Deripaska: For the Russian authorities, the coronavirus may become more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991

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Experts, assessing the situation in the global economy, note another feature associated with the WHO coronavirus pandemic. This is a situation in which previously imposed economic sanctions are simply meaningless. And sanctions against the Russian Federation, too.

It is noted that the outbreak of the coronavirus and the media background that accompanies it itself becomes one global “sanction” that blocks trade and human flows, reduces business contacts and crosses out trade transactions.



Where trade flourished just a few weeks ago, growth in trade was ensured, today there is an economic vacuum filled with a single substance - information materials from various media.

Countries, one after another, declare complete quarantine. It became known that the Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska asks to introduce full quarantine in the Russian Federation.

In his Telegram channel, Deripaska proposes to introduce quarantine for a period of 2 months and adds that the consequences of the spread of coronavirus for the Russian authorities can be even more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991.

Deripaska notes that the mentality of Russians is such that the vast majority of people are not even going to wear a mask, going to the mall or going down the subway.

Earlier, among experts, there was an assumption that COVID-19 "can take tens of millions of lives" and that "in the near future, up to 50 million people can lose their jobs."
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    1. +68
      14 March 2020 08: 57
      My mother belay - Another Herald from Medicine!
      Deripaska is a direct specialist in All Matters, a doctor is a generalist, political ...
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        1. +70
          14 March 2020 09: 07
          In his Telegram channel, Deripaska proposes to introduce quarantine for a period of 2 months and adds that the consequences of the spread of coronavirus for the Russian authorities can be even more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991.


          No problem !
          As an oligarch, and I hope the patriot (?) - FINANCE QUARANTINE EVENTS
          1. +23
            14 March 2020 10: 49
            Moreover, go to the shopping center by the metro and go for a ride - that’s why the soul hurts for the people. lol
            1. +6
              14 March 2020 10: 50
              Quote: Labrador
              Moreover, go to the shopping center by the metro and go for a ride - that’s why the soul hurts for the people.

              Yes, on a separate VIP - metro line.
          2. +15
            14 March 2020 12: 35
            Quote: Insurgent
            - FINANCE QUARANTINE EVENTS

            lie or don’t lie ... but they write
            In 2014-2016, West Africa was swept by Ebola. The outbreak claimed 11310 lives - this is the largest number of deaths for the entire existence of the virus. On the initiative of Deripaska, RUSAL became the first foreign company to enter the fight against the epidemic. For 50 days, RUSAL specialists built the Scientific Clinical and Diagnostic Center for Epidemiology and Microbiology in Kindia Province. Investments in the construction of the center amounted to $ 10 million, the cost of the overall package of measures to combat the virus - $ 20 million. More than 4500 residents of Kindia received free medical care provided by doctors from Russia. Thanks to the efforts of RUSAL, the epidemic was completely stopped; the risks of the spread of the virus were minimized.

            10 million for RUSAL-nonsense.
            Maybe he will pay attention to his homeland ...
            kicked out the "fish", gave the shares to the amserikos and now as Bill, which Gates:
            In 2018, Deripaska left senior positions at En + Group and RUSAL and focuses on charity and social activities. Among the key areas of his current work are comprehensive development of Russian regions, support for science, education, culture and sports, the fight against climate change, as well as the formation of a culture of humane attitude to animals.
            1. +5
              14 March 2020 17: 33
              My mother-in-law is a well-known children's allergist in our country. There are a lot of reasons for allergies, so in his work he knows well about viruses, bacteria, etc. In her words, with the arrival of heat, heat, this virus, like the flu, will disappear. These are long-term observations of many doctors, not only hers. Taking into account the above "experience" of Deripaska, he probably offers a period of 2 months of quarantine for a reason. Knowing that during this time either the donkey will die, or the padishah. Well, knowing this, you can do a lot: cut down the "dough", write off temporary problems, get an excuse, and so on.
              1. 0
                14 March 2020 20: 48
                Quote: Azim77
                . According to her, with the arrival of heat, heat, this virus, like the flu, will disappear.

                If it were so easy
                This virus is transmitted in only two ways. At the moment when the patient coughs or sneezes, or when he closes with his hand, and then he shakes hands with this hand or grasps the handle and for a short time a healthy person grasps and then scratches his eyes or nose with this hand. The question will be affected by temperature until no one answered and give examples that in Africa where the temperature is now high and there are patients.
                1. +1
                  15 March 2020 20: 32
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  The question will be affected by temperature until no one answered and give examples that in Africa where the temperature is now high and there are patients.

                  In Iran, 10 tons of cases. It is strange that countries such as India and Pakistan are hardly mentioned.
        2. +17
          14 March 2020 09: 07
          Quote: Kontroler
          Look how our oligarchy stirred.!

          Nobody just stirs like that .. The authorities will now have one more reason to write off their mediocre actions on the coronavirus .. At first, sanctions interfered .. and now the coronavirus .. and Deripaska is already preparing the ground for this .. According to some virologists, swine flu was more dangerous.
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            1. +8
              14 March 2020 09: 48
              And it’s not cold or hot for us in the provinces ... It’s there that Muscovites should rush around Moscow, changing rubles to dollars and buying up everything will be ruined ..

              Muscovites just suffer in the last turn .. all the money in Russia there .. but the province will very soon feel the weakening of the ruble ..
              And then Putin wanted to spend it on social media hehe heh .. Ah, now all the bankers will bark that they are going bankrupt, etc. How familiar and funny all this is ..

              Putin has intentions for 20 years, as correct, but the result is not good.
              1. +9
                14 March 2020 12: 43
                Quote: Svarog
                And it’s not cold or hot for us in the provinces ... It’s there that Muscovites should rush around Moscow, changing rubles to dollars and buying up everything will be ruined ..

                Muscovites just suffer in the last turn .. all the money in Russia there .. but the province will very soon feel the weakening of the ruble ..
                And then Putin wanted to spend it on social media hehe heh .. Ah, now all the bankers will bark that they are going bankrupt, etc. How familiar and funny all this is ..

                Putin has intentions for 20 years, as correct, but the result is not good.

                Vladimir, in vain are you driving Muscovites so badly. Here, too, is not sugar.
                My girlfriend works at MTUGA - a federal university. A single mother receives 12000 rubles, and the Moscow minimum wage is not paid because the federal employee. And nothing can be done. University in Moscow, employees in Moscow live, go to stores with Moscow prices, and the salary is like in Penza.
                And Deripaska opened his mouth for his loot. I remember very well how Deripaska stole his pen from Putin when he forced him to take back 50000 people he had fired. But the people and the coronavirus Deripaska do not care. He is afraid of losing loot.
                And yes, Muscovites don’t care for coronavirus, but for Deripasso and zeroing do not care. Muscovites, along with the whole country, are tired of the lawlessness of the nouveau riche.
                1. +7
                  14 March 2020 13: 22
                  Quote: Bearded
                  And yes, Muscovites don’t care for coronavirus, but for Deripasso and zeroing do not care. Muscovites, along with the whole country, are tired of the lawlessness of the nouveau riche.

                  Yes, I do not drive Muscovites .. but the system .. It is clear that Muscovites are not sweet .. but in comparison with the regions it will still be better, otherwise half the country would not have left there))
                  And yes, the country is tired of lawlessness .. hi
                  1. -4
                    14 March 2020 13: 31
                    Quote: Svarog
                    I'm driving ..

                    It is what it is . laughing
                    Quote: Svarog
                    the country is tired of lawlessness.

                    Oh again. Where is that country of Svarogia? request wassat
                    1. +4
                      14 March 2020 14: 08
                      Quote: Paranoid50
                      Oh again. Where is that country of Svarogia?

                      There is no such country ... if it is only in the fantasies of its adherents ... But seriously, this coronovirus works selectively ... It kills people over 60 years old ... Here you have an improvement in the demographic situation in developed countries with a large number of pensioners ... Europe and Russia, etc. ... Young workable are alive. Children do not get sick, real estate apartments are freed. The population is rejuvenating ... Full of work. State funds for the payment of pensions are saved, the standard of living is growing ... in a word, some No. sly coronavirus ... "Correct!" am That's when you start to believe in the "world-shadow government !! Maybe I'm too suspicious ....?"
                      1. Dog
                        -1
                        14 March 2020 21: 06
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        Maybe I'm too dubious ....?

                        Any virus primarily kills the lives of old people and people with a weakened body. You can look through the statistics
                        1. 0
                          15 March 2020 08: 35
                          Here, an accelerated program for cleaning pensioners works ... They clean Europe and countries with a predominantly old population ... Russia got a trailer ... So a travel companion!
                2. 0
                  14 March 2020 14: 42
                  Who does she work in high school? Part-time teacher? She is a federal state employee. Employees and university professors are not federal civil servants.
                3. Dog
                  -1
                  14 March 2020 21: 04
                  Quote: Bearded
                  Vladimir, in vain are you driving Muscovites so

                  And this is a deliberate incitement to hatred and enmity, with an aim to divide our society.
                  In addition to the oligarchs and deputies, another 20 million ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation live in Moscow, the difference in income of which with the rest of our country is consumed by the cost of housing and transport (well, by the prices of the same medicine, food, etc.).
                  1. +3
                    14 March 2020 21: 15
                    Quote: Dog
                    the difference in income which is consumed with the cost of housing with the rest of our country

                    Just do not tell tales. I compared the prices for a communal apartment, for some items, for example, hot water, they are lower in Moscow. And free travel for pensioners or disabled people, for example, we do not have, unlike Moscow. Housing rent - yes, expensive, and food prices are almost the same.
                    1. Dog
                      +1
                      15 March 2020 01: 04
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      I compared the prices for a communal apartment, for some items, for example, hot water, they are lower in Moscow

                      Khrushchev’s odnushka (let’s take for the unit of measure) pays 5-7 thousand per month (depending on the district and the volume of utilities utilization) throughout the year (heating is spread over the whole year, we take it). Total 60-84 thousand rubles per year. And how much do you have?

                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      free travel for pensioners or disabled people, for example, we don’t have

                      No need to tell fairy tales; free travel to the place of treatment is a federal benefit. Moscow gives additional benefits to people with disabilities, but not only Moscow. And the total cost of travel, if you are not disabled (and there are most of them), is prohibitive in Moscow, in terms of regions.

                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Renting a house - yes, dear,

                      Buying is even more expensive. Contacted a mortgage - most of the pay back to the bank for many years to come. The regions are much easier. In the regions, during the crisis of 14-16 years, housing became cheaper, I know cities where it has fallen in price 3 times !!! In Moscow, it is only getting more expensive.
                      + In Moscow, people go to work by the hour / two. Tell one of the regions - buy a house in the village for everything and drive 40 minutes a day to work in the city, what's the problem? They throw stones like a heretic - 40 minutes before work, but where is it seen ?!

                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      prices for products are almost similar

                      With the advent of large networks in the regions, the difference is less and less, but nevertheless, while it definitely is.
                      The first link to the cost of a consumer basket by region:
                      North-West - 11,7 thousand rubles.
                      Central Federal District - 8,2 thousand rubles.
                      Southern Federal District - 8,5 thousand rubles.
                      North Caucasus - 8,4 thousand rubles.
                      Volga region - 8,5 thousand rubles.
                      Ural - 9,7 thousand rubles.
                      Siberia - 9,3 thousand rubles.
                      Far East - 10,2 thousand rubles.
                      St. Petersburg - 10 thousand rubles.
                      Moscow - 14,4 thousand rubles



                      So, Mordvin, telling tales really is not necessary.
                      1. +1
                        15 March 2020 01: 49
                        Quote: Dog
                        Khrushchev’s odnushka (let’s take for the unit of measure) pays 5-7 thousand per month (depending on the district and the volume of utilities utilization) throughout the year (heating is spread over the whole year, we take it). Total 60-84 thousand rubles per year. And how much do you have?

                        And how do I know how much water you pour on yourself there? For example, we have 3-4 cubic meters per person. Per month. Electricity is about 25 kilowatts per person per month. For 60 squares we pay about 7,5-8 thousand. For three persons.
                        Quote: Dog
                        No need to tell fairy tales; free travel to the place of treatment is a federal benefit.

                        Bravo! Only byad, in our city, solid minibuses ride. And they don’t carry anyone for free.
                        Quote: Dog
                        In Moscow, people go to work an hour / two. Tell one of the regions - buy a house in the village for everything and drive 40 minutes a day to work in the city, what's the problem? Stoned as a heretic

                        I saw more than 200 km to Moscow. I worked for you. In the metro area Pechatnikov. Muscovites were paid there one and a half times more than us, and two times more than the Uzbek Tajiks.
                        Quote: Dog
                        So, Mordvin, telling tales really is not necessary.

                        Minimal salary in Moscow - more than 18 thousand, we have - 12.
                        Tula region, if that. The subsistence minimum for the 4th quarter of that year for the able-bodied population is 11100.
                        Figures on a communal apartment are reluctant to seek, already arguing with Ivanov about six months ago, laid out.
                        So moderate your ambition, I have relatives in Moscow, I know how much. By the way, as your Moscow companies came to us, so garbage disposal has already risen in price three times. You’re completely hoarse there, including the purchase of cars in the cost of garbage removal.
                        1. Dog
                          +2
                          15 March 2020 10: 00
                          Quote: Mordvin 3
                          how do I know how much water you pour on yourself there?

                          These are the average figures for the city.

                          Quote: Mordvin 3
                          For 60 squares we pay about 7,5-8 thousand. For three persons

                          It turns out that it is 2 times cheaper.

                          Quote: Mordvin 3
                          solid minibuses

                          Those less to me, you lied.

                          Quote: Mordvin 3
                          I worked for you. In the metro area Pechatnikov. Muscovites were paid there one and a half times more than us

                          Another tale.

                          Quote: Mordvin 3
                          I have relatives in Moscow, I know how much

                          It turns out - no
                      2. 0
                        15 March 2020 02: 01
                        So buy where it got cheaper. Where does my uncle live, for example. BAM settlement. It’s true that you won’t find work there during the day with fire, it simply isn’t there, my uncle was hunting and gardening until his retirement.
                        Quote: Dog
                        I know cities where it has fallen in price 3 times !!! In Moscow, it is only getting more expensive.
                  2. +6
                    14 March 2020 21: 57
                    Quote: Dog
                    And this is a deliberate incitement to hatred and enmity, with an aim to divide our society.

                    In your unhealthy fantasy, probably ..
                    society has long been divided, unless of course you broadcast from Russia ..
                    In addition to the oligarchs and deputies, another 20 million ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation live in Moscow

                    And I lived there .. for five years and you will tell me about the difference in life in Moscow and the province? What is paid medicine? In Moscow, and with the free, everything is fine .. Are you definitely familiar with life in Russia? I signed up for a specialist in Moscow for free and went through all the tests for a week .. where I live now, it will take at least 1,5 months and yes, you have to go for a fee.
                    Food in Moscow is cheaper .. like clothes .. Communal services are cheaper .. Pensions are higher .. like life .. are you aware that long-livers are most in Moscow? Learn Russia, best of all, having lived here, and then enter into polemics ..
                    1. Dog
                      0
                      15 March 2020 01: 33
                      Quote: Svarog
                      In your unhealthy fantasy

                      What fantasies are there? In the same way, Ukraine once shouted that Muscovites were snickering at their expense, and to separate Ukraine from Moscow - and it would heal more beautiful than all, the world would fill up with grain. And now what? Healed? Failed?
                      If you do evil by organizing your own knowledge or by being stupid, this does not excuse you, because you must know that you are either not aware, or you are just too narrow-minded, and inhibit yourself from carrying hostility and strife to the masses.

                      Quote: Svarog
                      you will tell me

                      I. Since my parents could not sow good and bright, then I will do it.

                      Quote: Svarog
                      during the week all passed with all the analyzes

                      Seriously? Let’s conclude a contract, if you lied, then you are 3/4 of me from you until the end of your life? We assure the notary public, and let’s go by emias analysis in Moscow to do - in a week. Or are you just a liar?
                      Even a child does longer.

                      Quote: Svarog
                      Products in Moscow are cheaper

                      He cited the higher cost of the consumer basket. You're lying plain again.

                      Quote: Svarog
                      Communal is cheaper

                      Name your sum, squares and region.
                4. Dog
                  +4
                  14 March 2020 21: 10
                  Quote: Bearded
                  My girlfriend works at MTUGA - a federal university. Single mother receives 12000 rubles

                  At Moscow State University we’re no longer footing. Grants (whoever has them), business trips to foreign branches and part-time jobs in third-rate pedagogues, etc., are saved, where salaries are not an example more than in the first university of the country. It all depends on the greed of the rector.
                  1. +1
                    15 March 2020 15: 59
                    Quote: Dog
                    At Moscow State University we’re no longer footing.

                    Well, yes - junior researcher - 11-12 tr., Senior researcher - 16 tr., Leading researcher - about 20 tr., Professor, he is already "decent" - 40-60 tr. ....
                    That's how we live...

                    Oh yes - an important point - half of each amount - the rector’s surcharge, if you take purely state rates - then divide by two all salaries ...
              2. +4
                14 March 2020 23: 07
                Quote: Svarog

                And it’s not cold or hot for us in the provinces ... It’s there that Muscovites should rush around Moscow, changing rubles to dollars and buying up everything will be ruined ..

                Muscovites just suffer in the last turn .. all the money in Russia there .. but the province will very soon feel the weakening of the ruble ..

                Vladimir, hi You are an interesting conversationalist, although your posts sometimes cause a certain discount on the forum, it does not surprise me and does not outrage! You have your own opinion and you can defend them reasonably and competently ..
                I am a Muscovite, and not in the first generation, life, made me live in Transcaucasia for many years (service), work in Tatarstan, in Bama, in the North of the country. I, all the relatives who stayed, live in Moscow, but I have no one else anywhere.
                I am a native Muscovite, not in the first generation, and I simply do not have other relatives. .
                Less than 30% of us are left here, the rest are newcomers, I have nothing against them, BUT, where does this neglect of Muscovites come from? My dad, the Kingdom of Heaven, at one time called them masquerades, although he worked for ZIL for many years and had 56 years of experience.
                I really don’t like what my city is turned into, probably this is the lot of capitals. But among my relatives who stayed, everyone lives in Moscow ..
                I don’t buy everything and don’t exchange rubles for bucks, believe me !.
                So, you don’t need all to the same measure! hi
                1. +1
                  15 March 2020 07: 43
                  BUT, where does the neglect of Muscovites come from?

                  Vyacheslav hi Perhaps I’m not very clear in expressing my opinion .. but I repeat, I don’t neglect Muscovites .. this is not about Muscovites at all .. I traveled almost the whole country just like you, including living in Moscow . For this reason, I can argue that life in Moscow is much better arranged and Moscow is very different from any other city, and this is a fact, as well as the fact that many tend to leave for non-rubber .. hi
                  1. 0
                    15 March 2020 15: 57
                    Quote: Svarog
                    life in Moscow is much better arranged and Moscow is very different from any other city and this is a fact

                    But I liked life in St. Petersburg and Rostov-on-Don much more than in Moscow - there isn’t much of the dope that the Moscow authorities are satisfied ..
          2. +33
            14 March 2020 09: 55
            Deripaska is already preparing the ground for this ..

            In 2017, Oleg Vladimirovich deigned to acquire the citizenship of the Republic of Cyprus. The Constitution of the Russian Federation allows ...
            And in 2019, Deripaska announced a competition among journalists in the United States. The condition of the competition was simple - to write an article in your media on the topic: "Why is Deripaska not a friend of Putin and why is he safe for the United States?"
            The first three best authors received 100, 200, and 300 thousand dollars.
            It did not help, miserable ... The States never lifted personal sanctions against him.
            Ah, how uncomfortable the unshaven in the vastness of his native country ...
            But the kid is creative! Will come up with something else.
            No wonder for several years he was the richest businessman in Russia ... laughing
            1. +6
              14 March 2020 13: 53
              Quote: Paul Siebert
              For several years he was the richest businessman in Russia ...

              And the habits remained rogue: "Return the pen"(with) laughing
              1. +9
                14 March 2020 15: 44
                Quote: Paranoid50
                And the habits remained rogue: "Return the pen" (c)

                It’s impossible to make a gentleman’s brother.
                1. +4
                  14 March 2020 17: 28
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Quote: Paranoid50
                  And the habits remained rogue: "Return the pen" (c)

                  It’s impossible to make a gentleman’s brother.

                  Well, maybe only a "gentleman of fortune" laughing
                2. 0
                  14 March 2020 18: 24
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  It’s impossible to make a gentleman’s brother.

                  but for such a comparison, the "lads" were offended ... you are not my brother, ..... ........... (c)
          3. +32
            14 March 2020 11: 13
            On the one hand, the entire pension fund is now bogging down with impatience: rather, a coronovirus would come and clean the country from retirees, parasites like me. Indeed, thank God, he practically does not touch young people. On the other hand, the hype surrounding the disease is clearly artificially inflated. Let's count: in China, the population is about 1400 million, the average life expectancy is about 70 years. We divide the first into the second and we get that the annual mortality rate is 20 million people. And a little more than 3000 died from the coronovirus. That is, against the background of annual mortality, this is only a 0,015% excess over the background. Everything is within the margin of error. Even in Italy, with its 60 million population and stupidity of the state, the proportion of deaths from coronavirus, and not from other causes, is quite small.
            In 2016, about 1100 people died from the flu in Russia. Has anyone panicked? Did any Deripaska-Abramovich’s climb with offers of quarantine? Does the fact that about 100 people die daily from HIV infection (36000 people a year!) Touch anyone? And about the same for tuberculosis and drugs. These diseases have long acquired the status of an epidemic, about which the authorities prefer to remain silent. That's where the trouble is, and nobody really scratches it.
            1. 0
              14 March 2020 12: 45
              in China, then cities were closed ... in a couple of months we will re-read the posts later ... if we are alive
          4. 0
            14 March 2020 11: 22
            How can you say this, are you not a patriot ??? Everyone understands that Trump is to blame !!!!!))))
          5. 0
            15 March 2020 15: 55
            Quote: Svarog
            According to some virologists, swine flu was more dangerous.

            If we consider that the proportion of people infected with swine flu was 4-5% of the total number of patients with influenza, and the mortality rate from it was several times lower than from ordinary flu - equal COVID-19 and swine flu still greatly minimize the danger of the former.
        3. +23
          14 March 2020 09: 15
          For the deaths in Italy from the coronavirus, statistics were cited that of the cases, death mowed down mainly people for 60 years and older. There were only 50% of those who died at the age from 60 to 0,1 years old. This is less than the usual flu. In the economy, the decrease in people who are not employed in it or are employed partly to the extent of old age does not have a serious meaning. So let Deripaska rest with his "smart" conclusions. Another thing is that antiviral measures with total quarantines are really capable of ruining any economy, no matter how strong it is. hi
          1. +21
            14 March 2020 09: 37
            bessmertniy, yes he asks for money. Or will ask. So he is looking for a stove from which it will be more convenient to dance.
            1. +2
              14 March 2020 10: 29
              Glory hi A man makes money ... "Don't shoot the pianist - he plays as best he can"
            2. -2
              14 March 2020 11: 16
              Quote: sabakina
              Yes, he asks for money. Or will ask.

              Well, redirect the applicant to the place of professional activity. To the exit of the subway, to the train or there to the porch.
          2. +2
            14 March 2020 09: 45
            Plus sign from me.
            But! Note who owns the power? Those who are over 50 with a hook. So they are afraid to pick up. Although they have the maximum opportunity to recover.
            1. +17
              14 March 2020 09: 49
              More correctly they need to be treated not so much from coronavirus as from greed and stupidity. feel
              1. +4
                14 March 2020 09: 53
                They are treated by another laughing
            2. +13
              14 March 2020 09: 51
              If it’s age, then money may not be saved.
              Chubais created the people of the poor and the rich, and the Coronovirus equalized their chances.
              Here is such a squiggle (Tse).
              1. +6
                14 March 2020 09: 59
                I hope you understand that the rich have much more chances and opportunities to be cured.
                In essence, the treatment is similar to conventional including blood transfusion.
                The revealed difference is that it is necessary to "crush" a certain protein that promotes the development of coronavirus in the body, which is produced more in older people.
                Yes, for a long time you can buy health for money or, if not health, then you can constantly be treated for sure.
                1. +4
                  14 March 2020 10: 17
                  Then why would Deripaska be nervous? Apparently not everything is so rosy for the creative class.
                2. +3
                  14 March 2020 11: 11
                  Quote: Private-K
                  I hope you understand that the rich have much more chances and opportunities to be cured.
                  In essence, the treatment is similar to conventional including blood transfusion.
                  The revealed difference is that it is necessary to "crush" a certain protein that promotes the development of coronavirus in the body, which is produced more in older people.
                  Yes, for a long time you can buy health for money or, if not health, then you can constantly be treated for sure.

                  No money will save, believe me. if the immune system works well, then the drugs do little to solve. If your body is not crap, then he knows better what any doctor does than any doctor. Money and drugs will not rectify the situation. money can help buy a kidney and transplant, the heart, liver, etc. The immune system, which will fight the virus, cannot be transplanted.
                  Take HIV, for example, a highly controversial disease, if it exists at all. There is simply no strain by which one could say that it is AIDS. It is determined by indirect signs. And what does it mean? I'll tell you. For example, if you were ill a couple of days ago and drank antibiotics, and then go to donate blood for HIV, you will be diagnosed with it. Why, for example, are drug addicts at risk for this "disease"? Not because they use the same syringe, but because immunity is in the trash. And there is no strain of the disease.
                  A few days ago, I talked about this topic with a virologist. Do you know what he said? everyone will get sick, but there is nothing wrong with that. In the language of technology, this is called a "broken pixel". Mows down someone who is weak, it's like AIDS. And yet, the virus can think. And in order for him to exist, he cannot destroy everyone on earth. Then where can he continue to exist?
                  1. +2
                    14 March 2020 11: 19
                    Quote: Normal
                    In the language of technology, this is called a "broken pixel".

                    class, you need to remember.
                    Dead pixel.
                    It used to be in use - a weak link, now there will be a broken pixel. laughing good
                  2. 0
                    15 March 2020 00: 43
                    Your post is a bunch of nonsense.
                    HIV strains are currently known, grouped and investigated.
                    This virus successfully destroys the immune system and completely healthy people,
                    if they are in prolonged sexual contact with an AIDS patient.
                    And no sport and vitamins will help a healthy man in this case,
                    1. 0
                      15 March 2020 08: 36
                      I repeat once again: when a person goes to donate blood for HIV, he is always asked whether he has been ill for the past two weeks and whether he has taken antibiotics. So, if there is a strain, then it is absolutely parallel whether a person was sick before it or not, they will find it. I absolutely affirm that if this was also the person before that, about two days before the donation of blood, he only recovered and took antibiotics, then with a high degree of probability he could have a positive result.
                3. +8
                  14 March 2020 13: 21
                  "the method of treatment is similar to the usual one, including blood transfusion" ///
                  ----
                  Blood is not transfused. Only artificial ventilation helps
                  lung ventilation. Check how many ventilators are in the nearest
                  hospitals and evaluate your chances if you are a middle-aged person.
                  1. +1
                    14 March 2020 23: 43
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Check how many ventilators are in the nearest
                    hospitals and evaluate your chances

                    You need to check your bank account, the amount of mechanical ventilation in the nearest clinics depends on this. laughing
                    Bank account - determines the chances, and then how God sends! hi
                4. -4
                  14 March 2020 15: 50
                  Quote: Private-K
                  I hope you understand that the rich have much more chances and opportunities to be cured.
                  In essence, the treatment is similar to conventional including blood transfusion.

                  And what is the difference between a rich and a patient with such a technique. They will simply give the rich a 3 room ward, and the poor a bunk in the hallway. But recovery does not depend on this.
                  1. +3
                    14 March 2020 17: 35
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    Quote: Private-K
                    I hope you understand that the rich have much more chances and opportunities to be cured.
                    In essence, the treatment is similar to conventional including blood transfusion.

                    And what is the difference between a rich and a patient with such a technique. They will simply give the rich a 3 room ward, and the poor a bunk in the hallway. But recovery does not depend on this.

                    No. The rich, at the first sign, will immediately go to his 3-room ward, and the poor will run to the district doctors, tests, etc. for a couple of weeks, that is, it will be too late to treat him. So - it depends.
                    1. -2
                      14 March 2020 18: 41
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      and the poor one runs a couple of weeks at the local doctors, tests, etc.

                      what This is for whom such tales ?? !!! wassat laughing
                      1. +5
                        14 March 2020 18: 51
                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        and the poor one runs a couple of weeks at the local doctors, tests, etc.

                        what This is for whom such tales ?? !!! wassat laughing

                        What fairy tales? My wife was suspected of a blood clot in the pulmonary artery, offered to go and take tests - this is in 3 different places, go to get an X-ray of the chest, the dates were March 1, March 10, March 16. Is it more or less than 2 weeks? But she cannot move with such a diagnosis! This is our real medicine. I had to do everything for money in one place and in one day. And what’s most interesting - the diagnosis has not yet been clarified! Kapets, medicine has come. And you say fairy tales.
                        1. -1
                          14 March 2020 21: 12
                          Quote: Doliva63
                          My wife suspected a blood clot

                          what Well I say fairy tales !! wink why did you extrapolate your situation with a thrombus to the situation with coronavirus ?? !!! recourse Or do you think that the "civilized" ones with your situation in 10 minutes would be given resuscitation ?? !! fool wassat
                        2. -3
                          15 March 2020 18: 44
                          Quote: Nikolai Grek
                          Quote: Doliva63
                          My wife suspected a blood clot

                          what Well I say fairy tales !! wink why did you extrapolate your situation with a thrombus to the situation with coronavirus ?? !!! recourse Or do you think that the "civilized" ones with your situation in 10 minutes would be given resuscitation ?? !! fool wassat

                          Why not extrapolate? The thrombus came off, the man died. And this virus is either confirmed, or not, or there will be complications, or not. Did you catch the difference? And a person, in fact, is driven to the brink of death as they want. The medicine in the country is almost dead. Not for nothing abroad, who have enough money, go for treatment. Or are there fairy tales? laughing A lover of fairy tales, damn it.
                        3. -1
                          15 March 2020 21: 16
                          Quote: Doliva63
                          Why not extrapolate?

                          because these are different things !!!
                          Quote: Doliva63
                          the rhombus came off, the man died. And this virus is either confirmed, or not, or there will be complications, or not. Did you catch the difference?

                          Believe me, right now, with the coronavirus, "blood clots" are pushed "far" back ... and this is not only in Russia !! request
                          Quote: Doliva63
                          The medicine in the country is almost dead. Not for nothing abroad, who have enough money, go for treatment.

                          in principle, after that it is useless to discuss with you !!! laughing
                          Quote: Doliva63
                          Or are there fairy tales?

                          for those who normally perceive reality - yes ... just for you and other pseudo-communists !!! wassat
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          3. +1
            14 March 2020 10: 22
            Pension reform from mother nature? Or ....
          4. +7
            14 March 2020 10: 27
            He suggested. Good bad I can not say. What do you propose to make a political decision and pretend that there is no pandemic or still take some action. Write what to do.
            For example, Sobyanin instructed to build an urgent hospital for patients with this virus. And he allocated 43 hectares for the construction, construction 30 km from the Moscow Ring Road near the village of Golokhvastovo. Or do you think it also just wanted money?
            1. +9
              15 March 2020 10: 12
              Quote: YOUR
              Or do you think it also just wanted money?

              first closed a dozen hospitals, including infectious ones, and now is about to urgently build a new one. Why was it closing? And then. that will cut the loot, no doubt
          5. -1
            14 March 2020 10: 59
            Quote: bessmertniy
            For the deaths in Italy from the coronavirus, statistics were cited that of the cases, death mowed down mainly people for 60 years and older. There were only 50% of those who died at the age from 60 to 0,1 years old. This is less than the usual flu. In the economy, the decrease in people who are not employed in it or are employed partly to the extent of old age does not have a serious meaning. So let Deripaska rest with his "smart" conclusions. Another thing is that antiviral measures with total quarantines are really capable of ruining any economy, no matter how strong it is. hi

            Our country will have one of the best statistics in the good sense of the word, on mortality from this virus. I will explain why. The fact is that this virus basically mows older and older people. Therefore, in Italy such a plague. The Italians, if I am not mistaken, were in third place in terms of life expectancy. Plus, their retirees are actively involved in tourism. Distances in Europe are small, so it’s not difficult to rebuild each other.
            In our case, sometimes people do not live up to retirement, which means that mortality due to age will be lower. We have no old people so active. We don’t go to the bakery by taxi (s)
          6. 0
            14 March 2020 12: 47
            as I understand it, you speak directly to our pensioners, I put it on you ... I’m not going to die, but on me to me ... like our government, from the bell tower ...
      2. +2
        14 March 2020 10: 00
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Deripaska is a direct specialist in All Matters, a doctor is a generalist, political ...
        Probably the family has already sent to an island bought in Indonesia.
      3. +12
        14 March 2020 10: 04
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Another Herald from Medicine!

        but if in fact, he is right. Only full temporary quarantine can localize a pandemic. In Italy, the mortality rate is 5%. Italy simply, for example, did not accept the plane from Russia and sent back.
        All hospitals in Moscow are quarantined and this is also correct. Understand that after optimizing health care, even radiologists, therapists and infectious disease specialists are now working with therapists.
      4. -3
        14 March 2020 10: 47
        Not enough billions caught in the metal industry? Bought a business in medicine?
      5. +4
        14 March 2020 11: 03
        More terrible than our officials and liberals there is nothing in the world! What is there some kind of miserable coronovirus, compared to mediocrity from the government, stuffing their pockets with folk money allocated for one or another social program?
      6. +2
        14 March 2020 11: 29
        There are no masks in my city. Neither in pharmacies, nor in online pharmacies. As sure and there are no devices for artificial ventilation of the lungs in large quantities. The city is 500.000 people. It is scary to think if the wave of patients will be like abroad and it is difficult to imagine what will be treated at the level of China and Europe. This passenger understands everything, if he decided to arise, then there are reasons that are not clear to us.
        1. +1
          14 March 2020 18: 23
          Quote: Krillon
          There are no masks in my city. Neither in pharmacies, nor in online pharmacies

          Likewise. True, we managed to find out something else. Masks for the city have been ordered and are expected soon. And in - the quote - "in large quantities, but the masks will not go to pharmacies, they will only go to hospitals." I also learned something. In large retail chains, management conducts surveys among employees on the topic if masks are delivered to them, whether they will wear them at work. It is also recommended not to allow employees with signs of discomfort to work. It is not specified whether the time of "sickness" will be paid and who will work instead of such employees.
          Based on these "rumors" I conclude that the country is preparing for the arrival of the virus. Through "one place" but getting ready.
          1. +1
            14 March 2020 22: 32
            In addition, as the masks assure the virus is not an obstacle, they are going to treat in the old fashioned way, who will get an unlucky ticket, well, no luck ... There is no general strategy, schools were sent to a two-week quarantine, and kindergartens and nurseries are working parents will not go to work, not all grandparents have to keep an eye on these "measures" for the virus.
            1. +2
              14 March 2020 23: 00
              Quote: Krillon
              and kindergartens and nurseries work, to close them means parents will not go to work, not all grandfathers and grandmother have a look

              Separate groups are closed for influenza every year, even if not in their entirety, but this does not cause any special problems - health is more expensive, especially children's health. There will be prerequisites - they will close it now. We have not yet closed anything. Hoping for the best.
      7. +5
        14 March 2020 11: 32
        Once again I am convinced that the planned economic system of the USSR, fenced off from the world economic system of capitalism, was much more resistant to all kinds of cataclysms and crises! Over the 30 years of the existence of "democratic" Russia, even toes and hands will not be enough to count how many shocks our economy has experienced and in what deep .. in the depression it is! However, this does not particularly concern Derepaska, but all the rest of the "dear scattered" ... Well, in this very .... hollow, lovers of the capitalist formation of "freedom, equality and brotherhood" are floundering, but why should everyone else suffer? In the USSR, we would only learn about the coronavirus, the economic crisis and the people's oppressors from the Forbes list from the International Panorama program - healthy and with absolute confidence in the future! As the loaf cost 20 kopecks, it would have cost ... And then there is a coronavirus, then oil, then sanctions, then reforms, then zeroing ... one continuous ... hollow, not life! laughing
        1. +1
          14 March 2020 13: 00
          Quote: Finches
          Once again I am convinced that the planned economic system of the USSR, shielded from the world economic system of capitalism, was much more resistant to all kinds of cataclysms and crises!

          Is this the system that Soviet newspapers wrote about? Of course. The most sustainable in the world.
          True, the real one was a little different. In it, no one would know anything about any epidemic at all, even if half the population had died out.
          1. +1
            14 March 2020 13: 33
            Didn't you have a TV? Have you seen Bovin in the "International Panorama" and Senkevich in the "Travelers' Club"? Or are you just lying (I beg your pardon) as an eyewitness? Or, on the contrary, they did not find it ... That is exactly what all the newspapers and magazines of the Soviet Union would write about! And don't forget - at that time only the Red Banner and Legendary were stationed from the Caribbean to Western Europe, from Vietnam to the African deserts ... You don't need to invent any heresy - all sorts of liberals and Solzhenitsyn have already done this well without you!
        2. +6
          14 March 2020 15: 37
          Hello, dear Eugene!
          With regret I watch how logic has left you in your comments lately. You rightly speak about the merits of the planned system of socialism today, but stood up for the "defiler" of this very system of the present "nullified" yesterday. Almost in every speech when he mentions the socialist economic system, only ridicule and spitting are heard from him. It is clear that we should expect more from him (some kind of political or economic analysis) and should not be due to his inability and unwillingness to strain in front of the rabble. Not about him - about you, my friend. I expect from you more integrity in beliefs and judgments. Yours sincerely. hi
          1. +1
            14 March 2020 16: 23
            Andrei hi

            I will try to explain the essence of my seemingly illogical comments on this subject. However, I wrote about this more than once. Being a supporter of the socialist path of development of Russia, I perfectly understand that today there are no opportunities to return to it, from the word at all! And here the main reason is not that many people are against, but the fact that, in general, we have not yet grown up to an understanding of this worldview!
            At the same time, I know that the Western liberal-bourgeois market model, covered by the so-called "democracy", is just an illusion imposed on us solely to fool the population and plunder Russian resources for the sake of a small handful of kids from transnational corporations! After all, a big oligarch has no concept of the Motherland - his Motherland is where there is profit! That is why there is globalization, erasure of borders, erasure of national identity, the imposition of any tolerance, etc.
            Based on these attitudes, I draw a conclusion - since a return to socialism is impossible, then is it worth changing the awl for soap in the Kremlin armchair - if we simplify it to form! A better "tsar" may come, than Putin, may come even worse ... but that the one that is different in the system of capitalist values ​​will be just a puppet of big capital! Nevertheless, Putin, apparently due to the fact that his worldview took shape during the Soviet era, still stands guard over national interests and, acting on the side of big capital, is trying to do this, separating Russia from infusion into the global "non-national" environment! Moreover, the golden billion is interested in Russia exclusively as a raw material base and in the fact that Putin does a lot to revive the army of our country, invests in geostrategic objects such as a cosmodrome, GLONASS ..., in the end, advocating for natural family values, protecting traditional relationships, confirm my correctness in this matter!
            In short, there is no point in changing it, and I just got used to Putin and a lot suits me about him, that's why I decided for myself that all sorts of elections are just a waste of people's money and time! And the democracy that our "western" friends imposed on us to ruin, and not to prosperity will lead us! Therefore, let it be Putin, and there will be day and there will be food!
            Do you understand me?
            1. +5
              14 March 2020 19: 33
              Thank you for the detailed answer, Eugene.
              I understand you. The system justified by you - I do not accept.
              It could have been done differently - with the responsibility of the bureaucracy for the decisions taken, with the equality of all before the law, with the absence of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and FSB-gang groups and the repressive nature of the courts ... A lot of things could have been done differently and better in the circumstances. Medicine, even education. And we have the power of thieves. But you decided that it suits you.
              1. 0
                14 March 2020 20: 08
                Perhaps in 100 years something will change for the better in Russia ... However, I'm not sure! And today nothing and nobody can do! As they say, life dictates its harsh laws to us ... Moreover, we can safely draw historical parallels - the Decembrists wanted to do the same as in France, but what came of it? And it suits, it does not suit - it is the same from the realm of fantasy! I just understand that nothing can be changed peacefully, but you think that something can be changed ... Any power under capitalism is thieves - the Marxist axiom! You think in the West not so - no, they just had a longer way and they are at a different stage of social development, but the essence is the same - yellow vests in France achieved minimal concessions through mass protests, but nothing more!
                You can argue as much as you like, but the reality is, it’s outside the window - on April 22 you can make sure that my words are correct - most Russians will come and vote as they should! But if the absent-minded people thought how you write, they would ignore this plebiscite ... And that would be a call for power! But he will not be! Fortunately, unfortunately ... I don’t know! I’m personally - I won’t go to the polling station!
      8. -1
        14 March 2020 12: 07
        Quote: Hunter 2
        My mother belay - Another Herald from Medicine!
        Deripaska is a direct specialist in All Matters, a doctor is a generalist, political ...

        Deripaska is RIGHT. Our borders are "walk flaw". And if not close, then ...
        And in general ... "specialist" does not mean to have a narrow specialization. A smart one who understands any field. (having logical thinking).
      9. 0
        14 March 2020 12: 43
        without ernism, only. well, what is he wrong about? They don’t buy the people and most of them will not buy masks because they don’t already exist or they don’t care. It’s not a matter of panic and fear, but elementary in logic. The asymptomatic process starts first, the person is already contagious. The number of corpses depends on the spread, and not on the lethality (in this case). Yes and how much ventilation we have yet A couple of hundred thousand things will go to the sick and recovered if there are hundreds of millions of mortality spreads. So you can laugh at the deripaska from the heart .... or act on the logic of things. We already have a few dozen sick, we’ll wait as if in Italy? Or we’ll act like China, stop it all. But yes, he’s a doctor
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      11. +9
        14 March 2020 15: 48
        Deripaska is a member of the Ebn-Yumashev clan, one of their wallets. Yumashev is now an adviser to the president, under ebna he was the main ideologist of ebnism and privatization. The president owes a lot to this family, or rather the current situation.
        Deripaska told about what was happening in his interview "" Let the marginals of the intelligentsia protect Baikal. "
        Fulfills secret orders of high-ranking officials in high offices of America.
        Judge for yourself what kind of person this is.

        PS. In the Krasnoyarsk Territory, pneumonia is diagnosed to dead people by the order of the dead, although doctors say the virus.
      12. 0
        14 March 2020 16: 06
        Quote: Hunter 2
        My Mother - Another Herald from Medicine!
        Deripaska is a direct specialist in All Matters, a doctor is a generalist, political ...

        Whatever it was, but in his words there is a sound idea. Look at the age and social group of people who are mowed by the coronovirus. Old people, beggars, poor, illegal, etc. ... it is in them that the greatest mortality. And what is this for the state? Fewer pensioners, less burden on the budget. Fewer and fewer poor, again, less headaches to the state.
        Yes, Deribaska is not special in medicine, but he understands that for the state and in particular its economy it means a reduction in the number of pensioners, the poor and the poor. Cynical? Certainly. Practically for the budget of the country, quite imagined. In nature, there is natural selection, when old, sick and weak animals die, making room for young and strong, so that the population grows stronger and grows, and here it is not natural selection, but artificial, with the same message. Europe, in general, is the territory of old people who live between 80-90, and even 100 years, receiving pensions.
        As for China, there is overpopulation, plus poverty, plus pensioners, which are more and more. But the economy is not rubber. And I think that the coronovirus did not come from the United States, as many believe, namely China launched it. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is logic in the appearance of this virus in this context.
      13. 0
        16 March 2020 09: 04
        Any, little bit competent doctor knows, the mask will never help not to get sick, it is effective solely to reduce the likelihood of infecting others.
    2. +9
      14 March 2020 09: 01
      And he is right in something. Now a huge number of economic ties are being violated. And what losses it will lead to is unknown.
      1. +5
        14 March 2020 09: 10
        Quote: Deniska999
        And he is right in something. Now a huge number of economic ties are being violated. And what losses it will lead to is unknown.

        I already wrote above - Suggest? With this material resources, help the country!
        1. +5
          14 March 2020 09: 44
          Quote: Insurgent
          I already wrote above - Suggest? With this material resources, help the country!

          Right now, you just need to increase the tax on lispeda. laughing
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        2. -4
          14 March 2020 10: 52
          . Suggest? Having material resources, help the country

          That is, without Deripaska’s help, no one will want to save their life?
        3. -4
          14 March 2020 10: 52
          . Suggest? Having material resources, help the country

          That is, without Deripaska’s help, no one will want to save their life?
        4. 0
          14 March 2020 11: 30
          Why would he build a mask factory, not on that scale?
          1. -5
            14 March 2020 11: 33
            Quote: Krillon
            Why would he build a mask factory, not on that scale?

            With his dough, he can easily agree with the virus fellow And you, some masks ...
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      3. +6
        14 March 2020 09: 31
        The hype is inflated by the media of course by order. It’s just for those who built the global economy that it’s now profitable for the economic world to fall apart.
        They say that kronovirus is a dangerous pandemic and the mortality rate is 10 times higher than with the flu. But there is also an opinion that most patients suffer this disease with mild symptoms and do not go to the doctors. This distorts the statistics of patients and the mortality rate.
        In addition, in my opinion, combating such infections by quarantining is like trying to block the Volga with your hands.
        1. +4
          14 March 2020 10: 06
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          most people with the disease have mild symptoms

          but the consequences will remain:
          "Patients who have recovered from the new type of coronavirus may suffer from impaired lung function and suffocation when walking fast, according to a Hong Kong hospital department."
          1. +4
            14 March 2020 10: 10
            Quote: Silvestr
            but the consequences will remain:

            Some !!! This is the key. With flu, the same thing, there are complications and consequences.
            My opinion of an amateur of course. How can an infection that is already raging !!! fellow 3 months and 130 thousand fell ill with her, and 5 out of 7 billion died !!!!! call dangerous even in comparison with the flu? I do not understand.. request
            1. +8
              14 March 2020 10: 11
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              Some !!! This is the key.

              offer roulette to your health? Nothing comes cheap and lost as fast as health
              1. +6
                14 March 2020 10: 12
                So you play with the flu every year and nothing.
                In the sense that no one declares quarantine.
                Deripaska's interest, I think, is practical.
                Most likely suffered losses on the exchanges over the past week.
                Need force majeure, that would fall to the state system.
                ps Most likely this pseudovirus is the preparation of mankind for the new Middle Ages, so that they would sit quietly in holes and wouldn’t go anywhere and not arise.
                Almost sure of that.
                1. +6
                  14 March 2020 10: 22
                  Quote: Alexey Sommer
                  So you play with the flu every year and nothing.
                  In the sense that no one declares quarantine.

                  why? Adequate leaders do, the state does not. In a flu epidemic, people are flying to pharmacies, and pharmacies are all under the roof of public health officials. The more sick, the more often to the pharmacy, the more broth. In the case of the new virus, the problem is that no one knows where it comes from, how it spreads and how to treat it. And the treatment reaches the effect if it is PATHOGENETIC. In the case of a new virus, the treatment is SYMPTOMATIC. Therefore quarantine is necessary
                  1. +4
                    14 March 2020 10: 25
                    Especially the elderly die from a cold. Do you offer quarantine?
                    Still dying of laughter. Let's ban humor and laughter.
                    And the number of deaths for these reasons in three months is probably more than from the so-called Cronovirus.
                    I am disgusted to hear about pharmacies and doctors. There are practically no aesculapians, there are managers of the pharmaceutical industry.
                    Sorry, if sharply.
                    1. +6
                      14 March 2020 10: 26
                      Quote: Alexey Sommer
                      Especially elderly people die from a cold

                      do not compare carrots with ....
                      Quote: Alexey Sommer
                      There are practically no aesculapians, there are managers of the pharmaceutical industry.

                      that's why quarantine!
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                      2. +4
                        14 March 2020 10: 28
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        that's why quarantine!

                        Forgive this argument, it seems to me completely not convincing.
                        1. +5
                          14 March 2020 10: 40
                          Quote: Alexey Sommer
                          Forgive this argument, it seems to me completely not convincing.

                          you contradict yourself
                        2. +2
                          14 March 2020 10: 41
                          Curious! What is it?
                        3. +7
                          14 March 2020 10: 46
                          Quote: Alexey Sommer
                          Curious! What is it?

                          Quote: Alexey Sommer
                          In my opinion, fighting quarantine against such infections is like trying to block the Volga with your hands.

                          и
                          Quote: Alexey Sommer
                          I am disgusted to hear about pharmacies and doctors. There are practically no aesculapians, there are managers of the pharmaceutical industry.

                          If the disease is not known and few qualified doctors, then ...
                          Quote: Silvestr
                          ... therefore quarantine!

                          No one will doubt the quarantine measures for especially dangerous infections.
                        4. 0
                          14 March 2020 10: 48
                          Who will conduct quarantine activities?)
                          Managers from the pharmaceutical industry?lol
                          So I have no contradictions. In my logic, the pike will not stick its face in. )
                        5. +7
                          14 March 2020 12: 18
                          Quote: Alexey Sommer
                          Who will conduct quarantine activities?)
                          Managers from the pharmaceutical industry?

                          To paraphrase Stalin "I have no other writers for you!" I can say that we have no other doctors. Have to put up with it request
                        6. +2
                          14 March 2020 13: 09
                          Alex, Sylvester! Let's live in peace.
                          How many were these terrible, terrifying epidemics? Swine flu killed millions of people, and bird flu killed billions.
                          And tips - put on a mask. Yesterday, on NTV, by the way, there was a wonderful program in the evening. And about the artificial excitement around this next disease, and about the speculation of drugs and masks, and about folk healers and savior.
                          The situation is enjoyed by those who really need to divert attention from really serious problems.
                        7. +4
                          14 March 2020 13: 17
                          Quote: Reserve officer
                          Let's live in peace.

                          who is against!
                          Quote: Reserve officer
                          And tips - put on a mask.

                          and don't forget to wash your hands
                          Quote: Reserve officer
                          The situation is enjoyed by those who really need to divert attention from really serious problems.

                          agree
            2. +7
              14 March 2020 10: 36
              Quote: Alexey Sommer
              3 months and 130 thousand fell ill with her, and 5 out of 7 billion died !!!!! call dangerous even in comparison with the flu? I do not understand.. request
              You are more accurate with the numbers, otherwise I don’t know who to consider myself, either lucky or an angel ... wink
        2. +4
          14 March 2020 13: 52
          Do not believe the talkers - consider for yourself.
          According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention federal agency for the period from October 1, 2019 to January 18, 2020:
          The number of cases of common flu in the United States - 15 - 000;
          The number of visits to the doctor in connection with the flu - 7 - 000;
          The number of hospitalizations - 140 - 000;
          The number of deaths due to influenza - 8 - 200.
          That is, mortality (in the worst case) of 20 thousand / 15 million ill. Or 1 case for 750 cases.
          In Italy, on March 12, there were 12500 patients and more than 1 thousand deaths from coronavirus. That is, about 1 case in 12 patients.
          So compare the odds.
          1 to 750 with normal flu and 1 to 12 with coronavirus. That more?
          Moreover, it should be noted that not all of these 12 thousand patients in Italy have already been ill, and who knows how many of them will survive. So the ratio is likely to be even worse than 1 to 12.
          This is math, the exact thing.
          1. +2
            14 March 2020 16: 00
            Quote: Beringovsky
            According to the federal agency

            Quote: Beringovsky
            1 to 750 with normal flu and 1 to 12 with coronavirus.


            You compare with each other completely different essentially numbers.

            - An estimate based on the total number of cases is generally a square horse in a vacuum. And by the way, this is not particularly hidden in the CDC, and explanations for such figures are quite sane.
            - Statistics based on those diagnosed / hospitalized gives specific figures, but they strongly depend on the dynamics and the capabilities of each specific country. That is, it does not describe the real situation either, and in the case of a "fresh" virus it does not allow making a correct assessment.
            So, the statistics and subsequent estimates for "Pandemic (H1N1) 09 Virus", which for some reason also turned out to be a surprise, only for the dead give a difference of 2 orders of magnitude (100 times, Karl!). True, this is if we take into account the completely "left" numbers from Wikipedia. But the officials also got something of order.

            - Rough estimates now give roughly the following picture compared with the flu:
            about 2 times less infectious than flu;
            by the number of hospitalized, mortality is about 2 times higher;
            there are virtually no hazard assessments due to mutations (or it is not accessible to the general public).

            Well, what is the essence of the problem, Silvestr explained best of all. I think that this is generally the most correct, clear and at the same time very brief description of the problem with coronavirus that I have encountered, and not only in VO:

            Quote: Silvestr
            In the case of the new virus, the problem is that no one knows where it comes from, how it spreads and how to treat it. And the treatment reaches the effect if it is PATHOGENETIC. In the case of a new virus, the treatment is SYMPTOMATIC. Therefore quarantine is necessary
            1. -1
              14 March 2020 23: 22
              You compare with each other completely different essentially numbers.

              So what? What is the problem, specifically? There are numbers of sick and dead on March 14 in Italy. 21 thousand and 1 thousand 440. That is, 1 to 15, how many are not divided. Moreover, only 21 thousand have recovered from these 3,5 thousand so far. That is, if the numbers change, then only for the worse. You do not want to say that all the remaining 16 thousand patients (3,5 + 1,44) will suddenly be miraculously cured?
              Rough estimates now give roughly the following picture ... mortality is about 2 times greater;

              Nonsense, complete nonsense. Where do these "estimates" come from?
              In Moscow, from July 24, 2019 to January 26, 2020, 1158 laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza were registered, and cases of influenza and SARS were more than 1,6 million. That is, if we take the ratio that we have in Italy today and divide by 2, then only half a year in Moscow should die from influenza and ARVI 50 thousand, and in a year, and all 100 thousand people.
              But this is complete nonsense! This is not close.
              1. +1
                15 March 2020 03: 30
                Quote: Beringovsky
                Nonsense, complete nonsense. Where do these "estimates" come from?


                Well, you look like sites like CDC, m. and figure out where that comes from.

                Quote: Beringovsky
                In Moscow, from July 24, 2019 to January 26, 2020, 1158 laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza were registered, and more than 1,6 million cases of influenza and SARS.


                And do you think that these 1,6 million are laboratory confirmed? Given that the whole of Moscow - "1158 laboratory confirmed cases of influenza."
                And out of 1,6 million, only those hospitalized because of the flu should be taken, and from this number did you try to calculate the mortality rate? I assure you, you will get very interesting numbers.
                About what these figures are for, a little later.

                Here are the statistics from the CDC on influenza in the USA for the season 2017-2018, and how I understand them:
                Symptomatic Illnesses 45,000,000 (as they were counted, you won’t understand without half a can)
                Medical Visits 21,000,000 (this type came with snot)
                Hospitalizations 810,000 (but this is really the flu, and everything is serious)
                Deaths 61,000 (it can't be more serious, alas)
                Taken from here:
                https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fflu%2Fabout%2Fdisease%2Fburden.htm

                Do you calculate the percentage of hospitalization? In shares, it is approximately 1 to 13.

                Quote: Beringovsky
                There are numbers of sick and dead on March 14 in Italy. 21 thousand and 1 thousand 440. That is 1 to 15,


                In fact, these figures are far from final, incomplete and are poorly comparable with the statistics I have given. But if we compare them with something in a simple way, then it would be more correct precisely with the mortality from hospitalization. You will guess why this is so? Of course, you can compare with the official 0.14%, calculated from 45 million, but this makes no sense.
                1. +2
                  15 March 2020 09: 15
                  And do you think that these 1,6 million are laboratory confirmed? Given that the whole of Moscow - "1158 laboratory confirmed cases of influenza."

                  So what? Do you want to say that about 2 thousand people a year get sick in Moscow? !!!! Seriously? belay belay belay
                  Why is this demagogy?
                  Have you ever had SARS and the flu? Your relatives, friends were not sick? Are you from the moon?
                  The vast majority of people suffer from flu and ARVI in a mild form and do not even consult a doctor, considering it unnecessary hemorrhoids. And many endure it "on their feet." This whole thing is common, everyone has been ill with it more than once, there are medications, etc. And they are hospitalized only if the disease becomes severe.
                  What is the point of taking the number of hospitalized? We must take everyone.
                  But if we compare them with something in a simple way, then it would be more correct precisely with the mortality from hospitalization. You will guess why this is so?

                  Why?
                  Why is it necessary to discard 98% of the sick in a mild form?
                  Or coronavirus also has a mild form, which the vast majority suffers from, and we do not consider them, right? Seriously?
                  1. +1
                    15 March 2020 20: 08
                    Quote: Beringovsky
                    Influenza and influenza are overwhelmingly mild


                    You are very mistaken. And now it’s clear where you got this idea about the flu.

                    With ARVI it happens in every way, but we are not talking about it at all. We talked about the flu?

                    Influenza type B - also in every way. But if the form is severe, and usually they are registered, it will not bring joy.

                    Influenza type A, which is usually more than 50% of all reported cases of influenza, also includes the most famous H1N1. The most dangerous option, from time to time turning into a pandemic form.
                    If you get sick precisely because of it, it is almost a guaranteed temperature of 39-40 C, and there is a very high probability of hospitalization if you belong to a risk group.
                    1. 0
                      15 March 2020 23: 24
                      Quote: Zaits
                      Quote: Beringovsky
                      Influenza and influenza are overwhelmingly mild


                      You are very mistaken. And now it’s clear where you got this idea about the flu.

                      Yes, indeed, and where can a person living in Russia get the idea of ​​such a rare exotic disease like flu?
                      We talked about the flu?

                      It’s not just that.
                      It's just that there are some, ahem ... comrades, so to speak, who are shamelessly manipulating numbers, trying to assure everyone that coronavirus is like that, bullshit, a little worse than ordinary flu. But you're not one of those?
                      So what will we consider, huh?
                      1. +1
                        17 March 2020 18: 00
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        Yes, indeed, and where can a person living in Russia get the idea of ​​such a rare exotic disease like flu?


                        People just don't know what they are dealing with. Even with a severe outbreak due to type A, usually no more than 1% of the population has this type per year. It is worth noting how flu is diagnosed in our country. In most cases, this is type A, which gives a temperature of 39 and higher for several days (this is our criterion), and this is about 1 in 10 cases of ARI + flu. Type B is usually mixed with other ARVIs, and it is not recorded for each specific case.

                        Here are the data for laboratory confirmation of diagnoses in the USA for 2017-18:
                        https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/54973
                        The season is interesting in that it is possible to correctly distinguish type A, and somehow compare it with Russian data. See what happens.

                        The number of confirmed diagnoses for temperature symptoms is above 37.8 and other symptoms is less than 20%. From the number of 20 million who applied with symptoms, this will amount to no more than 4 million who are really sick with flu. Type A - approximately 3 million or 1% of the total population. And this is in one of the record seasons. Those. even at this level, a person can live his whole life without ever getting the flu.

                        And now the most interesting thing is that the mortality from influenza in the USA for 2017-18 is 60 thousand (and it is precisely known that from influenza), or about 1.5% of all those who have become ill with influenza. This figure is also in good agreement with WHO data (an average of about 1%).

                        So, flu is a very dangerous thing, especially considering risk groups.

                        All other patients are SARS, not related to influenza. Although mortality is mainly from the flu. Ours honestly say ARI + flu, and Americans talk about flu symptoms. On average, overstatement every 10.
                        And here it is worth remembering that there is a rather big business on vaccination ...
                        In short, they make a fool of both us and them.

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        It’s not just that.


                        Actually, I compared the flu and the coronavirus. And he talked about the assessed characteristics of the latter (daily mortality counts from a known case of the disease are only counts that are highly dependent on the count of cases, and at first a lot of unaccounted for).

                        According to experts, in terms of mortality, they are very close to each other. And both are dangerous, but this is not the main problem.

                        The problem is that no one knows exactly what percentage of the population can get sick.
        3. 0
          14 March 2020 14: 34
          they say they say that. I don’t want to experience something, even though you may be right. I'll wait on the couch.
          very tourism services entertainment industry services will suffer. in my city there were 2 factories 3 ports - when everything died at each stop supermarkets appeared supermarkets ....
          although the raw materials economy does not depend on the crowds, but demand will fall
          and yes I’m telling them right now it’s not fashionable to shake hands - they’re offended ...
      4. +3
        14 March 2020 10: 05
        Quote: Deniska999
        Now a huge number of economic ties are being violated.

        And this, that no one knew and no one sees, but Deribaska saw. And this is a man
        Oleg Vladimirovich Deripaska built his business in the nineties thanks to connections with criminal authorities, ruinous for the state of privatization and raider seizures.
        who can teach someone something.
      5. -1
        14 March 2020 22: 45
        If one of us said something like that, would someone hear it? Well, people do not have such opportunities as this and others like them. So they would have shown themselves as philanthropists, philanthropists, why shake the air? We hear and see more how people all over the world help sick children and we don’t hear about such characters. I know about Tetyukhin, there is something to respect for and these ...
    3. +1
      14 March 2020 09: 02
      And is he still free ??? In vain on VO it PR.
      1. +2
        14 March 2020 09: 08
        Quote: Michael55
        And is he still free ??? In vain on VO it PR.

        He will grab his "portion of PR" right now Yes ...
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    4. +5
      14 March 2020 09: 02
      Yes, the level of these soothsayers is simply amazing! Where do they all go during flu outbreaks? Let me remind you that the flu epidemic in Moscow alone (for example) means that the number of cases in it exceeds 600. And this is not so rare.
      1. 0
        14 March 2020 10: 36
        Quote: Sergst
        the number of cases in it exceeds 600 people. And this is not so rare.

        There are vaccines and treatment regimens for influenza. Yes, and there are fewer flu deaths.
        1. 0
          14 March 2020 11: 18
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Quote: Sergst
          the number of cases in it exceeds 600 people. And this is not so rare.

          There are vaccines and treatment regimens for influenza. Yes, and there are fewer flu deaths.

          That's right, the mortality from the flu is less, I will say more, it doesn’t exist at all, but there are as many as you like from complications after the flu and the resulting fatalities.
      2. +2
        14 March 2020 12: 59
        Will you find 600000 lung ventilators in Maskva? Or are there no brains? Is the virus spreading because the patient is asymptomatic for the first week, but he already infects others. Or do you need to drive a nail into a Bosko to make a thought?
        1. 0
          14 March 2020 14: 09
          They all have bad brains. They are not able to simply bring the number of sick and dead from coronavirus to the number of patients with ordinary flu.
          In the world, hundreds of millions annually get the flu, while so far only 120 thousand patients with coronavirus - i.e. 5-10 thousand times less (this is for now). Well, let them multiply 5 thousand people who have already died from it by thousands by 5, or maybe 10, how much will it be? Or math skipped school?
    5. +2
      14 March 2020 09: 03
      Clever Deripaska naively believes that a rag muzzle will save him lol
      1. Fat
        +2
        14 March 2020 10: 45
        Quote: Klingon
        Clever Deripaska naively believes that a rag muzzle will save him lol

        It is quite possible that Deripaska is simply trying to sell more expensive and more "rag muzzles" and bleach and soap during the high season.
        But something goes wrong)))
    6. +2
      14 March 2020 09: 05
      The mentality is not that, the authorities are not doing it, horror, horror ....
      EVERYBODY has plunged in and will have to crawl out the whole world.
      Because it’s not the first time, like sprinkling ash on your head and tearing the last hair into ...., there is no desire at all.
      We will break through.
      1. +4
        14 March 2020 09: 18
        Quote: rocket757
        Break through

        What is left? Everyone is talking about some kind of vaccine (it's not a fact that it can be developed at all, there are "fundamental" problems there), but you will have to fight with what you have - quarantine (40 days, preferably ...) Discipline and hygiene ...
        1. +2
          14 March 2020 09: 34
          Quarantine ... always struggled with all the dangerous smells that are carried by a MAN !!! Which may even be with hell not very ill, but the carrier, the peddler of the infection is!
          One CRITICAL aspect in modern society can manifest FULL !!! We have learned how to survive on our own, we, the majority, really need help from the state, public organizations, in order to simply survive in a regime of self and other isolation!
          This is a SERIOUS TOPIC and so far we have not heard much about it! And this, many, annoying. Those who can .... think about the fact that after the losses of many, as a result of economic shocks, a problem may come up that many simply have nothing to live on!
          We are not so thrifty, but just do not have the ability to make financial and other reserves for all occasions !!!
          And such a case may occur!
        2. +1
          14 March 2020 10: 14
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          but you have to fight with what is quarantined (40 days, preferably ...) Discipline and hygiene ...

          And the main thing is not to panic and not to be hysterical, Where I live, the store shelves are already empty, though only for pasta, cereals, soups in cans, and all with carts. But what surprised me was the huge purchases of toilet paper. A friend sent to the iPhone what is happening in Germany. In general, they were frightened by "Russian aggression", and at the moment and without a single shot, the caronavirus won.
          1. +1
            14 March 2020 12: 33
            Quote: tihonmarine

            And the main thing is not to panic and not to hysteria, Where I live, already the shelves of shops are empty, though only for pasta, cereals, soups in jars, and everything with carts

            A sister from Germany writes - the shops are empty. Everyone is waiting for the terrible. Since 20, Germany will be "closed" like Italy ...
            Where are you from? In Moscow, generally SILENCE! Not a trace of panic, no one is buying anything ...
            1. +1
              14 March 2020 13: 04
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Where are you from? In Moscow, generally SILENCE!

              Silence in Moscow, this is natural, but I live in a limitrophy, which shouted that Russian aggression was coming, but the caronvirus came and won. I live in Tallinn.
              1. 0
                14 March 2020 13: 14
                Quote: tihonmarine
                I live in Tallinn

                A good place. He lived there for a year. Old Tallinn well know, good, he is a little at all. I remember the Town Hall Square. Steep cobblestone streets. Tiny cafes with delicious forest berry cakes ...
                1. 0
                  14 March 2020 13: 19
                  Quote: Mountain Shooter
                  A good place. He lived there for a year. Old Tallinn well know, good, he is a little at all.

                  The city is nice, calm and quiet. As it was before, it remains now.
        3. +2
          14 March 2020 12: 26
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          What remains? Everyone is talking about some kind of vaccine (not the fact that it can be developed at all

          Three weeks ago, Israel received five batches of virus samples from Japan, Italy and other countries. They were brought to the Institute of Biological Research by a special courier of the Ministry of Defense, who was under guard. Samples were frozen to minus 80 degrees Celsius. According to sources in the field of health and defense, with the receipt of samples at the institute, intensive work began on the creation of a vaccine, in which leading experts took part.
          The Israeli Institute for Biological Research is completing the development of a vaccine against coronavirus. According to healthcare sources, scientists have made a significant breakthrough in understanding the biological mechanism and properties of the virus, including improving the ability to diagnose, producing antibodies for those already infected with the virus, and vaccine development. The development process requires a series of tests and experiments, which can drag on for many monthsbefore vaccination is found to be effective and safe.
          1. 0
            14 March 2020 13: 31
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            The development process requires a series of trials and experiments that can drag on for many months before vaccination is recognized as effective and safe.

            A lot of work is being done, I have no doubt it will give a result. One thing is bad now, that everything will take time, and the vaccine is needed now. They may find effective anti-virus drugs before they create a vaccine. I would like to. Good luck to your scientists.
            1. 0
              14 March 2020 14: 12
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Good luck to your scientists.

              Thank you.
              Quote: tihonmarine
              One thing is bad now, that everything will take time, and the vaccine is needed now.

              Yes, it’s bad, but it takes time to verify and obtain permission to use, even if it is allowed to reduce, it will take from 12 to 14 months.
              Quote: tihonmarine
              They may find effective anti-virus drugs before they create a vaccine.

              Yes, of course, no doubt.
              One extremely difficult sick week was in an artificial coma and connected to an artificial respiration apparatus. In addition to supporting drugs, he was given a cure for ebola.
              Today he is disconnected from the devices and communicates. The second seriously ill patient received drugs for fever and also started recovering. But tonight there will be additional restrictions for residents.
              1. 0
                14 March 2020 14: 26
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                In addition to supporting drugs, he was given a cure for ebola. Today he is disconnected from the devices and communicates.
                Well done, I can’t say anything else.
                1. 0
                  14 March 2020 15: 07
                  Thank you.
                  We will all hope for the best.
                  1. +1
                    14 March 2020 15: 51
                    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                    We will all hope for the best.

                    We will be !!!
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    8. -20
      14 March 2020 09: 06
      Serf slaves should sit on the priest evenly. So the owner ordered. Soon, they’ll even ban even travel around the country. And the pretext will find the most correct. And absolutely legal.
      1. +11
        14 March 2020 09: 19
        Already sitting, scared?
        1. +3
          14 March 2020 09: 51
          Masha, just a friend wants to work remotely. Imagine a laptop, a report, a beer and no bosses nearby! wink
          1. +4
            14 March 2020 10: 03
            Vyacheslav, howdy there! love but I know ...
            Don’t stomp, don’t stomp ... even at the computer the brain should move wink
          2. +3
            14 March 2020 10: 20
            Quote: sabakina
            Imagine a laptop, a report, a beer and no bosses nearby!

            The main thing is that you don’t have to get up early, and you don’t have to go from work to work. Freebie!
            1. +4
              14 March 2020 10: 27
              Freebie!

              Sweet word! laughing
              And for free and sweet vinegar! wink
              1. 0
                14 March 2020 10: 29
                Quote: Masha
                Sweet word!
                And for free and sweet vinegar!

                How we love her dear.
                1. +4
                  14 March 2020 10: 46
                  After all, no one will refuse ... say that I'm wrong ...
        2. -2
          14 March 2020 10: 16
          He doesn’t need to ride, he works here.
      2. +5
        14 March 2020 10: 27
        you write it to Italians now. then they will be surprised at your children's sarcasm. they are already trying not to let them out of the houses at all. they sing songs on balconies so that they don’t get off the coils. call them slaves too ?! another damn comedian.
    9. +3
      14 March 2020 09: 07
      It remains to tell some "old Komsomol member" that this virus is transmitted through gas and oil pipelines, and that's it ...
      As I understand it, it is precisely transmitted through aluminum utensils. Or not, if she is already American?
      1. +6
        14 March 2020 09: 20
        Chinese ... laughing
        1. +4
          14 March 2020 09: 55
          I don’t know about Chinese. I once read that, a long time ago, military leaders on campaigns ate and drank from gold. Poisoned and died. And ordinary soldiers drank from silver, and even though henna was ...
          1. +4
            14 March 2020 10: 14
            Aluminum dishes are also poison ... you have to eat porcelain! wink
            1. 0
              14 March 2020 10: 31
              Quote: Masha
              Aluminum dishes are also poison ... you have to eat porcelain!

              It would be what to eat, but what's the difference, silver, porcelain or a luminous pot.
    10. +22
      14 March 2020 09: 08
      HIV - 100% mortality, hundreds of millions of infected, do not care. Tuberculosis - up to 20% mortality, transmission by air and contact, hundreds of millions of infected, do not care for everyone. Influenza - up to 5% mortality with poor nutrition and the absence of immune support and antibiotics for the treatment of concomitant infections, billions of infected, do not care. New unknown crap, 1.5% mortality, more than 90% of deaths or very elderly or people with immunodeficiency, that is, the risk groups for any SARS - wow, we will raise a panic ...
      1. +5
        14 March 2020 09: 23
        Quote: oleg123219307
        New unknown crap, 1.5% mortality, more than 90% of deaths or very elderly or people with immunodeficiency, that is, the risk groups for any SARS - wow, we will raise a panic ...

        It's like in that fairy tale about the "paper tiger" ... The artist drew a tiger, and so believed that he was terrible and bloodthirsty, that the tiger came to life, and devoured the artist ... They wanted to "trample" China, fanned the danger of an epidemic to the skies, reports from the front ... in the end, China coped with it, and began to catch up, and the authors of the "persecution" ALL were under attack!
      2. +3
        14 March 2020 09: 26
        Moreover, the coronovirus is not so exotic and many have suffered from it in their life, believing that they have the flu. When it was not so advertised yet.
        1. +2
          14 March 2020 11: 26
          Just shake my hand !!!!!!!
      3. +3
        14 March 2020 10: 22
        Quote: oleg123219307
        New unknown crap, 1.5% mortality,

        And that in the world every year 700 million people suffer from malaria, and 10 million of them die, they are silent about this.
      4. -4
        14 March 2020 11: 08
        The mortality rate of 1,5% is far from everywhere. Where measures were taken very late, it reaches 9%. Unlike AIDS and tuberculosis, the disease is acute and transient and, therefore, much more dangerous.
        1. +4
          14 March 2020 12: 02
          This tuberculosis is not acute ???
      5. +1
        14 March 2020 14: 08
        Quote: oleg123219307
        wow, we will raise a panic ...

        You can live with HIV for 10-20 years. It’s like cardiovascular or cancer. Inevitably. And here it goes exponentially. When was the last pandemic in the world?
        1. 0
          14 March 2020 20: 11
          They have been living on HAART for at least 50 years ... Without HAART, people with HIV live for 4-6 years. And HAART stands like an elephant. Of course, in our poor, crumbling, and generally complete evil country, therapy is free, but mostly around the world people die of HIV from the inability to buy medicines ...
    11. +6
      14 March 2020 09: 08
      Quote: Kontroler
      Quote: Hunter 2
      My mother belay - Another Herald from Medicine!
      Deripaska is a direct specialist in All Matters, a doctor is a generalist, political ...

      He also laughed heartily ... laughing Look how our oligarchy stirred.! And it makes me very happy ..

      but why? because the virus is completely on the drum who is in front of him, Deripaska or the homeless from the gateway, in this sense, the virus equalizes everyone. And in this situation, the homeless is likely to survive because he has better immunity laughing
      1. +8
        14 March 2020 09: 21
        Immunity and one hundred grams is our everything! wink and immunity to everything .... Yes
        1. +4
          14 March 2020 10: 00
          Judging by the minuses that you put, there is a limited contingent of teetotalers and ulcers on the VO. wink
          1. +5
            14 March 2020 10: 09
            Their problems.........
        2. 0
          14 March 2020 10: 23
          Quote: Masha
          Immunity and one hundred grams is our everything! and immunity to everything.

          The main thing is to eat garlic with bacon.
          1. +3
            14 March 2020 10: 30
            More garlic! laughing
      2. +1
        14 March 2020 09: 44
        Quote: Klingon
        And in this situation, the homeless is likely to survive because he has better immunity

        Yeah. They "recover" from all diseases, like flies laughing
    12. +13
      14 March 2020 09: 16
      Deripaska notes that the mentality of Russians is such that the vast majority of people are not even going to wear a mask, going to the mall or going down the subway.

      Deripaska got into medicine? wassat
      Masks make sense to wear only sick and not healthy.
      https://yandex.ru/q/question/health/kak_zashchititsia_ot_koronavirusa_6ca1f787/?answer_id=dc56350a-cb24-45e1-82ca-8004fd6ffbff
    13. +1
      14 March 2020 09: 17
      Quote: oleg123219307
      HIV - 100% mortality, hundreds of millions of infected, do not care. Tuberculosis - up to 20% mortality, transmission by air and contact, hundreds of millions of infected, do not care for everyone. Influenza - up to 5% mortality with poor nutrition and the absence of immune support and antibiotics for the treatment of concomitant infections, billions of infected, do not care. New unknown crap, 1.5% mortality, more than 90% of deaths or very elderly or people with immunodeficiency, that is, the risk groups for any SARS - wow, we will raise a panic ...

      I already wrote here somehow that the new virus for brewing with the Spanish flu pandemic from 1918-19 is nothing at all. There is clearly something else coming up. First, an economic war of striped with China, troubles with Huawei and TP ... European countries where the largest number of infected are clearly not enthusiastic about anti-Russian sanctions. In my opinion, someone urgently needed to reformat the system ..
      Exactly 100 years after the case of the Spanish flu))
      1. 0
        14 March 2020 12: 35
        The American virus "COVID-91" destroyed the USSR because its political leadership destroyed the memory of Stalin and his great deeds, and China defeated the American virus "COVID-19" because it retained the Stalinist model of the state under the leadership of the Communist Party.
      2. 0
        14 March 2020 14: 10
        Quote: Klingon
        with the Spanish flu pandemic from 1918-19

        Then, in principle, there were no antibiotics, there was unsanitary conditions, malnutrition and other delights
    14. -3
      14 March 2020 09: 19
      I, as a representative of Deripaska, to all those who put cons against.
      Now seriously. The theme again rolls into trolling. Deripaska is to blame for all the troubles of Russia. Or maybe. at least someone does not hesitate to strain their brains. After 2014, there was no recovery in production. Even products are imported from China ..
      For those who are too "smart", the Constitution has already been adopted. Voting on April 22 is formal. The constitution was quickly nullified. But its production is completely independent in any way. Remember the Soviet Union was not worried about any crises.
      1. -5
        14 March 2020 09: 30
        I, as not a representative of Deripaska, also gave you a minus for a set of stamps from a series of "propalipolymers", because I'm BORED !!!
        1. +2
          14 March 2020 10: 37
          How can something disappear? And do not make yourself a patriot. There are three patriots of Tereshkov in Russia, Volodin, who stated that everyone who is against zeroing does not like Russia. Well, the one for which they all reset.
          1. -2
            14 March 2020 18: 45
            Definitely not? And here it is:
            "On January 20, in the city of Dzerzhinsk, Nizhny Novgorod Region, the launch of the first Russian plant for import-substituting production of nano-modified polymers, LLC" OKAPOL "took place.

            The products manufactured by the plant - nano-modified polymers and new composite materials - are used in heavy and oil and gas machine building, the fuel and energy complex and even in medicine. LLC "OKAPOL" develops and manufactures modified polymer nanocomposites that are used as modifying additives in thermosets, thermoplastics, rubbers, paints, coatings, composite materials, etc. This is a world-class domestic technology - not copying what has been done abroad, but creating your own solutions. "
            1. -1
              14 March 2020 20: 13
              nanomodifiable polymers
              Well, you see how good. Chubais needs the title of Hero of Capitalist Labor.
      2. +7
        14 March 2020 09: 35
        And the virus is not so terrible as the excitement around it and the actions of those in power "on the sly"
        Quote: Gardamir
        The constitution has already been adopted.

        It remains only to fix it on April 22.
      3. Ham
        0
        14 March 2020 09: 36
        Even products are imported from China ..

        Oh my God...
      4. +1
        14 March 2020 10: 34
        Quote: Gardamir
        I, as a representative of Deripaska, to all those who put cons against.

        Well, we just have no doubt about that.
        1. -4
          14 March 2020 10: 40
          I'm happy for you, and who are you? Probably the deepest people of Putin?
      5. -3
        14 March 2020 18: 52
        "Remember the Soviet Union was not worried about any crises."
        Yes, the USSR has only left what to remember! But he did not care about any crises hi
    15. +2
      14 March 2020 09: 26
      Who is this? Great epidemiologist?
      No, this is a terry liberalist and, therefore, has already thrown a hook into the muddy waters because there is no connection between the flu and the country's stability.
      Measures, of course, need to be taken, you just need to remember that a "pandemic" is the result of the work of the media and many more people die every year in the world from common flu.
    16. -1
      14 March 2020 09: 26
      What is it, Deripaska was going to release masks? laughing
      1. +3
        14 March 2020 10: 02
        Yeah. And papamobiles. To each. laughing
        1. 0
          14 March 2020 10: 36
          Quote: sabakina
          Yeah. And papamobiles. To each.

          Let him not forget about "diapers".
          1. 0
            14 March 2020 13: 10
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Let him not forget about "diapers".

            Busy Americans release pampers from us.
        2. Fat
          +1
          14 March 2020 11: 31
          Quote: sabakina
          Yeah. And papamobiles. To each. laughing

          three times they burn a bundle of tow with the words Sancte Pater, sic transit gloria mundi (Holy Father, this is the glory of the earth), after which everyone is transported around the city ... To the deli and back .... Presented ...))))
      2. +4
        14 March 2020 12: 37
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        masks

    17. +7
      14 March 2020 09: 35
      For example, I go to work across the Moscow metro: getting into a carriage on the terminal of one branch, collect the entire infection, and transferring to another, I already manage to deal with it until I reach the terminal station of another branch. And then, to whom it is not enough, also in the train ...
      I spend 1 hour 45 minutes every day on the road. Could drive a car. In the morning, the road takes only 50 minutes without traffic jams, and the same 1,5-2 hours back, and there are not so many people at gas stations, you can go in with a mask.
      There is one problem! I’m not Deripaska and it’s very expensive for me to spend money on gas, driving 80-90km every day ((((I tried it many times, but I don’t pull it financially stupidly
      1. +2
        14 March 2020 10: 40
        Quote: Bshkaus
        I spend 1 hour 45 minutes every day on the road.

        This is not enough for Moscow. I go to work in the "millionaire" for 40 minutes, from work 1 hour. The same, (although there are fewer people on the buses than in Moscow every 10 times)
        1. -2
          14 March 2020 14: 46
          For Moscow, this is a lot, if on average.
          For those who live in the suburbs, and work in Moscow, probably a common thing.
    18. Ham
      +3
      14 March 2020 09: 35
      Deripaska primarily drives for his income ...
    19. 0
      14 March 2020 09: 38
      There is a virus! But first of all, in the heads of people and on the ears in the form of noodles (Chinese noodles). laughing
    20. +8
      14 March 2020 09: 41
      Quote: Servisinzhener
      Moreover, the coronovirus is not so exotic and many have suffered from it in their life, believing that they have the flu. When it was not so advertised yet.

      but I do not agree! what makes a person sick with the flu? lies at home and swallows certain medications. and trying to stay away from family and friends. So? and what makes a person ill with this coronovirus? collects suitcases and dangles around the world. conclusion - coronovirus affects the brain and subjugates the carrier)))
      1. 0
        14 March 2020 14: 54
        Quote: Skarpzd
        collects suitcases and dangles around the world. conclusion - coronovirus infects the brain and subjugates the host

        That's right, why wander around the world, you will pick up a coronavirus there, and hundreds of other diseases that we did not have. Stay at home, have a beer in the evenings and watch the "stupid box", there will be less problems.
    21. +3
      14 March 2020 09: 44
      Deripaska notes that the mentality of Russians is such that the vast majority of people are not even going to wear a mask,

      About masks is especially funny. A normal state should provide state institutions, hospitals, schools, institutes with masks, all without exception. Issue them at the entrance for free, like shoe covers and then into the trash. And we do not have masks in any city pharmacy, they simply stopped selling. So this is the mentality of Russians or individual politicians and businessmen :?
      1. +6
        14 March 2020 10: 00
        I want to add for minusers that such measures are only for a large-scale epidemic. In China, entire hospitals are built in a few days. To increase the production of masks and give them out for free are real tasks, not Wishlist from the sky.
    22. +5
      14 March 2020 09: 48
      "Deripaska: For the Russian authorities, the coronavirus may become more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991"
      Alarmists - on the battlefield, they, having sowed panic, deprive the unit of combat effectiveness, make other soldiers cowards and deserters.
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      1. +3
        14 March 2020 09: 59
        XXXXXX only consider money, and here the whole prophet.

        Let’s start, you learn not to offend people of other nationalities, and only after that, start writing comments?
        1. +2
          14 March 2020 14: 59
          Quote: Bshkaus
          For starters, let's learn not to offend people of other nationalities.

          To insult people can only or people with a reduced development potential, or Natsik, for a normal person this is nonsense.
    25. +11
      14 March 2020 09: 55
      I won’t talk about the virus itself, because it’s not a doctor. But what I see in Europe is simply economic psychiatry. All messages are blocked, borders are either closed or closed. We specifically introduced something similar to martial law and EVERYTHING is closed, except for food shops, pharmacies and petrol stations. The government has the right to pass laws in 5 minutes and without the approval of Parliament. The fine for violation of the epidemiological rules is 25000 euros and 5 years in prison.

      Actually, this year the world economy came on a date to the fluffy animal. Shchaty that night announced their (but I don't know how it is in Russian "izvnredno position") extraordinary position and closed the borders. Even if China restores its economy, there will be no one to sell it to Europe or Shtakh.

      So you want it or not, but this bacchanalia with the virus will affect both your economy and not the plus side.
      1. +1
        14 March 2020 15: 07
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        So you want it or not, but this bacchanalia with the virus will affect both your economy and not the plus side.

        We are easier than yours, and so far there are no fines. The restrictions of various gatherings of up to 100 people, even covered the concert of Kirkorov, on the buses the front doors are closed, and the front seats are fenced off with a tape. The ban on cruise ships (there’s nothing to fool around the world about), but thanks to the OBS agency, cereals, pasta, cans of soups disappear from store shelves at the moment, and it’s not clear why toilet paper.
    26. +13
      14 March 2020 09: 56
      And also about coronavirus and all these preventive measures, some of which are simple PROFANATION:
      I am now ill myself, I went to the doctor yesterday, the temperature is 38,5, in the clinic for "such" they even organized a separate entrance with signs just like in the elections)))).
      I’m like an honest fraer, right into a separate entrance, and there ... The average nurse "Aunt Klava", who gazed at me, "what are you doing here?" declares that I first go to the main entrance, and when they measure my temperature there, if it is high, then back (my words mean it is not enough for me, I have nothing to do, how to think that I have a temperature).
      Well, okay, I'm not proud, I go to the main entrance, measure my forehead with an electronic thermometer, I sarcastically ask "how much", the answer is: "36,9 physiological norm" I did not become offended not a nurse, what to take from her? but he thought deeply. In fact, I came from the street, it is cold there, and they measure the temperature on the open part of the body, the forehead, in fact, a porous bone with good thermal insulation properties. Naturally, the limbs and some poorly nourished parts of the body can have a low temperature, even if it is very high.
      The second nurse turned out to be more intelligent (again, a human factor), having received an answer to the question "what are you complaining about" when registering with the doctor on duty, immediately darted somewhere, and then redirected to another office without queuing.
      At the doctor for 5 minutes measured 37,8.
      On the way back in the elevator, I stumbled upon the head doctor, well, while I was driving to him, by chance:
      "Hello, do you know that your temperature control does not work at all? Do you have a method for measuring temperature with electronic thermometers and generally recognized standards corrected for measurement points ?, but we have a head-on result, but project it onto the axillary?"
      For a long time we still talked in the corridor, I was amazed by his logic "the thermometers are certified, and what they show there is no longer our business, we still cannot plant and die under our arm ..."
      True, we must pay tribute, he eventually agreed that everything they measure is complete garbage))))
      1. +2
        14 March 2020 10: 43
        Yes bullshit.
        But even the head physician is not able to go against the established methodology. Happen that
        they will point out arbitrariness to him. So they’ll write down in the protocol - he was not treating according to the charter. Prove later ...
        And there are no resources for old-mode treatment.
        But this is already a problem of medicine as a whole. "36,9 physiological norm" is already a consequence.
        1. +1
          14 March 2020 10: 59
          But this is a problem of medicine in general.

          Yes, we unfortunately seem to have a lot of such problems.
          When I was developing one of the medical techniques, one of our strict "requirements" was the oxygen content in the undermask space at the level of 90-95%. (they wanted to amaze with the breadth of scope) It would seem, give pure oxygen and here's your happiness.
          Only everything turned out to be not so simple: we bought various medical masks "with a high oxygen concentration" (they are marked like that), connected a mass spectrometer to it to determine the gas composition, turned on pure oxygen and ... at best, 75% oxygen at a consumption of more 20 liters per minute (waste)!
          And the reason is that the mask is unified, the anatomy of the face is different for everyone, so oxygen is etched through all the cracks in a row. No one will "adjust" the mask for each patient, and even more so, produce 3-4 sizes.
          For example, when adjusting the mask for the pilot, they check it this way: all the valves are closed, and he should blow out all his strength, if at least somewhere etches along the obturator line, they regulate further, and the mask keeps the excess pressure at least 1000mm water column.
          It turns out that all methods of treating diseases imply that oxygen enters the lungs "pure", but in fact, everything is not at all like that. And to admit that these masks do not meet the requirements - this is considered to hack to death all modern medicine, no one will go for it.
    27. +5
      14 March 2020 09: 56
      We open the British contract law, the force majeure section. In the first place there is a war, and then voila a pandemic. That's all you need to know about this virus and why this hype spreads.
    28. -2
      14 March 2020 09: 57
      Oleg Deripaska is the founder of Basic Element, a diversified industrial group with assets in Russia and abroad. The “Basic Element” is represented in all key industries: engineering, energy, mining and metallurgy, financial services, construction, aviation, agribusiness and others. About 200 thousand people work at group enterprises in Russia, the CIS countries, Africa, Australia, Asia, Europe and Latin America.
      =====================
      I don’t know how honest he is (in business), but looking at his photo - an open smile and a smart look.
      1. 0
        14 March 2020 15: 13
        Quote: primaala
        I don’t know how honest he is (in business), but looking at his photo - an open smile and a smart look.

        Never believe a smiling person with a smart look, these are the most dangerous individuals.
        1. -3
          14 March 2020 15: 39
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: primaala
          I don’t know how honest he is (in business), but looking at his photo - an open smile and a smart look.

          Never believe a smiling person with a smart look, these are the most dangerous individuals.

          I am reading you with interest. I listen. As for the "face", I am often right. (making a conclusion).
          Facial expressions "speaks" about a lot. About a human. Even by "writing" it is easy to understand what a person is.
          1. +2
            14 March 2020 15: 55
            Quote: primaala
            Facial expressions "speaks" about a lot.

            Facial expressions are more deceiving than hands. In general, when you see a person and you’re talking, then you will feel right away. A photo of this will not show, but even more so the picture.
            1. 0
              15 March 2020 15: 29
              Lomboso's theory is rejected as unconfirmed.
    29. +8
      14 March 2020 10: 01
      In his Telegram channel, Deripaska proposes to introduce quarantine for a period of 2 months and adds that the consequences of the spread of coronavirus for the Russian authorities can be even more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991.


      Another alarmist or beneficiary?
    30. +10
      14 March 2020 10: 01
      Deripaska notes that the mentality of Russians is such that the vast majority of people are not even going to wear a mask, going to the mall or going down the subway.

      You are wrong, Deripaska. Do not wear the "mentality". Personally, now, before watching TV or going online, I must wear a mask! "Coronavirus" from there climbs into all the cracks. crying negative
      Who is the winner? Who organized? I do not know. But pharmacists and the media are clearly not a loser.
    31. +12
      14 March 2020 10: 04
      I defend myself from coronavirus by portraits of Putin, Tereshkova and Chubais.
      While helping
      1. -2
        14 March 2020 10: 19
        Quote: Million
        I defend myself from coronavirus by portraits of Putin, Tereshkova and Chubais.
        While helping

        laughing good you won’t say that you believe ..
        1. -3
          14 March 2020 10: 27
          So nothing more ... except that garlic and moonshine yet)
          1. +1
            14 March 2020 15: 18
            Quote: Million
            Nothing more ... except for garlic and moonshine

            I’ll go to my homeland, climb into a "hut" a hundred kilometers from the settlements, take five bags of cereal and five bags of sugar, enough for three months.
        2. +7
          14 March 2020 10: 52
          Million (Vlad): I defend myself from coronavirus portraits of Putin, Tereshkovoy and Chubais. While helping

          Have you put an oil lamp in front of the portraits? what It is important to comply with all the rules. The portrait of Putin should be large, y, Tereshkova smaller at Chubais, naturally nanoportrait: smile
          1. +3
            14 March 2020 12: 37
            Chubais naturally nano-portrait


            Hahahahh .... nanoportrait .... oh tears of laughter ....
      2. +2
        14 March 2020 10: 29
        A reliable recipe, it helps well from zombies, ghouls, etc. laughing
      3. +9
        14 March 2020 22: 22
        Quote: Million
        I defend myself from coronavirus portraits of Putin, Tereshkovoy and Chubais. While it helps

        that the infection does not stick to the infection?
    32. 0
      14 March 2020 10: 04
      The star from medicine, b ...
    33. 0
      14 March 2020 10: 10
      It would be nice if this crook also got sick and covered himself. good
    34. +4
      14 March 2020 10: 20
      . In his Telegram channel, Deripaska suggests quarantine for 2 months and adds that the consequences of the spread of coronavirus for the Russian authorities may be even more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991.
      in turn, I suggest Deripaska, for escalating the panic ... flogging for two months with a video broadcast on his Telegram channel
    35. -1
      14 March 2020 10: 23
      The oligarchs in our country can push projects like emobiles or advise how to live in a wretched population, selling aluminum nickel oil gas coal over the hill. Not investing a penny in the country.
      And if any pandemic situation occurs on average up to a million people in a city, so why do something. It is not economically feasible.
    36. +5
      14 March 2020 10: 23
      Hysteria is the main symptom of this coronavirus. A friend of mine in Canada said that over the past three days they had swept away everything from the shops, schools and kindergartens were closed until April 5, taxi drivers stopped putting all people of Asian appearance in a taxi. The media and we are pumped with these horror stories. Now the great Deripaska has joined the "experts". The Russians recorded in the D.E.B.I.L.O.V. And we didn’t know that we had to wash our hands after the street and maintain our immunity - and this is essentially all the recommendations against the coronavirus. After crises, money exchange, ruble falls, wars and house-2, nothing can take us. Let this thief remember!
    37. 0
      14 March 2020 10: 26
      Thought it was more reasonable
    38. +1
      14 March 2020 10: 27
      I visited three pharmacies, looked for drugs for mother-in-law, drew attention to the fact that in these pharmacies there was no sale of medical masks. I don’t know how the rest of them seemed like a hundred, but these three masks weren’t.
      1. -1
        14 March 2020 10: 32
        Quote: O. Bender
        I visited three pharmacies, looked for drugs for mother-in-law, drew attention to the fact that in these pharmacies there was no sale of medical masks. I don’t know how the rest of them seemed like a hundred, but these three masks weren’t.

        ======================
        We also have NO masks !!! Doctor A. Myasnikov said: "Masks do not save."
        Fewer contacts ...
        1. -1
          14 March 2020 10: 38
          Yes, actually, personally, I didn’t drive about masks, maybe in vain? For prevention 150, under a herring and beetroot with garlic.
          1. 0
            14 March 2020 15: 27
            Quote: O. Bender
            Yes, actually, personally, about masks I did not drive, maybe in vain?

            The old gas mask will go too, I already found myself.
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      3. +1
        14 March 2020 12: 49
        O. Bender (Alexander): no masks. Chesha turnips.

        Greetings, Alexander hi
        Maybe this video will be useful to you
    39. +3
      14 March 2020 10: 34
      Why didn't he care about the Motherland and the standard of living of people 3-4 years ago? Has caught on when "all overpriced" "partners" Anglo-Saxons "squeezed", when betrayed and sold the country was not up to the despised class? And the way they have their adored "gurus", the celestials of the overseas Olympus, where they all aspired, at least to stand in the hallway, showing with their kitsch and antics, that we are the same as you, let the shoe lick, those showing them where "they turned out their pockets" and made me thank you for it. So after that, humiliated, beaten, such "effective managers" immediately, with their tail between their legs and whimpering, remember the country and the people who despised and robbed, at the expense of which they were stupid from easy money, immediately suddenly remember their Motherland and are imbued with compassion and care for the people , who so recently only betrayed, immediately become great specialists, analysts in all social and political issues.
    40. 0
      14 March 2020 10: 36
      Premiert Borisov has been bleeding merkite, koito Bulgaria has not undertaken to get rid of the coronavirus and put an inquiry and we will buy respirators from Rusia, which is also important for the treatment of a patient with coronavirus. Translation - Prime Minister Boyko Borisov held a telephone conversation with the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin. Both discussed the spread of the COVID-19 virus. Prime Minister Borisov noted the measures that Bulgaria has taken the coronavirus decision and raised the issue of buying respirators from Russia, which are extremely important for the treatment of patients with coronavirus. "Brothers" woke up laughing
    41. +5
      14 March 2020 10: 39
      Coronavirus, in my opinion - a bloated information bubble.
      Or we don’t know something about him - side complications, etc. etc.
    42. +1
      14 March 2020 10: 39
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      What is it, Deripaska was going to release masks? laughing

      I remember this "children's masks - Turanchoks, fresh air - Turanchoks"
      there are those who profit from global disasters
    43. -1
      14 March 2020 10: 45
      Deripaska: For the Russian authorities, the coronavirus may become more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991

      Some kind of strange tendency to allow obviously unpopular people to form public opinion. Russia can survive the coronavirus, but Sechino-Novakov’s “showers,” slamming the door at an OPEC meeting and “pouting” lips of the guarantor and ignoring the calls of the Saudi prince could result in an economic collapse. And neither the NWF, nor the assurances of the “nullified” president, or the infusion of Russian (according to Fores) oligarchs into the economy will help here. Ambitions amid industrial weakness and massive food purchases abroad to a weakened Russian ruble can quickly develop into a flirtation with the oil-rich. If someone does not know, 50% of Russian oil (more precisely 50% - 1 share) does not belong to us. And even the “storyteller” itself cannot give any guarantees to OPEC to reduce or increase oil production. That is why he will unquestioningly carry out everything related to the oil contribution to the Russian budget.
      In his Telegram channel, Deripaska proposes to introduce quarantine for a period of 2 months and adds that the consequences of the spread of coronavirus for the Russian authorities can be even more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991.

      The only quarantine that can help Russia is the nationalization of raw materials and natural resources and the prohibition to private individuals of selling these sources for foreign currency as the basis for “the life and work of peoples living in the corresponding territory.”
      If Chubais was able to introduce gaskets in the form of energy sales companies for reselling electricity on the domestic market, why would the Russian authorities not introduce government people in the sale of other resources on the foreign market?
      1. 0
        14 March 2020 15: 31
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Some kind of strange tendency to allow obviously unpopular people to form public opinion.

        And the question to all of them is "What have you done to fight the caronavirus?"
      2. +1
        14 March 2020 15: 41
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Some strange tendency to allow obviously unpopular people to form public opinion

        It's funny You yourself write everything you see fit. And Deri ... okay, Pasque - it turns out, no way request

        Either these are double standards, or already signs of a split personality ... wink
    44. +1
      14 March 2020 10: 45
      Deripaska from Washington met ... They asked me to facilitate the introduction of quarantine. And as a thank you they will remove the sanctions from him. How shameful it looks. And it smells bad ... And the funny thing is that they will not be removed, but used as a product # ...
    45. +3
      14 March 2020 10: 53
      This business creature managed to profkuyut in favor of the Americans, as the last idiot, and he scammed that he had previously stolen from the people, who put a lot of lives and a huge amount of energy to raise this industry. But in medicine, it knows a lot.
    46. 0
      14 March 2020 10: 53
      Ah trouble ..... take money where ... laughing
    47. +5
      14 March 2020 10: 56
      Come on, burn the Deripaska! You yourself will be ready to pay your salaries to your employees who will sit in quarantine for 3 weeks. And those who go out will have to change masks every 2 hours and wash their hands and wash with soap every hour (which still does not guarantee security). Hoopoe wants to provoke a state collapse amid global poverty and falling production! It is universal hysteria, quarantine and the subsequent poverty of the population that will lead us to the state of the 90s.
    48. 0
      14 March 2020 10: 57
      These deffective managers have already gotten, the best thing is to bring these creatures together and put them on the wall
    49. +3
      14 March 2020 10: 58
      Coronavirus infected in Russia
      Moscow Infected 25 Dead 0
      Saint Petersburg 5 - dead 0

      Moscow region 4 - dead 0
      Lipetsk 3 - 0 dead
      Kaliningrad 3 - died 0
      Kazan* 3- dead 0
      Leningrad region 2- dead 0
      Tyumen region 1- 0 dead
      Nizhny Novgorod 1 - dead 0
      Belgorod 1- dead 0
      Trans-Baikal Territory 1 - dead 0
      Krasnodar Territory 1- 0 dead
      Perm region 1- 0 dead
      Chukotka Autonomous Okrug 1 - 0 deaths https://coronavirus-online.ru/
    50. 0
      14 March 2020 11: 16
      Personally, I get the impression that with the help of ordinary flu they are again trying to solve their financial and political problems.
    51. -1
      14 March 2020 11: 36
      The idea of ​​a clean war, when after a strike you only need to dispose of the corpses of enemies (both military and the population) and then freely use resources, has long been in the minds of strategists. Here are two reports by Russian military biologists. The first, from October 2018, focuses on the activities of US military biologists in Georgia, and the second, from December 2019, gives a general overview.

      Below are the projects we worked on in Georgia.

      1. Project to study the epidemiology of dengue virus and other arboviruses in Georgia (31.10.2013/11.10.2018/702 – 343/XNUMX/XNUMX) Customer – US Army Research Institute named after. W. Reed Project budget – $ XNUMX

      Dengue virus, Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever virus, West Nile virus, tick-borne encephalitis virus, Chikungunya virus

      2. Project to study a variety of atypical plague (01.09.2017/31.08.2018/134 – 090/XNUMX/XNUMX) Customer – Threat Reduction Office of the US Department of Defense Project budget – $ XNUMX

      Plague agent

      3. Molecular Biological Research Project (16.08.2017/15.08.2021/518 – 409/XNUMX/XNUMX) Customer – Threat Reduction Office of the US Department of Defense Project budget – $ XNUMX

      Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever virus, causative agents of hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome

      4. Project to develop technologies for indicating zoonotic poxvirus infections (01.11.2015/31.10.2018/612 – 514/XNUMX/XNUMX) Customer – Threat Reduction Office of the US Department of Defense Project budget – $ XNUMX

      Pathogens of zoonotic poxvirus infections (cowpox, mousepox)
    52. 0
      14 March 2020 11: 40
      [quote=bessmertniy]For those who died in Italy from the coronavirus, statistics were given that among those who became ill, death was mainly among people 60 years of age and older. Deaths between the ages of 50 and 60 were only 0,1% of the cases. This is less than the usual flu[/qu
      Another point: a third of the Italian population is over 65 years old
      1. 0
        14 March 2020 15: 35
        Quote: vnord
        Another point: a third of the Italian population is over 65 years old

        Well, you made Valery happy, I’m already over 65 years old, I’ll go out of grief and buy a bottle.
    53. -1
      14 March 2020 11: 41
      By the way, during the war with Japan, the United States trained bats to attack Japanese cities. According to the idea, the mice were supposed to be released, they would fly to residential buildings and somehow set them on fire.

      But during the exercises, the mice flew to American houses). And they started a big fire. They confused educational houses with real ones. laughingWuhan has its own laboratory and an entire institute - Wuhan Institute Of Virology since the middle of the last century. So the issue of “disposing of the monkey” through the local market is not canceled.
    54. -5
      14 March 2020 11: 47
      By his inaction, Putin is killing his own electorate; the elderly and uneducated middle-aged people will die first.
    55. 0
      14 March 2020 12: 00
      The situation with the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus in the world may stabilize by June-July, said Alexander Shestopalov, head of the department of experimental modeling and pathogenesis of infectious diseases at the Federal Research Center for Basic and Translational Medicine. The scientist noted that, judging by the data on morbidity and mortality, the new virus 10-15 times less pathogenic than the coronaviruses that caused the SARS epidemic in 2002-2003 and the Middle East respiratory syndrome in 2012-2015. These viruses (coronaviruses) are always present, even in the usual structure of ARVI there are always two Human Coronavirus , accordingly, another one may appear,” he noted, adding that in the situation with COVID-19, “there is approximately 50% panic.”
    56. 0
      14 March 2020 12: 06
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Quote: Insurgent
      I already wrote above - Suggest? With this material resources, help the country!

      Right now, you just need to increase the tax on lispeda. laughing

      Progressive - depending on the number of spokes on the wheel...
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    58. ZVS
      -12
      14 March 2020 12: 11
      The only smart person in the upper echelons who cares about Russia. For the rest of the political elite, the main thing is the Constitution and zeroing out. They don’t think that Russia is huge and the regions cannot be quarantined, as they do in Europe.
      1. +5
        14 March 2020 12: 22
        Quote: SU
        The only smart representative of the upper echelons

        Derirybka - “a representative of the upper echelons of the Russian Federation”? belay

        Yeah winked laughing
        1. +1
          14 March 2020 15: 40
          Quote: Golovan Jack

          Derirybka - “a representative of the upper echelons of the Russian Federation”?

          Yeah

          hi Jack. Nothing has happened yet, but there is already panic at VO! wink
          1. +1
            14 March 2020 15: 46
            Quote: Tank Hard
            there is already panic at VO

            In my opinion, some of the local contingent specializes in inducing panic. The names are known wink
            1. +2
              14 March 2020 15: 49
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              In my opinion, some of the local contingent specializes in inducing panic

              Of course, it’s not enough to launch a virus, you also need to sow panic. feel
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              The names are known

              Their name is Legion. wink hi
        2. 0
          14 March 2020 15: 40
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Derirybka - “a representative of the upper echelons of the Russian Federation”?
          Yeah
          More like in power, but of a different color."
          1. +1
            14 March 2020 15: 52
            Quote: tihonmarine
            in power, but from a different suit

            Quote: Anecdote, Petka and Vasil Ivanovich
            “There’s a fire burning on the mountain, I wanted your sisters.”
            - So then it’s not true!
            - But in rhyme!

            Here you have it too... in rhyme Yes
            1. +1
              14 March 2020 16: 24
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Here you have it too... in rhyme

              Yes, this is not a rhyme, this is the reality of power.
              1. -2
                14 March 2020 16: 27
                Quote: tihonmarine
                this is the reality of power

                This is the horse Spirology. Nothing request
                1. +2
                  14 March 2020 17: 11
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Some of the local contingent specializes in inducing panic. The names are known

                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  horse spyrology

                  But everything is in business. Not a damn thing changes. request
                  Roma drinks
                  1. 0
                    14 March 2020 17: 12
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    But everything is in business. Not a damn thing changes.

                    That's for sure. Hello hi
                    1. +2
                      14 March 2020 17: 14
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      This is exactly

                      I need to remove the plate Business for three days And with this panic you will get under time.... in the sense of quarantine So I’m thinking what to do what
    59. 0
      14 March 2020 12: 28
      Judging by the symptoms of the people around me, in Siberia we have already had the coronavirus for the third time, and nothing, no one is panicking, maybe we’ve already gotten used to it? wassat
    60. +3
      14 March 2020 12: 32
      Quote: SU
      The only smart person in the upper echelons who cares about Russia. For the rest of the political elite, the main thing is the Constitution and zeroing out. They don’t think that Russia is huge and the regions cannot be quarantined, as they do in Europe.

      Where did he do something or work? belay
      1. ZVS
        -4
        14 March 2020 15: 02
        Well, you’ll never do something like that, you won’t have enough strength.
    61. -1
      14 March 2020 12: 34
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      I won’t talk about the virus itself, because it’s not a doctor. But what I see in Europe is simply economic psychiatry. All messages are blocked, borders are either closed or closed. We specifically introduced something similar to martial law and EVERYTHING is closed, except for food shops, pharmacies and petrol stations. The government has the right to pass laws in 5 minutes and without the approval of Parliament. The fine for violation of the epidemiological rules is 25000 euros and 5 years in prison.

      Actually, this year the world economy came on a date to the fluffy animal. Shchaty that night announced their (but I don't know how it is in Russian "izvnredno position") extraordinary position and closed the borders. Even if China restores its economy, there will be no one to sell it to Europe or Shtakh.

      So you want it or not, but this bacchanalia with the virus will affect both your economy and not the plus side.

      That McDonald's will close? laughing
    62. 0
      14 March 2020 12: 38
      Quote: Hunter 2
      My mother belay - Another Herald from Medicine!
      Deripaska is a direct specialist in All Matters, a doctor is a generalist, political ...
      No, this is the herald of Tanya Dyachenko, the “Family,” after all, they own much more than “dear friends” and our country’s main market.
    63. 0
      14 March 2020 12: 53
      It’s hard to imagine something more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991, but definitely not the coronavirus. Like an economic crisis, everyone becomes economists with their forecasts. Then there’s the coronavirus and they are already doctors with forecasts.
    64. 0
      14 March 2020 12: 57
      Just the day before yesterday, Putin said that businessmen now do not meddle in politics and government. Maybe Deripaska doesn’t watch the President’s interview? Or does he consider himself smarter than everyone else?
    65. -2
      14 March 2020 13: 06
      He opened his mouth, oligarchic... probably from the Family...
    66. -4
      14 March 2020 13: 21
      Deripaska is right in one thing - Western sanctions against Russia in the context of the virus pandemic were automatically reset, since Europe and America themselves stopped industrial production due to workers being sent home on paid/unpaid leave.

      They also introduce a ban on the movement of troops from places of permanent deployment, the entry of ships into foreign ports and the landing of aircraft at foreign airfields.

      It's time to restore the Russian state within the borders of 1914 bully
    67. 0
      14 March 2020 13: 31
      Deripaska: For the Russian authorities, the coronavirus may become more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991

      Izzy - yes you are driving)))))
    68. 0
      14 March 2020 13: 59
      Underline the correct answer: 1) Deripaska is an expert virologist; 2) There is no medicine in the state; 3) The state is Deripaska.
      1. +1
        14 March 2020 14: 08
        Quote: iouris
        Underline the correct answer

        There is nothing to emphasize here. Correct answer: Deripaska is catching the hype. And "Yuris" too Yes
    69. -1
      14 March 2020 15: 08
      Quote: SU
      Well, you’ll never do something like that, you won’t have enough strength.

      Apparently you have enough, and remove the coat of arms of the USSR, don’t be a disgrace - professor laughing
    70. 0
      14 March 2020 15: 33
      Quote: Pilat2009
      Quote: Sergst
      the number of cases in it exceeds 600 people. And this is not so rare.

      There are vaccines and treatment regimens for influenza. Yes, and there are fewer flu deaths.

      There is a vaccine, I don’t argue, but it does not cure those who are sick, it only reduces the number of those infected. Mortality, too, yes, is usually less, and there are orders of magnitude (!) more people getting the flu. Accordingly, the chances of dying from “ordinary” flu or measles are much greater than from the current coronavirus or the ever-memorable Ebola.
    71. 0
      14 March 2020 15: 49
      It was he who asked for money from the treasury to save the people of Russia.
    72. +1
      14 March 2020 15: 52
      It has already been said a thousand times that a mask is an idiocy that protects who knows who and from what. Well, a piece of gauze cannot protect against a virus, due to the fact that for a virus, gauze is the same size as a football field for a person...
      And the mentality needs to be looked for in the sheep, who purposefully go to where the outbreaks of the virus are, without listening to anyone. Still, they suddenly got tired and decided to rest... And then they rush back, spreading the infection away.
      Stubbornness is what you need to fight
    73. 0
      14 March 2020 17: 26
      Another Chief Sanitary Doctor of Russia.
    74. 0
      14 March 2020 18: 53
      Something is bothering me again, like with luminium cans... He did a better job with “Black Boomer” than making predictions
    75. 0
      14 March 2020 18: 57
      Holding a nationwide vote to reset the GDP deadline could lead to a surge in virus cases.
    76. +1
      14 March 2020 19: 18
      Quote: Cottodraton
      Well, a piece of gauze cannot protect against the virus,

      The virus does not fly out of the patient’s body on its own; it is found in mucus particles (epithelium, secretions, remains of destroyed cells), which are scattered when sneezing and coughing. But these mucus particles are retained by the mask.
      The virus can also penetrate through the mucous membrane of the eyes; protective glasses are recommended.
    77. 0
      14 March 2020 19: 45
      I wonder why only for Russia?
      Deripasko is pumping up.
    78. 0
      14 March 2020 21: 14
      America has deprived us of everything, let’s engage in demagoguery.
    79. 0
      14 March 2020 21: 44
      Deripaska is already a household name.
    80. -1
      15 March 2020 00: 01
      I looked at the comments and realized how many stupid people there are.
      About the virus - I spoke with a person who understands viruses.
      Virologists are amazed - such an aggressive virus has never appeared in the lifetime of current generations.
      Doctors are calm because they don’t yet understand the consequences - as soon as they begin to understand, they are also shocked.
      As one doctor from Italy wrote, listening to Trump’s words is like listening to the words of the characters in a familiar horror movie with the offer to “take a walk through that dark basement ...”.
      Oleg Deripaska added many different links in the telegram, in particular to an article with detailed explanations on Habré...
      The conclusions there are simple:
      Data on those infected during the initial rise are underestimated.
      There are different methods of calculation, but in general, if today in Italy they talk about 20 thousand infected and 175 dead, then the real figure may be closer to 100 thousand.
      The actual mortality figures depend on the smoothness of the numbers infected through quarantine, and if in Wuhan (as in Italy) it is about 3.5-4%, then in the rest of China it is 0.5-0.8%.
      (Especially for smart people who don’t believe in these numbers - the real figure will only be after the cure or death of all those infected. Now there is a shift in the peaks of those infected/died/recovered - in general, on Habr...).
      The difference in mortality is due to hospital overload.
      The most effective method of therapy is not ventilation, but ECMO direct enrichment of blood with oxygen. China managed to apply it quite widely. In the States a few years ago there were only a few hundred ECMO devices - that is, enough for 100 thousand simultaneous patients (with 1 percent of severe cases) - but there will be millions...
      Those. It’s like in a war - the doctor decides who to help and who to leave to die.
      Regarding the words of stupid people - “just think, another epidemic.”
      This virus is an order of magnitude more deadly than the regular flu and is transmitted just as easily...
      HIV - now the survival time for infection in developed countries is the same as for an uninfected person.
      With HIV, a woman will give birth to a healthy child with proper therapy (even in Russia they provide this).
      Ebola is not airborne.
      SARS and SARS were not transmitted so easily through the air.
      This virus is similar to the Spanish flu - at the beginning of the last century, from 20 to 60 million people died (some say about 100). So there were fewer people then, and there was no air traffic.
      How many could die in Russia in an unfavorable scenario, hundreds of thousands... more?
      Plus an even larger number with residual lung damage and sterility in men....
      As the same article on Habré shows, using the Spanish Flu numbers as an example, the most effective way is total quarantine. This can be seen in the example of China; mortality during quarantine can be reduced by 5-10 times.
      And Oleg, just like an Italian doctor now, he had encountered this before - at one of RusAl’s enterprises in Africa during the Ebola epidemic...
      He says that when the epidemic is over, people MAY ask the authorities why they did not prevent some of the deaths, although they could have done so.
      Although, I think, the authorities don’t care, they care about voting and the Victory Parade...
      And those who are now being clever, when their relatives die, what will they say?
      Although... such people always consider themselves right...
    81. +1
      15 March 2020 02: 33
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: vnord
      Another point: a third of the Italian population is over 65 years old

      Well, you made Valery happy, I’m already over 65 years old, I’ll go out of grief and buy a bottle.

      Well, why is everything like this for us? out of grief a bottle... out of joy a bottle.... there’s no point in taking two at once, otherwise it’s some kind of half-measure...
    82. -1
      15 March 2020 08: 00
      Let me explain the situation - a sick person is flying in from Europe. Patient with coronavirus infection. Everyone flying with them must be examined for infection - a swab taken and warned of the need for self-quarantine at home. But you never know who brought what from where, people often arrive healthy, information about them comes late, therefore, in order to always be in touch, all those who arrive leave their data in a special questionnaire upon arrival. That's just all, but not all.

      For the most part, the citizens are, God forbid, conscientious, but there are also very “strange” characters who have to be caught around the city, involving the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Because they hide and don’t open the doors. And when you find them, they don’t let you take swabs, sometimes they get into a fight, threatening everyone with punishment, and, well, how could we not, appealing to democratic values. But this is not so bad, the “fun” begins when people upon arrival deliberately give completely distorted information about themselves. And it turns out that special ambulance teams, dressed in anti-plague gowns, rush around the city day and night, in traffic jams, on weekends, to endless addresses where there is no one. How long does it take to stand at the intercom, then stand at the door, interview neighbors? And if you’re not there, then you need to come again, and again, and again, until you find it. But these people don’t answer the phone. Why, the names are written with distortions, the addresses and telephone numbers are incorrect! This means that before midnight, both on weekdays and on weekends, people open databases, ask the police to find contacts, and try to get information from the air carrier. Endless calls, calls, calls. And there may be 4 of these addresses, for example. Rich people will buy apartments for themselves, and then look for where they settled, double-checking each address. Then this information reaches the brigade and it again goes and goes to these addresses. At this time, she does not serve other patients in the city, but simply burns gasoline and sweats in PPE in order to once again stand in front of the intercom, in front of the door.

      Each plane carries about 200-300 people. And until all the passengers have been worked off, no one goes home, sometimes staying at work until 3 am! And so every day, every night.

      It would seem - close the border and figure it out yourself - after all, you left at your own peril and risk, well, now have your own risk, fortunately, those leaving are required to have insurance. They will take care of you there.. Well, or everyone arriving will be unloaded directly from the plane into quarantine camps. Release only after 14 days. But “freedom”, “convenience”... And what to hide, in our country we do not have specialized quarantine facilities for such a number of people. This means that such a camp will create enormous inconvenience for many, and not only tourists. Taking this into account, people are accommodated by allowing them to stay at home. What do people pay in return?

      What to do when people start shouting about their civil rights, completely forgetting about the rights of their neighbors? What to do with people who, coming from South Korea, where they have a cold, have not yet received the result of a smear, and refuse hospitalization. In my opinion, it is necessary to introduce responsibility for “unconscious” behavior that endangers the health of citizens. From correctional labor to six months of imprisonment. And no condition. Plus a large fine of 50-100 thousand rubles. All those flying abroad can afford such a fine and it will be noticeable.
    83. www
      0
      15 March 2020 09: 42
      Cruelty, no intelligence, no honor, no dignity, the scum destroyed an entire country with their degraded gang, and today they have already prepared a diagnosis for their exclusive justification and complete innocence in the form

      “For the Russian authorities, the coronavirus may become more serious than the collapse of the country in 1991”

      Now we will hear that “coronavirus” is to blame for our poverty and all other troubles
    84. 0
      15 March 2020 12: 16
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      Derirybka - “a representative of the upper echelons of the Russian Federation”?

      The elite, damn it, are the upper class, and we, for them, are the rabble, trembling, as they believe and what they are sure of. Like the dumpster beau monde, the most uneducated and immoral part of the population, it is unknown for what kind of “masterpieces” they receive millions in fees, who suddenly also decided to “broadcast to the unreasonable plebs.”
    85. 0
      15 March 2020 12: 17
      Quote: www
      Now we will hear that “coronavirus” is to blame for our poverty and all other troubles

      not only, but also a new and old “trend”, sanctions and oil prices.
    86. 0
      15 March 2020 12: 42
      Deripaska is disingenuous. The criminal-bourgeois counter-revolution that won in the Soviet Union in 1991 is tens of times worse in its consequences than any coronavirus.
      Alexander Malchukov.
    87. -1
      15 March 2020 13: 12
      The world is concerned about the development of a pill for the virus. And they will develop it. I don't even have any doubts about it. They will develop it - and we will scratch it. This is what we are counting on. How much will the savings be? Some Canada is spending a billion. Count. Let's keep it that way for now.
    88. 0
      15 March 2020 14: 35
      Personally, I see in this topic, pumped up by all the controlled media and all sorts of faces turned to the West, another planned provocation for the redistribution of assets and funds. If we take those who died from coronavirus as a percentage of the world’s population and compare them with those who died from other causes and diseases (accidents, flu, heart disease, etc.), then we will see that these are simply incomparable values. At the same time, today they are buying up cheaper assets and even oil for state reserves.
    89. 0
      16 March 2020 06: 27
      Deripaska’s unshaven face shows that he is a TRUE guardian for the needs of the people. The wolf took pity on the mare.

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