyota" you can quickly drive to Orenburg and Kubyshev. All hope for nuclear weapons or for China is one belt, one devil. In the meantime, the “Ural” gondobit these carts: such as cheap and cheerful. Jumped. Gotcha.
  15. sen
    sen 19 March 2020 05: 16 New
    0
    In Syria, the installation of a 57-mm gun on trucks is popular.
    https://topwar.ru/80645-podelki-siriyskoy-arabskoy-armii-57-mm-zenitnye-pushki-s-60-ustanovlennye-na-puskovye-ustanovki-2k12.html
    Why are we not armed with this?
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 20 March 2020 10: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: sen
      Why are we not armed with this?

      because why the heck is not necessary.
  16. Threaded screw
    Threaded screw 19 March 2020 09: 45 New
    0
    As a gantrack, ZSU-57-2 is more suitable, although this is not a truck, but what a gun.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 19 March 2020 10: 32 New
      +3
      The car is good, but it’s not in the troops, but there are a lot of ZUShks, and they’re doing what it is.
      For ground targets and Shilka proved to be quite good.
  17. Strashila
    Strashila 19 March 2020 10: 28 New
    +2
    There is a need for such machines, it is necessary to undertake to design and produce.
    Experience "Brooms", which used the combat module BRM.
    Now there is a modernization of the BMP-2 at the Berezhok complex, is it possible to install it in the back of the Urals?
    There was no bad unification
    You can go along the path of the Yuarovites, but it will be a completely different class of cars.
  18. Romka47
    Romka47 19 March 2020 16: 53 New
    +2
    Thanks to the author, I read in one breath, because I love this car, well, for my taste, it is the most beautiful, the most brutal, and in general the best good
  19. Sam-07
    Sam-07 20 March 2020 11: 05 New
    +2
    "Bison", how unforgettable it was in winter ... climate control, foot heating zones, air conditioning, filter ventilation installation, sleeve deflectors, mine seats ....
  20. Mobik
    Mobik 22 March 2020 19: 49 New
    0
    It seems to me alone that these machines resemble the famous Ukrainian drug armourers ...
  21. Fishery
    Fishery 10 May 2020 11: 36 New
    0
    well, on the side of Toyota’s hypothetical militants with the same set of weapons, maneuverability and most likely the number, as if exchanging a cart of Ural carts for militants, are not very interesting, there are no advantages, for the regular army this is a compromise, and probably not the best
  22. Diverter
    Diverter 7 June 2020 21: 08 New
    0
    The Urals lined with corners reminded me of the Pepelians "great and independent."
    Why not take the front of the Typhoon-U, and put a zushka in the back? And it is advisable to remove your hodovka from the gun mount, but add front and rear sheets of armor to protect the calculation. By organizing the mass production of just such gantraks, the army will receive factory-protected, reliable transport, unification with the Typhoons, and the reduction in the price of the same Typhoons.