Bloomberg: Indonesia refused to purchase Russian Su-35 fighters

Bloomberg: Indonesia refused to purchase Russian Su-35 fighters

Indonesia will not buy Russian fighters, the country's authorities decided not to conclude a contract for the supply of 11 Su-35 fighters for a total of $ 1,1 billion. It is reported by Bloomberg.


According to the agency, this decision was made under pressure from the United States, which threatened Jakarta with sanctions. There is currently no confirmation of this information, no official statements have been received from the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS), which is negotiating with Indonesia.

It should be noted that the statement on the termination of the contract for the supply of Russian Su-35 fighters of the Indonesian Air Force is not published for the first time. Last March, it was also stated that Jakarta abandoned Russian fighters under US pressure. However, the later leadership of Indonesia denied these rumors, saying that Jakarta was quite satisfied with the military, technical and price parameters of Russian weapons. American sanctions, which frighten the Indonesian leadership for acquiring Russian aircraft, also did not affect the final decision on the already signed contract.

Earlier, the Indonesian ambassador to the Russian Federation, Mohamad Wahid Supriadi, said that technical problems that arose in Indonesia itself, which had nothing to do with American sanctions, hindered the supply of Russian aircraft to Indonesia.

However, we will not exclude the option of Indonesia's actual refusal from Russian fighters. However, you need to wait for the official statement of the Russian side.

Su-35 is a deeply upgraded super-maneuverable multi-generation fighter "4 ++", possessing almost all the signs of a fifth-generation aircraft, except for low visibility.
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  1. Aerodrome 12 March 2020 18: 18 New
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    Bloomberg: Indonesia refused to purchase Russian Su-35 fighters
    as ? and oil? here is a bummer ...
    1. evgenii67 12 March 2020 18: 24 New
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      What is oil? We do not refuse it, because sanctions are not imposed on it. How did this gigimon get it, they do what they want and where they want. You don’t buy from these, you take atat from us differently. And there’s no escape from this campaign. And here still in the country it seems the next crisis is being planned, they did not have time to get off their knees, when they fell again.
      1. Aerodrome 12 March 2020 18: 25 New
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        Quote: evgenii67
        What is oil? We do not refuse it, because sanctions are not imposed on it. How did this gigimon get it, they do what they want and where they want. You don’t buy from these, you take atat from us differently. And there’s no escape from this campaign. And here still in the country it seems the next crisis is being planned, they did not have time to get off their knees, when they fell again.

        you understood correctly ...
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          1. Aerodrome 12 March 2020 18: 37 New
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            Quote: Malyuta
            Nevermind he didn’t understand

            so you are about the same thing, only in different languages!
            1. Shurik70 12 March 2020 18: 51 New
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              Indians have seven Fridays in a week.
              Today refused. Change your mind tomorrow. The day after tomorrow they will agree, but the deal is three times smaller, and so that they are compatible with the NATO missile and the Israeli guidance system.
              1. Vasyan1971 12 March 2020 20: 30 New
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                Quote: Shurik70
                Indians have seven Fridays in a week.

                Indians?
                And you, I'm sorry, do not confuse Sweden with Switzerland and Austria with Australia, in the mood? belay
                1. Shurik70 12 March 2020 22: 00 New
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                  Quote: Vasyan1971

                  Indians?
                  And you, I'm sorry, do not confuse Sweden with Switzerland and Austria with Australia, in the mood? belay

                  Oh damn ...
                  SHA-A-AMAN ... the mood is really good
                  drinks
                  Rewrite the announcement ...
                  1. Vasyan1971 12 March 2020 23: 16 New
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                    Quote: Shurik70
                    Oh damn ...

                    It happens! wink hi
          2. ZAV69 12 March 2020 18: 41 New
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            Does someone make you buy palm oil products with a stick?
            1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 18: 44 New
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              Do we have products without it? Ide?
              1. ZAV69 12 March 2020 18: 50 New
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                The store is natural. And what is wrong ? Look what you buy and you will be happy.
                1. Ross xnumx 13 March 2020 03: 42 New
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                  Quote: ZAV69
                  The store is natural. And what is wrong ? Look what you buy and you will be happy.

                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Do not hapay without looking at everything that is cheaper and you will be happy without oil.

                  If you’re so smart, why don’t you build? belay
                  If the grandmother has a pension of a little more than 8 thousand, if she spends 3 for communal services (200-room, lives alone - her husband died), if she gets 2 rubles a day for all expenses, then she takes milk for 200 rubles a liter ( in Mary Ra). And you can doldon her all day that the palm oil contained in it is harmful to the body.
                  1. ZAV69 13 March 2020 16: 11 New
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                    And who poured it (oil) into milk? Yes, part of the cream was removed from whole milk with a separator, then it was pasteurized, but no one poured oil there. Before you write with a smart look, study the subject of what you write. Oil goes to all kinds of cottage cheese, curds, butter spread, but not milk.
              2. Piramidon 12 March 2020 19: 06 New
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                Quote: From Siberia we
                Do we have products without it? Ide?

                Do not hapay without looking at everything that is cheaper and you will be happy without oil.
                1. Lannan Shi 12 March 2020 20: 00 New
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                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Do not hapay without looking at everything that is cheaper and you will be happy without oil.

                  And practically does not depend on the price. If you don’t take absolutely pathos brands, whose price per kilo of cheese is comparable to the price of an engine from ICBMs, visit stores where, let’s say, for dairy products without a palm tree, there are special shelves with a tag BZMZH (without milk fat substitute). Make a discovery for yourself that the price and written on the label affect the composition of the product very weakly.
                  By the way. The Council did not get cheaper cheaper in a country where there were officially only 20 million beggars, it was, and now it will be under 40 .... It sounds extremely disgusting.
                  PS
                  Although not right. Not extremely vile, but extremely vile.
                  1. ZAV69 12 March 2020 20: 19 New
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                    Palm is only in milk. Do not take milk and that's it ....
                    Quote: Lannan Shi
                    Although not right. Not extremely vile, but extremely vile.

                    No, it smacks of hypocrisy on your part
                    1. Voyager 12 March 2020 21: 36 New
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                      Quote: ZAV69
                      Palm is only in milk. Do not take milk and that's it ....

                      In the sense? Any pastries, cookies and other such - wherever you look, almost everywhere a palm tree.
                      1. ZAV69 12 March 2020 22: 31 New
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                        In the sense? Any pastries, cookies and other such - wherever you look, almost everywhere a palm tree.

                        There is no palm in the biscuit, there is only an egg in the recipe. Fats only in shortcrust pastry. Afraid - pecks yourself.
                      2. Nikolay3 20 March 2020 02: 11 New
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                        ZAV69! In baking 95-98% palm oil, including sponge cake! Where vegetable oil is simply indicated, it is also palm oil ...
                      3. Golovan Jack 20 March 2020 02: 38 New
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                        Quote: Nikolay3
                        In baking 95-98% palm oil

                        By volume, al by weight? Although I love - it’s some kind of liquid baking ... it’s some kind of nonsense request
                      4. ZAV69 20 March 2020 17: 28 New
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                        Quote: Nikolay3
                        including a biscuit!

                        There is no butter at all in the biscuit, egg + sugar + flour. Only form is lubricated with oil. Creamy. Give you the exact recipe or do you find it yourself?
                  2. Fat
                    Fat 13 March 2020 08: 34 New
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                    Quote: Voyager
                    Any pastries, cookies and other such - wherever you look, almost everywhere a palm tree.

                    Well, why, it comes across bread and pastries and pastry with other types of MARGARINE, for example with soy ... Soy is now in 2nd place after palm oil.
                  3. Igor E. 13 March 2020 11: 53 New
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                    A palm tree is everywhere! Confectionery! Semi-finished products! Sausages! In your opinion, you can say so do not eat if there is poison!? .. Do not want to eat the advertised products, do not eat! ... Wildness! You justify the ruling group-cynical and vile!
                  4. Negruz 13 March 2020 14: 07 New
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                    Previously, the ruling group stuffed margarine into all such goods ....
                    Do you know what it is?
            2. Dart 12 March 2020 21: 39 New
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              Again howled ... already tired ..
          3. Malyuta 12 March 2020 21: 38 New
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            Quote: Piramidon
            Do not hapay without looking at everything that is cheaper and you will be happy without oil.

            Yeah, it’s good for you to live rich, you have a choice, and the teacher in the kindergarten s / n 15 thousand and two Gavrika houses, and housing and communal services in half pay and what is her choice ???
            You this, leave your advice to yourself, do not anger the people!
            1. Plyushkin 13 March 2020 00: 09 New
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              I realized that Malyuta is a kindergarten teacher with a salary of 15 thousand, and she really does not like palm oil. But, I want to ask her - where in Russia is 7.5 thousand housing and communal services per person, I wonder?
              1. Mordvin 3 13 March 2020 21: 17 New
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                Quote: Plyushkin
                where in Russia housing and communal services 7.5 thousand per person, I wonder?

                I have. I pay 900 rubles for one garbage collection.
            2. Negruz 13 March 2020 14: 09 New
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              If you remove the palm, then the teacher of kindergarten dairy products will be inaccessible from the word "completely" ....
              Do not buy - and now there is an opportunity ....
              1. Plyushkin 13 March 2020 17: 23 New
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                The palm can be different, but you don’t understand this, you didn’t like ...
                And yet, tell me, where are kindergarten teachers inaccessible high-quality dairy products? In Nikolaev?
        2. Golovan Jack 13 March 2020 21: 13 New
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          Ide?

          On the nail. There is, even at a price it’s easy to distinguish if suddenly small letters merge into one yes
      2. Victorio 12 March 2020 20: 06 New
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        Quote: ZAV69
        Does someone make you buy palm oil products with a stick?

        ====
        you have to look good so that there is no palm oil in the product
        // even if the oil itself does not appear in the list of components, this does not mean at all that it is not masked by any other definition - vegetable fat, vegetable fat substitute, palmitic acid //
        Source: https://agrarii.com/v-kakih-produktah-est-palmovoe-maslo-spisok/
        1. Plyushkin 13 March 2020 17: 32 New
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          Who are you really, Victor or Victorio? Victorio - what is this?
          Do not be offended, but something in between. It’s normal for someone, but for me it’s not clear, is hemophroditis?
      3. Ingvar 72 12 March 2020 21: 32 New
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        Quote: ZAV69
        Does someone make you buy palm oil products with a stick?

        With this logic, you can allow porn on TV (do not like it - don’t look), and legalize the drug trade (do not like it - don’t inject) wink
        1. Golovan Jack 12 March 2020 21: 36 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: ZAV69
          Does someone make you buy palm oil products with a stick?

          With this logic, you can allow porn on TV (do not like it - don’t look), and legalize the drug trade (do not like it - don’t inject) wink

          “Ingvar”, I have already told you that your analogies do not withstand even minimal criticism. Forced to repeat it request
          1. Ingvar 72 12 March 2020 21: 58 New
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            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Forced to repeat it

            Make a note of ten more repetitions. Tell the curators what I allowed. wink
            1. Golovan Jack 12 March 2020 22: 04 New
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
              I allowed

              I don’t need it. And develop logic, my friend, old age will come - savsam will be late request
          2. Plyushkin 13 March 2020 18: 41 New
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            Golovan, the question is for you, how to adequate, who captured the forum "military review"? I ask you, as one of the adequate, whom I remember ... It seems that the Communists have entered into an alliance with dill, no?
            I’m watching, you’ve been completely bombarded.
            In vain, when the Communists win, then Banderlog, then crush a small pillow!
            The Communists do not need a second force at all! Do not believe? Remember the anarchists!
    2. evgenii67 12 March 2020 18: 49 New
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      He didn’t understand a damn, he always has a litter in his head — it sounds. But the bummer is great, neither the planes did not sell, nor did they receive palm oil in exchange.
      - This is a stone in my garden. Firstly, I don’t watch TV, so the litter may sound in your head, but it’s not accurate. Secondly, well, I don’t think that our bureaucrats will refuse to buy oil in the event of a failure in the deal with the Su-35, so people will probably be poisoned further. Thirdly, what did I write wrong ??? Maybe what the United States dictates to potential buyers, to whom and what to buy, is that not true? Or is it not true that our economy is heavily dependent on oil prices (we’ve been tearing off the oil needle for 20 years, but not tearing it down) and that the crisis does not threaten us ???
      1. Pereira 12 March 2020 20: 43 New
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        There is no need for palm oil for bureaucrats. And they do not poison the people. Poison the manufacturers. There will be no palm oil to exchange for airplanes, they’ll just buy it. We will get our portion anyway.
        1. Igor E. 13 March 2020 11: 56 New
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          I would feed the entire Garden Ring, and in particular the Kremlin, palm oil! Exclusively! I think that this is not far off! ....
      2. Malyuta 12 March 2020 21: 45 New
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        Quote: evgenii67
        evgenii67 (Eugene)

        Well, don’t be angry if something is wrong, sometimes you won’t catch something in the heat ... I just thought you were a mess. hi
        1. evgenii67 12 March 2020 22: 16 New
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          Well, don’t be angry if something is wrong, sometimes you won’t catch something in the heat ... I just thought you were a mess. hi
          Well, for sure !!! I am so glad to increase my retirement age, I am glad to increase VAT, I am glad that Russia has not abandoned oil dependence for 20 years, the list goes on and on, and I am glad that now we will have a KING !!!! in fact, I'm not happy, but my opinion is still no one takes into account there, however, like yours.
      3. Negruz 13 March 2020 14: 13 New
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        We climbed off an oil needle for about 50 years .... For some reason .... While others are trying to climb on it ....
    3. keeper03 12 March 2020 19: 24 New
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      We will drive oil out of oil, as before! stop
      1. Igor E. 13 March 2020 11: 57 New
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        It would be earlier for such a wall as a diversion! Straight - without a conversation! ...
    4. businessv 12 March 2020 20: 20 New
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      Quote: Malyuta
      What now will the authorities feed the inhabitants, because palm oil is our everything !!!

      And what, according to your information, is oil left for a couple of days and no more? Only barter with Indonesia can save situevina? Do not pinch information, at least share with forum users, maybe we can buy it!
    5. Krasnoyarsk 12 March 2020 20: 27 New
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      Quote: Malyuta

      He didn’t understand a damn, he always has a litter in his head — it sounds. But the bummer is great, neither the planes did not sell, nor did they receive palm oil in exchange.

      Or maybe because they didn’t sell it because they refused palm oil in the form of payment for planes?
    6. carstorm 11 13 March 2020 01: 26 New
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      yes simple. he will be bought for real money and put into the country. and it will earn someone else and not a country. its market is growing due to the chemical and perfume industry, which has consumed more than palm oil more than 40 percent this year. you do not explain that it is not only guzzled.
  • From Siberia we 12 March 2020 18: 28 New
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    No one will fight with you. Take it easy. You will simply be hammered into the Stone Age and will be our soldiers to solve the problems of the United States in the Middle East. This is the whole policy of "talented managers"
    1. Malyuta 12 March 2020 18: 40 New
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      Quote: From Siberia we
      No one will fight with you. Take it easy. You will simply be hammered into the Stone Age and will be our soldiers to solve the problems of the United States in the Middle East. This is the whole policy of "talented managers"

      Comrade What are you saying? Your theses cannot fit into the mind of the feral Uriah-Putriots, it’s evening. M. settled and made a nest. wassat
      1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 18: 43 New
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        Malyuta, with me? warnings about the inadmissibility of utterances, to me on idiots (act of defecation). I am ashamed of the country. And sick and not smart people are everywhere. One of the moderators said to me in a personal way (act of defecation on your arguments, I will not read them) laughing
    2. sabakina 12 March 2020 19: 08 New
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      Quote: From Siberia we
      No one will fight with you. Take it easy. You will simply be hammered into the Stone Age and will be our soldiers to solve the problems of the United States in the Middle East.
      Why are you contradicting yourself? They will beat us, and we will be silent? belay And secondly, in the Stone Age is not so bad ...
      A piece of mammoth skin around a mighty waist,
      Under the arm there is a stone ax, and in the hands of a spear.

      Just do not understand, where does the US problem? She will not exist. Perhaps, like parts of the Middle East ...
  • Kronos 12 March 2020 18: 29 New
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    Yes, the ruble at the level of banana republics to fall from the slightest fluctuations in oil and US gasoline is only getting cheaper
    1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 18: 36 New
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      When they say "the barrel has fallen, Europe is in a fever," they mean something different. Imagine you are ready to buy an apartment for 8 lyam, and suddenly prices fell to 5 lyamchik, and according to forecasts, they can fall to 3. You will also be in a fever. Buy now and save 3, wait and grab 5? But maybe jump, and then what ??? The whole world (who does not produce hydrocarbons) applauds standing, from the possibility of filling oil storage facilities with cheap oil.
      1. Alexey Sommer 12 March 2020 18: 51 New
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        Quote: From Siberia we
        Imagine you are ready to buy an apartment for 8 lyam, and suddenly prices fell to 5 lyamchik, and according to forecasts, they can fall to 3.

        Your logic is clear. It is straightforward, excuse me, in fact, everything is somewhat more complicated.
        In fact, this logic, if we attach to the apartment.
        You want to buy an apartment for 8 lyam on credit, while knowing that you will earn 8 over the next three years. Then you suddenly realize that in the next three years you will earn only 3 and you can’t buy an apartment more than 3 lyam.
        And the seller expected you to sell for 8, pay you a debt of 3, and still buy goods from you by 5. And now nobody needs the goods that you produce, and you have already paid 4 lyamas for the raw materials for them. How to give them away?
        Understood or difficult?
        1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 18: 55 New
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          Not difficult but not true
          1. Alexey Sommer 12 March 2020 18: 56 New
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            Justify. By the way, I made small but important changes. re-read please.
          2. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 19: 12 New
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            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            in the next three years you will earn only 3

            The annual economic growth is stable + 3% of GDP, which means I will earn a little more. (Germany)
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            the seller expected you to sell for 8
            (Arabs)
            But prices fell and sold only for 3. (Arabs)
            "give you a debt of 3 and still buy goods from you by 5" The amount of debt can either grow or be paid off from the fund. We will buy goods on credit. (as the owner overseas said) (and the long-term prospect of destroying the competitor (Russia Venezuela) ("when both of them slam the prices we raise," the Arabs think) However, Venezuela will pick up the United States and prices will rise above 130, otherwise the partners will not understand
            1. Alexey Sommer 12 March 2020 19: 41 New
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              Quote: From Siberia we
              The annual economic growth is stable + 3% of GDP, which means I will earn a little more. (Germany)

              Firstly not necessary.
              Quote: From Siberia we
              The amount of debt can either grow or be paid off from the fund. We will buy goods on credit.

              However, the funds are not endless and loans must be given sooner or later.
              It seems this moment has arrived.
              European indices today fell by 11% (Germany, specifically -12,24%) of the USA by 9%, and from 20.02.2020 on average ALL indices fell from 30% to 50%, which means that approximately 30% of world money disappeared from the funds . as I understand it, 30 trillion bucks out of 100.
              Therefore, there is nothing to take from the funds, but it’s time to give loans and it doesn’t matter that the apartment is now not 8, but 3. There is no money for it anyway.
              1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 19: 49 New
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                According to the Institute of Sovereign Wealth Funds (SWF), Saudi Arabia's SAMA Foreign Holdings is the third largest fund in the world, behind the UAE and Norway. Its assets amount to about 439 billion dollars. The main source of income is oil export earnings. About 65% of the fund’s investments are investments in fixed income financial instruments, about 25% are investments in stocks, and about 10% are investments in deposits.
                And this is not the UAE fund. So with the funds they have everything ok
                1. Alexey Sommer 12 March 2020 19: 52 New
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                  Quote: From Siberia we
                  with a fixed income, about 25% - for investments in shares, about 10% - for investments in deposits.

                  Are you serious?) You were deceived! This is not real, such percentages are paid only in pyramids such as MMM.
              2. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 19: 52 New
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                And about the fall of European funds: Stock indices in Western Europe are significantly reduced at the beginning of trading on Thursday amid growing concerns about the spread of coronavirus around the world. The leaders of the fall are shares of travel companies. US President Donald Trump on Wednesday decided to ban travel from Europe to the States from March 13 for the next 30 days. The restrictions will also apply to cargo transportation, the American president said in an appeal to citizens.
                And oil prices have nothing to do with it.
                1. Alexey Sommer 12 March 2020 19: 55 New
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                  Do you seriously think that CRONOVIRUS with the number of cases of 120 thousand and 5 thousand dead for the entire 7 billionth world is a reason, not an occasion?
                  In the world, more from tickling per day die.
                  1. From Siberia we 13 March 2020 08: 13 New
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                    Well, I'm a sane person wink China is now not bad tilt laughing
                  2. Alexey Sommer 13 March 2020 10: 01 New
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                    Quote: From Siberia we
                    China is now not bad tilt

                    In China, yesterday indices fell by 2% in the United States by 10%. Who is standing at the elbow?)
                2. dima314 13 March 2020 11: 14 New
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                  so this is just the beginning of the process! Not yet infected all 70% of the population, as predicted!
                3. Alexey Sommer 13 March 2020 11: 16 New
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                  A couple in China will not even get a million infected, and for 2 months now there has been an "outbreak" of an epidemic there.
                  So what?
            2. Alexey Sommer 12 March 2020 20: 03 New
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              Quote: From Siberia we
              The leaders of the fall are shares of travel companies.

              Deutsche Bank -17% today, if that.
              1. Alexey Sommer 12 March 2020 20: 31 New
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                Do not believe it, or what?))
                I agree with your minus ..
                already not -17%, already -18,44%
                It looks like it will be the European Lehman Brothers.
                For a long time everyone expects this dirty trick from them ..
                And little will not seem to anyone .. Even those who are from Siberia!))
                hi
  • Nikolai Grek 12 March 2020 21: 22 New
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    The whole world (who does not produce hydrocarbons) applauds while standing,

    what "fun" looking at their crumbling stock markets !!! wink wassat
    1. Nikolai Grek 13 March 2020 00: 31 New
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      Quote: Nikolai Grek
      "fun"

      "fun"!!! repeat wassat
  • Kurare 12 March 2020 18: 41 New
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    Quote: Kronos
    Yes, the ruble at the level of banana republics to fall from the slightest fluctuations in oil


    30% in one day - is this “the slightest fluctuation” for you? belay
    What is big fluctuation for you then?
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      The currencies of Denmark and Norway, which are largely dependent on oil, are stable.
    2. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 18: 46 New
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      Quote: Kurare
      Is this “the slightest hesitation” for you?

      This is for us a “breakthrough”, we are destroying the US economy. So ask the patriots they will explain how.
    3. kapitan92 12 March 2020 22: 21 New
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      Quote: Kurare
      Quote: Kronos
      Yes, the ruble at the level of banana republics to fall from the slightest fluctuations in oil


      30% in one day - is this “the slightest fluctuation” for you? belay
      What is big fluctuation for you then?

      No need to write nonsense, what 30%. Where did you get these numbers?
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      1. Kurare 13 March 2020 12: 46 New
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        No need to write nonsense, what 30%. Where did you get these numbers?

        It's very simple:
        06.03.2020 41,28 USD (closing of the auction)
        09.03.2020/27,34/33,8 XNUMX USD (daily minimum %)
        31,13 USD (closing of trading -24,6%)
        A drop in value even by almost 25% - is this not enough for you?
        1. kapitan92 13 March 2020 13: 37 New
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          Quote: Kurare
          A drop in value even by almost 25% - is this not enough for you?


          30% in one day - is this “the slightest fluctuation” for you?

          Your post!
          1. Kurare 13 March 2020 17: 23 New
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            Your post!

            Everything was lost for me, I confused the minimum with the closure of trading wassat HORRIBLE!

            And if without sarcasm, I hope you understand the meaning. Call a price drop of 24,6% slightest hesitation, as the language does not turn. In addition, there are a lot of speculative movements in the market, which further increase the pressure on the ruble.
  • Piramidon 12 March 2020 19: 09 New
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    and US gas is only getting cheaper

    Well forward to the country of unthinkable happiness. Grab your Kalina.
    1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 19: 26 New
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      Managed to be born in this country
      1. URAL72 12 March 2020 20: 00 New
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        "I managed to be born in this country"
        Then you can hang yourself and everything will pass. I guarantee. Hindus guarantee that you will be born again, I hope in Somalia or Bangladesh.
      2. Dart 12 March 2020 21: 44 New
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        Are you sure from the Urals ..? a scent of rotten from your writings ... I think that real Ural guys would have cleaned the snout long ago ...
      3. Incvizitor 13 March 2020 00: 22 New
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        Maybe it was better not to be born like that ...
      4. Plyushkin 13 March 2020 19: 04 New
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        Friends, he is from Siberia, as I am from Mars!
    2. keeper03 12 March 2020 19: 29 New
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      United States bombed Iraq to raise oil prices! bully
      Maybe we need to do something similar? !! request
      1. kapitan92 12 March 2020 22: 26 New
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        Quote: keeper03
        United States bombed Iraq to raise oil prices! bully
        Maybe we need to do something similar? !! request

        We are not! There are Hussites for this. laughing hi
  • Tank hard 13 March 2020 00: 27 New
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    Quote: Kronos
    and US gas is only getting cheaper

    This you see directly from the Washington gas station broadcasting?
    Then what do you care about:
    Quote: Kronos
    Yes, the ruble at the level of banana republics to fall from the slightest fluctuations in oil

    You have a salary in dollars there ... repeat
    laughing
  • KCA
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    How did everyone get it with palm oil, comrade, what year are you born? I, here, in 1973, have been eating cookies and cakes made with margarine all my childhood, here I don’t have a single recipe for homemade cakes without margarine, my mother and my friends all know gingerbread - to melt half a packet of margarine, but palm oil is much more an easily digestible product than hydrogenated fat of vegetable oil of other origin - sunflower, rapeseed, linseed, and even hemp, which, baking, he himself preferred to fry meat not on creamy meat, but on margarine, well, I don’t like creamy, now it’s just for salting there’s nothing, margarine, it’s officially recognized as harmful, and palm is terrible, more terrible than coronovirus and other shnyah, ebola, aphids have forgotten, more people died from ebola by a couple of orders of magnitude, although what kind of people, niggas, who will count them .. .
  • Sky strike fighter 12 March 2020 18: 35 New
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    Bloomberg: Indonesia refused to purchase Russian Su-35 fighters
    as ? and oil? here is a bummer ...

    The Americans of Indonesia twisted their arms. And happiness was so close.
    MiG-35 and Su-35 use the same class of ammunition and are compatible with the new hypersonic air-to-air missile R-37M. Thanks to what they are capable of shooting down aircraft at ranges up to 400 kilometers. This missile allows Russian fighters, according to experts, to surpass all potential opponents, since the latest Chinese and American air-to-air missiles are much slower and have a shorter range. "Drying" is capable of carrying up to 12 missiles on external suspensions, and the MiG - eight.
    Both fighters use dual-circuit engines with a three-dimensional thrust vector, which makes them super maneuverable and removes restrictions on the angle of attack. At the same time, the Su-35 has a greater working height and range.

    An Irbis radar is installed on the Su-35, which can detect enemy fighters more than 400 kilometers away, and invisible aircraft over 80 kilometers away. It is capable of simultaneously tracking up to 30 air targets.

    https://rg.ru/2020/02/25/raznye-roli-su-35-sravnili-s-mig-35.html
    1. kapitan92 12 March 2020 22: 28 New
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      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
      The Americans of Indonesia twisted their arms. And happiness was so close.

      hi
      There is an old saying: "If the bride goes to another, it is unknown who was lucky." smile
  • demo 12 March 2020 19: 56 New
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    Vyacheslav Viktorovich Volodin was upset.
    His mother will have a hard time without Indonesian palm oil.
  • Sniper 12 March 2020 20: 57 New
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    there is a good antidote .. from Indonesia's wrong decisions. sell all other articles of our export to this country for currency. and let the "palm" be exchanged for "Amer" import.
  • Thrifty 12 March 2020 18: 19 New
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    Let's see if Jakarta has enough political will to send the United States away with their rotten blackmail. ...
    1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 18: 32 New
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      Does Indonesia have its own policy?
      1. Sergej1972 12 March 2020 21: 12 New
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        A country with a 270 million population should have.
        1. From Siberia we 13 March 2020 08: 20 New
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          How many people were in China when he was a colony of Britain? And the population of India?
          1. Sergej1972 13 March 2020 08: 50 New
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            Ok, China, along with Turkey, Iran and Thailand, has never been a colony. Indonesia is a fairly strong state.
      2. Plyushkin 13 March 2020 19: 24 New
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        Do you have a fundamental opinion or everything remains primitive?
        Indonesia is a state whose opinion is little dependent on others ...
        It is an independent state ...
  • Mountain shooter 12 March 2020 18: 19 New
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    Unchecked infa ... but if it’s true, you can’t expect anything else from striatal ears. It is impossible to withstand fair competition, and they’re “turning on the resource” ...
    1. Kronos 12 March 2020 18: 31 New
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      Fair competition is one of the myths of capitalism.
      1. Plyushkin 13 March 2020 19: 29 New
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        “There is no crime that a person would not commit for the sake of a lot of money”
    2. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 18: 31 New
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      Here someone (mountain shooter) no longer likes the "not fair" competition. laughing They will all die soon, and we will go to heaven !!! Their economy will collapse, all homosexuals and kirdyk will be overwhelmed. Three hundred years left and that's it!
    3. Mitroha 12 March 2020 18: 42 New
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      Free market, they said ....
      Already just want to bang and let them
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      but if true, nothing else can be expected from the strip-eared. It is impossible to withstand fair competition, and they’re “turning on the resource” ...

      I have a question, but where is our resource, the one about which I have been told for the 21st year already?
      It seems that they rose from their knees and became great, but there is no resource?
      Or maybe we are still lying? After all, the vital interests of shift workers are outside the Russian Federation ...
      1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 18: 51 New
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        Malyuta !!! Do not say heresy !!! How dare you doubt the genius of our ruling party? laughing
        1. dali 13 March 2020 12: 11 New
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          Quote: From Siberia we

          Malyuta !!! Do not say heresy !!! How dare you doubt the genius of our ruling party?

          You could believe in your sincere feelings if you had not read all your previous posts ...
          You are more like a resentful Gaster (of which in Siberia too) from unfathomable ...
        2. Plyushkin 13 March 2020 18: 21 New
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          You are the same from Siberia as I am from Mars!
      2. Kronos 12 March 2020 19: 08 New
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        Resources are just power on the course and ordinary people do not care
    5. knn54 12 March 2020 19: 17 New
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      Palm dairy producers may not take palm oil in Indonesia.
      Because there is a chance to buy it (which Indonesia will pay for the F-16) from the Yankees cheaper.
      -show "solidarity";
      - Another deflection in front of holders of savings:
      - they will buy the product cheaper than from the manufacturer.
    6. Nikolai Grek 12 March 2020 21: 31 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      nothing else can be expected from the strip-eared.

      nuuuuu ... Indonesia also showed itself in this situation, to put it mildly, not quite beautifully !! wassat
    7. Ross xnumx 13 March 2020 03: 55 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Fair competition can’t be sustained, so they’re “turning on the resource” ...

      Yes you are a GENIUS !!! fellow Not from the Judo Club, by any chance? belay
      Tell us, please, about places on the planet where, with the absence of socialism, fair competition has arisen? The ChWP and the Law of the Coop are the main distinguishing features of the capitalist system. Although, I am 100% sure, because of palm oil, the capitalist will not climb the scaffold ...
  • impostor 12 March 2020 18: 27 New
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    Well, not bad. Fewer of our grandchildren will be born with damage to the central nervous system and brain. And for jeans with Jakarta we will pay with birch oil - tar.
  • Mavrikiy 12 March 2020 18: 28 New
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    According to the agency, this decision was made under pressure from the United States, which threatened Jakarta with sanctions.
    Have Indonesia’s sanctions on US oil supplies not worked out?
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    1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 18: 38 New
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      And here are the figurines! on this our "comrades from the environment" make an excellent gesheft !!
  • Terenin 12 March 2020 18: 38 New
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    Judging by
    However, you need to wait for the official statement of the Russian side.
    It’s not clear what this is about. request . And the “spears” are already breaking both about oil and about managers and about oil
  • impostor 12 March 2020 18: 43 New
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    Quote: Terenin
    Judging by
    However, you need to wait for the official statement of the Russian side.
    It’s not clear what this is about. request . And the “spears” are already breaking both about oil and about managers and about oil

    Managers now have no time for penny contracts. All their pain - how to adequately celebrate Dnyuha Ilyich
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    1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 18: 49 New
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      Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit
      Let's ban Mozambique, Congo, Uganda, Sudan ... in a word, all our friends are banned from buying airplanes

      Well, they can only buy them chipped and with your money. Beggars are your friends. And then they peed on your inhibitions. These are your "friends"
    2. Werwulf_1989 12 March 2020 18: 55 New
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      There are such “friends” that there is nothing left for kisses to forgive debts.)
    3. Sky strike fighter 12 March 2020 18: 59 New
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      Prohibit the purchase of F-35 fighters from the Americans!
      Let's ban Mozambique, Congo, Uganda, Sudan ... in a word, all our friends are banned from buying airplanes !!!

      I did not know that Germany has so many friends.
      1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 19: 19 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        I didn’t know that Germany has so many friends

        Germany does not have as many African Africans as friends laughing
    4. Grigory_45 12 March 2020 19: 31 New
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      Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit
      Prohibit the purchase of F-35 fighters from the Americans!
      Let's ban Mozambique, Congo, Uganda, Sudan ... in a word, all our friends are banned from buying airplanes !!!

      to these "friends" of the USA and at an exorbitant price these planes will not sell.
      If it was sarcasm - then appreciated)
    5. Incvizitor 13 March 2020 00: 25 New
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      Fu only occupied FSA countries take and they can not get out.
  • DominickS 12 March 2020 18: 58 New
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    But what about the "free market", about which mattresses so eagerly repeat from all stands?
    1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 19: 18 New
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      Quote: DominickS
      But what about the "free market"

      Have you already become a "white man"? The market is for equals. You are a colonial republic with remote control. The fools of which all cannot remove the blinkers of their significance.
      1. musketon64 12 March 2020 19: 40 New
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        But is Israel equal or colonial? I remember the Yankees, they at the same time forbade “Lavi” to produce, I do not say anything to sell without permission from the hegemon.
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            Clearly - a colony. But Americans cannot forbid Russia to produce or sell anything. But to forbid your vassals and puppets to buy from Russia or sell goods of interest to her is easy. These are the things, Shurik.
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      2. RideMaster 13 March 2020 01: 29 New
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        You are not from Siberia dude. What is there, they said, rocking more intensively to throw Putin off?
  • Prjanik 12 March 2020 19: 18 New
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    3,14ndossky competition
    1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 19: 24 New
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      Quote: Prjanik
      3,14ndossky competition

      No, this is a white man’s market! You give us gold, we give you beads. You accumulate gold, but your brains did not reach the beads. You can certainly teach, but why? You savages and so good.
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        1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 19: 30 New
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          Beads, namely beads. How many planes will she buy? And who will fight for? But let me remind you of the American Indian wars. Gold beads can be traded with the Indians only (for example, England) and others cannot !!! And England was happy to sell rusty muskets
          1. Prjanik 12 March 2020 19: 35 New
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            It turns out that Indonesia Indians, that is, under the external control of the Americans, but did not show to the mind)
            1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 19: 38 New
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              In what year did they declare independence? And then, did not all of Europe begin to get rid of the direct control of the colonies?
              1. Prjanik 12 March 2020 19: 54 New
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                By and large, not many countries can boast of independence and pursue policies in their national interests. All of them are considered the terrible enemies of democracy: Russia, China, Iran, North Korea. Well, and even smaller countries, unable to give a military rebuff, but supported like Venezuela, Syria, Cuba, Nicaragua and so on. There are those who are partners for everyone, such as India, Egypt, Algeria, Vietnam, Turkey and so on. So Indonesia, it seemed to me, from this category ..
      2. Prjanik 12 March 2020 19: 27 New
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        And the Su-35 is gold or beads?)
  • Pacifist with AK 12 March 2020 19: 33 New
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    Quote: From Siberia we
    Here someone (mountain shooter) no longer likes the "not fair" competition. laughing They will all die soon, and we will go to heaven !!! Their economy will collapse, all homosexuals and kirdyk will be overwhelmed. Three hundred years left and that's it!

    Interesting, dear, are you from Siberia or from Siberia? Enlighten the dark non-Russian ...
    1. Pacifist with AK 12 March 2020 19: 35 New
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      In principle, you can not take a steam bath. The answer is found. I quote; "You are a colonial republic with remote control." Puncture, cyberyak))))))))
      1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 19: 54 New
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        Everyone understands how he wants
        1. Pacifist with AK 12 March 2020 19: 58 New
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          What is there to understand? "Newton’s bin too"))))))) Adios, amigo! Have a good mood and a delicious burger with Coca-Cola!))))
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            In connection with dissatisfaction intensify the buildup.
    2. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 19: 39 New
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      Quote: Pacifist with AK
      Enlighten the dark non-Russian ...

      not smart learn, only spoil.
      1. Pacifist with AK 12 March 2020 19: 41 New
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        So where do we knock on a kiboard, cyber?
        1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 19: 42 New
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          From Rasseyushka Alyosha, from Rasseyushka.
          1. Pacifist with AK 12 March 2020 19: 53 New
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            Oh, Sasha ... I’m not Russian myself, but I don’t feel the Russian spirit in you either))) Maybe from Rashenka, on the glorious river Hudson (Hudson)?
            1. Kleber 12 March 2020 22: 24 New
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              His sidekick Malyuta from Nikolaev Bandera. This one is also thinking from there.
  • Incomprehensible 12 March 2020 19: 33 New
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    Quote: evgenii67
    And there’s no escape from this campaign.

    As soon as our patrols and convoys begin to ram the Americans blocking the passage, and the accompanying helicopters open fire for warning, then we will begin to leave Mersky under the heel, and nothing else. It all starts small.
  • Mordvin 3 12 March 2020 19: 39 New
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    According to the agency, this decision was made under pressure from the United States, which threatened Jakarta with sanctions.

    Heh, just recently wrote that they did not agree on currency issues, or did I become completely sclerosic?
  • Gennady Fomkin 12 March 2020 19: 43 New
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    The invisible hand of the market in all its glory laughing
  • From Siberia we 12 March 2020 19: 53 New
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    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    loans must be given sooner or later

    Well, the United States is not in a hurry. As well as Europe.
  • Azazelo 12 March 2020 20: 00 New
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    Wimps .....
  • ZAV69 12 March 2020 20: 24 New
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    you have to look good so that there is no palm oil in the product

    What to look for them? We go into the nearest magnet and see: potatoes, onions, carrots, salt, sugar, flour, buckwheat, rice, chicken from the nearest poultry farm. Where is the palm tree? What, from this you can not cook dinner?
    1. Mordvin 3 12 March 2020 20: 30 New
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      We go into the nearest magnet and see: potatoes, onions, carrots, salt, sugar, flour, buckwheat, rice, chicken from the nearest poultry farm. Where is the palm tree?

      And what about chicken? Why, when I fry it, almost half of the water or jelly flows out? Palm? Yes, look in oil. How much does ice cream cost, you know?
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        And what about chicken? Why, when I fry it, almost half of the water or jelly flows out?

        We sell products of the Volovsky Poultry Factory. And neither of which follows, you want the heat, you want to bake, you want to do not do pilaf.
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          And neither of which follows, you want the heat, you want to bake, you want to do not do pilaf.

          Sure? Something I have not seen for a long time.
          1. ZAV69 13 March 2020 16: 43 New
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            Sure of course. We have two main suppliers in the city: Tula Broiler and My Family (Volovsky Poultry Factory). The broiler has been missing something recently, but the Volovskiy chickens in Magnet, Lika (local network) and Pyaterochka are constantly there. Fish .... I do not take more water than fish. A chicken regularly. In general, as I understand it, everything is different in different regions. Well with us so.
            ps. I live in the district center, there is a market, local farmers cut and sell the animal. If there is a desire, then you can buy a carcass of a pig, when you fill up, scorch and butcher.
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        And what about chicken? Why, when I fry it, almost half of the water or jelly flows out?

        You just do not know how to cook them (s). In the original, the truth is about cats, but still (again, "c") smile
        1. Mordvin 3 13 March 2020 16: 39 New
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          You just don’t know how to cook them

          There is no bad meat, there are bad cooks ...
          But when I fry the chicken, I quietly goof ... What kind of garbage jelly-like from them follows?
          1. Golovan Jack 13 March 2020 16: 42 New
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            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            when I fry chicken, then quietly goof ...

            I don’t know where you get them from. That in the attack, that in the Five with me - I have never come across such a thing.

            Or maybe it's just bad luck? recourse
            1. Mordvin 3 13 March 2020 16: 46 New
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              I have - I have never come across this.

              Ugh, damn it burned! As I will fry, I take a picture of spices and then lay out. repeat
              1. Golovan Jack 13 March 2020 16: 50 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                As I will fry, I take a picture of spices and then lay out

                Vladimir, I believe you. But this does not cancel my hypothesis - with chickens you are just fatally unlucky laughing
                1. Mordvin 3 13 March 2020 16: 54 New
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                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  with chickens you are just fatally unlucky

                  Yeah, not only not lucky for me, but also to the thousands of others that buy similar chickens in five. request
  • polar fox 12 March 2020 20: 29 New
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    Quote: ZAV69
    Palm tree is only in milk

    in a pastry shop throughout.
    1. RideMaster 13 March 2020 01: 32 New
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      And even more so in the western confectionery, learn the materiel.
  • senima56 12 March 2020 21: 15 New
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    "... technical problems that have arisen in Indonesia itself, which are in no way connected with American sanctions, interfere ..." Whatever the case, they put a lot of money in our pocket! negative
  • kutuz 12 March 2020 21: 27 New
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    "accepted under pressure from the United States" - well, who would doubt it. The United States is to blame for everything that’s not good about what happens to Russia.
  • kiril1246 12 March 2020 21: 29 New
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    And why are planes so expensive at 100 million. It is more expensive than the American F-16.
    1. Sarduor 12 March 2020 21: 35 New
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      This price includes training pilots, trinazers, rockets, training technicians
  • Sarduor 12 March 2020 21: 34 New
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    I read the comments and think, people, do you hate your country or power?
    1. Sergey Averchenkov 12 March 2020 21: 46 New
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      Many country.
      1. RideMaster 13 March 2020 01: 33 New
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        But some of them are Ipsoshniki Siberians.
  • Victor March 47 12 March 2020 21: 45 New
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    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: Piramidon
    Do not hapay without looking at everything that is cheaper and you will be happy without oil.

    And practically does not depend on the price. If you don’t take absolutely pathos brands, whose price per kilo of cheese is comparable to the price of an engine from ICBMs, visit stores where, let’s say, for dairy products without a palm tree, there are special shelves with a tag BZMZH (without milk fat substitute). Make a discovery for yourself that the price and written on the label affect the composition of the product very weakly.
    By the way. The Council did not get cheaper cheaper in a country where there were officially only 20 million beggars, it was, and now it will be under 40 .... It sounds extremely disgusting.
    PS
    Although not right. Not extremely vile, but extremely vile.

    Take care of the matter. Not to goner concerts, but to his farm. And do the present. They believe that they will not take a bastard, like those who will take for good loot. That will be happiness. Or weaned? Then eat the oil industry.
  • Sergey Averchenkov 12 March 2020 21: 45 New
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    The United States needs to take away the dollar and then we will see the real capabilities of the US military-industrial complex. And so ... a sharpie at the table among suckers.
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    Sanctions were not introduced yesterday, and this is not the first bummer, it’s just that this particular case has become known. What did everyone expect? We are neither the USSR, there is no attractive ideology for export and a block of states sufficient to form a market for our products. A young country of wild capitalism with mediocre leadership who does not see beyond his nose. Over the years of independence, we have not built an attractive country for others, albeit capitalistic, but attractive, where the rule of law, comfortable conditions for business and life, etc. would be implemented. Who needs our tyranny oligarchs and the authorities that have grown them in their image and likeness? - to nobody. They tried to push by force, they showed us that we were really weak, there was an era of good oil prices that we did not plunder and “mastered”, put in a small capsule, considered ourselves wealthy, and then the bummer on showed that we were not just beggars in the background of the United States and leading EU countries, but we are paupers amid many states much smaller than us.
    Crap one’s with gas, crap one’s with oil, crap one’s in foreign policy - the result is logical ...

    Hooray to patriots with bedsores from the couch, you can only advise the option of a preventive strike against the USA - there is no USA, there are no sanctions laughing
  • Pacifist with AK 12 March 2020 22: 03 New
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    Quote: From Siberia we
    Managed to be born in this country

    "... Shtirlitsa uncontrollably vomited to his homeland" ... He imagines what this country is thinking: "It has managed to give birth to me ...."
    1. Golovan Jack 12 March 2020 22: 06 New
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      Quote: Pacifist with AK
      I managed to give birth to this ...

      Inspired: the country needs heroes ... and then indecent laughing
      1. Pacifist with AK 12 March 2020 22: 09 New
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        I agree one hundred percent! Cyberyak post, cents are dripping)))))
  • Rudkovsky 12 March 2020 22: 12 New
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    Ooh, well, all the guys, soon the cheese-like product and MOPOKO liquid will only be on coupons, without an palm then an Indonesian one.
  • gohomeyanki 13 March 2020 02: 07 New
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    the minimike doesn’t appease, and the majority here is led, the minimike is your future)
  • bald 13 March 2020 06: 59 New
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    Here I look komenty - you damn what?! - The topic is purely political, but a little bit - it was scratched cleanly.
  • Yaro Polk 13 March 2020 08: 04 New
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    They bought them for cash, they didn’t see ours bartering with them for barter, they gave us PALM oil, we gave them airplanes ... not a big loss, let them eat their own oil.
    1. Igor E. 13 March 2020 11: 58 New
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      We are eating palm oil! ...
  • Private61 13 March 2020 09: 24 New
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    The Lord is with them, that's just what they pay am for their planes, probably for the F-16
  • Igor E. 13 March 2020 11: 49 New
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    Already for a palm tree do not vparit! And what can not be transferred to the Russian Air Force? And indeed, for Putin’s rule, fighters, attack aircraft, interceptors fell from 2500 to ... 1005! What are these achievements? Ahh? What kind of "patriotism" is so unhealthy flourishing? The first thing to think about is defense!