Khrunichev Center told about the fate of Proton-M missile launches after marriage

Detection of low-quality components in the Proton rocket, which was supposed to launch Express communications satellites into orbit, will not interfere with the continuation of launch campaigns. The Khrunichev Center is committed to providing launch vehicles for all launches planned for this and next year.

This statement was made by the Director General of the company Alexei Varochko in an interview with RIA News.

For launching campaigns, there will be enough "Protons" that are already manufactured or are in the production stage.

Information about defective parts appeared on March 10. The Roscosmos State Corporation, together with the Center for the Operation of Terrestrial Space Infrastructure Facilities, during a quality check of the Proton-M rocket, which they planned to use to put the Express-80 and Express-103 communications satellites into orbit, was found to be defective. Nonconforming requirements turned out to be bolts of fastening of pipelines of the second stage. They decided to fix the problem at the launch site, at the Baikonur cosmodrome, and not return the launch vehicle to Moscow.

The pair launch of the Express satellites due to the detection of defective parts was decided to be postponed from March to the end of May.

Comments

[slipped]

They will replace the bolts. The launch of this media at the end of May. Everything will be fine. Checks for new equipment are ongoing.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: slipped

They will replace the bolts. The launch of this media at the end of May. Everything will be fine.

Yes, I would like to.

[Shurik70]

What was delayed for two and a half months, this, of course, is strange.
Perhaps from the fact that the full cycle of re-verification will be.
But I am glad that the check works qualitatively.
I hope that measures will be taken to punish the perpetrators and prevent further marriage.

[bessmertniy]

I am glad that in the country there are good bolts. The sad thing is that defective for good will change for more than two months.

[Boratsagdiev]

Apparently many need to be replaced in hard-to-reach places.
Another question is what they were made of and who?! ...
not Chinese or from your favorite silumin ...

[bessmertniy]

Well, God forbid. The main thing is that they screw it well into these inaccessible places.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: bessmertniy

I am glad that in the country there are good bolts.

A good "bolt", but with an adequate thread, is always good.

[Den717]

Quote: bessmertniy

The sad thing is that defective for good will change for more than two months.

There is also such a thing - a temporary launch window or "start window". Maybe this is the point?

[Old Michael]

The sad thing is that defective for good will change for more than two months.

Of course, sad. And then it would be possible to put a bunch of bad bolts on some crazy ideas in the third decade of April!

[Invoce]

Military acceptance on top! For effective managers, the main thing is profit! And meetings on the approval of "road maps". Naturally, the salary of effective managers is also important! The state order is important, and everything else, including the result, is how it will turn out. Only final acceptance of products, incl. Military acceptance will reduce the number of rejects!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

So military representatives seem to be taking it like that, aren't they?

[AUL]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

So military representatives seem to be taking it like that, aren't they?

Accept ... So you have to whistle with a whistle those receivers who missed this marriage and kicked out a wolf ticket from the industry! So that, finally, there is responsibility for their affairs.

[knn54]

In "due time" the bunglers were equated with saboteurs, during the Second World War they were saboteurs. It helped a lot. I'll tell you a real story.
A non-working device comes from Baikonur. They called the PZ (the Customer's representative) to the stand, that is, the military representative. The essence of the "malfunction" is as follows - the contacts on the connectors were almost black.
The installer washed it with alcohol and it worked. They say that there were no showdowns at the spaceport — Gorbachev’s times, however.
By plane send the device from Kazakhstan to Ukraine and back to spend several minutes on cleaning. Impressive, is not it.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: knn54

The essence of the "malfunction" is as follows - the contacts on the connectors were almost black.

And how did the gold-plated contacts turn out to be "almost black"?
It looks like a "excuse".

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Invoce

Military acceptance on top!

Well, it was discovered already in Baikonur! And where was she at the Khrunichev Center committed to?
I don’t know how it is organized and whether it carries out quality control of all components, but there are specific employees of the Quality Control Department, supply and sales departments ... Here you need to start "chopping tails" - positions, qualifications, salaries and bonuses.
And then, the director of the Center reported .. but are there any personnel decisions? No, so the director does not belong there!

[slipped]

Quote: bessmertniy

I am glad that in the country there are good bolts. The sad thing is that defective for good will change for more than two months.

Why "more than two months?" Less. The launch was previously scheduled for March 31st. They will be replaced during April, and the rest of the time will be spent on preparing the carrier.

[rocket757]

QUESTION - Where did the marriage come from? After all, this is the space industry, all the same, the most, when it was !!!

[cniza]

All the problems are in the heads, from there and marriage, until the heads start to "cut" nothing will change ...

[Boratsagdiev]

One cannot get away with a "wheelhouse", here a "system" is needed.
Starting from education in kindergartens and ending with responsibility at the workplace.

[cniza]

This system can not even be invented, but restore the one that was, bringing it to a new time ...

[Boratsagdiev]

Well, this takes time and desire ...
and this is not even observed on the horizon.
"there are only kings and priests in their heads"

[cniza]

Money there and other benefits, but not success in work ...

[Doctor]

QUESTION - Where did the marriage come from?

They also announced the closure of production at Fili. People slowly began to hammer in to work.

[rocket757]

Incredible, but obvious ... nothing is interesting to these managers .... un not familiar with other concepts than profit.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

For almost 30 years, the industry has been in poverty. Everything will be fine. The road will be overpowered by a walker.

[slipped]

Quote: rocket757

QUESTION - Where did the marriage come from? After all, this is the space industry, all the same, the most, when it was !!!

Where from? Order from another manufacturer. Yes, and "when that was" is also in every way, just not advertised on the Internet. The main thing is that it was discovered before the launch and there is an opportunity to fix it.

[rocket757]

Everything happened ... but the crayfish were 3 rubles each and the foam on the beer was thicker!

[Boratsagdiev]

but the draft is still sometimes diluted)

[rocket757]

Wow! There was no beer, one foam! That’s why I didn’t like it before ... now it’s a choice for every taste and color, but crayfish are no longer three rubles each and it’s sad.

[Boratsagdiev]

beer lovers minus
"Comrades" are snobs and sofa specialists!
I did not just find that time, but lived in that period.
You won’t believe it, but you even used beer vending machines (some of them are probably out of the ordinary).

[rocket757]

Quote: BoratSagdiev

You won’t believe it, but you even used beer vending machines (some of them are probably out of the ordinary).

I believe there were WINE automatic machines, oil from automatic machines was poured, and others. Other.

Quote: BoratSagdiev

beer lovers minus

It's hard to say who exactly ... from just personal "fans" to those who are for and those who are against ... in short, pof.

Quote: BoratSagdiev

"Comrades" are snobs and sofa specialists!
I did not just find that time, but lived in that period.

There is a category of people who like to argue about the "taste of bananas, with those who ate them!"

[ultra]

The bolts will be replaced, only the industry can no longer be saved. Our entire so-called space program is in a coma.

[slipped]

Quote: ultra

The bolts will be replaced, only the industry can no longer be saved. Our entire so-called space program is in a coma.

Are you talking about? Where are the facts? There is an ongoing federal space program that is being implemented. For example, today the launch of the next Glonass-M No. 60 according to plan.

And these are new communication satellites with an active life of 15 years, which should be launched in May:

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: slipped

There is an ongoing federal space program that is being implemented.

Ugums, ogums. Performed. What's up with moon 25? What year was supposed to fly away? IN 2014? In what year did the Swedes get out of the program? Realizing that if it flies, then not tomorrow and not this decade? By the way, they did fly away with the Chinese. What year was the launch delayed again?
Moon 25 brilliantly shows the situation in Roscosmos. What is cut in the depressed USSR - flies. What is being done in prosperous Russia is planned for flight.

[slipped]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Ugums, ogums. Performed. What's up with moon 25? What year was supposed to fly away? IN 2014? In what year did the Swedes get out of the program? Realizing that if it flies, then not tomorrow and not this decade? By the way, they did fly away with the Chinese. What year was the launch delayed again?

"Once again" was already two years ago. Since then, the launch has been scheduled for a new astronomical window - in 2021. In general, there are three launches to the Moon according to the plan for the current federal space program. The device, which Switzerland did not supply to the Moon-25, was replaced with a domestic analogue.

Quote: Lannan Shi

Moon 25 brilliantly shows the situation in Roscosmos. What is cut in the depressed USSR - flies. What is being done in prosperous Russia is planned for flight.

Meanwhile, the Spectr-RG astrophysical observatory, located at the L2 Lagrange point, sent new scans of the starry sky

This is a map in galactic coordinates, obtained after three months of viewing the sky with the ART-XC telescope of the Spectrum RG observatory. The map contains all the events recorded during this period in the energy range of 4-12 keV.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: slipped

"Once again" was already two years ago.

And what is in quotes? 3 or 4 transfers. So it’s not the next one, but the next one.

Quote: slipped

Meanwhile, the Spectr-RG astrophysical observatory, located at the L2 Lagrange point, sent new scans of the starry sky

Why not send it? Spectrum was derived by Proton, the sixty-wise year of the sample. The ability to launch what was launched half a century ago is not a reason for violent rejoicing.
By the way. Lunokhod 1 lunched 8 or 9 years after the start of the project. The moon 25, even in theory, will not moon before its 17th anniversary. Those. in the conditions of technology of the 21st century, the Russian Federation completely loses to the USSR, which has recently left the war.
Dixi.

[slipped]

Quote: Lannan Shi

And what is in quotes? 3 or 4 transfers. So it’s not the next one, but the next one.

No, the station would have been ready last year, but they didn’t have time to deliver the devices. Now they are undergoing tests, after - installation on a flight product. Run according to plan.

Quote: Lannan Shi

Why not send it? Spectrum was derived by Proton, the sixty-wise year of the sample. The ability to launch what was launched half a century ago is not a reason for violent rejoicing.

Firstly, the Proton-M launch vehicle has been produced since 2001 and has already passed four stages of modernization since that time. Secondly, the station itself is a new Russian development based on the Navigator platform, which is successfully used in other products. For example, in the Electro-L spacecraft, which are on the GSO and regularly send photos of our planet every half hour:

Quote: Lannan Shi

By the way. Lunokhod 1 lunched 8 or 9 years after the start of the project. The moon 25, even in theory, will not moon before its 17th anniversary. Those. in the conditions of technology of the 21st century, the Russian Federation completely loses to the USSR, which has recently left the war.

By the way, huge money was spent on the lunar program of the USSR. For example, out of 11 launched third-generation stations for the return of lunar soil, only three successfully sat on the moon (!) And completed their work. Russia cannot afford to lose a comparable number of landing stations , therefore, carefully preparing to land on the moon with the first device.

[ultra]

The fact of the matter is that the "current". It flows to the right all the time. Where is our new manned manned vehicle, when was it supposed to fly? What about the promising launch vehicles? How many scientific spacecraft have we brought out in thirty post-Soviet years?

[slipped]

Quote: ultra

The point is that the "current". It flows to the right all the time.

Where to the right, if it is before 2025? The last important launch in it is the Spectr-UF astrophysical observatory, scheduled for October 23, 2025.

Quote: ultra

Where is our new manned, when did he have to fly?

In 2021, from the Vostochny cosmodrome, postponed to 2023 after the launch of the second stage was ready, the start of construction of which was delayed, Spetsstroy let down. Now construction is proceeding at an accelerated pace.

Quote: ultra

What is there with promising launch vehicles?

The "Angara" launch vehicle is preparing for the next flight test at Khrunichev. Parts of the promising Soyuz-5 launch vehicle are being tested, the launch vehicle is launched in 2023 when the SC of site 45 at Baikonur or SL is ready. The preliminary design of the carrier with LNG engines is being worked out and work has begun on the creation of an ultralight reusable rocket on the Wing-SV theme.

Quote: ultra

How many scientific spacecraft did we derive in thirty post-Soviet years?

A lot of. And even more scientific instruments were displayed on various spacecraft of both domestic and foreign production.

[Justme]

To understand the situation at key enterprises and research institutes, it is highly desirable to have a system of informal scientific and technical audit, .. or supervision if you want. I worked for a long time at the Space Research Institute (NIIFI Penza). On the one hand - there has always been a fact - an informer-on-informer, but when everyone drives hack there, all this army of informers is silent in a rag.
But there one could write a paper - how and at what stages the whole surrounding public drives hack work, how defective design decisions are laid and the like.

[UA3QHP]

Quote: JustMe

I worked for a long time at the Space Research Institute (NIIFI Penza). On the one hand - there has always been a fact - an informer-on-informer, but when everyone drives hack there, all this army of informers is silent in a rag.

Creepy office. And what products fail-safety test did not pass?
If passed, then why "defective design solutions". There are no limits to perfection.

[Justme]

For example, there is such a parameter - temporary instability.
They made a sensor that goes into the missile control loop. This sensor is honestly tuned, it takes a long time to tinker with, but tuners begin to have a slight psychosis in a couple of weeks. The reason is simple - the thin-film technologies used are not stable (they can be stable if the whole technological process is extremely thoroughly debugged). If you tighten the setting and change, the parameters will shift and possibly go out of tolerances. But in time this is - a couple of weeks and let's say - now they have skipped, and then what?

[UA3QHP]

Do they pass periodic tests? There should be a reliability test section. After which all parameters are measured again and this is not two weeks.

[Justme]

Chic question.
Here in a private company - if there is any such problem - a person is singled out (in a number of areas, for example, "black magic" - me). Well, you go and informally explore everything.
If this is necessary - then "armed to the teeth." If at the same time you do not like someone, in principle, you can fire them (there has been enough threat so far). It is necessary to collect a consultation - you collect a consultation (or others may call) .. But how they try to ensure quality at the Research Institute of Physics and Engineering is mysticism for me.

[UA3QHP]

thanks for the info

[itarnmag]

It doesn’t fit in my head

[Lord of the Sith]

Thank God that they discovered on time. And God forbid an accident, but Proton has very toxic fuel and oxidizer.

[Ros 56]

And when will the breeders be put on the wall?

[Nelepost]

The essence is not disclosed in the article. What was the defect of the bolts, the fact that they did not have a quality certificate, or the bolts were of the wrong brand that according to the project, I mean that maybe the paper was simply not needed for "compliance" and so they are suitable in quality. Somehow it happened that due to certificates, acceptance, tests, etc. (which poured into a huge amount for the manufacturer) they could not supply modern equipment, and as a result, they supplied equipment created back in the 70s, several times heavier and much less efficient in terms of efficiency, but at that time it passed military acceptance.

[UA3QHP]

It is unlikely that the assembled product and delivered to the customer could visually determine the discrepancy in the quality of the bolts. Most likely there were no corresponding supporting papers.

[ultra]

Quote: slipped

A lot of.

Then I’ll tell you myself, as many as 13 apparatuses, including international ones, 3 of which ended in failure. That is, Russia launched spacecraft of scientific designation once in TWO years. And is that a lot?

[ultra]

Quote: slipped

Where to the right, if it is before the year 2025?

Well, she’s now until she’s 25, then it will flow over, what happens to us with frightening constancy, until she’s 30.

[pexotinec]

This is what quality control failure means. Vendors must be punished severely, especially their management

[slipped]

Quote: ultra

Quote: slipped

A lot of.

Then I’ll tell you myself, as many as 13 apparatuses, including international ones, 3 of which ended in failure. That is, Russia launched spacecraft of scientific designation once in TWO years. And is that a lot?

Oh, and let's count all the spacecraft for fundamental scientific research launched by Russia, both domestic and foreign, not counting communication satellites, remote sensing and hydrometeorology, etc.:

01. October 8, 1993 - Photon-8 - successfully
02. March 2, 1994 - Coronas-I - successfully
03. June 14, 1994 - Photon-9 - successfully
04. February 16, 1995 - Photon-10 - successfully
March 05, 28 - Unamsat A - successfully
06. May 20, 1995 - the Spectrum module - successfully
07. August 2, 1995 - Interball-1 - successfully
08. August 29, 1996 - Interball-2 - successfully
09. November 16, 1996 - Mars-96 - accident of the Republic of Belarus
10. December 24, 1996 - Bion-11 - successfully
11. October 16, 1997 - Photon-11 - successfully
12. September 9, 1999 - Photon-12 - successfully
13. July 16, 2000 - Samba, Salsa - successfully
14.August 9, 2000 - Rumba, Tango - successfully
15. February 20, 2001 - Odin - successfully
16. July 31, 2001 - Coronas-F - successfully
March 17, 14 - Grace 2002, Grace 1 - successfully
18. October 15, 2002 - Photon-M1 - launch vehicle accident
19.October 17, 2002 - Integral - successfully
20. June 2, 2003 - Mars-Express - successfully
21. January 20, 2005 - Universitetskiy - Tatyana - successfully
22.October 8, 2005 - CryoSat - successfully
23.November 9, 2005 - Venus-Express - successfully
24. May 31, 2005 - Photon-M2 - successfully
25 December 27, 2006 - Corot - successfully
26. September 14, 2007 - Photon-M3 - successfully
27. January 30, 2009 - Coronas-Photon - successfully
March 28, 17 - Goce - Successfully
29. November 10, 2009 - Search module - successfully
30. July 18, 2011 - Spektr-R - successfully
31. November 8, 2011 - Phobos-Grunt - accident of the spacecraft RB
32. April 19, 2013 - Bion-M1 - successfully
33 December 19, 2013 - Gaia - successfully
34. July 19, 2014 - Photon-M4 - successfully
35. March 14, 2015 - ExoMars-2016 - successfully
36. April 28, 2016 - Lomonosov - successfully
37.July 13, 2019 - Spektr-RG - successfully
38. December 18, 2019 - Cheops - successfully

Those. about 40 spacecraft were launched, not counting any small-sized satellites, experimental military spacecraft, and scientific containers mounted on remote sensing satellites. In addition, our scientific instruments were installed on foreign AMS not launched by us.

[slipped]

Quote: ultra

Quote: slipped

Where to the right, if it is before the year 2025?

Well, she’s now until she’s 25, then it will flow over, what happens to us with frightening constancy, until she’s 30.

What will flow over there? There are plans for the next FKP, but there are other spacecraft.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: knn54

In "due time" the bunglers were equated with saboteurs, during the Second World War they were saboteurs. It helped a lot. I'll tell you a real story.
A non-working device comes from Baikonur. They called the PZ (the Customer's representative) to the stand, that is, the military representative. The essence of the "malfunction" is as follows - the contacts on the connectors were almost black.
The installer washed it with alcohol and it worked. They say that there were no showdowns at the spaceport — Gorbachev’s times, however.
By plane send the device from Kazakhstan to Ukraine and back to spend several minutes on cleaning. Impressive, is not it.

If these connectors were silver-plated contacts, blackening is a normal and explainable phenomenon. The coating blackens due to sulfur contaminants in the air. Such a coating is the most crappy.