After 35 years, the country resumes production of turbopump plants for the Tu-160

It became known that in Russia the industrial production of TNUK (turbopump installations) was resumed for a modernized version of the Tu-160 strategic bomber-missile carrier Tu-160M. Recall that the production of the Tu-160 itself in a modernized version was resumed by a decision of 2015.

It is noteworthy that the so-called TNUKs have not been produced in our country for about 35 years. So, these aircraft installations were created in the mid-1980s in the USSR. Then the industrial production of TNUK was discontinued.

Updated versions of the turbopump systems are reported to feature high-pressure plunger pumps. Industrial marking - NP109-A. These pumps began to be produced last year. The impetus for the start of such production was the import substitution program.

The first deeply modernized strategic missile carrier T-160M ​​took to the air in February of this year. On board, modern communications and navigation facilities, control systems, and electronic warfare systems are operated. According to some reports, the aircraft has an increased range compared to its predecessors.

Press Service of Technodinamika Holding:

It was decided to resume the production of TNUK as part of the state task, and today the task is being successfully implemented. The stage of qualification tests has already been completed, and together with the OKB Crystal, preparations are underway for the supply of a serial batch of plants.

Comments

[DMB 75]

The first deeply modernized strategic missile carrier T-160M ​​took to the air in February of this year.

This is really good news !!! Clear skies!

[Finches]

It turns out Putin in his place!

[novel66]

and will be there for a long time

[Finches]

I have suffered so much with Yeltsin's democracy in the 90s that let it be long - Bolivar (Russia) will not survive the second "reformer"! I would, if I had a magic wand, return the time of Brezhnev, but with Stalin's manners, I really want to see Chubais on the rack ...

[novel66]

well, not his one ... row of rears ... to the horizon ..

[nod739]

You already decide, and even Putin in his place and Chubais on the rack ..) it turns out mutually exclusive paragraphs)))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nod739

You already decide, and even Putin in his place and Chubais

They are from the same "team".

[maidan.izrailovich]

They are from the same "team".

There is a black sheep in any herd.

[Finches]

But where is there! When Tolik and Borya raided the country, the GDP portfolio was dragged by Sobchak, and he ran around the city with a screwdriver and a stepladder - he changed the signs on houses from Leningrad to St. Petersburg!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Finches

I have suffered so much from Yeltsin's democracy in the 90s that let it be long - Bolivar (Russia) will not survive the second "reformer"

And I suffered even when Yeltsin Ball Chairman of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR.

[Angelo Provolone]

I would, if I had a magic wand, return the time of Brezhnev, but with Stalin's manners - I really want to see Chubais on the rack

Yes, Brezhnev’s time nervously smoking on the sidelines, compared to today. And the 90th did not even dream of the scope of corruption that is now.

It’s just that you didn’t come across this, like most of those who lived quietly under Brezhnev.

[IL-64]

Come on?)))) Forgot cotton business?))) And this is just one example. No need to pull an owl on the globe))) there was no corruption under Brezhnev))) Shchelokov for the seduction of youngsters removed?))) Do not remember the name of Medunov, of course?)))

[maidan.izrailovich]

No need to pull the owl on the globe)))

You pull the owl onto the globe. Trying to equate Brezhnev’s times to the present. In cotton matters, the main reason for the additions was not personal enrichment, but to stay in power. Failure to fulfill the five-year plan then threatened to change the leadership of the republic. That is why postscripts were made in the statistics on the fulfillment of the plan. Plus, state prizes and awards were obtained. But the main goal was to remain in power. .
And the main difference between the Brezhnev era and the Putin era is that under Brezhnev, one way or another, a person was punished. There were the highest measure (director Eliseevsky, Deputy Minister of Fisheries.) And landing for long periods. But even if the criminal offense was not proved, the person was still expelled from the party with all the consequences.

[IL-64]

I can’t forbid you to live in the world of your illusions. Especially the thesis of the desire to maintain power, without the desire for personal enrichment amused

[Finches]

Compared to Chubais’s privatization, the cotton business is just like a second-grader chupa-chups stole ... and then shaking for a long time from fear under the mother’s bed from fear of exposure, but Yeltsin and Chubais are not an owl, and you and I’m all over Russia pulled the globe!

[Angelo Provolone]

Yes, your "cotton business" is nonsense compared to what it is now.
For example, selling gold 2019:

Russia sold UK gold at a record $ 5 billion

.
And to expose Tereshkova in such an unpleasant light: the woman was not prepared, read with hesitation, to make a proposal to nullify the term, so that someone could be elected. Yes, there is a conscience? Well, Putin still wants to rule, well, be a man, come out and say. Hid behind a woman ... Well, just not like a man ...

[AU Ivanov.]

Under Brezhnev, corruption arose. It was just when he began to merge power with crime.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Finches

I would, if I had a magic wand, return the time of Brezhnev, but with Stalin's manners, I really want to see Chubais on the rack ...

Would you like to launch Tereshkova on Vostok-6?

[Finches]

Like it or not - Tereshkova, our glorious and great history of space exploration! She, perhaps, still flies there ... But to her, unlike many deputies, it is possible - she deserved it!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: novel xnumx

and will be there for a long time

According to the latest news on the box, it seems a very long time.

[Romeo]

By the way, pay attention here there are no those characters from the forum about amendments. Perhaps they are on duty there. And this news is not that for them. Surprisingly, a completely different composition of the members of the forum is now here.

[Voyager]

Just a topic there is relevant. Everyone wants to express their phi. And here, it seems to me, not everyone understands what a turboprop installation is ...

[Shuttle]

Quote: Voyager

Just a topic there is relevant. Everyone wants to express their phi. And here, it seems to me, not everyone understands what a turboprop installation is ...

By the way, I have a question. Is it by chance not to refuel in the air?
Or is it a part for engines?

[Voyager]

Neither one nor the other, Dmitry. This is an element of the aircraft’s hydraulic system, which is responsible for mechanization, control surfaces and other components like drum sets.

[Shuttle]

Quote: Voyager

Neither one nor the other, Dmitry. This is an element of the aircraft’s hydraulic system, which is responsible for mechanization, control surfaces and other components like drum sets.

Thank you.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Romeo

By the way, pay attention here there are no those characters from the forum about amendments.

And where is the amendment that the laws of the Russian Federation are higher than the International ones. And where is the amendment that senior officials and deputies of the Russian Federation cannot own real estate abroad and money in foreign banks. It cannot pass, and what a "God the king and the fatherland" with a bang!

[Campanella]

In due time, timely and in place!

[Mavrikiy]

The impetus for the start of such production was the import substitution program.

Weepers, a program that does not work? Oh well....

[St Petrov]

now spawn. do not hurry

[Mordvin 3]

Petrov, do you consider yourself old, or not?

[Self]

Of course, I'm not a fighter, but for the sake of objectivity, I can't help but notice. The joy that at last they could recreate a detail half a century ago is somewhat premature. When they will be able to manufacture the remaining three million aircraft parts, install modern electronics and computers, make it, and put it on alert, then with a sense of pride and say "the program is working."

[businessv]

Quote: Self

When they will be able to manufacture the remaining three million aircraft parts, install modern electronics and computers, make it, and put it on alert, then with a sense of pride and say "the program is working."

I think you will find something to say in order not to rejoice, colleague! I am pleased with any message about new ships, planes, not to mention factory facilities, about which for the last 30 years you have only heard that they are closing, bankrupt and other similar dregs! So the news also pleased me!

[Campanella]

They can’t, we’ll bend faster.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Self

Of course, I am not a prowess, but for the sake of objectivity, I cannot but notice. The joy of finally being able to recreate a detail half a century ago is somewhat premature

I read an interview with the former deputy minister of the Civil Air Fleet, Honored Pilot Smirnov about the state of the civilian fleet at the time of the collapse and now, and just wanted to sob.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Self

That's when they can make the remaining three million parts of the aircraft, put in modern electronics and computers, make it, and put them on combat duty

N, yes, it is not an easy job ... It is not even easy .... As VI Lenin used to say - "Arch is difficult! Arch is important!"

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Self

The joy of finally being able to recreate a detail half a century ago is somewhat premature. That's when the other three million aircraft parts can be made,

"Detail weighing more than five tons" - (Pokrovskie gates). Three million parts - so few, 10 million parts and a new plane!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Self

When they will be able to manufacture the remaining three million aircraft parts, install modern electronics and computers, make it, and put it on alert, then with a sense of pride and say "the program is working."

The "chip" has burned out, there is no one to put it, this is serious, but if we replace it with our own. No need to cry, we have not experienced it "Fire, water, copper pipes, revolutions, perestroika and a bunch of wars, but survived."

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Self

The joy that finally could recreate a detail half a century ago, somewhat premature. When they will be able to manufacture the remaining three million aircraft parts, install modern electronics and computers, make it, and put it on alert, then with a sense of pride and say "the program is working."

Exactly. And then there are some “half-state” (military men without shoulder straps) who want to twitch and break off their udders with one hand (Putin “for a long time” and Chubais “on end”). Just amazed with enthusiastic euphoria about:

- And we have a cat today
I gave birth to kittens yesterday.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Self

That's when the other three million parts can be made.

then you come up with another whining !!! not diarrhea, so scrofula is the life credo of local pseudo-communists living in their invented parallel little world !!!

[Honest Citizen]

Quote: Mavrikiy

The impetus for the start of such production was the import substitution program.

Weepers, a program that does not work? Oh well....

Let's first clarify what kind of program we are talking about.
We had two import substitution programs.
1. When import substitutions were made for the defense industry in Ukraine.
2. When imported equipment was replaced for the production of capital goods.
If the first - how many years would it take to make a part according to the available drawings? 5 years, since the gap with Ukraine occurred in 2014. Well, let four - the period is not short, of course, but it’s good what happened.
If we are talking about the second - it is better not to remember.
I don’t regard myself as all-crawler, but I really look at things.

[businessv]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Let's first clarify what kind of program we are talking about.
We had two import substitution programs.

Yes, it’s not a matter of clarification, colleague! Import substitution simply served as an impetus to production; the article does not say a word about where TNUK was previously produced, 35 years ago!

[Honest Citizen]

From the article, I realized what was produced in Ukraine.
I worked and work in industry, and I really see that we can create our own machine, our own furnace, but its quality strongly inferior to a foreign woman. Yes, and components for machines, controllers, are purchased abroad. And I do not think that the details for the USSR strategic planes were placed elsewhere, except in territories that until 91 were a single country. Too important production to ensure the military security of the country.

[Lozovik]

Quote: Honest Citizen

From the article, I realized what was produced in Ukraine.

TNUK and NP-109A are produced at the same place in Ufa at UAPO.

[Honest Citizen]

TNUK and NP-109A are produced at the same place in Ufa at UAPO.

What are you! Sure?
Read one more time CAREFULLY article title:
After 35 years, the country resumes production of turbopump plants for the Tu-160
And what, sorry, we have been doing for 35 years?
Or, you want to say that for the past 20 years this question has not bothered anyone?
Then let me ask the following question: WHY?
Will you answer or write off the guarantor again?

[Lozovik]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Or, you want to say that for the past 20 years this question has not bothered anyone?

They were not needed because the release of product P was discontinued. During this time, the previous supplier of castings reprofiled the production (they decided to pour pans instead of complex titanium castings), I had to look for a new one and master it again.

[Honest Citizen]

They were not needed

Hmm ... well, if they were not needed for 35 years ... now why then recreate such junk? Although the question is rhetorical ...
Are you familiar with the term "mobilization reserve"? If not, then it’s better not even answer.

[Fikys]

Were not needed - did not. They became necessary - they began to do. And the fact that they were able to start doing what was needed, and even at a new technical level, makes me happy. And what does not suit you in this ?!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Honest Citizen

I don’t regard myself as all-crawler, but I really look at things.

We all look at things realistically: some - facing “head-on”, others - from a window from which Red Square is visible, others - from a company car window, and there are those who wave their hand from London or some other Nice .. .

[smart ass]

The great achievement was resumed by the production of an airplane 40 years ago) worthy of huge staples

[Crystal of Truth]

Not an airplane but one unit

[Incvizitor]

resumed production of a plane 40 years ago

Well, in the world this is the best strategist, in any case, he and the normal competitors are not.

[smart ass]

I agree with that. But for 40 years, the country has not come up with anything new, and even vice versa managed to lose technology, this only means that the country is behind.

[bars1]

Not in the subject, but on import substitution. The first fully Russian COOLED thermal imager was created. The thermal imager was created on a domestic electronic battery and already in a series

[Swordserg]

It's great! Three years ago, at a lecture for schoolchildren in Tomsk, a leading TPU professor told us that due to sanctions we were denied access to imported thermal imagers, and we did not have modern technology for their manufacture. And so! Hurray comrades!

[vlad106]

Quote: Swordserg

Three years ago, at a lecture for schoolchildren in Tomsk, a leading TPU professor told us that due to sanctions we were denied access to imported thermal imagers, and we did not have modern technology for their manufacture. And so! Hurray comrades!

M-yes!
3 years. promptly ...

[Swordserg]

There was no problem assembling a thermal imager as such. The problem was in the matrix as far as I remember from the lecture. There was something on the resistors. Our old technologies did not allow us to get the proper quality. The West is ahead of us in this. But at that time ours created screens for reflecting infrared rays. No one has them. Essentially makes the technique invisible in this range. This is another professor told us.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bars1

The thermal imager was created on the domestic electronic battery and is already in the series

Though off topic, but nice.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: bars1

The first fully Russian COOLED thermal imager was created.

The first time I read it as “the first Russian TV” ...

[gurzuf]

Own, good, always - good.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: gurzuf

Own, good, always - good.

Comrade Stalin taught us this at the time. If there weren’t one, the Second World War would have lost.

[Vasyan1971]

Wow! Three times.

[businessv]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Wow! Three times.

I don't understand what "wow" is. Wow! - it's our way!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: businessv

I don't understand what "wow" is. Wow! - it's our way!

Wow! - a triumphant wolf howl. Having read "Mowgli" since childhood, I howl from time to time. Think it's racially wrong? I believe that Russophiles, like Russophobes, are of the same field of burdocks. I am for common sense within the framework of common sense.
And in general - I do not understand the claims from a person with such an "incomprehensible" self-name.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Wow! - the triumphant wolf howl.

From a past life (learning English in kindergartens) I remember how pets shout in English:
- cat - “Mew-Mew”;
- cock - “Cockle-Doo”;
- the dog - “BauWow».

[businessv]

Quote: Vasyan1971

And in general - I do not understand the claims from a person with such an "incomprehensible" self-name.

Do not confuse claims with expressing opinions, colleague, these are two different things. As for the nickname, this is the beginning of my email, everything is simple, especially since there is a name nearby. And what can a person’s intellect depend on nick? I just don’t like foreign words introduced into the Russian language; I speak English, German, but I don’t put them into my speech. Racism has nothing to do with it, somehow you are reacting painfully, dumped everything in a heap. How to write is your business, but this is my personal opinion!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: businessv

Do not confuse claims with expressing opinions, colleague, these are two different things.

Duck, I don’t confuse. So, I'm kidding.

Quote: businessv

And what can a person’s intellect depend on nick?

No, i guess. As well as "And the talking dog Chow Chau pronounced quite clearly:" Wow-Wow ". ©

Quote: businessv

I just do not like foreign words introduced into the Russian language

Yes? It is probably very difficult for you to live. In our language, these matters are immeasurable. There is nothing to be done about objective reality, so to speak.

Quote: businessv

somehow you are reacting painfully, dumped everything in a heap.

Not. I'm kidding.

Quote: businessv

How to write is your business, but this is my personal opinion!

Sy ... thank you!

[businessv]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Sy ... thank you!

Well you ... come in, if cho!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Wow! Three times

I won’t scream, but I support.

[Svetlana]

Based on the article, it does not work at all that only one completely new part is used on the plane.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit

So everything else is a spare part since the times of the USSR, or nothing has changed at all.

You know, my reasoning is simpler. From what time and how, and what was created, but the most beautiful bomber "stands on the wing", I do not know how the pilots talk about this, and let other countries try to create one.

[Aleks1973]

What kind of nonsense? NP109-A ordinary plunger pump, the release of which did not stop ... maybe they started production at some particular enterprise and now this is a super achievement ???

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alex1973

What kind of nonsense? NP109-A ordinary plunger pump, the release of which did not stop ... maybe they started production at some particular enterprise and now this is a super achievement ???

This is a turbopump installation. As I understand it, this is the NP-109A pump + turbine itself, which causes its rotation + gearbox. Pumps were released, but there was no TNUK installation.

[Alipes]

Plunger stand on the box of engine units and are driven into rotation from it.

[Piramidon]

Quote: alipes

Plunger stand on the box of engine units and are driven into rotation from it.

Not necessary. There are plunger pumps with an electric drive (agr.465), there are ones with a drive from the box of aircraft units, and there is, like the one discussed in the article, with a drive from a turbine.

[Alipes]

Right. Plunger and turbos are two different things. I have written more than once that the authors of the articles have nothing to do with technology and aviation.

[Mikhail m]

I apologize to ask, but who made the equipment for the manufacture? If ours, I will be extremely glad.

[Sky strike fighter]

Software - USA

Well, of course. So that Americans in the software that poses a threat to them Tu-160M, set more bookmarks?

Workers are citizens of Ukraine

Bred.Ukraine can’t finish building its planes for how many years. And then suddenly there were citizens of Ukraine at the enterprise regime. The Tu-160 in the USSR was built on the territory of the RSFSR. What does Ukraine have to do with it?

High Strength Steel - German

You can end this conversation.

[Honest Citizen]

Well, of course. So that Americans in the software that poses a threat to them Tu-160M, set more bookmarks?

As an option - Japanese. CNC machines, part programs write yes, ours, but it's like windows - you work in the editor, and Microsoft software itself.
As for high-strength steel - we can still cook. There are still ESRs, VDP. Technology of course the 70s, but still.

[pipetro]

More nonsense about Chinese CNC machines I have not heard)). Russian CNC machines of enormous size and cost, even Germans come to buy). Moreover, they ordered it at a contingent bankrupt machine-tool factory located in the outback. Do you know anything about the Russian engineering industry?

[Honest Citizen]

More nonsense about Chinese CNC machines I have not heard)). Russian CNC machines of enormous size and cost, even Germans come to buy).

You’re so, balabol ... or you can bring facts

[pipetro]

You’re so, balabol ... or you can bring facts

He appeared at the reception in the then barely breathing IZTS in Ivanovo. The Germans were selling a machine with a height of 2 floors. They generally had good relations with this plant (they lured workers to themselves).
Although you are rude and digging around (especially for you) there is not much desire in the network, but here is the first thing that I found in 20 seconds of searching:
http://minpromtorg.gov.ru/activities/industry/otrasli/stankostroi/

Now you can merge and come up in some other news

[Korax71]

[quote] A striking example is Ivanovo. As part of the aforementioned unfinished transaction with the Bazhanovs, STAN Group LLC acquired 5 machine tools from 8-1962 with an average age of about 1987 years at the time of the transaction for 35 million rubles. And after that she sold the same equipment to her subsidiary Ivanovsky Machine Tool Plant LLC for 212 million rubles, having increased the real value by 42,4 times. Following these “revalued" machines were used as collateral for loans taken at NOVIKOMBANK. And in May 2016 LLC “Ivanovo Machine Tool Plant” attracted financing in the FRP in the amount of 300 million rubles. for the implementation of the project “Creation of a modern production of motor spindles / spindle devices for numerically controlled machines (CNC)”. The total project budget amounted to 607,7 million rubles, of which STAN itself committed to contribute 307,7 million. Co-financing funds should have been directed to the acquisition of new equipment. But already in June 2016, Ivanovo Machine Tool Plant LLC informed the Industrial Development Fund that it proposed taking into account the mentioned 8 machines for this purpose, which since May 2015 have already been laid in favor of NOVIKOMBANK.

The result of financial manipulation was predictable.
Serial production of motor spindles was promised to be launched in Ivanovo in the 1st quarter of 2017. And, judging by the reports of the STAN in the FRP, this is what happened, even ahead of schedule. The Fund, for some reason, did not verify the reality of the reports.

Only recently did the Audit Chamber find out that production in Ivanovo has not yet been launched. After that, the information was changed on the official website of the FRP. If earlier it was reported about the established mass production, now it is indicated that the “production and testing of prototypes” has been going on since the 2nd quarter of 2019. Serial production will begin only from the 3rd quarter. However, industry experts believe that this is almost impossible. At least, the notorious 8 machines involved in the project, obsolete and physically worn out to the point of scrap metal, are not applicable for the creation of modern machine-tool production. [Quote]
The STAN group of companies is undergoing inspections. There are so many tricks up there. The most common mistakes: a lot of non-deliveries to customers, including those already covered in the media, disruptions of deliveries under the contracts of the National Industry Promotion Agency with attempts to replace foreign brands with equipment, as well as disruptions of deliveries under contracts within the framework of projects financed by the Industrial Development Fund for hundreds of millions of rubles.
In 2019, the factory’s workshops were auctioned off, as there is an article in the Ivanovo Live newspaper.
[quote] Three land plots with a total area of ​​8 hectares are offered for sale at the address: Ivanovo, Stankostroiteley street, 1. And also located on the plots: foundry building - 30429 sq. m. meters; woodworking building - 15274 square meters. meter; warehouse - 2554 sq. m. meter. [quote]
Do not give thanks

[pipetro]

Why have you copied the corruption case here? How does this relate to the topic under discussion and why thank you?
Here is my word of honor, there is a persistent feeling that I communicate with some schoolchildren or villagers with 3 classes of education.

[Korax71]

This is in response to your link where the production of machine tools is established, either mainly by mouth or on paper. So, in 2016, 714 machines with numerical control (CNC) were made in the amount of 7,095 billion rubles, and in 2017 this figure increased up to 987 units of equipment (8,053 billion rubles). Only 9 units (2018 billion rubles) were produced in the first 418 months of 4,046. Obviously, such growth does not carry a significant market share and special prospects. It does not create a foundation in the development of digital industries and does not affect the volume of import dependence. Keeping pace, technological independence will be achieved for decades.
Domestic production is developing mainly in the field of low-tech equipment, which is associated with a number of reasons, primarily with the loss of scientific and technological groundwork in the post-Soviet period, as well as the lack of human resources in engineering and working specialties. In the post-perestroika period, these professions became unclaimed and underpaid, the existing staff got old and retired, and the youth practically did not go to these vacancies.
The third reason is the lack of a domestic base of manufacturers of high-tech components, including bearings, guides, ball screw pairs and others.
According to preliminary statistics, the consumption of metalworking equipment in 2018 increased by almost 15% compared to 2017 and amounts to 21 pcs., Import - 108 pcs., Machine tools and KPOs - 13 pcs., Export - 387 pcs. .
According to the Customs Committee, the import of metal-cutting machine tools in the Russian Federation in 2018 amounted to: 1022 planing, grooving, broaching, gear-cutting, grinding machines - 810, metal-cutting machines for drilling, boring, milling - 899 pcs., Turning - 2656 pcs., machining centers - 1577 pcs. Export: planing, grooving, broaching, gear cutting machines - 35 pcs., Grinding - 43 pcs., Metal cutting for drilling, boring, milling - 53 pcs., Turning - 70 pcs.
The Expertise working group of the industry commission of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade considered 2018 applications for the purchase of equipment by state-owned enterprises in 2125. The lack of a domestic counterpart was confirmed for 1740 requests. Well, here is the answer from the min. Of commercial bargaining regarding Chinese, German and other machines.

[businessv]

Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit

The software of Chinese CNC machines for manufacturing this part is developed in the USA.

CNC machines of excellent quality are produced in Germany with excellent software from Siemens. I think it is unlikely that the military industry will take products of dubious quality in China.

[Honest Citizen]

Colleague, you say seditious thoughts for urapatriots!
Now zamusunut.
Here are TRU patriots

[businessv]

Quote: Honest Citizen

Colleague, you say seditious thoughts for urapatriots!

Well, excuse me please!

[mikstepanenko]

Software - USA

Of course of course. This is how they ended up with programmers who came from the USSR (the first emigre specialty was a programmer, 80% of the programmers were from the union, the second was a taxi driver), so the F-35 software cannot be brought to mind. It is the bloopers in the software that is the reason that the "penguin" is still just a very expensive toy.

[Honest Citizen]

Microsoft, the mass of applications - really American. No one denies the fact that Russians, Indians, and Chinese work there - but the software patent belongs to the developer company. And therefore the American. It’s about patents, if you don’t understand.

[mikstepanenko]

Typical workforce for an American company. The highest administrative staff, directors are Americans. The technical staff - engineers, technicians - Russians, China, India. The workers are Americans. They DO NOT have their own technical staff, including programmers. This ALREADY affects the efficiency of the economy, an example of which is the "penguin". Patents are a good thing, but they become obsolete. And who will work on new ones? Problems not only with the engineering level, problems with qualified workforce. For two generations they have not been able (and do not want) to work there, but live on social benefits.

[Honest Citizen]

Problems not only with the engineering link, problems with skilled workers.

You are about this line about the USA or about Russia. The same problems.
The only difference is that they can afford to buy a specialist, and we do not. Rather, we might want it, but the management of companies often refuses to pay them a decent salary. Well, the standard of living by itself.
They are invested in the purchase of a ready-made specialist, and we have ceased to invest even in the preparation of an elementary generational change.

[mikstepanenko]

You can buy one, two, a thousand .... But not fully provide personnel. To do this, you need another people, and where to put those who are. They have long, several generations, no elementary training. The reason for this is the education system, when the equalization goes to the worst, to the weakest. We intensively adopted their education system (instead of something good). Now we already have a rollback from that system, maybe it’s weak but it’s going. And they already have everything, they arrived. There is no one to even teach them to return from the level of the first half of the 19th century.

[Honest Citizen]

And they already have everything, they arrived. There is no one to even teach them to return from the level of the first half of the 19th century.

We will catch up with them in 20 years while maintaining the current state of things.

[mikstepanenko]

It depends on what. Financially yes, if the current position of the dollar as a world currency remains. That allows them to use "stolen brains" from all over the planet. The question is how long the dollar will last. This is a pyramid scheme like MMM. Only the public debt (and the debt of pension funds is several times greater) exceeds ALL the amount of money in the world, cash and non-cash, of all countries. This cannot last forever. And in education, we have not yet had time to sink to their level. I'm not even talking about the technical, the majority of the population does not even know how to read.

[Honest Citizen]

Financially yes

The issue is access to education. Just do not tell me that you are not aware that the free higher education is now available to everyone.
In Moscow time no longer, I suppose in St. Petersburg too. For all the "vacant" places have long been scheduled.

[mikstepanenko]

Just do not tell me that you are not aware that the free higher education is now available to everyone.
And I did not know that free higher education is available to everyone. This has never happened, even in the Union. For free higher, you always had to run, the contests were rather big, one desire is not enough.

[Honest Citizen]

Just do not tell me that you are not aware that the free higher education is now available to everyone.

And I did not know that free higher education is available to everyone. This has never happened, even in the Union.

Strange thing ... My father graduated from MISiS (steel alloys)
Mom graduated from Odessa University
And something I did not hear from them about paying for education

[mikstepanenko]

Did I mention anything about payment? I'm talking about contests, why ALL could not get the highest. There were contests and 20 people per place.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: mikstepanenko

And I did not know that free higher education is available to everyone. This has never happened, even in the Union. For free higher, you always had to run, the contests were rather big, one desire is not enough.

If not sarcasm, then "crap" - filter. Are you from the Soviet Union, which was shot from tanks in 1993? And before that, they also paid a scholarship, for which you could have lunch in the student cafeteria.

[mikstepanenko]

In 1993, it was impossible to shoot an alliance of tanks, it was not there for two years. And I studied at the institute in 1975-1980, with the union. And I had a scholarship, increased. And when you read, you need to do the nuances correctly. I have the main word for EVERYBODY, and you have made the main word for FREE. Distort is not good.

[mvg]

so can't bring software to mind

Imagine, any software is being improved. Whether it be Windows 95, it comes to Windows 10. Any software product. And there are still hidden features (cheat codes). And yes, how do these 500 pieces of pigeons, excuse me, penguins, fly then? Here they are arrogant, they can’t, but they fly

[mikstepanenko]

Imagine that you need competent programmers to improve software. And catching a bug in a program is much more difficult than writing a new one. And Windows 95 to 10 took 20 years. And the error in Windows is not as critical as in the software of a combat aircraft. You can restart the computer or reinstall the OS, which you cannot do in flight. I never said that "penguins" do not fly. You just understand, taking off and then landing is not enough for the plane now. And even more so for a super-duper combat level. Much further, due to bugs in the software, the pilots lose consciousness when maneuvering (and there are not muslin girls).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit

Workers are citizens of Ukraine
High Strength Steel - German

Steel is Russian, workers are Russian, for Ukrainians as well as for Tajiks, the service sector (janitors), construction and construction of roads, and steel of their own, although the Germans are not bad.

[Campanella]

Peskov with Volodin piled, Matvienko helped Chubais supervised!)))

[fruit_cake]

we master the technology of the "scoop" which is vilified every day on TV and in films

[Svetlana]

You can’t master those technologies anymore, since there isn’t that machinery stock and those people. Master the creation of the same, or slightly adjusted parts, but in modern conditions and modern technologies.

[pipetro]

What not to master? You say so, as if it were technologies inherited from aliens in their language. Do you really think that all the designers from the USSR were kicked out and recruited birdies from culinary schools?

[Campanella]

You can’t even imagine how it all fits together and how much it takes to just repeat it. About new developments, this is generally a separate issue.
Propaganda rides your ears and so everything is so easy!

[Svetlana]

For those who cannot read, I repeat and highlight in bold: "Those technologies cannot be mastered anymore, there isn’t that machine park and those people"
Production technology, technological map (TC), is tied to equipment. And that equipment is not there .. it is different. Therefore, new technologies and TCs are created, and not the old ones are mastered.

[pipetro]

Any new machine must be able to do everything that its predecessor was able to (if appropriate). But, there was nothing so super breakthrough in machine tool building. Go through the production and look at the machine park, there almost everything is the same as it was 35 years ago

[Svetlana]

Stnock doesn't "owe" anything, but he can. But do not confuse the "skill" of the machine with the technology, with the technical process.

[pipetro]

I am not confusing anything. Those. process engineers write on the basis of the machines that they have available and their "skills". I thought that even people without engineering education understand such platitudes.

[Svetlana]

You have porridge in your head. Who is teeming with technological processes and based on what conditions and for what, is a completely different story. Separate the grain from the chaff.

[pipetro]

I have a feeling that you either do not know how to read or do not understand the Russian language

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Svetlana

You can’t master those technologies anymore, since there isn’t that machinery stock and those people.

Well, not for that the union was ruined by the guardians of democracy, so that you would leave the tegology, and especially the machine park (especially group A "), but the specialists simply left from old age, but did not make new ones. ", Chevalier Medal of the State Department" For obedience in the Cold War. "

[Svetlana]

Agree to all 100

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Svetlana

Agree to all 100

Not how to look at it differently, I personally can not imagine.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Very good news. Straight - balm for the soul. Especially against the backdrop of constitutional initiatives

[Sky strike fighter]

Why did the New Constitution not please you?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Cancellation of restrictions on presidential terms. There was still hope to tell Putin "We will miss you, and with joy" in 2024. Alas, he clearly wants to hold the presidency until his death.

[Romeo]

It’s not a fact that there will be another term in a row

[Campanella]

Do not wash, so ride! I can understand him, this power is such a killer drug, from it only on a gun carriage or as a result of real elections and to the extreme of the coup. So more than one generation Russia will be born and die under the current president of Russia.
It is hard to believe that Putin will grow cabbage.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Very good news. Straight - balm for the soul. Especially against the backdrop of constitutional initiatives

Life sometimes brings surprises.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Very good news. Straight - balm for the soul. Especially against the backdrop of constitutional initiatives

But out of 35, 11 think differently, so who are they?

[Prjanik]

There is no silver lining. This is me about sanctions and import substitution.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Prjanik

There is no silver lining. This is me about sanctions and import substitution.

Under Stalin, it was necessary by any means and means to acquire foreign technologies and reproduce them at home, there is nothing shameful here, but they met the war with their tanks, planes, as well as the modern artillery systems and small arms themselves. They won the war with their weapons and their people both on the battlefields and in the rear. Glory to our grandfathers, fathers and mothers.

[Campanella]

There is no good, but a desire to maintain power, influence and loot.
Putin and Medvedev were easily stolen Russian Civil Aviation at the beginning of 2000. Then, when it became clear that the West might not sell or serve the planes, they began to compose their own ... But somehow it didn’t work out for them. They do not know how to build and do, but to cut and take away ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Campanella

Russian Civil Aviation Putin with Medvedev early 2000 easily buried

Lying is not good:

[Campanella]

And where is the hype?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Campanella

Russian Civil Aviation Putin and Medvedev at the beginning of 2000 were easily stolen.

Kill, let's just start with EBN
By 1990, our Civil Aviation had 16 thousand aircraft. Of these, not a single Western one, ”said the expert. - We were the first in the world to fly on supersonic passenger aircraft. Our aircraft manufacturers annually produced several types of new aircraft, which were delivered to 40 countries. By 1990, we transported 140 million passengers each year, the Americans - about 200 million, since they have a larger population. Last year, we transported 2019 million. That is, over the past 128 years we have not even managed to reach the level of 30. And the Americans transported 1990 million people last year. China, which was far from us in 850, transported 1990 million passengers last year. Oleg Smirnov recalled that in 600 our country became a member of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), which today consists of 1970 countries. At the accession ceremony, the head of ICAO then noted: “Of course, we unanimously voted for the USSR to join ICAO because it has 120% of the world's traffic.”
“Today,” said Oleg Smirnov, “we carry 1% of passenger traffic.” That's what we were and what we became.

[Campanella]

It is clear that with Gorbachev. But Gorbachev is not the father and not the favorite of the peoples of Russia, But Putin is the tsar’s rehabilitator, but apart from the wealthy capitalists, it’s not very clear what he restored. A .. to the gardener's salary of a million ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: tihonmarine

By 1990, we transported 140 million passengers each year, the Americans - about 200 million, since they have a larger population.

Analysts ... Analyzes ...
In 1990, the United States lived 249 million people.
According to the census, the current population of the USSR as of January 12, 1989 was 286,7 million people.
In the USSR, the main passenger traffic was by road and rail.

[sagitch]

Our generation will leave, IT specialists will come, all as one thinking that taking food from the refrigerator. and when everything created by previous generations begins to break, how can they reproduce all this? In about 30 years they will begin to return to the Stone Age.

[mvg]

IT specialists will come, all as one thinking that taking food from the refrigerator

Imagine, there are IT people who build houses that are better than you, poking around in the engine, boiling with an electrode, and working with electric and gas powered tools. And a shovel, but this, apparently, is familiar to you.

[Campanella]

Well, when IT people build houses, this is according to Krylov.
"The trouble is, since the pies will start the cobbler oven,
And boots stitch pastry:
And it will not work well,
Yes, and noted a hundredfold "

And when ignorant people begin to talk about things that are distant to them, and with the appearance of experts, it becomes sad, from the level of degradation of society.
...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Campanella

Well, when IT people build houses, this is according to Krylov.

I will answer you, I, too, according to Krylov, all the fables for me, as if in our 2020. Although he wrote them 200 years ago, but life has remained the same as now, he is for me both great-grandfather and an example. and I will quote his great words about the donkey
And I will say, not to intervene for the Donkey;
He is definitely to blame (a calculation has been made with him),
But it seems wrong
Who instructed the donkey to guard his garden.
Well, maybe Krylov is wrong here, but two centuries have passed, and he is right, and I want to say this fable for our forgotten generation of I. Krylov's fable.

[Campanella]

Krylov is right, just a person does not change. And Putin, alas, is not the messiah, but an ordinary average person. He is an outstanding functionary, but when you listen to Volodin, for some reason this chatterbox seems to be a storehouse of the highest human thought. But time has shown that this is not so.
The generation of today cannot hear anything in the noise of the stomp of the feet of people running for goods. They don’t have time to stop and think, in front of their faces they have carrots and a lot of everyday problems.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Campanella

But when you listen to Volodin, for some reason this chatterbox seems to be a storehouse of the highest human thought. But time has shown that this is not so.

Well, here is our Ivan Krylov, he said that he saw what would happen in 2020. Al I'm wrong that I "pulled" Krylov's thought.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Campanella

Krylov is right, just a person does not change. And Putin, alas, is not the messiah, but an ordinary average person.

But after Yeltsin and Gorbachev, he is a capitalist, but he is a fan of Russia.

[Campanella]

I don’t know how he roots for her, except in words.
Merged all social, education, science, industry. In words, everything is smooth, but on business ... Yes, he strengthened the power unit, but this is primarily personal security.

[mvg]

IT specialists build houses, this is according to Krylov

Do you want to argue for any kind? From foundation to heating? Maybe on electrics or plumbing? Or how to make a pot?
My friend calculated the pile foundation himself, welded the piles, cast the blocks, and built a 2-storey house using his own forces and his father. Made repairs in the apartment, also new. God grant to everyone. Not a millionaire, father is a welder, he is an IT specialist.
I also made a modest house pile, garage, gazebo. There are a couple of such acquaintances, all with hands and, most importantly, with their heads.
PS: The last thing I did was warm water floors from an electric boiler and solid fuel. They work.

[Nikolay73]

There are, you and two more ... but as for me - everyone should do their own business.

[Campanella]

That's for sure, especially at the current science school.
Here ads are being played, I admire the complete finality of the ad creator. So his inventor repeats like a mantra "I must improve, do better ..." Ira is an inventor.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: sagitch

Our generation will leave, IT specialists will come, all as one thinking that taking food from the refrigerator

These are not even "IT specialists", they are thinking people, but "top managers", journalists and "economists" and their sons and sons-in-law, who are now higher than a general designer, a designer receiving a beggarly salary (see the top manager's salary), this is a scourge for the country ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit

Casting, milling, threaded connections, pressing

Filling is not enough.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit

Here is such a detail could reproduce after 35 years

You forgot to connect a turbine to this pump, so that "in total" you get the turbopump installation in question.

[Mavrikiy]

The turbine is a snail with a cartridge (blades on needle bearings)

. You can use a turbine of sow ...... How were the German Democratic Republic crushed? There were people like people who knew the technique and thought before trying.
Papuan, explain what plunger pump different from one of the foundations of aircraft engine turbopump installation of an airplane engine, that work, often ungrateful. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/M-1_rocket_turbopump.JPG

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Mavrikiy

How was the German Democratic Republic crushed?

You do not look at the profile picture. He has nothing to do with the Germans.
Maybe it's a banned McDonnell Douglas. March 6, 2020 banned, March 11, 2020 new registration. Chases a blizzard.

[Mavrikiy]

Thanks for the help. And then I thought, the repatriate degraded in free air.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Thanks for the help. And then I thought, the repatriate degraded in free air.

There is no silver lining. In response to his foolishness, the comrades elaborated on the topic.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit

The turbine is a snail with a cartridge (blades on needle bearings).
Sorry to interfere with your high-tech breakthrough in the aircraft industry.

Well, of course, how simple it is. You will probably be able to cut it with a jigsaw on your knee.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit

The whole world produces such products in hundreds of thousands!

Oh the wisest of the wisest, I already advised you to use your pumps and turbines for their intended purpose, is there really no place in your pants?

Of course, if you have software and CNC machines, making piece copies is not difficult.

We do not have them. Save, come a couple.

After all, we do AURUS almost on the knee ...

Yes, stupid Americans always rushed and did everything on their knees.

[Lozovik]

Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit

The turbine is a snail with a cartridge (blades on needle bearings).

Turbine TNU axial. The step is a monowheel made of heat-resistant titanium alloy VT20L.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit

The turbine is a snail with a cartridge (blades on needle bearings).
I'm sorry to interfere with your high-tech breakthrough in the aircraft industry.

So what ? Do you have a former "Russian" with such love for Germany? Are you so happy that Germany has sheltered you as a slave, and you are singing Differambe to her? ”And when you sang Komsomol songs with a guitar, did you forget?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Piramidon

You forgot to attach a turbine to this pump,

Sorry, this is far from it.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit

but I think the principle will be clear.

Think better.

[Rushnairfors]

Well, actually it wasn’t about the pump but the ТНУ - a turbopump installation, and that’s a little different, Piramidon already answered above, the pump is only an integral part of the ТНУ, but in general it includes a turbine, the rotation of which is carried out from air taken from the APU, (on Tu22m3 I’m sure and on Tu160 as well), the turbine drives the pump, the TNU itself is needed for ground checks, when the dvigla are turned off and, accordingly, there is no pressure in the G / S, then the APU starts and on. TNU - there is pressure in the hydraulic system, you can drive control, heat, mechanization. In addition, the TNU is used in flight in the event of a failure of the engine (s) or a failure in any hydraulic system (and there are as many as 160 if I remember correctly) in order to support hydropower and eliminate pressure drops during intensive rudder transfers or exhaust (cleaning) mechanization. So, as you can see, TNU is not just a pump, but a complex of units, and obviously not the level of vocational schools

[DVR]

Calling a rather complex unit a "detail" - apparently you are very versed in mechanical engineering. At the same time, the unit was produced in small series (maybe piece by piece) 35 years ago by a country that was much stronger (at that time) in terms of science, production, resources, etc. As already mentioned below, this "part" consists of an air drive, a hydraulic pump, a gearbox, a control system, i.e. from hundreds of other parts, many of which are unique and intended only for this unit. I think I will not be mistaken if I say that there are not so many countries capable of organizing such production (even in such juices as ours).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit

Specifically, this plunger pump from the Su-27, but I think the principle will be clear.
Casting, milling, threaded connections, press fitting - all at the level of the second year of vocational schools.

If you are special, then I support, if not, then just a fake.

[Radical]

After 35 years, the country resumes production of turbopump plants for the Tu-160

Yes, you sho? Oh-oh-oh, tse yes-ah, tse such a peremog, sho you just can't breathe! It took 35 years for "d-effective" managers of all levels to understand the need to manufacture these installations for the aircraft!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Radikal

Yes, you sho?

И For the sake of why so much Feces?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Radikal

What are you doing? Oh-oh, tse da-ah-ah, tse is such a peremoga, you just can’t breathe!

I just disgust a Russian person to see these words on a Russian site. "Peacemaker" is your site.

[lopvlad]

One of the wisest decisions was the resumption of production of TU-160 on a new material base, in spite of the exclamations "Why resume the production of this junk, PAK YES will tear everyone up"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: lopvlad

One of the wisest decisions was the resumption of production of the TU-160

Although I am in aviation "a goat in orange peels" but this is a wonderful "Fighting bird". Or maybe there are many of these in the world, I ask the ignorant to answer?

[podval57]

TNUK works from the marching engine NK-32 or from the auxiliary power unit TA-12A. Air is supplied to the system under pressure, which spins the product’s turbine, then torque is transmitted to the gearbox, which rotates the plunger pump, which creates a pressure in the aircraft’s hydraulic system up to 290 kg / cm².

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Weepers, a program that does not work? Oh well....

Yes, there, without all the prowlers, there are enough of their freak traitors:

"Strategic bribes"

"Kommersant" became aware of the corruption scandal in long-range aviation aerospace forces of Russia. One of the senior officers, as the investigation established, arranged requisitions for the delivery of tactical offsets by crew members of strategic bombers. initially the court found him guilty of 51 episodes of corruption, but then he reduced the number of victims, so instead of a colony, the officer got off with a relatively small fine. "
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4283930

Recently, there has been a lot of news about bribe-taking generals, colonels stumbling over bags with yards of rubles.
The liberals will say that the organs work, good disclosure, etc., and they will be somewhat right.
Adherents of the Kiselev / Solovyov sodomite sect will doubt the number of generals put under arrest and will scream that there are many more of them (bribe takers).

Thinking people will make the only true conclusion — even if some of the news about the bribe-takers is true — the reality is very different from the illusions that the filthy propagandists of the liberal and pro-government sense are feeding us.

[bars1]

You have mixed up: Solovyov / Kiselyov's agents will say that the organs are working, good detection, etc. Only this morning I heard from Solovyov: that yes there is corruption to Zakharchenko, Reimers, etc. evil spirits, but the authorities reveal them and punish them, though not without problems.
But the liberals, yes, they do not take away the whining.

[vik669]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

You can end this conversation.

It is better to keep quiet and seem like a fool than to open your mouth and finally dispel doubts.

[behappy]

Bleyer, how exactly are these turbopumps needed for the development of the country. If in other countries they release what they can earn money on, and accordingly it responds in the economy. then here it was and remains - we are doing something that will not help anyone, except for the reproduction of mammoths for the sake of mammoths. And if it were still development, otherwise it would be a repetition of the achievements of 40 years ago. Kapets, achievement!
a paradox against the background of the big f in the economy .. yes, in everything this letter F is visible ..

[Fikys]

Quote: behappy

how exactly are these turbopumps needed for the development of the country

Really needed. Like the TU160M in general, and other weapons. Otherwise, there will simply be nothing to develop. How an adult can not understand this, I do not know.

Quote: behappy

yes, in all this letter F is visible ..

Considering your comment as "everyone" is a diagnosis :))

[Alexander X]

Well, again, they are dissatisfied. They started the production of the next unit themselves, revived the technology, which means the machinery stock and there are specialists and order and financing. And that means we will be able to produce similar units in the future. And this means that there are jobs and a salary ... And this is very good!

[Campanella]

That doesn’t mean anything yet. These are words and letters.

[Vadim Zhivov]

It is useless to convince you of something ... In the GBV I met Germans who thought differently and were more progressive (30735)

[Vitaly161]

you don’t know how to think, sadly .... for reference. the production of Swans has been restored, and the entire existing park is being modernized in parallel, well, you need to put a plus in the warehouse, what would happen in case of something, so there will be other numbers there)

[Campanella]

Soon we will rejoice at a separate scapula in the engine! KamAZ can no longer produce automobiles without China, and we will a little and finally join the world division of labor.

[Pacifist with AK]

Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit

Here is such a detail could reproduce after 35 years, as stated in the news.
Specifically, this plunger pump from the Su-27, but I think the principle will be clear.
Casting, milling, threaded connections, press fitting - all at the level of the second year of vocational schools.

Yes, the greatness of the gloomy Teutonic genius at the level of Fachschule! Onkel lernen)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Honest Citizen]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Campanella

Russian Civil Aviation Putin with Medvedev early 2000 easily buried

Lying is not good:

Well, yes .. if we built zero, and then 2 planes - an increase of 200%, no bazaar

[agoran]

Something zhurnalyugi again beguiled.
NP109 is even a plunger pump by marking.
Turbopump is like that. Well, it was on the MiG-23 when the failure of the g / s-we put forward a fan into the stream and set in motion a hydraulic actuator.
Well, "turbopump installations" are interesting.
Maybe it's about the air conditioning system? about turbo refrigerators?

[Sarcasm]

Essentially, it is about restoring what has been lost since the collapse of the USSR. You can jerk a pier they say junk, etc., you can walk with a banner of patriot cheers, but certainly an important step. First, otherwise it is not necessary to produce new Tu-160Ms, but they are needed, PAK YES is not one more five-year plan. Secondly, on the Soviet legacy, call at least junk, you can teach and prepare new personnel.
There are few specialists, the country is heading for a situation where it will soon be time to open labor schools, in general, and in such circumstances, even more so, it is impossible to create a new one from scratch, continuity is needed, so the thing is necessary.
Tu-160 will serve more than one decade.

[Campanella]

In about 35 years, some more crap from the old Soviet development will be restored. And once again, the presidential election will be reset.
I have only one question, and these good gentlemen do not want to reset their unjustly acquired fortunes? To give our palaces under the houses of Pioneers, since we are a social state. Share your indecent income with the people?
And the president could swim in the public pool, we would give him time.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Finches

I have suffered so much with Yeltsin's democracy in the 90s that let it be long - Bolivar (Russia) will not survive the second "reformer"! I would, if I had a magic wand, return the time of Brezhnev, but with Stalin's manners, I really want to see Chubais on the rack ...

And who is stopping you from using your magic wand not for the resurrection of Stalin-Brezhnev, but for turning those very ones into hyenas? Or in cockroaches.

[Incvizitor]

In this segment, there is still nothing better in the world.

[prior]

Finally, Russia has approached the USSR in the production of galoshes.

[Dedok]

When they write that they have resumed, one wants to ask - what did they renew and how?
Technology - no, reviving what was - is unprofitable.
Several samples were made using a bypass technology - it was not "renewed"!
As my father said - "done on the knee" for the sake of the report for the next date ...