Report in the USA: F-35 program office has no plans to eliminate 160 deficiencies

The next report was released in the United States, which reports on the work done to identify and eliminate structural deficiencies in F-35 fighters. The document “On State Supervision: Defectiveness Report Metrics” tells us that the F-35 program office did not manage to cope with all the identified problems.

From the report, which was compiled at the end of February of this year:

To date, 883 project deficiencies have been resolved. At the same time, another 160 shortcomings were identified, plans for the elimination of which are not yet available.

The report also talks about this situation: pilots and aircraft technicians pointed out to manufacturers and contractors 448 additional shortcomings, but they were not reflected in the metric. The reason for this is the manufacturer’s refusal to recognize these 448 cases as examples of F-35 flaws. This, in particular, is about design flaws and ergonomics. In other words - about the convenience or inconvenience of the location of certain controls, blocks and nodes.

In a special protocol, it is noted that the office of the F-35 program sometimes consciously translates the identified technical problems from the categories of deficiencies, which should primarily be addressed, into less significant categories. This allows representatives of the manufacturing company to get away from the need to quickly eliminate those shortcomings that are identified aviation technicians and pilots.

As it turns out, the largest number of complaints from F-35 pilots is related to the software of the fifth generation fighter. Some software components are reported to be unstable, which manifests itself primarily when using the network parameters of the aircraft. Problems arise in the logistic plan - if necessary, timely delivery of spare parts. Recall that earlier this problem was already discussed in the USA. To solve it, individual details had to be printed directly in the formations of the Air Force - on a 3D printer. As the pilots themselves note: "Repair using parts created literally in the field."

Comments

[vvvjak]

As the pilots themselves note: "Repair using parts created literally in the field."

The success of the program is impressive. At such a pace, they will reach repairs with the help of a sledgehammer and some kind of mother.

[svp67]

Quote: vvvjak

At such a pace, they will reach repairs with the help of a sledgehammer and some kind of mother.

Or maybe it is worth looking at it from a different angle, and what is it if not an element of the ability to repair and make changes in the field, which dramatically increases the speed of such repairs. In order to "print" something on a 3D printer, first of all, you need to have it, and secondly, create a program for the manufacture of such a part, which means that having such a program and distributing it between repair shops, you can achieve both unification and speed in modernization

[vvvjak]

Quote: svp67

Or maybe it’s worth looking at it from a different perspective, but that it is not an element of the ability to repair and make changes in the field, which dramatically increases the speed of such repairs.

Мне кажется Ф - 35 мало похож на Т-34 времен ВОВ, что бы делать ремонт в экстремальных условиях. Могут вместо увеличения скорости ремонта получить массовый "пингвинопад".

[svp67]

Quote: vvvjak

Instead of increasing the speed of repair, they can get a massive "penguin fall".

But while it is not visible

[vvvjak]

Quote: svp67

But while it is not visible

This is yes. And if you remove the existing operational restrictions for the F-35? Yes, and "nakolkhozit" still not really had time - the car is still relatively new.

[voyaka uh]

People do not understand this yet. There is inertia of thinking: "the detail is necessary
grind on a commodity machine, mill on a milling machine, drill holes
on a drill and tap threads. "
And the fact that the Z-D printer does ALL this at the same time in one cycle without chips -
does not fit into the heads.

[vvvjak]

Quote: voyaka uh

And the fact that the Z-D printer does ALL this at the same time in one cycle without chips -
does not fit into the heads.

Yes Yes. He will also carry out calculations for bending and torsion, plastic deformations, etc.

[Avior]

Do you think a turner with a milling machine does bending and torsion calculations first?

[vvvjak]

Quote: Avior

Do you think a turner with a milling machine does bending and torsion calculations first?

Думаю что это делают конструкторы деталей. А как вы думаете, если на 3D принтере напечатать АК, его эксплуатационные характеристики будут аналогичны заводским?

[JD1979]

Quote: vvvjak

And what do you think, if you print an AK on a 3D printer, will its operational characteristics be similar to the factory ones?

And what do you think, if the article says about the printing of individual parts, and you write about the whole product - AK, does this mean that you did not read the article or you read but did not understand or understood but not so? What do you think, if under the factory conditions blades for turbines are printed, then if you print them in the field from the same raw materials, will they be very different? The future lies with printers, especially in the repair of all small things.

[vvvjak]

Quote: JD1979

And what do you think, if the article says about printing individual parts

Do you even imagine the development and production of even a single part? Before it is put into production, hundreds of experiments are carried out, tested under loads, vibrations, separately, in a unit, etc., then corrections are made and checked again. Based on the results of calculations and experiments, a specification is made and sent to production. And in the case of F-35, a lot of materials, technologies, parts and assemblies are also classified (we will not even touch the patents). And now what John at the American airfield can easily restore all this? What the "kilometers" of money were spent on.

Quote: JD1979

What do you think, if under the factory conditions blades for turbines are printed, then if you print them in the field from the same raw materials, will they be very different?

Very strong, because this is the most raw materials, drawings of the blade, specification, production technologies, etc. - no one will, because it is secret and is intellectual property.

Quote: JD1979

The future belongs to printers.

I do not argue.

Quote: JD1979

especially in the repair of any little things.

Only the plane is not a sewing machine, there are no small things.

[vvvjak]

And yes. The blade for the turbine is structurally and technologically more complex than the AK.

[JD1979]

Quote: vvvjak

Do you even imagine the development and production of even a single part? Before it is launched into production, hundreds of experiments are carried out, checked under loads, vibrations, separately, in a unit, etc., then corrections are made and checked again.

Imagine. Have you served in the army? Do you know the magic word NECESSARY?

Quote: vvvjak

Very strong, because this is the most raw materials, drawings of the blade, specification, production technologies, etc. - no one will, because it is secret and is intellectual property.

Very weak, because 3D printing technology is not secret. A specialist of the company can come to the base with its own flash drive))) and materials, if this is very secret))), the main thing is that the equipment should be. Or do you think that the one hundred fastening mechanism of a technical key broken by a hand-held technician is so secretive that it is necessary to order this piece of duralumin or steel from the manufacturer when you make it yourself on a maximum day?

[vvvjak]

Well then, why do all these "troubles" bother you? Business for 3 minutes.
I served in the army.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: vvvjak

Only the plane is not a sewing machine, there are no small things.

there, and a lot. Parts and assemblies that are not critical to the task. For example, the same seat backs, or brackets for blocks. Pipe holders, etc. Various casings, hatches and covers. All this can be easily printed, and not wait from the factory or look for Uncle Vasya a turner-milling machine operator.

3D-printed parts are available from Airbus A350 XWB, Chinook helicopters, Eviation Aircraft aircraft, Advanced Turboprop
uses printed parts in the design of its turboprop aircraft engines, while Stratasys Direct Manufacturing and NASA use 3D printing of satellite antenna mounts. The domestic VIAM (All-Russian Scientific Research Institute of Aviation Materials) made 3D models of a small-sized gas turbine engine for drones using XNUMXD printing.
AO Klimov is developing a promising helicopter engine, in its manufacture which 3D printing with metals and polymer structural materials will be used to the maximum.
Well, Stratasys needs no introduction.

[sharp-lad]

This is where they are printed?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Avior

Do you think a turner with a milling machine does bending and torsion calculations first?

A turner with a milling machine operator makes the part according to the design documentation and TD, in which all calculations of the material and parts are already made by the designer.
Where is the guarantee that the material of the 3D part fully complies with the material from which the original part was made? I'm not talking about heat treatment ...

[ZAV69]

Made of steel?

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: voyaka uh

And the fact that the Z-D printer does ALL this at the same time in one cycle without chips -
does not fit into the heads.

один нюанс - высокопрочные детали "печатаются" 1мкм (тысячная миллиметра) за один проход. Сделаешь быстро - пожалеешь. Не себя, конечно...

[sharp-lad]

It depends on what part, if loaded, I would like it to be turned, not sintered from powder.
One question: Why are the blades of the hot zone of aircraft turbines not printed on 3D printers?

[Piramidon]

Quote: vvvjak

At such a pace, they will reach repairs with the help of a sledgehammer and some kind of mother.

They can't do that. And the hands for this are not sharpened and brains. If it is written in his technology that the nut must be turned with a "little white" wrench, then, in its absence, he will not think of using the "little black" key.

[voyaka uh]

"that the nut needs to be turned with a" little white "wrench, then he, in its absence," little black "will not think of using" ////
----
And rightly so. This is modern production.
He will not take a sledgehammer if the bolt is stuck and does not screw in.
And it will not hang the sensor upside down on the Proton rocket.

[Piramidon]

Quote: voyaka uh

"that the nut needs to be turned with a" little white "wrench, then he, in its absence," little black "will not think of using" ////
----
And rightly so. This is modern production.
He will not take a sledgehammer if the bolt is stuck and does not screw in.
And it will not hang the sensor upside down on the Proton rocket.

Alexey, you do not understand to which post my answer was. It was about who, in extreme conditions, will show great ingenuity and resourcefulness. The fact is that sometimes there are circumstances when this "little white" key of the key is simply not available, and the problem of repair needs to be solved no matter what. I am a TECHNAR myself, and in extreme conditions I had to use not only "black" keys, but also all kinds of home-made devices. When we were on a business trip abroad, we had to change the engine on the plane. It was sent in its original packaging with a factory set of tools, which, under normal conditions, settled somewhere in the rear economy. We're FUCKED. It turns out that all those works for the production of which we invented rationalization proposals, invented all kinds of "adaptations" ... were taken into account long ago and for each technological operation its own tool was "invented" a long time ago. So I mean that in the case when this "white" key is not available, the Yankes-techie will just sit on ... the opera exactly and wait for it to be brought to him, and with a certified certificate of validity, and Russian the technician uses what is at hand (sledgehammer, savvy and mother) and will complete the task of putting the equipment into operation. I don’t know if you understood me or not, but you tried to convey it.

[voyaka uh]

So I don’t understand you, sorry

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Piramidon

it is written in the technology that the nut must be turned with a "little white" wrench, then he, in its absence, "little black" will not think of using it.

And what if - a fine is punished for not following the instructions or in general - will they be deprived of insurance? This is a serious matter!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Piramidon

If it is written in his technology that the nut must be turned with a "little white" wrench, then, in its absence, he will not think of using the "little black" key.

And he will do the right thing. Because following the instructions is a direct path to a long and happy life, not darkened by reprimands from the authorities and conversations with investigators. For with a "little black" wrench, the bolt can be tightened with a different effort, or you can even tear off the head.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alexey RA

And he will do the right thing. Because following the instructions is a direct path to a long and happy life, not darkened by reprimands from the authorities and conversations with investigators. For with a "little black" wrench, the bolt can be tightened with a different effort, or you can even tear off the head.

My answer was about Russian ingenuity, "sledgehammer and mother." What I mean is that in conditions when it is urgent to put the equipment into operation, and there is no "white" key, our technician will find a way to use the "black" one.

[faridg7]

That's for sure. This is the difference between our technician-engineer and the American technician. Ask why the bearing is clamped with a nut with a force of 150 Newtons per meter. Ours will most likely tell you about the bearing preload (unless, of course, he is a "minus engineer"), and the American one will say that it is written in the instructions.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Piramidon

If it is written in his technology that the nut needs to be turned with a "little white" wrench, then, in his absence, he will not think of using the "black"

and he will very correctly do that he will not use left-wing methods, even if he thinks of it.
We saw such crazy handles that hammered the bolts with a sledgehammer if they didn’t go (think, I took the bolt with the wrong thread - this is not a problem for a sledgehammer))), individuals who managed to dock connectors that are not mating parts according to TD (dad and mom - but this also does not matter if there is physical strength and a bit of zeal), which were checked by the old-fashioned method (for a spark) of electronic blocks on semiconductors. Do you admire these people?

If something does not go as it should - think about it, read the TD, take advice, and do not show sometimes harmful "ingenuity"

[Piramidon]

Quote: Gregory_45

and will do very right

Well, let him stupidly wait for this "little white" key from his state of Miami to be delivered to Europe. And our technician, with the help of "wit and mother", will already put the plane into operation.
Py.Sy. If anything, I myself am a techie with 27 years of experience in servicing aircraft, and in the subject of what I'm talking about.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Piramidon

And our technician, with the help of "wit and mother", will already put the plane into operation.

or make the plane go on its last flight.

We do not have a lot of smart, sensible and at the same time handy, but there are enough initiative and torsos with the life principle “it will do just that”.

If you are a technician, you should know that various regulations are not written because someone had nothing to do. And not so that they are not read or observed

[Piramidon]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: Piramidon

And our technician, with the help of "wit and mother", will already put the plane into operation.

or make the plane go on its last flight.

We do not have a lot of smart, sensible and at the same time handy, but there are enough initiative and torsos with the life principle “it will do just that”.

If you are a technician, you should know that various regulations are not written because someone had nothing to do. And not so that they are not read or observed

I do not remember in which film the hero said - "orders are orders, and the fighter's personal initiative is also in the charter."
Yes, I am a technician, and I know how, sometimes, it is necessary to urgently release an aircraft into flight, but the very instrument that is needed according to all the regulations and instructions is not at hand. That's when you have to show ingenuity and initiative. But you, who is blinkered with instructions and instructions and under the threat of "sanctions" is afraid to retreat from them, will never understand this. Healthy nobody has canceled the initiative

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Piramidon

But to you, who is littered with instructions and instructions.

I don’t remember something to discuss your personality

Instructions are written for that, so as far as possible to exclude improper maintenance, which can lead to a lot of extremely unpleasant things. You will not deny this?
Second. There are many "rationalizers" who believe that they know better than designers and technologists how to "do the right thing", while TD and other waste paper is read only by "blinkered ignoramuses without convolutions in their heads." There will be a couple of examples on this matter at the end of the comment.
Thirdly, the manifestation of ingenuity is the flip side of poor software. When you have to resort to ersatz methods, is it probably from a good life? Ponder this before you take pride in being savvy.) Savvy is for emergency cases, not the norm of everyday life. If everyday life consists of it, then you have a very interesting life))

Now a couple of examples.
1. I had to personally observe when one young innovator, having made several unsuccessful attempts to unscrew the nuts from the fuel filter, came up with nothing better than to cut off the fuel pipes ... with a grinder) He did not think that it would be very light and the body. His colleagues had to use the wrenches for other purposes - in the form of a missile, in order to stop Prometheus.
2. Some particularly entrepreneurial, without reading the technical literature, when installing car radios, for the sake of saving wires, they passed the second wire on the car body. And what is the mass! They did not hear about the bridge circuit for switching on the ULF, and laziness to read.
3. Современные иномарки напичканы электроникой. Например, на Ауди А8 стояночный тормоз - электрический. И чтоб поменять колодки , нужно прибегнуть к помощи компьютера (развести, а потом свести колодки, выставив "ноль"). Но зачем нам высокие буржуйские технологии, если есть русская кувалда? Правда, потом машину пришлось гнать с спеццентр, чтоб заново научить тормоза работать как надо, но это же такие мелочи...
What is it for? If you are a big-headed and arm-shaped, honor and praise be to you. Not all of them. For this, instructions are written. And most are highly encouraged to comply with them. The fact that in the West they comply with the regulations is the way it should be. This is called a production culture.
You personally can do as you please - at your own peril and risk. If you accept responsibility for your actions.

[TermNachTer]

Surrender to mine, sho this will be the most grandiose failure of "Lockheed" and mattress mats in general, over the past 50 years. Congratulations to them.

[rocket757]

shortcomings is pf-e, who \ what they do not have?

[Operator]

Cheating the structure of the US Defense Ministry with reports on the flaws of the "Flying Penguin" - seeds. The end result is that Lokheed Martin, the manufacturer of the Penguin, flatly refuses to provide DoD access to a database of aircraft system failures collected automatically within the embedded FRACAS IS - like we have all the information, but it's a trade secret for you.

In fact, Lokheed Martin behaves towards the USA as a sovereign country - an arms exporter, and it gets away with it.

[kenig1]

It’s immediately obvious that you carefully read the previous article.

[lucul]

In fact, Lokheed Martin behaves towards the USA as a sovereign country - an arms exporter, and it gets away with it

The goys are not supposed to know the whole truth)))

[Cut Samshitov]

Honestly, I dislike America. But here the comparison is not in our favor. As an example - a filthy bucket instead of a toilet on board our strategists. So our attitude to the simple warriors is not better, and in some places - much worse.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sawing Boxwood

As an example - a filthy bucket instead of a toilet on board our strategists.

The bucket was before. Now installed dry closets.
By the way, during my 27 years of service on the Tu-95/142, the EMNIP used the bucket only 1 time. (The operator before eating something obscene ate)

[Avior]

Tolerated, because then to endure ....

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Sawing Boxwood

But here the comparison is not in our favor. As an example - a filthy bucket instead of a toilet on board our strategists.

Semi-truth is not a lie, of course, but sometimes it is much worse than a lie.
http://forums.airforce.ru/kurilka/7308-udobstva-v-dal-nei-aviacii/

[bars1]

In this case, Lockheed Martin just does not care about the convenience of American pilots

[g1washntwn]

Well, what a capricious buyer went. We answer them: - An engine that constantly falls on the road is not a drawback, it is a feature of this model ... and here, in small print, the contract says "features are not shortcomings and grounds for making claims"!

[kot423]

Analyst at the Washington Government Oversight Project Dan Grazier ....
- However, the greatest fears of specialists are caused by those 162 shortcomings, which certainly will not be corrected in the foreseeable future. They will be preserved upon receipt of the F-35 in combat units, and in the future may affect the effectiveness of the fighter during the fighting ....
- It is known that the aircraft had problems with a gun having "unacceptable accuracy" and with flight control systems. At high angles of attack, the F-35B and F-35C tend to deviate from the course ....
Source: https://newinform.com/213752-national-interest-soobshil-o-sotnyakh-nedostatkov-nevidimki-f-35?utm_source=warfiles.ru
- Stock up on popcorn while waiting for the screeching "You are lying!"

[iouris]

There is a crisis, it is a crisis in the USA as well, but there is also a fundamental problem: the F-35 was well ahead of its time, although there is no clear evidence that this is the "fifth generation" (well, that's okay). In any case, neither the security of the United States, nor the security of the US allies critically depends on the "diseases" of the F-35, and for the "cause of peace" this is even good.

[voyaka uh]

1) To produce parts on the ground, directly at military bases, aircraft carriers,
destroyers are the future. Not yet used to it, but it will be so
organized logistics.
2) Network software problems - this is the only aircraft with such software.
3) Problems of software for prognostics (predicted replacement of parts) -
it is the only aircraft in the world with such a system.
Problems from the series: "The rich also cry."

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: voyaka uh

Network software problems - this is the only aircraft with such software.

Probably yes ... But why rejoice if it is buggy? In addition, they’ll catch up anyway, or maybe even overtake, until they have to pick their jambs ...

Quote: voyaka uh

Problems from the series: "The rich also cry."

Well yes. You can be happy for them - let them cry.

[voyaka uh]

"if it is buggy? Besides, they will still catch up, and maybe they will overtake it,
while with jambs "////
----
This does not happen. Those who first started, they are the leaders in technology.
Without picking with jambs do not move forward.
The USSR lagged behind with electronics in due time and still this lag remains.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: voyaka uh

This does not happen. Those who first started, they are the leaders in technology.

Not true! Not always. The most "egregious" cases are the Wright brothers, the Lumiere brothers. The same Chinese - the iPhones 1,2,3,4,5,6 slipped through and if they are not yet in the lead, then they are almost on a par, then it will be further, who knows. As in sports - not always the one who started first will be the first and at the finish line.
I think so. ©

[neri73-r]

Quote: voyaka uh

This does not happen. Those who first started, they are the leaders in technology.

Well, now I'm for air defense / missile defense and the hypersound is calm, they won’t catch up !!!!!! And nuclear weapons are far behind, not to mention nuclear energy (MOX fuel, etc.)!

[Vasyan1971]

To date, 883 project deficiencies have been resolved. At the same time, another 160 shortcomings were identified, plans for the elimination of which are not yet available.

pilots and aircraft manufacturers pointed out to manufacturers and contractors 448 additional shortcomings

Figase! That's for sure: "No matter how you shout" Help! ", But the caravan goes" ... The right way, in short.
For some reason it seems to me that they correlate with the Su-57, in this case - "less is better, but better" and "the quieter you drive, the further you will be."

[3danimal]

Interestingly, the opposite is true for tanks ...

[Vasyan1971]

Figs understand what they say there and then that comes to us.

[rotmistr60]

the F-35 program office did not manage to cope with all identified problems

Have they tried? Probably according to the principle - "I sit, and the money is dripping."

[dzvero]

"This is not a bug, but a feature" (c)

[Incvizitor]

They’ll buy it anyway.

[gabonskijfront]

Я счастливый обладатель автомобиля Нива,у меня все компоненты софта, работают стабильно.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: gabonskijfront

I have all the software components that work stably.

Будьте добры, поделитесь с нами, как вам удалось достичь такого результата в системе автономной логистики (ALIS) - обеспечивающее техническое обслуживание для Нивы.

[Maks1995]

What a nightmare then !!!

Here I am on my computer, I’ll also count 200 flaws, although the worker is not bad ....

And specifically what - not a single word.

По памяти прежних статей: усилили ли шины, чтоб выдерживали не 5 экстремальных посадок на авианосец, а 25? А на СУ57 как?
Did the stealth cover increase so that it can withstand ultra-speed for a long time? And on SU57 how?
Air overload? Afterburner duration ???
Износ фюзеляжа в напряженнох местах??? Межремонтный срок деталей???

We have it all fine on Su, everyone knows ....

[Alipes]

The author, are we not friends with the Russian language?

[Boratsagdiev]

"sometimes deliberately transfers the identified technical problems from the categories of shortcomings, which should first of all be eliminated, into less significant categories" - well done, the computer industry has learned to transfer some of the problems into the category of "not critical".
WG loves to do this

[Dzafdet]

Quote: voyaka uh

People do not understand this yet. There is inertia of thinking: "the detail is necessary
grind on a commodity machine, mill on a milling machine, drill holes
on a drill and tap threads. "
And the fact that the Z-D printer does ALL this at the same time in one cycle without chips -
does not fit into the heads.

I would not risk putting such a detail on the plane. This is not a bike ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Dzafdet

I would not risk putting such a detail on the plane. This is not a bike ...

[voyaka uh]

No problem. 3D printing is not a speed method, not for mass production.
But with durability - everything is in order. And by the uniformity of the material - there are no equal.
There will be no sinks, as when casting, no thermal stresses.
Both put on missiles, and on passenger aircraft such
the details. And the more complex the part in shape, the more profitable to use this method.

[Zaurbek]

In general, someone knows about the shortcomings and their number in Su35 / 57

[sharp-lad]

Well, if you haven’t adopted it, then this is all right! Because they do not accept, they finish it!

[Mikhail Drabkin]

This is normal: non-critical defects do not have to be fixed, since EVERY CHANGE LEADS IMMEDIATELY TO NEW DEFECTS.