Penza will establish the production of marine diesel engines


The Penzadieselmash plant is undergoing modernization, in which they plan to invest a total of 1,5 billion rubles. The company is part of the Transmashholding group of companies.


The re-equipment of the plant was discussed at a meeting of the Association of Industrialists of the Penza Region, which was held on March 12 at the plant. The head of the region, Ivan Belozertsev, also took part in it.

This was reported by the press service of the government of the Penza region.

Penzadieselmash has been specializing in the production of diesel engines for shunting diesel locomotives for more than half a century. As part of the modernization, it was decided to launch the production of diesel engines for the shipbuilding industry, as well as to master the overhaul of the engines produced by the enterprise.

The plant modernization program is designed for the period from 2018 to 2021 and provides for the technical re-equipment of production with federal support. It is planned to reconstruct several workshops, as well as purchase and install modern high-tech equipment, which makes the company more competitive.

Modernization is carried out taking into account the principles of lean production. It will allow re-equipping the material and technical base of the enterprise and move to a qualitatively new level.
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  1. Zaurbek 16 March 2020 12: 11 New
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    And diesel = marine diesel? Or are these different motors? With the same displacement?
    1. Vasyan1971 16 March 2020 12: 16 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      And diesel = marine diesel? Or are these different motors?

      As part of the modernization, it was decided to launch ALSO production of diesel engines for the shipbuilding industry,

      The nomenclature seems to be expanding. Add production facilities.
      1. Sergey S. 17 March 2020 18: 11 New
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        Quote: Vasyan1971
        The nomenclature seems to be expanding. Add production facilities.

        News. seemingly good, but ...

        What kind of diesel?
        What are its parameters?
        When will they be released?
        Batch size?
        Annual release?
        1. Vasyan1971 17 March 2020 18: 28 New
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          The format of the article, I think, does not imply answers. Why are you interested in? Are you, my friend, a spy? Lazy. Dig, if you really need to ... request
          1. Sergey S. 17 March 2020 19: 20 New
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            Quote: Vasyan1971
            The format of the article, I think, does not imply answers. Why are you interested in? Are you, my friend, a spy? Lazy. Dig, if you really need to ...

            There would be a spy, I would know everything.
            Would be lazy, would read and be delighted.
            I would not know how to dig, I did not know. how to ask.

            Conclusion:
            In the article of information - zero, some obscene promises.
            They have already heard enough ...
            Time will pass and these will be forgotten.

            We need specifics, not agitation.
            1. Vasyan1971 17 March 2020 19: 34 New
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              Quote: Sergey S.
              We need specifics, not agitation.

              In VO? My slippers laughed excitedly! In addition, almost all the articles here - copy-paste from somewhere unknown.
              Quote: Sergey S.
              Time will pass and these will be forgotten.

              In a day, as a rule ...
    2. bogart047 16 March 2020 12: 17 New
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      what's the difference if it's diesel?
      1. Pashhenko Nikolay 16 March 2020 12: 30 New
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        Yes, not small. Marine diesel engines are used only for maneuvers in the port. In marching mode they use heated fuel oil. In addition, basically they are all reverse. Yes and PD1 with a capacity of 1200 hp. at 740 rpm, it’s not enough for any ship to come in handy. Ships are much less speedy. Apparently it’s planned to create something more powerful. But in an enterprise with experience it is certainly easier to do.
        1. roofing hedgehog 16 March 2020 18: 46 New
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          all marine diesel engines were originally designed for a solarium, but after a rise in price, the solariums began to be converted to fuel oil. and it’s not so simple. even low-speed ones ... and marine diesel engines they are different, in terms of power and purpose .. and diesel locomotives stand on the Volga-Balta-g-60 g-80 still stood on whalers, these are medium-speed diesel engines .. so what is it about?
          1. Pashhenko Nikolay 16 March 2020 19: 10 New
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            We are talking about the fact that diesel diesel engines stand only on diesel locomotives and nowhere else. Besides some Kolomenskie recently. And even more so on no Volga-Balta. And the 60s was generally sad with diesel engines. Maximum 2D100 2000l.s .. But this is not for the ship at all. From the strength of one navigation.
            1. roofing hedgehog 18 March 2020 09: 46 New
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              and the same D50 were on ferries at the Kerch crossing. 1964-1986 he repaired them as a young man and took spare parts at the Kerch, Dzhankoy depot ..
    3. maidan.izrailovich 16 March 2020 12: 18 New
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      And diesel = marine diesel? Or are these different motors? With the same displacement?

      On the ship, the torque is not directly transmitted, but through the gearbox. And there are systems like diesel locomotives. Where electricity is generated and electric motors already rotate propeller shafts.
      1. Piramidon 16 March 2020 12: 56 New
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        Quote: maidan.izrailovich
        And there are systems like diesel locomotives. Where electricity is generated and electric motors already rotate propeller shafts.

        It seems that such vessels stood out in a separate category and were called diesel electric ships, unlike motor ships
      2. Grossvater 16 March 2020 13: 59 New
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        Not always. There is a huge layer of low-speed, super-long-range marine diesels. It is they, with their 50 - 90 rpm and a developed system of deep heat recovery, that are the most economical of the existing heat engines today.
        Medium and high-speed diesel engines work with gearboxes. But this is the lot of small or military courts. If we talk about diesel diesels, then we must look at the speed and diameter of the cylinders. It is these parameters that are most difficult to change when mastering new types of engines.
    4. Sky strike fighter 16 March 2020 12: 21 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      And diesel = marine diesel? Or are these different motors? With the same displacement?

      Something like this.
      Diesel engines of the D500 type are four-stroke combined internal combustion engines of the CHN26,5 / 31 dimension with a V-shaped arrangement of cylinders (12, 16 or 20) with gas turbine supercharging and cooling of charge air. Designed for ships, diesel locomotives and power plants, including nuclear. In the marine version, they are designed to work as the main power plant (DRA or DG) for working through a gear transmission to a screw.

      The company also created a new generation of diesel engines D300 of a standard size series CHN26 / 28. They can be used for shipbuilding, locomotive engineering, in nuclear and small energy.

      Depending on the number of cylinders, the new engines of the D500 and D300 ranges cover a power range from 2650 to 7352 kW (3600 and 10 000 hp, respectively). At the same time, diesel engines with a power above 6000 hp are not yet produced in Russia.

      https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3319872.html
    5. cniza 16 March 2020 12: 28 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      And diesel = marine diesel? Or are these different motors? With the same displacement?


      Marine diesel engines, if it is the main engine, they are low-speed, or a gearbox, and this is noise and loss of efficiency.
      1. Kurare 16 March 2020 13: 19 New
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        hi
        Quote: cniza
        Marine diesel engines, if it is the main engine, they are low-speed, or a gearbox, and this is noise and loss of efficiency.

        Marine diesel engines come in three types: low, medium and high speed. Slow-speed are usually used on large vessels and, most often, without gear. They are very durable, but very large. In the USSR, by the way, there were only attempts to create such diesels. As far as I know, the work was not completed due to insufficient funding.

        Medium-speed - the most popular in the Navy. They are used both with a gearbox and as an electric power generator.

        High-speed - also as generators of electricity on small vessels, such as boats.
        1. cniza 16 March 2020 13: 56 New
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          Yeah, thanks for decoding ... hi
        2. Kisa 16 March 2020 20: 18 New
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          Russian Diesel in St. Petersburg was licensed for low-speed Manovo diesel engines. produced 3 pieces a year. then MAN ate B&W in the 90s and they were asked to switch to the production of spare parts, and so far - this is about serious 2-stroke ones. 4-stroke with a gear to the shaft and dynamic Vyartsila Zultser Caterpiller IAC Russian is not allowed on the market
          1. Sergey S. 17 March 2020 17: 53 New
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            Quote: kitty
            Russian diesel in St. Petersburg was licensed for low-speed Manovo diesel engines ...

            Low-speed diesel engines under the B&W license were made in Bryansk. Once this plant produced the most low-speed in Europe. It has been bankrupt for a long time.
            Russky Diesel made medium-speed marine ones - its two-stroke 30/50 dimension and ship DPN 23/2 * 30, then under the Pilstik license (40/46) - there were reliable diesels ... Then they mastered the Vyartsila licenses (22 / 24 and 32/35), they were released in pieces, but they mastered the license ...
            And then Gazprom rolled up a license for dimensionality, if I remember correctly, 23/30 ... We didn’t have time to master it, but because of this we quarreled with the Finns - they took the market (our consumers are very fond of foreign), and Russian Diesel "left without orders. As a result, the bankruptcy of the plant ....
      2. Grossvater 16 March 2020 14: 11 New
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        A low-speed marine diesel engine is a crosshead, it is an extremely long stroke, it is two strokes with the most complicated combined (drive / turbo) purge / boost system. Medium and high-speed marine diesel, this is a tronkovy design and four clock strokes. Most likely turbocharging. With a double action or an RAP, it’s kind of like being tied up now.
        The first option at the diesel locomotive plant just does not start, it is easier to build a new plant.
        1. cniza 16 March 2020 15: 28 New
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          You wrote it right, you can build a plant, but where can you get the engine? especially push-pull, no one will give it ...
      3. orionvitt 16 March 2020 17: 28 New
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        Quote: cniza
        Marine diesel engines, if it is the main engine, they are low-speed. or gear, and this is noise and loss of efficiency.

        But what about the turbines? Turnovers, mom do not cry, under 10000 per minute. And nothing adapted, especially where you need a high speed.
        1. cniza 16 March 2020 17: 35 New
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          Here the topic is about diesels, and turbines through the gearbox, but there is a loss of efficiency and they are used more for afterburner, and the economy is diesel.
          1. orionvitt 17 March 2020 02: 16 New
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            For gas turbine engines, the efficiency is higher than for piston engines (even diesel engines, which are considered very economical). Loss on the gearbox can be neglected. Very clearly, this is explained by the example of helicopters. The example, of course, is not entirely correct, but both there and there, there is a selection and conversion of power.
            1. 16329 17 March 2020 15: 05 New
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              A gas turbine engine for industrial applications (power up to 30 MW), even of aviation origin, has an efficiency of maximum 35-36%
              Piston gas and dual-fuel engines of comparable power (10-20 MW) have an efficiency of 40-42%
              1. orionvitt 17 March 2020 19: 58 New
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                About efficiency, I did not put it correctly, I agree. I meant that gas turbine engines, with a smaller size and weight, develop more power than piston engines. Of course, in the case of ships, dimensions and mass can be neglected, but turbines are still placed on ships. So the game is worth the candle.
            2. Sergey S. 17 March 2020 17: 56 New
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              Quote: orionvitt
              For gas turbine engines, the efficiency is higher than for piston engines (even diesel engines, which are considered very economical). Loss on the gearbox can be neglected. Very clearly, this is explained by the example of helicopters. The example, of course, is not entirely correct, but both there and there, there is a selection and conversion of power.

              GTE has much lower efficiency. than any diesel.
              This is the alphabet.
      4. Sharky 16 March 2020 17: 52 New
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        The gearbox efficiency is around 95%, so the losses there are minimal.
        Many here write that marine ICEs are reversible ... For 15 years of work at sea, I have not seen such (last century). Widely used VRS (adjustable pitch screw). Shifting from full “forward” to full “backward” is much faster.
        The main difference between a marine engine and a diesel engine is marine performance. The engine incorporates design features so that it works without interruptions when rolling at sea. Well, the main systems are duplicated.
        Heavy fuel is also widely discarded in civilian vessels, this is due to the requirements of the international convention on marine pollution from MARPOL ships. It does not apply to warships, but nonetheless. It is known that ICE is developed for fuel, and not vice versa. If they refuse fuel oil, then no one will design ICE for it.
        1. Kisa 16 March 2020 20: 27 New
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          smiled))) on 2-stroke half of them are reversible with a fixed step. In SOLOS requirements - launch from a single balloon without charging 6 times for VRS and 12 times for a fixed one.
          1. Sharky 16 March 2020 23: 49 New
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            Talk about warships, give examples of such with 2-stroke MODs, so as not to go in a different direction. In my time we studied military diesel engines m504 (507), which is water.
            1. Sharky 17 March 2020 00: 54 New
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              But no, I’ve made a mistake, it’s just about ship ICEs.
              Nevertheless, I hardly imagine a 2-stroke MOD on a maneuverable vessel and even with a VFSh. Especially when in our office they are moving with might and main speakers.
              1. Motorist 17 March 2020 01: 47 New
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                What I see around: VFSH and VRSh. More - VFSH. Just shipping ... Maybe, of course, not in that niche of cargo transportation.
          2. Motorist 17 March 2020 00: 16 New
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            Plus for knowledge, however 12 launches (VFSH) with any number of open cylinders.
            1. Sharky 17 March 2020 04: 44 New
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              Why are you all with this starting air ... The only plus from using a VFSH? Throughout the history of his work, he never experienced a problem that there wasn’t enough air to start the engines. It was a couple of times, the fuel rail automation did not allow the RFC to push at startup. But this could happen to you. In general, he worked on a ship with propeller columns and without a starting air system. Both main diesel engines were launched by means of electric starters (it probably sounds like this in Russian) from the bridge. Each main engine is 1500 kW of water. So, starting air is sometimes not needed. hi
              You moored without tugboats on the MOD with the VFSh?
              1. Motorist 17 March 2020 21: 29 New
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                With tugboats. A lot of different factors when choosing a screw and a main engine, right up to the reins under the tail of the customer; but the most important is propulsive efficiency, and, accordingly, fuel consumption.
                1. Sharky 18 March 2020 11: 18 New
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                  With tugs

                  Well, see. We work with you a little in different areas.
                  And about fuel consumption and efficiency - that's right. In our company, they are trying to compensate for the high fuel consumption with a less expensive labor force, increasing the number of natives on board. The qualifications of these “specialists” are, to put it mildly, mediocre, but they have a lower salary and they need to book a ticket to home much less often.
                  drinks
          3. Sergey S. 17 March 2020 17: 59 New
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            Quote: kitty
            launch from one cylinder without charging 6 times for VRS and 12 times for fixed.

            6 times - non-reversible diesel,
            12 times - reverse.
        2. Motorist 16 March 2020 23: 03 New
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          You are mistaken, VRS is far from universal. Two-stroke [with direct transmission to the screw] are usually reversible. And MARPOL does not limit the "severity" of the fuel, but the sulfur content, which is not always the same.
          1. Sharky 17 March 2020 00: 59 New
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            I agree, but you understand, you can use high-sulfur fuel oil with scrubbers. They come in 2 types, open and closed. Open - waste water is thrown overboard and it is already universally forbidden to call at some ports with such installations. Closed, that is, with recirculation of water in a circle - the question arises of the disposal of such water. Can all water be delivered in all ports? Is infrastructure ready everywhere?
            Well, LSHFO is still produced in insufficient quantities. We already have rumors about switching to LNG, although I do not think this is right.
            1. Motorist 17 March 2020 01: 16 New
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              I had no experience with scrubbers, and I don’t want to. For the time being, we are gathering experience on VLSFO: for the most part this is a mixture of MGO and HFO, but there are other options ... LNG is a separate issue altogether: there unburned gas has a very high CO2 equivalent, IMO will also take it soon ...
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                high CO2 equivalent, IMO will take it soon too ...

                But not yet taken. And since many companies live today, and amendments to MARPOL are not so quickly introduced, stretching over the years, companies are trying to forge profits here and now.
                Do not forget that the Baltic and North Sea belong to environmental control zones, where the requirements are even more stringent in terms of emissions ... All this in general pushes us to search for a fuel alternative to HFO. He also had no fuel with scrubbers, but a friend working on “cruisers” who sucked up due to a virus talked about dancing with dances with them smile.
            2. 16329 17 March 2020 15: 11 New
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              Our company MAN Energy Solutions (formerly MAN Diesel and Turbo) produces such engines, they mainly go to LNG carriers, a manufacturer in Korea
    6. Proton 16 March 2020 12: 29 New
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      There, as far as I am aware of the weight distribution of the structure, it is different, for a diesel locomotive it is less critical
    7. tihonmarine 16 March 2020 12: 50 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      And diesel = marine diesel? Or are these different motors?

      Marine engine, it is reversible.
      1. Piramidon 16 March 2020 13: 02 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        Marine engine, it is reversible.

        Not always. If this is a diesel generator, then he does not need a reverse.
    8. svp67 16 March 2020 13: 14 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      Or are these different motors? With the same displacement?

      Essentially different ... materials suitable for sushi in high humidity conditions are not always suitable. There is something else interesting. Marine diesel engines, we have Kolomna, plus Yekaterinburg, Nizhny, Kaspiysk, Barnaul, Balakova and Penza ... it looks like import substitution will be complete. Would rather
      The plant modernization program is designed for the period from 2018 to 2021 and provides for the technical re-equipment of production with federal support.
      And I VERY would like to know what has been done, whether they are in time, and most importantly, which line of engines are going to produce for the ships ...
      In accordance with the master plan of Transmashholding CJSC, it is planned to create a standard range of diesels with aggregate powers from 1000 hp in-line execution at the Penzadieselmash plant and up to 10000 hp in V-shape - at the Kolomensky Zavod.

      In 2008, technical designs for 10000 hp engines V-shaped and 1000 hp in a linear version were successfully protected at the expanded NTM Transmashholding.
      1. tihonmarine 16 March 2020 13: 50 New
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        Quote: svp67
        And I VERY would like to know what has been done, whether they are in time, and most importantly, which line of engines are going to produce for ships

        It is painful to write, but even in Soviet times there was a mass engine for ships, it was 8DR-43/61 at 2000 l / s, and then for the most part the Skoda. I started with it in my wet childhood, and even working on diesel generators 3D-50 and 3D-100. But mostly there were foreign diesel engines. It's time to break this deadlock ..
    9. Tiksi-3 16 March 2020 13: 18 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      And diesel = marine diesel?

      not at all equal ...
    10. Terenin 16 March 2020 13: 19 New
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      Penza will establish the production of marine diesel engines
      Good, quiet economic news, from the times of the USSR, which I personally missed. Good luck, hard workers!
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  2. rocket757 16 March 2020 12: 13 New
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    To expand the range of manufactured products is a big plus for production.
    1. antivirus 16 March 2020 13: 22 New
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      particularly funny about lean manufacturing - Toyota-san came up with massive work for rational work, and here? check "flag" on 10 nuts or flanges will be "put". symbolically.
      For 30 years, the managers could not accustom the slave class to Western methods of work. and in the USSR, peasants were not taught for 50 years their "advanced".
      already approaching comparisons in the historical plan.
      1. rocket757 16 March 2020 13: 37 New
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        The topic is difficult ... in production I had to see everything. How the MASTERS kept the brand and didn’t give anyone a descent, how they drove the plan on December 31 .... there is no one reliable assessment, everything happened.
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          about which we are talking - everything happened ......... and continues.
          it’s a simple matter - I read it out and ordered it to be protected (under the signature, as in the ranks of the SA), but it turned out - it is necessary to educate the generation to a certain MIDDLE level and from this “cp level” select people for work at the Yap level
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            Again it’s difficult / simple. It’s useless for the Japanese, there is a corporate, almost family spirit, has deep historical roots.
            Everything is different with us, in our own way, but it was no less effective, sometimes it occurs! There were MASTERS who taught, guided, corrected .... they are still there, but upstart managers they are across.
            MASTER could teach, because he knew what to teach ....
            The manager is taken to command / teach because .....
  3. bessmertniy 16 March 2020 12: 17 New
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    It is pleasant that our mechanical engineering finds the strength to master the production of diesel engines for ships. It is clear that it is important to achieve a good assortment. These are not several types of diesel for diesel locomotives. We need engines of different power for different ships.
  4. Victor March 47 16 March 2020 12: 18 New
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    Quote: Zaurbek
    And diesel = marine diesel? Or are these different motors? With the same displacement?

    In comparison with the ship, the diesel locomotive is a baby. And second, the nomenclature of ships is huge, in no way comparable to diesel ones. Most likely, the ships will be made for small tonnage ships. A diesel engine with fifty glasses is a special industry; it is not so easy to drop into it. At least there will be clearly little modernization here.
    1. The leader of the Redskins 16 March 2020 12: 26 New
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      It is probably more correct to compare the diesel locomotive with the tank one ...
      1. tihonmarine 16 March 2020 13: 07 New
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        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        It is probably more correct to compare the diesel locomotive with the tank one ...

        Well, they stood on the ships of diesel electric ships, 3D-50, 3D-100, 6CHN-31,8 Power from 1000 l / s to 1800 l / s. They put from 4 to 5 pieces, through the generators on the rowing unit. Well, it worked fine.
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      And the second - the nomenclature of ships is huge, in no way comparable to diesel

      Yeah .. consists of as many as two products now ..
    3. alexmach 16 March 2020 13: 03 New
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      . A diesel engine with fifty glasses is a special industry; it is not so easy to drop into it. At least there will be clearly little modernization here.

      Thank God and what 50 glasses we are not talking about. The enterprise is part of Transmashholding, the Kolomensky Zavod, the manufacturer of 16D49 diesel engines, is also included in this enterprise, and it seems that they will be produced there, plus possibly promising D500s.

      But the news is definitely good. This is the most necessary product for our shipbuilding. But there is a problem - they even talk to him about the gearbox and a test bench ...
  5. Operator 16 March 2020 12: 23 New
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    Penzadiesel - the locomotive of progress laughing
  6. cniza 16 March 2020 12: 25 New
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    As part of the modernization, it was decided to launch the production of diesel engines for the shipbuilding industry, as well as to master the overhaul of the engines produced by the enterprise.


    We gathered for a long time, but better later ...
  7. Alien From 16 March 2020 12: 50 New
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    Good news, if only efficient suction cups didn’t come across the way of organizing production!
  8. Ros 56 16 March 2020 12: 55 New
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    The main thing is good news, and specialists will create a diesel "stone flower" wassat
  9. primaala 16 March 2020 13: 07 New
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    Penzadieselmash Plant Undergoes Modernization
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    Unfortunately, while the GDP was building our borders (army, weapons, etc.), I missed the point - the restoration of “other” facilities (many significant ones). And I do not judge !!! Because I understand that it is impossible to embrace the immensity without support. Support is in favor of Russia. !!! Although I don’t get a salary (for personal planes), I’m sure that when a person appreciates a family and understands why changes are needed, then he will "talk" with whom.
    PS I do not wait for support. Enough if you read the TOT, who are interested to know the opinion of the people of Russia.
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      Quote: primaala
      Because I understand that it is impossible to embrace the immensity without support

      It is impossible without a system. And the “power vertical” created by GDP is absolutely incapable of building a modern state. If the president solves problems in the country in a fire order, then this country has problems.
      1. primaala 16 March 2020 16: 44 New
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        It is impossible without a system
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        ... without the yusupovs !? Clear. You can not answer.
    2. Vladimir61 16 March 2020 14: 51 New
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      Quote: primaala
      PS I do not wait for support. Enough if you read the TOT, who are interested to know the opinion of the people of Russia.

      However, Alla bent! I am interested in the opinion of the people. But, I can not agree that your opinion is the opinion of the whole people.
      1. primaala 16 March 2020 15: 45 New
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        Quote: Vladimir61
        Quote: primaala
        PS I do not wait for support. Enough if you read the TOT, who are interested to know the opinion of the people of Russia.

        However, Alla bent! I am interested in the opinion of the people. But, I can not agree that your opinion is the opinion of the whole people.

        laughing Understand. Maybe you don’t have to think !? Noob! Oh !?
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      Are you again subscribing to all the people of Russia?
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    The development of ICE also requires the development of new modern ICE. No matter how similar the diesel and ship ones are, they all have different requirements, if these are not diesel generators and then they have different operating modes.
    1. oldzek 16 March 2020 18: 13 New
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      Igor agrees that development is needed, but with the rest ... at one time he dealt with 9D diesel engines. I remember they were standing first on submarines, then on surface ships, then they were transferred to the national economy. There were diesel locomotives with these diesel engines.
    2. Kisa 16 March 2020 20: 40 New
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      in the merchant fleet they went very far — a piston of a silicon-coated sleeve ring — they eat asphalt with a density higher than water and heat up to 300 .... although right now with the environment they turn back to light fuel ... up to 40 thousand hours before changing rings. two-stage boost. steam generators. super long 2-stroke. without camshaft with electronic injection ... what locomotive? what is it about?
      1. Motorist 17 March 2020 00: 54 New
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        Pussycat, where did you see 300 ° C - share your experience? I will also share: 40000 rh is not the limit. As for cermet rings, there is no experience yet, but, I think, they will eat bushings - a bad idea. Without a camshaft is also not very: a decrease in reliability, which is intolerable for ship diesel engines (IMHO).
      2. Motorist 17 March 2020 02: 04 New
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        By the way, what do you mean by two-stage boost? Once upon a time everywhere isobaric, blowers - only for small loads.
  11. 23424636 16 March 2020 13: 40 New
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    Transmashholding is a strange company with a blocking (20%) French shareholding. Those. At any time, his activity can be stopped by Alstom. This Uzbek Jew Eskander Makhmudov has already destroyed the largest Lugansk diesel locomotive plant in Europe, working according to Gref’s scheme in Crimea - after all, we are sanctions and the French. If the diesel engine goes to the defense industry what to expect joy other than surprises and sanctions.
    1. Golovan Jack 16 March 2020 13: 55 New
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      Quote: 23424636
      Transmashholding is a strange company with a blocking (20%) French shareholding

      A blocking block of shares is 25% + 1 share.

      Quote: 23424636
      .e. at any time, his activity can be stopped by Alstom

      Even a blocking block of shares does not allow to stop the activities of the enterprise.

      Learn materiel, only then write something.
      1. Elturisto 16 March 2020 17: 25 New
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        There is actually 33% .ALSTOM under the heel of the American GE. In Penza, they are already assembling screwdriver assemblies for the American diesel competitors Kolomensky. Apparently, production of turbochargers will be curtailed in Penza. American companies control this market by 90%.
        1. Golovan Jack 16 March 2020 17: 36 New
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          Quote: ElTuristo
          There's actually 33% .ALSTOM under the heel of American GE

          I think you are mistaken. But even such a block of shares does not provide an opportunity to "stop production" yes

          Quote: ElTuristo
          Penza already conducts a screwdriver assembly of American diesel competitors Kolomenskikh. Apparently, the production of turbochargers in Penza will be phased out

          Are you talking about Penzadieselmash, or what?

          Quote: ElTuristo
          US companies control this market by 90%

          These are just your words, unfortunately ...
          1. Elturisto 17 March 2020 08: 45 New
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            Do you know what a block package is 25% + 1 share and what rights does it give?
            Admire - SP General Electric and Transmashholding CJSC will release the first diesel engines for locomotives in 2017
            https://gudok.ru/news/freighttrans/?ID=1349910
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        1. Golovan Jack 16 March 2020 19: 51 New
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          Quote: 23424636
          Clause 5.1 of Article 49 of the Law of December 26.12, 1995, No. 208 f3 as amended by the Law of June 29.06.2015, 210 No. XNUMX

          Well it is necessary! What does the life-giving internet do ...

          Read also what rights a blocking shareholding gives, and do not write more nonsense a la

          Quote: 23424636
          Transmashholding is a strange company with a blocking (20%) French shareholding. Those. at any time, his activity can be stopped by Alstom

          Hop? wink
  12. Justme 16 March 2020 13: 59 New
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    There is one unpleasant piquancy.
    In Penza, first in the Design Bureau of Turbochargers (late 90s-2006), then at PenzDieselMash (2006-8) I worked on one of my ideas. In fact, it was a reincarnation of the attempt to create the Hyperbar system (over-boosted diesel engines mainly for corvettes, sometimes for tanks). The initial attempt was made at SKBT in the late 80s. The main problem that ruined everything - everything was completely plundered there by the scientific cooperative "Important scientists help officials plunder money." I had an attempt to realize my approach to this idea - in the style of electro-assisted turbocharging diesel engines. Now I am wondering to myself - how can this be done with such microscopic resources. The idea itself proved to be very chic (tests November-December 2005 at the Kolomenskoye Engineering Plant). Fuel efficiency in partial power modes increased by 4.5%. With slightly larger resources, it was possible to demonstrate the military potential of this idea (calculations were made at VNIIZHT around 2004) But! .. The entire Russian Railways grant was spent on a prize for a couple of people in the SKBT leadership ... and that’s all!
    I tried again, but at the Diesel Plant ..
    There at that time there was a fairly adequate General (now he is the Head of the Government of the region ..)
    ... But he gave me as a boss one leader (Chief Power Engineer of Diesel, already in the past). And I can illustrate local customs with the words:
    "... Listen, let's step aside, I’ll explain something to you .. I, as the boss, see our task in that we need to grab this allocated money .. well, the work itself ... and the work itself how to say.. it must fail.. But you have to fail it carefully, so that everything looked as if it weren’t us ...
    and so that they don’t point a finger at us .. "
    By the way, at that time I completed the development of my part of the project (May 2009, electronics and mathematics ..)
    But that leader set a very specific task - to grab everything and fail.
    And he really succeeded.
    Until recently, all this seemed to be a certain story, when suddenly a bell rang:
    ".. Listen, a new movement has begun here .."
  13. pafegosoff 16 March 2020 14: 23 New
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    There was a time on diesel locomotives put diesels from submarines to 3000 hp. TEP-60 had a Kolomna 16-cylinder two-stroke 11D45 diesel engine of the DN23 / 30 series, it seems - redone from a ship. Started, remember with a bright pop and a cloud of black smoke.
  14. 1970mk 16 March 2020 14: 32 New
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    And ZP get hurt))) I do not want to work))))
    https://jobfilter.ru/%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F/%D0%BE%D0%B0%D0%BE-%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%88
  15. Victor March 47 16 March 2020 14: 35 New
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    . A diesel engine with fifty glasses is a special industry; it is not so easy to drop into it. At least there will be clearly little modernization here.

    Thank God and what 50 glasses we are not talking about. The enterprise is part of Transmashholding, the Kolomensky Zavod, the manufacturer of 16D49 diesel engines, is also included in this enterprise, and it seems that they will be produced there, plus possibly promising D500s.

    But the news is definitely good. This is the most necessary product for our shipbuilding. But there is a problem - they even talk to him about the gearbox and a test bench ...

    I think that the tests of the motor will simply be carried out most certainly under the acceptance program. That is, everyone. And without a stand, how to do it? If in an adult, not like boys moped. And without removing the load characteristics can not do. And this, in turn, and gearboxes. It seems like one does not happen without the rest.
  16. Sergei 23 16 March 2020 14: 37 New
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    Good news!
  17. Vladimir Mashkov 16 March 2020 15: 31 New
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    Good news. SUCH news is nice to read and comment on. More to them !!! yes
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    The engines of such plants as Penza, RUMO, Kolomna have no prospect in the commercial fleet market. This market is shared by large multinational companies. We will not compare the technical level. The domestic market is not significant. For the foreign market, in addition to reputation, high reliability and efficiency, the main thing is to have a service network for the repair and supply of spare parts. The only way to stay on the market is to produce licensed engines from leading global companies. A good example is the production of MOD in the USSR under the B&W license at BMZ.
    1. abc_alex 21 March 2020 01: 46 New
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      Quote: IMS
      The engines of such plants as Penza, RUMO, Kolomna have no prospect in the commercial fleet market. This market is shared by large multinational companies.

      Therefore, I consider it justifiable to concentrate the production of marine diesel engines at one enterprise specially tailored for small-scale production of a wide range of engines. And develop motors with scalability. To spray production on a heap of productions, each of which has one motor, is a mistake. Market logic in this case, you just need to forget.
  19. Voron7 16 March 2020 16: 22 New
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    Great news for Monday! I would like only more details and specifics, so that such news would have the most substantial weight, credibility, or something. When they simply report one digit and there are no details, there remains a feeling of understatement, distrust of the news, or something.
    As a sample - you can bring this article:
    https://topwar.ru/163971-v-uljanovske-sobrali-chetvertyj-s-nachala-goda-voenno-transportnyj-il-76md-90a.html

    Clearly, specifically, with tables:


    I looked at the chart, what do we have there? Almost April, the first quarter of 2020? So sir! And what are the numbers? So after all! Two new IL-76MD-90As have already been commissioned only this year (15.01.2020/09.03.2020/08.05.2020 and another XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX) and another one is being completed on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, just in time for Victory Day! And it’s warm from the soul and everything is according to plan, which means stability.
    Of course, it’s good that the Penzadieselmash plant is undergoing modernization, in which they plan to invest a total of 1,5 billion rubles. They will master the money, report on the work and activities carried out. Here are just marine diesel engines - they are unlikely to be, but, as in sports, it is not victory that is important, but participation. And, of course - the development of money and the coverage of this in the news ... for those who still believe this news.
  20. Andrei Nikolaevich 16 March 2020 16: 49 New
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    How many was on fishing boats, everywhere diesel-, Volvo, in the Navy also has almost such a picture? .. Are there any surface guards here? .. Can they explain? ..
    1. Crimean partisan 1974 16 March 2020 22: 39 New
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      The Navy also has almost such a picture? .. Are there any submarines here? ..... is there, the Navy is all different and with different power plants, we had a giant 9DKRN. (they laughed at the fact that it is possible to rotate the rods on the rods), but on the project 956 gas turbines, on missiles of the project 205 up to 4 diesel engines of the 10D20 type, there are versions in the twin-engine version, too ... everything is different and a lot of things
      1. alexmach 17 March 2020 00: 02 New
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        but on the project 956 gas turbines

        Oh, if only.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974 17 March 2020 11: 03 New
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          Oh, if ..... any doubts crept in?
          1. alexmach 17 March 2020 11: 09 New
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            Is the boiler turbine unit a gas turbine?
            1. Crimean partisan 1974 17 March 2020 11: 18 New
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              Is a boiler-turbine unit a gas turbine? ..... and since when has steam been considered non-gas, there are four aggregate states of matter, perhaps that's all. I didn’t say that in the turbines of the project 956 plasma ,,. gas is said, and therefore it doesn’t matter that it is rotated by CO2 or H2O
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich 17 March 2020 07: 09 New
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        Crimean partisan, thanks for the consultation. True, from everything I understood only ,, payols ,,) I wanted to ask, were the diesel engines domestic and how reliable were they?
        1. Crimean partisan 1974 17 March 2020 11: 00 New
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          I wanted to ask, were the diesel engines domestic and how reliable were they? ..... DKRN line during SevMashevskaya, reliability ... the installed ones plowed for 50 years or more. an urgent period passed to PSK Donbass KChF, it was written off as the first of PSB in 1994, unfortunately not on the go. that is, it has been driving for 40 years and the rest have been furrowing for at least 20 years, at the expense of 10D20 diesel engines. projects for this diesel engine have also been plowing for 40 years. that is, reliability on the face of tyk skat, at the expense of turbines ... I don’t know, I only know that it’s ship turbines that were produced throughout the Union and of course the collapse of ....
  21. ultra 16 March 2020 17: 20 New
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    without the yusupovs !?

    I did not write anything about the Yusupov princes. wassat
  22. Elturisto 16 March 2020 17: 20 New
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    They are not going to establish anything there. There will be a screwdriver assembly of GE.Hozyan Penzy-TMX diesel engines, a Dutch office, which is controlled by ALSTOM.
  23. 23424636 16 March 2020 19: 59 New
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    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: 23424636
    Transmashholding is a strange company with a blocking (20%) French shareholding

    A blocking block of shares is 25% + 1 share.

    Quote: 23424636
    .e. at any time, his activity can be stopped by Alstom

    Even a blocking block of shares does not allow to stop the activities of the enterprise.

    Learn materiel, only then write something.

    Yes, you also need to look a little at paragraph 5.1 of Article 49 of the Law of December 26.12.1995, 28 No. 3-f29.06 as amended by the Law of June 2015, 210 No. 3 f-75, which allows the charter to change the number of votes for making decisions more than 80%. Those. it is permissible that there is a figure of 1% plus XNUMX share. That will allow the French to do their politics. in a strategic industry for Russia.
    1. Grossvater 16 March 2020 21: 44 New
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      The main thing is that the plant, equipment and specialists should be located in Russia, and leave interest and other nonsense to fans of leglislomaniya. Everywhere, all over the world, they spit on such trifles, when it comes to strategically important industries, from the top shelf.
      The friggs will start to talk ... In general, they will be happy to sell their stake at the appointed price.
      In the whole world, how should it be different in Russia?
      By type of diesel engine. In the class of heavy multi-resource machines, ultra-long-running (up to 1/7) milk-rotary two-stroke machines reign supreme. Monsters with a pot diameter of up to a meter and a stroke, respectively, up to seven meters.
      This is Varsille, MAN-B & W, FIAT are still Koreans and Japanese. This market does not fit. Remain medium and high-speed.
  24. Old Michael 16 March 2020 22: 53 New
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    The plant modernization program is designed for the period from 2018 to 2021 and provides for the technical re-equipment of production with federal support. It is planned to reconstruct several workshops, as well as purchase and install modern high-tech equipment

    Today there is a lot of news with an Estonian accent.