Polish officer noted the weaknesses of the Russian command


Polish military experts, who for the most part see Russia as "the number one threat," show increased interest in the country's armed forces. Their structure was described in detail for the publication Defense24 by the lieutenant colonel of the reserve Mark Grieg. On the whole, he gave a rather positive assessment of the organization of command and control in the Russian Federation, while pointing out a number of weaknesses.


The decisions made by the Russians [in the field of subordination], however, are not ideal

- the officer writes.

According to him, the airborne and transport aviation obey the General Staff separately. According to him, this is acceptable for peacetime, but in the event of a crisis, aircraft will have to be reassigned to paratroopers, at least temporarily. This can be confusing to manage.

It is also a universal command organization, regardless of state security. This allows potential opponents to carefully study all the links in peacetime, preparing to strike at key elements of the system.

According to the author, the stationary deployment of the command infrastructure also facilitates this task, which allows it to be previously disabled. The General Staff of the Russian Federation is trying to partially solve this problem, relying on the IL-96 air command posts, however, their small size and low efficiency should be taken into account.
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  1. Victor_B 13 March 2020 05: 20 New
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    Polish officer appreciated the weaknesses of the Russian command
    Poles are well-known specialists in "weak spots".
    On my own experience.
    Solid weak spot.
    1. Vladimir_2U 13 March 2020 05: 38 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      Poles are well-known specialists in "weak spots".
      And also the Poles (the music from the Benny Hill show sounds) specialists in the Airborne Forces and VTA, and especially for their massive joint use:
      however, in the event of a crisis, aircraft will have to be reassigned to the paratroopers, at least temporarily

      And when military musicians are being transported, the BTA does not need to be reassigned to the Military Orchestra Service of the Moscow Region, temporarily? We are waiting for the report of Polish analysts. )))
      1. Victor_B 13 March 2020 05: 42 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        And when military musicians are being transported, the BTA does not need to be reassigned to the Military Orchestra Service of the Moscow Region, temporarily? We are waiting for the report of Polish analysts.

        Well, you can’t set such difficult tasks right away
        flat
        to the experts! laughing

        Quote: Thrifty
        Now also flat Espreters
      2. Serg koma 13 March 2020 06: 03 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        And when military musicians are being transported, the BTA does not need to be reassigned to the Military Orchestra Service of the Moscow Region, temporarily?

        To the colonel, from the zucchini 13 chairs, it is better to know who should obey whom.
        1. Insurgent 13 March 2020 06: 40 New
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          Quote: Thrifty
          flat "espresses" decided to be smart?


          good good good

          Yet Ploska nie zginęła! /Still Flat not dead /
          1. Vladimir_2U 13 March 2020 06: 45 New
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            We ask for kindling! )))
            1. Insurgent 13 March 2020 06: 47 New
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              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              We ask for kindling! )))

              You are mistaken, did not even smolder.
        2. Vladimir_2U 13 March 2020 06: 49 New
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          It seems that Pan Colonel was working undercover there, because there wasn’t such a character in official history, except perhaps Pan Regulator. )))
          1. venik 13 March 2020 10: 23 New
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Pan Colonel

            =======
            He is not a colonel: he is under the colonel ..... wassat
    2. Nehist 13 March 2020 07: 07 New
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      Incidentally, General Shamanov insisted on his own aviation in the Airborne Forces. But judging by what they write here, the commentators equated him with the Polish colonel
      1. Vladimir_2U 13 March 2020 07: 39 New
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        Yes, it would not be a pity if it weren’t wildly expensive.
      2. orionvitt 13 March 2020 14: 55 New
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        Landing it one of the functions. military transport aviation, which in addition to this, still performs a huge number of other tasks. And subordinating it exclusively to the Airborne Forces, in my opinion, is not entirely advisable. Then it turns out that the Airborne Forces will be engaged in all military cargo transportation, which is not in their competence at all. Their task is to fight, not to engage in logistics. So, everything is true, "to God is divine, and to Caesar Caesarean."
    3. Azazelo 13 March 2020 08: 26 New
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      Let them tell Muhamed Ali what his weak points in boxing are ...
    4. tihonmarine 13 March 2020 09: 13 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      Poles are well-known specialists in "weak spots".

      It’s for sure, “whose cows would moo, and the Polish one would be silent.”
    5. venik 13 March 2020 10: 20 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      Poles are well-known specialists in "weak spots".
      On my own experience. Solid weak spot.

      ======
      There, in my opinion, the "weakest spot" is HEAD! It is usually replaced by the famous Polish GONOR !!! request
    6. Paul Siebert 13 March 2020 10: 21 New
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      The only mistake of our Armed Forces is that they left Poland in 1991. Like from all of Eastern Europe!
      True, the fact that the Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Army the other day caught a coronavirus is a little pleased.
      Not gloating - just smiling! wink
      1. Doliva63 13 March 2020 18: 37 New
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        Quote: Paul Siebert
        The only mistake of our Armed Forces is that they left Poland in 1991. Like from all of Eastern Europe!
        True, the fact that the Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Army the other day caught a coronavirus is a little pleased.
        Not gloating - just smiling! wink

        This is not a mistake of the Armed Forces, but of those who controlled them. Suns themselves from the Group would never have left laughing
    7. Den717 13 March 2020 13: 11 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      Solid weak spot.

      Well, why aren't you so tolerant? They have one solid strong place, only covered with one blow wassat . The truth is then wiped off the floor for a long time, but this is the task of future generations of new residents. crying
      1. ™ Ramzes ™ 13 March 2020 15: 21 New
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        "In any incomprehensible situation - start dividing Poland" (c) :))))))))
        1. Den717 13 March 2020 15: 47 New
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          Quote: ™ Ramzes ™
          "In any incomprehensible situation - start dividing Poland" (c) :))))))))

          With whom? What for?
    8. Lelek 13 March 2020 18: 20 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      Solid weak spot.

      hi
      And now it’s even more solid:
  2. Thrifty 13 March 2020 05: 20 New
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    Now, even the flat “espresses” decided to make a fuss of? Somehow, without their pointers, we ourselves will understand our shortcomings.
    1. Victor_B 13 March 2020 05: 22 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Somehow, without their pointers, we ourselves will understand our shortcomings.
      Yeah, where are we, Sivolapim ...
      Without a wise, caring assessment of pshek?

      Now also flat Espreters
      Beautiful little one! To this topic! laughing
      1. Thrifty 13 March 2020 05: 27 New
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        Victor V hi -This is not a scoop, it is a fact! What country, there are such "experts"!
        1. Victor_B 13 March 2020 05: 30 New
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          Quote: Thrifty
          this is not a bug, it is a fact! What country, there are such "experts"!

          It is logical!
          And you, oh well, what is there - YOU, my friend, is not simple, oh not simple! drinks
  3. Ross xnumx 13 March 2020 05: 23 New
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    Polish officer appreciated the weaknesses of the Russian command

    Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side. This feature - to analyze the actions of the Russian command, is inherent in the former cadets from the countries of the socialist camp - graduates of military schools of the USSR and students of academies.
    yes
  4. bessmertniy 13 March 2020 05: 23 New
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    There are no limits to the perfection of command. And the Poles with their advice to others will soon become a country of advice. wassat
    1. Uncle lee 13 March 2020 05: 37 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      command excellence

      They were advised ... The presidential plane near Smolensk is an example to us ...
      No matter how blasphemous it may sound.
      1. bessmertniy 13 March 2020 06: 00 New
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        When each man himself pan, it always leads to sad consequences. recourse crying request
  5. sen
    sen 13 March 2020 05: 26 New
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    According to him, the Airborne Forces and transport aviation are subordinate to the General Staff separately. According to him, this is acceptable for peacetime, but in the event of a crisis, aircraft will have to be reassigned to paratroopers, at least temporarily. This can be confusing to manage.

    Sheer stupidity. Transport aviation is designed to solve a wide range of problems, and not just for the airborne forces.
  6. Nikolaevich I 13 March 2020 05: 33 New
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    It would be nice to ask the Polish "appraisers": how long was Poland going to fight against Hitler? How was she going to defeat Germany? Did Shikoko Poland hold out in real life? About a month ? They say that this is still a lot (!), Given the "talent" of the Polish "appraisers" of that time!
    1. Victor_B 13 March 2020 05: 35 New
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      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Did Shikoko Poland hold out in real life?
      The funny thing is that the “Pavlov’s house” in Stalingrad lasted longer than Poland and, even, France!
      1. Doliva63 13 March 2020 18: 41 New
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        Quote: Victor_B
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Did Shikoko Poland hold out in real life?
        The funny thing is that the “Pavlov’s house” in Stalingrad lasted longer than Poland and, even, France!

        I do not understand what is funny about this?
  7. carstorm 11 13 March 2020 05: 35 New
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    Stationary command posts in the event of simply revealing signs of an attack on the country will be hid so deeply that you will sweat for searching. I understand that a person has not seen, for example, CP air defense at clean ponds, and there are many of them in working condition now too. and where are they figs who knows.
  8. rotmistr60 13 March 2020 05: 51 New
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    Polish lieutenant colonel reserve wrinkling his forehead drew his conclusions. I just don’t understand how the "universal command organization" enables Polish strategists to "carefully study all the links of government"? In the Russian army, management teams are not transmitted by voice along the chain, no one has canceled the secrecy regime, the HF and the ZAC function perfectly and operates much more effectively than in some NATO countries. There are ZKP (reserve command posts) in case of a special period, etc. So how do Polish wise men “carefully” study all the links of government? This they shouted in the west of the country, in the east they heard.
  9. Kapkan 13 March 2020 06: 16 New
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    I read, yawned, and began to leaf through articles of VO ...
  10. rocket757 13 March 2020 07: 06 New
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    Polish military experts,

    Yes, and we have different opinions .... but the Giraffe is BIG, he often doesn’t hear anyone down, or even doesn’t listen to him. In general, as well as many other places.
  11. Mavrikiy 13 March 2020 09: 00 New
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    reserve lieutenant colonel Mark Grieg
    The most competent reserve lieutenants. repeat We look forward to their opinions.
  12. alavrin 13 March 2020 10: 05 New
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    Their message is amusing in general: Russia intends to fight with Poland. Only Polish can compete with this Polish idiocy at the state level. They are also seriously preparing for the Russian attack.
    For me, they are just trying to justify their meaningless existence.
  13. Vasyan1971 13 March 2020 10: 23 New
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    Another Pole analytic.
  14. Stalnov I.P. 13 March 2020 10: 45 New
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    What a clever Pole, when the last time Poland fought and won, when this officer was in the thick of the fighting. Maybe about the Americans, something to say?
  15. iouris 13 March 2020 10: 45 New
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    I think that not all weak points were noted, and far from the weakest points.
  16. unhappy 13 March 2020 10: 59 New
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    Pity the wretched, write at least one positive review repeat
  17. Operator 13 March 2020 11: 54 New
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    Overweighted armored vehicles of the Airborne Forces have long ago been landing only on promotional videos, but in fact they are ground-based rapid reaction forces.

    Parachutes now are solely the prerogative of the MTR, and even then not always, since there are helicopters.
    1. Doliva63 13 March 2020 18: 53 New
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      Quote: Operator
      Overweighted armored vehicles of the Airborne Forces have long ago been landing only on promotional videos, but in fact they are ground-based rapid reaction forces.

      Parachutes now are solely the prerogative of the MTR, and even then not always, since there are helicopters.

      Well, not. The Airborne Forces have both airborne assault units and subunits, as well as parachute assault forces, the former, yes, are heavy, and the latter are quite capable of being used from the air. Another thing - and who needs it? But it will be necessary, they will jump. And parachutes are not the prerogative of MTRs there, but of circumstances, like helicopters. And by the way, I still do not understand the meaning of these MTRs - some kind of strange mixture of SPN and DShV. Who did they copy from, I wonder?
      1. Operator 13 March 2020 19: 08 New
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        On the contrary, the parachute units of the Airborne Forces had exhausted themselves even in the USSR, because in a combat situation the enemy would have shot down IL-76 transport on approach to the front line. A low-speed high-speed parachute landing of saboteurs and scouts or the use of gliding parachutes by them is not related to the Airborne Forces from the word at all.

        According to the definition on the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: MTR is a structural subdivision of the Ministry of Defense - a command subordinate directly to the General Staff of the Armed Forces (unlike Soviet special forces, subordinate to the GRU of the General Staff of the Armed Forces). MTRs perform the same tasks as the Soviet special forces.
        1. Doliva63 13 March 2020 19: 28 New
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          You get a little excited. The combat situation may be different, so no one has yet canceled the airborne landing by parachute method and will not cancel it for a long time. Low-altitude landing in the Airborne Forces has always been practiced - “athletes” and scouts, they were pretty much not aware of them in the Airborne Forces right now, but right now, but I think there are. But just a different reconnaissance, including Spn, practically does not use the parachute method. The maximum is for assault from helicopters or landing, for secrecy is the main requirement, and the flight of the aircraft is an event that is difficult to hide.
          I did not understand about MTR: how is submission to the GRU of the General Staff different from submission to the General Staff? What, GRU GSH - not GSH? And then, in GS, then there must be someone who deals with these MTRs, because it’s clear that they’re not head of SSH, which means that we also created a management / department, like, we carried out optimization laughing
          And further. Spruce performs the same tasks as the Special Forces of the USSR Armed Forces, which means that they are working for the GRU. And what is the trick? This is despite the fact that no one has canceled the SPN compounds in intelligence, they are. Some kind of Chuhnah, don’t you? Spawn entities for nothing.
          1. Operator 13 March 2020 19: 41 New
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            IL-76 will be shot down in any situation.

            Reconnaissance is not the main force of the Airborne Forces; scouts are always equipped differently.

            The work of the SSO GSH is broader than the tasks of the SNU GRU GSH - see the same Syria or Crimea. In addition, the SN of the current GU General Staff did not disappear anywhere, it simply numerically decreased by two orders of magnitude, began to be formed exclusively from the officers with knowledge of foreign languages ​​and the skills of undercover work, and is intended for conducting spot operations exclusively behind the front line.
            1. Doliva63 13 March 2020 20: 05 New
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              IL-76 will not be shot down in any situation. In Syria, for example, how will the same barmalei bring him down?
              Reconnaissance of the Airborne Forces is not the main force, but one of the most important.
              Brigades of the Special Staff of the Main Staff of the General Staff are formed from officers ?! Where did you get this from?
              You see, in the 80s there was the experience of forming just a company of officers. I don’t remember how long that company extended, but it was eventually dispersed as meaningless. And now whole brigades? I do not believe. Source of information, please!
              1. Operator 13 March 2020 22: 33 New
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                Where did you see the airborne parachute landing in Syria? laughing

                The brigades of the Special Staff of the Main Directorate of the General Staff are disbanded. There are not companies in the GU, but special forces detachments of several dozen officers each for front-line operations, specialized in individual theater operations.
                1. Doliva63 14 March 2020 18: 11 New
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                  Quote: Operator
                  Where did you see the airborne parachute landing in Syria? laughing

                  The brigades of the Special Staff of the Main Directorate of the General Staff are disbanded. There are not companies in the GU, but special forces detachments of several dozen officers each for front-line operations, specialized in individual theater operations.

                  The fact that there was no landing in Syria does not mean that it does not make sense, just Assad has no opportunities for this.
                  Where did you get the idea that OBRSpN disbanded? Where do you get the information? I already asked to indicate the source, at least Wikipedia, or something. In Togliatti, the brigade did not disappear, near Novosib, near Rostov, and so on.
                  And the Spn detachment is not a few dozen people, it is, in fact, a battalion. In my time, being in the RPD, they were called battalions, only in the case of combat use they became detachments. Have you heard about the "Muslim battalions"? They were also units.
                  1. Operator 14 March 2020 20: 13 New
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                    All brigades of the Special Operations Directorate of the General Staff are transformed into brigades of the Special Operations Directorate of the General Staff - see the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation where there is no mention of units of special forces of brigade and battalion levels.

                    Another thing is the specialized detachments of the Special Forces under the General Staff of the General Staff, the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, the Commander-in-Chief of the VKS and the Strategic Missile Forces.

                    Specialized Special Forces detachments also exist at the FSB, SVR, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Russian Guard, the Federal Penitentiary Service and some other departments.
                    1. Doliva63 15 March 2020 18: 37 New
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                      Quote: Operator
                      All brigades of the Special Operations Directorate of the General Staff are transformed into brigades of the Special Operations Directorate of the General Staff - see the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation where there is no mention of units of special forces of brigade and battalion levels.

                      Another thing is the specialized detachments of the Special Forces under the General Staff of the General Staff, the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, the Commander-in-Chief of the VKS and the Strategic Missile Forces.

                      Specialized Special Forces detachments also exist at the FSB, SVR, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Russian Guard, the Federal Penitentiary Service and some other departments.

                      Tell me the link, I didn’t find a word about SPN on the MO website.
                      1. Operator 15 March 2020 18: 57 New
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                        On the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation information is published only at the level of types and arms of the troops, as well as individual commands of direct subordination of the General Staff. The structure of Special Forces detachments of direct subordination to the main administrations and commands of the Moscow Region is not disclosed.

                        Information about the detachments of the Special Forces of the Navy, the Air Force, the Strategic Rocket Forces and the Main Directorate, as well as the FSB, SVR, FSO, Rosguard, FSIN, etc. available on the internet.
                      2. Doliva63 16 March 2020 19: 50 New
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                        Quote: Operator
                        On the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation information is published only at the level of types and arms of the troops, as well as individual commands of direct subordination of the General Staff. The structure of Special Forces detachments of direct subordination to the main administrations and commands of the Moscow Region is not disclosed.

                        Information about the detachments of the Special Forces of the Navy, the Air Force, the Strategic Rocket Forces and the Main Directorate, as well as the FSB, SVR, FSO, Rosguard, FSIN, etc. available on the internet.

                        Air Force, Strategic Rocket Forces Special Forces? It is something! Special reconnaissance (special units and subunits) - these are units and subunits conducting reconnaissance in the interests of troops to a depth of 300 km or more. They are capable of using special equipment and special armaments, as well as actively working with the local population in the interests of all the same troops. What does the FSB, the FSIN, etc., have to do with it?
                      3. Operator 16 March 2020 20: 52 New
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                        Modern Special Forces are not only intelligence, but also sabotage, as well as counter-intelligence and counter-sabotage actions, the fight against terrorism and extremism, the protection of diplomatic missions, the capture of armed criminals, the suppression of riots in prisons, etc. etc.

                        By the way, why, in your opinion, is the SPN conducting reconnaissance precisely at a depth of 300 km or more beyond the front line - at a depth of less than 300 km an MTR works, so what? laughing
  • Prisoner 13 March 2020 12: 00 New
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    The self-conceit among the Poles is not a rare thing. What should the reservist do in his spare time, except how to puff out his cheeks and "teach dolphins to swim"?
  • sailor roman 13 March 2020 12: 02 New
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    In my opinion, one of the weaknesses in the Russian Armed Forces is the extreme centralization of the command and control of the Armed Forces. In peacetime, it still works somehow, but in wartime, when the situation in various directions changes every minute, the command of associations, formations, fleets, military units and ships on the ground should be able to independently decide on combat operations.
    1. orionvitt 13 March 2020 15: 04 New
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      Quote: sailor Roman
      One of the weaknesses in the Russian Armed Forces is the extreme centralization of the command and control of the Armed Forces.

      Offering a "cancer swan and pike"? Each level of command has its own competence and the degree of tasks to be solved. Moreover, it was built not from scratch, but based on vast experience.
    2. Doliva63 13 March 2020 19: 01 New
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      Quote: sailor Roman
      In my opinion, one of the weaknesses in the Russian Armed Forces is the extreme centralization of the command and control of the Armed Forces. In peacetime, it still works somehow, but in wartime, when the situation in various directions changes every minute, the command of associations, formations, fleets, military units and ships on the ground should be able to independently decide on combat operations.

      What I like about VO - here you can with the most intelligent look lay out your only true opinion about what you have no idea at all (which I myself use) laughing
      But here is the backfill question - have you ever heard the term "covert troop control"? Study at your leisure, all questions will disappear. drinks
  • Dmitry V. 13 March 2020 12: 17 New
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    in the event of a crisis, the aircraft will have to be reassigned to the paratroopers, at least temporarily. This can be confusing to manage.


    Teach your grandmother to suck eggs.
    Military transport aircraft performs a wide range of tasks and the functions of troop transfer are almost top priority. Airborne operations are not carried out every day, and keeping even a part of military transport aircraft without use is apparently a purely Polish tradition ...
    1. Doliva63 13 March 2020 19: 08 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      in the event of a crisis, the aircraft will have to be reassigned to the paratroopers, at least temporarily. This can be confusing to manage.


      Teach your grandmother to suck eggs.
      Military transport aircraft performs a wide range of tasks and the functions of troop transfer are almost top priority. Airborne operations are not carried out every day, and keeping even a part of military transport aircraft without use is apparently a purely Polish tradition ...

      No, it’s not a matter of tradition, because the Poles had neither normal airborne forces nor BTAs, and never will be. The point is absolute ignorance of the subject. Let him even study the events of the 68th year in terms of the use of the VTA, airborne forces, etc. - he gets stupid from his stupidity.
  • K-50 13 March 2020 12: 56 New
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    Polish military experts, who for the most part see Russia as "the number one threat," show increased interest in the country's armed forces. Their structure was described in detail for the publication Defense24 by the lieutenant colonel of the reserve Mark Grieg. On the whole, he gave a rather positive assessment of the organization of command and control in the Russian Federation, while pointing out a number of weaknesses.

    One thing amazes me is that people who have not shown themselves in any way on the military path, express some kind of "expert" assessments of these or other types of weapons, training and command and control.
    Especially the Poles, whose heyday was one hundred years ago and no longer showed themselves in any way. request
    For that, the "experts"! fellow lol
  • sleeve 13 March 2020 14: 11 New
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    That's honest. Of course, it would be nice to sit down to discuss with the "specialists" given in the article. But it will not work. Therefore, a modest analysis of what was read with calculations based on it:
    1. The West has different management systems and interactions for different situations, that is, it uses unusual protocols with raw performance.
    2. Reliance on mobile command posts opens up great opportunities for counteracting electronic warfare systems, long-range air defense systems, and near-space weapons.
    3. The officers of NATO (Poland) are not particularly versed in the system and the validity of interaction and reassignment of troops in the operational interests.
  • ™ Ramzes ™ 13 March 2020 15: 18 New
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    After the phrase "Polish officer," I couldn’t read the article normally from laughter .....
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    And I would ask these little lights of military thought a simple question: why in the Second World War did heroic Polish officers die as a percentage of the total number of personnel 10 times less than in other armies of the world? Or why the Anders army, dressed, shod and armed with the USSR, fled to Iran instead of the battlefield during the most difficult time for the USSR, while French Normandy-Niemen pilots from all over occupied Europe fled to the USSR to fight and die in the Russian sky . Polish warriors have a lot of arrogance and arrogance, but alas, military talents and true heroism.
  • no matter 14 March 2020 14: 19 New
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    The Poles do not know how to fight, it makes no sense to listen to what they crow.
  • ppgt90 14 March 2020 21: 42 New
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    Well, the Polish military has a very "rich" experience in conducting military operations. Here on Westerplatte they accidentally shot and fell into the "national heroes". They even sang a song about it. And in Warsaw, the uprising started unsuccessfully, they expected that the Russians would rush to their aid and again the Germans killed them there and captured everyone. Well, and how, in your opinion, not to become experts ?. Do this, it’s not for you to feed a pound of raisins to piglets. Here a special skill is needed. The truth is that the "brave military freaks" for the Poles ended. And then they still did not pretend to be such pretzels.