If canceling the presidential term, then canceling the law on raising the retirement age?

_{In the house of veterans and disabled people}

The subject of amendments to the Constitution continues to be actively discussed both among experts and among ordinary citizens of the country.

One of the issues discussed: if the package of amendments has already been approved by the State Duma of the Russian Federation, has passed through regional legislative assemblies, is preparing for approval in the upper house of the Federal Assembly, then what kind of process does the country expect on April 22? A vote is proposed on what has already been approved by the legislature? Does this mean that if it suddenly turns out that the majority of Russians are against constitutional amendments on April 22, then all the work of the State Duma, regional parliaments and the Federation Council of recent times will be “nullified”?

Public discussion also touches on the issue of the current legislation in the event of amendments to the country's Basic Law.

One of the questions: if amendments to the Constitution lead to the zeroing of the presidential term, does this mean that it will also lead to the zeroing, for example, of the law on raising the retirement age? Indeed, if the system of power and socio-political life in the country, as the authors of the amendments themselves say, involves reformatting in connection with the amendments introduced, it means that decisions made within the framework of the “past” socio-political system and the “past” power system are also suitable for mode of "zeroing" or re-consideration.

Another public question: Does this mean that Russia will nevertheless carry out a “zeroing” of the results of privatization? After all, privatization started before the adoption of the Constitution of 1993, and was carried out during and after its adoption. And if the Constitution is updated, if it is going to consolidate the supremacy of domestic Russian legislation over international, it turns out that we are at least discussing the issue of reviewing the results of that act.

Comments

[bessmertniy]

I am particularly worried that my salary is constantly reset. And soon the pension will be reset.

[Stalllker]

Is that so?)))

[dirk182]

Probably Victor meant purchasing power. If so, then he is right

[For example]

Quote: bessmertniy

I especially worry that my salary is constantly reset

You are immortal.
Are you worried about pensions and zp?
This too shall pass.
And you will survive it.

[hydrox]

Immortality is also to be shown to the population in a decent form, and not in torn swimming trunks, and this also requires denyuh!
And then: if he appears to the population in the form of Kashchei, then no one will believe that he is immortal, and everyone will say: "Pour a glass for him now, and he will die without reaching! - What kind of immortality is needed for a fig?"

[Stas157]

There are precedents in the recent history of Russia regarding the zeroing of presidential terms.

In 1998, the Constitutional Court banned Yeltsin from re-election for a third term.
Boriska also then appealed to the fact that the first term, they say, he had with another, still old Constitution ... But the scam did not pass.
It’s interesting, but what will happen this time, will Vladimir Vladimirovich outstrike the drunk?

[vadson]

have any doubts?

[Stalllker]

The salary can only be reset to zero when you go to the store and buy something))) and here each has different ways, it depends on need and ability)))

[Revival]

I think he meant that he received a salary, you go to the store, but you can’t buy anything.

[Malyuta]

Well, if you zero, then you need to reset everything, from here it turns out that the Duma needs to be reset, the Federation Council too, well, all the elected officials, that is, ALL then will need to RE-elect and accordingly the president, and immediately after the adoption of the law.

[x.andvlad]

if it suddenly turns out that the majority of Russians will oppose constitutional amendments on April 22, then will the entire work of the State Duma, regional parliaments and the Federation Council of recent times be “nullified”?
Since they offer to vote "in bulk", the majority will vote "for" social guarantees, and for one and for "zeroing". The "people" are not particularly left with a choice.
And if they do not vote, then they will simply "count correctly."

[Vasyan1971]

I remember right now: "Yes, yes, no, yes!" The bogey woman sang on TV.

[private person]

And if they do not vote, then they will simply "count correctly."

That's exactly vote, don't vote, but the result is already known, the "majority" FOR. If the regional deputies have already adopted the amendments, the deed is done.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: private person

That's it, do not vote, but the result is already known

The media has already slipped many times infa that supposedly the majority of Russians speak out to amend the constitution. And the numbers are something, from 55 to 80%. This literally means that previously they managed to interview almost half of the country's population.
I don’t know how it really is, but I personally haven’t asked anyone of my acquaintances yet.
And all these interpolations of percentages after a survey of one thousand people are verbiage "from the evil one."

[Reserve officer]

Andrey, this is not "verbiage from the evil one," as you tactfully put it. This is an outright lie.
From my environment, not a single person approved of these unconstitutional initiatives. No one.
Probably, the survey was conducted within the boundaries of the Garden Ring in Moscow. Or within the Kremlin.

[NordUral]

And why rake up? You vote "against" and all "against", and then we'll see how the card goes.

[kjhg]

It has long been clear that ENEMIES are in power in the country. Enemies are insidious, cunning and smart. They crawled into power under the guise of OWN. Dealing with these will not be easy. There is a very exact analogy in medicine, it’s cancer cells. Cancer cells pretend to be relatives, so the cells of the immune system, designed to fight such alien elements, do not distinguish them from their own. It will be very difficult to overcome the country's cancer. This has already happened in the history of our country. This is a story with false Dmitry. Then, too, the country plunged into great turmoil. But the people found the strength in themselves to cleanse the country from enemies. Will it work again?

[carstorm 11]

Well this is your opinion. personal. focus on this and it turns out you are trying to speak for me. and to me personally it’s all a little bit.

[Varyag71]

I think that the whole country has a problem with the government. Yesterday, they assembled the pre-workshops at VASO, brought the information that in Voronezh, JSC Elektropribor was declared bankrupt. The last 150 people will soon leave the company. According to rumors, although in place of it to build an LCD. They want to build someone with us, only in the majority for low-paying posts. And we have a problem. We do not know what will happen to us, what will happen to aircraft construction in general. Everywhere so. I want to live in a country where the authorities are doing everything for ordinary people to live well. Then we are ready for our country and power ready to break. In the meantime, only power in the person of bureaucrats is ready to squeeze all the juices out of us.

[krillon]

During the time that United Russia was in power, it has carried out a huge work, without exaggeration, the results of which we see. This is the so-called pension reform, the Yarovaya law, the sovereign runet and so on. Voting by regional parliamentarians from the same opera. The communists and those merged abstaining. The situation suits everyone except the people, although many don't give a damn about the shops with food, it makes no sense to rely on civil society. It remains to wait for the next "I'm tired, I'm leaving ..."

[flicker]

but go on. it's so funny)

Here is the principle:
- you write that because of Putin you became a drunk - you immediately get a bunch of pluses.
- you write that because of Putin you have ceased to be an alcoholic - you immediately get a bunch of minuses

[carstorm 11]

now I know) I will remember)))

[Wizzzard]

carstorm 11 (Dmitry)
... it turns out you are trying to speak for me.

Is it really news for you that on Internet forums everyone expresses a personal opinion (with the exception of direct quotes)?
But this was puzzling, and a lot:

but to me personally it’s all

Firstly, if one side, then why harness the discussion? And secondly (and most importantly!), When it really becomes not side, it will be too late to tear a shirt on his chest.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: kjhg

It has long been clear that ENEMIES are in power in the country.

Not really, I think. I remember even in "Gangster Petersburg" the scene was: "We will not let anyone rob you. We will rob you ourselves." Something like this.

[businessv]

Quote: kjhg

They crawled into power under the guise of OWN. Dealing with these will not be easy.

They didn’t climb anywhere, they were there from the Union, they just showed their true face!

[kjhg]

Quote: businessv

They didn’t climb anywhere, they were there from the Union, they just showed their true face!

And what did I write about? You did not carefully read my comment. They were all pioneers, Komsomol members, and later members of the CPSU. Therefore, they managed to get through. Now listen to what they say about the CPSU, the Soviet Union and its history. This is a complete analogy with cancer cells!

[businessv]

Quote: kjhg

And what did I write about?

Well, pioneers and Komsomol members were the majority of citizens who reached a certain age, and only those who were close to it could get into power. In general, I agree with you, of course!

[carstorm 11]

I recently ceased to understand what was going on in the military ... then they prove to me that anyone in the USSR could get into power. social elevators blah blah blah then they write now that only those who were close to her got into it ... soon the brain will explode)

[ikrut]

I have been on VO for a long time. And lately I have noticed more and more often that the resource is gradually turning into a liberal cesspool. There is less and less constructive material, discussion of articles farther and farther from military topics, more and more snot about an unhappy life and lamentations about bad government. More mutual dislike and idle chatter. Some kind of woman's gatherings. "Sad, girls" (c) If life is bad, then you need to study and work more or bring up children so that in old age they do not chew horseradish with salt, and not sit behind the screen. And then on a computer with an Internet ZP enough, and for the rest - immediately "zeroed". It is still here only because interesting articles sometimes slip through. But, alas, less and less. Sorry, it's boiling.

[Revival]

Or maybe there are more complaints about life because life is getting worse.
And nobody is going to correct the situation in the country.
Didn’t you get such a direct analogy?

[yang174]

))) you need to work harder))) well, you can work harder, work harder. I always thought that you need to work well (the quality would be good for a normal salary), but here, at least as much as work, you’ll get a slave for pottage and sack

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: ikrut

If you live badly, then you need to learn more and work

Oh, I can't. And this is the lamentations of the dissatisfied liberals? Laponka, these are your words that I have quoted, and there is a fundamental stone of Protestant heresy in general, and liberalism in particular. You have just signed in the exemplary conformity with the morality of "good old America", and simply fierce, transcendental and unacceptable even for the current US liberalism)))
And the Russian tradition is paternalism and solidarity. Damn it. Obeying the tsar priest is a tradition. But the complete responsibility of the king, absolutely for everything, from defeat in the war, and to the death of the basement cat, is also a tradition. And one cannot be separated from the other. Basically. And it is fundamentally impossible to cross the paternalistic absolute power with the liberal "every man for himself, and I will not be responsible for anything".

[Dima Kurin]

If you live badly - then you need to study more and the slave

"The horse worked the most on the collective farm, but never became chairman."

[Cut Samshitov]

More mutual dislike and idle chatter. Some kind of woman's gatherings. "Sad, girls" (c)

I’m not a woman, and I don’t think I’m a woman’s gathering. Because - here. Why are you here?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Well, if life improves more and more, the question arises. And why then there are more disturbances? Are people masochistic and oppose a better life?

need to learn more and work

And what will it give-training and work? Today, a lot of people have one or two higher educations. But they work as security guards and sellers. Why? So education does not guarantee a good life? To live well, you have to work hard! In history, many people have worked hard. But neither the slaves nor the serfs got rich and did not improve their lives. Why? Worked a little? The last example when the German concentration camps worked a lot. Which of the prisoners managed to improve their lives while working in the camp? So the matter is not in the intensity of work, but in another?

[flicker]

Constructive less and less, discussion of articles farther from military topics

Commerce.
Now, it seems, politics is in trend, money has poured on political topics with a strictly defined bias, well, like, "the end of Russia".

[Matroskin]

Being determines consciousness. The injustice of the present is projected into the past, there is nowhere else to go. There were social lifts and elitism appeared. Careerists in the party were called "self-seekers", when, as a phenomenon, they ceased to be identified and fought, they later showed their vile nature, already merging with speculators and guild workers.
I personally know a couple of them. They accumulated so much money that they could not spend ... Conclusion: it is necessary to allow private entrepreneurship (perestroika), and then new horizons opened up, a huge amount of money and goods floated by, "no one's" of course ... in order to close the elite in itself , you need to turn off the elevators altogether, privatize the state and that's it.
People have questions of the future spinning in their heads, but they cannot form an image of the future. And therefore ... Stalin, collective farms, the economy of Nicholas 2, repression, Stolypin, railways, Khrushchev, Kosygin, war, war. And the "elite" with a cynical grin observes or does not notice at all

[private person]

that in the USSR anyone could get into power

Well, certainly not any, but a member of the CPSU who successfully licked or licked another member of the CPSU an order of magnitude higher and so on. As for now, the same thing just doesn’t exist, but there are some more powerful parties, the others are not really one.

[businessv]

Quote: carstorm 11

then they prove to me that anyone in the USSR could get into power. social elevators blah blah blah then they write now that only those who were close to her got into it ... soon the brain will explode)

Be
register a brain, colleague! I said that the imperious cohort of the Union and their hangers-on were allowed to the section of the union pie! That is, once again, so that you do not bother: I said that the current oligarchs are people who were either in power or in their environment! Well, to be a deputy, chairman of a state farm, etc., in the Union, there was no need to pay money, that's for sure! Hope clarified.

[Reserve officer]

Dmitry, what is happening in the country as in the country. Everyone can have their own opinion. And thank the creator that for the time being they are not shooting for expressing their opinions.
So do not try to understand some basic line. Just have your opinion.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

There is another interesting point highlighted. In the recent past, fathers and grandfathers fought for socialism and a bright future for their descendants. But after a while, the descendants did not appreciate the efforts of their ancestors. Anathematized their deeds. If you look at the biographies of many of our figures, as well as descendants of figures of those years, an amazing picture will open. The descendants then went over to the side of those against whom their ancestors fought. But this topic is not discussed today.

[Quasipatriot]

It will turn out, because Putin is with us! Now he will correct it for another 20 years, and we will definitely defeat corruption, the oligarchs, social injustice, and geyropeyshchina. And common sense.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

In my opinion, the current policy is aimed at creating a layer of rich people. And judging by the Forbes lists being successfully executed. When creating a certain number of wealthy people, there will be no corruption. This will be called business. Where will be successful and unsuccessful. This will be called social justice. The most unsuccessful of course will be indignant at their position and rage. But successful ones will successfully pacify them and give a choice for later life. Or life in prison under guard, or freedom of homelessness! And somehow in this direction we are moving very successfully! There is a truth still indignant at the number of cameras filming citizens. Well, these are incorruptible anti-corruption! The desires of citizens are fulfilled.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: kjhg

It will be very difficult to overcome the country's cancer. This has already happened in the history of our country. This is a story with false Dmitry. Then, too, the country plunged into great turmoil. But the people found the strength in themselves to cleanse the country from enemies. Will it work again?

There is nothing to overcome such a "cancerous" disease of the country ... There is no operative intervention (death penalty) ... Chemistry (work in chemical enterprises with harmful working conditions and in uranium mines) is plagued as a relic of backward Soviet industry ...
Only one way of “struggle” is propagandized: overeating with the accompanying “all sorts of excesses”, boat trips on a yacht and living in a coastal sea zone no higher than 40 ° north latitude ...

[NordUral]

When it reaches ALL the people, it can do without surgery, in a therapeutic way, in the elections. But do not want to leave - their decision, let them not blame themselves later.

[Paul Siebert]

I am particularly worried that my salary is constantly reset. request And soon the pension will be reset too.

In my opinion, it's time to nullify the Federation Council. And start its formation by direct voting of our population.
Members of the forum, do you know your senators? I doubt it ...
Well, I - I know. And what? They have nothing to do with the region that they represent these gentlemen. They were not born in my small homeland, did not study, did not live. Good representatives?
Once upon a time, governors of the regions were members of the Federation Council. We came to meetings in Moscow ... There was at least some sense. Senators knew about the problems of territories not by hearsay.
Now 85% of senators are Muscovites. Representatives of United Russia.
Well, what laws do they enact? Need the regions they represent?
Ask - why do not I amend the Constitution?
But how to do it? And who is asking me about this?
The authorities were important to do three things:
Raise your authority by "public discussion of the Constitution."
Legalize "reign nullification".
Send people in April to a plebiscite.
However, we will not see any amendments concerning the Federation Council or, for example, the subsoil "belonging to the people" in the amended Constitution ...

[AlexVas44]

Quote: Paul Siebert

Members of the forum, do you know your senators? I doubt it ...

I know a couple of my regional pence. They left us, but not for long the people rejoiced - they sat down in the Council, they teach us to live between snores. Indeed, it is time to reset.

[NordUral]

It’s time to reset the system before it resets us all.

[Revival]

Even the amendment on real estate abroad was wrapped up, what kind of subsoil and property are there

[cloud catcher]

The anti-people pension reform changed my self-consciousness, but deep down I believed that the veterans of this sit in the government and the Duma. If the terms of the presidency are "zeroed" or something similar happens, then my faith (even if it is introduced into the Constitution, which I must believe) will be greatly shaken. I expected the president to personally reject Tereshkova's amendment, and this is a clever move. But, we are waiting for the decision of the COP, although ...

[NordUral]

You are still in a coma, I sympathize ... It is time to get out of her BB already.

[cloud catcher]

It's nice that officials read. Well, who else would support the correctness of the PR. Nothing personal ...) Many amendments are logical, but the "cosmic" amendment looks ... to put it mildly, hypocritical.

[NordUral]

Hypocritical? No, petty!

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Well, questions, however, you have Paul! Then you already have to reset the whole system of capitalism and build a new system! We have supporters of different systems on our site. And on the site there was not even a vote on what kind of system readers want. Slavery, feudalism, monarchy, socialism, .... ??? Maybe someone wants a computer society with implanted chips, round-the-clock monitoring and scientific calculations of needs. IN so far no discussions and votes have been published.

[Paul Siebert]

Maybe someone wants a computer society with implanted chips, round-the-clock monitoring and scientific calculations of needs.

Yes, citizen of the Soviet Union 2, I understand you.
For you - implanted chips and "successful and unsuccessful" - the ultimate in your dreams.
And you will sit in an expensive anatomical chair and distribute.
According to scientific calculations of needs ...
Why did you take such a nickname? To provoke?
But what if, instead of an expensive armchair, you get a kylo in your hands and go to raise the national economy to uranium mines?
You can’t argue with your beloved West.
The situation can change very quickly and you won’t have time to change the shoes ...

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Dear comrade Paul! In the first lines of my comment I inform you, read the comments carefully. I think my previous comment was read in a hurry and without having time to digest or having mixed several comments in a heap, we decided to answer. Why and when did these ideas of socialism come to be considered provocations? For successful and unsuccessful supporters of capitalism drown. Alex Brezhnev recently released a movie about the bums of warm California. Dedicated to all adherents of capitalism. Since I consider your previous comment an annoying misunderstanding, I do not consider the need to paint an answer further. Sincerely, SOVIET UNION!

[NordUral]

[Quote] Then you already have to zero out the whole system of capitalism and build a new system! We have supporters of different systems on our site. And on the site there was not even a vote on what kind of system readers want. [/ Quote]
So let's conduct a survey, otherwise soon, as it seems to me, and here we can’t ask anything from anyone.
Highlighted by me in bold are holy words, the only thing that will save the country.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

I put you a plus in support of the comment on the vote. I hope as much as you give a damn, there are as many supporters of the idea of ​​voting in VO. Let your comment be a survey on the topic of the survey.

[NordUral]

Let's see, maybe it will.

[qQQQ]

Quote: bessmertniy

And soon the pension will be reset. recourse

You are also lucky that the pension will also be nullified, it seems that I will not have a pension at all.

[bessmertniy]

Friends, here they noticed that I seem to be Immortal and should not be afraid of zeroing the salary, that I would not seem to need it - and I will not die without a salary. On the other hand, I, as a mere mortal, have to go to the store and buy what I need for life. And when I see that, for example, the vegetables that come to us from China, due to the coronavirus or for other reasons, have sharply doubled in price, I understand that the salary is really reset. And retirement pensions too. Their retirement allowance this year is not enough to buy the same set of products as last year.

[NordUral]

And who did they vote for in March 18th?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

And who did they vote for in March 18th?

In March!? Voted !? For whom!? Probably for the March cat !? Or against !?

[Jura 27]

The trick is that if the constitution is new and all terms are reset, then such a new constitution is adopted through the convening of a constitutional assembly and a referendum. If the constitution is old as amended (there were amendments in previous years), then there can be no zeroing of deadlines. Moreover, the tsar is a deliberate criminal, because pushes the judges of the constitutional court to commit a crime (threatened with their removal), expressed in recognition of the old constitution (as amended), as the supposedly new constitution.
Accordingly, all who vote for the amendments will be accomplices in the crime.
And as it was rightly written below, if the constitution is as if new (which is wrong, because it is adopted at a referendum) and all terms are reset, then new presidential and parliamentary elections must be immediately called.

[Aerodrome]

If canceling the presidential term, then canceling the law on raising the retirement age?

this, zeroing everything!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Aerodrome

this, zeroing everything!

Ka-a-ashmar-rr!

But for "zeroing everything", IV Stalin had to leave the Mausoleum.

Actually, in his dreams he counted on the fact that after the year 2024, a tougher and more consistent president will appear in Russia than Putin.

If you want - Stalin light version ...

[paul3390]

If you want - Stalin light version ...

After 30 years of current capitalism, the light version is no longer enough. Only comrade Stalin hard can save the people and the country .. For the bourgeois - they will give the loot to the loot with good. Yes, and certainly have to restore the homeland from scratch ..

[cost]

But for "zeroing everything", IV Stalin had to leave the Mausoleum.

If we zero out according to all the rules, then Rurik

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, since the discussion is clowning, then here, though not Rurik himself, but the only reliable surviving image of Rurikovich !!

[teron]

To Latin American.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Insurgent

Actually, in his dreams he counted on the fact that after the year 2024, a tougher and more consistent president will appear in Russia than Putin.

If they begin to “take the Arab”, carry nonsense about “our everything”, then Stalin may appear much earlier than 2014.

[Ross xnumx]

"Firefly" - 2024 ...

[NordUral]

A light version of Vissarionych is indispensable; he himself was too soft for those who sold the country after him.

[Vasyan1971]

zeroing, for example, the effect of the law on raising the retirement age?

Unlikely. This, as with the price of gas, can only increase, in principle.
And about the "zeroing" of privatization - generally a muddy topic. They didn’t shed human blood in order to suddenly refuse ...

[AU Ivanov.]

This will be an election promise in the next presidential election. It will work completely and without a win.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

This will be an election promise in the next presidential election.

Yeah. Tidbit theme ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Tidbit theme ...

But unrealizable.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Ingvar 72

But unrealizable.

The theme for the election is a tidbit. The result is unrealizable.

[Stalllker]

They don’t write correctly, we are amending the constitution, not changing it

[icant007]

Quote: Stalllker

They don’t write correctly, we are amending the constitution, not changing it

And what is considered a change then?

[Stalllker]

Do you feel the difference, "amending the constitution" and "changing the constitution" ?! A play on words, then they are not interpreted correctly. So they write nonsense about the cancellation of the pension reform, but it will not be canceled and will shout that Putin has deceived everyone again

[icant007]

Quote: Stalllker

Do you feel the difference, "amending the constitution" and "changing the constitution" ?!

The fact of the matter is that I don’t feel the difference. I would be grateful if you explain.

[Stalllker]

Let parents explain

[icant007]

Quote: Stalllker

Let parents explain

Severe man)))

[icant007]

It can be seen that the brains from the ears flow)))

Do you work as a nurse in a madhouse? I’m sorry, I have no more questions.

[AUL]

Quote: Stalllker

Let parents explain

If the amendments do not change anything, then what for is this process? Did your parents not explain this to you?

[businessv]

Quote: Stalllker

They don’t write correctly, we are amending the constitution, not changing it

This does not change the meaning, colleague! The Vanik-Jackson amendment is also just an amendment, but it has changed a lot in the world. These are particulars that can just be neglected.

[Stalllker]

The meaning for certain layers just changes. They will not understand correctly

[businessv]

Quote: Stalllker

The meaning for certain layers just changes. They will not understand correctly

What will they misunderstand, colleague? Making any amendments to any article changes its meaning, and therefore we are talking about nothing. "Certain strata" will vote for the indexation of pensions, for their increase, etc., and not for "amendments" or "changes" to the Constitution! It does not matter what you call the change of articles, it does not change the essence, as I said earlier!

[Stalllker]

This is not about you and me, but about other forest dwellers who will shout about "Putin has deceived us again, the pension reform has not been canceled." Then you will remember my words, it won't be long. And the referendum is a formality, the population of the USSR voted for the conscience of the union, but at the top they did as they liked

[Gardamir]

They say the constitution will increase by 50%. And many amendments change the essence of the Constitution. That is, this is not an amendment, but a new law. But today they are talking about amendments. And in a year they will propose to make April 22 a day off, because this is the day of the new Constitution.

[Stalllker]

Open consultant plus and look at any article, for example, from 2000 to 2005, how many amendments / changes / additions are there, etc.)))

[businessv]

Quote: Gardamir

And many amendments change the essence of the Constitution. That is, this is not an amendment, but a new law.

I talked about this! The amendments change the articles, and therefore the Constitution, so no matter what you call it!

[Revival]

Amendment without change))

[Pytnik]

Rather, "he" will give this answer

[210ox]

What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull ..

[Warrior MorePhoto]

Yeah ... it's like a drop in oil and a "drop in prices" at our gas stations)

[Olegater]

And let's all zero!
And traitors, and theft, and everything negative! Debts for utilities and communal services, as well as prices for all goods and services. Just forget it. Zero out!
To walk, so to walk!
For all!!!!
And let's go down in history as a formatted comp. With pure Windows!
(If that’s humor like that)
And the forum users are too serious, tense. So smile a little.

[Van 16]

I already smiled from the title of the article)) some kind of naive question, we have a one-goal game.

[flicker]

I already smiled from the title of the article)) some kind of naive question, we have a one-goal game.

But I did not smile, the title of the article is provocative, they are trying to link constitutional amendments and pension reform in it, like, remove one of the evils.
Although amendments are not evil - a great blessing (it was high time)
But the "pension reform" - yes, with a minus sign.
But those who bring them to us as two evils are just thimblers. They want to direct the anger from the "pension reform" against the amendments.

[Loess]

Quote: flicker

provocative article title

Pure populism.

[Revival]

Here is the amendment about indexing pensions; this is pure populism.
Some particular question to introduce into the constitution is nonsense.
That they should not be raised without a constitution from a beggarly level, which is a minute-by-minute shame?

[Revival]

The amendments are a continuation of the "pension reform" course

[Insurgent]

Quote: Olegater

let's go down in history as a formatted comp. With pure Windows!

With the old hardware?

"Comp" already barely pulls the "seven", and they are trying to install the "ten" on it ...

Yes, and without cleaning system unit

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Olegater

Just forget it. Zero out! To walk, so to walk!

People will be delighted with "zeroing loans" and "mortgages" ...

[Livonetc]

"Those who go to death greet You!"
We’ll all be there, so why trifle.
Pension can generally be removed.
Old people can live on pasture and engage in subsistence farming.
And as soon as there is no strength, the conscious old man himself must retire to a secluded place to fade away.
In order not to burden great leaders with irrational concerns.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Livonetc

Pension can generally be removed.
Old people can live on pasture and engage in subsistence farming.

According to the same Karelin from EdRa, children should help, and if there are no children, then go die
"I must help dad, and not pass it on to the state. I urge you to stop being in a state of dependents."

[Jcvai]

Formally, much of this is true, but not all. Technically, those who raised their children, brought up, and attended to "raise them on their feet" are already potentially provided with a "pension." Those who, within the framework of their own ego or for other reasons, were not worried about "procreation" - can only rely on themselves. But!!!
If the children died defending the Motherland (do not confuse the army and dangerous production with, for example, an accident due to drunkenness) - accordingly, a pension from the state is due to close relatives. If the "pension tax" is obligatory removed from a person, then a pension from the state is also required. Etc.
Those. the solution (direction) is correct, but directly applying it is incorrect.

[Revival]

How is finding
at the trough extincts previously deserved people in the mud, Karelin, Tereshkova ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Livonetc

... the old man himself must retire to a secluded place to fade away. In order not to burden great leaders with irrational concerns.

And, the "old storyteller" should not leave with his surroundings in a "single" place to fade, so as not to burden with waste and not stir up a clean source of power?

[Zhelezyakin]

In the variable wording of the constitutional chapters there is not a word about pension or privatization. On what basis then to talk about the zeroing of these laws? They will not reset anything.
In the case of the presidential term. Here just zeroing is possible, since the article on this in the constitution is changing. In this case, the phrase about the law as a drawbar is applicable ...

[businessv]

Quote: Zhelezyakin

In the variable wording of the chapters of the constitution, there is not a word about pension or privatization. On what basis then to speak of the nullification of these laws?

IMHO, the author said about the precedent itself - the nullification of the paragraph of the article of the Constitution, because this is "the reverse action of the law", which is unacceptable in jurisprudence!

[businessv]

Quote: Zhelezyakin

The reverse effect of the law is if you have been attracted for a violation for a long time

I’m talking about a specific article - to be elected twice in a row, the proposed amendment to nullify the term cancels its extension to the current president, this is called the reverse effect of the law, because she was directly related to him and was supposed to work in 2024, as well as the amendment now adopted on the two terms of the election. This applies to all jurisprudence, not only criminal, or administrative cases, as you interpret it - too narrowly.

[Zhelezyakin]

Well this is not an interpretation, narrow or wide. This is one example, nothing more.

Regarding amendments. Have you read the text?

"3. One and the same person may not hold the office of President of the Russian Federation for more than two consecutive terms."

Here is the article we are talking about. The only change is that the word "in a row" is removed. Which means that all subsequent presidents will have the opportunity to hold this position for ONLY two terms in their entire life. Well, or until the next referendum. So there you go! There is nothing carp about zeroing the deadlines (about zeroing, one of the diplomats crowed if he does not cheat on me) ...
By the way, the incumbent is on track (i.e., at least one of the terms should already have been set off, this is about the law as a drawbar). There is a maximum of one more term, in case of zeroing, or am I again misinterpreting the term - the law of retroactive force does not exist?

[businessv]

Quote: Zhelezyakin

By the way, the incumbent is on track (i.e., at least one of the terms should already have been set off, this is about the law as a drawbar). There is a maximum of one more term, in case of zeroing, or am I again misinterpreting the term - the law of retroactive force does not exist?

A bit wrong, colleague! According to the amended Constitution, GDP has no right to be elected at all because it has already been elected 4 (four) times, therefore it has no right to be elected either by the old (two consecutive terms), or by the new (only twice) Constitution.

[Revival]

There is no jurisprudence there

[Dynamo]

There it is, sitters from places not so distant, very much interested, do they also have their terms reset?

[cost 75]

Well, yes, to zero so to zero all and all

[Gardamir]

A good zeroing was the law, "Please understand."
I just began to think about the approaching pension. And here once and reset. It feels like I just graduated from high school and again far from retirement.

[AUL]

Quote: Dynamo

There it is, sitters from places not so distant, very much interested, do they also have their terms reset?

And the zeroed girls "with reduced social responsibility" will be virgins?

[Mouse]

if amendments to the Constitution lead to a nullification of the presidential term, does this mean that it will also lead to a nullification, for example, of the law on raising the retirement age?

Do not tell my slippers ...

[snifer]

Yes, they will nullify everything, do not hesitate, and the opinion of the people will also be nullified.

[Retvizan 8]

Oh, who would have reset years for 20-30 years, I would have been figs before retirement and before Putin.

[Mouse]

Oh, who would have reset years for 20-30 years,

And the grass is greener and the sky bluer ...
Where are my seventeen years old? ....

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Let's not torture ourselves with futile fantasies.
In fact, we are witnessing the process of the final destruction of democracy in the Russian Federation. She used to be only in words, but now we see an official refusal.
In fact, the president independently revised the Constitution of the Russian Federation, and did not ask us. A referendum in any form will not decide anything even formally. Which is strange, since for the authorities it was not at all difficult to bring its results to the classic "75% approve."
In other words, we have witnessed the coronation.

[Guillon]

And where did you see democracy in the USA? !!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Gillaton

And where did you see democracy in the USA? !!

Where is she at all?

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Gillaton

And where did you see democracy in the USA? !!

Where is she at all?

George W. Bush assured that there is now democracy in Iraq. And Russia desired the same.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Gillaton

And where did you see democracy in the USA? !!

There, just the father of the nation was almost given a knee in the ass from the presidency. This is democracy. That is, when the ranks and authority in the face of the law do not matter. There, neither the president, nor anyone else, at the suggestion of any local Tereshkova, will touch the constitution with a finger.
Another issue is that in addition to democracy in the United States, very strict laws and rights are strictly linked to obligations. With us, when the police slow you down, you can go out to meet you, be rude and wave your hands and they won’t do anything to you. And in the USA, at best they’ll put a person in the ground, in the worst they can shoot. Because you don’t have to go out and wave your hands.

[Dog]

Quote: Alex_59

There, just the father of the nation was almost given a knee in the ass from the presidency. This is democracy.

And I thought democracy is the power of the people. And there, by voting of a limited circle of people, they tried to remove the president elected by the people. This is something like an oligarchy (minority power), but not like a democracy.
Plus, this is their eternal discrimination of residents of certain states, when their votes weigh less than the votes of residents of other states - this did not stand next to democracy.

PS: I often see Alex-s, on the Internet exposing the wretchedness of our country and the unreal coolness of the lightest states. Does this have anything to do with the naming features of bots on your farm? What is the algorithm there?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

In the United States there is a two-party system that is REALLY gnawing among themselves, and in which the Republicans are happy to smear the Democrats on the wall if they are pierced, and vice versa. And in the United States, you will find a ton of media that support Trump, another mass - which is worth criticizing Trump on, and the third - which is completely violet on Trump. There is far from ideal (those of my friends who lived there tell a lot of unpleasant things), but there is democracy

[Alex_59]

Quote: Dog

Plus, this is their eternal discrimination of residents of certain states, when their votes weigh less than the votes of residents of other states - this did not stand next to democracy

They set up such a system for themselves, they are comfortable with it.
Democracy is also equality. I don’t remember that we have any Kirkorov or deputy, after debauchery or drunk driving, swept the streets or took mocking courses on socialization. And it’s easy for them.

Quote: Dog

I often see Alexs, on the Internet, propagating the wretchedness of our country and the unreal coolness of the lightest states.

Did I say somewhere about the wretchedness of our country? Our country is the best in the world. But we do not have democracy. There is freedom. There is no democracy.

Quote: Dog

Does this have anything to do with the naming features of bots on your farm?

I’m 5 years on this site, I have a dozen articles published here, so I'm not a bot, but you don’t know.

[Dog]

Quote: Alex_59

5 years on this site, I have a dozen articles published here

Then how do you explain the situation with Alex?

Quote: Alex_59

they are satisfied

They have not tried communism, they cannot judge.

Quote: Alex_59

we have no democracy.

So they do not. Democracy in a team of 100 people or more is not possible, it seems to me

[RideMaster]

In America, the president is not a subject, but simply a talking head, we have a subject. And in America they rule the same under different presidents.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Have you been from the USA for a long time? :) I have friends who have lived there for a long time, and so - there is democracy

[RideMaster]

The main thing is not to forget to keep your hands in sight so that the cops do not shoot.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

That's right. As Alexey (Alex59) above absolutely rightly remarked, they have democracy, but freedom is becoming less and less. And less than ours. I wouldn’t go to live in the USA for any kind of carriage, but the fact is that they really have democracy

[Dog]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Have you been from the USA for a long time? :) I have friends who have lived there for a long time, and so - there is democracy

In such cases, I always remember Baba Klara, who lives near Novo-Ogaryovo. So, she claims that Putin does not exist!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

No question, remember what you want. But let me ask you what exactly allows you to believe that there is no democracy in the USA? What is your evidence? :)) Or "I haven't read it, but I condemn it?"

[Dog]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

What is your evidence? :))

The above

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Below, I replied, including a two-stage presidential election system.
As for your discourse on discrimination, take the trouble to explain what you mean. If the primaries - I will laugh for a long time.
Waiting for
And yes, there are about 18 thousand elected posts in a non-democratic United States. So for reference

[AUL]

Quote: Gillaton

And where did you see democracy in the USA? !!

So, I remembered for some reason ...
In the USA, the driver of the presidential car was fined by a local traffic cop who violated the traffic rules by taking their president somewhere ... Our commentator was very indignant that these decaying imperialists had no order!
When the Watergate scandal arose, Nixon left the presidency, although he himself probably did not install bugs in the hotel ...
Just remembered. Of course, what kind of democracy they can have there!

[Revival]

And in the USA sn above, we copy everything under them?
And in Africa people eat, so will we?
Proceed from such logic?

[Jcvai]

Did we ever have democracy? "Democracy is a political system based on the method of collective decision-making with equal influence of the participants on the outcome of the process." We even have the Constitution and other laws selectively operate, let alone equality in decision-making. The socialism of the last century was much closer to "democracy" than the oligarchy of recent decades.

[Alex_59]

Quote: JcVai

Did we ever have democracy?

We have not had democracy since the mid-20s. But we have freedom, it is a fact. For now. We have more freedom than in many Western countries. True, we do not appreciate it.

[flicker]

we are witnessing the process of the final destruction of democracy in the Russian Federation.

First, name the country where there is democracy? With whom (with what) to compare?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

With all the many US flaws, democracy is there

[flicker]

With all the many US flaws, democracy is there

That's where it is not, so it is in the United States. There, the electors vote, the people cast their votes through the electors, and they vote as they want. In the United States, the financial elite rules, there is even no president there.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: flicker

That's where it is not, so it is in the United States. There, the electors vote, the people cast their votes through the electors, and they vote as they want. AT

You are wrong. In the US, there are 2 main parties, Democrats and Republicans, but many others, of little importance. So, when an American comes to the primaries, he chooses one from the list of electors, which includes the electors of all parties. Each specific elector indicates which candidate he will vote for. So there is no "as they want". But if there is some kind of force majeure, and the candidate "falls off", the party will vote for another candidate.
That is, choosing an elector, the American prefers a very specific presidential candidate, but at the same time trusts the party for which the elector he voted to change this decision if something went wrong and the candidate withdrew. The IMHO system is not optimal, but you can’t say that this is not democracy
And yes, in the USA there are about 18 thousand elected posts, and by no means at all two-stage elections :)))

[Alex_59]

Quote: flicker

First, name the country where there is democracy? With whom (with what) to compare?

In the United States or most countries of Europe, there is democracy. There elections may not be 146% per. You can imagine that some senator came to the podium of the senate and wrapped up the speech about the fact that let's leave our beloved Trump in power for another 40 years, otherwise he is so good, and if something goes wrong it is better to be near ? Yes, this is finally some kind of thrash. He will not be applauded there, but will be carried away from the rostrum to a psychiatric hospital.
Truth is not to confuse democracy and freedom. In many cases, the degree of freedom in our country is higher than in the United States and Europe. True, we do not notice and do not appreciate it.

[flicker]

some senator came to the rostrum of the Senate and would have wrapped up the speech about the fact that let's leave our beloved Trump in power for another 40 years,

You have just convincingly proven that there is no democracy in the United States.

let's leave our beloved Trump in power for another 40 years

and if the people say: YES, WANT!
Only no one will ask anything from the people in the USA, for the people are empty places there, they vote there even through electors, the people cannot vote directly for Trump or anyone else. And we can vote directly.
And 146% is a mistake specially created by corrupt technical personnel in order to discredit the election results. We paid the chela a fee, and he made the "mistake".

[Alex_59]

Quote: flicker

You have just convincingly proven that there is no democracy in the United States.

In a normal democracy, any proposal must be justified and the initiator must prove why this proposal is so good, what practical benefit it will bring. With protection from criticism, with numbers and real reasons. Not at the level "we love the president so much, it would be nice if he is there." And at the level of "damage to our interests without accepting this proposal will amount to so many billion rubles, we will lose our reputation, the danger of losing our positions in the world, etc., etc." And no one at the behest will unanimously in the Senate clap their hands and throw their caps into the air, like we do.

Quote: flicker

and if the people say: YES, WANT!

Firstly, he won't say, they are normal there, because they understand that the same old grandfather cannot adequately manage for so many years. And if he does, then again the question will arise "what do you mean we want?" You will want to be in bed at home, but here you need to justify why this is necessary, why it is impossible without it. They used to do it - suddenly you can't live without it.

Quote: flicker

for the people there is an empty place

Is it not empty here? There will be no referendum for amendments to the constitution, is it not clear to you? There will be a day off with a party that does not have legal force. There will not even be observers.

vote there even through electors

They decided that such a system suits them. Personally, I consider her vicious and strange, but they are satisfied.

Pay attention - in the USA for 300 years there has never been any radical upheavals similar to our 17th or 91st year. And both times we had these shocks when before that there was an irreplaceable power for a long time. There were a lot of things in the USA, there were both depressions and wars, but so that "it collapsed by itself" never happened.

[flicker]

Well you give

In normal democracy

at the beginning they just talked about democracy, after you brilliantly proved that there is no democracy in the USA, you came up with a "normal" democracy
And then you come up with MEGanormal democracy.

and if the people say: YES, WANT!

First of all, they are not normal.

How do you define normality?

for the people there is an empty place
Is it not empty here?

We vote directly, and not through electors.

Please note - in the USA for 300 years there have never been any radical upheavals similar to our 17th or 91st year.

So there is no immunity from shocks - they will die immediately. Amen.

[Alex_59]

Quote: flicker

How do you define normality?

Normality is determined by the laws of nature and the laws of physics. In nature, any phenomenon that does not undergo regular updates dies. In nature, creatures that failed to win in the competition - die. Thus, the need for renewability and competition for development and a successful life can be considered an axiom. Can we find confirmation of these axioms in human society? Yes! Offhand - most of the countries where there is no competition and renewal of power either periodically burst (USSR, RI), or people eat grass there (North Korea). Countries in which there is competition and a change of power also sometimes burst and experience shocks, but not so fatal, and most importantly, in the country's world leaders with such a device. But dictatorships are not visible there at all, not one. The USSR jumped into the lead, but not for long.
And there is no need to recall China here - there is a dictatorship of sanity, but competition has long been working on the applied level. And they also change the chairman of their party regularly. Every 10-12 years (count two typical presidential terms).

Quote: flicker

We vote directly, and not through electors

I think this is correct.

Quote: flicker

So there is no immunity from shocks, they will die immediately.

Until they die.

[flicker]

Thus, the need for renewability and competition for development and a successful life can be considered an axiom.

Eka you bent.
We started with nature (the concept is quite broad - it is natural, but artificial), it must be assumed natural, some laws have been singled out and transferred to artificial nature - society.
Now about development: in natural nature, this is evolution (the truth does not apply to all nature, but only to the biological part and even not all). Even for this part, renewability is not a development factor, such a factor is learning arising in a biological organism as a result of its interaction with the environment. Under the influence of the environment, the body is forced to change its behavior, and a change in behavior requires a change in body organization. These bodily changes are fixed at the genetic level and the new generation receives new bodily organs more suitable for adaptation to the environment.
Those. development is affected not by renewal, but by learning (and in society, learning). Learning (learning) is only possible in life. A renewal rather inhibits the development of society. Since the new individual does not have the experience and knowledge of his parent, he only has to begin (and subsequently continue) the development path.
Renewability does not occur because development slows down, but when the body as a whole wears out (and therefore is not capable of not only learning, but also elementary functioning.
Competition certainly contributes more to development, but not directly, but through motivation.
Conclusion: development does not depend on updatability and does not depend critically on competition.

[flicker]

Countries in which there is competition and a change of power also sometimes burst and experience shocks, but not so fatal, and most importantly, in the country's world leaders with such a device.

Ukraine?

[Revival]

Well, for starters, imagine the situation in the usa:
Trump came out in the morning and says he’ll extend his term to 6 years and everyone applauds.
Here are the deadlines for myself to zero and everyone applauds and accepts.
Really like that?

[flicker]

Trump came out in the morning and says he’ll extend his term to 6 years and everyone applauds.
Here are the deadlines for myself to zero and everyone applauds and accepts.
Really like that?

Who is he talking to? To the people?
So the people do not elect him. He is elected by the electors.
And the electors do not fulfill the wishes of the people, but the instructions of the US financial elite. And who should Trump turn to, the financial elite?

[Revival]

And what about the people? Consciously of course ...

[businessv]

And if the Constitution is updated, if it is going to consolidate the supremacy of domestic Russian legislation over international, it turns out that we are at least discussing the issue of reviewing the results of that act.

Moreover, the axiom that "the Law of the reverse motion does not have" becomes debatable, especially since this is the Basic Law! If you set it to zero, everything is at its maximum !? Give me a revision of everything !? I think that our silver carps need only zeroing one point, for them this is very critical - who knows what to expect from a new broom?

[Gardamir]

Oh, author, author. Zero only the terms of sitting in power. Well, more information about Valina’s real estate suddenly nullified. As for the people, it is not a servile matter to have an opinion.

[flicker]

As for the people, it’s not a servile affair to have an opinion

And if your opinion is mistaken and threatens the country? The country is where the people lived before us, where we as part of the people live now, where we must live after us.
I remember how in the beginning of 90 miners pounded helmets (expressed their opinion!) And under these knocks the country collapsed.
It’s great when you have an opinion, even better when this opinion accurately reflects the situation.
And if the opinion is wrong?

[Revival]

And if they mistakenly?

[Kisa]

THEM mistakenly does not happen.
Pay dues and stinks calmly

[flicker]

And if they mistakenly?

Maybe that's why they give the opportunity to vote in a referendum. Those. decision must be collective.

[Revival]

There is no referendum

[Honest Citizen]

The authorities cynically, handing out handouts, write a constitution for themselves. She does not care about the real opinion of the people. Our country is sliding into feudal capitalism - the most disgusting thing that can be. I wouldn't be surprised if the next step is to give out "shower to the gentlemen".

[Dog]

Quote: Honest Citizen

I wouldn't be surprised if the next step is to give out "shower to the gentlemen".

I wanted to tell an anecdote about this, but laws now do not order such anendotes to tell.

[flicker]

If canceling the presidential term, then canceling the law on raising the retirement age?

There is a likelihood of canceling the decision to increase the retirement age and it is quite high - and without relatively amending the constitution.
Amendments to the constitution are perceived by the population more than positively, and zeroing the deadlines causes even greater approval (this is from communicating with people).
Another thing is that you should not connect these two topics (supposedly both with a minus sign).
Pension reform - yes, with a minus sign.
Amendments to the constitution - with a plus sign (it was high time)
Zeroing deadlines for Putin - with a plus sign (I’m really saying that people felt relieved)
Once again, the probability of canceling pension reform is quite high.

[Honest Citizen]

Zeroing deadlines for Putin - with a plus sign (I’m really saying that people felt relieved)

Did you take this out from the EdR party meeting?
Among my acquaintances there is not a single person who would not call Tereshkova's speech and the "zeroing" of the presidency an abomination.
PySy. Personally, I have nothing to do with Navalny, as well as EkhoMoskva and other Soros.

[flicker]

Did you take this out from the EdR party meeting?

Never entered any parties.
Among your friends

there is not a single person who would not call Tereshkova's speech and the "zeroing" of the presidency an abomination.

And among your friends there are those who want the "end of the rashka"?
If not, then everything is not so bad!
If you and your friends are worried about the fate of the country, and fate (for many different reasons) is tied to Putin’s personality (elite consensus), then why endanger the country at the time of extremely high international instability?
The question is not: Putin or not Putin, but is to be Russia or not to be?
Z.Y. Moreover, this is not only our problem, almost all states today are faced with this choice. Everything is very fragile. Why do we need anutrielitic feuds in this situation?

[Honest Citizen]

If you and your friends are worried about the fate of the country, and fate (for many different reasons) is tied to Putin’s personality (elite consensus), then why endanger the country at the time of extremely high international instability?

There will always be extremely high instability in the world. Will Putin always be? Is it not eternal, or do you have a recipe for eternal youth?

The question is not: Putin or not Putin, but is to be Russia or not to be?

There will be Russia, but without Putin and his gang from the Ozero cooperative.

Why do we need anutrielitic feuds in this situation?

Are you fooling around or don't you understand? The issue of internal political strife has ALWAYS been and will be. Well, leave you Putin-this is not a solution to the problem, this is a delay in solving. Do you understand this?
Or do you hope, like the current elite, that after us at least a flood?
Now, as for my friends. Among my acquaintances, they are exclusively patriots of their country, do not confuse with the Maydan patriots who are fools and haters.

[flicker]

Well, leave you Putin - this is not a solution to the problem, this is a delay in the solution. Do you understand this?

Quite the contrary, often deferment allows you to solve the problem.

There will always be extremely high instability in the world.

"Always" there is no "edge". Where there is one edge, there is always a second edge. And where the edges are, there is necessarily a middle. So the world will NOT always be extremely volatile.

[Honest Citizen]

Quite the contrary, often deferment allows you to solve the problem.

I sometimes get the impression that on April 22 there will be no vote on amendments to the Constitution, but a vote of no confidence in the president.
Let the GDP calmly rule until 2024, I did not hear something screaming about the immediate change of power, but then let him retire. Not to the State Council, not "zeroing", but a pension.
So the problem can be solved in 4 years if you want to solve it.

[flicker]

Let the GDP calmly rule until 2024, I have not heard the screams about an immediate change of power, but then let him retire. Not to the State Council, not "zeroing", but a pension.
So the problem can be solved in 4 years if you want to solve it.

Are you ready to take responsibility for the FATE of RUSSIA?
You just have a poor idea of ​​what is happening in the world. Now the situation for world stability is worse than it was during the WWII period.
The world is entering a state of turbulence, i.e.
BESPORA DKA!
Not a part of the world, but the whole!
In such situations, internal stability is extremely important, which (in principle, in any country) depends on the consensus of the elites; in our country it is Putin’s personality.
If we maintain stability, we will win a lot.

[Honest Citizen]

Are you ready to take responsibility for the FATE of RUSSIA?

So I do not propose myself as president.

You just have a poor idea of ​​what is happening in the world.

So enlighten me. And not common phrases - the world comes in, comes out ...

If we maintain stability, we will win a lot.

So we keep the corruption of Putin's friends? The impoverishment of the population? Further "optimization"?
By personalities - who will win a lot?

[flicker]

So enlighten me. And not common phrases - the world comes in, comes out ...

Normally, think of the coronavirus, look at what is happening on the stock markets - they are all flying down, and the whole world economy has rested on them for the last decades (huge money was secured by nothing there) ... now bankruptcy will follow one by one and this just the beginning.

[Honest Citizen]

There was swine flu, bird ...
First time markets fall?
What does Putin have to do with it?

[flicker]

There was swine flu, bird ...
First time markets fall?
What does Putin have to do with it?

Yes, okay, don’t worry, the time will come.

[Revival]

Oh, well, they made fun!
Relief people felt? This is why?

[Stalnov I.P.]

Conversely, with the face of the secretary of the party committee of the collective farm, the leader will express himself, a lot of water and no specifics of promises, jerks, fairy tales, and everything was so in 2000, in 2008, in 2012, and things are still there. A slave in galleys, galoshes, the USSR, war, sanctions, demographic failure, all these are the culprits of the poor state of our economy, and now the culprits will be oil, gas. Or maybe it is better to look at yourself in the mirror or like A. Krylov: , all are not suitable for musicians ", as accurately and beautifully, fully reflects our realities.

[bald]

And who wanted her, m thought up the people ?! excuse me and see how the factions fight for their places - the whole thought of the parasha was and is. I officially zaevayut, though it's hard here -....

[Hypatius]

Yes, that little things. It is necessary to nullify the draft constitution of 1993, because it is illegitimate. The change of the Constitution of 1977-78 to another is carried out by 2/3 of the vote, and not 50 +%. And not a poll-plebescite-popular discussion-decrees of residents. De jure, the Constitution of the RSFSR acts on a par with the constitution-charter of the management company of the Russian Federation.

[Kisa]

You’re shaking the air here indignantly ... But how do you see such a reality in changing the constitution or at least be outraged ... 50 people went out to express their nudes. This is not the first time they have bent, and now they are shaking us. At VO everyone is sure that 80% of the votes needed in April have already been collected ...

[Tank jacket]

An interesting statement of the question. Lawyers are ...

[Revival]

There are lawyers if you are about the adoption of the 1993 constitution.
There was a battle on this ...
Not legally accepted

[rocket757]

The subject of amendments to the Constitution continues to be actively discussed both among experts and among ordinary citizens of the country.

yes sho there to discuss ... "servants of the people" have already realized that they are doing well, and the officials, the rich are no worse !!! Everything is DECIDED, ok!

[DNS-a42]

"Zeroing" the results of privatization is possible only if capitalism is "zeroed" in Russia.

[16112014nk]

There is no turnout threshold. Putin and Tereshkova will come - that's it, the elections have taken place. 100% - for.

[rotkiv04]

You are all evil, Putin will be offended and will leave

[Avior]

. if amendments to the Constitution lead to a nullification of the presidential term, does this mean that it will also lead to a nullification, for example, of the law on raising the retirement age?

Will result.
Presidential experience from scratch will begin to count, and retirement also from scratch.
All experience prior to amendments canceled

[qQQQ]

Quote: Avior

Presidential experience from scratch will begin to count, and retirement also from scratch.
All experience prior to amendments canceled

An interesting statement of the question, the main thing is not to shout it out loud, otherwise our guardians will start talking about our welfare of the people, they will take it and, at the numerous requests of the working people, will approve it.

[Was mammoth]

The answers are known to infants.
No, "What fell from the cart is gone." Putin has spoken about this many times. Regarding the pension reform - announced by the authorities, a return to the old age is possible. If to myself abandon state social obligations and go to a non-state fund. And, there - "as the card will fall," according to the country's richest experience - "sandwich down."
They didn’t start privatization and pension reform in order to return the “acquired by back-breaking labor”.
Yes, if the political course pursued by Putin changes. But, this is from science fiction.

[Alexey from Perm]

maybe lower the price of gasoline?

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Alexey from Perm

maybe lower the price of gasoline?

Would you like a cookie? Free cheese in a mousetrap

[vanavatny]

vile farce ...

[Grandfather Crimea]

Yes, Uzhzhasny cars are waiting for you))))))

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Dynamo

By posting this photo, I clearly understand

What became a slave to hypertrophied conceit.
I’m disappointing: I didn’t rest against anyone, nor did SRES in the Czech Republic. Later, it may be demolished, depending on the behavior.

[Qwertyarion]

. what will it lead to the nullification, for example, of the law on raising the retirement age?

The author with humor ...

[Romario_Argo]

I don’t understand why not to introduce a system (+) and (-) for publications on VO
Dear moderator - think over the proposal (!)
there are still more patriots here
* This is my attitude on the topic to this article (!)

[Qwertyarion]

It is impossible. For example, the theme of Ukraine will go immediately to a big minus .....
I'm tired of it very ...

[ultra]

There used to be such an opportunity.

[Romario_Argo]

maybe then the articles will be more informative, and not in the form of spam, as yesterday the S-400 regiment where, where, how much .... stupidly repost from the site was made with us - maybe they have it there
But, in that we love ourselves (!)

[ultra]

I will vote against constitutional amendments. And naturally, I am against any tricks to keep Putin in power after 24 years.

[Honest Citizen]

You are not the only one here. I will also vote against.
I would not like a batch vote, but on points. But do the Wishlist ordinary citizen bar hear their thoughts? They have more important matters, to cut the budget, to launch a hand in the NWF ...

[Romario_Argo]

and I will vote for Uncle Vova and his course on the revival of a superpower (!)

[RideMaster]

I’ll vote for it too.

[Grandfather Crimea]

Interestingly, and such a turn of affairs (as the questions raised in the article) did not come into the brightest minds of analysts under the chairmen? ! ))))
No?
Whereas in the fairy tale about Ivan the Fool (many of them are folded among our people), the king is screaming, knocking with his foot and poking a finger into the serfs - you are stink! tangled the coast, in oooostrog, on the coool! What a bastard!
Do not forget about the Donbass - the first revolutionaries also wanted people's republics, reprivatization, etc. ... Where are these poor fellows now? They are certainly heroes, but unfortunately posthumously.
Liberal capital will not hold a revolution from above .A PVV is a liberal.

[Yurahip]

This man encroached on the most sacred constitution, and there it is written ...

[Dmitry Zverev]

I don’t know who is there and how in the Russian government, I’m not an expert in this, but I need to disperse the State Duma for sure, there is no sense in them, incompetent people who receive public money for free.
As an example, I can bring that moron who from the Communist Party leaked to the Duma, and then fled to Ukraine and someone shot him there.

[faterdom]

In a new interview video, the President revealed a big secret: he is jarred from the shelves of top managers of state-owned companies by a million a day or more ... Well, the more, the more jarring ...
But he is a strong man - he suffers, because foreign specialists are attracted, of high price and qualifications, and, accordingly, their chief executives need to pay more (not looking, of course, on qualifications and successes, just so they won’t be offended).
Isn't it a shame to him, well, by chance, when some business captains say: "Whoever doesn't have a billion, everyone goes to ...!" Or does he still have a billion, and this and he, too, were sent by the mortified "elitists"?
But nothing else 140 million too sad? And also warps? Or is it not considered?
As K. Prutkov used to say

K. Prutkov, thought No. 33. And Einstein had superiors, and Faraday, and Popov .... but for some reason no one remembers them. This is a violation of subordination!

[Romario_Argo]

it is jarred from the shelves of top managers of state-owned companies by a million a day or more ...

it's all the FIU to blame.
with a salary of more than 600 rubles, there is a rate of 000 in the FIU, which is even less than 58600%
usually 22%
those. the rich pay pay not 43,2% (40,2 under GPC agreements) - but about 30%
- which is more profitable than cashing out (Federal Law 115)

[reservist]

and no one is even going to cover this "raspberry" ...
there are many who recall the progressive tax
and for starters, it would be just a regressive taxation (when the rich pay less than the poor) to remove ...

[BREAKTHROUGH READY]

How tired already is this begging of beggars about pensions. You can’t think of anything except your profit. In the Great Patriotic War, such quickly passed to the German, if they gave rations richer.
Better rejoice that the good Vladimir Vladimirovich would rule the country, otherwise I would have completely canceled pensions in his place.
Not saving budget money for the sake of it, but simply out of principle. Maybe even then marginals will remember personal pride and dignity

[Varyag71]

Let it cancel, I personally favor, only on the condition that people do not pay any more taxes.

[ZVS]

I think so that then all presidential decrees are subject to zero. This is normal logic. But our president will not go for it. Today he says one thing, and tomorrow he does the opposite.

[faterdom]

In general, I personally think that Putin himself does not really want to work these fifth or sixth terms in this post.
But whole strata of the "elite" are shaking, which with his departure shines the loss of a feeding trough, at least, or even a detailed study of their activities and results. All sorts of Millers, Zubkov-Serdyukov, Medvedev-Matvienko, Mutko-Kudrins-Grefs-Nabiulins, and Chubais, of course. They are scared, and I understand them ...
It was already in history: Brezhnev no longer had the strength or desire to lead, but the "associates" did not allow him to leave - while he at least formally "exists" - they are in office, but still 1982 came. And away we go ...

[Adyuga]

If they add an amendment to zero, then unfortunately I will vote against the changes

[aglet]

Quote: Honest Citizen

You are not the only one here. I will vote against

it has already been noted above about the electoral commission, so do not strain especially

[7,62x54]

The Kremlin people, led by the Dear Leader, have long ago reset all social achievements inherited from the late USSR. Freaks with the Constitution cherry on the cake. Although something tells me, this is not the last surprise from the sleeve.

[sleeve]

And what kind of jokes, memes and grumbling about zeroing do you know?
In fact, all this noise he is somehow supportive and loyal, they say, "Look what our all-powerful boiled it out, well done!" And as it should be now in the stand Ape falls on this structure with re-election and zeroing will be everything. The retirement period, patriotism, the price of gasoline, the length and breadth of everything and everything, in short, anything with a number that can be reduced to zero. Well, let it go. The good autocrats, beloved by the people, are simply supposed to be belly. This makes politics a family affair and the country a home.

[Maks1995]

What are you worried about!
In the advanced part of Africa, we have accumulated a lot of experience in the Reaped Presidency, the Lifetime Senatorial, and the pensions. There were the Fathers of Nations, and even the Winners of America.

So everyone will consider, they will hand it out to everyone !!

[Esaul]

I agree to nullify Putin’s 20 years of rule, but only if he receives 20 years in prison in return

[roofing hedgehog]

yes, the pension law completely killed the faith in their entire talking room, along with all the elections and referenda ..

[impostor]

In the mind, it’s not so good to use slavery in the 21st century. Especially in the navy.

[sgr291158]

All these amendments will not give the people anything.

[Wizzzard]

Quote: Gardamir

A good zeroing was the law, "Please understand."

I would add one more vital law: There is no time to rock up and never will be!

[Brigadier]

"If canceling the presidential term, then canceling the law on raising the retirement age?"

What are you doing? Do you want Putin's heart attack?