Speech by an Altai deputy on constitutional amendments: Putin recognizes the need for an authoritarian system


In our country, an active discussion of the proposed amendments to the Constitution continues. Against the backdrop of virtually “unified” approval by government officials of the initiatives taken, including the initiative to “nullify” the presidential term, voices are heard from those politicians who are not afraid to call a spade a spade.


One of these politicians is the representative of the Communist Party, the head of the Communist Party faction in the Altai legislative assembly, Maria Prusakova.

Taking the floor during the meeting of the regional assembly of deputies, Maria Prusakova spoke about what is proposed as amendments to the Basic Law. The Altai parliamentarian began by recalling the words of Vladimir Putin from 2012:

"If I considered totalitarianism or authoritarianism preferable for our country, I would just change the Constitution." Based on this, we state for today that Vladimir Vladimirovich recognizes that we need an authoritarian or totalitarian system of our state.

The first secretary of the Altai Territory of the Communist Party of the Communist Party notes the strangeness even in the system of voting on amendments. According to her, we have discussed the renaming of airports for six months, and people vote individually, and for some reason, it is proposed to vote for the amendments to the Constitution in a batch version.

Speech by an Altai deputy on constitutional amendments: Putin recognizes the need for an authoritarian system


Maria Prusakova:

It turns out that what the Sheremetyevo Airport will be called is more important to us than what we will have in the Constitution?

The Altai parliamentarian notes that we must frankly admit: many amendments are, in fact, dummies and duplicate federal laws and acts. For example, it is noted that legislation has long spelled out that marriage in Russia is an equal union of a man and a woman.

Maria Prusakova:

So let's write in the Constitution that two, two, four, that air is air ...

The deputy of the regional legislative assembly says that truly significant proposals for amendments have been noted. For example, we are talking about the refusal to introduce amendments to the fixing of retirement age into the voting package.

Speech by Maria Prusakova:

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  1. kostik1301 13 March 2020 08: 22 New
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    WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Svarog 13 March 2020 08: 26 New
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      Quote: kostik1301
      WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      There would be more of such deputies ... someone must stop crazy whims .. and he also wants to take off the criminal responsibility from himself .. here he will go for a walk then ...
      1. Malyuta 13 March 2020 08: 34 New
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        Many people understand what is happening, but do not want to call a spade a spade. Conducting the current "vote" is a screen of attempts to legitimize the fable in the Russian Federation. Just as you say, a referendum and a “vote” are two different things. In principle, there is only one question: "Do you agree that the current president would become the life ruler of the Russian Federation? Yes or No?" But everything else is husk, which has no meaning.
        1. Fat
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          Quote: Malyuta
          Do you agree that the current president would become the life ruler of the Russian Federation? Yes or No? "But everything else is husk, which has no meaning.

          I consider Tereshkova’s proposal a provocation, and how beautifully you are being led into it, that together with the mud you spill out famously the baby. The only thing is that for the set of amendments issued by the Duma, it is CATEGORALLY not possible to vote with a list (package).
          It will be a bad ... contract.
          1. Malyuta 13 March 2020 10: 12 New
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            Quote: Thick
            I consider Tereshkova’s proposal a provocation, and how beautifully you are being led into it, that together with the mud you spill famously

            You can consider anything and whatever. But Tereshkovsky’s proposals were accepted by dui, now they will approve in the Federation Council and the president will sign it. What a fick provocation?
            And what kind of package and their acceptance-rejection are all talking about? All these goat dances, in principle, are not legitimate and any second-year lawyer will tell you about this.
            1. Genry 13 March 2020 10: 45 New
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              Communists .... Communists. Oh, these ....
              After the collapse of the USSR, under their totalitarian rule, they now strive for the collapse of Russia.
              They were then called the commercial party .... And now they behave similarly to the liberals. A single source of funding ???
              1. flicker 13 March 2020 11: 42 New
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                Communists .... Communists. Oh, these ....
                After the collapse of the USSR, under their totalitarian rule, they now strive for the collapse of Russia.
                They were then called the commercial party .... And now they behave similarly to the liberals. A single source of funding ???
                Yes, it has long been NOT the Communists. The source of funding is ONE - everything is correctly noticed. They are also uniform manuals.
                AMENDMENTS STATING THE SUPREME OF THE RUSSIAN LAWS OVER INTERNATIONAL (for a Communist deputy !!!) is not needed !!!
                1. Icarus 14 March 2020 22: 17 New
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                  flickering (Nikolai). AMENDMENTS STATING THE SUPREME OF THE RUSSIAN LAWS OVER INTERNATIONAL (for a Communist deputy !!!) is not needed !!!

                  Evidence please to the studio that amendments to the supremacy of Russian laws over international principles and norms have been introduced into the constitution. In this case, carefully read Part 4 of Art. 15 of the Constitution, which does not change, and which is not entitled to change by decision of the president, the Duma, the Federation Council, the "people's plebiscite", for this it is necessary to hold a constitutional assembly.
                  1. flicker 14 March 2020 23: 20 New
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                    Evidence please to the studio that amendments to the rule of Russian laws over international principles and norms have been introduced into the constitution

                    Did you just write it? Are you not reading anything at all?
                    "So, the essence of the changes (for each article below):


                    Creation of federal territories with the appointment of local authorities;

                    Prohibition of actions aimed at changing the border of the Russian Federation;

                    Added paragraph on the succession of the USSR;

                    Added mention of God, protection of historical truth, recognition of children as the most important asset, setting the priority of family education;

                    Establishment of the Russian language as a state-building, recognition of the culture of the Russian Federation as a unique heritage;

                    Introducing a provision on the identity of the culture of peoples, consolidating the protection of the rights and support of compatriots abroad;

                    Establishing the possibility of accommodating certain authorities outside Moscow;

                    Extension of authority of Russian departments;

                    The inclusion of agriculture and youth policy in the conduct of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, the addition of a clause on the protection of the family and motherhood;

                    Remuneration of labor not less than a living wage, indexation of pensions at least 1 time per year, indexation of social benefits;

                    Creating conditions for the country's economic growth, increasing trust between the state and citizens;

                    Toughening requirements for the highest official of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation and executive authorities;

                    Priority of the Constitution of the Russian Federation over international law;

                    Strengthening international peacekeeping
                    1. Icarus 14 March 2020 23: 23 New
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                      Read and be surprised: http://duma.gov.ru/news/48045/
                      1. Golovan Jack 14 March 2020 23: 27 New
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                        Quote: Icarus
                        be surprised

                        Surprised:

                        Article 79

                        The Russian Federation may participate in interstate associations and transfer to them part of its powers in accordance with international treaties of the Russian Federation, if this does not entail restrictions on the rights and freedoms of man and citizen and does not contradict the foundations of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation. Decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation, contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, are not subject to enforcement in the Russian Federation. ";

                        As I understand it, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation will decide whether, for example, the next decision of the next foreign court of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Not this way?
                      2. Icarus 14 March 2020 23: 38 New
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                        You misunderstand. Carefully read and remove the noodles from the ears. “Decisions of interstate bodies” are, for example, the Council of the CIS and the like. But nothing like the “Foreign Court”, which is not a body of the state association of which Russia is a member.
                      3. Golovan Jack 14 March 2020 23: 47 New
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                        Quote: Icarus
                        You misunderstand

                        Perhaps I’m not a lawyer in any place.

                        Quote: Icarus
                        "Foreign court" which not a body of a state associationwhich Russia is a member of

                        Um ... let me doubt it: the same court in The Hague (aka the Permanent Court of Arbitration) is "an intergovernmental organization that provides the international community with various dispute resolution services." Not this way?

                        By the way, the amendment refers to "interstate associations".

                        Quote: Icarus
                        remove the noodles from the ears

                        Accurate wink

                        Quote: Icarus
                        carefully read Art. fifteen

                        I read it repeatedly and carefully. Why are you doing this? I do not understand request
                    2. Icarus 14 March 2020 23: 39 New
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                      Now carefully read Art. 15 and compare it with Art. 79.
                  2. flicker 14 March 2020 23: 35 New
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                    Read carefully :
                    Article 79

                    The Russian Federation may participate in interstate associations and transfer to them part of its powers in accordance with international treaties of the Russian Federation, if this does not entail restrictions on the rights and freedoms of man and citizen and does not contradict the foundations of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation. Decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation, contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, shall not be enforced in the Russian Federation. ”;
                  3. Icarus 14 March 2020 23: 44 New
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                    Read carefully. "Decisions of interstate bodies." That is, decisions of supranational bodies into which the Russian Federation entered voluntarily,. For example, the CIS Council. But neither is it a "foreign court." Art. 15 of the Constitution remains unchanged.
                  4. flicker 15 March 2020 00: 01 New
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                    And the "foreign court" is like, the international Hague court?
                    It is precisely this amendment that will allow us not to comply with those decisions of international courts that would contradict: the rights and freedoms of Russian citizens and the Russian constitution.
                    Just calmly and carefully read.
                  5. Icarus 15 March 2020 00: 19 New
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                    Art. 79 did not change anything or add essentially, without removing the priority of general principles. So, the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation has already issued a decision - Decision of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation of July 14.07.2015, 21 N 11-P, that it is possible not to execute the decision of the ECHR if it is contrary to the Constitution, provided that the Constitutional Court has given such an explanation. So all these amendments to the Constitution, except for amendments on the delimitation of power, including the presidential one, are a screen. With the State Council, too, got excited. But then, apparently, they prompted the administration about Art. XNUMX of the Constitution, according to which State power in the Russian Federation is exercised by the President of the Russian Federation, the Federal Assembly (Council of the Federation and the State Duma), the Government of the Russian Federation, and the courts of the Russian Federation. As we see the State Council there is no place. Therefore, the GDP and spoke about the inadmissibility of "dual power." But in reality, there can be no diarchy according to the constitution, there are only these indicated bodies of state power, among which there is no state council.
                  6. Golovan Jack 15 March 2020 00: 32 New
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                    Quote: Icarus
                    Art. 79 didn’t change anything or add essentially without removing the priority of general principles

                    Zadolbalo. Read carefully:

                    The generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system.

                    Well, and let yourself be, so, no? This does not impose any obligations ...

                    If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes rules other than those provided by law, that international treaty rules apply

                    On the highlighted - please pay Special attention yes

                    There is no "priority" by default, it, damn it, is conditional. And Art. 79 will make it possible to recognize as insignificant, generally speaking, any decision that does not suit the Russian Federation. A la USA laughing

                    If this is not clear, then here I am powerless request
                  7. flicker 15 March 2020 00: 39 New
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                    This is an amendment, not a cancellation.
                    The amendment introduces an addition, the essence of which under the conditions:
                    if it does not entail ...
                    и
                    Decisions of interstate bodies ... in their interpretation contrary to Constitution of the Russian Federation, not enforceable In Russian federation.";
                  8. Icarus 15 March 2020 17: 45 New
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                    I answer you, "Flicker". In paragraph 1 of Art. 15 of the Constitution contains: "The Constitution of the Russian Federation has the highest legal force, direct effect and applies throughout the Russian Federation. Laws and other legal actsadopted in the Russian Federation should not contradict the Constitution of the Russian Federation. "Other legal acts include international treaties and decisions of any government bodies (including interstate ones). Therefore, the Constitutional Court, even before amendments, had the right to interpret the provisions of the Constitution as inconsistent constitution any legal acts extending jurisdiction over the territory of Russia, which the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation used (rarely) Article 79 (as amended) does not supplement the previous priority of the Co . Prostitution over international law and could not add, as in Article 16 of the Constitution provides: ".1. The provisions of this chapter of the Constitution constitute the foundations of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation and cannot be changed otherwise than in the manner established by this Constitution.
                    2. No other provisions of this Constitution may contradict the foundations of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation
                    ". Thus, it is possible to amend (supplement) Article 15 only through the constitutional assembly (Article 135 of the Constitution), and not by amending other articles of the Constitution.
                  9. flicker 15 March 2020 18: 06 New
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                    Laws and other legal acts adopted in the Russian Federation

                    Other legal acts include international treaties and decisions of any government bodies (including interstate ones).
                    Your mistake is that "to other legal acts" in this article 15 refers acts adopted in Russia, and not interstate (!!!)
                    It also expressly states: "Laws and other legal acts, accepted in the Russian Federation "
                    Erroneous conclusions follow from this error of yours.
                  10. Icarus 15 March 2020 18: 32 New
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                    And where will such acts be applied and how? Apparently on the territory of the Russian Federation (outside the territory of the Russian Federation, we need these acts to the lantern). In this case, the Constitution, which has the highest legal force, is included. Then the Constitutional Court, on the basis of Art. 15, may decide that a specific legal act is not enforceable in Russia. It is another matter if Russia joins, for example, a confederation with Belarus, without adopting the new Constitution of the union state, and gives the Central Bank (or other sovereign authority) to Minsk. Then in this case you will be right. But until this happened, and it won’t happen, especially without the adoption of the new Constitution of the union state. The essence of our dispute was originally that you suggested that, subject to the amendments, the Constitution will take precedence over international law. I insist that it exists in Russia. Hypothetical delegation of powers of Russia to interstate bodies (read partial renunciation of sovereignty), which will issue acts to be executed outside of Russia, as provided for in art. 79 (in the new edition) looks fantastic and would be unreasonable for Russia. And everyone has typos. I do not want to look for them at Golovan, since I have something else to do.
                  11. flicker 15 March 2020 19: 53 New
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                    You suggested that, subject to the amendments, the Constitution will take precedence over international law. I insist that it exists in Russia
                    No one forbids you, insist, only this does not change the essence.
                    Article 15, part 4.
                    4. The universally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If the international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes other rules than those provided for by law, the rules of the international treaty are applied.
                    It is clearly stated here that: if ... then the rules of the international treaty will apply.
                    But you can continue to "insist", though your perseverance would not help us in international courts.
                    After the adoption of the amendment (the amendment is not a cancellation of part 4 of Article 15, but only an addition to it), an international treaty will take precedence over the Russian constitution only if there are several CONDITIONS, namely:
                    a) if it does not entail the restrictions on the rights and freedoms of man and citizen and does not contradict the foundations of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation.
                    b) Decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation contrary to Constitution of the Russian Federation, not enforceable In Russian federation.";
                    Those. The Constitutional Court of Russia has the right to evaluate and render its verdict as to whether the international norms violate the rights and freedoms of a Russian citizen, or whether it contradicts the constitutional foundations.
                    If he considers that they are being violated, this exempts our citizens and subjects of international treaties from their implementation.
                    Z.Y. Do not try to look for any loopholes to justify your erroneous position.
                  12. Icarus 15 March 2020 20: 17 New
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                    You are mistaken, because you are considering the norms of the Constitution without taking into account their systemic relationship. And international treaties (which do not have priority over the Constitution on the basis of clause 1 of article 15, and which have priority over laws other than the Constitution (clause 4 of article 15), and any other legal acts whoever and wherever they are were not accepted if they contradict the Constitution, on the territory of the Russian Federation they are not subject to application on the basis of the decisions of the Constitutional Court, since only this court has the right to give an official interpretation of the Constitution. court, Russia can denounce them, including the return of delegated authority to the interstate body.The new version of Article 79 - “dead” (“dust in the eyes”) and did not provide any new priority to the Constitution (with the exception of the fantastic situation - Russia's refusal to part of its sovereignty , subject to the execution of a legal act outside the territory of the Russian Federation).
                  13. Icarus 15 March 2020 20: 23 New
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                    If you follow your logic that international treaties currently take precedence over the Constitution, then the Decree of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation of July 14.07.2015, 21 N XNUMX-P is illegal, as it allows non-performance of an international treaty.
                  14. flicker 15 March 2020 21: 48 New
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                    If you follow your logic
                    then in the beginning you should read everything carefully. By the way, if you did not catch the point the first time, then read the second time ... the third.
                    In short, there it is that we are obliged to comply with our international obligations, even if it does not suit us.
                    Another thing, when we took them (obligations), then understood them in a certain way (with which they agreed). But then we (the authors of international norms and principles) became their interpret otherwise than when we signed them.
                    And although the new interpretation These norms and principles contradicted the existing legislation, we were obliged to comply with them.
                    That is why the condition appeared in the amendment: in their interpretation, contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, are not enforceable In Russian federation.
    2. Golovan Jack 15 March 2020 00: 20 New
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      The term "foreign court" I introduced, a little higher. Bearing in mind, among other things, the Hague.

      Quote: flicker
      Just read it calmly and carefully.

      Everything, "the bucket has broken." What do you want from a person who writes with errors and issues pearls like:

      Quote: Icarus
      If grunts are thieves in GDP in friends, then who is he? Their boss and leader?

      * Hopugs - really delivered, the word is tasty laughing
    3. flicker 15 March 2020 00: 51 New
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      If grunts are thieves in GDP in friends, then who is he? Their boss and leader?

      This is a position, moreover firm, which sets strictly defined logic.
      Z.Y. Yes, of course there are a lot of mistakes
    4. Golovan Jack 15 March 2020 00: 55 New
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      Quote: flicker
      This is a solid position.

      Yeah ... I would say - somewhere even hardened request

      Quote: flicker
      which defines strictly defined logic ...

      ... female, practically. It's funny
    5. Icarus 15 March 2020 17: 50 New
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      Do not read Golovan at night. Another author wrote about the "grabbers-thieves" who were "friends of the president," and I asked him a question in this connection whether it follows then that the pre-president is their leader. And Golovan took this out of context, which he often does. Therefore, to communicate with him is a rotten business. He always goes over to personality when he cannot argue with reason.
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      Quote: Icarus
      About the "grab-thief" who are "friends of the president," wrote another author

      Yeah. Only you grabbers steel "hops":


      Quote: Icarus
      Golovan took it out of context

      Golovan said that you write with errors. And you think so too. What is wrong here?

      Quote: Icarus
      He always turns to personality when he cannot argue with reason

      My dear, it is impossible to argue with you - you only hear yourself request
  2. Icarus 14 March 2020 23: 48 New
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    The priority of international law, the "universally recognized principles", remain a priority.
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    Quote: Icarus
    "universally recognized principles" retain priority ...

    ... only and exclusively in the context of international treaties concluded by the Russian Federation.

    I have the impression that you are either misunderstanding or trying to manipulate. For three comments - the second, to put it mildly, fuzzy wording. Odako, trend (s) yes
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    You are too impressionable.
    "Decisions of interstate bodies, adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation ... "
    In this part of Art. 79 nothing compared to Art. 15 has not changed. But the priority of generally recognized principles remains.
    With you, Jack Golovan, I’m ending the dialogue. You have not been interesting to me for a long time.
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    Quote: Icarus
    You are too impressionable

    Not at all.

    Quote: Icarus
    the priority of generally recognized principles remains

    I repeat: this is not an absolute priority, this is a priority only in the context of those international treaties of the Russian Federation that directly establish this priority. This immediately follows from Art. fifteen.

    Not too hard for you yet? wink

    Quote: Icarus
    In this part of Art. 79 nothing compared to Art. 15 has not changed

    You are in vain. New edition of Art. 79 gives the Russian Federation the opportunity to declare null and void almost any decision of international "bodies". Previously, such an opportunity was not agreed, oddly enough.

    Quote: Icarus
    the dialogue is ending. You haven’t been interesting to me for a long time

    Your will. Thanks for the reference, by the way
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    Quote: Malyuta
    All these goat dances, in principle, are not legitimate and any second-year lawyer will tell you about this.

    Yes, I somehow forgot that Russia is a country of lawyers of the highest qualification and even a sophomore is able to dust any citizen with the remnants of a brain))))
  • Overlock 13 March 2020 16: 21 New
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    Quote: Thick
    CATEGORALLY it is impossible to vote by the list (package).

    what do you offer? Score or go?
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      I have not seen ballots with 200 points. This package is generally a complete madhouse. If there is a vote in a package, it is better to spoil the form.
      When amendments to the constitution were adopted regarding terms of office, there were no plebiscites ...
      Surprisingly, no one pulled the deputies. It seems to me that in the end there will be only fifty amendments in one sitting. The rest will be postponed to a later date or in general for a long time.
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        Quote: Thick
        I have not seen ballots with 200 points.

        and there won’t be any, there will be a piece of paper with only two words: “Yes” and “No”
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          Quote: Overlock
          Quote: Thick
          I have not seen ballots with 200 points.

          and there won’t be any, there will be a piece of paper with only two words: “Yes” and “No”

          Then it's just a farce. Are we at the registry office
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            Quote: Thick
            Then it's just a farce.

            Is there any doubt!
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              Alas. There are still doubts. (((
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            What's in the registry office wiring what's here)))
    2. Icarus 14 March 2020 22: 33 New
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      Where to go? Today we have already gone, in line from single pickets to Lubyanka. So the whole line was loaded into autoruns.
      Test ball launched. And then the guarantor looks at how the people will react. If as always, the constitutional court will write that “zeroing the deadlines” to the incumbent does not contradict the current constitution. And if there will be a lot of indignant (millions or hundreds of thousands), which is unlikely, then the constitutional court will be recommended to write that, for example, such an amendment about “canceling the terms of the incumbent president” needs improvement or something like that.
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    Speech of the Altai deputy on amendments to the Constitution: Putin recognizes the need for an authoritarian system - what are we crowning for the kingdom?
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    Quote: Svarog
    More to such deputies ..

    it depends on us, we have to GO to the polls and vote!
    1. private person 14 March 2020 22: 20 New
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      it depends on us, we have to GO to the polls and vote!

      Do you remember that at least one deputy said that he would pass anti-people laws? Everyone swore allegiance to their voters as one and promised to protect their interests.
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    I, as a resident of the Altai Territory, and even directly familiar with the local political cuisine, responsibly declare that although Maria is a very nice lady in the eyes of the male part, despite her husband, children and, as evil tongues say, a young lover as party secretary , very coveted, but on the whole the person is not independent and uninitiated. Yes, she learned pretty well how to deal with local party bosses, who impeach her every six months to a year, but she, as a loyal communist, with the direct support of Gennady Andreyevich, manages to stay in place every time. In addition, she does a good job of gaining points on topical topics, but when it comes to real actions, local Communists sharply change their tone, urgently resembling a famous animal, which in case of danger seeks to hide its head in the sand. The extreme test for mildew was no more than 2 years ago, when the former governor was removed and as I.O. they delivered one air raider from the Krasnoyarsk Territory, who, as if by accident, was a friend of the Minister of Energy Novak and who was once an accountant at Prokhorov on Nornickel, and then sharply became first the Chairman of the Government of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, and then the Governor of the Altai Territory. So at that moment, Maria, despite the difference in funds (nevertheless, her husband-builder is not like an accomplice to energy magnates) had good chances to win. Judge for yourself: a confident, effective woman who knows how to speak in front of an audience, and who has even gotten her hands on local gerontocrats, against the tumultuous redhead misunderstanding, which even now is called "2 pieces of sausage"


    It would seem that the choice is obvious. But the current Calabro-Communist Communists, as always, preferred to shamefully merge rather than enter into a righteous struggle for their land and their constituents, without even having to run for election. True, it should be noted to Maria’s honor that it was hardly her will personally (as Bortko’s position was not, however much they said otherwise). Most likely, the order not to interfere was broadcast from above - from the Communist Party apparatus and Masha, as a faithful Komsomol member, afraid to lose her protection, her teeth clutched with rage, jealously executed it.
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      Quote: Dante
      . Yes, she learned pretty well how to deal with local party bosses, who impeach her every six months to a year, but she, as a loyal communist, with the direct support of Gennady Andreyevich, manages to stay in place every time. In addition, she does a good job of gaining points on topical issues, but when it comes to real actions, local Communists dramatically change their tone,

      What was required to prove - pure populism. yes
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      Quote: Dante
      that even though Maria’s lady is very okay in the eyes of the male part, not looking at her husband, children and, as evil tongues say,

      In essence, can you object to her proposals, or are you a fan of delving into dirty laundry?
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        In essence, can you object to her proposals, or are you a fan of delving into dirty laundry?

        You should at least bother to read all that I stated before asking such ridiculous questions. Next time I advise you to recall the famous saying of Mark Twain about the fact that it is better to be silent and seem like a fool than to open your mouth and confirm this. For those who are especially “gifted”, I’ll explain: for the time being, my complaint was expressed not in what Maria said, but in the fact that her speeches diverged from deeds, and I have nothing more to add to this, and why not.
        As for everything else, I just noted that Maria is a very attractive person, which inevitably generates a lot of rumors around her, but despite this it does not make her less attractive to voters and she would certainly find her electorate. No more and no less. Where did you see dirty laundry here, I don’t know, because I am not fond of such "substance abuse". But since you are well versed in the question that has been voiced, I will probably leave it to you for a more detailed analysis, since you cannot bestow the female sex with anything other than dirty linen.
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          Quote: Dante
          For those who are especially “gifted”, I’ll explain: for the time being, my complaint was expressed not in what Maria said, but in the fact that her speeches diverged from deeds, and I have nothing more to add to this, and why not.

          I realized that you were engaged in ordinary verbiage, instead of specifying specifically what you are unhappy with in the speech of a member of the Communist Party, and leave all your other considerations to yourself.
          Quote: Dante
          As for everything else, I just noted that Maria is a very attractive person,

          What does this have to do with her performance in essence?
          1. Dante Alighieri 13 March 2020 19: 02 New
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            I realized that you engaged in ordinary verbiage

            I reproached the Communist Party for its lack of initiative, for abandoning the revolutionary struggle and betraying the cause of Lenin, as well as for populism and the privatization of the word “communism” for the sake of my petty-bourgeois interests. Is it clear now?
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              Quote: Dante
              I reproached the Communist Party for its lack of initiative, for abandoning the revolutionary struggle and betraying the cause of Lenin, as well as for populism and the privatization of the word “communism” for the sake of my petty-bourgeois interests. Is it clear now?

              Are you a member of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, are you a member of another party or just a supporter of United Russia? Which party seduces you, or you may have already organized your own party, now new ones have appeared, which one are you in?
              1. Dante Alighieri 13 March 2020 19: 59 New
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                or just a supporter of United Russia?

                Am I a supporter of United Russia? belay Yeah, I haven’t been accused of such a thing yet ... Right, it’s even somehow somehow uncomfortable ...

                I identify myself with only one political force, the one with which the history of my family is inextricably linked and whose grandfathers were members of it - with the CPSU (B.). It was with the CPSU (b), and not with the Central Committee of the CPSU, for the last of the leading and directing forces that cared for the welfare of the people was transformed into a nomenclature tool aimed at increasing personal power and wealth of the highest party leaders, which ultimately led to the collapse my homeland to separate uluses. I consider it unacceptable and criminal to identify with the current so-called "communists" despite the fact that decent people are also in their ranks, including before the memory of our ancestors, because current speculators under red flags have acted, and not in a word, proved who they really are - collaborators whose essence is serving the current regime. That is why their faces are apparently warped at the word "revolution".
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                  Quote: Dante
                  I identify myself with only one political force, the one with which the history of my family is inextricably linked and whose grandfathers were members of it - with the CPSU (B.). It is with the CPSU (b), and not with the Central Committee of the CPSU,

                  Well then, become its chairman, if the place is not already taken, and begin to fight for the post of president of the USSR.
                  Quote: Dante
                  To identify with the current so-called "communists" despite the fact that decent people meet in their ranks, I consider it unacceptable and criminal,

                  Those. you don’t want to work in the Communist Party in order to improve it, so why then do you think that she herself can clean herself without your participation?
                  Well, you don’t want to join the Communist Party, so can you organize a new communist party?
                  So far, as I understand it, you do not consider any party worthy, but do you think that from this they themselves will dissolve? Vain expectations - wait faster than the second coming ...
                  Quote: Dante
                  That is why their faces are apparently warped at the word "revolution".

                  No matter how jarring they are, but they are in power, and they do not care about your claims, and you will have to put up with this. By the way, I personally am opposed to the revolution - that's enough, there are already too few of us to survive in the modern world. That is why we must go the evolutionary path - I recommend that you at least think about it.
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                    Those. you don’t want to work in the Communist Party in order to improve it, so why then do you think that she herself can clean herself without your participation?

                    Do I look like a naive fool? I personally saw how the most worthy initiatives in the bud are killed by behind-the-scenes agreements, and the initiators themselves are mixed with mud and put up as a laughing stock. Invite me to take part in IT? No, fire me. I’m not going to dance to the tune of someone else, and even more so to act as an assistant to the regime.

                    Also, why are you putting the burden of updating the party on me personally? Maybe the Communist Party itself should also indicate steps in this direction? For example, to publicly repent that it has been exploiting the communist image for 30 years unscrupulously profiting from the reflection of the masses of the people on the lost past and failed future? To announce a paradigm shift and a complete renewal of the apparatus in accordance with the requirements of the time, but in full accordance with the letter and spirit of Marxist teaching? I personally am very disgusted by such a scenario, and I would be happy to revise my postulates then, only as long as I don’t observe such an initiative from the party. And yes, I already realized that I have to wait for the second coming. Although, in principle, I need it. Why? Because it is not possible to create a truly popular party, being incorporated into the existing political system. About what is lower.
                    Well, you don’t want to join the Communist Party, so can you organize a new communist party?
                    So far, as I understand it, you do not consider any party worthy, but do you think that from this they themselves will dissolve? Vain expectations - wait faster than the second coming ...

                    Glaring ignorance! What is the position of parties in bourgeois society? Expression of interests of the ruling class. And it does not matter what interests they will be: national-socialist, frankly fascist, conservative or liberal. Each will find its own application. Be it the party of power or the lured opposition. I do not identify myself with the ruling class and do not belong to it, on the contrary, I am its antagonist, and therefore I do not need to create a legal party. This does not mean that I cannot create a party of my like-minded people, it only means that such a party does not need to be institutionalized in the bourgeois authorities, just as there is no need to participate in the staging called "free and competitive elections." I understand that the idea is complex, but make an effort to imagine such a force. Maybe then you will understand what Lenin had under the phrase “revolutionary party”.
                    By the way, I personally am opposed to the revolution - that's enough, there are already too few of us to survive in the modern world.

                    It is sad to realize that liberal figures managed to drive the idea that the words “revolution” and “bloodshed” are synonyms into the minds of ordinary people. I understand that my work is in vain and you will not understand, but still my duty is to try to explain. The revolution, indeed, cannot do without sacrifices, but who is the cause of their appearance? Those who are fed up with a miserable existence demand changes and a more equitable distribution of resources, or those who eat three throats when others are in dire need, while at the same time trying to maintain their privileged position at all costs? Who is more to blame for the fact that it has reached an extreme point? Those who had the opportunity to change something, but because of personal selfish motives they did not use it, or those who blindly trusted in the wisdom of the latter, until they were convinced of the opposite? For me personally, this question is not worth it and my heart is always on the side of the oppressed. I am always for Spartacus, whereas you, as I understand it, are on the side of the Romans. But think about something else: the victory of the revolution together with blood always brings renewal and gives an impetus to even greater development, the victory of reactionaries also accompanied by considerable blood, links, tyranny and tyranny only leads to deepening social stratification and even greater victims among those who are not related to the ruling elite or its accomplices (often indirect, after all, who will consider drunkards, dead from tuberculosis, malnutrition and other socially negative factors?).
                    That is why we must go the evolutionary path - I recommend that you at least think about it.

                    Very beautiful words, for which there is nothing but a fear of change. It is this fear of progress that leads to unnecessary and meaningless sacrifices. In addition, evolution works well in relation to the natural world, the time frame of which is unlimited, and the loss of one species in essence is not critical. As regards human communities, often these times for long self-improvement are not banal. And if it doesn’t change here and now, thanks to the actions of the "well-wishers" tomorrow there may simply be no more. And then all the arguments about the "tear of the child" and the need for victims in the name of change will have absolutely no reason.

                    Ps give recommendations without giving any arguments in defense of their position, except that "I'm an artist - I see it" is a very dubious occupation, do not you?
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                    Quote: Dante
                    Do I look like a naive fool?

                    You have naive ideas about the nature of power in society.
                    Quote: Dante
                    Also, why are you putting the burden of updating the party on me personally?

                    You undertook to criticize her - to you and cards in hand.
                    Quote: Dante
                    And yes, I already realized that I have to wait for the second coming.

                    I am glad that you at least understand this - no one will give anything to you on a silver platter, so roll up your sleeves to begin with.
                    Quote: Dante
                    Glaring ignorance! What is the position of parties in bourgeois society?

                    The CPSU (b) gave an answer at the beginning of the twentieth century — have you even mastered the course of the history of the CPSU?
                    Quote: Dante
                    It is sad to realize that liberal figures managed to drive the idea that the words “revolution” and “bloodshed” are synonyms into the minds of ordinary people.

                    Look at Ukraine - it will become even sadder for you, which even the Maidan can lead to.
                    Quote: Dante
                    Very beautiful words, for which there is nothing but a fear of change.

                    I have life experience behind me, but you don’t have it yet, that's why we have different views on life. You don’t even know what your changes will lead to, but you already demand to carry them out. Check out our story to get you started - you might find the answers there.
                  3. Dante Alighieri 14 March 2020 16: 23 New
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                    You have naive ideas about the nature of power in society.

                    I have life experience behind me, but you don’t have it yet, that's why we have different views on life.

                    Argumentary arguments .... especially, in addition to Ukraine, made laugh about naive ideas and experience. For reference: over the past 10 years I have not missed a single election cycle in the Altai Territory and the Altai Republic. He worked as an observer, and in the field, and in headquarters, and in the center of political consulting. Interacted with all political forces from the EP, to the Liberal Democratic Party and the Communist Party and Just Russia. Thus, he had the opportunity to see for himself what they were. At the same time, I received a diploma of a specialist-lecturer, and then a master's degree. Both with honors. Repeatedly published in scientific journals indexed in the RSCI system, two more of my articles were published in journals of the Higher Attestation Commission. And what experience do you have besides the philistine?
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                    Quote: Dante
                    For reference: over the past 10 years I have not missed a single election cycle in the Altai Territory and the Altai Republic.

                    I am happy for you, especially considering that this is my small homeland.

                    Quote: Dante
                    He worked as an observer, and in the field, and in headquarters, and in the center of political consulting.

                    In Soviet times, I also repeatedly participated in election commissions, but this still does not mean anything.
                    Quote: Dante
                    At the same time, I received a diploma of a specialist-lecturer, and then a master's degree.

                    I apparently received my engineering diploma long before you were born, and therefore I learned to critically perceive reality, even without a liberal arts education - “my years my wealth” led to this.
                    Quote: Dante
                    And what experience do you have besides the philistine?

                    My experience is related to military affairs, and at a pretty decent level, but that’s not the point, but that I learned to critically evaluate what is happening in the modern world, and most importantly, slogans don’t act on me, I believe in matters .
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                    In Soviet times, I also repeatedly participated in election commissions, but this still does not mean anything.


                    Are you serious now? Compare a completely different model of democracy, electoral law and, finally, the political and economic formation, what was the current reality in the USSR? Procedurally, the election, indeed, may not differ much, only conceptually it’s like, sorry, comparing a tractor and a foreign car. It seems to be both of these vehicles, but the dynamics are different. I am not trying to denigrate the Soviet model with these comparisons; it is closer and clearer to me for many reasons. But the current EP is not a couple of the CPSU even at the very late stage of its existence, not to mention the absence in the Soviet Union of not only other political forces, but also of the principle of separation of powers, which is again a bourgeois principle and has no relationship.

                    I learned to critically evaluate what is happening in the modern world, and most importantly, slogans do not work on me, I believe in business.


                    Glad for you, but why do you refuse me the same? It was a critical attitude towards reality that formed my opinion about the need for a revolutionary path, while everyone else says like a mantra: "no blood is needed." So you accused me of not wanting to do something. Moreover, as I understand it, you really believe that passive voting in elections, even for opposition forces, can dramatically change something. Suppose you come on April 22nd, say “fi” to the amendments, so what? Is something going to change? The president will be ashamed, he will understand that it is impossible to fool the population in this way, the EP will resign as a whole, and Nabiulin and Siluanov, realizing what they have done to the domestic economy, will make public repentance and not bear remorse to leave this mortal land? If so, then I think the chances of waiting for my second coming will be higher than yours.

                    All that you offer is tantamount to death, not only quick and painless, but slow and painful. Deaths, the number of victims of which will only inevitably grow from the consequences of gradually degrading science, education and medicine. Fearing blood, which may not be, you doom others to guaranteed extinction. However, I am not surprised that over time many former Soviet people become less and less from creators-creators who were once ready to turn mountains of the future (and not always their own personal ones), replacing with the selfish: “if only I was good”, “I older, I'm smarter. " And how your personal happiness correlates with the happiness of other people, you have not been concerned for a long time.

                    I know where such conclusions come from. This is an attempt to justify yourself for the weak character and spinelessness that you showed when you destroyed your and my country, which I found only as ruins. The ruins that nonetheless helped me survive and become human. But I'm afraid that this stock will not be enough for others. In this vein, I am not selfish and never have been. Believe me, too, have something to reflect on, but I do not burden the burden of ownership of what happened. And therefore, I have every right to remind you of the following: once you were scared of blood, and thus it spilled even more. And wash off from this will not work. So do not stop the young from doing what they think is right. You had a chance. You did not use it and your place on the sidelines of history.
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    She even said openly to the public, and other "anti-people’s deputies" just stupidly like rams in a crowd voted.
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    Yes, they don’t have such houses in Switzerland and Spain, so they don’t take such astronauts! And the deputies are also not very ...!
  • vkl.47 13 March 2020 08: 26 New
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    Chatting all the masters. It's not tossing bags.
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      56 deputies voted for the amendments, 0 against, abstained. 6. They are representatives of the Communist Party faction represented by Maria Prusakova, Veronika Lapina, Vyacheslav Pochatov, Vladimir Popov, Maxim Taldykin and Just Russia deputy Vasily Zhelezovsky. Why is this glamorous commissioner praised? For heroically ABSTAINING? boldly....
      1. kostik1301 13 March 2020 09: 15 New
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        Your favorite EP in the State Duma constantly does this method of voting: the abolition of raising the retirement age, the prohibition of real estate abroad and the MOST IMPORTANT NO INCREASING TAX ON OLIGARCHES and much more ................
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        Quote: Cut Samshitov
        56 deputies voted for the amendments, 0 against, abstained. 6. They are representatives of the Communist Party faction represented by Maria Prusakova, Veronika Lapina, Vyacheslav Pochatov, Vladimir Popov, Maxim Taldykin and Just Russia deputy Vasily Zhelezovsky. Why is this glamorous commissioner praised? For heroically ABSTAINING? boldly....

        "Glamorous Commissioner," he said straight to the point. The Communist Party, as always, abstains, arranging rallies for the media, and then all these deputies sit in their expensive foreign cars and go home, waiting for the reaction of the media. This reaction will be positive or negative, the “opposition” deputies are not so important, but it is important that voters see and hear them, and the media will talk about them for some time. Do not confuse the Communist Party and the CPSU, or the CPSU (b), they only have the word "Communist" phonetically the same, and ideological communists are now units.
      3. flicker 13 March 2020 12: 01 New
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        Why is this glamorous commissioner praised? For heroically ABSTAINING?
        He is marking Zyuganov’s place, though it is hard to imagine what communism is, but it’s not important! bully
        1. ccsr 13 March 2020 12: 22 New
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          Quote: flicker
          He is marking Zyuganov’s place, though it is hard to imagine what communism is, but it’s not important!

          And why is she worse than Grudinin - can you explain the points? As far as I understand, we are talking about her speech, you personally have some objections to it - let me know without hesitation that you are not comfortable with them.
          1. flicker 13 March 2020 14: 43 New
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            And what is it worse than Grudinin
            Yes, nothing worse, more than that, I'm sure it is much better lol
            it’s about her speech, do you personally have any objections to it

            We have a huge number of regional deputies (whose names even the people of the region don’t know — if they are not really “cool businessmen”), they don’t really speak there.
            And then, suddenly, the deputy (s) from the region speaks, the formal side: the speech is ready in advance, the camera is installed, the recording is made available to a wide audience - all this suggests that it is not just the speech of the deputy, but someone of a larger who invested in the mouth of the deputy the desired text.
            First, we fix that this presentation is a link in which scenario (and the scenario is revealed through the content of the text)
            Now about the content: the strike is being applied as amended. The means known to all are used to intensify the blow: this is where the money goes, totalitarianism, corruption, the arbitrariness of officials, the rise in the retirement age - all these problems are painfully perceived by society (!!!) and cause a wave of indignation.
            So this one righteous outrage directed at constitutional amendments.
            We fix this moment.
            What do the amendments give us?
            The amendments establish the supremacy of Russian legislation over international in Russia. Those. consolidate our sovereignty.
            The deputy beats on our sovereignty.
            At what point is this happening?
            At a time when the world is on the verge of tremendous upheaval, after which many states will cease to exist.
            To survive these shocks, at least internal stability is required, which largely depends on the consensus of the elites.
            In order to maintain this stability (and huge amounts of money are being spent to destabilize the situation in Russia by grant-eaters), people who were passionately worried about the country and persuaded (demanded) Putin to run for election in 2024, securing this opportunity by law.
            It turns out that the deputy from the Communist Party (without realizing it - for the sake of a career) is working for the collapse of Russia.
            Z.Y. They also spread rot against Tereshkov.
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              Quote: flicker
              In order to maintain this stability (and huge amounts of money are being spent to destabilize the situation in Russia by grant-eaters), people who were passionately worried about the country and persuaded (demanded) Putin to run for office

              those. who is against this, the enemies of the country?
              Quote: flicker
              At least internal stability is necessary

              who allowed the population to be stratified by income tenfold and how does this correspond to internal stability?
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                those. who is against this, the enemies of the country?
                The one who ordered this speech put it in the mouth of a regional deputy (and even a girl, and even from the Communist Party) ensured the shooting and broadcasting to a wide audience - no doubt the ENEMY.
                Prusakova herself, I think not. Most likely, she had long wanted to rise up the party ladder, and she was offered (!) A ready-made (!) Text, and she agreed.
                Especially since she spoke of a sore point: corruption, the arbitrariness of officials, an increase in the retirement age, plus hit the amendments. And this is a blow to the country!
                who allowed the population to be stratified by income tenfold and how does this correspond to internal stability?
                It was before. At the end of the 80s, the people grumbled that the Communists were living too well, and in a sign of indignation they pounded helmets. Got another Russia, already with a blatant stratification.
                For internal stability, this is bad. But (I repeat) at the end of the 80s they were also indignant at the much lower income stratification, but as a result, the country was struck not so much by the income stratification as the ELITE’s desire to legitimize inequality. Those. banged the USSR elite.
                Both affect stability, but the elite is much stronger.
                And the war of the elites is a sure end to any state.
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                  Quote: flicker
                  The one who ordered this speech put it in the mouth of a regional deputy

                  and whoever ordered the speech of Tereshkova who?
                  Quote: flicker
                  It was before. At the end of the 80s, the people grumbled that the Communists were living too well, and in a sign of indignation they pounded helmets.

                  I think that we need to separate the 80s and 90s. The situation with the stratification was not the same as it is now. In the 90s, their end, the principle of "Grab what you can."
                  But to compare today's day and the USSR is not legitimate. For example: how many billionaires from the USSR were on the Forbes list and how many are now from the Russian Federation?
            2. ccsr 13 March 2020 18: 35 New
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              Quote: flicker
              It turns out that the deputy from the Communist Party (without realizing it - for the sake of a career) is working for the collapse of Russia.

              If you reject your bias towards the deputy, the essence of her speech is to vote on the amendments not in a package, but on each separately, and I think this is right. You reproach her for the collapse, and I well remember how the drunk imposed Putin on us, and I was not mistaken, fortunately - I apparently made a sober decision. But if he had imposed Nemtsov, it is still unknown what countries would now look like - and he could slip such a squiggle to us. That is why, quite rightly, this member of the Communist Party requires a separate vote.
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      Chatting all the masters. It's not tossing bags.

      Patent the slogan, and ask it to put in the forum title - I think the administration will thank you for your find.
  • lwxx 13 March 2020 08: 27 New
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    Yes, there would be more such deputies, especially in the State Duma. And then t Zyuganovites completely lost shame.
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    It's nice that we have such smart and beautiful communists appear. love
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      Ahaha. From her communism as from Mr. Bullet. Partminimum will not even surrender, as well as 99% of the Communist Party. And the most remarkable thing is that a member of the party that created the totalitarian state broadcasts about totalitarianism and authoritarianism.
      And yet, regarding authoritarianism, dictatorship, etc.: if that were the case, then your entire sect of communism witnesses would be in bulk, Zu and company or sawed wood or would have been on a graveyard long ago, under Article 58.
      For more often about these times, remember when about the red yelling.
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          This is so Leninist, comrades!

          Well, in fact, Vladimir Ilyich had the right to hereditary nobility, but this did not take away his sense of justice and conscience.
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            1. Krasnoyarsk 13 March 2020 10: 49 New
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              Quote: Cut Samshitov

              Lenin was born a nobleman and was never proud of this fact. And Prusakova married her business man as a communist. Catch the difference?

              Love is evil ....
          2. 16329 13 March 2020 16: 30 New
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            Well, don’t talk about Vladimir Ilyich, a rather complicated historical figure, a family conflict with the tsar’s family, life in exile, a great love for the German language and Germanic order (innate), connections with international adventurers and the German General Staff, calls for the defeat of their homeland in the World War , coup, dispersal of the constituent assembly, Brest Peace, concession of Russian territories to All, even Turkey, millions of victims of the bloody Civil War, red terror, famine and epidemics, expelling from Russia a huge number of Images op ponents, and talented people, the enormous loss of human and material resources
            A true Russian revolutionary, in a word
            By the way, all of his closest associates and associates who survived until the mid-30s were justly convicted and executed (“like mad dogs,” according to the prosecutor) or destroyed in exile
            The one in relation to whom Lenin wrote letters to the congress and whose plan for the establishment of the state he rejected, eventually restored both the Patriarchate and the Guard and the golden epaulettes and rank cards in the new Edition and raised a toast on the health of the Russian people
            This is And there is a triumph of justice
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              The one in relation to whom Lenin wrote letters to the congress and whose plan for the establishment of the state he rejected, eventually restored both the Patriarchate and the Guard and the golden epaulettes and rank cards in the new Edition and raised a toast on the health of the Russian people
              And it was he who considered Lenin his teacher, sincerely grieved for his death, and in fact created the personality cult of Lenin, I am now about Stalin, and who are you about?
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                The same story as with the Yeltsin Center, it is impossible to change the social Paradigm very sharply immediately after huge upheavals, otherwise it will not be clear why all this was and new chaos may arise, which will be even more dangerous.
                Therefore, all Bonapartes have to swear allegiance to the ideals of the revolution
      2. Ivan Kolodin 13 March 2020 09: 17 New
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        What are you saying?
  • Finches 13 March 2020 08: 28 New
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    “Corruption will destroy this country!” And authoritarianism will save, as always, by the way! But he must be with the human face of socialism otherwise slip into penachetovschina! But since the Russian people have not yet been ill with capitalism and have not yet been completely strangled by the hand of the market, one can revive the monarchy, find some kind of rag-king, and leave Putin in the role of Stolypin ... There’s no end to fantasy for Russians political reality! laughing
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      Andrei Mironov - ** This person has encroached on the most sacred thing - on the CONSTITUTION .... **
      Review Beware of the car!
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    WELL DONE!!!


    representative of the Communist Party, the head of the Communist Party faction in the Altai legislative assembly, Maria Prusakova.


    Unfortunately, we can say that she is a representative of the "lower layer" close to the people, the party hierarchy of the Communist Party.

    And in the party "tops", as we know, their rattle toys ...
    And other statements.
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      In addition, now all those admitted to the media will begin to use this situation for their own purposes. They will carry populist crap everything and everyone. Hodor, Sisyan and other trash have come to life more than ever on the Internet. Such an information guide will not miss. Therefore, in a hurry with conclusions about what kind of good and brave deputies we have in the periphery, I think it’s not worth it.
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        Um. Not surprisingly, the farther from the "Moscow feeding trough", the more deputies have a "more honest" look at the situation in the country and at the planned scam with "amendments to the Constitution." The trend, however. wink
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    2. Vladimir_2U 13 March 2020 09: 45 New
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      Unfortunately, we can say that she is a representative of the grassroots layer close to the people
      Sorry, but just so! Here is my personal opinion, Vladimir Volfovich will give the oak, the LDPR will be covered with a basin, and Gennady Andreevich will grunt, so the Communist Party will not just bend but blossom!
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      1. Matroskin 13 March 2020 11: 52 New
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        A communist is not a party card, but beliefs and following them. Skinners and careerists were stolen, not communists. By your own logic, you can say: "It was the Orthodox who closed the temples"
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          1. Matroskin 13 March 2020 13: 12 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            A communist is a diagnosis.

            The capitalist is a diagnosis. Monarchist is a diagnosis. Anarchist is a diagnosis. A fascist is a diagnosis.
            Let me give you an example of "pure obscurity".

            I believe that the Senate of the Roman Republic was originally muddy ...

            Why do you refuse the idea of ​​justice and attempts to implement it, on the grounds that there are human and parasites who want to live off the lives of others (the majority)?
            1. AU Ivanov. 13 March 2020 13: 48 New
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              I do not refuse the idea, on the contrary I fully support it. But this idea, performed by the Communists, turned into a farce. They were the first to refuse this idea, discrediting it.
              1. Matroskin 13 March 2020 14: 31 New
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                1. I was surrounded by Communists, members of the party. My grandfather, the wife's father, uncle. Responsive, dedicated people. Maybe you don’t need to mix scoundrels and heroes and thereby discredit the idea as a whole?
                2. So we are in the period of "reaction". The natural course of history. It’s unpleasant, of course, to live in the midst of filth and injustice, but this is the development of society through mistakes that need to be fixed and developed methods to counter them. This is how a person develops from childhood, touching the fire, learning not to eat with his hands, learning to walk without breaking his knees. Who knows how many times to fall? Capitalism took 500 years to become.
                1. AU Ivanov. 13 March 2020 14: 46 New
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                  You're lucky. I have exactly the opposite: the Komsomol members in the school and in the flight school are frank careerists, the party organizer of an airline is a degradant and a grabber. I received a membership card around me as a certificate for additional benefits and promotion on the career ladder. And the secretary of the district committee of the town in which I worked, in the 90s headed the organized crime group. These comrades are now in power.
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                  Excellent koment.Dialectics in its purest form!
    2. Paranoid50 13 March 2020 11: 58 New
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      It's time to rename the Communist Party of Russia

      Commie Voyegeurs. laughing
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      1. Krasnodar 13 March 2020 11: 38 New
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        This is the details)).
  • Zhelezyakin 13 March 2020 10: 24 New
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    Another PR on public opinion, what’s done? Did she vote against the amendments? If not mistaken, then abstained ...
  • Sharky 13 March 2020 11: 15 New
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    WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It’s more correct to say: WISDOM. hi
  • Michael67 13 March 2020 13: 02 New
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    The Altai parliamentarian notes that we must frankly admit: many amendments are, in fact, dummies and duplicate federal laws and acts. For example, it is noted that legislation has long spelled out that marriage in Russia is an equal union of a man and a woman.

    That's it - it is prescribed in the law. And laws, as you know, are amended and edited due to the fact that international law is higher than the law of the Russian Federation. Western juveniles and all sorts of unconventional ... already managed to impose a lot of things.
    If this provision is spelled out in the constitution (basic law), no one will be able to change it.
    And therefore, the statement that the amendments are dummies and duplicate the Federal Law and Acts is pure water populism and agitation to ensure that everything remains as it is. By the way, the IMF has imposed pension reform on us. And the Russian Federation was obliged to execute this command because their right is higher than ours.
  • smart ass 14 March 2020 14: 18 New
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    give the first girl to the president!
  • Bastinda 13 March 2020 08: 25 New
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    There are honest deputies!
    It’s a pity that some "deputy of the regional legislative assembly"
    1. Alex_1973 13 March 2020 08: 34 New
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      I am afraid that after such a speech, she will not sit in the regional Duma for long. But it’s a pity, a very worthy woman, just like those in the Duma instead of Pope Zyu. And then this universal "approbation" is already sickened.
    2. K-612-O 13 March 2020 09: 57 New
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      About "honesty" above
  • Van 16 13 March 2020 08: 26 New
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    The girl spoke well, everything was right.
    1. Mavrikiy 13 March 2020 08: 53 New
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      Quote: Van 16
      The girl spoke well, everything was right.

      However, no progressive tax proposals were heard from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. Some are not those communists. repeat
      1. Quasipatriot 13 March 2020 10: 28 New
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        About the progressive tax I will not say, I do not remember. But the Communist Party’s bill to increase the minimum wage to 25000 rubles was, but it was rejected by United Russia, of course they didn’t show it on TV. Link to the rejected bill: https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/427393-7
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  • APIS 13 March 2020 08: 26 New
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    Voice in the wilderness
    1. Insurgent 13 March 2020 08: 45 New
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      Quote: APIS
      Voice in the wilderness

      Against the background of the general mooing of the Communist Party, in principle, YES!
      1. APIS 13 March 2020 08: 52 New
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        Against the background of the general mooing of the Communist Party, in principle, YES!

        No one doubts that the Communist Party is guilty of pension reform, falling oil prices and the spread of the coronovirus.
        Just who then edrosov and GDP vote?
        1. Insurgent 13 March 2020 08: 54 New
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          Quote: APIS
          Against the background of the general mooing of the Communist Party, in principle, YES!

          No one doubts that the Communist Party is guilty of pension reform, falling oil prices and the spread of the coronovirus.
          Just who then edrosov and GDP vote?

          Difficult question. I can’t lie, but I don’t know the truth ...
      2. Stirbjorn 13 March 2020 09: 10 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        Against the background of the general mooing of the Communist Party, in principle, YES!

        why mooing ?! Communist Party (the whole faction) + Shein from the SR voted in the State Duma against the nullification of the presidential term. The others approved in unison.
        1. Insurgent 13 March 2020 09: 17 New
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          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Communist Party (the whole faction) + Shein from the SR voted in the State Duma against the nullification of the presidential term.

          Is that all? And did they announce any program to counter the further pushing of the “zero amendment”, at least?
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            Quote: Insurgent
            Is that all? And did they announce any program to counter the further pushing of the “zero amendment”, at least?

            Yes, what is the countermeasure program ?! They simply indicated their position against the background of the rest of the choir of approvers, sir. Amendments dragged at all costs, do not even hesitate. Here you can only agree with Navalny, the calculation that all these amendments will be immediately canceled at any change of power, because they are absurd.
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              Quote: Stirbjorn
              you can agree with Navalny

              I don’t agree with the priest Gapon of modernity, heaped up under any circumstances, for these are not his words, but the text that he was instructed to voice.
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                Quote: Insurgent
                I don’t agree with the priest Gapon of modernity, heaped up under any circumstances, for these are not his words, but the text that he was instructed to voice.
                Do you disagree with these words of his ?! fellow
                “I am very proud that I supported Markhaev in the mayoral elections, although I have never seen him in my life, I never spoke with him. And the deputy of the Legislative Assembly of Yakutia with the complex name of Sulustan Myraan came out and said: “The president has no right to keep all branches of power. In addition, the vote that he initiates is also illegitimate. I have nothing more to do here. I do not want and will not dishonor my gray hair. ” I applaud this man! ”Navalny said.
                “They are the heroes of Russia, they are real fellows, they have not betrayed us, their voters,” Navalny emphasized.
                1. Insurgent 13 March 2020 11: 42 New
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                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  Do you disagree with these words of his ?!

                  Of course I do not agree. I have already published my position on this body, and the fact that he makes such provocative statements only confirms that he was paid by both the West and the Kremlin.
                  The servant of two masters.
                  1. Stirbjorn 13 March 2020 11: 46 New
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                    Quote: Insurgent
                    Of course I do not agree. I have already published my position on this body, and the fact that he makes such provocative statements only confirms that he was paid by both the West and the Kremlin.
                    The servant of two masters.

                    So you for whom, I don’t understand ?! You don’t like the Communist Party (left), the Kremlin (the current government including the Liberal Democratic Party and the Slovak Republic) don’t like it, Navalny (well, are all the liberals put together too ?! Are there some Russian nationalists with an incomprehensible face?
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                      So you for whom, I don’t understand ?!

                      And you don’t need to understand, “for whom” I, or someone else.
                      Let the authorities understand at the beginning that it’s impossible to act so unceremoniously with the Constitution, and that too many citizens are against such “breaking it through the knee” ...

                      Good intentions ? I guess that they will be tired.

                      Communist Party? Is this the opposition? Obese old people, prisons and links not smelling ... Fighters for the people!
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                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Communist Party? Is this the opposition? Obese old people, prisons and links not smelling ... Fighters for the people!
                        Udaltsev sniffed - good ?! He supports the Communist Party
            2. Lyuba1965_01 13 March 2020 11: 32 New
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              It depends on who comes to power.
              Oppositionists are always against anti-people’s laws and corruption, however, having come to power, they do the same, only with a different sauce.
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          1. Stirbjorn 13 March 2020 10: 04 New
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            Quote: K-612-O
            Not against! And quietly abstained, your Great Zu has long been in senility.

            Abstained from other amendments, including social ones. And specifically about the reset of the deadlines voted against. So who else is there in senility
  • rocket757 13 March 2020 08: 26 New
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    In general, we are able to provide the correct vote .... and after this support, the impression is that the rest of us who ... do not agree with everything, just raped!
    Saying that changes are NOT at all necessary, there aren’t quite a lot of such people ... but far from all the changes proposed I want to see there, and some especially needed, for many, are not there at all!
    The general impression is that this government wants to remain so forever !!!
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    1. Boris55 13 March 2020 08: 50 New
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      Quote: Dynamo
      So it is tempting to write your opinion, which coincides with the majority, but registering a third account in two days is even an opportunity to tell the truth here in too many ..

      Have you tried to express your opinion without "pronouns"? laughing

      I don’t like the fact that they are trying to force us to accept 200 amendments in one package. This can only be explained by the agreement of clan-corporate groups: you want this, and we do this ... as a result of the bidding, we have what we have.

      I understand that there is no limit to perfection, but let's take a sober look at all these amendments ( https://gosuslugi-online.ru/popravki-v-konstitucziyu-rf-2020-spisok-izmenenij/) and put on some scales what we like, and on others what we don’t like, weigh and see if they improve our life or not?


      Who is opposed to our amendment vote? Those who in the 93rd managed to seize the wealth of the people and wrote us this Constitution. They have everything in chocolate, but does it suit us?

      ps
      "State policy and management in a crowd-elite society is an agreement reached on the possibilities of various clan-corporate groups in using the state structure and system to achieve their narrowly corporate goals".
      1. rocket757 13 March 2020 09: 01 New
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        I don’t like that they are trying to force us to accept 200 amendments in one package.

        It seems like they were discussed, added / cut .... but then again, who did it and how?
        They, those who did this, only took care of themselves ...
        But we won’t be at ease, because even if such an obvious and accepted in the whole sane world - Responsible government official should be OWN for his own, specific country ... -
        And if he has assets and households with any pets, they live in the territory, from the direction of which there are threats and other nasty things to the country in which he MUST SERVE to ensure the security ??? the situation is not just average, it is frankly insane !!!
        Removed, do not even mention that now !!!
        EVERYTHING, understandably and already no excitement and anticipation. Kina will not be a dagger .... the same as before.
        1. Boris55 13 March 2020 09: 07 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          And if he has assets and households with any pets, they live on the territory, from the direction of which there are threats and other nastiness to that particular country

          If you remember, from the very beginning Putin suggested that the elect would not have any property there. However, the Duma (EP) ignored his amendment.
          1. rocket757 13 March 2020 09: 16 New
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            If you remember, from the very beginning Putin suggested

            Just about the speech, that such a proposal was! And just for him, MANY people would be ready to forgive the other pranks of the upper .... I would even forgive the zeroing and immutability of the results of "grabbing"!
            And now the QUESTION - and naf, naf, we now support everything else, nothing fundamentally NOT CHANGING ..... incl. and zeroing ??? I’m saying KINA WILL NOT!
            1. Boris55 13 March 2020 09: 28 New
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              Quote: rocket757
              And now the QUESTION - and naf, naf, we now support everything else,

              You are against:
              - prohibition of actions aimed at changing the border of the Russian Federation;
              - Establishment of the Russian language as a state entity;
              - Remuneration of at least a living wage, indexation of pensions at least 1 time per year, indexation of social benefits;
              - creating conditions for the country's economic growth;
              - priority of the Constitution of the Russian Federation over international law ... etc.

              All corrections in the internet are available.

              This time it was not possible to forbid them to have real estate abroad, but it was quite predictable - the bees will not come out against honey, so is it worth canceling everything else because of this?
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                Quote: Boris55
                This time it was not possible to forbid them to have real estate abroad, but it was quite predictable - the bees will not come out against honey, is it worth it to cancel everything else because of this?

                Your comments now perfectly illustrate the essence of the undertaking: well, can you really speak out against the priority of Russian laws over international ones, against indexation of pensions, against the status of the Russian language. Indeed, it’s impossible ... And under this “really, it’s impossible”, the thesis about zeroing the deadlines and irremovability of power is being drawn up.

                It's like in certain times with the goods “on load” - I came to the store to buy a can of stew, and it is sold only with adhesive tape for flies ...
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                  Quote: Volodin
                  And now, under this “really impossible”, the thesis about zeroing the deadlines and irremovability of power is being drawn up.

                  Personally, I am for letting a person go on a well-deserved rest and I am sure that this will be so. If, because of your assumptions, you refuse to vote for very specific proposals, will it be right?
                  1. Volodin 13 March 2020 09: 41 New
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                    Quote: Boris55
                    If, due to your assumptions, you refuse to vote for very specific proposals, will it be right?

                    This is my personal opinion and business, I do not impose it on anyone.
                    I do not think it is right to adjust the Basic Law to one person - this is the way to nowhere.
                    1. Boris55 13 March 2020 09: 45 New
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                      Quote: Volodin
                      I don’t think it’s right to fit the Basic Law under one person

                      I am against this too.
                      The fact that the president was given such an opportunity does not mean at all that he will take advantage of it, but it solves the “lame duck” problem when no one wants to deal with the outgoing president. This amendment stabilizes our position in the world and this is a plus.
                      1. Banshee 13 March 2020 14: 43 New
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                        The fact that the president was given such an opportunity does not mean at all that he will take advantage of it


                        Ahaha! You won’t knock him out of the chair! He himself openly talks about this ... Well, in kind, God's dew to heaven ...
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                        Quote: Boris55
                        but it solves the “lame duck” problem when no one wants to deal with the outgoing president.

                        until the "lame duck" another 4 years. Is it too early to limp?
                        Quote: Boris55
                        This amendment stabilizes our position in the world.

                        on the contrary, what is happening with us does not find a desire to stabilize relations with us
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                    Quote: Boris55
                    to release a person on a well-deserved rest

                    until his desire is visible
                    Quote: Boris55
                    and I’m sure it will be so.

                    than confirm?
                    Quote: Boris55
                    If, because of your assumptions, you refuse to vote for very specific proposals, will it be right?

                    "evening money. morning chairs"
                2. rocket757 13 March 2020 09: 50 New
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                  Quote: Volodin
                  And under this “really, it’s impossible”, the thesis about zeroing the deadlines and irremovability of power is being drawn up.

                  Under these theses, all of us, and the country, are pulled over one big ... globe.
                  About a righteous constitutional court and a correct vote count, it will be possible to FORGET if now the majority does not immediately say their PF-E .... although, is there anyone there to even hear it ???
              2. rocket757 13 March 2020 09: 45 New
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                Many amendments are OBVIOUS, REASONABLE and do not cause rejection in a society, practically NOT ANYTHING! Could hold them in working order and not arrange the whole "circus" ... I do not want to participate in the "CIRCUS", which will necessarily be called "popular support" !!!
                I am a principled opponent of THIS AUTHORITY, but what is done reasonably, to strengthen the country and improve the welfare of MY PEOPLE, I support ... and it does not matter who suggested it.
                If there is a benefit \ will be, then it is NECESSARY!
                PS ... basically - THIS POWER and MY COUNTRY, this is not the same thing, please do not confuse.
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                  I do not want to participate in the "CIRCUS", which will necessarily be called "popular support" !!!

                  This "pig" is needed only to for these amendments to take effect immediatelywithout waiting for the re-election of the Duma and the president.
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                    This "pig" is needed only for these amendments to take effect immediately, without waiting for the re-election of the Duma and the president.

                    and what happened to these bodies? Poisoned? Did the coronovirus overtake?
                    As they worked to the detriment of the country, they will work.
              3. DNS-a42 13 March 2020 11: 13 New
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                Quote: Boris55
                - prohibition of actions aimed at changing the border of the Russian Federation;

                It has long been spelled out in the Federal Law.
                Quote: Boris55
                - Establishment of the Russian language as a state entity;

                Now let’s heal.
                Quote: Boris55
                - Remuneration of at least a living wage, indexation of pensions at least 1 time per year, indexation of social benefits;

                It has long been spelled out in the Federal Law.
                Quote: Boris55
                - creating conditions for the country's economic growth;

                They can’t create it for 6 years, but now we’ll rush. Willingly I believe.
                Quote: Boris55
                - priority of the Constitution of the Russian Federation over international law ...

                Always was.
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                This time failed to prevent them from owning property abroad

                the construction of power is built on hypocrisy and lies and its builder is Putin. say that he doesn’t have enough strength to end it, I will not believe it with pleasure! Syria has enough strength, but to deal with the crook - no. He is satisfied with the state of affairs, since "honest" deputies are very easily controlled. That is why they accept everything as a package, and so does the offer of an old woman who has survived from her mind.
                What is the power in general. such is the president and the deputies. Birds of a feather.
                Remind you of his promises?




                His words, literally. He is a master, and there is no faith in him.
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            Do you think that it’s just that the boyars of the king didn’t listen? Or the tsar specifically said this, so that the lackeys think that he cares for them, but such and such boyars interfere with him ... He also has an oprichnaya guard .. For some reason, the boyars do not ignore other initiatives, such as raising the retirement age, and amicably blindly approve of nothing against. All this is disgusting.
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              For some reason, other initiatives, such as raising the retirement age, the boyars do not ignore

              From whom did the initiative to raise the retirement age come from?
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                And here is the whole trick of this hypocrisy ... "The Tsar was forced" ... in response to the numerous wishes of the slaves and the whining of the boyars, that this is the only way they can ensure the maintenance of these slaves ... And again ... he is not bad .. . boyars can’t reduce their appetites ...
                Progressive Tax ... Lowering !!!!
                The king himself said that the reform did not give anything for money, i.e. failed. So why not cancel? Again, the boyars do not give?
                In this case, you are a king or rag podboyarskaya? Do not cope leave! We have been waiting 20 years for the boyars to cut beards, and we have waited for the boyars to turn into “saltychs”.
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                  And here is the whole trick of this hypocrisy ..

                  Are you going to answer a question?
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                    The Government of the Russian Federation (appointed ...), if you really were interested in the answer ..
                    But as I understand it, you already knew that.
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                      Are you going to answer a question?

                      If you think that the initiative to raise the retirement age came from the government, then you are mistaken - this is an IMF proposal.

                      To prevent this from happening in the future, we need an amendment to the Constitution on the supremacy of our law over international law.
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                        From what you wrote above:
                        - prohibition of actions aimed at changing the border of the Russian Federation;
                        - Establishment of the Russian language as a state entity;
                        - Remuneration of at least a living wage, indexation of pensions at least 1 time per year, indexation of social benefits;
                        - creating conditions for the country's economic growth;
                        - priority of the Constitution of the Russian Federation over international law ... etc.

                        The Constitution should be fixed
                        the prohibition of actions aimed at changing the border of the Russian Federation and the priority of the Constitution of the Russian Federation over international law.
                        about the state language, there is already an article in the Constitution.
                        About wages and pensions it’s not in the constitution, it should be a federal law.
                        "creating conditions for the country's economic growth" is simply demagogy.
                        The same goes for the rest of the "amendments." All the fuss in order to get around the two-time limit. Elbasy us to impose.

                        If you think that the initiative to raise the retirement age came from the government, then you are mistaken - this is an IMF proposal.

                        To prevent this from happening in the future, we need an amendment to the Constitution on the supremacy of our law over international law.

                        And this is just funny, i.e. Great and terrible that the whole world is afraid of ...
                        is under the IMF lies? If so, then he has nothing to occupy the current post, if not, what prevented him from sending this initiative to the forest?
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                        This is an IMF proposal.

                        which can not be abandoned? I wonder why?
                        We have the most gold in the world, a bunch of "airbags", and the authorities spread rot for the elderly? Who does the power work for? To a country or to the IMF?
                        30.09.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX Stephen Cohen: Russia is no longer part of the new world order, especially since it refuses to comply with the IMF requirements.
                        It turns out that the IMF can be sent in three letters, when necessary?
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                From whom did the initiative to raise the retirement age come from?

                Really "at the insistent requests of the workers?"
                But seriously, from the IMF, the conductor of which is Putin and Medvedev.
                And as now with
                Quote: Boris55
                priority of the Constitution of the Russian Federation over international law ...

                Will they perform? No, they’ll take it under the visor!
            2. rocket757 13 March 2020 09: 56 New
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              Do you think that it’s just that the boyars of the king didn’t listen?

              I never think so!
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                Victor, I, too, have not the slightest doubt that such a thing can happen. So the upcoming birthday of V.I. Lenin, the founder of the first socialist state,
                mass feeding of slaves "complex lunch" to them. E. Panfilova, this is another deception.
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                  The past must be remembered ... but this should not be the anchor that prevents the “ship” called Russia from moving. The world has changed and will continue to change, we must move on .... with the flow or against, it must be chosen by the citizens of our country ...
                  1. volodimer 13 March 2020 10: 44 New
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                    We have already passed “Vote, or you will lose” ... But while in the popular saying “vote, don’t vote, anyway ...” And you and Boris are right that the changes are ripe and there are things that need to be changed in the Constitution, but the way they are trying to do it now, categorically does not suit me. Returning to the article: it’s good that there are still people in power who express their opinion that is different from the general “approving” one. It is a pity that there are so few of them.
                    1. rocket757 13 March 2020 10: 51 New
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                      Now, if you put one amendment, about the "responsible" \ guiding and their "straw" which they have accumulated over the hill .... against all the other amendments !!! What do you think, what will the PEOPLE vote for ???
  • Odysseus 13 March 2020 08: 31 New
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    Well done, of course. But the real hero is still the deputy of the State Assembly Il Tumen (unicameral parliament of Yakutia) Sulustan Myraan which resigned in connection with the disagreement with the adoption of amendments to the Constitution at the end of the March 12 session, saying that she would not be dishonored. The “Besedinaya’s amendments” that had already become famous were also very strong, which caused such fury at EP. Laughter is still a great power ....
    The coup d'etat, meanwhile, is taking its course, yesterday amendments were adopted in the regions. Now it remains to approve this in Sof on March 14. Fed. And the amendments will take effect.
    PS The fact that the notorious clowning called "voting" on April 22 is just, speaking the language of our authorities, I think the scam is self-evident.
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      You forgot the constitutional court. And on the “scam” you would rather go with like-minded people and vote against. And I remind you that the opinion of our Internet is far from the opinion of the majority of the population. In it, only Putin has already been killed and died several times, so you are more often immersed in reality.
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        Quote: K-612-O
        You forgot the constitutional court.

        According to article 136 of the Constitution, they have already been adopted. On March 14, the Federation Council must approve the vote in the regions. The Kon. Court only verifies the compliance of the decision with the Constitution.
        Quote: K-612-O
        And on the “scam” you would rather go with like-minded people and vote against.

        It’s the same as playing thimble with cheaters in advance knowing that you will lose. This is what cheaters need.
        “Voting” on April 22 is generally illegal. The only point is to gloss over complicity in the crime to as many Russian citizens as possible, that is, to give legitimacy to the decision that has already been taken in the eyes of citizens. And since voting is generally outside the legal plane, it is held in a single package and in random order (up to electronic voting).
        In general, the oligarchic-mafia dictatorship will not be replaced by the fact that you will play by its rules; it will collapse only when you refuse to obey them.
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          You need to take the pills urgently, and tighten the education, regarding the rule of law.
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            It seems to you that neither one nor the other will help ... only a lobotomy ...
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    1. Dart2027 13 March 2020 08: 37 New
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      Quote: sanek45744
      where under their power the general secretaries sat until they died

      Actually, not only the general secretaries.
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        Quote: sanek45744
        How tired of nagging. Especially from the Communists, it’s ridiculous where under their power the general secretaries sat until they die.

        But the PEOPLE did not doubt their future ... and it was not about the place where they thought, where they all end up in the end.
        The question is already, how do we live on ... how will our descendants live?
        1. sanek45744 13 March 2020 09: 14 New
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          I am not saying that everything was bad in the USSR. But in the same USSR, people changed from pushing against time. The same communists in the 80s were no longer like the communists in the 30-50s. Times are changing and people are with him. I’m sure that now whoever sat in the president’s chair would not change anything. So I don’t understand that everyone is clinging to Putin.
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            So I never write that everything was fine in the USSR! The country went through different periods ...
            About the leading party, about its top, if I speak out as I want, a lot of pee pee pee will work.
            Quote: sanek45744
            I’m sure that now whoever sat in the president’s chair would not change anything. So I don’t understand that everyone is clinging to Putin.

            Absolutely AHA! the uppermost, albeit an important figure, but it is ruled by a STABLE SYSTEM !!! And there are many who CAN make their own adjustments to EVERYTHING! collective interest. So it is, this simply cannot be hidden.
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              That's why I say that this nagging is tired. Yes, even the same deputies from city councils and others, already in the caste above the common people, are busy with other things. Although it depends on them more than on the president. I have the life of an ordinary person.
  • axiles100682 13 March 2020 08: 32 New
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    It is strange to hear about authoritarianism and Talitarism from the lips of a representative of a communist party. Well, in general, criticism is not without common sense.
    Although, as for me, the fact that with interchangeability and that of non-substitution of power has both its pluses and minuses.
    If I could, I would suggest every 4 years to conduct a survey of the population based on the results of its work for this period. If the population is dissatisfied with the elections then, if it is enough to extend its authority for another 4 years without elections
  • 7,62h54 13 March 2020 08: 32 New
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    You there in Altai do not create the appearance of protests. Your Zyuganov silently swallowed and agreed with the amendments. Do not jump over the head of the manual.
  • Barmaleyka 13 March 2020 08: 36 New
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    The deputy of the regional legislative assembly says that truly significant proposals for amendments have been noted. For example, we are talking about the refusal to introduce amendments to the fixing of retirement age into the voting package.
    You can still include traffic rules in the Constitution
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      You can still include traffic rules in the Constitution

      Or in the SDA - the Constitution, so that nothing was clear at all, how to steer, where to brake request .
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    1. axiles100682 13 March 2020 08: 50 New
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      Here it is. Neither proposals, nor any thoughts. Only the slogans to remove, throw off, down, give the revolution angry
  • Nikolaevich I 13 March 2020 08: 40 New
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    Well done! Somewhere I saw a "portrait" of a deputy of a "Nanai appearance" who, as the message goes, spoke out against the "amendments" to the constitution ... first, I thought that it would be about him ... But "pleasantly" was mistaken! "There are still women in ... Altai villages!" Which on Putin’s chaff you won’t! Personally, I will not vote for Putin’s constitution ... for me this is not a constitution, but prostitution! Not my constitution ... not my state ... And when you consider that I did not vote for any (!) Of the "involved" presidents of the Russian Federation, then ... why do I need SUCH Russia?
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        1. K-612-O 13 March 2020 10: 36 New
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          Well done! Only I always went to the polls and voted at my discretion for whom I wanted. And I, like millions of my compatriots, chose this power and live in my country. And nobody forbids you to leave MY country if you have nothing to breathe here and the people are a flock for you.
          I am aware of my choice and live in a comfortable and safe country of my choice. If you are so disgusted here, then go ahead, the whole "civilized" world is in front of you.
    2. RosUkrBel 13 March 2020 10: 29 New
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      So why do you live in such a country? The countries of developed capitalism are waiting for you!
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        Quote: RosUkrBel
        So why do you live in such a country? The countries of developed capitalism are waiting for you!

        Do not confuse a fork with a bottle, but a country with a state! As one famous person said: “I love my country, but I hate the state!” If I were much younger, I would still have the opportunity to learn a “foreign language” and focus on the profession that is in demand abroad, then maybe I would leave this mess ... but the "map layout" turned out different! There was a situation when I almost bought a house in Turkey ... the “downed” Su-24 “prevented”! I was considering the possibility of acquiring housing in Thailand! But, again ... this is my country! I was born in it ... I have lived most of my life ... Why should I give my country to bewilders, misunderstandings? And here is a cue to you!
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      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Why do I need SUCH Russia

      Not worth it, with the Motherland ...
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        Not worth it, with the Motherland ...

        I understand you ... what do you mean by that! And respect your opinion! Just .... There is a homeland! And there is ... "SUCH Russia"! In my opinion, these are different concepts!
  • Bully 13 March 2020 08: 40 New
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    Aristotle also said that democracy is good only for city-states (Athens, Rome, etc.). For geographically large states, especially empires, democracy is unacceptable
  • GRIGORIY76 13 March 2020 08: 41 New
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    Here to take the Communist Party, in places like decent people, but in the pocket parliament, Zyuganov and his brother tongue are not taken out of one place in the underground.
    Now, early elections are scheduled, if the so-called communists wanted, they would throw the edro out of the white house, you just need to start calling a spade a spade ... But this will not happen because only one loser in a scam ....
  • akribos 13 March 2020 08: 48 New
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    I am afraid that for the next election amendments will affect Serfdom. For some reason I’m sure that according to the State Statistics Service and the Electoral Commission, the people will support them with an absolute majority of votes.
    It’s sad, but there are no political parties left in the country, there is only One Correct!
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      For some reason I’m sure that according to the State Statistics Service and the Electoral Commission, the people will support them with an absolute majority of votes.
      Do you have any evidence that the State Statistics Service fakes votes? Or do you think that the people cannot decide for themselves how and why they vote for?
  • Zhan 13 March 2020 08: 50 New
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    Here she is right, the amendments to the constitution turned into a booth.
    The thing is different, will anyone hear her?
  • dirk182 13 March 2020 08: 52 New
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    The figure of 22 billion confuses .... there were many times more saved. But the money did not reach the FIU.
    1. Servisinzhener 13 March 2020 09: 08 New
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      22 billion divided between 46 million pensioners will give once for each pensioner about 500 p. Somehow not a lot.
  • Andrey Mikhaylov 13 March 2020 08: 52 New
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    They are all good there. That the Communists are bullshit, judging by the fact that the re-election of deputies and the early elections to the State Duma are the failure of the Communists, you won’t be surprised at all, everyone has one goal, even Putin’s even Navalny. Although the Communists have different sauces .
  • maiman61 13 March 2020 08: 53 New
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    Lord There are normal people in Russia! Not everyone fell below the baseboard, like some kind of tereshkovs, relatives and all sorts of different types!
  • ximkim 13 March 2020 08: 54 New
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    Well done, good deputy .. Now the authorities will start throwing sandals at her for such a statement sad
    1. Avior 13 March 2020 09: 08 New
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      Or in her husband, a businessman ...
      1. ximkim 13 March 2020 09: 11 New
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        Yes .. the system is such that they will definitely make the family suffer ..
    2. GRIGORIY76 13 March 2020 09: 47 New
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      For such people, a regional thought is an edge. All that is higher is sheer rot and thieves.
  • Tatanka Yotanka 13 March 2020 09: 10 New
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    Well, that’s all fell into place, the main amendment from which all the people fell into ecstasy was safely rejected, there were controversial dummies https://ria.ru/20200306/1568242816.html
    1. Livonetc 13 March 2020 09: 18 New
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      It will not be difficult to lay out a list.
      Thanks in advance.
      hi
  • Livonetc 13 March 2020 09: 17 New
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    In the garden of deputies.
    Who knows if voting will be “clean”.
    However, one must participate.
    If the majority votes "For," so be it.
    Every nation gets what it deserves.
  • Konstantin Shevchenko 13 March 2020 09: 20 New
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    Engaged in banal populism, for the sake of a deputy seat. As many noted, it is doubtful that she is a communist.
  • tagil 13 March 2020 09: 23 New
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    I read the comments and I do not understand what the problem is? Time goes on, life changes, so laws must change, including the Constitution.
    According to her, we have discussed the renaming of airports for six months, and people vote individually, and for some reason it is proposed to vote for the amendments to the Constitution in a batch version.
    What prevents this representative of the ruling elite from discussing renaming airports at all, how do they dislike the name Sheremetyevo, are there no other problems?
    The Altai parliamentarian notes that we must frankly admit: many amendments are, in fact, dummies and duplicate federal laws and acts. For example, it is noted that legislation has long spelled out that marriage in Russia is an equal union of a man and a woman.
    Laws can be changed, some sort of Navalny will come and according to the law, our family will have an equal union of pederasts and lesbians, and then what? A constitution is more difficult to change. And as I understand it, everything is against the empire, but let me ask, where does the law or the amended constitution refer to the empire or the emperor? In general, I do not see that this woman is GOOD. Amendments to the Constitution are needed, the only reason I need to hurry with these amendments is I do not understand. Nobody seems to drive us anywhere.
    1. K-612-O 13 March 2020 10: 25 New
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      Judging by the external environment, we are on the verge of a big schucher, in terms of both economics and politics. And a change of government and amendments hint at the start of resource mobilization and the political system. And for this, it is necessary to really quickly stabilize and balance this political system with the coming replacement of the ruling elite with a new generation.
      It is a pity that the near-communist philistinism and the liberals do not see this point blank, and everyone is fighting the “redhead”. Bortsuny pancake.
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        Perhaps you are right and maybe not, since we do not know the whole “picture”, but at the top it is certainly more clearly represented. But in one you are right.
        Judging by the external environment, we are on the verge of a big schucher, in terms of both economics and politics.
        God grant that Putin succeed as he intended. In any case, it will not be worse.
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi 13 March 2020 09: 23 New
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    Well done Maria !!! ++++++++++++
    All right said !!! ++++++
  • Pavel Amarok 13 March 2020 09: 24 New
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    She says something well, no doubt. The easiest way to speak. Specifically, what actions are done?
  • Servisinzhener 13 March 2020 09: 27 New
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    Of course, I, too, for all the good versus all the bad. For honesty, democracy and more ..
    But we must keep in mind that elections are always a technology of manipulation. And from country to country, it differs only in the form of execution.
    For example, in South Korea, each new electoral cycle begins with “new parties” and new “leaders.” But all those who are supposedly slightly lower than these leaders have been sitting there for a very long time and are actually managing.
    The situation is the same in the USA, presidents and other leaders are changing. But at the party leadership level, such a flow is not observed.
    France is the same to remember. Sarkozy, Aland, Macron. We can always choose another one instead of a mess! And I will add to this phrase: Another exactly the same, which just as well managed.
    So in the upcoming vote, I will vote for T.K. the proposed system is more honest than the one that supposedly involves choice and turnover.
    1. RosUkrBel 13 March 2020 10: 13 New
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      Servisinzhener, He said everything correctly and clearly. (Whoever doesn’t understand my comment, read above). For me, the main thing is peace in our country (preferably in the whole world), and Putin, in my understanding, is the guarantor of PEACE and at least some stability! For me personally, Vladimir Vladimirovich did not do anything wrong or anything good. Everything exactly. He left to live in a village from the city and is happy and satisfied. I rely only on myself and my spouse. But I always support Putin !!! But Madame MP hardly quoted her thoughts ... What they gave, then she read it.
      At this point in time, there is no alternative to Putin, well, just NO!

      Who will minus, imagine at least one worthy candidate.
  • rudolff 13 March 2020 09: 36 New
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    Yesterday, Volodin was slightly shocked by the statements. Attacks on Tereshkova regarding the introduction of a well-known amendment are attacks on Russia. Russia's wealth is not oil and gas, it is Putin! Damn, so deeply able to shove your tongue, this talent is needed! Maybe that's why the speaker?
    1. IL-64 13 March 2020 10: 40 New
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      Old school. Probably out of the Komsomol apparatus. This is me about Volodin
  • arhitroll 13 March 2020 09: 39 New
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    Today in the store, the saleswoman said:
    - Need a package?
    I answered her - no, I want to vote on points. I did not understand the humor - so they will accept the amendments ...
  • Vitas 13 March 2020 09: 41 New
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    More and more from the Soviet, becomes a prophecy!
  • yuliatreb 13 March 2020 09: 43 New
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    The childishly naive intrigues that started the GDP suggest that not everything is so good in the Danish kingdom, attempts to raise their rating, as if denying the proposals of the people's representatives, but not rejecting them. It became clear to the majority why changes to the constitution were needed and which goals were being pursued. Then, as a result, "God save the King."
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    I don’t understand why such a panic! in many countries of the world no presidential terms were limited in any case to whom the people will determine who will be the head of state, history says
    - where for a long time one ruler rules in the country, peace and stability reign
    Even take France as an example, which France was stable during the Mitterrand when the presidential term was seven years and was not limited by the re-election of the president (rules from 1981 to 1995 and was not re-elected due to illness) but what is happening now, every ruler is trying to carry out some reforms that do not lead to improvement but to worsening of the lives of their citizens,
    who do not ask everyone nostalgia for the times of Mitterrand
    Or take the same China
    So there is only positive
  • Old partisan 13 March 2020 10: 04 New
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    Of course the lady deputy is offended. And I understand her. Altai Krai is mired in deep poverty. Neither industry, agriculture collapsed. So much so that in the villages of shag the men smoked. no money for cigarettes. And here to the whim of the tops of 14 lards.
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      Smoking is harmful!
  • Krasnodar 13 March 2020 10: 05 New
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    The Communist Party-the Soviet Union collapsed, and Russia will collapse!
    1. RosUkrBel 13 March 2020 10: 34 New
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      Is this a call or a statement?
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        And what do you think? lol
  • Jarserge 13 March 2020 10: 26 New
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    The Communist Party of the Russian Federation and all its members are unprincipled petty-bourgeois politicians. Those who advocate a biting phrase, no matter liberal, left or right, would only pay. So words are words and nothing more. Well, the use of communist symbolism and communist demagogy. But give one essence and more
  • IL-64 13 March 2020 10: 39 New
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    Well done, woman. I'd marry such a
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      Well, go ahead! She's divorced yes
  • Lyapis 13 March 2020 10: 50 New
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    About 14 billion rubles will be spent on this procedure ... I recall that 21 billion were saved on raising the retirement age.

    Everything was fine before this turn. Saved 21 billion on retirement, really? This, God forbid, a couple of months of minimum payments for the same pensioners of the Altai Territory. no
    Regardless of the issue of the referendum, such manipulations and distortions clearly show that the only purpose of this lady was not to enjoy the public good or something like that, but a banal desire to cheaply promote on a relevant topic. However, as always with the Communists. request
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      Now in the age of the Internet it is easy to find any numbers of interest. So if you divide 20 billion into all pensioners of the Altai Territory (2350000 for 18 years), you will receive a lump sum payment of 8,5 thousand per person.
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  • 16112014nk 13 March 2020 11: 28 New
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    From the anti-people government, under the leadership of the "irremovable", nothing else can be expected.
  • master 52 13 March 2020 12: 05 New
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    it’s a pity that not such people accept laws !!!!
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    Putin is in a hurry, because discontent of the people after the pension reform is growing. And the authoritarian system of government in the country began immediately, as soon as it announced the essence of governance - this is the vertical of power. Then in 2000, she was needed. But Putin’s activity has led to the fact that none of the smart and decent people are not allowed to come close to power.
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    The Altai parliamentarian notes that we must frankly admit: many amendments are, in fact, dummies and duplicate federal laws and acts. For example, it is noted that legislation has long spelled out that marriage in Russia is an equal union of a man and a woman.

    Something suspiciously commies in this matter are docked with liberoids.
    Anyway - this is a dumb statement. The Basic Law cannot duplicate anything - it is the Federal Law that its articles can duplicate.
  • seacap 13 March 2020 14: 09 New
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    Good girl, and where are the so-called elected people in the State Duma?
  • faterdom 13 March 2020 14: 17 New
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    That would be her instead of Matvienko!
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  • lBEARl 13 March 2020 16: 34 New
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    Everything that is written correctly, but she also deals with populism.
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    Well, we went through it ....
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    Now, if she went to the presidency, I would vote for her.