Israel’s Naval Saar 6 head corvette launches sea trials

Israel’s Naval Saar 6 head corvette launches sea trials

The head corvette of the Saar 6 project, built in Germany for the Israeli Navy, went to factory sea trials. According to Israeli media, the corvette, called Magen, after the end of sea trials will go to Israel, where it will be installed weapon and electronic equipment.


An intergovernmental agreement on the construction in Germany of four Saar 6 corvettes for the Israeli Navy was signed in 2015. According to the agreement, only the ships themselves are being built at German shipyards, and Israel will independently install armaments and electronic equipment. The Magen head corvette is planned to be handed over to the customer in the spring of this year, the next three ships will be surrendered at intervals of about six months, with the delivery of the fourth at the end of 2021. Israeli Navy plans that after installing weapons and equipment corvettes will be part of fleet in 2021-2022 years.

The lead ship of the series was launched on May 14, 2019 in Kiel from the boathouse of the German Naval Yards Kiel shipyard and Kieler Werft TKMS was moored for completion, where the baptism procedure took place, during which it was named Magen.

Corsets of the Saar 6 project were developed on the basis of the German project MEKO A100 (and variations for the German Navy of the K130 project). The total displacement of the Saar 6 Corvette Project is in 1900 tons, the ship’s length is 92 m, the width is 13,5 m and the draft is more than 4 m. The crew is about 70 people.

The corvettes of this project are distinguished by quite powerful anti-aircraft and anti-missile weapons for a ship of this size, which includes the 32-charging installation for vertical launch of the medium-range and long-range Barak 8 SAM and two 40-charging launchers of the tactical missile defense system C-Dome (marine version of the Iron Dome).

In addition, the ships will be armed with 16 PU PKR, 324-mm torpedo tubes for anti-submarine torpedoes Raytheon Mk 54 and helicopter Sikorsky SH-60 Seahawk. Artillery armament will be limited to two 25-mm Rafael Typhoon remote-controlled artillery mounts (with the possibility of using also Rafael Spike-ER missiles from these mounts).

The basis of the electronic armament of the ship will be a multifunctional radar complex IAI Elta EL / M-2248 MF-STAR with fixed placement of radar antennas with AFAR.
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  1. vkl.47 12 March 2020 16: 30 New
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    Of course, he is loaded with weapons to the eyeballs. There is nothing to be said. A formidable ship.
    1. lucul 12 March 2020 16: 44 New
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      Of course, he is loaded with weapons to the eyeballs. There is nothing to be said. A formidable ship.

      It’s strange why Russian corsets don’t charge like that ???
      Corset zealous 2x4 pcr two times less why?

      A helicopter, not a word has been said about the hangar for a helicopter - and this takes up a lot of space on such ships.
      1. xrkzoulj 12 March 2020 16: 59 New
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        Quote: lucul
        A helicopter, not a word has been said about the hangar for a helicopter - and this takes up a lot of space on such ships.


        - The hangar gate in the photo.
        1. lucul 12 March 2020 17: 15 New
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          The hangar gate in the photo.

          Already googled.
          Like placing rockets on the roof.
    2. Aaron Zawi 12 March 2020 17: 29 New
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      Nice boat.
      1. Sky strike fighter 12 March 2020 17: 34 New
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        Original. Why did they order from the Germans, and not from the Americans or the British?
        1. Bagatur 12 March 2020 22: 57 New
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          Germany takes on a large share of the payment for the ship.
          1. Oleg Olkha 16 March 2020 02: 45 New
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            115 million euros of German subsidies from its shipyard out of 430 million contract, less than 25%. In the states, you can build for 100% of the 3.8 billion dollars of annual assistance, however, they are building in Germany, there are reasons ...
      2. Aaron Zawi 12 March 2020 17: 35 New
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        Nice boat.

        Profitable. We have been cooperating with them for a long time.
      3. lucul 12 March 2020 17: 42 New
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        Nice boat.

        It’s quite good, not worse than ours, it’s not clear what’s with seaworthiness ...
        1. Aaron Zawi 12 March 2020 17: 44 New
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          Quote: lucul
          Nice boat.

          It’s quite good, not worse than ours, it’s not clear what’s with seaworthiness ...

          For our Mediterranean, it’s enough, but he can’t go to the oceans.
        2. xrkzoulj 12 March 2020 18: 21 New
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          Quote: lucul
          what's with seaworthiness

          Corvettes are built on the basis of strongly modified K130 Braunschweig class corvettes.
          Their data:

          Length: 89.12 m (292 ft 5 in)
          Beam: 13.28 m (43 ft 7 in)
          Draft: 3.4 m (11 ft 2 in)
          Propulsion: 2 MTU 20V 1163 TB 93 diesel engines producing 14.8MW, driving two controllable-pitch propellers.
          Speed: 26 knots (48 km / h; 30 mph)
          Range: 4,000 nmi (7,400 km) at 15 kn (28 km / h; 17 mph) [1]
          Endurance: 7 days; 21 days with tender [2]
          1. Oleg Olkha 12 March 2020 19: 23 New
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            No, and the Germans themselves denied this, based on "MEKO-100" (K130, one of its variants ...) The design above the waterline was proposed by the Israelis and somewhat corrected in the future. It was also not possible to save the original underwater part of K130 and it was changed after comp. modeling and testing of scale models in the pool. (Israelis were not satisfied with stability and seaworthiness) Designing a virtually new ship took two years with the participation of 160 Israeli specialists at different stages. Families of specialists and naval officers live in Kiel for a long time, children in German kindergartens and schools.
            1. xrkzoulj 12 March 2020 22: 46 New
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              Quote: Oleg Olkha
              No, and the Germans themselves denied this

              Is there a source in the original language?
              1. Oleg Olkha 16 March 2020 02: 50 New
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                Germans in topic: "Als Anmerkung - die Sa'ar 6 sind keine Derivate der K130. Die K130 sind eine Variante des MEKO 100-Basisdesigns, das später zur MEKO A-100 weiterentwickelt wurde. Die Sa'ar 6 wiederum sind eine Variante des MEKO A-100-Basisdesigns.
        3. mvg
          mvg 12 March 2020 18: 46 New
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          no worse than ours

          No worse than ours? Frigate 22350? Or the corvette 22380/22385?
          It is at least no weaker than 4500/5400 tons of Gorshkov, for 11356/22380 I do not say. I am ashamed.
          It’s not in vain that the Indians chose Barack 8 for destroyers and aircraft carriers. And I beg, for Caliber .. ships for different tasks. And in terms of air defense / PLO, a very interesting corvette. The Germans have always been interesting shipbuilders and minders. And then there's a discount of 30-60 percent.
          But Israel itself is trading in armaments, and very successfully.
          PS: It’s enviously simple
          1. lucul 12 March 2020 18: 59 New
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            No worse than ours?

            Corvette 22380. He has ample opportunities for modernization (laid down in the project) under Zircon and Polyment Redoubt.
            And in terms of air defense / PLO, a very interesting corvette. The Germans have always been interesting shipbuilders and minders.

            Short nose - you can forget about seaworthiness (storm). With the same length of the ship - because of the short bow, more usable space. In fact, this SAAR 6 will not have any modernization - there are no new projects - this is its ceiling.
            1. mvg
              mvg 12 March 2020 19: 29 New
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              He has ample room for modernization

              What is the upgrade? We could not build a new ship for 29 years!
              What modernization projects do you know? 1144 Nakhimov? Take the hull at Vtorchermet and for the big money to build (not yet able) a new ship? And this is a 25000 cruiser. There were no modernizations at all at 965,1134,1155,1143,1144,1164. For 30 +++ years of service .. These are the main projects. We got up for repairs, for 5-10 years and barely left it.
              1. alexmach 12 March 2020 20: 00 New
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                Well, let's say at 1155 there were some .. well, that is, there is.
              2. lucul 12 March 2020 21: 04 New
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                What modernization projects do you know? 1144 Nakhimov? Take the hull at Vtorchermet and for the big money to build (not yet able) a new ship?

                Kuznetsov, why aren't you upgrading?
                It was

                It became
            2. 3danimal 16 March 2020 04: 38 New
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              Polenta could not be put on 22380, and without it the redoubt is very limited in capabilities.
          2. Mishiko 13 March 2020 00: 16 New
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            Quote: mvg
            It is at least no weaker than 4500/5400 tons of Gorshkov, for 11356/22380 I do not say. Shame on you
            It’s not in vain that the Indians chose Barack 8 for destroyers and aircraft carriers.

            mvg (Maxim). Not tired of writing nonsense from time to time in VO? Show your gut. The Barak-8 anti-aircraft missile has a speed of V = 685 m / s, which is what it says about its shortcomings, the inability to intercept supersonic anti-ship missiles with a high probability, especially after it ... As for hypersonic, they would generally be silent. The height of the defeat N = 16 km is very small for the anti-aircraft complex. It should be a shame to you, for your repeated lies and lies on VO. Russophobe?
            1. borberd 13 March 2020 02: 13 New
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              The Hindus tested Barak-8 on the Bramos - they completely intercepted themselves.
              1. Mishiko 13 March 2020 09: 25 New
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                Quote: borberd
                Hindus tested Barak-8 on the Bramos - completely intercepted .

                Own tales - write to yourself! On the Internet, except for one Russophobian site, there is no information ...
                1. borberd 14 March 2020 17: 42 New
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                  Hindus before buying, the seller shakes his soul, trying to catch on the mismatch of the declared characteristics. Fact - Indians after the tests bought the system. That is, it corresponds to the declared characteristics. The cries of spiteful critics do not play a role in this regard and are not worth attention.
                2. borberd 14 March 2020 17: 55 New
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                  https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4825405,00.html
            2. 3danimal 16 March 2020 04: 40 New
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              Speed ​​is not so important in the oncoming interception. In trials with the Indians, Barak knocked down the Brahmos.
              Hypersonic? Where are they?
            3. 3danimal 16 March 2020 04: 41 New
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              I remember the movie "Jay and Silent Bob": "racist, racist!" laughing
            4. lucul 16 March 2020 09: 43 New
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              It should be a shame to you, for your repeated lies and lies on VO. Russophobe?

              He is a Jew, which is almost equal to Russophobia.
    3. smile 12 March 2020 23: 10 New
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      vkl.47

      "Of course he is charged with armament to the eyeballs"

      This is so - the fact is that Israel does not need a long autonomy of the ship - because, a priori, it can be more armed than American classmates, ours, French or, for example, Chinese.
      The issue of optimization of the dispute is the displacement of the ship - the volume occupied by armaments - the volume occupied by the life support system - the volume occupied by fuel and other supplies.
      Jews most likely ordered a ship for their needs. Honor and praise. Nothing wrong with that.
  2. At Derebasovskaya 12 March 2020 16: 32 New
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    It’s strange why Russian corsets don’t charge like that ???
    Corset zealous 2x4 pcr two times less why?
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    2. At Derebasovskaya 12 March 2020 17: 11 New
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      What kind of idiocy asked why on Russian corvettes there is less PCR than on Israel com and are forbidden to leave comments on this site also zamusuvat what kind of nonsense?
      1. Mishiko 13 March 2020 01: 52 New
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        But Barak during tests was shot down by the Hindu BrahMos Onyx, after which he won the tender for air defense of promising destroyers of India. Range 120 km.

        mvg (Maxim). Kindly link. It looks like another fake, judging by the information on the Internet. And with what probability the Barak-8 anti-aircraft missile can hit the anti-ship Bramos? Another fake livejournal?
    3. We_smart 12 March 2020 17: 28 New
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      Obviously, the dimensions of the missiles are different.
      1. At Derebasovskaya 12 March 2020 17: 31 New
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        It turns out Israeli missiles lose in range?)
        1. lucul 12 March 2020 17: 46 New
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          It turns out Israeli missiles lose in range?)

          We have the "sabotage" version of the S-300, S-400. So estimate their range, and the dimensions, respectively, and all this must be planned in advance.
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            mvg 12 March 2020 18: 58 New
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            So estimate their range

            So “figure it out”, the S-300 on cruisers pr.1164, which is 6 times thicker than Saar'a, beats as much as 75 km. Such a goal as the Tomahawk will not even take. S-300, which on the cruisers of pr. 1144 "The Legendary Peter the Great", 12 times thicker than the corvette, beats 90 km, there will also be problems with the Axes. But the S-400 is not marine. There is Polement-Redoubt, on the ground Vityaz, S-350. 9 years brought to mind, 2+ years took. What happened, no one knows.
            But Barak during tests was shot down by the Hindu BrahMos Onyx, after which he won the tender for air defense of promising destroyers of India. Range 120 km. The European SAMP-T Aster15 / 30 is really capable of this, there are videos on the network. But this is the air defense of large frigates and destroyers
            1. lucul 12 March 2020 19: 03 New
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              But Barak was tested by the Hindu BrahMos Onyx,

              Pfff .... did we see the conditions of those tests? Was the Bramos rocket maneuvering? Or like amers flew with a "beacon", who knows?
              But about the S-300, I see, you know everything)))
              1. mvg
                mvg 12 March 2020 19: 13 New
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                But about the S-300, I see, you know everything

                What is there to know? Fort is 37 years old in Moscow, made on the basis of the S-300PS. His data on the internet. Useless contraption.
                Fortu-M, on Petra, 35 years old, corrected a couple of errors, the launch range increased from 75 to 90 km. The number of channels remains the same (3). what is the question? Upgrades are not subject, there are light bulbs. New missiles to him (complex) do not slip. Also useless in modern combat, despite the solid ammunition.
                PS: Knowing the gypsies how they are traded, I think there were problems with the beacon on Bramos, just the opposite. This is not a Russian acceptance. “In the morning we will shoot in the Kyrgyz Republic, then we will fill up the hog, and in the evening in the bathhouse”
                1. lucul 12 March 2020 21: 11 New
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                  Fortu-M, on Petra, 35 years old, corrected a couple of errors, the launch range increased from 75 to 90 km. The number of channels remains the same (3). what is the question? Upgrades are not subject, there are light bulbs. New missiles to him (complex) do not slip. Also useless in modern combat, despite the solid ammunition.

                  S-300FM "Fort-M" with 48 missiles 48N6E2 with a range of 200 km.
                  Not ? )))
                  What you describe was 30 years ago.
                2. 3danimal 16 March 2020 04: 45 New
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                  As far as one can judge from the characteristics, Fort-M (one for 1144) can use missiles at a range of up to 200 km (for airplanes).
            2. Mishiko 13 March 2020 00: 30 New
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              Quote: mvg
              There is Polement-Redoubt, on the ground Vityaz, S-350. 9 years brought to mind, 2+ years took. What happened, no one knows.

              mvg (Maxim). As always - the stupidity of a couch strategist. If you don’t know, then no one knows? The range of the new anti-aircraft missile "Poliment-Redoubt" 400 km - on the tests.
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                mvg 14 March 2020 17: 07 New
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                The range of the new anti-aircraft missile Poliment-Redoubt 400 km - in trials

              2. 3danimal 16 March 2020 04: 46 New
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                It's all sofas, isn’t it?
                Everyone expresses his opinion and it’s great when he doesn’t get personal wink
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  4. Dmitry Zverev 12 March 2020 16: 41 New
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    Outwardly ugly ship. Would turn to the designer.
    1. vadim dok 12 March 2020 16: 50 New
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      You checkers, or go?
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  6. Thrifty 12 March 2020 16: 44 New
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    For such a state, a very strong ship turned out. And, taking into account the fact that the Germans are building, there should not be any problems with operation. We are waiting for a "courtesy visit" to us, to Russia.
    1. smile 12 March 2020 23: 35 New
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      Thrifty
      :)))
      Strange you. The Germans were already visiting us with a courtesy visit .... I didn’t like it, although there were "no operational problems." :)))
      In the end, we crushed them and the entire European shobla, exceeding them in numbers, that they brought with them .... uncle, right? :)))
      It’s not very clear - are you eager to put the Jews under the hammer now? Well, you understand. that if they were suddenly, then ... let there be suddenly nothing - the Jews, unlike you, have brains - and they want to live, or understand. why die.
      Attacking us - no matter - alone. or a whole European pack - means - do not live.
      But why should they die - only you know.
      Jews just don’t know about it, because with their head everything is in order exactly .... They proved it repeatedly ...
      Sudor. that's interesting, but you sho, rogul?
      Or, maybe, our local fighter with Putinism, since you write such nonsense?
      It’s just that normally normal people don’t roll up to such nonsense ...
      Answer, or barking back under your bench, hide yourself :)))
      Frankly, I would like to hear your answer .... 6))))
      1. 3danimal 16 March 2020 04: 49 New
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        Tell us about the grandiose naval battles of the Soviet fleet during the WWII ... (Something comparable with the British or American Navy?)
        The fleet ... was not a strong point of the USSR.
        1. smile 27 March 2020 02: 04 New
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          3danimal
          Hello, sorry to answer late.
          I don’t quite understand what should I talk about? perhaps, about the forcing of multilayer minefields by submarines, the active fight of boats and the selfless actions of our naval aviation .... despite the fact that all of the above is not just a wild fight between the Japanese and the Americans. British, Dutch, etc. etc. but in general - even less than the Americans participated in ground operations on the European theater .....
          Only I did not understand your main question - why should I talk about the successes of our fleet, and what does my comment have to do with it ....
          By the way, not a single fleet during the Second World War operated in such a difficult mine environment - and not a single fleet, except ours and the Japanese, would send boats to break through dozens of defense lines of PLO that existed in the Gulf of Finland .... Germans, for all their complexity life :))) have never been subjected to such a massive pressure from anti-submarine forces and did not force such complex minefields - despite the fact that against them at the end of the war radar began to work ......
          Sorry, I didn’t understand what you were hinting at. and what did they mean .... what does the Jewish modern ships and successes, or the failure of our Fleet in the Second World War?
          Will you say? Or go into the fog .... :)))))
          1. 3danimal 27 March 2020 05: 45 New
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            Sea battles, although difficult for Soviet sailors, were not very successful and on a very small scale, in comparison even with the battles of the Germans and the British.
            The Union has never had a comparable experience in naval combat (with Britain, Germany, Japan, the USA).
            The anti-submarine pressure from the British and the United States was not stronger than an example: you can even count quantitatively, in addition, it was the Germans who hunted their convoys.
            About the courtesy visit (to which you answered sharply) - it was a matter of a friendly call at the port, it was strange to consider the military operations of the Israeli fleet against the Russian Federation. And yes, German shipyards work well, the engines are excellent. Many Russians also use their equipment. And it’s sad that it became impossible to put MTU diesel engines on the corvettes, there was both quality and productivity (the number under the contracts).
            About fighters against Putinism: I am rather an ill-wisher of veiled dictatorships, authoritarian monarchies and other forms of government, the purpose of which is the life-long rule of one who does not want to leave human power (and the rationale: genius, divine will, wretchedness and unworthiness of the rest of the population).
  7. voyaka uh 12 March 2020 16: 58 New
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    Here is his drawing diagram:
    1. Sky strike fighter 12 March 2020 17: 16 New
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      Do not tell me the performance characteristics of the medium and long-range air defense systems Barak 8? RCC, as I understand it, will be Harpoon.
      1. lucul 12 March 2020 17: 22 New
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        Do not tell me the performance characteristics of the medium and long-range air defense systems Barak 8? RCC, as I understand it, will be Harpoon.

        16 km in height, modestly silent about the range ....
        1. xrkzoulj 12 March 2020 17: 28 New
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          Quote: lucul
          16 km in height, modestly silent about the range

          Operational range 0.5–100 km (0.31–62.14 mi)
          Flight ceiling 16 km (9.9 mi) [3]
          Speed ​​Mach 2 (680 m / s) [3]

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barak_8
          1. lucul 12 March 2020 17: 35 New
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            Operational range 0.5–100 km

            Not more than our Redut air defense system (150 km), but we have the opportunity to upgrade to 300 km.
            1. 3danimal 16 March 2020 04: 51 New
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              They are satisfied (for 1900 tons - more than). At 22380, the Redoubt is greatly reduced without Polement.
        2. Sky strike fighter 12 March 2020 17: 29 New
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          There are two modifications: with medium-range missiles (up to 90 km) aka Barak-8 (MR-SAM) and with long-range missiles Barak-8ER (up to 150 km).
          Barak-8 ″ for protection against any type of air threats, including aircraft, helicopters, anti-ship missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles, as well as cruise missiles and combat aircraft at ranges up to 90 km. at any time and difficult weather conditions.


          Modifications

          MR-SAM - ground version, includes a control system, tracking, radars, missiles and mobile launchers + advanced radio frequency seeker
          Barak-8ER - extended range up to 150 km + inertial navigation system and active radar seeker + unified for marine and land use

          https://vpk.name/library/f/barak-8.html
      2. voyaka uh 12 March 2020 17: 25 New
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        Barak-8 is just sharpened against RCC.
        She knocks an attacking ship toward a missile. At the Indians in the naval exercises, she shot down the supersonic Bramos. Therefore, the Indians Barak-8 and bought.
        She does not know how to shoot down after the S-200 and similar missiles.
        1. Sky strike fighter 12 March 2020 17: 32 New
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          There is information that can work on tactical ballistic missiles.
          1. voyaka uh 12 March 2020 18: 06 New
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            That is unlikely... recourse
            There you need to intercept at high altitude.
            The Hetz or David Sling are designed for serious BR. Barak-8 - against the Kyrgyz Republic
        2. Mishiko 13 March 2020 01: 07 New
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          Barak-8 is just sharpened against RCC.
          She knocks an attacking ship toward a missile. The Indians in the teachings of the fleet, she shot down supersonic Bramos. Therefore, the Indians Barak-8 and bought.

          Fighter, drop the link to your tale about the defeat of the Bramos missile with the Barak-8 anti-aircraft missile and the likelihood of the defeat of such targets by the Barak-8 missile. Judging by the Internet, this is another fake.
      3. Aaron Zawi 12 March 2020 17: 34 New
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        Do not tell me the performance characteristics of the medium and long-range air defense systems Barak 8? RCC, as I understand it, will be Harpoon.

        Gabriel 5
        1. Sky strike fighter 12 March 2020 17: 47 New
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          Now the tendency is that all missiles should work both on ships and on land.
          RCC 'Gabriel' ", only new details on the description and performance characteristics of the rocket:

          RCC is capable of hitting not only surface ships, but also ground targets;

          Guidance system - GPS / INS and active radar seeker with advanced anti-jamming functions, all-weather capabilities, wide search range and good resolution of the underlying surface;

          Warhead - penetrating (semi-armor-piercing);

          Length - 5.5 m;

          Missile mass - 1,250 kg;

          Flight range - more than 200 km;

          Speed ​​- high subsonic.

          https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/349303.html
      4. Zeev Zeev 12 March 2020 20: 11 New
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        RCC there will be Israeli. Gabriel Mk. 5.
    2. Thrifty 12 March 2020 17: 18 New
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      Warrior, you will dominate with such a fleet in the region. Only, the main thing is not to abuse your power. ..
      1. lucul 12 March 2020 17: 40 New
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        Warrior, you will dominate with such a fleet in the region. Only, the main thing is not to abuse your power. ..

        But then we are also in Tartus. We have opportunities for modernization 22380 higher. Both under Zircons and under Polement. Actually, most likely the corvette 22380 for them, with a backlog and developed.
        1. alexmach 12 March 2020 20: 06 New
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          We have 22380 higher opportunities for modernization. Both under Zircons and under Poliment

          I ask you what other Zircons without UKKS and what kind of polymer without a radar, which there is nowhere to shove.

          But where the Israelis all shoved into the ship of displacement 20380 is a mystery to me. Does a dull nose really solve that?
          1. xrkzoulj 12 March 2020 20: 56 New
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            Does a dull nose really solve that?

            I doubt it. I, as simulating large-sized structures in CAD, imagine how this is done. The width of UKKS is 2.2 meters, which means the displacement would increase by inserting a section of a central section 3 meters wide. And that’s it.
            If the Israelites did not have enough space due to a long nose, they would simply insert a section wide in a PU bag. A dumb nose, in my opinion, is not so dumb, and most likely not chosen because of the space for the PU, but simply inherited from the base project.
            1. lucul 12 March 2020 21: 41 New
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              A dumb nose, in my opinion, is not so dumb, and most likely not chosen because of the space for the PU, but simply inherited from the base project.

              Seaworthiness, requires a longer nose, compare Yamato

              Iowa
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                Seaworthinessrequires longer nose

                I do not agree. And oceanic supertankers that go into any storms in the open ocean are proof of this.
                The shape of the nose depends on many factors, including the determination of the purpose of the ship and its size. Saar-6 with its "short" nose has a max. speed from 48 to 65 km / h (according to various sources). A long nose would be needed - would be lengthened without prejudice to the PU.
                1. lucul 13 March 2020 15: 15 New
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                  I do not agree. And oceanic supertankers that go into any storms in the open ocean are proof of this.
                  The shape of the nose depends on many factors, including the determination of the purpose of the ship and its size.

                  The larger the ship, the easier it suffers the storm. Here is Arly Burke (8 tons) on a small wave, and the aircraft carrier at least henna.

                  And then Avik got it))
          2. lucul 12 March 2020 20: 59 New
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            But where the Israelis all shoved into the ship of displacement 20380 is a mystery to me. Does a dull nose really solve that?

            Compare

            And our 22380

            See? And now move the ship’s superstructure 15-20 meters forward to the bow, and here’s the back of your seat. In addition, you see descent boats at the top, if you free up space under them and place vertical containers for 20 anti-aircraft missiles there, from each side it will work out quite well. Only now there will be no place for boats.
            1. lucul 12 March 2020 21: 26 New
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              P.S forgot to add - ours has a huge pipe too, it could be made more compact and carried out on the sides, as on Saar-6. And so the pipe ate a lot of useful space in the center.
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              But aren't launching cells with missiles located before the superstructure?
              Modern ships have a fairly dense layout and designers do not leave 20m of voids.
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            I ask you what other Zircons without UKKS and what kind of polymer without a radar, which there is nowhere to shove.

            And what, there is little space in the nose under the UKKS? Or does the radar take up so much space on the S-300 (land)? ))))
            He’s generally located on a car chassis)))
            1. alexmach 12 March 2020 22: 06 New
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              And what, there is little space in the nose for UKKS?

              Yes, it’s not enough, besides the center of mass will change if you put it on the nose. At 20385 they are in place of the starting redoubts.

              Or does the radar take up so much space on the S-300 (land)? ))))
              He generally placed on a car chassis)))

              Well, where are you going to poke a car chassis there?
              Well, look at the add-on, is there where to put this radar? And 4?
              1. lucul 12 March 2020 22: 12 New
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                Well, where are you going to poke a car chassis there?
                Well, look at the add-on, is there where to put this radar? And 4?

                Why not ? Quite get up

                Or do you not remember how upsetting the foremast, for example, on the Fuso battleship? )))
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          About Zircons: I found here the comments of 2010-2011 that Zircons will appear in service "next year and then everyone will be afraid." A missile with a scramjet, a powerful booster (starting from a ship, not an airplane), warhead and GSN will not fit in the dimensions of the UKKS cell. Rather, to the Granita launch mine at TARKr 1144.
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          We are waiting for photos and videos of miracle weapons (instead of the X-51 with the erased US signs).
      2. Aaron Zawi 12 March 2020 17: 45 New
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        Quote: Thrifty
        Warrior, you will dominate with such a fleet in the region. Only, the main thing is not to abuse your power. ..

        Not at all. Read about the fleets of Egypt, Turkey and Algeria.
        1. smile 12 March 2020 23: 53 New
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          A sober assessment of their capabilities indicates the seriousness and "danger" of the guys who make such an assessment. :)))) +
    3. Kurare 12 March 2020 17: 29 New
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      hi
      What does the name of the ship mean. They just built it in Germany, and in German Magen is a stomach. lol
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        hi
        What does the name of the ship mean. They just built it in Germany, and in German Magen is a stomach. lol
        What is magendavid everyone knows?
        Hint in the studio: Magen David - The Shield of David.
      2. voyaka uh 12 March 2020 17: 33 New
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        In Hebrew: shield.
        Magen David is translated as "the shield of David."
        1. Kurare 12 March 2020 17: 51 New
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          Thank you, everything is clear.
      3. Krasnodar 12 March 2020 19: 32 New
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        Quote: Kurare
        hi
        What does the name of the ship mean. They just built it in Germany, and in German Magen is a stomach. lol

        Magen - a shield or protector in Hebrew
        Magenkrebs - stomach cancer in German
        Magen Graps - Jewish protector burps laughing
        1. Oleg Olkha 12 March 2020 20: 15 New
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          The Germans (and the German teacher for the Israelis in Kiel ...) have already been explained that it’s not a "stomach", but Magen (מגן) and she calmed down ... smile
    4. A.TOR 12 March 2020 19: 53 New
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      Why are you cons for the scheme of the ship put I'm interested in.
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        A.TOR
        "Why are you cons for the scheme of the ship put interested in me."
        :)))
        And it is not clear?
        This Zionists Voyaku zaminusili for disclosing classified information! :)))
        Well, otherwise, there seems to be no one else, is it? :))))
        Well, we can’t (we mean colleagues on the site), minus someone according to ethnic, gender and other criteria different from the objective assessment written by the person involved ... after all, the same way, right? :)))
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          Cons I also "deservedly" feel I ...
  8. bald 12 March 2020 17: 00 New
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    You can’t say anything cleverly, but actually, we don’t get stuck a lot (of course, not by products), this is a deal. I developed Russia, so our scientists live in the world, your thought is a shame - every drop of it.
  9. V.I.P. 12 March 2020 17: 02 New
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    Somehow little is written on armaments. I wonder if there is a towed GAS? Are there electronic warfare facilities? Are there any anti-torpedo drugs?
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      Quote: V.I.P.
      Are there any electronic warfare

      The EL / M-2248 MF-STAR radar includes an anti-electronic warfare system capable of emitting low-profile targets in an electronic warfare environment.
      From the wikipedia article:
      The radar employs multi-beam and pulse Doppler techniques as-well-as robust Electronic counter-countermeasures techniques to extract low radar cross-section targets from complex clutter and jamming environments.
  10. lucul 12 March 2020 17: 14 New
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    32-charge installation of vertical launch of the medium and long-range air defense system Barak 8

    And what do they mean by "long range"? )))
    1. Aaron Zawi 12 March 2020 17: 49 New
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      32-charge installation of vertical launch of the medium and long-range air defense system Barak 8

      And what do they mean by "long range"? )))

      Probably an analogue of those delivered to Indian frigates.
  11. bald 12 March 2020 17: 14 New
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    Well, how much would be a prostitute - I had to for RUSSIA. For these, no matter how much they think, isn’t it funny for 49 years of fighting between factions - shame on the bastards.
    1. lucul 12 March 2020 17: 20 New
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      Well, how much would be a prostitute - I had to for RUSSIA.

      What?
      1. At Derebasovskaya 12 March 2020 17: 33 New
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        How to find out why it was forbidden to comment on this site?) There seems to be nothing for which they could give a ban did not write
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          Do not flatter yourself, everywhere everything is under interesting control, The world is cruel.
          1. At Derebasovskaya 13 March 2020 06: 24 New
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            What have I been seduced by?)
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              1. At Derebasovskaya 13 March 2020 07: 13 New
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                I don’t have anything against Israel, it’s just strange why Russian corvettes don’t stuff the same amount of weapons, because in the near sea zone hummingbirds in the amount of 8 pieces do not look as menacing as 16 PKR Israeli IMHO
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                  In fact, any product information is closed and get the hell. What is a melt tool in general? - This is a target that gkl will not be able to. WHAT NOW
      2. Krasnodar 12 March 2020 19: 34 New
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        Spice of salt, apparently
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        Yes, over your shoulder, take off your jacket, we will expel who is there .... Yes, it bore me off topic, sorry.
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      Ma'am, go to bed already, please. And then again wake up tomorrow - it will be a shame.
      Recently. looking through the press, I saw an interview of some elderly Hollywood actor (I didn’t even remember who - I don’t understand them, I already forgot those I knew), who said something like this - when I was 15 -18 years old - I was pretty dumb , but no one knew about it, because I did not have the Internet - well, they say, I didn’t manage to spread my own stupid things ...
      yeah, you have internet ... and alcohol .... byad. Tie it, in short. :)))
  12. Shahno 12 March 2020 17: 32 New
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    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Nice boat.

    Class. The product of our communication with some ..
  13. Shahno 12 March 2020 17: 36 New
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    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    Original. Why did they order from the Germans, and not from the Americans or the British?

    Because. ..They don't ask questions.
    1. Sky strike fighter 12 March 2020 17: 49 New
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      Regarding? Secrets from the allies?
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Regarding? Secrets from the allies?

        It is advisable that everything be learned after the fact
  14. Monster_Fat 12 March 2020 17: 43 New
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    "Villain" is clearly imprisoned for air defense, which is combined with sufficient striking power. Against the background of the number of its PUs for air defense missiles, the Russian counterparts look just a pity. Well, yes, the Kremlin’s “caliber” is “ours”, the rest is not important.
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      What are you crying for? Polement-Redoubt what does not suit you?
    2. lucul 12 March 2020 18: 24 New
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      "Villain" is clearly imprisoned for air defense, which is combined with sufficient striking power. Against the background of the number of its PUs for air defense missiles, the Russian counterparts look just a pity. Well, yes, the Kremlin’s “caliber” is “ours”, the rest is not important.

      It has almost no nose (tank), because of this, and the internal space of the ship is larger with comparable sizes. But with such a calculation, it was possible to make a simple air defense barge ....
      The long nose of the ship is necessary for good seaworthiness, because of this, the internal (useful) space of the ship is sharply reduced, as in our corvettes 22380.
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        "No nose"? Hm .... So the traditions of Jewish shipbuilding originate from the "ark" of Noah, therefore, and it is not surprising that the modern, their corvette "has no nose." laughing
      2. smile 13 March 2020 00: 14 New
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        Vitali, apparently, they sacrificed seaworthiness in order to stuff the ship with a large number of weapons. The ship is not even theoretically going to send to the ocean. The Americans. the Japanese, Chinese, we, Germans and even Italians should consider seaworthiness in the ocean - and the Jews ordered a ship for themselves. That's all with the nose and everything else. For them, this ship is quite suitable, it seems to me.
    3. Oleg Olkha 12 March 2020 21: 09 New
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      After the sensational publication by the Finns of the photo and brief performance characteristics of Gabriel-5, many questions appeared in different languages, including on http://forums.airbase.ru/ "Yes, I see that it’s like a Jewish tomahawk .... The USA, categorically, refused to sell Tomahawk SLCM at one time, suggesting what could happen on BV ... Then the Israelis made their analogue “Tomahawk”, based on the UAB (I don’t remember her name) only in 650 mm caliber. Therefore, these carriers, in fact, SLCMs, are their submarines with TA caliber 650 mm But time goes on ... and about G-5 it’s been like rumors about ten years already ... and finally the first photo. Since (if not nonsense) the mass is 1250 kg. + Turbojet engine ... as if to the indicated 200 km, it wouldn’t be added about 1000 km. And if the warhead mass is reduced, or if it is replaced by a warhead ... the range can also grow. "However, during the journey, the dog could grow up!" :) Here’s the trick, why is it difficult for RCCs to end with long range? Which aircraft carriers of the Russian Federation or similar BNKs deserve such a warhead in the Baltic? There are no goals for such a warhead in the Baltic. It seems that this is not RCC at all ... but what? It’s also clear that Israel’s BNC is armed SLCM Gabriel-5 appeared. (cbvtbpzknf # 17.12.2019 13:50)
  15. xrkzoulj 12 March 2020 18: 11 New
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    The Israeli Navy plans that after the installation of weapons and equipment, the corvettes will enter the fleet in 2021-2022.

    Interestingly, they will complement the current Saar-5 or replace it? Timing is very fast. If replaced, then probably Saar-5 will go on sale, like the previous ones, Saar-4.
  16. A. Privalov 12 March 2020 18: 20 New
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    where did baptismal procedure, during which he received the name Magen.

    The author apparently wanted to say "circumcision procedure".? laughing hi
    1. Krasnodar 12 March 2020 19: 37 New
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      Loss of
      Greetings! Bruchim Ahosrim! hi
      Good to see drinks
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        Thank you, mutually! drinks hi
  17. Oleg Olkha 12 March 2020 18: 27 New
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    The article repeats previous inaccuracies: art. weapons, except 2 x 25-30 mm - Oto Melara 76 mm. super rapid, 2x20! C-Dome, PKR- Gabriel-5 (see their photos sold to Finland) or supersonic concern IAI (not Harpoons) Germans yesterday: "... Diesen Korvettentyp zeichnen hohe Geschwindigkeiten aus. Durch ihren Diesel- bzw. Gasantrieb kann diese Typklasse nach Medienangaben eine Höchstgeschwindigkeit von circa 35 Knoten (65 km / h) erreichen ... den Hubschraubertypen „Sikorsky Sh 60 Seahawk“ und noch dazu zwei Drohnen mitzuführen. " (... This type of corvette is characterized by high speeds. Thanks to its diesel and gas turbine drive, it can reach a maximum speed of about 35 knots (65 km / h), according to the media ... Helicopter ... and two drones "There is electric movement for a quiet anti-submarine Available, censored, brief information in Hebrew about control systems with AI, EW (active and passive) AFAR radars, anti-torpedoes, low-frequency submersible ASGs, etc., etc. requires special knowledge ... A successful test drive has begun at 8 in the morning and reached the Danish island of Bornholm, the Germans write, showing a photo of the corvette with three flags - Israeli, German and Danish ...
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      And what are two UAVs? Any suggestions or information?
  18. Sergey Averchenkov 12 March 2020 20: 50 New
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    Ordering weapons from Germany is at least stupid and not patriotic from Israel. They forgot how many Jews Germany destroyed? How short is human memory ... Sometimes it seems to me that the Germans will never be able to wash themselves off from their deeds - lampshades, gloves made of human skin are not the worst thing they did ... Do not forget this, otherwise it will happen again.
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      at least stupid and not patriotic

      So they dragged the term patriotism and all its derivatives, that there is no longer any sense in its use.
      The fact that Israel is cooperating with Germany is just a lively sitting against allegations that Israel is not capable of peace. If the most terrible enemies of the last century have become Israel's closest friends, then Iran can again become friends, and Arab countries can become. Nobody knows the future.
      1. Sergey Averchenkov 12 March 2020 21: 27 New
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        I would not be able to make peace with Germany in the place of Israel, believe me, history goes in a spiral - this will happen again. Remember the first world war - Germany was completely humiliated, that's why they got the mood for revenge. In a terrible form, this revenge was realized (concentration camps and much more). In the second world humiliated? Wait.
    2. Oleg Olkha 12 March 2020 22: 06 New
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      These "platforms" in Israel alone will become real warships and it will cost another two times 430 million euros, but in shekels! (the usual ratio of the “bare” platform to everything else is 30/40% to 70/60%. As the English ship saying goes about hulls: “steel is cheap and air is free.” The Germans have huge shipbuilding capacities, it’s a sin not to use them ( bargaining ...) and give them a job.
    3. Bagatur 12 March 2020 23: 03 New
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      Germany takes on a large share of the cost of the ship. Compensation for the Holocaust.
      1. Oleg Olkha 12 March 2020 23: 38 New
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        115 million euros of “compensation” from a modest contract for 430 million about nothing. The Germans are well aware that "assistance to Israel" is a hidden state subsidy to a private enterprise, which is prohibited by law, but is useful for elections. The real Compensation is when, remembering the story, they do not open their mouths or blather, having familiarized themselves with Israeli TUs on new submarines, although they understand everything perfectly. Therefore, while the construction in Germany, and not the Anglo-Saxons, (which would necessarily "blather" and refused) as noted above ...
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          "Nose" INS Magen (anyone interested) can be found here, in the final assembly dock for two units. at different stages. https://www.fxp.co.il/showthread.php?t=19660232
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