In the Danish press: Putin may remain in power in Russia longer than Stalin

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Materials continue to appear in the European press that present certain data on the package of amendments that may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Berlingske, a major Danish publication, published an article by columnist Samuel Rakhlin, which tells readers about amendments to the basic law proposed in Russia.

According to the author of the article, the constitutional amendments in Russia “are primarily pleasing to the nationalist and monarchist circles” - those who advocate giving the incumbent president the opportunity to stand for election again and again.



From the material:

Putin's supporters in and around the Kremlin are encouraged that he will sit (in the presidential chair) for another 16 years.

On this occasion, the author cites the famous quotation of Viktor Chernomyrdin, informing readers of Berlingske about who this person was at one time:

Or maybe come out again: they wanted the best, it turned out as always.


According to Samuel Rakhlin, "Putin can remain in power for 36 years and even longer." From material:

This is not only more than that of any of the leaders of the new Russia, but also more than Stalin was in power. It is the fashionable word “zeroing” in Russia that can lead to Putin staying in power longer than Stalin.

The author writes that for Russia, the approach to being in power until the very death is historically characteristic. At the same time, the Danish publication adds that a return to such a system "signals a stagnation and entrenched resistance to reform."

From the article:

This paralyzes the younger generation of Russian politicians, striking at their ambitions and readiness to move up the career ladder in the political system.
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    1. +56
      15 March 2020 15: 44
      In the Danish press: Putin may remain in power in Russia longer than Stalin

      So it will be, only in contrast to Stalin, Putin’s efficiency is zero ..
      This paralyzes the younger generation of Russian politicians, striking at their ambitions and readiness to move up the career ladder in the political system.

      If only young politicians would be paralyzed .. It will paralyze the development of the country .. with all the sad consequences.
      1. +47
        15 March 2020 15: 49
        Stalin is not good for soles.
        1. +4
          15 March 2020 15: 57
          I'm afraid to make a mistake, but it seems that in 2018 some EdRos compared how many km of the metro were built under Stalin and how many km of the metro were built under Putin! Metro, Karl!
          I hope who won and turned out to be a "more majestic metro builder" according to EdRu you will not specify? laughing wassat
          1. +41
            15 March 2020 16: 36
            Quote: Honest Citizen
            how many km of the metro were built under Stalin and how many km of the metro were built under Putin! Metro, Karl!

            I built seven stations in the city, according to the Soviet plan, the metro should have been more branched out, but the USSR died on time and the handsome aircraft factory simply didn’t need anyone .... There was a shan to grab a cool order for the production of An-142, but the cooperation with Ukraine died. Shopping centers were made instead of handsome factories, business ones.
            1. +14
              15 March 2020 16: 38
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              . Shopping centers made instead of handsome factories.

              Well, they are at the "right" guys and you can immediately cut the profit, and not wait for a payback of 25 years or more from factories and new equipment.
              Putin's economy
              1. -9
                16 March 2020 11: 27
                And you did not try to think, where does the population who goes to shopping centers get money from? Only from factories. There is no other source of money. Although, I understand that your mom is on the phone.
                1. +3
                  16 March 2020 14: 06
                  Now wise guy listen to me.
                  Take for example our beloved capital. Moscow is a city of services. Hairdressers, software companies, shops, beauty salons, printing, television and the media, mobile operators, parking are services. And the people who work there are services. Economic growth is mainly due to industrial enterprises. Now answer - who will need your services if there is no economic growth?
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            3. -7
              16 March 2020 11: 25
              Have you tried to think with your head? When there is no crisis in the country and no money, nobody builds shopping centers, because there will be no buyers.
              1. -6
                16 March 2020 11: 54
                I cried completely turned into a Russophbian resource. This one also rolls in there.
                1. 0
                  16 March 2020 14: 06
                  And the main thing is completely incomprehensible - why !? Yes?
                  Around the enemies probably ...)))
          2. -20
            15 March 2020 16: 51
            1)
            Quote: Honest Citizen
            Metro, Karl!
            I hope who won and turned out to be a "more majestic metro builder" according to EdRu you will not specify?
            - why not?
            1953 -38 stations
            2000 year -160 stations
            2020 year - 325 stations

            Quote: Bearded
            The collective farmer Grudinin only registered as a candidate, as he was shot with compromising evidence from all channels.
            "Did he not know what his underwear would shake? Dirty - as it turned out?"
            And this STILL not Americans, not coronovirus (and the like), not terrorists, not corrupt people, not poverty, not limitrophies / Poland, not a drop in the birth rate in the country - just the media was picking around .... but he was blown away before our eyes ...
            1. +18
              15 March 2020 16: 57
              Quote: your1970
              - why not?
              1953 -38 stations
              2000 -160 stations
              2020 - 325 stations

              Well then, compare also the level of technology and the amount occupied in the construction.
              The MCC has been attributed to the metro, ok, God be with him, but the MCC is the surface metro.
              Farther. Data taken from the site Mosmetro
              269 ​​(232 metro stations, 31 MCC stations, 6 Moscow monorail stations) as of July 01.07.2019, XNUMX
              .
              1. +14
                15 March 2020 17: 48
                but the MCC is an underground metro.
                Add here. that this is the MCC railways that led to the factories. Soviet factories. The factories were demolished. Access roads remained. They were not even brought to the subway. Plop half a kilometer from the metro in any weather, but it will be considered "paved the metro".
                1. -5
                  16 March 2020 06: 04
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  led to the plants. Soviet factories. Factories demolished.

                  Give an example to demolish a profitable plant with a surplus .... Maybe AZLK? Or ZIL? Huge territories and buildings that produce something that even inside Russia no one wanted to buy ... laughing Strange as it may seem, Kamaz didn’t die, VAZ flounders, sometimes even makes a profit, but such as AZLK, KZKT, probably this is the fate - either your products are torn off with your hands, or only one hand can get such products ... wassat
                  1. -2
                    16 March 2020 11: 30
                    VAZ has long learned how to make normal cars, and he is a daughter of Renault
                2. -4
                  16 March 2020 11: 35
                  AZLK - a car without quality beforehand. Who in the center of Moscow needs ZIL in general is unclear, dirty production, and for some reason, the fate of ZIL was decided after the transfer of their development to the KAMAZ under construction, since then they have not done anything new, and medium-sized trucks in the world are unpopular, either delivery trucks, or 10 -tones and more, for serious transportation. The same GAZ, unlike them, managed to push GAZelle's sales hit at the end of the 90s and thereby fit into the market.
                3. +1
                  17 March 2020 12: 01
                  What are the access roads to Soviet factories, all the ring railway, the main chords and radii, the buildings of the times of the Russian Empire, both in St. Petersburg and in Moscow.
              2. +15
                15 March 2020 19: 40
                Well then, compare also the level of technology and the amount occupied in the construction.
                The MCC has been attributed to the metro, ok, God be with him, but the MCC is the surface metro.

                I completely agree, a completely incorrect comparison in view of the level of technological development at which the metro was built in the 30s and now.
                269 ​​metro stations are also cunning !!!
                The MCC and WDC have nothing to do with laying underground tunnels:
                MCC - do not forget that this is a small Moscow ring railway, opened in 1908, i.e. even before the revolution !!!!
                The fact that the stations were built on it and the exits were connected to the metro is not the construction of the metro, the renovation of the routes is also not a feat, the routes must be changed from time to time.
                WDC - it’s even easier here, for those who are not Muscovites, just in case, I’ll explain: there was a commuter train connection, put new lighting and fences at the stations, removed attention from the schedule! technological breaks, when trains do not run for 2 hours, we tightened the interval of movement to 6-10 minutes between trains, unified payment from the metro by making a free transfer and solemnly announced that here is a "breakthrough" and expansion of the metro.
                The only thing honestly puffed up is the big metro ring line, there are really about 30 stations doing there, but this is also not featin developed countries it is granted.
            2. +24
              15 March 2020 17: 08
              Quote: your1970
              And why not?
              1953 -38 stations
              2000 -160 stations
              2020 - 325 stations

              And why not. Let's compare with 1913, following your logic.
              1913-0 stations.
              2020-325 stations.
              Hurray. Glory to Putin! Life has become better. Life has become more fun.
              1. -6
                15 March 2020 18: 35
                Quote: DMB 75
                Let's compare with 1913


                Well, why look so far away. Suffice it to compare with the "blessed" 90s.
                1. +20
                  15 March 2020 19: 55
                  А
                  Quote: lopvlad
                  with the "blessed" 90s.

                  And what did Volodya do with us in the "blessed" 90s? Didn't he sell these same factories together with Sobchak?
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                  2. +1
                    17 March 2020 04: 55
                    People who knew him in the 90s say that the phrase “I need to do grandmothers” was the most beloved among Vova.
              2. -2
                16 March 2020 22: 53
                And why not. Let's compare with 1913, following your logic.
                1913-0 stations.
                2020-325 stations.
                Hurray. Glory to Putin! Life has become better. Life has become more fun ..... well, what, the bridge in Vladik and the bridge to the Crimea .... what are you crazy like? I just can’t understand .... back and forth in Kaliningrad we’ll get a megamost, ... doubt it ???? but in vain
            3. -17
              15 March 2020 17: 38
              even here there is enough to say about other resources ...
            4. +15
              15 March 2020 18: 41
              Quote: your1970
              - why not?
              1953 -38 stations
              2000 -160 stations
              2020 - 325 stations

              Indeed, let's compare how many cities in Russia acquired the metro before 1991, and how many after?
              up to 1991 - 6 + 1 citiesconsidering Volgograd
              (metro in the Union republics not taken into account)
              after 1991 - 1 city (Kazan), for 29 years.
            5. +3
              16 March 2020 07: 28
              so, and now we think over the time of Putin how gasoline rose, oil prices fell, gasoline rose, oil rose, gasoline too, urAAAA PUTIN !!! continue to enumerate achievements ???
          3. -7
            15 March 2020 18: 30
            You will go into the forest, and there is a sea of ​​fly agaric and grebes ....
        2. -30
          15 March 2020 16: 09
          I agree with you !!!! A bunch of liberals should have felled in the forest for a long time !!!! And they broadcast everywhere without fear !!!!
          1. -30
            15 March 2020 16: 34
            Quote: Chingachguk
            I agree with you !!!! A bunch of liberals should have felled in the forest for a long time !!!! And they broadcast everywhere without fear !!!!

            Yes, the resource of workers is lost, it is time to provide this category of citizens with stable work!)))))
            1. -35
              15 March 2020 16: 48
              Nice to chat with a smart person !!!!! drinks hi
              1. -5
                16 March 2020 11: 57
                Then Russophobia gradually began to flourish. It’s sad.
            2. -25
              15 March 2020 18: 17
              And minus how the inhabitants of Russia !!!! All for "a better future without Putin!" Well, straight Citizens! With a capital "G" !!!! wassat
              1. +5
                15 March 2020 18: 43
                Quote: Chingachguk
                All for "a better future without Putin!"

                Well, you are, as it were, the most important anti-Putinist in the military. So the Putinists minus you. The rest is anti-softer than you, they just want his departure, and you want to send the old man to Kolyma ... You will find the video yourself where he tears his vest, advocating fierce liberalism, al help?
                PS
                But in general ... To be a Putinist and anti-liberal ... This is what kind of mess you need to have in your head .... About how to say - I am a radical Islamist jihadist. Do not believe? He likes the cross, swear to the Virgin?
                1. -12
                  15 March 2020 18: 51
                  I did not understand anything in your nonsense, but sooo interesting ..... laughing I am for Stalin !!! I think you in Kolyma this will not make it easier to fell trees .... wink
              2. +6
                15 March 2020 21: 13
                Quote: Chingachguk
                All for "a better future without Putin!"

                I could still understand the appeal: "Down with Putin! Long live Ivanov (Petrov, Sidorov, etc.)!"
                But the first sentence without the second for a mile liberostichesky state department stinks!
          2. +20
            15 March 2020 17: 56
            Quote: Chingachguk
            I agree with you !!!! A bunch of liberals would have long had to clear the forest in Kalym !!!

            It's right! All is not lost. At the same time, you will learn how to spell “Kolyma” and how “kalym” ...
            1. -20
              15 March 2020 18: 13
              Well, the first client has matured ..... Have you thought for a long time while writing? laughing Your club of haters of Putin, per km stink ....... wink Well, tell me what the "darkest is bad" and harms the Russian world !!! wassat
          3. +10
            15 March 2020 20: 43
            Quote: Chingachguk
            A bunch of liberals would have long had to clear the forest in Kalym!

            while they are in power - it will not work)))
            1. -1
              16 March 2020 17: 25
              Yeah, give you Sobchak !!!! Or something like that ..... How about Zhirinovsky?
              1. +3
                16 March 2020 17: 56
                Quote: Chingachguk
                Yeah, give you Sobchak !!!!

                alas my friend, as it turned out
                That horse also communed
                with his highly deigned
                on the presidency
                and generally arranged their whole life
                and attached the eldest to the owl fede
                1. -1
                  16 March 2020 19: 37
                  In general ---- save who can !!!! Judging by the statements and grievances on the VO on this topic ......
        3. +22
          15 March 2020 17: 40
          Quote: DMB 75
          Stalin is not good for soles.

          what are the points? In the Stalin era, such citizens were called socially dangerous elements, which automatically meant the Navy !!!
        4. -13
          15 March 2020 19: 08
          Stalin is not good for soles.


          Read and look at one of the merits of Stalin, which you admire so much (Nazin tragedy) -

          It all happened in 1933, when the passport system began to be introduced in the USSR. Not everyone was entitled to passports, but there was no time to carefully deal with each person, therefore, together with real criminals, "dispossessed" and other "enemies of the people" even experienced communists were deported.
          For three weeks people were taken to their place of stay, on the way many fell ill with typhus, there was not enough food, it was not very clear where to accommodate more than 6 thousand people. In the end, the people were landed on the uninhabited island of Nazino, located not far from the place where the Nazinskaya River flows into the Ob.
          The people were practically without clothes, food or any tools. Looting gangs formed almost immediately. They robbed those who had money with them, did not disdain to pull out gold teeth. It got to cannibalism.
          The authorities let everything go to chance, and when the first detachments arrived to restore order, more than a few people died. It wasn't until four or five days later that products began to be dispensed. It was agony. People were in such a hurry that they tried to eat it dry and died of suffocation.
          As a result, over the 13 weeks that people spent on the island, their number decreased from 6100 to 2200. In total, in those years, about two million people were deported.

          It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://weekend.rambler.ru/places/43847941/?utm_content=weekend_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
          1. +26
            15 March 2020 21: 18
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            It is reported by Rambler.

            Well, if this is reported by Rambler laughing
            Rambler he "speaks" like Trotsky.
            Believe rambler - do not respect yourself. Do you have documents confirming the reality of the rambler message or is it worth it to believe the rambler?
            1. -10
              15 March 2020 21: 27
              Quote: Sergey Olegovich
              Documents confirming the reality of the rambler message are

              Here, take an interest, there are scans of the memo:


          2. -4
            16 March 2020 11: 22
            No, this is the merit of the tsar-father, who left all this, that then he had to evict the kulaks, and the quality of the population was such that direct orders and instructions from above were completely ignored.
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          4. -1
            16 March 2020 17: 31
            Here is the place for people like you !!!! Where do you come from such "advanced" only !!!! ???
        5. +5
          15 March 2020 22: 24
          Let's wait patiently until a genius comes to power and leads us with leaps and bounds into a bright future. However, it may happen that an ambitious, but not quite adequate person is at the helm, what then? I happened to read a French historical novel: When the King Ruins France. I would not want something like this to happen to. Russia, especially since there is an example, Ukraine.
      2. -5
        15 March 2020 15: 50
        In Europe, such examples are a dime a dozen. Helmut Coll is 16 years old, now Merkel will go for 4 years. I think the GDP will pass, too many people vote for him (there is no alternative). hi
        1. +30
          15 March 2020 16: 02
          There is no alternative? And where does she come from? The political clearing is completely cleared. The collective farmer Grudinin only registered as a candidate, as he was shot with compromising evidence from all channels.
          What's next? Immortality has not yet been invented. When Putin sets off for the kingdom of heaven, will we vote for a dead Putin?
          We need to whisper to Tereshkova to take the initiative to make GDP the eternal president. And save on the election.
          1. +5
            15 March 2020 16: 43
            Quote: Bearded
            There is no alternative? And where does she come from? The political clearing is completely cleared. The collective farmer Grudinin only registered as a candidate, as he was shot with compromising evidence from all channels.
            What's next? Immortality has not yet been invented. When Putin sets off for the kingdom of heaven, will we vote for a dead Putin?
            We need to whisper to Tereshkova to take the initiative to make GDP the eternal president. And save on the election.


            It's you, just don't follow the latest news in the field of "digitalization of life". wassat

            At Google, "immortality" has already been discovered. And even without Tereshkova's initiatives, they made the GDP "eternal" president for the next 8 thousand years.

            If in the browser "Google Chrome" with the search engine "Google", set a search query
            - President of Russia **** year, where **** is any four-digit number, greater than (equal to) than 2028.
            - You will get a "very interesting result".

            That's what happened to me

            wassat laughing

            Shl. I don't know what it is - Is it a "bug", or a "feature", or "trolling" ?? request lol
          2. -10
            15 March 2020 17: 04
            Collective farmer Grudinin


            Collective farmer Grudinin - it sounds strong especially after he sold the state farm lands of shareholders and put money into his own accounts abroad.
            1. +2
              15 March 2020 17: 41
              Quote: krops777
              Collective farmer Grudinin - it sounds strong especially after he sold the state farm lands of shareholders and put money into his own accounts abroad.

              Please tell me - selling collective farm lands and transferring money to your account is a theft or fraud?
              And why, if the authorities know about it, not a lawsuit on this issue?
              1. -11
                15 March 2020 19: 16
                Quote: Honest Citizen
                And why, if the authorities know about it, not a lawsuit on this issue?

                There is a case:

                Quote: Wick
                In 2018, shareholders of the State Farm named after Lenin ”sued Grudinin, demanding that the deal on the alienation of the state farm’s lands be void in favor of TT Development. The transaction was completed in August 2008, but ordinary shareholders learned about it only ten years later, from media publications. In March 2018, the court recognized the shareholders ’claims for the return of two land plots worth more than 1 billion rubles to the CJSC as fair. Following the decision in October 2018, former collective farm workers filed a lawsuit to recover 1,1 billion rubles from Grudinin [6]. In January 2019, the amount of the claim increased to 2,1 billion rubles.
                1. +9
                  15 March 2020 20: 05
                  And why is the "collective farmer Grudinin" still at large?
                  1. -15
                    15 March 2020 20: 16
                    Quote: Honest Citizen
                    And why is the "collective farmer Grudinin" still at large?

                    If you are really interested - find a business on the Internet and read. If you have a clean chat - sorry, I'm a little busy request
            2. +9
              15 March 2020 18: 33
              Those. Did you just admit that Putin is not fighting criminal offenses? Those. The Ministry of Internal Affairs in vain receives a salary?
              Putinists, ay, answer for a colleague.
            3. -8
              15 March 2020 18: 57
              Quote: krops777
              Collective farmer Grudinin

              It is incorrect to compare the presidential candidate Grudinin with the current president.
              Compare candidates Grudinin and Sobchak, for example.
          3. +17
            15 March 2020 18: 03
            Immortality has not yet been invented.
            .... There is such an option. After death, the body will be launched into space on a ship. The people will be announced that the guarantor has flown into space and will be controlled from there ... And annually broadcast pre-recorded New Year's greetings, nothing complicated ... It was not an easy year etc. etc. laughing
            1. +11
              15 March 2020 19: 03
              Quote: parusnik
              .There is such an option. After death, the body will be launched into space on a ship. The people will be announced that the guarantor has flown into space and will be controlled from there ... And annually broadcast pre-recorded New Year's greetings, nothing complicated ... It was not an easy year, etc. d. etc.

              Alexey hi You just threw the idea to them now ... as if they hadn’t taken it into circulation .. laughing
            2. -1
              16 March 2020 11: 04
              Quote: parusnik
              nothing complicated




          4. +9
            15 March 2020 18: 25
            Quote: Bearded
            What's next? Immortality has not yet been invented. When Putin will go to the kingdom of heavenwill we vote for dead Putin?
            We need to whisper to Tereshkova to take the initiative to make GDP the eternal president. And save on the election.

            Tereshkova and Putin are people who have received education from the Soviet government, honor and respect, but behave ... Here, right to the point:

            There is already an anecdote on the Internet, about how:
          5. -12
            15 March 2020 20: 48
            Quote: Bearded
            We need to whisper to Tereshkova to take the initiative to make GDP the eternal president. And save on the election.

            And what a good idea, dear Borodach! This is a super offer, stroking g ... but everything from without source to leave the country and stop stinking))))))
          6. -5
            16 March 2020 09: 44
            You better whisper to the collective farmer that he would better hide his property in the Baltic States and accounts in foreign banks ..... And then in general, fear and shame are lost ..... Modesty decorates !!!! laughing
        2. +10
          15 March 2020 18: 07
          Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
          In Europe, such examples are a dime a dozen. Helmut Coll is 16 years old, now Merkel will go for 4 years. I think the GDP will pass, too many people vote for him (there is no alternative). hi


          As we approach the date of voting for changes to the Constitution, surprising, if not discouraging, information appears in the media.
          This is not even about procedural violations, such as, for example,
          According to the constitution, amendments can be made to it by deputies of the Duma, but not individually, but by a number of at least one fifth of their total number - that is, 90 people. Therefore, the amendments to the law by Tereshkova, Krasheninnikov, Klishas and others are illegal even not in content, but in the procedure for introducing them into this bill.
          It is about the very organization of a strange event, held not in the form of a referendum, but a poll. And over time, it becomes clear why, in violation of the procedures defined by law, this form of voting is needed.
          As the newspaper Kommersant writes on 14.03.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX
          “37 former members of the Scientific and Expert Council dissolved by Mrs. Pamfilova at the CEC (there were 77 members in total) had comments on the draft, which they passed on Thursday to Ella Pamfilova for review. She promised to consider them soon. ”
          “The experts were primarily confused by the almost twofold reduction in the form of the final protocol, from which it was decided to remove, in particular, the lines concerning the voters ahead of schedule and at home. The refusal of the control lines of the protocol may give rise to assumptions in society about large-scale abuses that cannot be refuted by the numbers on hand, experts say. ”
          Let's take a closer look at what exactly caused the expert comment. Since it has long been known who is hiding in the details. So, as Kommersant reports:
          “Only six lines will remain in the protocol”
          “Compared with the traditional protocol provided for by the current legislation on elections and referenda, it is proposed to exclude all the detailed information on the ballots: how many of them were received by PECs, how many were issued to“ early voters ”, how many voters received at the polling station and outside it, as well as the number of ballots canceled valid contained in portable and stationary drawers. ”
          "The most important information about how the voting went is lost," Arkady Lyubarev, a member of the board of the Golos movement, told Kommersant. "If the usual lines are not returned to the protocol, opportunities for abuse and manipulation open up."
          “If there are too many voters who vote at home, then we can immediately assume that there were abuses, not even delving into them,” the expert says. “But if we have such information in the elections, we decided to exclude it from the protocols during the all-Russian voting. Without it, there will be freedom for abuse. ” 99% of appeals of the results of voting in court are based on the results recorded in the protocols, said the president of the Association of Political Lawyers Roman Smirnov: “Why, if not with the minutes, come to court? Neither the observers, nor the PEC members have any other evidence besides the protocol. ”
          The head of the Institute of Regional Projects and Legislation Boris Nadezhdin in this regard expressed the opinion that early voting and voting at home, which this time will be three days instead of one, expand the possibilities for fraud.

          What I would like to say in this regard. It's my personal opinion. Observing the course, as well as participating in discussions about the changes to the Constitution that are being sharply carried out on the site of the Military Review, it seems that society is at least not ready for mass support for such changes. Meanwhile, VTsIOM published figures according to which two-thirds of Russian citizens can take part in the all-Russian vote on presidential amendments to the Constitution. 45% have definitely decided to come to the polls, another 24% answered the sociologists of the VTsIOM public service "rather yes." Data released Thursday, March 12th.
          But most of all, the following data raise questions raised by VTsIOM. Which of those who come to vote 64% of Russians are ready to vote “more for”. “More likely against” - 15%.

          At the same time, there are other survey data (source kuzpress.ru), and according to them to the question: “Would you like for Vladimir Putin to have the opportunity to be elected for the next term?”
          positively only answers 25%, against 56%, with 19% who found it difficult to answer.
          Place of survey: Russia, all districts
          Cities: 337
          Time: March 11-12, 2020
          Study population: economically active population of Russia over 18 years old
          Sample Size: 1600 respondents

          PS It can be assumed that the planned results of the survey are determined by VTsIOM. Further
          According to the well-known aphorism - Video finis non potest videre impedimenta (from Lat. I see the target, I see no obstacles).
          Otherwise, why such a form of voting as a poll and why such a reduction in the final protocols?

          PPS This is how the vote "for Putin" looks like, upon closer examination. And how can he not win or the amendments not be approved? Therefore, I personally advocate a BOYCOTT of voting on amendments to the Constitution. If anyone is interested, justified logically why. hi
          1. +9
            15 March 2020 19: 09
            Quote: Leshy1975
            I personally advocate a BOYCOTT of voting on amendments to the Constitution

            Do you propose not to vote or vote at all, but against? I’m thinking of going and voting against .. but after reading your comment, the meaning of coming and voting is generally lost .. they have everything already determined there ..
            At the same time, there are other survey data (source kuzpress.ru), and according to them to the question: “Would you like for Vladimir Putin to have the opportunity to be elected for the next term?”
            only 25% respond positively, against 56%, with 19% having difficulty answering

            This figure is close to reality ..
            1. +10
              15 March 2020 19: 36
              Quote: Svarog
              Quote: Leshy1975
              I personally advocate a BOYCOTT of voting on amendments to the Constitution

              Do you propose not to vote or vote at all, but against? I’m thinking of going and voting against .. but after reading your comment, the meaning of coming and voting is generally lost .. they have everything already determined there ..
              At the same time, there are other survey data (source kuzpress.ru), and according to them to the question: “Would you like for Vladimir Putin to have the opportunity to be elected for the next term?”
              only 25% respond positively, against 56%, with 19% having difficulty answering

              This figure is close to reality ..

              Volodya hi . The logic is this. Throughout this illegal procedure, the authorities plan to give a semblance of legitimacy (amendments to the Constitution) through supposedly popular approval. For this, the authorities need two components:
              1) Approval by voting
              2) Mass turnout (what would then give out for the opinion of the majority of the people)

              And if nothing can be done on the first point (voting results). Not that it would be news to us. But apparently the authorities are so aware of all the deplorable results of such a vote for themselves that they are preparing seriously. Completely discarding even hints of legality. Therefore, once again, we (the opponents of such changes) will not be able to influence the results that will be announced at the end, no matter how large the protest vote is. For this case, conditions are created in advance for mass fraud.
              But, we can influence in the second case, i.e. boycott this vote and so make it difficult for authorities to invoke approval by the majority of the people. Yes, they will also try to inflate the appearance. But this is still harder to do. You cannot hide empty polling stations. Moreover, I’m sure that for many sections from the street a video will be recorded and then you can simply even calculate the actual number of people who came to vote and compare with the announced results. In the event that the authorities decide to give at least some detail on certain sections.

              Thus, I STAND FOR A BOYCAST OF THIS VOTING.

              Well, another clarification on this topic.
              1. +14
                15 March 2020 19: 43
                Thanks for the clarification! Now I have decided ... in this situation, really, just a boycott! But for them it will not be a problem .. they will drive out all state employees, the Rosguard police, teachers, etc. and vote as they should ..
                1. +7
                  15 March 2020 19: 48
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Thanks for the clarification! Now I have decided ... in this situation, really, just a boycott! But for them it will not be a problem .. they will drive out all state employees, the Rosguard police, teachers, etc. and vote as they should ..

                  The main thing is that the authorities will find it difficult to refer to the support of the majority. Because low turnout will tell just the opposite. I propose precisely for the boycott of the vote and agitate everyone and wherever possible. hi
                  1. 0
                    15 March 2020 20: 10
                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    The main thing is that the authorities will find it difficult to refer to the support of the majority. Because low turnout will tell just the opposite.

                    But what difference does it make to them from how many of those who came to write their 55-60%? And for the three main channels, they "catch up with the crowd", for the rest - well, just a call from where you need it and the question is closed.
                    1. +4
                      15 March 2020 20: 20
                      Quote: Honest Citizen
                      Quote: Leshy1975
                      The main thing is that the authorities will find it difficult to refer to the support of the majority. Because low turnout will tell just the opposite.

                      But what difference does it make to them from how many of those who came to write their 55-60%? And for the three main channels, they "catch up with the crowd", for the rest - well, just a call from where you need it and the question is closed.

                      There is a difference. 60% at a turnout of 70% is one thing and 60% at a turnout at a turnout, for example, at 25%. The picture is completely different. It will be more difficult for them to say that these changes were made, as they said before: going to meet wishes.
                      Because a counter-argument appears that the people in the majority boycotted this vote. And he did not approve of anything in this case. There is no need to help the authorities in committing an anti-constitutional coup. Let it twist itself. I really hope that certain citizens holding "high positions" will eventually be asked for this. hi
                      1. 0
                        15 March 2020 20: 26
                        I completely accept your arguments, but I just probably don’t understand, and who prevents them from saying what has come more? Than in fact.
                        They lied about the appearance, rigged the results - that is, the result is ... And he is more important for them. After all, the turnout threshold is canceled
                        1. +3
                          15 March 2020 20: 36
                          Quote: Honest Citizen
                          I completely accept your arguments, but I just probably don’t understand, and who prevents them from saying what has come more? Than in fact.
                          They lied about the appearance, rigged the results - that is, the result is ... And he is more important for them. After all, the turnout threshold is canceled

                          I explained above that turnout is more difficult to falsify. Because in the age of the victorious YouTube, there will most likely be a street broadcast (in cities that's for sure), which happened near the polls on election day. And if, for example, it is announced that 1000 people voted in the polling station, and only 200 people who visited the polling station can be counted by video broadcast, then the falsifiers are all the worse.
                          And you won’t check the voting results at all. How much they want to announce, so much will be. Only the fantasy of power will limit the final results. So choose how best to express your disagreement (if you are of course against) with this procedure. hi
                        2. +7
                          15 March 2020 20: 56
                          To me, quite honestly and frankly, I want to put the whole current power on the wall ... Emotions, I'm sorry ..
                        3. +5
                          15 March 2020 21: 07
                          Quote: Honest Citizen
                          To me, quite honestly and frankly, I want to put the whole current power on the wall ... Emotions, I'm sorry ..

                          Be careful, hold back emotions. Do not substitute such statements. Do not forget that some dishes are served cold. You are not the only one who considers the current government to be traitors and grave diggers of our Motherland - the USSR. hi
                        4. +2
                          16 March 2020 10: 49
                          It is useless - for this purpose they introduce voting through public services and at home. The virus is! Everyone will vote at home ... and as it should)
                          Because the sections are empty)))
                        5. 0
                          16 March 2020 12: 02
                          I will go for amendments to vote
                        6. +1
                          16 March 2020 14: 17
                          Yes, who would doubt ... We are full of people who take money in microfinance offices, but in MMM and vice versa carry)
                          The Russian land will not become scarce with "talents" for another 3-4 generations.
              2. +4
                15 March 2020 21: 20
                If the turnout is low, they will simply sign the lists for you in the evening at the polling stations, receive ballots, and tick the “right” boxes. And those who voted "as not necessary" will be removed from the heap.

                However, this does not matter. This is not a referendum, but some kind of obscure poll. Putin has already signed the law; everything is done.
                1. +5
                  15 March 2020 21: 32
                  Quote: rzzz
                  If the turnout is low, they will simply sign the lists for you in the evening at the polling stations, receive ballots, and tick the “right” boxes. And those who voted "as not necessary" will be removed from the heap.

                  However, this does not matter. This is not a referendum, but some kind of obscure poll. Putin has already signed the law; everything is done.

                  Regarding fraud, look at my very first comment in this thread. There I tried to describe everything in great detail. Therefore, only a boycott.
                  Regarding the fact that everything has already been done. I agree with you completely. hi
            2. +1
              15 March 2020 20: 52
              Quote: Svarog
              Do you propose not to vote or vote at all, but against? I’m thinking of going and voting against ..

              CORRECTLY! NEED TO GO AND VOTE SO AS YOU CONSIDER NECESSARY! And do it always!
              1. +3
                15 March 2020 22: 08
                Quote: AndreyS
                Quote: Svarog
                Do you propose not to vote or vote at all, but against? I’m thinking of going and voting against ..

                CORRECTLY! NEED TO GO AND VOTE SO AS YOU CONSIDER NECESSARY! And do it always!

                Just what exactly you, who writes about another, actually ironic comment, need to whisper to Tereshkova to come up with the initiative to make GDP the eternal president.
                And what a good idea, dear Borodach! This is a super offer, stroking g ... but everything from without source to leave the country and stop stinking))))))
                and call to come to this vote. It is the best argument for boycotting this vote. Thank you for such a confirmation, namely, that pro-government commentators are calling to come to the polls. hi
                1. 0
                  16 March 2020 22: 48
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  Just what exactly you, who writes about another, actually ironic comment, need to whisper to Tereshkova to come up with the initiative to make GDP the eternal president.

                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  and call to come to this vote.

                  It is dear Leshiy1975] to go and vote having an opinion, for or against people decide. A boycott is pouring water into the mill for those who fake signatures, etc. don't want to vote spoil the ballot. It is I who urge to go and vote because I believe that the opinions of all do not have to coincide with mine, I can try to prove my position, and not indiscriminately accuse all election commissions of
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  Regarding fraud, look at my very first comment in this thread. There I tried to describe everything in great detail.

                  I personally believe in people and believe that not everywhere and not everyone is engaged in falsification. I've seen enough and heard enough in my life, so as not to sit in pink glasses about any candidate. I saw how the communists, the United Russia party, the Yabloko people and other various "comrades" were stealing and stealing. I already wrote on VO more than once that in the 90s the capitalists came to power (and with them thieves, robbers, robbers, swindlers, etc. And you don't even need to prove this, because I personally watched Boris Nemtsov, who was a "katala", I hope This term tells you something) and then the justice and social orientation of the state ended. I doubt that something will change for the better. Because all those who are striving for power very much remind me of the one who climbed into power then in the 90s. I don't want such a government and a president.
                  And all your boycotts are toys of fools, because you don’t see beyond your nose and people like you are ready to plunge my country again into the poverty and lawlessness that was in those days, considering your opinion to be the last resort, and everyone who does not agree with him should shut up.
                  Changes for the better can come only when our children become better than us, when they learn to have compassion and pity, help without any background from the heart. And we must teach them this ... I taught my own, and you?
          2. -18
            15 March 2020 20: 01
            PPS This is how the vote "for Putin" looks like, upon closer examination. And how can he not win or the amendments not be approved? Therefore, I personally support the BOYCOTT of voting on amendments to the Constitution.
            ========================
            US (in the majority of Russians) is satisfied with the "process" of amendments.
            You can stand aside.
            1. +9
              15 March 2020 20: 10
              Quote: primaala
              PPS This is how the vote "for Putin" looks like, upon closer examination. And how can he not win or the amendments not be approved? Therefore, I personally support the BOYCOTT of voting on amendments to the Constitution.
              ========================
              US (in most Russians) satisfied with the "process" of amendments.
              You can stand aside.

              And why did you decide that I or Svarog are not citizens of the Russian Federation? And why did you decide that most Russians
              satisfied with the "process" of amendments
              ? Even judging by the mood at VO, the support for the changes already looks very doubtful. And let's ask the VO administration together with you to conduct a test survey: FOR or AGAINST these changes to the Constitution. And let's see firsthand the opinion of people.

              PS. Well, as I understand the data (with links to sources), as I understand it, you will not even try to refute it. Consider your statement from the majority opinion
              US (in most Russians)
              already enough? This is not serious, Alla. hi
              1. -9
                15 March 2020 20: 23
                PS Well, the data I cited (with links to sources)
                ==========================
                I can assume WHO are these "sources". And she didn't look.
                I carefully studied the Constitution of the Russian Federation, which was written in the 90s, at the suggestion of foreign "consultants". And also got acquainted with the amendments. (Current). It makes no sense for you to convince me. Believe it !!! Today the people of Russia are NOT fools. ...
                Sytina, Amnueli, Nadezhdin and others will NOT affect the minds. Let them say thanks to our GDP, which allows THEM to say a word. By the way. You often write like it was with KobA.
                He wouldn't talk. It would be a long time ago that Kolyma was mastered by the "clever" liberals.
                You misunderstand the word DEMOCRACY. Where it is (countries), it is Russia.
                "They say" and those who are not able to collect two words to a heap.
                Oh yes ... today I listened to Kedmi's speech. The guy changed his mind to assess the actions both on the amendment and on the armament ... And he simply said: "he loves Israel." (laughing).
                Well, cho !!! I cut down the loot for an empty bum, I decided to suck)))
                1. +10
                  15 March 2020 20: 48
                  Quote: primaala
                  By the way. You often write like it was with "KobA".
                  He wouldn't talk. It would be a long time ago that Kolyma was mastered by the "clever" liberals.

                  Alla, why are you? What liberals, what Kolyma ?! With IVS, some (a very fabulous leader, but not me Leshy laughing) for any Kolyma, even, unlike the liberals you mentioned, I could not even hope for. Only hardcore, only derrick (along with a group of close conspirators). You are not a very good example.
                  I can assume WHO are these "sources". And she didn't look.

                  Well, right. I, too, do not trust many of these sources and their data. After all, they include VTsIOM and the Electoral Commission, led by E. Pamfilova. Do not believe them! That's right, take an example from me. laughing
                  1. -11
                    15 March 2020 20: 56
                    Alla, why are you? What liberals, what Kolyma ?!
                    ==========================
                    Question to question ??? So it’s not interesting.
                    Constructive dialogue is an indicator of the dynamics of the mind. lol
                    So, I won’t compete with you.
                    1. +7
                      15 March 2020 21: 25
                      Quote: primaala
                      Alla, why are you? What liberals, what Kolyma ?!
                      ==========================
                      Question to question ??? So it’s not interesting.
                      Constructive dialogue is an indicator of the dynamics of the mind. lol
                      So, I won’t compete with you.

                      It is difficult to conduct a constructive dialogue if you immediately refused to refute the data I have given, and instead went into other questions and concepts, to the extent that I supposedly
                      You misunderstand the word DEMOCRACY
                      . Although I did not even discuss the topic of democracy. Therefore, how can you know how exactly I understand the meaning of democracy?
                      However, I agree with you. Compete just in the sharpness of the mind, and not on issues of principle, there is not much point. Good luck, Alla. hi
                      1. -8
                        15 March 2020 21: 32
                        It is difficult to conduct a constructive dialogue if you immediately refused to refute the data I have given
                        ==========================
                        Better to show than to argue. You start from the articles of "analysts", but I will show (a couple of pictures) a part of what was built during the GDP. I never tire of repeating - to break, not to build.
                        You’ll get tired of watching if I’ll start throwing more than one object ... (and not just nave \ gas prm-sti).

                        1. +8
                          15 March 2020 21: 51
                          Quote: primaala
                          It is difficult to conduct a constructive dialogue if you immediately refused to refute the data I have given
                          ==========================
                          Better to show than to argue. You start from the articles of "analysts", but I will show (a couple of pictures) a part of what was built during the GDP. I never tire of repeating - to break, not to build.
                          You’ll get tired of watching if I’ll start throwing more than one object ... (and not just nave \ gas prm-sti).


                          Alla, I’m an extremely unsuccessful object for pro-government agitation. Find a more suitable one according to your abilities.
                          Otherwise, I will give you such a list of enterprises destroyed by GDP, in addition to a catastrophic population decline, supplemented by a catastrophic impoverishment in recent years. And no pictures of yours can block the fact that under Putin, Russia, even in the field of food security, has increased its dependence on the West.
                        2. -6
                          15 March 2020 22: 06
                          Otherwise, I will give you such a list of enterprises destroyed by GDP
                          ====================
                          Usually a person’s view is blurred by the example of cities / towns in which they live. Apparently you live in places where there was no sense in preserving old technologies. In no case do not want to offend you. This is an example.
                          Previously, as it was, economic zoning (climate, etc.) was taken into account.
                          We took into account the harmfulness of production. Heavy industry - URAL.
                          well, etc. Chemical / chemical factories were built remotely from settlements.
                          And if with GDP, which they did NOT begin to restore, then there was no need.
                          But Krasnodar is developing in full swing. If we talk about products. Vegetable greenhouses are built in hectares. We must also take into account (when criticizing) Russia is not the equator.
                          But the capital has become a rubber. Everyone is looking for a warmer place.
                          Before you judge, you need to start with yourself. What did I do. And what am I doing. (figuratively).
                          Thanks for the conversation. All the best. Meet me at the vote. Yes
                        3. +9
                          15 March 2020 22: 20
                          Quote: primaala
                          Thanks for the conversation. All the best. Meet me at the vote.

                          All the best. hi Voting boycott! Putin to resign! General re-election. Yes
                2. -8
                  15 March 2020 21: 00
                  Quote: primaala
                  I carefully studied the Constitution of the Russian Federation, which was written in the 90s, at the suggestion of foreign "consultants". And also got acquainted with the amendments. (Current). It makes no sense for you to convince me. Believe it !!! Today the people of Russia are NOT fools. ...

                  BRAVO! One of the few voices on VO who told the truth. Unfortunately, there are a lot of "citizens" of Russia like (Leshy1975 and Svarog) here, and it will be an eye crying in the desert.
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  And why did you decide that I or Svarog are not citizens of the Russian Federation?

                  Well, here dear goof if my memory serves me dear Svarog was positioned on the site on the flag as a citizen of a slightly different state than Russia)))
              2. -10
                15 March 2020 20: 27
                Quote: Leshy1975
                let's ask the VO administration to conduct a test survey with you

                In VO there is a very specific horse Tingent, in addition, it is full of all kinds of dark acces, from which it is generally unclear who writes. Non-reluctance. The sample is not representative request

                Quote: Leshy1975
                a counter-argument appears that the people are just in the majority and boycotted this vote

                Leshy, the words "allowed electronic voting for the State Service" kills your reasoning in the bud. My condolences. Stop torturing Klava already laughing
                1. +1
                  16 March 2020 11: 00
                  Well, my personal sample is also unrepresentative, but these are people aged 35-55 years, with higher education (often> 1), 2-6 children, middle-income, IT workers, managers or business owners. Everyone's opinion is quite definite and sharply negative in relation to our government, after 2008.
                  But the opinion of people who know how to professionally analyze information and make forecasts is not interesting for you?
              3. -6
                16 March 2020 11: 03
                already enough? This is not serious, Alla.
                ====================
                What is the point of entering into a discussion !? If right there ... hunters complain and minus.
                Of course, I have network "regalia" side by side, it's just unpleasant to watch how little people do dirty tricks.
                If reasonable Russians (or the same intelligent immigrants) write in defense of Russia, and immediately forbid to open their mouths, then what is the point of creating such a serious VO site !? I really don't understand !!!
                And the conclusion - enemies around !!! )) (as always, I treat everything with humor).
            2. -4
              16 March 2020 09: 57
              Strange, like that. Here, on the issue of amendments, some minuscule members gathered .... They are afraid of Russia's strengthening, they are afraid that Putin will be able to take part in the elections again. Everyone apparently hoped that only Navalny and Ksenia Sobchak would participate, and here it is on you! Just awful!!! For the sake of these comrades and the like, I would choose Zhirinovsky .... He would not have fussed with such .... angry negative crying
          3. +5
            15 March 2020 20: 03
            Quote: Leshy1975
            Therefore, amendments to the law by Tereshkova, Krasheninnikov, Klishas and others are illegal even not in content, but in the procedure for introducing them into this bill.

            An interesting video, but now not from the Altai Territory, but from Karelia, and although I wasn’t standing next to the Yabloko players, I watched it with interest.
            1. +14
              15 March 2020 20: 28
              Quote: Anatole Klim
              Quote: Leshy1975
              Therefore, amendments to the law by Tereshkova, Krasheninnikov, Klishas and others are illegal even not in content, but in the procedure for introducing them into this bill.

              An interesting video, but now not from the Altai Territory, but from Karelia, and although I wasn’t standing next to the Yabloko players, I watched it with interest.

              Yes, women once again demonstrate that many of them are more honest, decent and bolder than many of us (men). Here too (source of Yakutia, info):
              "The Only Man in Il Tumen": MP Sulustan Myraan resigned in disagreement with unconstitutional amendments

              PS And some say that in Russia there are no worthy people (in their opinion, apart from Putin, of course). Yes, here they are. Respect and my personal bow to those chosen by the people who were not afraid, did not go to an argument of conscience, but directly opposed the usurpation of power. hi
            2. +2
              15 March 2020 22: 05
              Quote: Anatol Klim
              Anatole Klim (Anatoly) Today, 20:03 New

              And I was struck by the reaction of the "colonel" of justice or what was it? But the reaction is very characteristic: Not listening to words from words at all! But I no longer "approve"!
          4. -3
            16 March 2020 09: 47
            Well, there is a constitutional court .... I think he will justify everything ..... Or are there also all GRUSHNIKI working as judges? laughing
        3. -15
          15 March 2020 18: 43
          Give an alternative and will vote. No problems. Find the best and go to the polls. Grudinin pinned up a collective farmer with accounts abroad. Should I vote for him? .. He would have built his collective farm beyond the Urals and not at the Moscow Ring Road.
          1. -3
            15 March 2020 21: 32
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            Give an alternative and will vote.

            good
        4. +5
          15 March 2020 21: 30
          Example is not appropriate
          Merkel is not a president and has no president’s power, Germany is not a presidential country at all
          The nominee, appointed by the parliamentary majority, can be removed at any time, unlike the president, who is the head of state, no matter how much power he has, even if symbolic
      3. +17
        15 March 2020 15: 50
        If only young politicians were paralyzed ..

        You can safely add: and it allows you to grow sneaks in power, tied primarily to opportunism and personal devotion.
        1. +8
          15 March 2020 16: 08
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          and allows you to grow sneakers in power, tied primarily to opportunism and personal devotion.

          In the Kinder Surprise incubator. hi
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        1. +24
          15 March 2020 16: 12
          Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
          it works
          Where are the results of work for 20 years?
          1. +27
            15 March 2020 16: 45
            Quote: Greenwood
            Where are the results of work for 20 years?

            I think you should watch Forbes magazine. There they are best reflected.
          2. -5
            15 March 2020 22: 02
            Well, yes, but the results of the Communist Party oh, how noticeable)))) as there were oligophrenics and leeches, they remained
        2. +7
          15 March 2020 16: 14
          Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
          but among socialists and komunyug talkers, the rating is right off scale .... sternesses and platoshkins idols and public leaders)))

          Only a bot can mix in one pile of Grudinin and Platoshkin.
          1. -9
            15 March 2020 22: 03
            which you proved to yourself
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          1. +12
            15 March 2020 18: 05
            Quote: Theodore Rasp
            The whole bastard, which after the nineties was driven under the bench, is trying to take revenge!

            laughing As they said on one resource: "This five!"
            All who "distinguished themselves" in the 90s and now feel good, and in the Kremlin they have not diminished.
            1. -2
              15 March 2020 22: 05
              duck and those who used to show off party tickets and Komsomol badges also feel pretty good on the Forbes list
          2. 0
            15 March 2020 18: 25
            Quote: Theodore Rasp
            anti-Putin cattle

            Sounds like vegan meat-eaters ...
          3. +22
            15 March 2020 19: 02
            Quote: Theodore Rasp
            I really hope for the administrative resource!

            but honestly, without muhlezh, weak? there will be a resource for you laughing
            1. -6
              15 March 2020 22: 33
              Quote: Silvestr
              but honestly, without muhlezh, weak?

              And this is written by a person repeatedly noticed here on outright fakes)
              1. +13
                15 March 2020 23: 28
                Quote: Less
                And this is written by a person repeatedly noticed here on outright fakes)

                Examples in the studio! In the meantime: blah blah love
                1. -2
                  16 March 2020 07: 47
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Examples in the studio! In the meantime: blah blah

                  Didn’t you write that Sberbank sent you an SMS in which it reported the tax on transfers from your card and didn’t you ignore the request of several people to provide this SMS for review?
                  Didn't you write about a tax on buildings such as toilets and gave an example of a picture of a nesting box-type toilet?
                  Refute - the floor is yours hi tongue
                  1. +5
                    16 March 2020 12: 17
                    Quote: Less
                    Refute - the floor is yours

                    I’ll be back for a big computer and I’ll answer for sure
                    1. 0
                      16 March 2020 12: 23
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      I will answer

                      We are waiting
                      1. +5
                        16 March 2020 14: 43
                        [quote = Loess] Sberbank sent you an SMS in which it reported the tax on transfers from your card


                        [quote = Loess] about the tax on the construction of toilets [/ quote]
                        According to Article 401 of the Tax Code of the Russian Federation in paragraphs 6, 1, the object of taxation, among others, are other buildings, structures, premises and buildings. It is clear that on the basis of such a wording under paragraph 6, you can bring almost any property.
                        Buildings with a foundation are real estate and may be taxed, because the tax is for capital buildings. Buildings without foundation - relate to movable property, and property tax does not apply to temporary buildings of individuals.
                        To prove the fact that there is no close connection with the land (if the Federal Tax Service Inspector has not verified your reports), it is necessary to order from the cadastral engineer an opinion on the recognition of the object as movable. It is cheaper to order such certificates at BTI, the cost is from 500 rubles and more.
                        So take a certificate about a toilet that does not have a close connection with the ground laughing
                        1. 0
                          16 March 2020 16: 20
                          Oh, Sylvester, well, you are prolific in commenting. Well, no
                          I was looking for you, for myself - I thought it really and really in vain put up a claim to a person. I’m not going to look for toilets - you have more comments than just a lot, but I have to go far now, and even come back at night.


                          Silvestr (Sylvester) June 15, 2018 16:56
                          +1
                          Peskov answered the question about Putin’s promise not to raise the retirement age
                          What Putin’s opponents talked about has happened. Where are you putinoids? Where is your enthusiasm, fuse? Are you satisfied now? SMS has just arrived: now card transfers are subject to 13% tax. Hurray, gentlemen, comrades? Is it too much trouble or zrada?


                          PS Just for fun: was it SMS?
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      5. +17
        15 March 2020 15: 59
        Stalin took Russia in his bast shoes, and left it After the creation of the atomic bomb
      6. +4
        15 March 2020 16: 01
        Of course it will remain, the deadlines are all reset
        1. -7
          15 March 2020 16: 28

          Of course it will remain, the deadlines are all reset

          Not yet. How to vote.
          1. Fat
            +2
            15 March 2020 18: 01
            Quote: Arzt

            Of course it will remain, the deadlines are all reset

            Not yet. How to vote.

            We will not vote for zeroing. This amendment is administered by the Duma, Federation Council and regional legislative assemblies .. ((((
            The Federal Law, since it is not related to either Chapter 1 or Chapter 2 of the Constitution.
      7. -19
        15 March 2020 16: 06
        So it will be, only in contrast to Stalin, Putin’s efficiency is zero ..

        And who do you think Russia raised from Yeltsin's crap? Who restored the army, icebreakers and bridges under whose leadership? One Crimea is worth it.
        Yes, with the word Russia in the west, hysteria also lies in their pants, but here the efficiency is zero ...
        1. +12
          15 March 2020 16: 12
          Quote: Fedorov
          One Crimea is worth it.

          "Since March 15, 2014, a land plot of 52 thousand square kilometers in the central part of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which until now was considered international waters, was transferred to Russia. This right was assigned to Russia by the UN. Thus, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk became completely Russia's internal sea."
          And this also happened under Putin.
          1. +6
            15 March 2020 18: 00
            Did you modestly keep silent about the gift to the Norwegians of the Barents Sea?
            1. -7
              15 March 2020 18: 13
              Quote: Gardamir
              About the gift to the Norwegians

              belay It can’t be - he did it ... wassat For the 100500th time I started a norgo-plate. fellow Is anyone else being driven on this bullshit? laughing
            2. -7
              15 March 2020 18: 42
              Quote: Gardamir
              Did you modestly keep silent about the gift to the Norwegians of the Barents Sea?

              Before asking a question, would you at least briefly familiarize yourself with the substance of the question.
              Highlights briefly:
              1) Russian sovereignty has never extended to this territory. Therefore, no one gave the "native Russian" land to anyone.
              2) In reality, it is a VICTORY of Russian diplomats, since we now have the right to consider applications for joining 1 million 200 thousand square meters. km Arctic shelf. Without a clear border between the Russian Federation and Norway, this application would not even have been considered, in full accordance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which we signed in 1997.
              3) This agreement (on the delineation of maritime spaces and cooperation in the Barents Sea and the Arctic Ocean) is NEVER reflected in previously concluded agreements. Including Svalbard. This is expressly stated in the 6 contract clause. Moreover, he gives us a little more rights.
              4) For hydrocarbons. Shtokman as it was ours, and remained. Some small deposits have departed to Norway, yes. But without differentiating rights, it was still impossible to develop either Norway or Russia.
          2. Fat
            +1
            15 March 2020 23: 13
            Quote: Vladimir_6
            Quote: Fedorov
            One Crimea is worth it.

            "Since March 15, 2014, a land plot of 52 thousand square kilometers in the central part of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which until now was considered international waters, was transferred to Russia. This right was assigned to Russia by the UN. Thus, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk became completely Russia's internal sea."
            And this also happened under Putin.

            Under Putin, the civil war (2nd Chechen) ended officially at 0 a.m. April 16, 2009 ...
        2. +16
          15 March 2020 16: 16
          Quote: Fedorov
          icebreakers and bridges
          You don’t think this is a bit of a thing to boast about against the background of 20 million poor people in the country and the unstable ruble exchange rate. And all the "great" construction projects, by the way, were accompanied by numerous corruption scandals, embezzlement of funds, non-payment of wages to workers, strikes and bankruptcies. For example, the Ussuriysk TMK CJSC, which was building a bridge over the Golden Horn in Vladivostok for the 2012 APEC summit and the facilities of the Vostochny cosmodrome, went bankrupt.
          Quote: Fedorov
          at the word Russia in the west, pants fit and hysteria
          From laughter, perhaps. Looking at the attempts of Russian leaders to portray a superpower.
          1. +2
            15 March 2020 16: 21
            Completely, suddenly, having forgotten the German language "Putin", which he used to know perfectly. wink
        3. +22
          15 March 2020 16: 18
          Quote: Fedorov
          And who do you think Russia raised from Yeltsin's crap? Who restored the army, icebreakers and bridges under whose leadership? One Crimea is worth it.
          Yes, with the word Russia in the west, hysteria also lies in their pants, but here the efficiency is zero ...


          Do you think that you need to constantly compare with the 90th? Russia was raised from the dirt by the price of oil / gas and the sale of resources over a hill, and that mainly raised a narrow circle of people close to GDP, and the rest of the population, for the most part, survives ... Crimea, well done that you returned, but at the same time lost all of Ukraine, But Donbass was afraid to return, like Transnistria from South Ossetia, whose inhabitants also wanted to join Russia, but the authorities pretended not to see.
        4. +12
          15 March 2020 19: 05
          Quote: Fedorov
          And who do you think Russia raised from Yeltsin's crap?

          oil prices!

          Quote: Fedorov
          Yes, at the word Russia in the west, pants fit and hysteria

          it's in your dreams laughing
          Especially the Saudis are so afraid that they are preparing the price of 12 bucks per barrel
        5. -3
          15 March 2020 21: 41
          Quote: Fedorov
          And who do you think Russia raised from Yeltsin's crap?

          They either do not want to remember it as a bad dream, or they don’t remember it from an early age. And it is worth remembering how Yeltsin's "trap" praised and supported by sending their experts to the elections. And how they hate Putin, wanting to overthrow him by any means. Why's that!?
        6. -1
          16 March 2020 01: 08
          Quote: Fedorov
          So it will be, only in contrast to Stalin, Putin’s efficiency is zero ..

          And who do you think Russia raised from Yeltsin's crap? Who restored the army, icebreakers and bridges under whose leadership? One Crimea is worth it.
          Yes, with the word Russia in the west, hysteria also lies in their pants, but here the efficiency is zero ...


          and you have been in the 'West' for a long time, and what, I’m embarrassed to ask?
        7. 0
          16 March 2020 04: 57
          Quote: Fedorov
          So it will be, only in contrast to Stalin, Putin’s efficiency is zero ..

          And who do you think Russia raised from Yeltsin's crap? Who restored the army, icebreakers and bridges under whose leadership? One Crimea is worth it.
          Yes, with the word Russia in the west, hysteria also lies in their pants, but here the efficiency is zero ...

          You have forgotten about the unopened ring, mandial and three temples a day. Oh yes, "Vostochny" yet, "clipper" and "federation"
          Well, she was sent there with their breakthroughs.
      8. +5
        15 March 2020 17: 23
        So, if Putin will restore, or recreate the USSR, take up the economy truly, prohibit it by law, and review the results of the seizure, he will completely take away the loot from the khanygs from the authorities for corruption in favor of the people, and shoot them themselves, then even under these conditions he will still be in power !
        1. +14
          15 March 2020 19: 11
          Quote: Thrifty
          So, if Putin will restore, or recreate the USSR

          do you believe that With those moods in the former republics?
          Quote: Thrifty
          real economy

          what prevented him from doing 20 years?

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          2. +2
            16 March 2020 09: 19
            It’s like in Korea. Each election to choose a new president who was imprisoned.
      9. -6
        15 March 2020 17: 40
        COMRADE
        The provocation of a representative of a small country, which, moreover, is an open satellite of the United States, was almost a success. He blundered something and so many responses.
        Something this representative of * bright heads * of Denmark did not bother with Danish problems, concern for Danish democracy does not at all ..... (touches). Is there democracy in Denmark that he is so zealous about other countries?
        By the way, in Denmark, even distant relatives of the * royal family * are very well arranged both in terms of career and in terms of finances. But there is no * concern for democracy * in other countries such that * they cannot * eat *.
        1. -4
          15 March 2020 18: 37
          Thank you for the downsides of those offended for * Danish democracy *.
          1. The comment was deleted.
      10. +1
        15 March 2020 18: 56
        So it will be, only in contrast to Stalin, Putin’s efficiency is zero ..


        Right so zero? Putin saved the country, pulled it out of poverty and debt. The economy under Putin, so that they do not grow moo, Russia today produces so many agricultural products that it earns $ 25 billion a year on its exports, industry creates cars of all types and classes from cars to special and agricultural, ships and planes and engines for them are built .

        The average salary in Russia is



        Crimea and Sevastopol returned to Russia.

        If only young politicians would be paralyzed .. It will paralyze the development of the country .. with all the sad consequences.


        And why does it paralyze them? In Russia, the elections have not been canceled, Putin does not like, vote for another, go as an observer to the polling station from the candidate you sympathize with, make sure everything goes smoothly.

        The problem is that not a single politician can be compared with Putin either in terms of efficiency or public support, and this paralyzes them.

        And somehow with the NEW politicians in our parties and among self-nominated people, not very, as a rule, the same people.

        Or is it Putin should make himself a political competitor ?!
        1. +9
          15 March 2020 19: 38
          Take inflation from these signs over the years and you will understand that you didn’t start living better, rather worse! bully
          1. -5
            15 March 2020 19: 59
            Take inflation from these signs over the years and you will understand that you didn’t start living better, rather worse! bully


            Well, why didn’t you bother to put a sign with annual inflation? Not so clearly because.

            I lived and worked at that time and I have something to compare with, so you do not even try to impose your nonsense on me.

            There is inflation, but even taking into account inflation, life in Russia has become many times better. In 1998, the dollar was already 24 rubles, now it is 75, count 3 times more expensive, and the average salary has grown 20 times !!!
            1. +3
              15 March 2020 20: 09
              wink what a funny ... average zp 98god 3000r ... is it a lope in the green ...? what ... And the average now .... count .... nice man hi on this I bow ... wink
              1. -2
                15 March 2020 21: 49
                Quote: Popuas
                what a funny ... average zp 98god 3000r.

                In 2001, I retired with d / d 3 for "everything-about everything", now my pension is more than 300 not green.
              2. Fat
                +1
                15 March 2020 23: 31
                Quote: Popuas
                wink what a funny ... average zp 98god 3000r ... is it a lope in the green ...? what ... And the average now .... count .... nice man hi on this I bow ... wink

                Counted out of harmfulness. In 1999, $ 56 this year $ 520
                Apologies are accepted....)))))
            2. -2
              15 March 2020 20: 30
              factor of
              This is the only achievement the whole country began to speak in an illiterate thug. Hack on your nose correctly in Russian "several times".
          2. -1
            15 March 2020 21: 20
            Quote: Popuas

            Popuas (Maxim) Today, 19:38 NEW
            +2
            Take inflation from these signs over the years and you will understand that you didn’t start living better, rather worse!

            Well, I’m looking at the street and I can directly see how they began to live worse. For 2-3 cars in the family, they swell right from hunger. You really have to talk less about living badly, I look at myself and my family. If the WTO doesn’t remember, then I still remember Yeltsen’s times when in the family I had a whole day’s meal of soup made from doshirak and two shorts. Yes, I live now not as I would like, but obviously better than in the dashing 90s. Yes, and salaries do not correspond to the ones that are on this table, and many have low living standards, but then it was a hundred times worse. I'm not talking about the criminal situation.
        2. -7
          15 March 2020 20: 20
          but about inflation, rising prices, you bashfully forgot your memory
      11. -2
        15 March 2020 19: 10
        An interesting comparison, the main thing is that it is completely absurd: J.V. Stalin led the USSR at the stage of the country's formation and before the Victory in the Second World War, and the external enemy was essentially one - the 3rd Reich, and the Yankees sat across the ocean with their tongues in the railway station. .. and quietly calculated the profits from "participation" in World War II.
        And now we live surrounded by enemies, and inside the country there is enough (from the mayor-boyar to the thief-oligarchs) and the WORLD NOW WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
        (with all due respect: would you still compare the work efficiency of Vladimir Putin with Ivan III the Terrible)
      12. +3
        15 March 2020 22: 39
        Quote: Svarog
        .... If only young politicians would be paralyzed .. This will paralyze the development of the country .. with all the sad consequences.
        Well yes, it is. And young politicians ----- who is this, I wonder? In my opinion, we have those politicians, officials, mainly, who came in the 90s? Perhaps they manage so that the development of the country is paralyzed, otherwise they can’t.
      13. +1
        16 March 2020 06: 01
        Yes - the Danes are harnessing!
        But they themselves are not far from us.
        Once in Denmark, on a business trip, I was amazed at the huge number of portraits of Queen Margrethe.
        They were everywhere. At the tram stops. In the shop windows. On the walls of houses.
        I asked fellow Danes, Jon:
        “Why do you love your queen so much?” We are scolding us for the Stalinist personality cult, and you yourself ... The government over there - hate! ..
        “So the queen got it from God,” Jon smiled meekly, “and the Copenhagen fools in parliament voted for the government ...”
        - But the people elected the parliament! - I did not give up.
        “That's why they are sitting alone in it,” the resourceful colleague laughed ...
        I recall this dialogue of ours and smile.
        The relationship between the people and the authorities is about the same everywhere.
        Someone rules from God, and someone the fools reassigned to the elect ...
        Choose us. In April... wink
      14. +1
        16 March 2020 06: 50
        Quote: Svarog
        If only young politicians were paralyzed ..

        Please, if you can, name the young politicians who are sensible. Only not balabols, but adequate business executives and managers who have not achieved success in the field of "empty talking shop and condemnation of someone's wrong actions." Thank you.
        P / S But GDP with I.V. Stalin, of course, was not near. negative
      15. +1
        16 March 2020 11: 24
        So I imagine how in 60 years they will laugh at people like you, as they are now at anti-Stalinists.
      16. 0
        17 March 2020 09: 54
        They stopped letting us go to the Olympics, but no WADA will hinder us from world records for the duration of government by the state. So let our ill-wishers rub off.lol
    2. +8
      15 March 2020 15: 47
      "This paralyzes the young generation of Russian politicians, hitting their ambitions and willingness to move up the career ladder in the political system ..." If by young politicians they mean all sorts of bulk and other rabble trained by Western special forces, let them paralyze.
      1. +7
        15 March 2020 16: 00
        Quote: Captive
        understand all sorts of bulk and other rabble coached by Western specials
        And if young politicians are understood as energetic patriots with a bunch of ideas, projects, reforms that in the future can improve the economy, improve the economic and social indicators of the country's development ?! Or are you basically not considering such an option? Everything is as usual with Putininoids: either Putin or pro-Western liberalists. They don’t see anything else.
        1. -1
          15 March 2020 16: 03
          Quote: Greenwood
          And if young politicians are understood as energetic patriots with a bunch of ideas, projects, reforms that in the future can improve the economy, improve the economic and social indicators of the country's development ?!

          Give a link to the program of at least one such.
          1. -1
            15 March 2020 16: 05
            Quote: Spade
            Give a link to the program of at least one such.
            Hmm, open a program such as the Communist Party and read. But there are many young and energetic politicians, the same Bondarenko, Konovalov, etc.
            1. +2
              15 March 2020 16: 10
              Quote: Greenwood
              Hmm, open a program such as the Communist Party and read.

              These traitors are definitely not needed.
              Once I have already voted for them.
              And their program is, to put it mildly, stupid.

              Just howls about "build thousands of enterprises" what are they worth .... Why build new ones if tens of thousands of old ones don't really work.
              Similarly, about "nationalization" - do we have few officials? Is it necessary to increase their number by an order of magnitude?
              1. +4
                15 March 2020 16: 19
                Quote: Spade
                These traitors are definitely not needed.
                Not there traitors are looking. All the traitors hid their party tickets and repainted as democrats, now they are sitting in Edra and are talking about the invisible hand of the market, which will solve all the problems of Russia for them.
                Quote: Spade
                And their program is, to put it mildly, stupid.
                Any program is discussed and adjusted over time. EdRa program against their background, even open funny.
                1. +1
                  15 March 2020 17: 31
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Not there traitors are looking.

                  Why look for them.
                  They betrayed their own in the fall of 1993. The people who voted for them were in the summer of 1996.
                  No searches needed
                2. -1
                  16 March 2020 12: 01
                  Yeah, some in EdRe, others in the Communist Party and together they play this circus. Although what is the essence of EdRa and what they are playing, I do not really understand. Party "to be".
              2. +7
                15 March 2020 16: 36
                Quote: Spade
                These traitors are definitely not needed.
                Once I have already voted for them.

                Quote: Spade
                And their program is, to put it mildly, stupid.

                So you voted for a silly program?
                But nothing that the guarantor of the elections went without a program at all? And the fact that its programs are not running seems to suit you ..
                1. -16
                  15 March 2020 17: 07
                  Quote: Svarog
                  But nothing that the guarantor of the elections went without a program at all?

                  Behind the guarantor are real things that are better than any program.

                  Communist Party programs and other breasts of Nina - pink water ... and how much you do not spam here - you will not change anything, buddy love
                  1. +13
                    15 March 2020 18: 20
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Behind the guarantor - real things

                    I agree with you ...
                    Poverty and a hopeless future ...
                    1. -11
                      15 March 2020 18: 22
                      Quote: DMB 75
                      Poverty and a hopeless future ...

                      I love talkers, it's funny with them ... go on, go on Yes
                      1. AUL
                        +10
                        15 March 2020 19: 32
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        I love talkers, it’s funny with them ...

                        Dear Golovan Jack!
                        Sorry to raise this question a second time, but I'm just terribly interested.
                        Here I completely accidentally knocked out some numbers according to your rating for two dates. And here is what I got:
                        13.03 2020 9-40 rating 222 649
                        13.03.2020/18/10 234-587 rating XNUMX XNUMX
                        Total +11 938
                        During this period you received 303 "+" and 338 "-", as a result -35. (You can check everything personally, although, of course, you are not interested. But take my word for it). I know that the price +/- for a marshal and for a private is different, but so much ?! belay
                        By chance, doesn’t the Central Election Commission consider you?
                        1. -9
                          15 March 2020 19: 44
                          Quote from AUL
                          By chance, doesn’t the Central Election Commission consider you?

                          It is better to address such questions to admins - they see the database, over which the site "hangs". I'm not an admin, and I don't have this information.

                          As a specialist in a related field, I can doubt that for a single user (me) someone would develop a separate rating calculation algorithm.

                          Quote from AUL
                          13.03 2020 9-40 rating 222 649
                          13.03.2020/18/10 234-587 rating XNUMX XNUMX
                          Total +11 938
                          During this period you received 303 "+" and 338 "-", as a result -35

                          You are touched by your attention to my humble person - what a hell of a job, and all in vain request
                        2. AUL
                          +9
                          15 March 2020 19: 56
                          Quote: Golovan Jack
                          As a specialist in a related field, I can doubt that for a single user (me) someone would develop a separate rating calculation algorithm.

                          In vain doubted, IMHO! I, as a specialist in this field, would create 1 additional table (for individuals) and a couple of stored procedures in half an hour + an hour for debugging, and that's it.
                          You are touched by your attention to my humble person - what a hell of a job, and all in vain
                          What kind of work is it ... feel Just curiosity ...
                        3. -7
                          15 March 2020 20: 13
                          Quote from AUL
                          I, as a specialist in this field, would create 1 additional table (for individuals) and a couple of stored procedures

                          I agree, technically, this is not difficult. But why? belay

                          Quote from AUL
                          I, as a specialist in this field

                          Friends, I, as one comrade puts it here, is a "patron" wink

                          Immediately at the moment I am testing the functionality I have just screwed on for transferring a fiscal check to the payment system, there is such an Assist. With the preliminary cancellation of part of the payment (a common thing for online orders, they order three clothes, "to try on", they take one), and with detailing for each shoe box (our shoes are now marked, if you have heard. Like cigarettes and a wig) - what they bought, what they returned. That is another sekas, I will report to you Yes

                          So how to organize a hypothetical "separate calculation", I somehow know.
                        4. AUL
                          +1
                          15 March 2020 20: 33
                          Quote: Golovan Jack
                          I agree, technically, this is not difficult. But why?

                          Good question! laughing
                        5. 0
                          15 March 2020 20: 39
                          Quote from AUL
                          Quote: Golovan Jack
                          I agree, technically, this is not difficult. But why?

                          Good question! laughing

                          Yeah. You see, I have a fun job - I'm a programming cons, part-time a bit of an analyst. Asking the right questions is part of my job. feel
                        6. AUL
                          0
                          15 March 2020 20: 45
                          Quote: Golovan Jack
                          Ага.

                          I apologize for the typo - the second date is not March 13.03, but March 15.03. Ie analysis in 2 days! hi
                        7. 0
                          15 March 2020 20: 53
                          Quote from AUL
                          analysis in 2 days

                          belay

                          However -

                          Whatever the child was amusing, if only he would not hang himself

                          Keep watching Yes
                        8. -2
                          16 March 2020 10: 43
                          Quote: Golovan Jack
                          я programmed cons

                          Wow fellow ! And this is how? (question, not trolling)
                        9. -1
                          16 March 2020 10: 48
                          Quote: Insurgent
                          Quote: Golovan Jack
                          я programmed cons

                          Wow fellow ! And this is how?

                          1. Sapienti sat.
                          2. Curiosity killed a cat ... wink

                          Quote: Insurgent
                          question not trolling

                          Well yes, of course (s) laughing
                        10. -2
                          16 March 2020 10: 55
                          Quote: Golovan Jack
                          Sapienti sat


                          K-A-notna! The lack of bukof in the word, the norm, "superfluous", unbearable ... wink

                          Go ahead, young man, success awaits you. (You ,note !)
                        11. +5
                          15 March 2020 20: 40
                          Doesn't the Central Election Commission consider?
                          Once, not mathematically, quite by accident I noticed how this avatar rose from the captain of the general in a month and a half. Interestingly, all his comments are uninformative, especially before, "proof to the studio", he himself does not bother with any evidence, so he trolls everyone. Obviously this helps him to assert himself.
                        12. -5
                          15 March 2020 20: 48
                          Quote: Gardamir
                          all his comments are uninformative, "proof to the studio", he himself does not bother with any evidence, so he trolls everyone

                          "Gardamir", I also like to read your comments Yes laughing
                    2. +2
                      15 March 2020 22: 01
                      Quote: DMB 75
                      Poverty and a hopeless future ...

                      Yes, how "richly" the people lived under Gorbachev, Yeltsin, when millions were forced to look for food. And the future was generally pictured as "beautiful". Do you remember that under Yeltsin there were street children in Russia, as after the revolution?
                2. -1
                  15 March 2020 17: 34
                  Quote: Svarog
                  So you voted for a silly program?

                  Simply, Yeltsin was much worse than Zyuganov.


                  Quote: Svarog
                  But nothing that the guarantor of the elections went without a program at all?

                  It's nothing.
                  By the way, I never voted for him.
                  1. +12
                    15 March 2020 17: 48
                    Quote: Spade
                    It's nothing.
                    By the way, I never voted for him.

                    That's how many interesting people I meet on VO .. How many times have I heard this answer - "I have never voted for Putin" BUT WHY do they all drown on VO just for Putin .. So if you do not vote, why then tell people about that everything is very good with him?
                    1. -7
                      15 March 2020 17: 54
                      Quote: Svarog
                      How many already hear this answer - "I have never voted for Putin"

                      I don’t vote at all since the summer of 1996.
                      For no one.

                      Quote: Svarog
                      So if you don’t vote, why then do you tell people that everything is very good with him?

                      Honestly, are you not ashamed to lie like that yourself?
                      Absolutely shameless.
                      Well, you would be lying about what I supposedly wrote N weeks ago, you can still somehow understand. But so, when anyone can read my posts on this thread ...
                      I do not understand...
                      Damn, are you by any chance not for the Communist Party? That could explain a lot ...
                      1. +8
                        15 March 2020 18: 03
                        Quote: Spade
                        Honestly, are you not ashamed to lie like that yourself?
                        Absolutely shameless.

                        I’m ashamed, I apologize .. indeed, you are not campaigning for Putin .. I had to look at your previous comments .. But you can’t stand the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and this fact is evident that gave me reason to rank you as Putinists)) hi
                        Damn, are you by any chance not for the Communist Party? That could explain a lot ...

                        Yes, I am for the Communist Party .. but not for the SJ .. but for the idea itself .. I'm for the new socialism hi
                        1. -13
                          15 March 2020 18: 07
                          Quote: Svarog
                          I am for a new socialism

                          What - a free zebinchik does not give rest? wink

                          Eh, "Svarog", "Svarog" ... the house was unfinished, I missed my son ... you are funny, friends love
                        2. +11
                          15 March 2020 18: 12
                          Quote: Golovan Jack
                          What - a free zebinchik does not give rest?

                          Have you got any new dialect in edra? wassat decrypt, otherwise I don’t understand))
                          Eh, "Svarog", "Svarog" ... the house is unfinished, I missed my son ... you are sisny, my friend

                          I have three daughters and already have a grandson laughing So everything is in order, and I’ll master the house this year))
                        3. -13
                          15 March 2020 18: 13
                          Quote: Svarog
                          this year I’ll dominate

                          The titmouse boasted to set fire to the sea wink

                          Quote: Svarog
                          decrypt, otherwise I don’t understand

                          Zebin? And this is what you stole 10 liters Yes
                        4. +2
                          15 March 2020 18: 17
                          Quote: Svarog
                          Yes, I am for the Communist Party .. but not for the SJ ..

                          Vasily Ivanovich, how are you - for the Bolsheviks or for the Communists? laughing
            2. +7
              15 March 2020 16: 18
              Hmm, open a program such as the Communist Party and read.

              Open it and read:
              23 years ago, on December 17, 1995, elections to the State Duma of the second convocation were held; according to the results of the vote, the absolute majority of the mandates - 99 went to the Communist Party.
              43 elections were admitted to the elections that year, which managed to collect 200 signatures in their support. As a result, four associations crossed the five percent barrier. These are the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (CPRF), the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR), Our Home - Russia (NDR), Yabloko, which have allocated 225 seats in the State Duma among themselves.

              I was a schoolboy, rejoiced like a child, "well, that's it, now the Union is returning with its laws and orders" as complete.
              They say: in order to know a person, give him power so they had it and in fact zero, of course their modern fanatics-schoolchildren do not remember this and do not want to know.
            3. +5
              15 March 2020 17: 20
              I doubt very much that the Danes had in mind the Communists, speaking of the young generation of Russian politicians. But for heaped up and a similar rabble they would have been for.
            4. +1
              15 March 2020 21: 53
              Quote: Greenwood
              Quote: Spade
              Give a link to the program of at least one such.
              Hmm, open a program such as the Communist Party and read. But there are many young and energetic politicians, the same Bondarenko, Konovalov, etc.

              Communist fables heard a lot in the USSR.
          2. +1
            15 March 2020 18: 05
            Give a link to the program of at least one such.
            And Putin, does he have any kind of program? The notorious May decrees. how many mays have passed since ...
            1. 0
              15 March 2020 18: 07
              Quote: Gardamir
              And Putin, does he have any kind of program?

              Does he need her?
              His work or non-work is already visible.
              1. +6
                15 March 2020 18: 19
                Quote: Spade
                Does he need her?
                His work or non-work is already visible.

                Well, indirectly, you still support Putin .. And where is his work visible? What fundamental did he do? Industry, science, medicine, education .. where did we succeed? Here the population is declining - this is a fact, a direct indicator of its activity ..
                1. -3
                  15 March 2020 18: 30
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Here the population is declining - this is a fact, a direct indicator of its activity ..

                  "Svarog", I'll tell you more: that you will die someday, undoubtedly, it is Putin who is also to blame laughing
                  1. +8
                    15 March 2020 18: 34
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Here the population is declining - this is a fact, a direct indicator of its activity ..

                    "Svarog", I'll tell you more: that you will die someday, undoubtedly, it is Putin who is also to blame laughing

                    Well, when this time comes for you .. you probably will thank him laughing
                    1. -5
                      15 March 2020 18: 35
                      Quote: Svarog
                      when this hour comes for you .. you probably will thank him

                      Nope ... buddy, when (and if all of a sudden) you finally understand that the world around you is not composed of Putin alone - much will be revealed to you wink laughing
                2. +3
                  15 March 2020 19: 20
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Well, indirectly, you still support Putin .. And where is his work visible?

                  Take, for example, his administrative reform.
                  I tried, it didn’t work. There are even more officials.
                  And now he will write at least a thousand programs, it will still be clear that he does not really have reforms.
                  So clearer?

                  Quote: Svarog
                  So the population is declining - this is a fact,

                  Fact?
                  1. +4
                    15 March 2020 19: 24
                    Take, for example, his administrative reform.
                    I tried, it didn’t work. There are even more officials.
                    And now he will write at least a thousand programs, it will still be clear that he does not really have reforms.

                    I agree that he has absolutely nothing to do with reforms ..
                    So the population is declining - this is a fact,

                    Fact?

                    Yes fact ..

                    How did these liberals come ... so the population began to decline ..
                    1. +4
                      15 March 2020 19: 42
                      Quote: Svarog
                      How did these liberals come ... so the population began to decline ..

                      Actually, judging by the schedule, the share of Russians began to decline not under the liberals, but under the communists

                      1. +5
                        15 March 2020 19: 47
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Svarog
                        How did these liberals come ... so the population began to decline ..

                        Actually, judging by the schedule, the share of Russians began to decline not under the liberals, but under the communists

                        If you look at the dotted line, you will see the data in quantity .. and before 89 there was only growth .. The share is also an indicator, but not the most important in my opinion, if the number of other nations is growing, this is also good .. but when and Russians are multiplying ..
                        1. +3
                          15 March 2020 19: 53
                          Quote: Svarog
                          If you look at the dotted line

                          But why?
                          After all, interest is a much more informative option

                          By the way, the schedule is a lie.
                          In 2010 there should be not 77.6 but 80.9
                          That is, the share of Russians has increased. Suddenly
                        2. +2
                          15 March 2020 19: 57
                          Quote: Spade

                          By the way, the schedule is a lie.
                          In 2010 there should be not 77.6 but 80.9
                          That is, the share of Russians has increased. Suddenly

                          How is it all of a sudden? You understand that children do not suddenly appear laughing Maybe your information is incorrect? Three million after all .. maybe due to migrants if only? And in my schedule it’s Russians ..
                        3. +4
                          15 March 2020 20: 23
                          Quote: Svarog
                          How is it all of a sudden?

                          Suddenly it turned out that someone had corrected the numbers. Gracefully turning 80.9 into 77.6

                          Quote: Svarog
                          Maybe your information is incorrect?

                          Naturally mine. Let it coincide with the actual results of the Census, but it too spoils the beauty of the schedule.
                        4. +2
                          15 March 2020 20: 29
                          Quote: Spade
                          Naturally mine. Let it coincide with the actual results of the Census, but it too spoils the beauty of the schedule.

                          Why, the meaning of the graph would not change ... even if your information is correct, what does it change? shot one year .. but after that decline .. and every year there are fewer of us .. I see no reason to argue over one "sudden" year .. otherwise the population is dying out and this is a fact .. In 2018 - three hundred thousand, in 2019 already minus four hundred .. every year the average city dies out ..
                        5. +5
                          15 March 2020 20: 40
                          Quote: Svarog
                          Why, the meaning of the schedule would not have changed ...

                          Even as it has changed. This is an increase in the share of the Russian population. Under Putin ... Agree, this is unacceptable. So they twisted the digit for the sake of a great goal ... People grab.

                          Quote: Svarog
                          I see no reason to argue over one "sudden" year.

                          This is not one "sudden year". This is one Census. And we had only 10. In the entire history of the existence of Russia.
                          Indeed, on your schedule, the years are not taken from the ceiling. 1926, 1939, 1959, 1970, 1989, 2002, 2010 is the year of the Censuses. Only 1979 is missed. Apparently, the data plotter also didn’t like the chart designer.
                        6. 0
                          16 March 2020 05: 52
                          We must also add how it was added under the Russian tsars, then we will find out that everything was not bad under the communists. So kingdom is the best form of power)))
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            3. +2
              15 March 2020 21: 34
              Quote: Gardamir
              And Putin, does he have any kind of program?
              How not to be a program, he is an ideological president and all his lads, as one, stand for a free personality ..
              Free from conscience and moral standards, which are an obstacle to personal enrichment. That's the whole program of the oligarchy ..
        2. -1
          15 March 2020 16: 12
          Quote: Greenwood
          Everything is as usual with Putininoids: either Putin or pro-Western liberalists

          Everything, as usual with the liberals: Putinoids and reptilians are around, and they themselves are white and fluffy ... they just get sick, and therefore, except to squirm, they are not capable of anything laughing
          1. +10
            15 March 2020 16: 21
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            except how to tryndet, are not capable of anything
            Very self-critical.
            1. -10
              15 March 2020 16: 45
              Quote: Greenwood
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              except how to tryndet, are not capable of anything
              Very self-critical.

              Suffer silently ... negative Yes laughing
          2. +7
            15 March 2020 17: 22
            laughing As they say, the god of horns does not give a vigorous cow.
            1. -10
              15 March 2020 17: 28
              Quote: Captive
              the god of horns does not give to a vigorous cow

              Exactly Yes
        3. 0
          16 March 2020 09: 24
          The British even re-elected Churchill and Thatcher.
    3. +14
      15 March 2020 15: 50
      In the Danish press: Putin may remain in power in Russia longer than Stalin


      What is your business? We will figure out who we have in power and how much ...
      1. +6
        15 March 2020 16: 02
        Who will figure it out? if you are from the common people, then you do not decide anything.
      2. +12
        15 March 2020 16: 06
        You read reviews of the Russian press about the political situation in other countries, similar calculations are prepared and they are about us. Why rage?
        1. +5
          15 March 2020 17: 22
          I’m not afraid, only I’ll remember something, that in our press, someone would strongly recommend to someone how and what to do ...
    4. 0
      15 March 2020 15: 51
      may remain, only from I.V. Stalin, what good was it! And here?
      1. +8
        15 March 2020 16: 00
        There is no sense. In Moscow, the largest number of billionaires in the world lives. lol
        1. +6
          15 March 2020 17: 27
          Quote: Greenwood
          There is no sense. In Moscow, the largest number of billionaires in the world lives. lol


          request Alas, after 2014, Moscow lost this "honorary title".
          Now Moscow (2019), in billionaires, is in third place (3).
          Skipping New York (85) and Hong Kong (79)
          But we will fight! angry

          / sarcasm / wassat laughing
      2. -1
        15 March 2020 19: 21
        Yes. There are some imperfections. For example, Greenwood has been broadcasting here for a long time, and is still at large. laughing Under Stalin, he would have been shaking in the funnel. laughing
    5. +19
      15 March 2020 15: 52
      a return to such a system "signals a stagnation and entrenched resistance to reform."

      To get out of stagnation, radical reforms with a bias in socialism are needed. Now only the Soviet model will allow us to get out of the crisis and develop industry with the economy.
      1. +6
        15 March 2020 16: 04
        The current "elites" are not interested in this.
      2. 0
        16 March 2020 01: 24
        Quote: Sergey Olegovich
        a return to such a system "signals a stagnation and entrenched resistance to reform."

        To get out of stagnation, radical reforms with a bias in socialism are needed. Now only the Soviet model will allow us to get out of the crisis and develop industry with the economy.


        late, nothing will come of it.
        there is no industry, however, like the economy.
        everything is ineptly lost.
    6. +9
      15 March 2020 15: 54
      Well, let's take a look at what Comrade Stalin did in 20 years, from 1930 to 1950, and what Putin did .. Yes, any comparison here is simply ridiculous! The scale is not comparable.
      1. +15
        15 March 2020 16: 03
        I would also clarify that Stalin actually got the country after the revolution and the difficult Civil War, with an illiterate, hungry and impoverished population. Plus, the Great Patriotic War, the ice rink that took place in the USSR with enormous destruction and human casualties.
        Putin just needed to curb corruption, improve the economy and stop bankruptcy of enterprises throughout the country.
      2. -1
        15 March 2020 16: 22
        Quote: paul3390
        Well, let's take a look at what Comrade Stalin did in 20 years, from 1930 to 1950, and what Putin did .. Yes, any comparison here is simply ridiculous! The scale is not comparable.

        "In 17 years, Putin has increased Russia's budget 22 times, military spending 30 times, GDP 12 times (Russia jumped from 36th place in the world in terms of GDP to 6th place),

        • Increased gold and currency reserves by 48 times!

        • returned 256 mineral deposits to the Russian jurisdiction (it remains to return 3!).

        • tore apart the most enslaving “liberal” in the history of the production sharing agreement. PSA (explanation below)

        • nationalized 65% of the oil industry and 95% of the gas and many other industries.

        • raised industry and agriculture (for 5 consecutive years Russia has been taking the 2nd-3rd place in the world in grain export, overtaking the United States, which is now in 4th place).

        • increased average salaries in the public sector by 18,5 times over 12 years, and average pensions by 14 times.

        • Well, just a trifle: Putin (he) reduced the extinction of Russia's population from 1,5 million people a year in 1999 to 21 thousand in 2011, i.e. 71,5 times.

        • In addition, Putin canceled the Khasavyurt agreement - by which he defended the integrity of Russia, made public the 5th column of NGOs and forbade deputies to have accounts abroad, defended Syria, and stopped the war in Chechnya.

        A chewing gum about how bad Putin is, I have already chewed and spit it out! Link for still chewing: http://putin24.info/10-glavnykh-dostizheniy-vladimira-putina.html
        1. +7
          15 March 2020 16: 56
          How interesting - you will see, straight - "some achievements". It would be interesting to add here: 1 - how the salaries of ordinary people "grew", there is no "average for the hospital", but the real-median and in dollar terms, and not in wooden terms, the same applies to pensions and compare them with inflation for this time wink 2 - how much the direct and indirect tax burden has increased in% to VAT, to real estate revalued at "market value", in excise taxes, "platons", "fees", "overhauls", etc., 3 - how many people have lost in monetary terms from the "tax reform", 4-how much the number of people in the production and service sectors has decreased and has grown in law enforcement agencies, the security, the "national guard", 5-how much has the number of officials increased, and how much is spent per year on their maintenance, how much has the salary increased and bonuses of all sorts of "sechins", 6-how much the number of dollar billionaires has grown, 7-schedule the export of capital abroad by years, etc. 7-how much in dollar terms the military operation in Syria costs monthly, 8-how many rubles by SMS is going to treat patients children, 9 - how much did the unemployment benefit increase in dollar terms, etc.
        2. +5
          15 March 2020 17: 01
          Quote: Vladimir_6
          A chewing gum about how bad Putin is, I have already chewed and spat outА!

          Vladimir, log in!
          1. -2
            15 March 2020 17: 04
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            Quote: Vladimir_6
            A chewing gum about how bad Putin is, I have already chewed and spat outА!

            Vladimir, log in!

            Alexei, the quote is in quotation marks. Re-posted the opinion of the lady. The full text is given a link. So with login everything is all right. hi
            1. +4
              15 March 2020 17: 09
              Maybe I'm blind? I do not see quotation marks not in the body of your message either in my own quote or in yours.
              1. -1
                15 March 2020 17: 15
                Quote: Alexey Sommer
                "For 17 years, Putin has increased the budget of Russia 22 times,

                "For 17 years, Putin has increased the budget of Russia 22 times, ....
                At the bottom of the quote, sorry, missed. The grandson distracts from attentiveness.
                1. -1
                  15 March 2020 17: 17
                  hi And I look in all eyes and do not see. Message then wow!
                  1. +3
                    15 March 2020 17: 21
                    Quote: Alexey Sommer
                    hi And I look in all eyes and do not see. Message then wow!

                    So, after all, positive feedback about Putin is not spared minuscule. Slightly worried about the result of the post.
                    I still got off easy. laughing hi
                    1. 0
                      15 March 2020 17: 23
                      Quote: Vladimir_6
                      So after all, for positive reviews about Putin minus not mercilessly

                      Believe the word not only for the positive. )
                      It is customary to uphold an opinion that does not coincide with one's own here with varnishes, or deslays. Other arguments are generally not given. hi
                      1. -2
                        15 March 2020 17: 39
                        Quote: Alexey Sommer
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        So after all, for positive reviews about Putin minus not mercilessly

                        Believe the word not only for the positive. )
                        It is customary to uphold an opinion that does not coincide with one's own here with varnishes, or deslays. Other arguments are generally not given. hi

                        That's for sure. A certain group of members of the forum as spectators in the stands of the Coliseum.
                        He approved the thought of others - he raised his finger to the top (+), did not like someone's post - a finger to the bottom (-). And not any arguments. good
                        1. +1
                          15 March 2020 22: 24
                          Quote: Vladimir_6
                          A certain group of members of the forum as spectators in the stands of the Coliseum.

                          I always get into an argument, it's just that I'm not in the mood today ... I've gotten into trouble with the housework, that's why I put it (+/-).
                        2. +1
                          15 March 2020 22: 29
                          Quote: major147
                          Quote: Vladimir_6
                          A certain group of members of the forum as spectators in the stands of the Coliseum.

                          I always get into an argument, just not in the mood today ...

                          It happens. "Tomorrow will be better than yesterday" (c).
                        3. 0
                          15 March 2020 22: 34
                          Quote: Vladimir_6
                          It happens.

                          Still, how many times today could not resist ....
                        4. 0
                          15 March 2020 22: 56
                          Quote: major147
                          Quote: Vladimir_6
                          It happens.

                          Still, how many times today could not resist ....

                          No problem. Next time, write off for a good mood.
                          The two parties involved in the debate consider themselves patriots. Only time will tell who was right. Moreover, before the presidential elections in Russia for another 4 years.
                          Maybe Putin until this time due to health reasons, or other reasons, will not be able to take part in the elections. And in the general list of amendments to the Constitution there are worthwhile items. So is it worth not to take part in the vote on April 22? hi
                        5. 0
                          15 March 2020 23: 02
                          Quote: Vladimir_6
                          And in the general list of amendments to the Constitution there are worthwhile points. So is it worth not to take part in the vote on April 22?

                          Today, when the final version has already appeared, I have fully familiarized myself with the amendments. In general, I am in favor, the only pity is that the amendment banning the property of civil servants abroad was not passed.
                        6. +1
                          15 March 2020 23: 17
                          Quote: major147
                          In general, I am in favor, the only pity is that the amendment banning the property of civil servants abroad was not passed.

                          Yes, the proposal was encouraging. It’s a pity that did not pass.
                      2. -3
                        15 March 2020 17: 49
                        Quote: Alexey Sommer
                        Other arguments are generally not given.

                        Yes Easy.
                        “For 12 years, Putin increased Russia's budget by 22 times, military spending - 30 times, GDP - 12 times (Russia jumped from 36th place in the world in terms of GDP to 6th place)”

                        In fact, from 2000 to 2014, Russia increased its GDP, taking 8th place with the previously occupied 19th. GDP for this period increased 1,75 times. 12 times growth is an erroneous calculation that includes inflationary growth.

                        In 2003, it was promised to double the GDP in 10 years twice. This problem has not been solved; GDP has increased by only 48%. GDP growth is not the merit of systemic reform or sound economic policies, capitalization in development, creation of new industries or jobs, it is the result of rising oil prices.

                        http://rusrand.ru/analytics/derzhites-pravdy-ili-o-probleme-manipuljatsii-soznaniem-v-sovremennoj-rossii
                        1. -1
                          15 March 2020 17: 51
                          "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that they are immediately believed."
                          From a letter from Lenin to Trotsky.
                        2. +1
                          15 March 2020 18: 07
                          Quote: Alexey Sommer
                          "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that they are immediately believed."
                          From a letter from Lenin to Trotsky.

                          And what did Trotsky answer?
                        3. 0
                          15 March 2020 18: 08
                          His quote is not preserved. request
                        4. +2
                          15 March 2020 18: 13
                          Quote: Alexey Sommer
                          His quote is not preserved. request

                          Well, rightly, nefig all political women with low social responsibility to keep quotes.
        3. LMN
          0
          15 March 2020 17: 04
          lol
          The sad thing is that they will read it and then continue on ...
          And now, upset, I read sports sites, hockey comments. What do I see? Hatred, animal hatred. Like a dam broke, and from her feces flow. Not only to our hockey players, but also to the country, the people as such. Bots alone? Hardly. Disappointment after losing to the Finns? It is also unlikely.

          Throughout the championship, some of our “fans” uncovered excrement on our team. NHL stars do not come to the team - snickering. Come - better give the way to the young. Beat the Norwegians - a frivolous team. Beat the Swedes - not the point.

          Every time, no matter how our team behaves, no matter how it plays, abominations and filth poured into it

          It's not about hockey. The fact is that in Russia a whole stratum of people has formed, who hate their country fiercely. Without a reason. With no reason. Just hating. It’s like gas filling a house. One spark - and the broads! People who hate so much do not care about throwing clods of abominations into their country and people. They need channels through which they can accumulate their negativity - and they are provided.

          Does this remind you of anything? winked
          1. +2
            15 March 2020 22: 33
            Quote: LMN
            Does this remind you of anything?

            This reminds me of a historical fact, when some residents of the Republic of Ingushetia sent congratulations to the Japanese emperor on his victory in the Russian-Japanese war of 1905. And I kept wondering where the policemen came from in WWII !? Then just the Internet has not yet been invented, and they minus their fellow citizens in an accessible way to them then.
        4. 0
          15 March 2020 17: 07
          Yeah. Only life becomes more and more difficult and hopeless for the people .. And the number you have is sly to put it mildly .. There are too many lies and distortions.
        5. +6
          15 March 2020 19: 01
          You post some nonsense. In terms of GDP for 2019, Russia is in 12th place. And in terms of GDP per capita - at the 60th, while missing the “cherished dream of Putin” - Portugal, where the figure is twice as high.
          Returned the deposits? And who sold them? Isn't that the “beautiful” (already deceased) uncle whose house in Yekaterinburg was so conscientiously built up on budget billions?
          Quote: Vladimir_6
          So, after all, positive feedback about Putin is not spared minuscule.

          They minus it not for positive reviews (he has several positive cases), but for flattery and slander, with which non-existent merits are attributed to him.
          Remember at Zheglov:
          So the gun, Volodya, outweighs 100 thousand other evidence. Here!

          So pension reform will outweigh 100 thousand of his (Putin's) “positive” cases.
      3. Fat
        +2
        15 March 2020 18: 18
        Quote: paul3390
        Well, let's take a look at what Comrade Stalin did in 20 years, from 1930 to 1950, and what Putin did .. Yes, any comparison here is simply ridiculous! The scale is not comparable.

        Such an intangible thing worked for Stalin - the communist ideology ...
        We have no unifying ideology.
        Now of the intangible only God, as amended, mentioned ....
        Will it help?
      4. +1
        15 March 2020 22: 19
        Quote: paul3390
        Well, let's take a look at what Comrade Stalin did in 20 years, from 1930 to 1950, and what Putin did .. Yes, any comparison here is simply ridiculous! The scale is not comparable.

        Only for a breakthrough, Comrade Stalin gathered the talkers into camps and they built canals for a bowl of baland, and Putin pays salaries and idlers. How not effective!
    7. -2
      15 March 2020 15: 57
      I think he will leave himself, he has talked so much about the rule of law that he simply must leave. Well, if not, he will not find a worse enemy than I.
      1. -2
        15 March 2020 16: 08
        Will not leave. He made too many enemies, both abroad and in Russian society, moreover, in the circles of liberals and in the circles of Communists. In which case, there will be nowhere to run.
        1. 0
          15 March 2020 16: 17
          Well, let's see which of us is right. My opinion is that he will not run abroad - he will be here somewhere. But liberals and communists ... Liberals can be crossed out right away - they have been haters of Russia since the 90s. Communists? Where are those communists like Pavka Korchagin? And what do we have in our assets? Zyuganov and Grudinin? Not an option.
          1. +6
            15 March 2020 16: 39
            Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
            Liberals can be crossed out right away - they have been haters of Russia since the 90s. Communists? Where are those communists like Pavka Korchagin? And what do we have in our assets? Zyuganov and Grudinin? Not an option.

            So you are for an idea or a person? You are probably better acquainted with the idea than with a person, and accordingly, you need to vote for the idea exactly .. But how will anyone manifest themselves further will be visible .. or was Putin a bright person, before his presidency?
            1. -2
              15 March 2020 16: 51
              Both. I think no one will deny that Putin was a person without which there would be no restoration of the army and navy ... But he is a liberal, and no matter how much we hope for a bright future, he will remain a liberal. And now about the personalities who left a trace in me - my father is an ardent communist, died two years ago (blessed memory), my grandfather (most likely my favorite person) did not even have a hint of education, he did everything himself, read a great Soviet encyclopedia several times. According to my grandfather, my great-grandfather was taken by the Cheka and he did not return. So who should I be for? For an idea or a person?
              1. 0
                15 March 2020 18: 27
                without which there would be no restoration of the army and navy ..
                Yes, he did not want to restore anything. After the events of 08.08.08, our military turnips combed out, finding American weapons in Georgia. After 2014, I also had to keep the defense industry in good shape, although the VO site was a help, even here sometimes they wrote about closing enterprises. And finally, the events in Syria. Since the country's leadership is 50 years behind, we must not threaten with missiles, but study modern technologists, the same drones, as an example.
                1. +1
                  15 March 2020 20: 49
                  I did not think it was possible to deny the obvious, but you succeeded.
          2. -3
            15 March 2020 16: 46
            When Grudinin ran for office, it was the liberals who paid for his advertisement.
            (says a lot ...
            1. -2
              15 March 2020 20: 56
              When he ran
              Putin went self-nominated, but EdRo collected signatures and money. Understand. that for you EdRo patriots ...
              1. -1
                15 March 2020 20: 58
                Quote: Gardamir
                When he ran
                Putin went self-nominated, but EdRo collected signatures and money. Understand. that for you EdRo patriots ...

                ===========================
                When on its own, thoughts in a bunch are easier to put together. lol
                Do not sew me a "case" (just kidding).
                I can't understand, you are offended that "EdRo" has more votes ??? (when solving)
      2. 0
        15 March 2020 16: 19
        Well, if not, the worst enemy than I will not find

        And who or what is the "best" enemy?
        And anyway, which enemy is preferable: worst or best?
        1. +3
          15 March 2020 16: 22
          Do not be foolish, you understand what I said.
    8. +9
      15 March 2020 15: 59
      The main trouble for Russia is that good rulers do not prepare a good successor for themselves and do not leave on time. They sit to death and then a fight for the "throne" begins.
      Examples of a dime a dozen. Only in Soviet history are there two for sure.
      1 Stalin did not leave the receiver, the result in power is the revisionist Khrushchev from whom, in fact, the collapse of the Soviet elite began.
      2 Brezhnev is an excellent ruler, sat up to rigor mortis, and could year in 1977 leave and leave a strong receiver.
      Here Deng Xiaoping left in time and they all have karasho!
      Good Tsar Putin, but to sit on the throne for so long is not respect for a 150 million country with talented people. Among us there are worthy receivers!
      1. +9
        15 March 2020 16: 10
        Summing up your thought a little: the trouble of Russia is that its political system is unstable and all the time (in tsarist times, and in Soviet, and in the present) it relies on the figure of a person who, by the will of fate, leads it in a given period of time.
      2. +2
        15 March 2020 16: 16
        Here Deng Xiaoping left in time and they all have karasho!
        They have "all" "karasho" not because he left on time.
        To listen to you, so for the ruler the main thing is to shed in time! laughing
        1. 0
          15 March 2020 16: 19
          Quote: flicker
          To listen to you, so for the ruler the main thing is to shed in time!

          You do not use the correct wording and because of this, some may decide that you want to change the meaning.
          Not to shed, but to give way to the young and remain as Deng Xiaoping as honorary president for life.
          A molt shit. Do you think Putin is a dumbass?
          1. +5
            15 March 2020 16: 34
            You are not using the correct wording

            And you are far from making obvious conclusions. Remember how many years Roosevelt has been in power in the USA, and this somehow did not prevent him from remaining the best president in the memory of the people.
            Stalin ruled for over 30 years, the achievements of those years are still an example for many.
            On the other hand, take Ukraine as an example, there the presidents will be replaced one after another - and what does Ukraine gain from this?
            Z.Y. The reason should not be sought in terms of stay in power, but in the identities of those who are in power of the state.
            1. +1
              15 March 2020 16: 37
              Quote: flicker
              Stalin ruled for over 30 years, the achievements of those years are still an example for many.

              How not obvious?) How did Stalin's death end? .. That's right, Khrushchev.
              Are you a fan of Khrushchev? I doubt it.
              As for Roosevelt .. It was after this best president in the United States that a new rule of 2 terms was introduced.
              It’s not good when they rule to death. Bad tone.
              Quote: flicker
              The reason should not be sought in terms of stay in power, but in the identities of those who are in power of the state.

              And in terms of the same. The elite must undergo rotation, otherwise it turns into a ruling class such as nobles, and this is bad.
              1. -4
                15 March 2020 17: 03
                Quote: Alexey Sommer
                It was after this best president in the United States that a new rule of 2 terms was introduced

                On whose initiative and why, do not decipher?
                1. -1
                  15 March 2020 17: 12
                  If you know tell?
                  1. -2
                    15 March 2020 17: 14
                    Quote: Alexey Sommer
                    If you know tell?

                    For what I bought - I read it a week ago here, in the comments on VO.

                    According to that version, Roosevelt was too strong a president and frightened too many (from the local "shadow"). It was these "shadow workers" who pressed the restriction - so that from now on there would be no such thing.

                    In short - something like that.
                    1. -1
                      15 March 2020 17: 16
                      So is it from the category of OBS?
                      I would not rely on this version as the main one. hi
                      1. -7
                        15 March 2020 17: 18
                        Quote: Alexey Sommer
                        I would not rely on this version as the main

                        But I do not propose. But it seems quite true, it will not be laziness - sometimes like a thread in this direction.

                        Quote: Alexey Sommer
                        So is it from the category of OBS?

                        Birochki, my friend, glue yourself on a gas mask, it’s not worth me. Good luck Yes
                        1. +3
                          15 March 2020 17: 19
                          Similarly! hi
              2. +4
                15 March 2020 18: 22
                How did Stalin's death end? .. That's right, Khrushchev.
                And if he had left earlier, would the probability of Khrushchev appearing be less?
                If he had left earlier (for example, right after the war of 1946), then the country (with some other Khrushchevs) would still not have left after the military devastation.
                Maybe due to the fact that Stalin lasted until 1953, the country managed to grow stronger so that Khrushchev’s voluntarism could not ruin it to the end, but only managed to lay the foundation for this collapse.
                So, the rule of Stalin until 1953 is good for the country (they managed to get stronger).
                Z.Y. It is a pity that Stalin did not last until 1960.
                1. +2
                  15 March 2020 19: 17
                  Quote: flicker
                  And if he had left earlier, would the probability of Khrushchev appearing be less?

                  Stalin simply would not have allowed Khrushchev to power. He considered him a fool and thought correctly. The authority of Stalin was very great. all would accept the candidacy that he promoted.
                  1. +1
                    15 March 2020 22: 45
                    Quote: Alexey Sommer
                    Stalin simply would not have allowed Khrushchev to power. He considered him a fool and thought correctly.

                    Here is a strange manner among the "powerful of this world" to keep fools around them. Here, the unit commander surrounded himself with deputies - fools. Through them he suffered ...
                    1. 0
                      16 March 2020 06: 35
                      Quote: major147
                      Here is a strange manner of the "powerful of this world" to keep fools around them.

                      Completely "normal" manner. If there are fools around you, then you already look like a genius against their background!
      3. -2
        15 March 2020 16: 21
        Brezhnev is an excellent ruler, sat up to rigor mortis, and could have gone away in 1977 and left a strong receiver.


        There are so many successors flooded - just have time to customize the hearse. By the way, Aurus is in the resuscitation version, I remember those who traveled in the motorcade of Leonid Ilyich?
        1. +8
          15 March 2020 16: 24
          Quote: Deck
          There are so many successors flooded - just have time to customize the hearse.

          So the fact of the matter is that under the guise of the irreplaceability of the Supreme, the entire "team" will sit until the second coming and hang the order on each other's chest.
          This is the worst thing.
        2. +1
          15 March 2020 22: 46
          Quote: Deck
          just have time to customize the hearse.

          Then it was called "Carriage Race".
      4. +1
        15 March 2020 16: 25
        Stalin had a receiver, Kirov. They removed Sergei Mironovich, but they did not ride with Stalin.
        But it turned out that Franco first removed (with the Basque hands) the successor, the admiral, and then the caudillo.
        Recall Brezhnenva-Masherov, Kulakov.
        At the end of his life’s journey, he wanted to see Shcherbitsky as his successor, and Aliyev’s prime minister to be a strong move when the head of the Government is Muslim.
        But the mysterious suicide of the first, and a serious illness of the second. Aliyev miraculously climbed out, but was seriously ill for a long time.
        And Brezhnev asked for resignation two or three times - they did not give him. He arranged for the "old people", up to a certain point.
        Mao Jie Dong did the right thing when he removed the competitors with the hands of the young, otherwise he would not have extended so much. As a result, he ruled longer than Stalin.
        1. -3
          15 March 2020 16: 29
          Quote: knn54
          Stalin had a receiver-Kirov

          There is a version that Kirov was Trotskyist. Well, like Khrushchev, only their 30s.
          One can guess for a long time, but the choice has always been.
          1. 0
            15 March 2020 18: 20
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            There is a version that Kirov was Trotskyist. Well, like Khrushchev, only their 30s

            Too OBS? wink
            1. +1
              15 March 2020 19: 01
              Well yes. You can, but I can’t?
              1. +2
                15 March 2020 19: 02
                Quote: Alexey Sommer
                Well yes. You can, but I can’t?

                Yes you can, you can. Purely pinned request
          2. Fat
            0
            15 March 2020 18: 58
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            Quote: knn54
            Stalin had a receiver-Kirov

            There is a version that Kirov was Trotskyist. Well, like Khrushchev, only their 30s.
            One can guess for a long time, but the choice has always been.

            Remember the 17th Congress of the CPSU (B.) ... 1059 decisive votes ... 1056 For - Stalin.
            1055 For - Kirov ... for membership in the Central Committee.
            How many survivors are there from the deputies and from the Central Committee?
            Well ... Kirov was the first, of course
            The congress resolved to hold a "purge of ranks" by the fall of 1934, and then to start accepting new communists in the Rada again.
            Along the way, the cleaning only by the spring of 1939 was over, right by the 18th congress ...
        2. +2
          15 March 2020 17: 20
          Stalin had a receiver-Kirov


          Kirov was a friend of Stalin, but he didn’t succeed, when Kirov was killed it was 1934, at that time Stalin did not have all power, Stalin became completely master of the situation only in 1938 after the liberal Trotskyist purge of 1937, any normal historian will confirm this to you who knows with archival documents.
      5. +1
        15 March 2020 19: 14
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        The main trouble of Russia is that good rulers do not prepare a good receiver for themselves and do not leave during.

        And I believe that the main troubles of Russia are that the rulers of Russia (I do not take Stalin into account) care more about personal welfare than about the welfare of the country, assigning all kinds of benefits, concessions and privileges to themselves and their surroundings; in the fact that they do not live according to the laws existing before them, but they turn them into their own discretion, adjusting to and for themselves; that the people of Russia, duped for 30 years by media propaganda, still believe in the “good tsar” and “bad boyars” ...
        And the most negative feature of Putin is that his entourage and the vertical of power created by him only know that “four hundred comparatively honest ways of taking money from citizens” of Russia and, as obedient students of Ostap Bender, use this without looking back.
        1. +1
          15 March 2020 22: 51
          Quote: ROSS 42
          the people of Russia, duped for 30 years by media propaganda, still believe in the “good tsar” and “bad boyars” ...

          As far as my memory serves, the communists were persecuted under the slogan "For Social Justice." So thirty is not enough here.
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    9. LMN
      -1
      15 March 2020 16: 05
      I don’t understand what matters is this Denmark ?! Yes, and many other countries.
      What, they took away the bride’s GDP? request
      You read comments and articles on HE and other resources: advocacy, corruption, kickbacks, the population put on the brink of extinction, through disastrous reforms, etc. am
      Russia withers straight before our eyes !! belay
      They pray for him lol
      And they ... fuss, worry. request Apparently they don’t read IN ...
      1. -8
        15 March 2020 16: 07
        Quote: LMN
        I don’t understand what matters is this Denmark ?! Yes, and many other countries

        Honduras is bothering them.

        Quote: LMN
        You read comments and articles on VO and other resources ...

        And these - he is also worried. And they scratch it for some reason laughing
        1. -3
          15 March 2020 16: 26
          Honduras is bothering them.
          =====================
          The joke remembered:
          Hotel. Two opposition politicians arrived at the next debate.
          Before going to bed (lay down) they are talking:
          - Something Honduras began to bother me ..
          - So combed go, do not touch ...
          1. -8
            15 March 2020 16: 47
            Quote: primaala
            Joke remembered

            Well, Duc about him and it was, dragging request
      2. +4
        15 March 2020 17: 49
        Quote: LMN
        I don’t understand what matters is this Denmark ?!

        They fear that under the yoke of sanctions, GDP may follow the ideas of Ostap Bender.

        If in two days we don’t get decent food, I will revolt some tribes. Honestly! I will appoint myself an authorized prophet and declare a holy war, jihad. For example, Denmark. Why did the Danes torture their prince Hamlet? Under the current political situation, even the League of Nations will be satisfied with such an occasion for war. By God, I’ll buy a million rifles from the British, they like to sell firearms to the tribes, and march to Denmark. Germany will miss - at the expense of reparations. Imagine the tribal invasion of Copenhagen? Ahead of all, I am on a white camel. Oh! There is no panic! Which one would be a wonderful marauder. He would have a Danish goose! ..

        wassat
        1. LMN
          +1
          15 March 2020 18: 02
          Laughed! laughing
          good
      3. +2
        15 March 2020 19: 18
        Quote: LMN
        I don’t understand what matters is this Denmark ?! Yes, and many other countries.

        How many? Denmark alone spoke out that it spoke of Putin’s high authority in the world. The rest is knee-deep.
        Europe really expressed bewilderment on the issues of "zeroing" ...
        1. LMN
          +2
          15 March 2020 19: 44
          Quote: ROSS 42
          How many? Denmark alone spoke out that it spoke of Putin’s high authority in the world. The rest is knee-deep.
          Europe really expressed bewilderment on the issues of "zeroing" ...

          In Germany, for example, articles about Putin and Putin’s Russia are regularly published. I have no doubt that the same thing happens in Poland. request
          The world is not limited to VO. wink
          1. -3
            15 March 2020 20: 44
            In Russia, for example, articles about Trump and about Trump USA are regularly published.
            You can talk about Ukraine and so on.
    10. -6
      15 March 2020 16: 05
      I am glad that the moment that Europe and the West reared from the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation! It would seem - and they then care about Russia? But no. Many are not encouraged by Putin's affairs. Well, yes, he didn’t ruin anything like Gorbachev, he didn’t drink anything and didn’t let Russia "float freely" like a drunkard Yeltsin. Just horror for the "friends" of Russia !!!! And on all kinds of sites how many trolls have appeared !!!! Everyone tells what a bad amendment, everyone expresses dissatisfaction with Putin's work, in fact, when you ask to explain what exactly a person is not happy with, they start swimming and carry some kind of private crap ... generally slip and stupid ..... Any trash talk, in the hope that many may not know about the past and present punctures of these people ....-----
      1. +3
        15 March 2020 19: 42
        Quote: Chingachguk
        when you ask for clarification about what exactly a person is not happy with, they begin to swim and carry some kind of private crap ...

        You just do not start to bear ...
        The last case, when Novak delegated to an OPEC meeting (dialed by someone’s will ???) slammed the door and said that Russia would not cut oil production until everyone did, including the United States, which was not part of this OPEC. What did he do good for Russia? In just one day, to stabilize the ruble exchange rate, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation took more than 6 rubles from a pill under the name NWF. He took the money unpaid to the people and passed it on to bank speculators ... belay
        And after the decline in oil prices on Russian gas station gasoline also fell in price? belay
        Let's see how this problem "resolves" into which Iraq, the UAE and other OPEC countries are drawn.
        And the whole conflict, which brought Russia additional costs, began to be interpreted as a kind of “strategic” plan ... A country that buys palm oil of incomprehensible quality and imports seeds without its own base has developed a strategy for “bending” the UAE and the USA in particular in the oil market ... wassat Yes, in the US, gasoline at gas stations has already become cheaper ...

        Now the law in the form of expression of will is being shamelessly violated. Instead of a referendum - a strange vote in several stages ...

        The election procedure in the State Duma (450 deputies) suggests that the opinion of voters should be taken into account. Is it really so? To elect one deputy in the State Duma, it is necessary that 100 (450 = 0,22% of voters) vote for him (by mathematical calculation). So you explain why the parties made a "passing barrier" and how "Edra" - the party that is hated by 9 out of 10, had two-thirds of the vote? Can you tell me why the column “Against All” has been removed from the ballots, and when the laws are passed, the deputy of the State Duma can abstain ... What are they collected for? Let them abstain when they appoint salaries and write out benefits ...

        Offhand ... hi
        1. 0
          16 March 2020 08: 19
          I don’t know the answers to all questions, I can only assume that the issue of oil was resolved earlier, on the sidelines of the Kremlin. I also assume that Novak was instructed to do just that. I assume that at the top on this topic, people know much more than you and I. As for the voting and abstention from voting, then this is probably not a question for Putin, but for the deputies themselves .... I am not a deputy and do not work in the state government, I just express my opinion on this or that issue and many things I can only guess.
      2. 0
        15 March 2020 22: 55
        Quote: Chingachguk
        I am glad that the moment that Europe and the West reared from the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation! It would seem - and they then care about Russia? But no. Many are not encouraged by Putin's affairs. Well, yes, he didn’t ruin anything like Gorbachev, he didn’t drink anything and didn’t let Russia "float freely" like a drunkard Yeltsin. Just horror for the "friends" of Russia !!!! And on all kinds of sites how many trolls have appeared !!!! Everyone tells what a bad amendment, everyone expresses dissatisfaction with Putin's work, in fact, when you ask to explain what exactly a person is not happy with, they start swimming and carry some kind of private crap ... generally slip and stupid ..... Any trash talk, in the hope that many may not know about the past and present punctures of these people ....-----

        I agree 100% good hi
    11. -3
      15 March 2020 16: 10
      Pff longer than Stalin! take it above gentlemen) here are manners for Ivan4 himself !!
      50 years is the fact, the more the guardsmen are already there hi
    12. +2
      15 March 2020 16: 10
      In the Danish press: Putin may remain in power in Russia longer than Stalin
      Well, it’s necessary, as the Danish press is interested.
      It would be better if the Danish press was interested in why the Danish authorities sabotaged the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline, which is so beneficial for Denmark and Europe?
      Z.Y. And it’s great that it will remain in power.
    13. -3
      15 March 2020 16: 13
      Maybe it will be, it’s not a Danish affair, I have never voted for it, but this time I will specially vote to spite liberals.
    14. +5
      15 March 2020 16: 24
      Let the Danes go for a walk, the queen themselves have been sitting on the throne since 1972.
      1. +1
        15 March 2020 17: 10
        Is it nothing that Denmark is actually a monarchy? So is Britain.
        I did not hear something that the monarchies would hold elections to transfer power. Renunciation in favor of the heir - heard.
        1. +1
          15 March 2020 17: 34
          Monarchy, anarchy, what's the difference? A man sits on a throne, the name of this throne is the tenth matter.
          The name of the political system is not an excuse))
          1. -3
            15 March 2020 17: 35
            Here are just my slippers do not have to laugh.
            Monarchy involves the transfer of power by inheritance.
            1. 0
              15 March 2020 17: 40
              Then you can consider that Russia is the Empire, and at the helm Vladimir I wink
              And there is a passport))
    15. +3
      15 March 2020 16: 24
      Quote: Teacher67
      Who will figure it out? if you are from the common people, then you do not decide anything.

      The people in the presidential election will vote. Put up an opposition candidate, at least Navalny, at least Sobchak ... And for the amendment of the Constitution also vote on April 22 ... Democracy, p.
    16. +2
      15 March 2020 16: 28
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      I'm afraid to make a mistake, but it seems that in 2018 some EdRos compared how many km of the metro were built under Stalin and how many km of the metro were built under Putin! Metro, Karl!
      I hope who won and turned out to be a "more majestic metro builder" according to EdRu you will not specify? laughing wassat


      So why be surprised if the construction of schools, hospitals, polyclinics and NONSENS road construction has occurred at times! Given the fact that even from Plato rotenbergs now take money from each dvolnoyschikom.

      Now the electronic marking of the goods will begin, we will begin to pay for the thief-billionaire-usmanov to pay to each billionaire-thief.
      They reassure that it will be 50 kopecks for each product, but the situation is the same as with a payment for major repairs, for example, in St. Petersburg it has increased by 100% in recent months. And from the beginning of the period it seems to be 600%) Strategists are simply amazed.
    17. +2
      15 March 2020 16: 37
      and the Danish aristocracy, clans and others, how many centuries in power? where is the change of power?
      1. +2
        15 March 2020 17: 01
        There is funnier - clanism in the USA. It seems that all presidents for 400 years are from 5 families))) Attack yes, democracy, not a single person from the pack
      2. +3
        15 March 2020 17: 30
        In Denmark, socialism. For a long time there are no clans, no aristocracy. The rule is 100% parliament, where most of the youth.
        ---
        All parliamentarians come to work on bicycles. In the parking lot near the Parliament - not a single car.
        1. 0
          15 March 2020 17: 57
          we heard these stories, yeah
          1. +2
            15 March 2020 20: 32
            All parliamentarians come to work on bicycles. In the parking lot near the Parliament - not a single car.

            That's for sure. There is socialism. Parliamentarians have no servants. Here is the head of the Danish Parliament, Henrik Dam Christensen, with a cigar, cheerfully rolls a bicycle to Parliament wink
        2. +2
          15 March 2020 18: 51
          Then in Israel - the gangster gangman rules, and the godfather, nickname - the prime minister - is under investigation which year laughing
        3. Fat
          +5
          15 March 2020 19: 09
          Quote: voyaka uh
          In Denmark, socialism. For a long time there are no clans, no aristocracy. The rule is 100% parliament, where most of the youth.
          ---
          All parliamentarians come to work on bicycles. In the parking lot near the Parliament - not a single car.

          There is no socialism, a social state, yes. But socialism is such a structure of society where there is no contradiction between the social nature of labor and the nature of appropriation of its results.
          1. -1
            16 March 2020 04: 29
            That is, monopoly state capitalism? Thank you, no need (passed) negative
    18. +4
      15 March 2020 16: 41
      Quote: Greenwood
      I would also clarify that Stalin actually got the country after the revolution and the difficult Civil War, with an illiterate, hungry and impoverished population. Plus, the Great Patriotic War, the ice rink that took place in the USSR with enormous destruction and human casualties.
      Putin just needed to curb corruption, improve the economy and stop bankruptcy of enterprises throughout the country.


      Invest - In production. To Army. The infrastructure. Into education. Into medicine. At a price of $ 140 per barrel, it's oh, how easy and simple, tk. income for the year "covered" the costs of the above for 5-7 years (on average, earnings from oil and gas alone are half a trillion $ per year).

      And to build such a social state so that Ukraine and Belorussia crawled crawling and asked to be part of Russia.
      But something went wrong .... more precisely the way they want ... rare huge amounts of money poured into their pockets ... such from which they for 20 years simply went crazy and do not understand reality.
      How to understand the phrase "How to live on 10 rubles" to a person who, for example, earns more than 800 billion dollars a month .. this cannot simply be compared and understood in any way, it is beyond understanding for them. They're just out of touch.
      We are just "slaves", or now, as the situation shows, a "colony" that is "cut" as they can.
    19. +4
      15 March 2020 16: 42
      Quote: DMB 75
      Stalin is not good for soles.

      Stalin had a communist ideology; censorship was easier for him. We were not under the hood of the IMF and financial international. And building officials and punishing for outright sabotage was easier for Stalin. There was an article-wrecking ...
      But even in these conditions, the results of Putin’s work are outstanding.
      1. 0
        16 March 2020 04: 31
        And “Solovyov, Kiselyov and Co.” will regularly convince you of this good
    20. +3
      15 March 2020 16: 58
      So what?

      Tell us how bad it is that in the non-presidential republic, the head of state Merkel floundered there for 15 years without any replacements, and her predecessor actually APPOINTED
      1. 0
        15 March 2020 17: 18
        I’m wondering, why do we need a "constitution" at all? No seriously. By the way, for example, in Great Britain, there is NO CONSTITUTION. wink
        1. +11
          15 March 2020 17: 30
          Quote: Snail N9
          I’m wondering, why do we need a "constitution" at all? No seriously. By the way, for example, in Great Britain, there is NO CONSTITUTION.

          I would even dare to ask why the president is Russia? NEVER in Russia there was no institution of presidency and it will not take root.
          1. +6
            15 March 2020 20: 53
            Quote: Askold Matveev
            I’m wondering, why do we need a "constitution" at all? No seriously. By the way, for example, in Great Britain, there is NO CONSTITUTION.

            Quote: Askold Matveev

            I would even dare to ask why the president is Russia? NEVER in Russia there was no institution of presidency and it will not take root.

            I would continue your thought .. why Russia SF and the Duma? in this scenario, an absolutely worthless huge number of parasites ..
    21. 0
      15 March 2020 17: 09
      It’s good to measure the condition, the standard of living of the people by the degree of filling the refrigerator!
      It was only in the USSR that most people did not have refrigerators right away (for objective reasons, however) and it was not always possible to fill them, the choice of "filler" was not everywhere and not always! And now there is a choice, only not everyone can pay.
      In between, the "golden time" of the late USSR, when, in principle, "there was everything" !!!
      1. +2
        15 March 2020 17: 29
        Dear, did you often starve with union when you had a job? And under the current government, having a job does not guarantee that you will not starve.
        1. +1
          15 March 2020 22: 36
          Respected. And where did you read about HUNGER? A reminder of the fact about the limited choice / assortment for grocery products, this is not popplep, namely an indication of the real situation! And they again mushroomed, indicated that this was NOT ANYWHERE, NOT ALWAYS!
          He added specifically that now many lack the means to eat FULLY!
      2. +3
        15 March 2020 17: 54
        Quote: rocket757
        In between, the "golden time" of the late USSR, when, in principle, "there was everything" !!!

        Many began almost to pray for this "golden time", forgetting how many impudent and unprincipled lads crawled out to the top, where did they come from, is it really a product of grace-filled socialism? Socialism, like communism, is ideally a good thing, but the trouble is with the builders of this very ... The human community, to my great regret, is far from homogeneous and far from ideal, so you will never find any officials or businessmen who would suit everyone Maybe Putin is a good option for modern Russia, and the best is the enemy of the good.
        1. 0
          15 March 2020 22: 48
          Quote: Goodwin
          Or maybe Putin is still a good option for modern Russia, and the best is the enemy of the good

          Actually, I meant a Soviet joke about a grandma from a derevni, a Moscow manager, Leonid Brezhnev, and a shop "in principle," which has everything and where she wanted to go!
          About GDP, is it good or better to find ??? in any country, a certain conglomerate, association, clan, family rules .... but whatever you call them, it will be the Ruling System serving the interests of the ruling class and EVERYTHING! from the top, public faces ..... change, do not change, nothing practically changes.
      3. +2
        16 March 2020 01: 41
        am good vgg
        1. 0
          16 March 2020 06: 35
          Hi Dmitry soldier
          Shoy that message is short .... what is it for?
    22. -4
      15 March 2020 17: 10
      AA in general, why do we need someone other than Putin, for sure, no worse, no better. Well, we all went through it. Putin is a satisfactory option.
      1. +20
        21 November 2020 15: 53
        For whom? This is a bad option for the people. Raising the retirement age alone is worth it and proves. For oligarchs and non-bourgeois, yes, this is a great option.
    23. -1
      15 March 2020 17: 18
      And those on which side bothered?
    24. +2
      15 March 2020 17: 21
      In the Danish press: Putin may remain in power in Russia longer than Steel


      The standard stuffing of Western media, to incite internal unrest in Russia.
      Unfortunately, many more in Russia peck at these naked, droppings oiled hooks.
      This unites everyone at once: "liberals", "communists", "bulk", "white-ribbons", "Yabloko", "Germans", "Echovites", etc.
      I strained all my brain neurons, but I could not squeeze out of them the name, at least one "people's leader" capable of leading such a state as RUSSIA.
      This is our mentality - "what we have we do not keep (do not value), having lost we cry.
      And not just pouring tears, but spilling rivers of blood. Name at least one country that has suffered more turmoil than Russia. Continuous wars, revolutions, wars, and the worst - civil wars, when the son is on his father with a pitchfork.
      I didn’t live in books under: Stalin, Malenkov with Bulganin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev,
      Chernenko, Andropov, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Putin. I will say - the arrival of each new
      perceived with enthusiasm and hope. But a little time passed and there was complete disappointment, smoothly turning into complete rejection,
      although then there was a socialist system. All were, in general, equal and lived "as one family." Putin got the country - "stubs from socialism", and they were taken away by the new state system - capitalism. Well, we would boil in our cauldron
      so that there are no more other obstacles. But no, just like here - "Anglo-Saxon partners".
      And in their blood - to jackal around the world, and suddenly such a "carcass" - the remains of the USSR.
      And they would have stolen this "carcass" without problems, if Yeltsin had reigned in power for another 5 years. Therefore, I "accepted" Putin with absolute distrust. Hu from hu, Putin?
      After 20 years, there is no disappointment yet. And my opinion is, after Stalin, he is No. 2! hi
      1. -2
        15 March 2020 18: 59
        stuffing Western media
        Have you read this topic in Western media? So where is the stuffing?
    25. -1
      15 March 2020 17: 24
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Shopping centers were made instead of handsome factories,

      Such a tradition has appeared / built in our country over the past 20 years: We make a sewing machine - we get a machine gun, we build a factory - we get a shopping center.
      1. -4
        15 March 2020 17: 32
        Quote: 16112014nk
        we build a factory - it turns out a shopping center

        Lies... request
        1. -1
          15 March 2020 17: 40
          Well, if in addition to oil and gas refineries, then yes.
          1. -1
            15 March 2020 17: 46
            Quote: 16112014nk
            if besides oil and gas refineries, then yes

            Examples when a factory was built, and the shopping center turned out - in the studio. It was built, not at the time of Ona, but now.

            From examples of the opposite - yes, for example:

            VLADIVOSTOK, September 6, 2019. / TASS /. The Mazda Sollers Manufacturing Rus automobile plant in Vladivostok, which in August produced the first batch of SkyActiv-G engines for deliveries to the Japanese market, plans to increase their output sixfold in 2020. This was reported to TASS by the general director of the enterprise Dmitry Kudinov on the sidelines of the Eastern Economic Forum (EEF).

            "3,7 thousand engines are planned to be delivered to Japan by the end of this year. Next year we will have a sixfold increase in production volumes, next year we will have 20 thousand engines that we will produce and sell for export ..."

            This is a freshly built factory, and it works. And it's not raw.

            There are many of those Yes
            1. +3
              15 March 2020 17: 53
              Automobile plant "Mazda Sollers Manufacturing Rus" in Vladivostok


              1. -3
                15 March 2020 17: 55
                Quote: ender
                ender

                In vain "skulls" were canceled, in vain Yes
                1. -3
                  15 March 2020 18: 02
                  under Stalin this was not ..
    26. +1
      15 March 2020 17: 26
      And these, the children of the female dog, care about our fantasies? The people will want, they will choose, no, well, the card is not laid down. And each person has his own time for his affairs. After all, you can not go far, his predecessor, who became the president of All Russia by the will of the freedom-loving people, skillfully conducted the orchestra, yes, for weeks "worked with documents" - all and merit. But in the red ... "did not fit into the market." You can, of course, try to "fit in" one more time, but it's already a pity for the grandchildren, they are not to blame.
    27. +1
      15 March 2020 17: 27
      And what was done in America, adored by many in our country, during the depression? Roads were built and ennobling cities engaged — a solid dollar a day and not worry. What prevents us from a lot of unemployed aching from hopelessness on the same conditions to give work. Oh yes, the pro-American lobby will not give, because it will mean the rise of industry and the economy of the country as a whole, so FIG and not jobs.
    28. +3
      15 March 2020 17: 27
      It’s not about Putin at all. Before our eyes, insolently, grossly violate the basic law. And they no longer hide behind various schemes, as in 2008, but simply threaten "Who is against is the enemy of Russia", or "Come on, why are you? Just once." But everyone else is required to unconditionally comply with all laws, or else "a liver on the asphalt."
    29. +2
      15 March 2020 17: 29
      If people choose a certain person - then this is their choice. They must understand what they are voting for, what the future is for themselves and their children. That is their right.
      If people don’t think much, it’s also their choice and their right.
      As far as alternatives in politics are concerned, a free economy is necessary for their appearance - otherwise, where to get money for political activities. If the economy is strictly controlled and regulated by the state - in fact, by a certain "ruling party" (group), then no alternatives can appear.
      Accordingly, the economy will be built on models that are attractive and acceptable to members of this ruling group.
      Naturally, there will be no sane competition within the country, which means that in the external market, state will be required to advance. support. Somewhere it works, but in the bulk of the commodity items - no.
      Therefore, the country will slowly economically specialize in several more or less working positions, become more and more highly specialized "factory", more and more dependent on external parameters.
      Actually, by the fact, this has already happened.
    30. +2
      15 March 2020 17: 35
      And what does Stalin have to do with it? Compare with the kings, then Alexander 2 s (1855-1881)
    31. -2
      15 March 2020 18: 08
      Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
      I think the GDP will pass, too many people vote for it (there is no alternative).

      There is no alternative at all.
    32. 0
      15 March 2020 18: 13
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      And why, if the authorities know about it, not a lawsuit on this issue?

      Probably, that would keep the competitor for the "udder".
    33. +2
      15 March 2020 18: 13
      . This paralyzes the younger generation of Russian politicians, striking at their ambitions and willingness to move up the career ladder in the political system.
      that’s how I see that one paralyzed politician, Chubais, does not live well ...
    34. -3
      15 March 2020 18: 21
      comrades on the forum generally don’t understand what happened in the 90s ... The system changed not only the socio-economic and the country collapsed, but also created an external administration for the post-Soviet countries in the form of central banks and constitutions under external management ... You see, the system and to change, you need a revolution (the system will resist and make Putin extreme) or evolution-the gradual gnawing of sovereignty, the creation of conditions for the elites to work for Russia. Stalin, in the conditions of which Putin is, would act in a completely different way. Therefore, Putin turns directly to the people in conditions when the entire elite is controlled from the outside and directly says that development is impossible with the anti-Russian elite.
      1. -3
        15 March 2020 18: 34
        And what Putin has done for Russia will go down in history if komunyaki (not to be confused with communist Bolsheviks) like the Platoshkins and Grudinins don’t fall apart and the Russian Federation will fall apart, for this they are prepared from the outside along with Navalny, each creature is paired
    35. -8
      15 March 2020 18: 36
      Of course, Vladimir Vladimirovich is not perfect, and at first I had some doubts about Valentina Vladimirovna’s ambiguous proposal. But the farther the discussion moves, the clearer it becomes who and what it is, the better the internal and external enemies appear, the stronger the confidence that this step is needed. If only for the sake of this undisguised and indecent terrible disappointment of the West: since they are VERY dissatisfied and distressed, then you MUST DO it! Yes
      1. +6
        15 March 2020 18: 53
        then you MUST do it!
        That is, not for the good of Russia, but to spite the West? ..
      2. 0
        16 March 2020 09: 45
        And if the next one is Khrushchev, also for life?
        The vertical of power does not allow outsiders to be president. It is not right.
    36. -2
      15 March 2020 18: 51
      Putin is not equal to Stalin, so let's change it .... yes, do not give a damn about who to change, the main thing is to change, that in the Western newspapers we were praised more.
      Once again we follow the instructions of Western newspapers? The collapse of the USSR, voted with their hearts, privatized, defended the White House, went to gay parades, oops, did not have time.))))))
      Putin is not eternal, and the record of the family is man and woman for a long time. There will be no entry and there will be as in the EU 68 ways of perversion will be taught from kindergarten.
      Enough to avenge Putin for the Crimea. Start thinking with your head.
    37. -1
      15 March 2020 19: 04
      in general, I don’t understand when some people shout about the need for substitution ... So this is the Anglo-Saxon system imposed on the whole world when clans put p ... residents for certain tasks: once they met expectations, they give another term. And clans need replacement prevent the exit of p ... residents from under control. In our case, if a person copes and there is a will of the people, why bother him?
    38. -5
      15 March 2020 19: 10
      Quote: Gardamir
      then you MUST do it!
      That is, not for the good of Russia, but to spite the West? ..

      Do not distort: ​​it is for the good of Russia! Maybe you've heard this: "If the enemies scold me - then I'm doing everything right!"? However, you seem to VERY need to dump him. I believe that the majority of Russians will greatly disappoint you on April 22, and you will only have to be powerless to be angry with them here in the comments.
      You can give me another dislike, maybe it will feel better! laughing
      1. -4
        15 March 2020 20: 47
        "If the enemies scold me, then I am doing everything right!"
        So it was before the election. Suddenly, the same America began to praise Grudinin and scold Putin. A striking coincidence?
    39. -3
      15 March 2020 19: 20
      In Russia, it is not Putin’s presidential terms that should be nullified, but the restrictions on the deadlines should be abolished altogether. There are elections and the people themselves must decide to stay with the president or choose a new one.

      Limitations on 2 terms were imposed by the oligarchs, first in the United States, and then around the world, it’s easier for them to control people in power, they all become temporary workers and are not able to carry out any serious reforms.

      Roosevelt had 4 terms in power and died when he was still president, Merkel 4 terms in power and nothing, heaven did not fall to the earth and no one usurped power.

      An example of a frequent change of power is Ukraine. Did it help them? No.

      By the way, the president in the USA is called the lame duck for the 2nd term, since everyone understands that he can hardly change much.

      Russia does not need a temporary president, Russia needs a people’s leader as president.

      Talented managers worth their weight in gold, often the fate of the enterprise depends only on their work and many of them lead them for a long time. Try to change the manager and chief accountant every 10 years for a company; the company will hardly survive in such conditions for a higher one. And here is not a factory, but a whole country.

      Do not like Putin - vote for another candidate, think that they are cheating in the elections - go to the polls as observers, but the president in the country should not be limited to 2 terms.

      The president in Russia should be limited only to the elections of the people, ceased to arrange - they chose another.
      1. 0
        15 March 2020 20: 29
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        ... the president in the country should not be limited to 2 terms.
        The president in Russia should be limited only to the elections of the people, ceased to arrange - they chose another.

        In this case, you need to vote against the new constitution, there the term is limited.
        We have no choice of individual items.
      2. 0
        15 March 2020 23: 04
        In a progressive and democratic Federal Republic of Germany, the Chancellor (for example, Frau A. Merkel - 4 deadlines) elects for the post of head of state an UNLIMITED NUMBER OF TIMES and Germany did not fall apart.
    40. -2
      15 March 2020 19: 58
      I recommend closing your eyes and thinking about Russia
      1. +23
        21 November 2020 15: 53
        There are different ways to think about Russia. For example, the authorities of our bourgeois-oligarchic system think of Russia as a way of enrichment.
    41. -1
      15 March 2020 20: 07
      Funny to read. Russia is not a colony. Russia subcolony. Raw materials are pumped out of it, as well as the money that they receive for this raw material.
    42. 3vs
      -4
      15 March 2020 20: 39
      Moses drove Jews through the desert for forty years! wink
    43. +1
      15 March 2020 21: 28
      When in the 90s the liberals wrote a constitution based on "experts" and Soros grants, which on many points directly harms the interests of Russia itself, I do not remember that so many people broke spears in society. All these people, "not indifferent" to the fate of Russia, were sitting under some bushes. Now they just got a taste. Here you are on trial, Russia will pay billions, there is court for you, Russia will pay billions. Beauty is what. And again. A bummer is outlined. And it will not be at all so easy to dump it. Need to do something. What is there to do ? Western political strategists speak directly. With the modern structure of Russian society, the only means is the Internet. And off we go. I have not seen such a coordinated work for a long time. I'm not talking about VO now. If earlier on such resources, the cautious statement that not everything was lost in Russia gained 3-5 minuses, then in recent days there have been several hundred at least. For me personally, this is an interesting observation.
    44. 0
      15 March 2020 22: 44
      It’s not their dog business how much and who will be in power in Russia! How many people want to give as much and will be if he wants more!
    45. 0
      15 March 2020 22: 49
      In Denmark, in zoos in front of children, giraffes are butchered and meat is fed to lions, so that it does not disappear ... The Danish kingdom (in the 21st century ...) will teach Russia how to choose a head of state, let the Danes overthrow the "monarchy" at first, then they will teach others.
    46. -2
      15 March 2020 23: 13
      I read the postings and I had the firm conviction that here they were trying to instill in advance the idea that the results of the popular vote would be falsified. And therefore, it seems to me that the “anti-Putinists”, realizing that the people will still vote “for”, are already trying to “lay straws” in advance, otherwise there would be no such active complaint about “they have already got everything”, etc. .
    47. 0
      15 March 2020 23: 24
      When he promised a bunch of everything - and all this equipment - INVISIBLE SUPER STEALTH, because the Russian military will not see them in serial performance. They see first models, then blurry photos and videos, then regular pokatushki at the parade of some of them, then regular prototypes of the next stage ....... And all those who have no analogs. This is the 5th generation Su-57 multipurpose fighter, which has no equal in terms of test and launch duration, as well as the number of engines of some figs understand the stages, this is also a super tank, which has no analogues in the galaxy in terms of the number of passes only at parades - T-14 "Armata", this is a promising long-range nuclear torpedo "Poseidon", so secret that no one will see it for another thirty years, even in Russia, this is the RS-28 "Sarmat" intercontinental ballistic missile, which no one will distinguish either from the usual - the launch of the rocket from the mine and in Africa start. Well, the cherry on top of the cake of promises is a low-flying, stealthy cruise missile with a nuclear power plant "Burevestnik", which has already killed a bunch of scientists and apparently still flies around the earth until the nuclear fuel runs out. And, by the way, it is eerily invisible - even its own military cannot see it. And when he promised so much - the people believe. Believes in security and a bright future. And on a drum that all the promised STEALTH, invisible, intangible in the series, is in service. The main thing is to believe. That the enemy is afraid. We are not.
      1. 0
        16 March 2020 07: 35
        The cherry on the cake is your statement that everything should appear by magic. Russia is not going to start an arms race, everything is going as planned, gradually, technology is being brought up. Learn to think. First, a small batch is made, enters the troops, then it is run-in, and for a long time, and only after the elimination of childhood illnesses is the question of supplies to the troops resolved. While Russia has nuclear weapons, there is no need for a quick saturation of troops for a total war.
    48. 0
      16 March 2020 02: 06
      Are there any other standing candidates in Russia for the presidency?
      I honestly don’t see (from the outside)
      On the one hand, the change of power should be otherwise stagnation. On the other hand, there are practically no real candidates now.
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    50. -1
      16 March 2020 04: 33
      What to you !!! ??? We'll figure it out ourselves, thanks to "helped" in the 90s to destroy everything that "their" ghouls could not - apparently "victory in the collapse of the USSR" does not give rest.
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    53. 0
      16 March 2020 11: 20
      Excuse me, but they still don’t have a king there? And why do they even care who is in our leadership here? If we want to vote for Putin, we will vote.
    54. +1
      16 March 2020 11: 48
      Yes, Stalin, in thirty years, from a country that plowed a goat's plow, made a nuclear and space power, created entire industries that did not exist before. Putin has not created anything in twenty years. Nothing, he has another ten years. Maybe it will explode, won't you catch up?
      1. -1
        16 March 2020 12: 30
        You can, of course, act using Stalin’s methods, but Stalin had like-minded Bolsheviks... Who will Stalin rely on - you, who are completely illiterate in matters of management and will betray him at any moment?
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      3. 0
        17 March 2020 09: 53
        Yes, in thirty years, Stalin, from a country that plowed a goat’s plow, became a nuclear and space power, created entire industries that did not exist before. And he ruined cybernetics and what is connected with it - information technology
        1. +20
          21 November 2020 15: 54
          Lie. It was under Stalin that the foundations of Soviet cybernetics were laid, which were destroyed after his death.
    55. 0
      16 March 2020 11: 59
      He may rule longer than Comrade Stalin, but he will never be able to compare with him.
    56. -2
      16 March 2020 12: 32
      Quote: Alexander X
      I read the postings and I had the firm conviction that here they were trying to instill in advance the idea that the results of the popular vote would be falsified. And therefore, it seems to me that the “anti-Putinists”, realizing that the people will still vote “for”, are already trying to “lay straws” in advance, otherwise there would be no such active complaint about “they have already got everything”, etc. .

      A LITTLE OBSERVATION. I, like you, like many reasonable people, was surprised by the unhealthy excitement and anger expressed in a large number of dislikes of balanced comments (some, it seems, did not write, but only downvoted). After studying the comments, I got the impression that it was the radical supporters of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the radical friends of the Sybras who distinguished themselves, who abruptly changed their orientation. And, of course, liberals, who VERY “love” GDP: how could we live without them? I believe THEIR opinion will lose the election. But they will “win” here!!! laughing
    57. -1
      16 March 2020 12: 41
      Quote: filin
      You can, of course, act using Stalin’s methods, but Stalin had like-minded Bolsheviks...Who will Putin rely on - you, who are completely illiterate in matters of management and will betray him at any moment?
    58. -1
      16 March 2020 12: 42
      [quote=filin] you can, of course, act using Stalin’s methods, but Stalin had like-minded Bolsheviks...Who will Putin rely on - you, who are completely illiterate in matters of governance and will betray him at any moment?
    59. +1
      16 March 2020 12: 50
      This paralyzes the development of the country... with all the sad consequences.
      Putin tells you in plain text: Development is impossible with elites controlled from outside. Go and vote or only someone should hand development to you on a platter
    60. 0
      16 March 2020 16: 29
      “Putin can remain in power” - he already has!
      1. +22
        21 November 2020 15: 54
        And it will remain in the future. He doesn't think about leaving his post.

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