Ural-4320: guns and armor

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Ural-4320: guns and armor
About a year ago, similar "Syrian" "Urals" were shown in Yekaterinburg. Source: tiberius66.livejournal.com

Advantages of Ural


Probably, on the second step in terms of lethality after the Grad, Damba and Prima multiple launch rocket systems, the Urals occupy the ZU-23-2 automatic cannons installed in the back. For the first time, they spoke of the need for their appearance in Afghanistan, and a real flowering awaited them during the conflict in the Chechen Republic. Moreover, it was the bonnet Ural that was better suited for this purpose than any other equipment. Firstly, the layout with the driver's cab behind the front axle, in contrast to the KAMAZ, gave a considerable advantage when undermining under the front wheel. Secondly, the mass of the “Urals” made it possible to withstand the recoil from continuous volleys of a twin 23 mm artillery mount at any angle to the longitudinal axis of the vehicle. ZIL-131 was also converted into home-made gantraki, but due to its smaller size and weight it was inferior to Ural in universality of use.


"Ural" with ZU-23-2, May 2000, Khankala. Source: otvaga2004.ru

Usually ZU-23-2 was removed from the wheel drive and mounted in the truck body by forces of military repair units. This modification of the "Urals" was not a full-time in the Russian army. However, due to lack of tanks and other armored vehicles to escort convoys to protect military commandant's offices, it was these improvised self-propelled artillery installations that were singled out. Local battles in communications have become a real problem for regular military units around the world, and Russia is no exception. In the Chechen wars, up to 40-60% of personnel and military equipment were involved precisely in the fight against militants on the routes of movement of numerous columns. Typically, security equipment (tanks, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles) moved in the convoy every 5-10 vehicles, given the high traffic, such specialized equipment was not enough. Therefore, as a support, the Urals were poisoned with anti-aircraft installations in the cargo compartment - they were often the only armed vehicles in convoys of 5-10 transports.










Terrible "Urals" from Khankala. Source: otvaga2004.ru

Gantraki, by the way, inflicted not only heavy damage to the enemy with their hurricane fire, but also acted as a psychological weapons. Usually a couple of three volleys of ZU-23-2 towards the enemy was enough for the bandit to leave their positions. The advantage of such mobile gun mounts was the relatively low cost and high firepower, exceeding that of the APCs and BMPs. At the same time, despite the absence of a serious reservation, statistics on losses spoke of the high efficiency of such machines. This was largely due to the fact that anti-aircraft guns could work on targets at a fairly serious distance from the enemy and it was difficult to conduct targeted return fire with small arms. At the same time, if the enemy approached the distance of conducting aimed fire from a machine gun or rifle, in most cases he was destroyed by the calculation of ZU-23-2. (It is no coincidence that in the very near future in the Russian army there will be factory dumbbells based on the Urals and KamAZ trucks - the decision to adopt such equipment was made on the basis of Syrian combat experience.) Here an excellent "anti-material" effect of a 23 mm gun was opened, allowing an avalanche of shells to destroy various shahidmobili, jeep-gantraki and other improvised technique of terrorists.








Gantraki CVO with a female crew. Source: andrei-bt.livejournal.com


This gantrack serves in Belarus. Source: gruzovikpress.ru


And this one will soon become operational in the Russian army. Source: flickr.com

Since the time of Afghanistan, the main requirement for the construction of Ural-gantraks has been the installation of a twin gun so that the angle of fire in the rear hemisphere is at least 180 degrees. In the front of the body, about a third of its length, was a van with a tarpaulin open at the back. It stored tools, spare parts, duffel bags, ammunition and mattresses for recreational personnel. The crew usually consisted of a commander, a driver and two to three crew numbers. Of course, such a mobile gun mount open to all winds required at least local booking. To do this, in front of the body was protected by thick steel sheets or, if there was such an opportunity, hatches or fragments of armor of broken equipment. Also used were bulletproof vests hung on the seatbacks and in front of the shooter. The sides of the body were also tried to be strengthened with steel sheets, thick boards, sandbags, and sometimes even scraps of rails.

Ural changes engine


After describing the artillery installations on the basis of the Ural airborne vehicles, it is worth returning to the beginning of the 90s, when a motor plant burned down in Naberezhnye Chelny and a conveyor stood up in Miass due to a lack of power units. As mentioned in previous parts of the cycle, UralAZ engineers decided to install a YaMZ-236M2 diesel engine under the hood. This engine was a V-shaped 6-cylinder and 30 liter. from. was weaker than its predecessor from KamAZ. At the same time, due to the size of the engine, the air filter did not fit into the engine compartment of the Urals and had to be carried out onto the right wing - this was a characteristic difference between new cars with an index of 4320-10. The power-to-weight ratio of such machines naturally decreased, and as an alternative, trucks began to equip YaMZ-8M15 with 238-cylinder 2-liter diesel engines with a capacity of 240 liters. from. The motor was larger than the KamAZ-740; under its dimensions, the nose of the Urals had to be extended, which somewhat changed the initial harmonious appearance of the car. From that moment on, all the cars of the 4320 family acquired a characteristic elongated engine hood, for which they deservedly earned the nickname “Crocodiles”.




The characteristic elongated nose "Ural" received in the early 90's. Source: drive2.ru










Several photo sketches from modern UralAZ from Denis Shumin. Sources: drive2.ru

The six-cylinder YaMZ engine perfectly approached the new lightweight modification “Ural-43206”, from which one rear axle was stopped. This truck, which began life on the assembly line in 1996, was intended for the border troops and was supposed to replace the aging GAZ-66. The biaxial Ural is a dynamic machine (speed up to 85 km / h), which is characterized by relatively high efficiency and costs the military budget less money. However, the removal of the axis made it possible to place in the body no more than 4,2 tons, which, however, was quite enough for the border guards.

Ural wears armor


Ural, as one of the most warring trucks of the Soviet Army, was the first to try on a reservation. This happened during the fighting in Afghanistan and included the protection of the vital components of the machine: cab, body, engine compartment and fuel tanks. At first, local repair units were connected to this, but later the armor was already mounted in Miass itself, at 21 research institutes and a number of other nearby military factories.


Armored Ural. 2002, Chechen Republic. Source: otvaga2004.mybb.ru




Another pair of armored Urals. Source: otvaga2004.ru


A vivid example of the sustainability of the “Urals” to undermines. The crew is alive. Source: otvaga2004.ru

The reservation logic of the Urals, developed in Afghanistan, did not undergo any special changes during the first Chechen war - they also locally reserved individual elements of the car. But since August 1999, with the start of the second campaign, the situation has changed. Now the "Urals" of the internal troops and the Ministry of Defense defended in a new way. Typical was the full reservation of the hood and cab with the installation of small bulletproof glass blocks instead of the standard windshield. An armored box opened from above was installed in the body with loopholes from the BTR-60PB, often protected in the third or fourth booking class. Entrance and exit from such an armored module was carried out through aft swing doors, and an open roof made it possible to fire above the sides. It is noteworthy that the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation was much more serious about booking the Urals than in the army.






Source: Military Vehicles

Firstly, the cabin was fully armored and often equipped with a commander's sunroof. At the same time, the armor was thicker (up to the fifth booking level) than in army vehicles. How could this be explained? Internal troops could not boast of the presence of heavy armored vehicles, and there were often problems with light ones. And sometimes it was necessary to fight along with army units with a well-trained and equipped enemy. That is why the internal troops were much more attentive to the reservation of wheeled vehicles. Of course, this ultimately negatively affected the resource of the heavy Urals, but the effectiveness of such decisions was repeatedly proved in combat conditions. Not always in the process of booking the “Urals” the heat balance of motors was taken into account, which, locked in a thick armored box, often overheated and prematurely failed. In addition to thicker armor, the protected modules in the bodies of the “Urals” of the internal troops were equipped with armored double-glazed windows.






A sample of the modern armored version of the Urals. The name of the car plunges into a stupor - Ural-4320-0010-31 DKZ. Photo: Vitaliy Kuzmin. www.vitalykuzmin.net

















Federal-93. Photo: Vitaliy Kuzmin. www.vitalykuzmin.net







Ural Federal-42590. Photo: Vitaliy Kuzmin. www.vitalykuzmin.net

In army versions of the protected Urals, priority could be given not to thick armor, but to the preservation of carrying capacity, since the Urals were involved in the transportation of ammunition and other military equipment. In general, during the second Chechen campaign, “Urals” made real armored personnel carriers, which are much cheaper than traditional ones, and also have undeniable advantages: the ability to carry personnel quite comfortably, high mobility, versatility and carrying capacity. The quintessential relatively inexpensive armored car was the modern Ural Federal-42590 and Federal 93. At the other extreme, the explosion-proof Typhoon-U is at a cost. In the modern Russian army comes the understanding of the need to book most wheeled vehicles, and the Ural family is in the lead here.

To be continued ...
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  1. +22
    18 March 2020 18: 14
    Eugene, thanks for the interesting series of articles. waiting for continuation
  2. -11
    18 March 2020 18: 30
    It seems to me alone that these pepelatsy most of all resemble the famous Odessa tanks "NI". So it's not a war now. What are these ersatz for?
    1. +1
      18 March 2020 19: 05
      Quote: Amateur
      So now it’s not a war. What are these ersatz for?
      But what if? And we are ready! In fact, ZUshki began to be in the back of the Urals, or, in a household way, they put iron boxes in the First Chechenskaya because of the fact that it was necessary to travel, and whether there was no armor, or it was for other tasks. By the second, some enterprises have already rushed in advance, the "boxes" have become more like armored capsules, even the cabins have been booked. We called them "Pokemon" (hez, why ...). Yesterday I saw the national guards in the Urals with a double cabin, also with an armored capsule under the awning, only the cabin seemed to be without armor - there were no loopholes.
    2. -4
      18 March 2020 19: 11
      Money rules the world, these ersatz help save them, the rest matters little
      1. +12
        18 March 2020 19: 58
        Quote: Chaldon48
        these ersatz help save them

        Except for the life and health of the military. If you consider, no savings, rather the opposite.
        1. -3
          18 March 2020 21: 02
          After all, another option is possible:
          I'd rather go with such an ersatz than without him at all.
          In Syria, probably once again convinced of this.
          Although I am considering the option of a greater orientation to export, just as a cart for the poor. And the adoption of the Armed Forces in the RF Armed Forces a certain PR move to give seriousness to the project
          1. +14
            18 March 2020 21: 09
            Quote: Mitroha
            I'd rather go with such an ersatz than without him at all.

            And what prevents to apply, for example. BTR-82A? With a 30 mm gun, with stabilized weapons, with normal sighting day / night?
            1. +3
              18 March 2020 21: 16
              If available, nothing.
              But in their absence ....
              And then, finding four people on this "pepelats" is much easier than the crew of an armored personnel carrier. Practical training is not required. This is me about urgent mobilization
              1. +4
                18 March 2020 21: 18
                Quote: Mitroha
                If available, nothing.

                They are in the troops.

                Quote: Mitroha
                And then, finding four people on this "pepelats" is much easier than the crew of an armored personnel carrier. Practical no training required

                ??
                On the ZU-23-2 ???
                1. +1
                  18 March 2020 21: 24
                  What exactly surprised you so much?
                  1. +7
                    18 March 2020 21: 28
                    ZU-23-2 is a difficult thing to learn.
                    1. +1
                      18 March 2020 21: 30
                      I get it. Sorry for the incorrect expression of thought. It means relatively not required
              2. +5
                18 March 2020 21: 42
                And what prevents to apply, for example. BTR-82A?

                If available, nothing.

                there are at least 80 of them, and the production and conversion of the BTR-XNUMX from the availability continues.
                1. +1
                  18 March 2020 21: 49
                  This is not in dispute, but it is interesting to understand how the MO is guided by putting these machines in series. Maybe they thought that if the enemy had drones, the armor would be priority targets, and such trucks would attract less attention. Or with an eye on export
                  1. +1
                    18 March 2020 22: 18
                    it’s interesting to understand how the MO is guided by putting these machines in a series

                    As for me, such a decision is difficult to understand.
                    The only thing that in my opinion really makes at least some sense is these very "Feds", even if there are more modern "Typhoons".
                  2. +4
                    18 March 2020 22: 22
                    Quote: Mitroha
                    trucks will attract less attention
                    It is for the transportation of personnel in a more / less secure transport. In BTR / MTLB so many people + any boxes you will not cram
                    1. +1
                      18 March 2020 23: 33
                      Something else is clear about transportation. But with the "carts"?
        2. 0
          19 March 2020 02: 13
          When was a soldier's life a value?
        3. 0
          20 March 2020 20: 03
          For those at the top who make a decision like "Send, do not send, start active actions, do not start," a soldier is a consumable material, nothing more.
    3. +6
      19 March 2020 07: 29
      It seems to me alone that these pepelatsy most of all resemble the famous Odessa tanks "NI". So it's not a war now. What are these ersatz for?

      I support! +++++++
      Yes, I understand that the army needs armored trucks. Still, the 21st century in the yard and personnel must be protected.
      But these anti-aircraft guns were put in the back of the "Ural" out of despair, nothing more.
      Now there are all kinds of armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, etc. Or are they not in our army?
      Therefore, we will continue to put in the body of 2 anti-aircraft gunners, who sitting in this open body actually become suicide bombers.
      The author, perhaps this "Ural" is primarily a mobile anti-aircraft gun, and only then everything else? Well, that's the way to write!
      Why such things to any bandits, cartels, etc. This is clear.
      But why these unparalleled in the world Ghana-trucks-shmaki-tanks are needed in the most modern, equipped with the latest technology, weekly setting records on the Zvezda TV channel of the Russian Army, I personally do not understand at all.
      Or, as usual - "No money, but you hold on"!
      1. 0
        19 March 2020 09: 11
        I support! +++++++

        And look how many minuses slapped me for this koment. I’m just wondering what some co-site owners are guided by when expressing their negative opinions.
        1. +3
          19 March 2020 09: 21
          To be honest, I have already stopped paying attention to the minuses.
          Don't give a damn.
          Basically guided by a complete lack of brains, and therefore the ability to think.
          But there are pathological fools or just ideological.
        2. 0
          20 March 2020 15: 33
          Erzats-tank is an ersatz-tank, and a gantra is a separate military equipment with its own tasks and, as a result, features. Read here on TW an article about American dumbbells in Vietnam, how and why they appeared, for what purposes and tasks they were used. And you will immediately have no questions about why there should be a gantrack instead of an armored personnel carrier or an infantry fighting vehicle.
          1. 0
            20 March 2020 15: 40
            article about american gantraki

            And since when did the tactics of the American army in the fight against semi-partisan armed groups armed with only small arms be a model? Did they defeat someone in Afghanistan without aviation and carpet bombing? sad
            1. 0
              20 March 2020 15: 53
              That's why I say
              Quote: Ded_Mazay
              Read an article here on TW about American dumbbells in Vietnam ...
              .
              A gantrack is not an Erazts-BTR or an Erasz-BMP, it is a machine for guarding the communications of troops, where practice shows. An armored personnel carrier and infantry fighting vehicles will not be enough.
      2. +5
        19 March 2020 10: 24
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        But these anti-aircraft guns were put in the back of the "Ural" out of despair, nothing more.

        These pieces are manufactured wherever military operations are being carried out (Afghanistan, Chechnya, Syria, etc.), and since there is a constant need for them, then they should not be made in the war zone, but in a factory where they will do much it’s better from the materials you need, and not from what is at hand.
        1. 0
          20 March 2020 21: 05
          "... at the factory, where they will do it much better and from the materials that are needed, and not from what is at hand"
          It is strange that factories are not trying to develop such equipment on the basis of a tractor and a tractor self-propelled chassis. Car speed and maneuverability are not so important here, but the necessary and important unpretentiousness, lifting capacity, maneuverability, a large resource and engine power reserve are already available.
          1. -1
            20 March 2020 21: 52
            Quote: ycuce234-san
            Car speed and maneuverability are not so important here, but the necessary and important unpretentiousness, load capacity,

            That is, those who assemble this technique on their own do not really know what they need?
            1. +1
              21 March 2020 01: 04
              They know. But those who assemble this equipment on their own (do-it-yourselfers) act in a force majeure situation and use what they have at their disposal - and this is usually automotive equipment. On the other hand, with thoughtful leisurely design and factory design it is not clear what exactly the tractor chassis does not suit the designers. Structurally, as a type of chassis, tracked tractors and wheeled ones with a breaking frame, closer to tracked and wheeled armored vehicles than to cars and tractor units have already passed to a harsh practical selection for suitability for work in difficult conditions.
              1. +3
                21 March 2020 09: 58
                Quote: ycuce234-san
                what exactly does the tractor chassis not suit

                Tractor chassis, as a rule, are created at low speed, but great traction, Neither one nor the other high-speed gun is needed. But the speed and many hours of movement in the column is very much in demand. The rapid-firing gun in the back of the car is not for the advanced, but mainly to protect the convoy from shelling from ambushes.




                1. 0
                  21 March 2020 18: 54
                  Racing tractors knock down to 121 km / h on virgin snow ... so it’s quite possible, if you want to have some extreme fun, catch partisans on the ground in Toyota, quad, snowmobiles and enduro and arrest not for partisans but for lack of rights and malicious speeding and lack of permits for weapons: Al Capone, then, sat down not for mafiosi but for tax evasion smile .

                  [media = https: //www.aregion.ru/avtomobilnye_stati/samyj_bystryj_traktor_v_mire/]
    4. -1
      19 March 2020 11: 12
      Yes. It seems to you alone.
    5. -3
      19 March 2020 14: 20
      Quote: Amateur
      It seems to me alone that these pepelatsy most of all resemble the famous Odessa tanks "NI". So it's not a war now. What are these ersatz for?


      There is no money for the T-14 and Boomerangs, so the trucks are sheathed with armored plates.
      1. 0
        19 March 2020 21: 38
        But there is a lot of money for MPI and you don’t need it: for the price of one tank (4.5 megabytes) you can rivet 20 MPs on the basis of a heavy eight-wheeled Kamaz (4.5 million rubles apiece).
        1. 0
          20 March 2020 10: 48
          Obviously, even for this there is no money.
  3. +9
    18 March 2020 18: 34
    Exarz tachanka, a weapon for the poor rebels, who does not belong in the regular army.
    It is incomprehensible to the mind, as in a country with practically bottomless (80-90s) reserves of guns there wasn’t enough normal military equipment for Afghanistan and Chechnya.
    1. +2
      18 March 2020 19: 32
      Against jihad mobiles just right.
    2. +7
      18 March 2020 19: 54
      War dictates its conditions.
      in a country with practically bottomless (80-90s) stocks of guns were not found in sufficient quantities of normal military equipment for Afghanistan and Chechnya.
      Exactly for such conditions, such a technique was not found. We are all in the old fashioned order ... Remember how the tachanka was created, how they refused troika in aviation, how they learned to fight in cities, etc. Sometimes you have to look ahead.
      1. +4
        18 March 2020 20: 13
        Quote: lwxx
        Exactly for those conditions, such a technique was not found.

        Well, why ... the Soviet industry recovered, the BTR-80 and BMP-2 could already shoot at high elevation angles, and the need to install the memory on the truck almost disappeared.
        1. +3
          19 March 2020 05: 37
          The article also says the advantage of the memory over the KPVT, 2A42 in fire density. As well as a review. Wheelbarrows were used when armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles were not enough.
          Comrade Lopatov, you either read more carefully and thoughtfully, or go to articles on artillery.
          1. +1
            19 March 2020 21: 33
            Quote: English tarantass
            The article also says the advantage of the memory over the KPVT, 2A42 in the density of fire.

            Dear, what is the "density of fire" with such a giant dispersion?
            Just look at how even the Ural staggers when firing.
            1. +2
              20 March 2020 07: 13
              Giant dispersion is accompanied by a huge rate of fire and a demoralizing effect. If you made carts, then it worked.
              1. +2
                20 March 2020 14: 49
                Quote: English tarantass
                Giant dispersion is accompanied by tremendous rate of fire and demoralizing effect

                One turn from the machine, and the whole "demoralizing effect" ends

                Quote: English tarantass
                If you made carts, then it worked.

                Are you sure that shooting a machine gun directly from a cart was the main method?
                1. +1
                  20 March 2020 15: 08
                  One turn from the machine, and the whole "demoralizing effect" ends

                  The article says that such machines were also used as the protection of columns from hell. And since our soldiers loved to ride on horseback, what can you say to the argument "there is one round of infantry fighting vehicles and there is no point in guarding the convoy"
                  Are you sure that shooting a machine gun directly from a cart was the main method?

                  Again, with a shortage of fire weapons, the installation, as you put it, of the "machine gun" ZU-23-2 solved its task. I repeat, if they did, then the meaning was, combat experience is better than our reflections proves the need and effectiveness of certain means.
                  1. +1
                    20 March 2020 15: 20
                    Quote: English tarantass
                    one turn on infantry fighting vehicles and it makes no sense to guard the convoy

                    It is intended.
                    Therefore, the place of the fighters is not on the armor, but inside.

                    By the way, BMPs were not used to escort the convoys. Because the caterpillars. This is one of the reasons for the fuss with the ZU-23-2 in the "Ural"
                    In a motorized rifle regiment on an infantry fighting vehicle, only BRDM-2 scouts and anti-tankers can be used for escort. And these cars are limited in the maximum elevation angles of machine guns. That in the mountains is fraught with huge problems.

                    Quote: English tarantass
                    Again with a shortage of firepower

                    The fact of the matter is that firepower is even abundant.

                    And if there is not enough "density of fire", then here is for you

                    MT-LBM 6MB4 with GSh-30k


                    MT-LBM 6MB3 with GSh-23


                    These combat modules far leave behind the ZU-23-2 at this very "density", while they have normal sighting day / night, much more accurately, they are able to work in motion (stabilized), and at the same time are orders of magnitude safer for calculation

                    Put such combat modules on the old BRDM-2 or BTR-70 and the problem is solved.
                    1. +2
                      20 March 2020 15: 36
                      I congratulate you on a good amount of knowledge on the topic, but it was as it was, the infantry rode on the armor, and the carts covered the columns. There were reasons for everything, determined by experience, conditions, specifics and tasks. I don’t see the point of arguing
                      I repeat, if they did, it means the meaning was, combat experience is better than our thoughts proves the necessity and effectiveness of certain means.

                      In addition, I'm not even trying to prove to you that the tachanka is a prodigy.
                      1. +1
                        20 March 2020 15: 47
                        Quote: English tarantass
                        armored infantry

                        Only when the weather is nice. Fact.

                        Quote: English tarantass
                        and the columns are covered by carts.

                        ??
                        He himself participated in the escort of a dozen columns. I have never encountered the "carts covering the columns"

                        Quote: English tarantass
                        if you did meaning it was

                        You can put the ZU-23-2 on the Ural in a regiment. And even with the artisanal booking of a remroth it can be easily dealt with.
                        But to put the combat module from GSh-30K on the BRDM-2 is a decision at the level of GABATU.

                        So the whole higher "meaning" is that while some are not really working, others "on the ground" are forced to get out of the situation.

                        And do not think that this is due to the highest efficiency of such a shushpanzer. Like with a scoop. They have to drill not because it is super-efficient. But because they drank money for an electric drill
                2. 0
                  21 March 2020 19: 25
                  Then I agree with the British tank ..... Since carts with Szu are made and used a lot, it means they have proven their effectiveness .... also means that armored personnel carriers cannot replace these carts at some points ..... For the price-effectiveness
                  1. 0
                    21 March 2020 19: 27
                    Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
                    Since carts with szu are made and used a lot, it means they have proved their effectiveness

                    Just like hand drills ...
      2. +2
        19 March 2020 02: 17
        I read on the Internet that in warehouses in Russia there are about 70000 tanks and as many armored personnel carriers and other armored vehicles than these mugs to build would have removed part of the chronicity.
        1. +2
          19 March 2020 09: 21
          This is an exaggeration, but there are a lot of different techniques in storage.
          1. -1
            20 March 2020 20: 09
            She is so "stored" there, probably that she lost any opportunity to budge, probably like that, a kind of metal on wheels.
            1. +1
              20 March 2020 21: 22
              Everything is usable. Even when the equipment is stored "as it should", unmothballing and putting it into operation still requires investments.

              And if we talk about the old equipment for modern use, then it makes sense to modernize, there is a module to change which combat ...
  4. +9
    18 March 2020 18: 39
    I always considered such showerheads to be a forced initiative due to the lack of normal armor / special equipment. And there it is! It’s a pity that you can’t name them having no analogues. I am ashamed of the people. And before that, everything new was lacking in analogs, but here .... The material is interesting, I learned a little new.
    PS No matter how carried away by the production of such units, they did not score on the development of normal armored vehicles.
    1. +9
      18 March 2020 21: 27
      On VO there is a series of articles "Shushpanzers of Ukraine" where readers amicably ridiculed the cars. And they themselves did not go far.
  5. +1
    18 March 2020 18: 52
    Mathematics won the war ... (s)
  6. 0
    18 March 2020 19: 10
    The meaning of this awning is not clear
    if the feed sticks out
    1. 0
      18 March 2020 19: 44
      There is a clearly visible frame for this ten. Capital and thoughtful. Really what it could be for.
    2. +5
      18 March 2020 19: 56
      Quote: Azis
      The meaning of this awning is not clear

      He hides the main thing.
      1. +6
        18 March 2020 22: 15
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Azis
        The meaning of this awning is not clear
        He hides the main thing.
        So that the gypsies do not capitalize the ax, saw and reflectors on the bike?
    3. +4
      18 March 2020 22: 08
      Awning can serve as protection against overheating in the sun.
    4. 0
      18 March 2020 23: 15
      The meaning of this awning is not clear

      it is not visible that the car is armored. The same is done on the basis of the "Gazelle", they are armored, and glass is inserted outside, as on an ordinary one.
    5. +5
      19 March 2020 00: 42
      If you sit in TurkVO in the iron kung, you will understand laughing
  7. +9
    18 March 2020 20: 06
    I just don’t understand one thing.
    For a bad thing like "armored Ural with a ZU-23-2 for defense against toyotatanks" they have enough money, and they do not mind.

    On the contrary, they save on booking "Tornado-G". As with the booking of a great variety of other special vehicles, the equipment in which often costs more than a couple of tanks
    As an example:


    By the way, you will laugh, but in a never-armored trailer, hydrogen cylinders.
    1. +4
      18 March 2020 22: 11
      Well, kakbe rear cars ... And the Urals under consideration for transportation of l / s near the "front edge" and a large крупsh̶a̶kh̶i̶d̶ Ural-mobile.
    2. +1
      18 March 2020 23: 13
      As on booking a great many other special vehicles, the equipment in which is often more expensive than a pair of tanks
      As an example:

      Due to the lack of modern radio-electronic elements, our communication technology is so heavy that the vehicles simply won’t pull the armor.
      For example, our space communications station based on URAL-4320 with a trailer, and sworn friends in a jeep.
      1. KCA
        +3
        19 March 2020 03: 56
        A large mass of SCS and other PCTs is determined not by the element base, but by the transmitter, generator lamps, which are no smaller in the damned west, and by cooling to them, if the transmitter is made not on lamps, but on transistors, its cooling system, with equal power, will be several times more, because Less efficiency
        1. 0
          19 March 2020 10: 13
          on transistor r / st there are no tube transmitters.
          On SCS, especially high power is not needed, and there have long been used transistors, not lamps.
          The fact is that with comparable performance characteristics, our equipment is heavier than imported.
          1. KCA
            +3
            19 March 2020 11: 06
            What is the difference, r / a tube or on msx? This does not affect the formation of the radio signal, the most powerful generator transistor is 1,5 kW, there are more than 200 kW lamps, is there no need for power? It depends on the task, the GPS satellite receiver is inserted into the watch, but to ensure stable two-way communication with the satellite, here the power is very necessary, especially in conditions of counteracting electronic warfare or the presence of ionizing radiation sources. That's about the need-do not need power for SCS:
            1. 0
              19 March 2020 12: 22
              are we talking about SCS on a car base? There transistors quite cope.
              In the face of countermeasures against electronic warfare, power is far from being in the first place, otherwise how would the president travel to the United States with a "nuclear suitcase"? with all the desire to drown it, although its power is not great.
              Huge and powerful SCS, of course, also exist, here I do not argue with you.
              My statement is that due to more advanced technologies in the West, the communication technology is smaller.
      2. +3
        19 March 2020 21: 41
        Quote: glory1974
        For example, our space communications station based on URAL-4320 with a trailer, and sworn friends in a jeep.

        Big enough to call for a Humvee? And we have portable ...


        You see, I, too, am able to compare warm with soft.
        In general, you should note that we have two KShM in the towed battery, based on an armored personnel carrier and based on KUNG on a GAZ-66. Plus "Ural" to carry coils of wire.
        Instead of these three cars, they have 9 (nine) Humvees and three trailers.
        So it goes...
        1. -1
          20 March 2020 08: 56
          I also know how to compare the warm with the soft.

          You have no equal in this. wassat
          And if you carefully read the comments, you would know that we are talking about communication technology with comparable performance characteristics.
          The photo that you presented is essentially a satellite phone that provides 1 telephone channel.
          And at the auto base, there is a communication technology that provides dozens of telephone and telegraph channels, data transfer, channel closure, etc. So, such a technique with comparable performance characteristics, we have larger sizes than the United States.
          Therefore, SCS and TRS are based on URAL or KAMAZ, and they have on Humvee. "
          Instead of these three cars, they have 9 (nine) Humvees and three trailers.
          Such cases

          I won’t talk about artillery, I don’t know. But I can fully assume that they and the coils with cable are of comparable size.
          By the way, for your information, the TA-57 is a copy of the German Telefunken, model 43, the TK-2 coils have been in service since the 30s without changes, the P-274 cable is the worst copy of the one used in the USSR (without silvering), therefore, it provides inferior quality of communication. This is the kind of progress in communications.
          1. +1
            20 March 2020 14: 46
            Quote: glory1974
            And on the auto base, communication technology




            Questions?


            Quote: glory1974
            TA-57 - a copy of the German "Telefunken" model 43

            Yes?
            Here is an article for you, try to find an analogue of TA-57
            https://wwii.space/средства-проводной-связи-германия/

            By the way, our 58th remained only as a means of communication in the regiment On the nightstands. And then they were partially replaced by the 88th.
            Well, as a standard means of communication, only the 88th
            1. 0
              21 March 2020 00: 08
              "Volga" You of course in vain brought. The case is the past.
              There, also, the transmission speed of the info rolls over, it is difficult to push the transmitted voice through, somehow. But basically, a few telecode short commands.
              In addition to the elemental base, there is also the composition and number of satellite constellation (for us and for them) + reliability and operation in difficult conditions, apparently. Yes, and MTBF with maintainability, I think.
              1. 0
                21 March 2020 15: 22
                Quote: DED_peer_DED
                "Volga" You of course in vain brought. The case is the past.

                Nevertheless, the station exists. And "Volga" is clearly not "Ural"
            2. 0
              23 March 2020 09: 30
              Did you read the performance characteristics of the station presented? 4,8 kbps transfer rate. 1 telephone channel. This is the analogue of a satellite phone.
              Visit the Museum of Artillery, Engineering Troops and Signal Corps in St. Petersburg. At the stand, where the Wehrmacht's captured communications equipment, you will be shown the TA-57, you will be surprised what he is doing here, and then you will be shown the inscription on it, and you will see that it is a telefunken.
  8. +3
    18 March 2020 20: 29
    Ural-4320 10th GRU OBrSpN exploded in a landmine, in the region of Bamut. Chechnya
  9. 0
    18 March 2020 20: 36
    Earlier it was reported that the States agreed with the Taliban. The conclusion can be drawn as follows: a breakthrough of barbarians in the Central Asian "underbelly" of the Russian Federation is expected. Regimes there (some) can quickly fall. It is clear how events will develop further. By the way, the Taliban are not fighting under a contract.
    1. 0
      18 March 2020 21: 09
      It is doubtful that now they will be busy with the inner Kusalov, aka sweet brawl
      1. +4
        18 March 2020 21: 27
        Our last ones left Afghanistan in February 1989
        After 4.5 years, at the 12th outpost of the Moscow border detachment, ours lost 25 out of 48
  10. +3
    18 March 2020 21: 40
    Despite the existing negative experience, I can’t say anything bad about it, they will again be banned. For nizya!
  11. +9
    18 March 2020 23: 20
    On all machines, the sides are raised, or initially made high, which limits the angle of fire. Only Belarusians intelligently done.
    The first campaign was ambushed. ZU-23 on ZIL-131 swept the militants from the hillside, they went down lower and the shells began to fly over them, lower the trunks prevented the side to lower the trunks. We barely fought back then.
    In all the presented photographs, especially armored ones, in the mountains it is impossible to shoot at a negative elevation angle.
    Again, combat experience is not fully taken into account.
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  13. +8
    19 March 2020 00: 50
    Quote: glory1974
    As on booking a great many other special vehicles, the equipment in which is often more expensive than a pair of tanks
    As an example:

    Due to the lack of modern radio-electronic elements, our communication technology is so heavy that the vehicles simply won’t pull the armor.
    For example, our space communications station based on URAL-4320 with a trailer, and sworn friends in a jeep.

    Oh, shaw, right after all, Ural with a trailer? !!! bully
    Hollow-gus

    And by the way, in the old Soviet control room R-441-U Liven-U
    there were two more berths and a separate compartment for the shift on duty!
    Why in the Humvee you can be on duty around the clock in sub-zero temperatures ?!
    1. 0
      19 March 2020 10: 21
      there are satellite communication stations in general in a suitcase.
      Therefore, it is more correct to talk about stations comparable in terms of performance characteristics.
      secondly, sleeping places do not give mass. In a big car, this is a nice bonus.
      thirdly, in "Humvee" they are easily on duty, but no one would even think to be accommodated for an overnight stay, a completely different life support system. They are happy to leave the tent in the car, they are happy to go to the tent or container.
  14. +1
    19 March 2020 03: 26
    Is Russia Zimbabwe? Or is there a total war going on here now, and all normal APCs burned out at the fronts? Why even build and adopt the ersatz? It would be better to design normal armored personnel carriers and self-propelled guns than to rivet these freaks.
    1. -2
      19 March 2020 21: 48
      Then, that normal armored personnel carriers and self-propelled guns are designed for a completely different war (the very same - total war). But for the rebellion they’re not officially building technology, they are trying to adapt the existing one. It turns out badly: it’s too expensive, the reservation is sacrificed for mobility - cross-country ability, the tactics of use are completely different for which the equipment is not designed (for example, a nuclear strike is not delivered to the city before the equipment enters it. Because of this, the enemy infantry does not burn out but it is actively using portable anti-tank weapons, while there are almost no tanks that could carry a nuclear strike and which they were preparing to fight with).
    2. -2
      20 March 2020 00: 35
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      than riveting these freaks

      If, nevertheless, the spirits trample through Turkmenistan, then the "sleeping cells" will cheer up, the cops there will join, and there are no natural barriers to the Ural Mountains. On "Toyota" you can quickly drive to Orenburg and Kubyshev. All hope for nuclear weapons or China is one belt, one hell. In the meantime, "Ural" gondoits these cars: cheap and cheerful. We jumped. Have fun.
  15. sen
    0
    19 March 2020 05: 16
    In Syria, the installation of a 57-mm gun on trucks is popular.
    https://topwar.ru/80645-podelki-siriyskoy-arabskoy-armii-57-mm-zenitnye-pushki-s-60-ustanovlennye-na-puskovye-ustanovki-2k12.html
    Why are we not armed with this?
    1. +1
      20 March 2020 10: 32
      Quote: sen
      Why are we not armed with this?

      because why the heck is not necessary.
  16. 0
    19 March 2020 09: 45
    As a gantrack, ZSU-57-2 is more suitable, although this is not a truck, but what a gun.
    1. +3
      19 March 2020 10: 32
      The car is good, but it’s not in the troops, but there are a lot of ZUShks, and they’re doing what it is.
      For ground targets and Shilka proved to be quite good.
  17. +2
    19 March 2020 10: 28
    There is a need for such machines, it is necessary to undertake to design and produce.
    Experience of "Broom", where the combat module BRM was used.
    Now there is a modernization of the BMP-2 at the Berezhok complex, is it possible to install it in the back of the Urals?
    There was no bad unification
    You can go along the path of the Yuarovites, but it will be a completely different class of cars.
  18. +2
    19 March 2020 16: 53
    Thanks to the author, I read in one breath, because I love this car, well, for my taste, it is the most beautiful, the most brutal, and in general the best good
  19. +2
    20 March 2020 11: 05
    "Bizon", how unforgettable it was in winter ... climate control, foot heating zones, air conditioning, filter ventilation unit, sleeve reflectors, mine-action seats ...
  20. 0
    22 March 2020 19: 49
    It seems to me alone that these machines resemble the famous Ukrainian drug armourers ...
  21. 0
    10 May 2020 11: 36
    well, on the side of Toyota’s hypothetical militants with the same set of weapons, maneuverability and most likely the number, as if exchanging a cart of Ural carts for militants, are not very interesting, there are no advantages, for the regular army this is a compromise, and probably not the best
  22. 0
    7 June 2020 21: 08
    The Urals, trimmed with corners, reminded me of the "great and independent" pepelats.
    Why not take the front of the Typhoon-U, and put a zushka in the back? And it is advisable to remove your hodovka from the gun mount, but add front and rear sheets of armor to protect the calculation. By organizing the mass production of just such gantraks, the army will receive factory-protected, reliable transport, unification with the Typhoons, and the reduction in the price of the same Typhoons.

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