In India, they announced a change in the strategy of a possible war on two fronts - with China and Pakistan

_{Turkish drone "Bayraktar"}

The Eurasian Times has published columnist Nitin Tiku reporting India’s decision to change its strategy for waging a possible war on two fronts - against Pakistan and China. In the article, the author refers to Major General of the Indian Army M. Naravane, who announced the change in the general concept and military strategy for such a confrontation.

From the article:

Mindful of the looming threats, the Indian Army has initiated the process of acquiring at least 100 portable munitions -drones, which will play a decisive role in destroying enemy targets near the border. The Loiter drone system should provide guaranteed use in Indian terrain and climatic conditions. There must be warheads to destroy manpower and lightly armored targets.

We are talking about the so-called "wandering" ammunition or kamikaze drones.

It is proposed to take into account the Turkish experience of using drones in Syria. At the same time, there was previously no evidence that the Turks in Idlib used kamikaze UAVs.

From the material of Nitin Chiku:

Such Drones much more profitable to acquire and operate than fighter jets or American attack drones. Two Turkish drone systems, Bayraktar-TB and Anka-S, are successfully operating in Syria. The Bayraktar has also been widely used in the Libyan Civil War, where Turkey is also intervening and proving its prowess with drone technology. At the moment, there are no signs of a deal between Turkey and Pakistan, but experts predict that Bayraktar could be a potential prospect for Pakistan.

The material reports that China is building up a drone fleet, which also equips Pakistan with various types of UAVs.

From the material:

It was previously reported that Islamabad will import 48 Wing Loong IIs air drones from China. Representatives of the Pakistani Air Force said the manufacturer of unmanned aerial vehicles - Chinese aviation Chengdu Industrial Group - will collaborate in the domestic production of unmanned aerial vehicles with Pakistan's Kamra aviation complex, a state-supported air force contractor.

The author says that drones become the most important weapons XXI century:

In Syria, they successfully compete with Russian-made air defense systems.

Comments

[certero]

Something I can’t believe that in the China vs India collision, drones can be used just like when you bomb babaev. Just because the electronic warfare system in both countries is powerful enough, and the channel for controlling the drone needs a wide

[mitroha]

Yes, in China and India there are such numbers of population with a rather small length of the common border that you can throw "stupid" ammunition (cheap) without looking and still cause damage.
But in general, I would not want such a war / conflict to take place. It’s painfully frostbitten that those that these owners of nuclear weapons

[Imperial Technocrat]

In reality, 400-450 million people live in China, and 215-300 million in India. Which, however, is certainly a lot

[Shurik70]

China would not refuse to take back some more km of property there. Indian desert. India does not use, China needs. And China is unceremonious and strong enough to take it without asking.
According to the mind, India should start negotiations on land exchange, but here Indian ambitions are in the way.
And yes. Neither China nor India needs conflict.

[Imperial Technocrat]

The clan ruling China is strong in domestic politics / economics, but not so strong in foreign. Also, what does “pick up” mean? India is not that drastically weaker + there are nuclear weapons

[Shurik70]

China has ALREADY taken away part of the desert, built a road there, a military base. Even under Khrushchev. And India only after a few years found out about it.
Now China is lining the road with oases. He is working on turning the desert into an agricultural region. Successfully working through.

[Camille]

REB systems can also be effectively used against combat aircraft. So it is better to lose 10 UAVs than one aircraft with pilots.

[svp67]

Quote: Camille

So it’s better to lose 10 UAVs than one plane with pilots.

Not a fact, after losing control with a UAV control gear, it’s useless, and a manned aircraft is able to complete the task

[Camille]

For some UAVs, the KP is 200-300 km from the theater of operations .... And what do you think combat aircraft can fly without support from the ground? Do you think the aircraft of the WWII times were confused with modern ones ... I’m better to lose 10 at least 20 UAVs than one pilot with an airplane.

[svp67]

Quote: Camille

And what do you think combat aircraft can fly without support from the ground?

What do you consider "support from the ground"? Support with missiles, guns and tanks? Or do you want to say, "Control from the ground?" And how do you think an advanced aircraft carrier can do this?
And to give target designation from the ground "infantry, tanks and artillery" can, even if communication is lost?

Quote: Camille

I repeat, it is better to lose 10 at least 20 UAVs than one pilot with an airplane.

But this is under the condition that UAVs will be able to carry out the fire mission, to support the troops. Unfortunately, the modern development of unmanned vehicles does not allow for many maneuvers that can be carried out by manned vehicles. And most importantly, the pilot, in a difficult situation with a loss of communication, can make a decision on his own, while UAVs cannot do this

[Camille]

That’s what you think, but in real life everything has not been what you think for a long time. Firstly, ground support is not what you wrote there. Have you ever been to airfields? Have you seen ground services that provide combat aircraft flight? Do you think that Did the pilot get on a plane and fly? Everything is controlled from the ground: from airspace control to target designation. Modern UAVs are more autonomous than your vaunted manned aircraft.

[Camille]

For example, UAVs can return to base automatically, that is, without operator control. ... future aviation for UAVs, not a spell 6th generation is unmanned

[svp67]

Quote: Camille

For example, UAVs can return to base automatically, that is, without operator control. ... future aviation for UAVs, not a spell 6th generation is unmanned

The fact that they can return is the same conditionally, as long as there is a positioning that can be suppressed and interrupted. The pilot in this case is more reliable.
And I myself am a fan of unmanned vehicles, but it’s far from perfect, while

[TermNachTer]

I am plagued by vague doubts that 100 ammunition can cause significant damage to the Chinese army, even if there is no air defense at all. Engines on the "bayraktar" are Zaporozhye - "Motor Sich". But neither Buddha nor Allah will say how long the plant has to live. Until the end of March, the Antimonopoly Committee should be sentenced. The Reich Chancellery in Washington has already decided everything.

[Oquzyurd]

Motor Sich has sent only 2 engines for the Akyndzhy UAV, which are being tested to this day, in flight mode. Bayraktar has Turkish engines and are not related to Motor Sich

[TermNachTer]

Canadian engines stood on it, but after the Turks were stuck with mattresses, deliveries of engines were cut off. The Turks switched to Motorsky.

[Oquzyurd]

The Turks themselves produce engines for UAVs. The video shows the delivery of the next batch of PD-170 engines. They are also used now at Anka, and will be used on modifications of Bayraktar "Akyndzhy" (3 modifications will be at Akyndzhy)). The engine from "Motor Sich" will be used in only one of the modifications. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCu70Of3y2Y

[SSR]

Quote: certero

Just because the electronic warfare system in both countries is powerful enough, and you need a wide channel to control the drone

It's just that the Indians take the "successful" experience of fighting in the absence of air defense, in the presence of electronic warfare, small drones will sprinkle "peas" from a ram. With large drones, the fight with electronic warfare can be more difficult, but the air defense can beat its own fi.
This is me so much in the lyrics, the success of the Turks was from surprise, after the appearance of air defense forces, drones decreased.

[IGOR GORDEEV]

In Syria, they successfully compete with Russian-made air defense systems.

Well, let them continue to think so. Blessed are the believers ...

[guerrilla]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

Well, let them continue to think so. Blessed are the believers ...

I agree that the bases of Khmeimim and Tartus (even from the sea) are checked for strength almost every week by drones - with no chance of success.
Although there are questions to the Shell C1, I hope the modernization will close them. Recently, at the VO on the problems and PR of Shell, there was an article. From what is known for sure - the guns don’t take small drones - only missiles.

[Sky strike fighter]

In Syria, they successfully compete with Russian-made air defense systems.

Well, if you count 20 downed drones (from 11,5 to 30 million dollars each) against 2 damaged Armor successful competition.

[svp67]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Well, if you count 20 downed drones (from 11,5 to 30 million dollars each) against 2 damaged Armor successful competition.

And at least one "Thor" ... and nevertheless the UAVs have already shown their high efficiency on the battlefield

[My doctor]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Well, if you count 20 downed drones (from 11,5 to 30 million dollars each) against 2 damaged Armor successful competition.

Why 20 UAVs, not 120 pcs? Why so modest?
If there is a cost of an UAV, then there should be a cost of a ZRPK. And why is this comparison?
Can it be more correct to compare all the damage from UAV attacks with their cost?

[Sky strike fighter]

Why 20 UAVs, not 120 pcs?

Because 20 UAVs were shot down.

If there is a cost of an UAV, then there should be a cost of a ZRPK. And why is this comparison?
Can it be more correct to compare all the damage from UAV attacks with their cost?

You don’t need to treat us here. And if you want to compare the damage, then calculate the cost of 20 UAVs shot down, each costing from 11,5 million dollars to 30 million dollars. Yes and MAM-L is just a truncated Turkish ATGM.

[Sniper]

what yesterday was fantastic .. today is already a reality. unmanned aircraft, unmanned tanks, ships, etc. We are waiting on the battlefield for robotic soldiers with artificial intelligence.

[bessmertniy]

Too optimistic Indians regarding drones. Suffice it to recall that today China has its own magnificent collection of drones, and is likely to be able to crush the Indian resistance with them. In order to win on two fronts of India, in addition to kamikaze drones, much more is needed.

[Mouse]

The kid attached a camera to Carlson ... And now the Kid has his own drone ...

[cost]

if he attached a Swedish-made camera to him, then this will be the first exclusively Swedish jam drone

[Mouse]

Just serve the jam ....

[Thrifty]

Well, the Indians went too far, to "successfully compete" with Turkish drones with air defense weapons, oh, how far! Simply, the shortage of the same Torahs also played into the hands of the Turks, who at one time managed to bomb the positions of the Syrian army with impunity.

[syndicalist]

Simple drones, controlled from the outside, this is yesterday. Actual are absolutely autonomous, independently making all decisions.

[certero]

Are. But where to get them yet?

[syndicalist]

At least not in the market to buy. On the market you can only buy weapons for the past war

[yriuv62]

India is looking for a magic miracle weapon, but this does not happen. You need to tediously and for a long time to develop and teach your army, and not engage in witchcraft. There is always a reaction to every action.

[simara]

Given their logic of thinking and Indian militants, they will soon come to the necessity of creating 200 megaton-class hydrogen warheads. 50 in Pakistan and 150 in China, the lack of accuracy will be compensated for as before)

[Mountain shooter]

Judging by the latest data, as soon as a serious air defense was brought up, Drones in Turkey ran out. But the "gypsies" are very selective about the information ... Only what they WANT AND LIKE ... well, why is there any negative? It is not sung or danced to it ...

[Sergey Olegovich]

In India, they announced a change in the strategy of a possible war on two fronts - with China and Pakistan

There have already been examples of war on two fronts in history. Hindus could talk with the Germans on this subject. The Germans explained to them the utopianism of the war on two fronts.

We are talking about the so-called "wandering" ammunition or kamikaze drones.

Hindus found a miracle weapon? In a possible war of India on two fronts, drones will not help them.

[2Albert]

In Syria and Libya there were almost perfect weather conditions for UAVs - no clouds and wind. Despite the fact that neither SAA and LNA do not use smoke curtains in principle, this ensured the success of the application. In other weather conditions, which the US has long encountered in Afghanistan, by the way, UAVs are not effective and vulnerable, or heavy UAVs are required that cost significantly more than a strike aircraft.

[Chaldon48]

India needs to organize the production of its drones on the purchased you will not go far.

[Kapkan]

The author says that drones become the most important weapon of the XXI century:
In Syria, they successfully compete with Russian-made air defense systems.

Seriously? After all, the S-300 and S-400 have not even begun work on drones.
"successfully"...

[rotmistr60]

In India, they announced a change in the strategy of a possible war on two fronts - with China and Pakistan

Is Senka a hat? For decades, they have been butt-off with Pakistan and to no purpose, so they also swung at China. Regarding drones that you really need to have, but

In Syria, they successfully compete with Russian-made air defense systems

And about 20 were shot down. They succumbed to Erdogan's propaganda and, apparently, seriously believed in the destruction of 7 Shells, although it has already been proven that this is a common military propaganda fake.

[Sky strike fighter]

Yes, here they didn’t even believe in it. Here, the matter is in the military-political vector of India, and it is pro-Western. Against China and Pakistan. That is, they have one goal with the West, they have the same interests, and they denote this by such statements.

[Sova]

Quote: Mouse

The kid attached a camera to Carlson ... And now the Kid has his own drone ...

Such a drone can only land a jam bank

[ZVS]

Who are the Indians going to fight with? They will be conquered by China in a week.

[awg75]

a day or two to destroy strategic facilities, and then India will simply begin to starve to death. something like this.

[awg75]

any technique in the hands of a savage is just a pile of scrap metal. Russian modern air defense equipment in direct hands, and even more so for graduates of our air defense universities, will not leave chances for drones. believe me.

[Operator]

What is the situation with coronavirus in India and Pakistan?

[Imperial Technocrat]

Turkish systems of unmanned aerial vehicles, Bayraktar-TB and Anka-S, successfully operate in Syria

Yes, it’s so successful that in just a few days, against the not very strong air defense of Syria, the Turks lost 80% of Anka-S drones and a bunch of lighter ones