Called "privatization": is it time to remember the privatization of the nineties

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The recent decision of the Hague Court of Appeal, which again insisted on paying the shareholders of the scandalous Yukos company enormous amounts of compensation for violation of their rights by the Russian authorities (supposedly), gives rise to certain doubts. However, they do not appear regarding the legality of decisions of domestic law enforcement and judicial authorities regarding those who brazenly robbed the country through front-line offshore companies, but was it worth it to limit the “analysis” of the results of more than ambiguous privatization of the 90s by Yukos alone?

According to thematic sociological surveys, 80-90% of Russians consider the privatization unjust and illegitimate. No wonder the people dubbed it "privatization." However, no one hid that this is not about honesty. Anatoly Chubais, the “father,” the mastermind and organizer of privatization in the country, subsequently honestly admitted that the goal was not so much building capitalism as preventing the Communists from returning to power in the 1996 elections, which would lead to a halt in the work of the reformer team in the country's collapse. “The choice was between gangster capitalism and gangster communism, so we chose ...” These are his own words. You can’t tell more honestly ...



The industrial and mining giants sold for mere pennies, what was it? "Creating conditions for entrepreneurship" or is it still wrecking, outright robbery? The vast majority of these and other objects went into private hands at prices that did not closely match their real value. About potential - and nothing to say. Amounts are openly announced today: the state budget received 2 trillion rubles (about $ 60 billion) from this whistle. The cost of being put under the hammer of the state and public property was underestimated dozens of times. As a result, the treasury missed 1,5 trillion in relying on privatization. dollars. This is not to mention the fact that the country's industrial and economic potential was dropped to the level of the 60s.

"Voucher privatization" was the original deception of the population. Everything was built in such a way that all the “certificates” generated by it, using which yesterday’s Soviet citizens had to “take and share” (and to be honest) everything that they and their fathers and grandfathers had created and defended for decades, naturally turned into a pile of empty pieces of paper. Well, as for the so-called collateral auctions, as a result of which the most expensive and attractive objects of state property have sailed to the dexterous dealers, there is no need to guess. Everything was played out as if on notes - commercial banks credited the government on the security of the same Lukoil, Norilsk Nickel or Yukos. It wasn’t just a loan, but a veiled sale at extremely low prices - nobody was going to give “debts”, the amounts for this were not even laid down in the state budget.

Today, the market value of pennies for enterprises and companies has grown by orders of magnitude. For example, Norilsk Nickel, bought for $ 170 million, is now worth 13 billion in the same currency. There is a price increase of 76 times! What to do about it? Incidentally, the "Yukos affair" sets an excellent precedent. Isn’t it time to admit not only what has been going on around this particular company for many years, but also the entire privatization of the 90s? Declare illegal at least collateral auctions, review the results of at least the most egregious deals, during which the state and people were deceived in a completely unimaginable way?

It is unlikely that anyone in the Kremlin will go to the complete abolition of “privatization” - by its results this decision will be tantamount to a new 1917 year. It is unlikely that they even dare to demand payment from their new owners for their property not at an understated price, but at a real price at the time of purchase. Nevertheless, from a legal, political, and even purely moral point of view, this would be more than justified. Not to mention how Russia's budget would have been replenished.
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  1. +31
    16 March 2020 07: 46
    It is unlikely that anyone in the Kremlin will go to the complete abolition of “privatization” - by its results this decision will be tantamount to a new 1917 year. It is unlikely that they even dare to demand payment from their new owners for their property not at an understated price, but at a real price at the time of purchase. Nevertheless, from a legal, political, and even purely moral point of view, this would be more than justified. Not to mention how Russia's budget would have been replenished.

    In the Kremlin, and the privatizers are sitting .. how will they cancel themselves ..
    1. +12
      16 March 2020 07: 51
      I wanted to find a song
      "give me a voucher-voucher ..."
      so hacks all searches !!! Blame it all ... red hell! And here I extended my horns-hooves! Now you have to brush off the smell of sulfur!
      1. +6
        16 March 2020 07: 59
        I keep as a historical memory of Stupidity, a couple of "vouchers" ... "rip-off fund"
        1. +5
          16 March 2020 08: 09
          Quote: Aerodrome
          I keep as a historical memory of Stupidity, a couple of "vouchers" ... "rip-off fund"

          and "vaska" .... tf, "saffron milk", listens yes ... cleans up his tails.
          1. +21
            16 March 2020 08: 44
            It is unlikely that anyone in the Kremlin will go to cancel completely "Privatization"

            The Kremlin will not go for a complete or partial cancellation. Putin said that the abolition of privatization will not be.

            according to its results, this decision will be tantamount to the new 1917.

            These scarecrows have already heard a thousand times. But if the Kremlin decides for itself to pinch the oligarchs, then no one will utter a word, but the people will simply have a holiday. Remember how they robbed the same Khodorkovsky (brothers Magomedov, Gusinsky, Berezovsky, Chichvarkin ...), something that didn’t frighten the revolutionary never happened.
            1. +5
              16 March 2020 10: 52
              Kremlin tightens the nut - but somehow slowly (!)
              - prescription for crimes in the economy, Medvedev has also canceled
              - well, though, taxes began to pay
              - Well, at least, they pay salaries in white, up to 600 thousand rubles. 43,2%, from 1 million rubles. 29%
              - all cached chopped off FZ-115
              - interdependent companies (layers) are charged with VAT and NP = 40%
              - SRO has been brought to mind, now without experience and turnover (a large deal) you won't get a bank guarantee and "you won't build a house"
              * SRO - admission to work for 10 billion rubles. - put 8 million rubles. to the compensation fund
              - RNP (registry of unscrupulous suppliers), traffic lights in banks
            2. 0
              16 March 2020 11: 50

              The Kremlin will not go for a complete or partial cancellation. Putin said that there would be no cancellation of privatization.

              Is this not a reason to go to the polls and correctly vote?
              1. +20
                21 November 2020 15: 32
                We walk, vote, choose, but the result is always the same. The winners are not those for whom we vote.
          2. +6
            16 March 2020 09: 35
            Have a nice day, Victor! hi Never do the owners of parokhrd newspaper factories recognize the source of their wealth as illegal! On the contrary, only kind words about EBN, about democracy of the 90s ....
            Quote: rocket757
            Quote: Aerodrome
            I keep as a historical memory of Stupidity, a couple of "vouchers" ... "rip-off fund"

            and "vaska" .... tf, "saffron milk", listens yes ... cleans up his tails.
            1. +7
              16 March 2020 10: 08
              Hi Dmitry soldier
              This is their power, as it organized into a dashing - 90 gold, it continues ... the gloss was added and the burgundy jackets were reduced ... and everything else was like that then.
              1. +5
                16 March 2020 10: 14
                Quote: rocket757
                Hi Dmitry soldier
                This is their power, as it organized into a dashing - 90 gold, it continues ... the gloss was added and the burgundy jackets were reduced ... and everything else was like that then.
                Over the years, a whole class has been formed, "" worthy of luxury "" ((I forgot the name of who said it recently)) toothy class
                1. +3
                  16 March 2020 10: 21
                  These goats l l l have appropriated a lot of "what they deserve". This is a natural process of cutting off.
                  1. +3
                    16 March 2020 10: 28
                    It seems that in the 90s they did everything slowly, without declaring themselves masters openly? And now they’re talking about their status and right
                    1. +2
                      16 March 2020 10: 42
                      Thriving to zz spiteful, you can not say anything else.
            2. -3
              16 March 2020 11: 52
              ... never the owners of the parochryd newspaper factories recognize the source as illegal ...

              Do you think that in 1917 someone asked about the sources of income?
              When everything is clear already, questions are superfluous.
              And it's time to get up from the sofas, and not cry in a vest. As many here love.
          3. +1
            16 March 2020 09: 40
            and "vaska" .... tf-u, "redhead", listens

            Interestingly, but Chubais has not yet accepted Judaism there, like Kudrin? ))))
            1. +4
              16 March 2020 10: 09
              Go check now ... these frames are fenced off from everyone. they have everything on the ointment.
            2. 0
              16 March 2020 13: 46
              So he did not refuse. 2nd time to take him or what? :)
          4. +4
            16 March 2020 10: 50
            The best way to remember privatization is to nationalize!
            Of course not with this power, but with the people.
            1. 0
              16 March 2020 11: 57
              Of course not with this power, but with the people.

              So clear the stump ....
              Only for this it is necessary to participate more actively in the political life of the country. And we have more and more fighters on the Internet with "windmills".
              1. +1
                17 March 2020 13: 38
                Most do not get up until the refrigerator defeats the TV.
            2. +2
              16 March 2020 13: 24
              Quote: Private 89
              The best way to remember privatization is nationalize!
              Of course not with this power, but with the people.

              Not "nationalization" - but "deprivatization".
              In the event of "nationalization", the current "owners" will have to reimburse the full "market value" of the property. Including the notorious $ 50 billion to the "ex-owners of Yukos".
              In case of "deprivatization" - we return the money received under the "property pledge" (the same $ 170 million, as in the case of Norilsk Nickel) - and the "current" owners, having received the prefix "ex", will deal with creditors themselves, from " personal "funds.
              IMHO.
              1. 0
                16 March 2020 15: 01
                it would be even more correct that none of those participating in privatization would forcibly live to their penile age
                1. +1
                  16 March 2020 15: 57
                  Quote: prodi
                  it would be even more correct that none of those participating in privatization would forcibly live to their penile age

                  Sorry, but you just wrote nonsense.
                  With privatization, we have been "covered up".
                  Do you or your parents have a former government apartment?
                  Just some "got the pie", and the other "crumbs".

                  Threat. In principle, I realized who you had in mind. Only the next time, please articulate your thought more clearly, without inconsistencies. hi
                  1. 0
                    16 March 2020 17: 32
                    reasonably.
                    Although, EMNIP, during privatization there was a discount on rent.
                    And this is not counting the fact that then she vseravno rose
          5. +14
            16 March 2020 11: 56
            Quote: rocket757
            "saffron milk", listens yes ... cleans up his tails.

            Why should the "mushroom" clean up its tails when, unfortunately, he has complete indulgence ...
      2. +20
        16 March 2020 08: 01
        Quote: rocket757
        so hacks all searches !!! Blame it all ... red hell! And here I extended my horns-hooves! Now you have to brush off the smell of sulfur!

        The privatization continues to this day, the government has a privatization plan, in connection with the crisis, privatization will accelerate.
        1. +7
          16 March 2020 08: 10
          Quote: Askold Matveev
          The privatization continues to this day,

          they then zahavali very "fat sour cream" ... now they can not be discouraged from it!
          1. +3
            16 March 2020 09: 22
            Quote: rocket757
            they then zahavali very "fat sour cream" ... now they can not be discouraged from it!

            Yes, greasy sour cream, not a single greasy cat will allow anyone to lick.
            1. +1
              16 March 2020 09: 33
              Only themselves, themselves, sales "kindred spirits" foreign, shoved away from the sour cream and do not want to let.
          2. +6
            16 March 2020 09: 41
            Quote: rocket757
            .... so very "fat sour cream" they then zahavali ... now they can not be discouraged from it!
            Like all capitalists, they now want to seize strangers am territory and enrich due to this
            1. +3
              16 March 2020 10: 11
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Like all capitalists, they now want to seize strangers

              They have not "mastered" everything here either !!! our country is big and rich, there is still something to "bite off".
              1. +5
                16 March 2020 10: 23
                What did I want to say? In our country, state property privatization is also the seizure of foreign territory. After all, this is not accessible to everyone; ordinary citizens will not succeed. But also pension reform --- also figuratively speaking --- seizure of living space
                Quote: rocket757
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Like all capitalists, they now want to seize strangers

                They have not "mastered" everything here either !!! our country is big and rich, there is still something to "bite off".
                1. +5
                  16 March 2020 10: 24
                  The forms of privatization are different, the essence is the same - the appropriation of a tsuzu!
                  1. +4
                    16 March 2020 10: 38
                    I even guess what can be heard in response to this
                    Quote: rocket757
                    The forms of privatization are different, the essence is the same - the appropriation of a tsuzu!
                    What are eligible. But it’s interesting if with such frenzy they talk about their rights and status --- will they try to consolidate it? Or have you already secured it? All sorts of benefits? Not in form, but in essence?
                    1. +7
                      16 March 2020 10: 48
                      In fact, the only thing that they can oppose with us is NOT RECEIVED!
                      There is no unity, there are no slender, close-knit ranks of people of creators ... they rule and hinder all parasites.
                      However, we ourselves are to blame.
                      1. +2
                        16 March 2020 11: 46
                        I especially do not like the fact that representatives of the leftist movements "" "" "" "" "exposed each other on the network. It would be better if they exposed the opposite side more often
                      2. +3
                        16 March 2020 11: 55
                        Nothing new ... everyone wants to look holier than others and are invited into their ranks. They climb up, to the power and to all the other "buns" that come with it.
                      3. +3
                        16 March 2020 12: 07
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Nothing new ... everyone wants to look holier than others and shouts in their ranks. Climb up ....
                        It can push away any thinking person from such an agitator. Well, if a person will look at the ideas of the other left, and not fall on the hook of the opposite
                      4. +2
                        16 March 2020 12: 10
                        This is specifically ... an old, proven method, to discredit the idea itself, the opportunity to find like-minded people.
                        Old as the world.
                      5. +2
                        16 March 2020 12: 46
                        Quote: rocket757
                        This is specifically ... the old, proven method, to discredit the idea itself, the ability to find like-minded people ......
                        . YOU are very puzzled me, that is, the left --- not all of them are left? Type of zhalosteny?
                      6. +3
                        16 March 2020 13: 27
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Type of zhalosteny?

                        And there are many of them and do not. Shove a couple, a troika into leaders or about and off we go. Persuaded people who are passionate about the idea, as a rule, are poorly versed in all other aspects of activity ... they have high goals, ideas !!! here they are slipped by experienced assistants and ... kitten kirdets! Again, I repeat, the method is old, it works almost flawlessly.
                        Those in power, rich people have a lot of money, hired talented bastards for them like two fingers ... about the fence!
                      7. +3
                        16 March 2020 13: 53
                        Glad your answer, Victor! How many different comrades have I already asked about this.
                        Yes, intensified right now. For some reason.
                      8. +2
                        16 March 2020 14: 02
                        Ha, is this a revelation? People wrote about it ... who had "right now" to experience this on themselves ... oh, oh, oh, you see, they were betrayed / framed !!! and who forbade to have your head on your shoulders?
                        However, I also have my own experience, negative ... therefore I do not forget that I hope for someone, and do not open the "mitten"!
                        Why now??? And some anger in society, in addition to the general negative, also leads to the fact that they start / try to figure out WHY ??? those. Many people took off their rose-colored glasses and here the picture appeared in all its "glory" ... for the rich it is like a sickle, in the innermost. They fussed and began to take countermeasures more actively.
            2. +20
              16 March 2020 12: 04
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Like all capitalists, they now want to seize other people's territories and enrich themselves due to this

              As Comrade Stalin wrote: "A reduction in wages, an increase in the working day, the weakening of the proletariat and the destruction of its organizations - this is the goal of the general union of capitalists."
              1. +7
                16 March 2020 12: 48
                like --- choke in different ways, intermittently, here and there?
                Quote: Gene84
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Like all capitalists, they now want to seize other people's territories and enrich themselves due to this

                As Comrade Stalin wrote: "A reduction in wages, an increase in the working day, the weakening of the proletariat and the destruction of its organizations - this is the goal of the general union of capitalists."

                Do you know that over the past 2 years the books of Stalin and Lenin have become more in demand than before. True, I have not read the works of the founders yet, but only separate excerpts
                1. +13
                  16 March 2020 12: 58
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  like --- choke in different ways, intermittently, here and there?

                  I think that yes, precisely in different ways, here and there. In principle, this is happening now ...
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Do you know that over the past 2 years the books of Stalin and Lenin have become more in demand than before

                  I noticed. Recently, statistics on downloaded political books came to my attention. In these statistics, the books of Stalin are in the first place, Lenin in the second, Trotsky, which is surprising why they are interested in him, in the third.
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  I have not read the works of the founders yet, but only separate excerpts

                  According to Stalin, I, like you, are only individual articles, mainly located on the site http://stalinism.ru. Lenin read everything. hi
                  1. +4
                    16 March 2020 13: 21
                    About Trotsky, yes, surprisingly. 2,5 years ago, when I was making requests, the answer was === 0000. And now on paper and
                  2. +6
                    16 March 2020 13: 39
                    Network glitches. Paper books about leftists and their representatives appear
                    Awesome time was --- after the revolution.
                    2 years ago, if you make a request about Trotsky, the answer was ==== 0000. And now ---- a lot of paper books have appeared.
                    It’s amazing right now. A lot in 2019 ?????
                    1. +13
                      16 March 2020 14: 01
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      if you make a request about Trotsky, the answer was ==== 0000. And now ---- a lot of paper books have appeared.
                      Amazing right now

                      Colleagues, sorry for interfering in your dialogue. In my opinion, they became interested in Trotsky, mainly because of the crisis in the communist movement. If we pay attention to representatives of the modern Russian communist movement, and first of all to Zyuganov and Co., as representatives of the largest communist party, then we will see that Zyuganov has embarked on a path of renegacy, this is especially evident now in the process of amending the Constitution of the country, which harms all communist parties of Russia. Based on this, people interested in left-wing ideas turn away from the real foundations of communism and look for an alternative. And they find it in the false ideas of Trotsky and in the various currents of anarchism. The West plays an important role in promoting Trotskyism. This is our Trotsky opportunist and enemy of the people. In the West he is considered a true Marxist who fell in the struggle, against the hated Western reactionary bourgeoisie, Stalinist Bolshevism. In addition, the Trotskyists, in contrast to the supporters of Leninism-Stalinism, carry out more active, aggressive actions against the capitalists.
                      1. +4
                        16 March 2020 14: 18
                        fellow laughing hi I’m not that I apologize, but vigorously welcome and applaud your intervention. Yes, probably it is about the crisis of the left. Because some of those publishers are openly liberal. I do a lot in online stores, read book descriptions or fragments first, before ordering. I choose and shorten my list for a long time, I don’t have time to read and buy everything.
                        However, you can find real brilliants
              2. +23
                21 November 2020 15: 31
                Stalin was right. In the modern bourgeois-oligarchic state, this is very noticeable.
        2. +20
          21 November 2020 15: 31
          Now there is no privatization, but the change of owners of the once privatized enterprises for new ones in the same way as privatization was carried out.
      3. +3
        16 March 2020 08: 03
        I wonder who else has the voucher? And to Chubais, for two Volgas! what
        1. +5
          16 March 2020 08: 12
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          I wonder who else has the voucher? And to Chubais, for two Volgas! what

          you can't drive up to that "vaska ... mushroom" on a humpback goat now! tried it ... sadly it ended and not for "vaska-mushroom".
        2. +11
          16 March 2020 08: 23
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          I wonder who else has the voucher? And to Chubais, for two Volgas! what

          I have two, I keep them to put them in the redhead.
          1. +10
            16 March 2020 08: 25
            Quote: Malyuta
            shove it.

            Wrap an explosive pack in each ... Anyway, there will be no Volga!
          2. +11
            16 March 2020 11: 08
            Quote: Malyuta
            I have two, keep to shove them.

            He has already successfully "bought" them into the pockets of the oligarchs. He doesn't need them anymore.

            Many want redhead shove and not only vouchers. But so far only rewards, but money pop from our grateful government (for robbing the people and enriching the oligarchs).

            The list of those government awards (orders, medals, thanks) is quite impressive. And the amount of public funds allocated to him through Rusnano, judging by his own words - well, a lot of (money).
        3. 0
          16 March 2020 13: 29
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          I wonder who else has a voucher? And to Chubais, for two Volgas ! what

          Yeah! - "Over the two Volga - with all the piers and steamers!"
          wassat laughing
      4. +2
        16 March 2020 08: 06
        Quote: rocket757
        Blame it all ... red hell!

        What would happen if we did not fall for his offer? Yes, there wouldn’t be anything, there wouldn’t be any privatization. They probably would have thought of a thread yet, but at that moment we made the decision to sell the Motherland ourselves. Below is a full photo of the check. Pay attention to the spine - on each of them is our signature, which gives consent to build capitalism with us.




        Quote: rocket757
        I wonder who else has the voucher? And to Chubais, for two Volgas!

        Late. The voucher was valid for a year.
        1. +8
          16 March 2020 08: 14
          Powdered brains of citizens .... songs of all sorts and other promises. The population’s immunity to such a fraud simply WAS NOT!
          1. +4
            16 March 2020 08: 23
            Quote: rocket757
            Powdered brains of citizens .... songs of all sorts and other promises.!

            It is not for nothing that for those who dreamed of a hacienda they played "Slave Isaur", and for those who dreamed of a villa - "The rich cry the same", and here Chubais is the people, freebie, take it and your dream will come true ...


            Quote: rocket757
            The population’s immunity to such a fraud simply WAS NOT!

            And now he is not and never was. Should every worker understand politics thoroughly? No, but I must know the general principles of management so that the next Chubais would not give us another snag ...

            ps
            Hatred for Chubais is mostly self-hatred for that rash act. Is it possible to take offense at Mavrodi and his MMM? it is possible, but we ourselves carried the money (I - no) in the hope that: "I am smarter than my neighbor ...".
            1. +4
              16 March 2020 08: 28
              Greed, stupidity, and much more .... ineradicable!
              1. +2
                16 March 2020 09: 29
                Quote: rocket757
                Greed, stupidity, and much more .... ineradicable!

                That's for sure, what if the "freebie" has come, I'll get rich!
                1. +3
                  16 March 2020 09: 35
                  It was necessary to begin to read good books in youth !!! after all, there were such instructive films as well ...
            2. +2
              16 March 2020 09: 33
              Quote: Boris55
              It is not for nothing that on TV for those who dreamed of a hacienda they played "Slave Isaur"

              And in droves they went to Kashpirovsky, and at the TV they charged cans of water from Chumak. Now everyone considers this to be idiocy, and then it was a brand. But simply a nationwide psychosis.
              1. +1
                16 March 2020 10: 16
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Now everyone considers it idiocy, and then it was a brand

                And then it was considered idiocy ... by those who were not devoid of common sense and enlightened before, i.e. preferred to learn from tsuzu errors.
                1. +2
                  16 March 2020 11: 58
                  Quote: rocket757
                  ......... And then it was considered idiocy ....
                  Maybe people despaired that products, goods are missing and were ready to believe anything? Of course, they did not expect all that would happen ..... After all, was this still under the USSR?
          2. +11
            16 March 2020 08: 29
            Quote: rocket757
            Powdered brains of citizens .... songs of all sorts and other promises. The population’s immunity to such a fraud simply WAS NOT!

            Not immunity, but precedent and legal literacy. After all, people believed the thimbles, playing in the smoke, then they believed in the MMM, then the Lord and continue to trust the state.
            because many remember this muck.
            1. +1
              16 March 2020 08: 33
              Skaters, cheaters and other adventurists, always play on the same weaknesses / vices of a person ".... they almost always win! So these" modest "professions, activities will never disappear.
              1. +4
                16 March 2020 08: 40
                Is it time to remember the privatization of the nineties

                Well, remember .... it became easier? I'd better go and eat my macaros and feed the cat with whiskas. Millet flour, canned food with toilet paper, and other necessary things, and so on, I again yesterday (which time, time ... No. ) bought (before the imminent, inevitable rise in price and coronavirus) for all the "free" money, and I advise you the same. Yes
                1. 0
                  16 March 2020 08: 49
                  It is usually, almost normal, that many want to sway along the waves of their / our memory ....
                  and whiskas ... he’s in the whiskas geyropa, you’ll find it in any store and you can buy all the remaining funds ...
                  if sho happens, it will be possible with a cat from one bowl to grind!
                  1. +5
                    16 March 2020 09: 08
                    Only something tells me that both "whiskas" from "foreign components" and on foreign equipment with "currency depreciation" for spare parts are being manufactured, which means that it will rise in price very soon, but my salary, absolutely, is not will increase, and even go down - as the boss said last week, "prepare for the reduction" of both personnel and salaries - it is now a problem to buy in China, and now everything purchased there will be more expensive, for sale in the domestic market, afraid that demand will fall and very much .... so that salaries are kirdyk (no, not with the "sechins" - they just have it all right, but for "hard workers-hegemon and office" plankton "I have , in company")... sad
                    1. +1
                      16 March 2020 09: 24
                      Quote: Snail N9
                      "whiskas" from "foreign components" and on foreign equipment with "currency depreciation" for spare parts, is produced, which means

                      It also does not float at all. My pride happily eats "Blue whiting" with oatmeal ... get fat and shine!
                      Quote: Snail N9
                      my salary, stopudovo, will not increase, and even go down, as the boss said last week

                      this is a problem and it is unlikely that they will at least somehow solve it from above ... they have everything tip-top and always.
                      the kind of power that we have chosen.
                2. +2
                  16 March 2020 09: 56
                  I read on the net yesterday that cheap toilet paper was missing ?????? I don't know, true or not request Not so much as to follow the paper.
                  And about the food for the animals ---- this is right! There must be a lot, we are always in advance for them !!!!!
                  Quote: Snail N9
                  Is it time to remember the privatization of the nineties

                  Well, remember .... it became easier? I'd better go and eat my macaros and feed the cat with whiskas. Millet flour, canned food with toilet paper, and other necessary things, and so on, I again yesterday (which time, time ... No. ) bought (before the imminent, inevitable rise in price and coronavirus) for all the "free" money, and I advise you the same. Yes
              2. +2
                16 March 2020 09: 35
                Quote: rocket757
                So these "modest" professions and activities will never disappear.

                For more than 30 years, Lohatron and thimbles have been wandering the expanses of the former USSR (even seen in Poland) and there are still people who think they will win against cheaters. Naive or stupid.
            2. 0
              16 March 2020 10: 04
              Quote: Malyuta
              After all, people believed the thimbles, playing in the smoke, then they believed in the MMM, then the Lord and continue to trust the state.

              And the USSR is to blame for this. Not sarcasm and not banter. Some sort of Frenchman or the same Russian, but the sample of 1900, would have sniffed, but it was definitely a jam on the sandwich, and not something else. It is similar in color, but suspiciously seductive. But 70 years of Soviet power taught that the native state can infringe on trifles, but it will not go to outright vileness. So we got the full program. And the funny thing is that some are still in this happy delusion. That they are citizens of something there, and the country supposedly takes care of them. Absolute immunity to Chubais and Putin only for people like me, the USSR did not.
              1. +2
                16 March 2020 12: 08
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                One hundred percent immunity to Chubais and Putin only for people like me, the USSR who didn’t.

                People were incredulous, always there. There are always fewer of them ...
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Some sort of Frenchman or the same Russian, but the sample of 1900, would definitely sniff, and for sure

                Also not necessary. Trusting were always there. Otherwise, there would not be so many cheaters and other deceivers.
          3. +2
            16 March 2020 09: 48
            Quote: rocket757
            Powdered brains of citizens .... songs of all sorts and other promises. The population’s immunity to such a fraud simply WAS NOT!
            I remember there were conversations, people were proud that they had vouchers and promotions. Interestingly, if I was a slick schoolboy --- was there a voucher for me? Somehow I did not think about it.! ...
            1. 0
              16 March 2020 12: 30
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Was there a voucher for me?

              It wasn’t, like. Only adults, in my opinion.
              1. 0
                16 March 2020 13: 02
                In theory, should have been? After all, all citizens are equal in rights. After all, the privatization of housing was for children.
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Was there a voucher for me?

                It wasn’t, like. Only adults, in my opinion.
                1. 0
                  16 March 2020 13: 04
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  In theory, should have been?

                  With this question to Chubais. laughing
                  1. +2
                    16 March 2020 13: 45
                    Yes, now do not care
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    In theory, should have been?

                    With this question to Chubais. laughing
            2. +1
              16 March 2020 13: 41
              Reptiloid (Dmitry) Today, 09: 48
              I remember there were conversations, people were proud that they had vouchers and promotions. Interestingly, if I was a slick schoolboy --- was there a voucher for me?


              Was. Your parents got (and "invested") for you.

              Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 14.08.1992 N 914 (as amended on 14.10.1992, as amended on 10.01.1993) "On the introduction of the system of privatization checks in the Russian Federation" (together with the "Regulations on privatization checks")

              Article 2. The right to receive privatization checks
               1. Citizens of the Russian Federation permanently residing in its territory on the date of entry into force of the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation on the issue of privatization checks have the right to receive privatization checks regardless of their age, the amount of income and the duration of permanent residence in the Russian Federation, as well as the military personnel of the Russian Federation serving abroad.

              http://www.consultant.ru/cons/cgi/online.cgi?req=doc&base=LAW&n=12435&fld=134&dst=1000000001,0&rnd=0.05249174632410636#014488419553102605
              1. 0
                16 March 2020 13: 48
                Yes, of course, of course, they invested with the same result as from their own. I remember talking about getting vouchers and hopes. But about the benefits there was no talk
        2. +7
          16 March 2020 11: 23
          Quote: Boris55
          What would happen if we did not fall for his offer? Yes, there wouldn’t be anything, there wouldn’t be any privatization.

          Boris, what do you tell us about your tales? When was it in Russia so that we (the people) would not be fooled by any government proposal? Only now the people meek and patient completely agree ... and then, bam and revolution out of nowhere.
      5. 0
        18 March 2020 18: 58
        I wanted to find a song "give me vouchers, vouchers ..."
        so hacks all searches !!! Blame it all ... red hell! And here I extended my horns-hooves!

        Listen to another one that has not yet been hacked
    2. +3
      16 March 2020 14: 05
      The main indicator of the current state of affairs in power is Chubais.
      He is still more alive than all living things. And even began to shine.
      The current government does not provide for any review of the results of the all-Russian robbery.
      The slightest hint of it shivers her.
      "Russia has exhausted the limit on revolutions" and "We do not need shocks" are the main mantras of today's political scientists.
      I'm not against. Who needs blood? Definitely not for us.
      But the situation in the economy, social sphere, cultural life discourages, plunges into shock ...
      Monotowns continue to die without their breadwinners - enterprises.
      Deindustrialization strides across the country in broad strides.
      The population is poor, the ruble is falling, inflation is rising.
      Finding a good engineer is harder to find in Russia than a bigfoot.
      There are no welders at the shipyards, turners and milling workers at the plants.
      But it is full of economists and lawyers. These - even for export.
      Of youth consistently make consumer with a brain substitute in the hand - a smartphone.
      In theaters, at public expense, they stage performances with bare asses deployed in the hall ...
      There was an exciting problem for the authorities.
      "Problem 2024".
      The threat of ownership of the oligarchy.
      Tereshkov had to re-"launch into space".
      "Seagull 2.0" coped with the task. You can give the second star of the Hero.
      In April, a referendum.
      How was it sung in our former anthem?
      "No one will give us deliverance,
      Neither God, nor King, nor Hero.
      We will achieve our liberation
      With your own hand! "
      In April, we use our own head and our own hand. To start... wink
  2. +4
    16 March 2020 07: 48
    cry yaroslavl and her wet mines. without total turmoil (read the new revolution) this will not happen
  3. +4
    16 March 2020 07: 50
    It is time for the state to admit that the massive privatization carried out in the country was a mistake. As a result, its tremendous values ​​were appropriated and redistributed in favor of a narrow circle of people, including foreign ones, who had nothing to do with the creation of state property in the USSR. To say that revising the results of privatization is unacceptable is stupid. Errors must always be corrected. negative
    1. +7
      16 March 2020 07: 57
      Quote: bessmertniy
      Errors must always be corrected.

      1. +5
        16 March 2020 08: 10
        That's right, you have to atone for the mistakes of blood.
      2. -6
        16 March 2020 08: 22
        Started! First off!
    2. 0
      16 March 2020 13: 47
      Yes, that's just a question, but does the "state" consider this a mistake?
  4. +6
    16 March 2020 07: 52
    For a long time I was waiting for a fitting article ... the truth is good from it, so let off steam. The guarantor said that there would be no revisions to privatization, and here we will crush the water in the mortar.
    1. +6
      16 March 2020 08: 05
      Raising the retirement age was also not promised, but ...
      1. +2
        16 March 2020 08: 16
        Tomorrow a decree may be issued to recall the deceased from cemeteries. wassat Nothing to sleep when a country needs working hands and bright heads to revive its power wassat
  5. +4
    16 March 2020 08: 00
    What does it mean to review the results of privatization? First, who will specifically review? Which group? Or community ... and a group of beneficiaries will calmly look at it? And what then to do with this property again to transfer effective managers? With the same results for society. In our capitalistic Any nationalization in the system. Privatization revision is the nationalization of losses. And the proceeds will be safely taken to the right pocket.
    1. +3
      16 March 2020 08: 20
      The fact that they have worked hard with privatization is, of course, worth fixing. And how - it’s let the woodpecker’s head hurt, which is going to a new term. But it is possible to restore the purchasing power of Soviet deposits in Sberbank. It is not necessary to pour money into banks, which spanks the printing press, but just on deposits, so that they regain their purchasing power. hi
      1. 0
        16 March 2020 08: 37
        Quote: bessmertniy
        But to restore the purchasing power of Soviet deposits

        And who needs it? Who will fight to solve this problem? And of course let ....
        1. +1
          16 March 2020 08: 43
          Justice must triumph. If not in this life, then in the next. So that our descendants would not be excruciatingly hurt for our aimlessly burned money. what
          1. +1
            16 March 2020 11: 23
            Justice will triumph then when to fight for it ...
            1. 0
              16 March 2020 12: 05
              There is a whole party trying to do this, judging by the name. It is called "Fair Russia". True, the successes of this struggle are still insignificant. And others, how to listen, all for justice, but when you look - she is hiding somewhere from us. request
  6. +5
    16 March 2020 08: 00
    Generally speaking, the government’s strategy is the exact opposite — continuing privatization with the sale of the state’s share in joint-stock companies and the complete liquidation of state unitary enterprises and municipal unitary enterprises until January 1, 2025.
    What the author offers is essentially a revolutionary shattering of the foundations of the existing system. Even Navalny against the background of such proposals looks like Putinets.
    1. +5
      16 March 2020 08: 24
      Counter-revolution must always be replaced by a new revolution. lol Such is the dialectic.
  7. +5
    16 March 2020 08: 02
    I never received this treasured scrap of paper. During the distribution, he served on the borders of the great and mighty USSR, and when he returned to Russia at the end of 1993, they told me that privatization was over. It turns out I threw the state, as in that film
    1. +3
      16 March 2020 08: 26
      But they did not give me a free apartment, although they promised. request And with the transition to democracy, they said that you need to earn an apartment and buy for your own. recourse
      1. +2
        16 March 2020 08: 42
        Once deceived, they will lie to us further sad
    2. 0
      16 March 2020 09: 37
      Quote: Good
      It turns out I threw the state, as in that film

      Rather, the swindlers in power threw you.
  8. Ham
    -8
    16 March 2020 08: 02
    but now the fighters against Putin call Yeltsin a "genius" and are sincerely surprised when they learn that Khodorkovsky is the very hated oligarch ... among especially advanced hamsters he is a fighter for our and your "freedom" ... hmmm ...
    and Aunt Valya Tereshkova is so ... about nothing ...
    1. +1
      16 March 2020 08: 13
      Quote: Ham
      and Aunt Valya is so ... about nothing ..
      something like this...
      1. Ham
        -3
        16 March 2020 10: 13
        yes, yes I'm talking about people like you
    2. 0
      16 March 2020 10: 24
      Quote: Ham
      but now the fighters against Putin call Yeltsin a "genius"

      And what? Is he not a genius? The guarantor strongly disagrees with you!
      1. Ham
        -3
        16 March 2020 11: 25
        I have never heard that the Supreme would call a drunk - a genius ... a lie is a way of your life
        and against the background of pygmies and conciliators such as zyuzi, even a drunk looks like a "strong personality"
        maybe you’ll post a picture about the hodor?
        1. +1
          16 March 2020 12: 15
          Quote: Ham
          I have never heard that the Supreme would call a drunk - a genius ..

          Enjoy

          One of the most prominent politicians of the 20th century, from an outstanding galaxy of brave people leading to new goals, we know President Yeltsin always worthily kept punch, took full responsibility, Yedqing was an example to all of us, Yedtsin’s departure from life does not mean that his path completed, he is alive while his memory is alive, Yeltsin is a courageous brave leader. If I feel, then I quote the speech of the chief officer. About how he sings an ode to his beloved teacher.
          Quote: Ham
          it's a lie your way of life

          Darling, if your intellect does not allow you to watch a movie with Putin, then to me, what claims? Take offense at dad and mom, they cheated on you, not me.
          Quote: Ham
          and against the background of pygmies and conciliators such as zyuzi, even a drunk looks like a "strong personality"

          And against the background of the drunk, citizen Shiklgruber is a genius and father of the nation. And what next? Mr. galley slave and he will bear flowers?
          Dixi.
          1. Ham
            -3
            16 March 2020 12: 59
            where is the word "genius", zine?
            duty, meaningless words at the funeral of the FIRST President of Russia if that ...
            Or do you think it was necessary to say to the whole world that "the drunk is an American puppet and a traitor" and thereby lay a mine under his own legitimacy and the legitimacy of the entire state?
            I love hamsters, their brains are like guppy fish, they don’t see beyond their nose but still there - solve global issues ...
            you need to relate to people easier, and look at things wider (s)
            1. -1
              16 March 2020 13: 53
              Quote: Ham
              where is the word "genius", zine?

              Genius (from lat. Genius - “spirit”) - the highest level of intellectual or creative functioning of a person [1], which is really manifested in outstanding scientific discoveries or philosophical concepts, technical or technological inventions, social transformations, the creation of works of art with long-term consequences

              And where is the contradiction with the words of the president?
              Quote: Ham
              I love hamsters, their brains are like guppy fish

              You already decide on your own definitions, otherwise you should confuse fish with rodents - these too must have amazing brains.
            2. +1
              16 March 2020 14: 02
              Quote: Ham
              where is the word "genius", zine?
              duty, meaningless words at the funeral of the FIRST President of Russia if that ...
              Or do you think it was necessary to say to the whole world that "the drunk is an American puppet and a traitor" and thereby lay a mine under his own legitimacy and the legitimacy of the entire state?
              I love hamsters, their brains are like guppy fish, they don’t see beyond their nose but still there - solve global issues ...
              you need to relate to people easier, and look at things wider (s)


              You misunderstood - He "rebelled", and therefore did not pronounce the title "genius" in public.


              wassat laughing
  9. +4
    16 March 2020 08: 15
    my Belgorod relatives invested "vouchers" in ZiL
  10. -11
    16 March 2020 08: 18
    Absolutely irresponsible article! The consequences of the development of the topic the author himself presents. I didn’t think that the implementation at an estimated cost could not take place for a simple reason - the lack of an appropriate amount of funds. For the same reason, it is impossible to recover now.
    By the way, no one paid for privatized housing either, and for these funds it would be possible to build apartments for those who did not get anything under socialism.
    1. +5
      16 March 2020 08: 34
      Everything is not so simple, Victor ... We got four vouchers for the family (dad, mom, two bros). Two were happily about ... lost were in some kind of regional fund like "MMM" invested, where they rested in Bose successfully, but the other two invested in NGDU, where my father worked, paid little dividends, and when in the late nineties the former boss (now a big man in Moscow) began to buy them from hard workers, they sold them and bought an apartment in a prestigious house, which we rent now ... So it’s something like this, it seems like we were in profit. If we would have bought an apartment for a salary ...
    2. +4
      16 March 2020 09: 10
      You probably forgot the meaning of collateral auctions, the government gave loans to the industrial groups of Potanin, Abramovich, and from friends for whom they also bought privatization companies at the auction so simply or did you think they did it for their own?
  11. +2
    16 March 2020 08: 57
    Chubais did not deceive my family! My favorite fairy tale about Pinocchio helped! And about the field of miracles in the country ,,,,,,! We certainly did not lose our own! They made a bet on this - they were lucky - good! but no, no! 5 years dividends received, for a small unplanned feast of the stomach was enough!
  12. +2
    16 March 2020 09: 11
    Who will chop the branch on which it sits?
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  14. BAI
    +1
    16 March 2020 09: 23
    the state budget received 2 trillion rubles (about $ 60 billion) from this whistle.

    It requires clarification, is it with Moscow or not? Because Moscow received as much from privatization as the entire state budget (thanks to the special rules of Popov and Luzhkov). Those. subtracting Moscow, the budget will have 1 trillion.
  15. +2
    16 March 2020 09: 39
    The state simply does not need anything: social responsibility and the well-being of citizens are not for our officials. There are a large number of simple sources to replenish the budget.
    For example, a return to the state monopoly on the production of strong alcohol. Or for the extraction and bottling of mineral waters. And part of the problems of filling the state budget will be solved.
    But why should they ...
  16. +2
    16 March 2020 09: 53
    It is unlikely that anyone in the Kremlin will go to the complete abolition of “privatization” - by its results this decision will be tantamount to a new 1917.

    The Kremlin will not agree to this not because of a fear of the new 1917! They understand that NOBODY will defend this bunch of grapplers then close to the authorities and grabbing for nothing that was created by generations of Russians! Simply many HEROES of that time and today feel good including and in power, let’s take, for example, the same father of privatization - Chubais!
    1. 0
      16 March 2020 16: 04
      And if you imagine: taken away! And what to do with all this? With factories working in a warehouse, with collective farms that are unable to feed themselves .... To appoint former managers? Manilov was prudent .......
  17. +3
    16 March 2020 10: 00
    Hardly even there dare to demand payment from their new owners for their property not at a lower price, but at a real price at the time of purchase.

    There are many different tax and legal nuances. You can rip off three skins for undervaluing.
    And there is another option, to deal with the fate of perished investment funds that left people who invested vouchers in them with worthless receipts ...
    I believe that the bulk of the Russians once gave a loan to a certain borrower. For more than a quarter of a century, the deadlines for paying debts have been transferred to us, and we all look at how the holes are in our pockets, and the oligarchs managed to “earn” more than a trillion dollars. It is not known where this NWF is, but we are offered to reset everything and continue to live as if there was nothing.
    A crow with cheese in its beak crouched on a spruce. A fox is running past.
    - Crow! Are you for constitutional amendments?
    - No! Cheese has fallen out. The fox grabbed him and was such. A crow sits on a branch and thinks:
    - And if I said “Yes!”?

    Demand for the coup that took place in the 90s should take place, and the EBN house should be liquidated as a museum of Russian disgrace and shame.
  18. +2
    16 March 2020 10: 00
    These vouchers were bought in each gateway. And the price was equal to a bottle of Royal. But many invested in non-existent companies. Moreover, they were zealously advertised. When privatization began, most people sat on the "kukan". I remember, I found 1000 rubles on the road. I was glad. Only for bread. Privatization is like a log on the road. It interferes with moving forward. And it's a pity to remove.
  19. -1
    16 March 2020 10: 39
    The author does not tell. What will they take away from themselves?
  20. 0
    16 March 2020 10: 49
    And remember the recent story with RUSAL, less known with Norilsk Nickel, as well as the Great Leaders ..... buildings of Serdyukov, Rogozin and Chubais ....

    And immediately it becomes clear and privatization and nationalization ....
  21. +2
    16 March 2020 11: 13
    "privatization" is in full swing in Crimea, the most "tasty" enterprises have already gone ... but there are still many left https://mzem.rk.gov.ru/ru/structure/645
  22. 0
    16 March 2020 12: 04
    Without changing the system, all this is an empty talk.
  23. +1
    16 March 2020 12: 27
    The same people are in power who betrayed, killed and plundered the country, for the sake of monetizing their power, for the sake of their personal selfish ambitions, who killed the once mighty power, organized robbery and destruction of their own homeland unprecedented in the history of mankind. All these actions have long had their own designation: treason, crime and genocide. All these people continue to softly sleep and eat sweetly, in a hereditary estate society created for themselves, according to other laws, written by the loved ones themselves, despising and mercilessly exploiting their own people and the country's potential, in no way linking their future with them, and therefore not interested in their development and prosperity. And in general, our power and the "upper Bayar estate" are increasingly associated with the colonial administration, under the control of the instruments of the external neo-colonial government of a married couple, leading the Central Bank and HSE. Until the figures, various "effective managers" of the 90s, will not be condemned (albeit without real terms) and their actions will not be given a legal assessment, until the ruling class, without honor and conscience, will not be patriotic and stop the overseas "sycophancy" by licking the boss's handles and shoes, brazenly lying and manipulating us "we will not see luck", so we will constantly "get off our knees", constantly "overcome and substitute import".
  24. 0
    16 March 2020 13: 02
    And who will demand and from whom, they are all up there!
  25. 0
    16 March 2020 15: 49
    Regarding the voucher at work, one stranger wise guy once said: - "Why did you sell your vouchers, buy up and get out into the ownership of some property." I don’t know from his own debility, he said so, or wanted to show that we are a stupid herd here, but the citizen was clearly not aware that even if he bought 30-40% of the vouchers, nothing would have been fishy for him (and if he started would be over the head and buried in the woods). All this kotovasiya was started for a certain circle of people in order to give the robbery at least some kind of legality.
  26. +1
    16 March 2020 15: 50
    I agree with the author.
    Privatization was a robbery of the country and the people.
    But deprivatization will be deadly for the country's economy.
    There would be no particular problems if only the Russians were there, and even then these owners would immediately run the CAP and begin to scream there that they were robbed, and yet for a European, private property is sacred.
    Although, if they adopt a law on the priority of state law over international law, it would be possible to deflect these human rights defenders. But investors and shareholders are foreigners, and this is serious.
    Here, all courts and all countries will stand behind them.
    And they will spit under what sauce everything will happen - nationalization or deprivatization.
    Immediately impose new sanctions, next to which the current seem like toys.
    Entente countries after nationalization, did they just come to our land?
    Were they worried about the fate of Russia and its people?
    Of course not, they came to return theirs, because a lot of enterprises were almost entirely owned by foreigners.
    And will people agree to remain without imported TVs, cars, smartphones and other foreign nonsense?
    But the fact that the state should openly tell people that all this privatization was a big deception and a scam is unambiguous.
    True, this will not make it easier, but at least things will be called by their proper names.
  27. -1
    16 March 2020 21: 34
    Quote: maidan.izrailovich
    Is this not a reason to go to the polls and vote correctly?

    And this really decides something? The main thing is how to calculate. There, all over the country, their Tereshkovs sit in election commissions at different levels. Up to the Central Election Commission. They will make a decent figure-66-69% -a convincing victory. No. hi
  28. 0
    18 March 2020 09: 48
    “Isn't it time to recognize as a criminal conspiracy not only what was going on around this particular company for many years, but also the entire privatization of the 90s? the people were deceived in a completely unimaginable way? " It is high time, yes, and the people's court to try all the privatizers too.

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