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“If you need Russian, get into your Russia!”

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The desire to present their thoughts on language policy in Ukraine and in general the whole situation that has developed over the past 20 years around this issue appeared a few months ago, during the hot battles in our Council. Then I, like any Russian identity person, could not be aloof from the ongoing processes around this particular subject, entered into heated discussions. The fact that the Russian language is in fact being ousted from all spheres of life in public life in Ukraine is not a secret to anyone. Here are instructions for drugs, and the number of Russian schools in cities such as Kiev and my native Chernigov, where there is only one Russian school from 35.

“If you need Russian, get into your Russia!”


Sometimes repression takes place by far not the most gentle methods, often by forcibly imposing Ukrainian, even, it would seem, the holy of holies for any Russian person — Sevastopol. . It all started when I saw the phrase “Eurovision”: “Guys, did you see what was going on in our parliament this week?”. To be honest, I was in full confidence that, at least in my company regarding myself, I would not hear: “SUITCASE-STATION-RUSSIA”. Oh, how deep I was wrong. Immediately, I would like to make a reservation that all the “discussions” (I put quotes, because it can even be called a dialogue with great exaggeration) were held exclusively in Russian and in many cases with people wearing ethnically Russian surnames. Everything developed around the draft law adopted by Kolesnichenko-Kivalov in the first reading, two “fighters” for the rights of the humiliated. From experience, I will say that any such conversation boils down to any selfish interest - either I’m a German-certified translator, I’ll take some of my work, or that the documentation will be in two languages, which will increase the cost of the budget, ect. However, at the same time, exactly how the work will be taken away remains a mystery to me. About budget money in general, Hochma is the whole country with crosses and monuments to the victims of the famine 1932-33. forced and wondered no one, that this lot of money goes. But in the Russian language - no, no.

This time something happened that I could not have expected. The best friend's girlfriend, who largely identifies herself with the Russian, but at the same time is to a certain extent a patriot of the Ukraine, ended her speech with the phrase “If you need Russian, put it in your Russia!” You understand how schizophrenia has reached the people ? People sit with Russian surnames, communicate in Russian, and one says “Suitcase-Station-Russia” to another. I have a brain discord at such moments! There are still interesting options, in principle, too, in my opinion, easily diagnosed. Communicating with people, one can hear phrases in the spirit: “I grew up in a Russian-speaking family, I studied in a Russian-language school, and in general I have Russian roots, but I believe that in the state of Ukraine there should be one state language - UKRAINIAN”. In general, as for me, the clinic is full, which smacks of fascism. Based on this logic, Australia should have Australian language, Zimbabwe language Zimbabwe, Monaco Monaco, etc.

But what is most interesting in this situation is that the adopted bill lowers the status of Russian from the language of international communication, equating it to regional, and at the same time either 15 or other regional languages ​​that Ukraine uses from the strength of 16% of the population . Can you imagine to what extent the hypocrisy reached both the power and the so-called opposition, when some, actually lowering the status of the language, report on the protection of the rights of Russian speakers, others instead of celebrating victory yell about the danger to the “socialist fatherland”. Truly speak about our state as a state of absurdity!
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 26 July 2012 06: 38
    +13
    Two weeks were in Odessa - everyone speaks Russian.
    1. von_Richten
      von_Richten 26 July 2012 07: 04
      +10
      So this is Odessa wink
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 26 July 2012 10: 46
        +3
        City of Russian sailors !!! drinks
        1. viruskvartirus
          viruskvartirus 26 July 2012 16: 14
          +4
          I will surprise you, they speak Russian not only in Odessa ... but for example in Chernihiv))) Kiev, not to mention Kharkov, Donetsk, Zaporozhye ...))
          1. Alexander Petrovich
            Alexander Petrovich 26 July 2012 22: 50
            +1
            I love Ukraine, I love the Ukrainian language, but that Ukraine, which I see now. not what I imagined. When, then. you are people. will you become kinder? Scha on our Patriarch one moron attacked, well, is she Ukrainian ??? No no and one more time no. Brothers. I wish you a speedy liberation from the influence of Western liars, and next, unification in a new union. And we, Moldavians. while we are fighting here, for our people and our language and for our Motherland.
            1. lotus04
              lotus04 27 July 2012 04: 17
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Petrovich
              Scha on our Patriarch one moron attacked, well, is she Ukrainian ??


              Who pays, that "girl" and dances! And who pays? Yes, the one who and the "swamp". Or what, are they there for their "blood" defend the "mind, honor and conscience" of the era?
            2. edge
              edge 27 July 2012 04: 41
              0
              and moreover, here is the influence. Who wants to be deceived, that will be ........ He only has the idea to throw.
    2. KOMOd Shpakov
      KOMOd Shpakov 26 July 2012 07: 41
      +57
      Banderlog already get here. They sit on Russian-speaking Odessa sites and insert their orange snouts, shouting their moronic slogans. I will say more: they already walk in droves in the streets with Nazi paraphernalia, and the authorities either do not react in any way or make timid attempts to verbally ban something. And this is in the original Russian city of Odessa? Walking with a child along the street, I came across such a guy who, with indignation, remarked to me why I speak English with a child, and not in a mov. I didn’t catch up with this c.k., because I’m running fast bastard, while I asked my familiar aunt to look after the child, this bastard ran far away, seeing my expression. So, they already indicate what language we speak with our children. Burn scum orange flame!
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 26 July 2012 08: 11
        +12
        Chest Shpakov,
        Here is a case that happened in Odessa. The guy was fired from the traffic police, and this provocateur was sitting in the car and filming the whole conversation.
        1. yurasumy
          yurasumy 26 July 2012 14: 13
          +5
          This case has a narrower beard. year as happened. In this case, the so-called. "Road control", the purpose of which is to fight the arbitrariness of the traffic police on the roads. Specifically, this boorish traffic police was hooked on the tongue. Others cling to something else, etc. Specifically, the guy who provoked the traffic police, then the gaytsy pressed. I was deprived of my rights for some trifle. In general, the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians do not care about this law and this topic. Precisely on the drum, and do not let Russian introduce or ban. Politicians before the elections are always worried about this topic, but this time both of them screwed up (Except for the media, which sit with the parties on the ZP, the people really P ... Y. Moreover, in the East, in the West. So-called mass speeches in defense of the language gather even in Lviv several hundred people, who are mostly deputies of local councils and their presence is like going to work). And in general, stop publishing any blizzard on this site. Honestly, the impression is that the inhabitants of Russia bother on this topic much more than the inhabitants of Ukraine. For example, in my city (Sumy) at the household level for all this time I have never heard a conversation on this topic. Well, people don't give a damn about all this and the DOT.
          1. Evgeny B.
            Evgeny B. 26 July 2012 15: 00
            +6
            Tell a lie. Or you have such a "drum" environment, and you project it onto everyone. The article absolutely correctly outlined the state of affairs in Ukraine. Moreover, in Odessa, and in Chernivtsi, and in Sevastopol, this is exactly the case. The article was written by a person who is not indifferent to the situation. I can also add that my relative, a regional deputy, also believes that in Ukraine there should be only the Ukrainian language, that the fuss over the law on languages ​​is just a political game. So you and I were pretty dodged.
            1. edge
              edge 27 July 2012 04: 50
              +1
              ..... what can I say, bargaining began on the souls. It really looks like the origin of fascism in Germany, but the only difference is that the Germans did it thoughtfully, creating the conditions for the return of the Volksdeutsche, and these get rid of the population, freeing up territory for someone. The guys sold you several generations in advance. Their slime dishes, over the course of several decades, did what neither Turks, Psheks, nor Tatars managed to do over the centuries.
        2. The Armed Forces
          The Armed Forces 27 July 2012 14: 08
          +1
          Odessa,
          It was still necessary to plant.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 July 2012 08: 45
        +10
        And they didn’t try to properly fix their brains themselves, a couple of good kicks and I give 100% any Bandera will start swearing in Russian.
        1. dmitrijbyko
          dmitrijbyko 26 July 2012 08: 58
          +8
          Even as it starts. Yes with such: am
      3. DEMENTIY
        DEMENTIY 26 July 2012 14: 10
        +10
        COMOD Shpakov (1)
        I didn’t catch this c.k.

        Alexander has not seen such a pleasant comment for a long time. My respect with a plus.
    3. GG2012
      GG2012 26 July 2012 08: 52
      +12
      "... I won't tell you about all of Odessa ...", but in Odessa even sparrows chirp in Russian Yiddish. A unique dialect in the style of "Gotsman" from "Liquidation".
      Just come ... and immediately I want to talk.
      1. Sardanapalus
        Sardanapalus 26 July 2012 12: 13
        +9
        Most likely this nonsense with veal mob will end with the separation of Odessa from Ukraine!
        1. Orey
          Orey 26 July 2012 16: 37
          -9
          Quote: Sardanapalus
          Most likely this nonsense with veal mob will end with the separation of Odessa from Ukraine!

          Such as your disrespect for foreign languages, you will end with the separation from the Russian Federation of all non-Russian republics ...
          1. Cat_
            Cat_ 26 July 2012 18: 10
            +1
            Don’t worry about it. History just showed the opposite.
            1. Orey
              Orey 27 July 2012 12: 20
              -1
              Quote: Cat_
              Don’t worry about it. History just showed the opposite.

              What story? THE USSR? Russian empire? British? Austro-Hungarian? ...
    4. ughhh
      ughhh 26 July 2012 15: 09
      +5
      Patriots of Ukraine, Belarus, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, etc. will gather like a thread
      and...
      will not understand each other ...
  2. alexng
    alexng 26 July 2012 06: 39
    +3
    That's right - the theater of the absurd and hypocrisy.
  3. Evgen2509
    Evgen2509 26 July 2012 06: 40
    +7
    “If you need Russian, get into your Russia!”

    If you don’t need Russian - go ... go to hell)))
    Seriously, it's time to raise the issue at the state level.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 26 July 2012 11: 33
      +10
      Quote: Evgen2509
      If you don’t need Russian - go ... go to hell)))

      Brothers, this is what I want to say. The fact that by creeping methods they are replacing Russian is already noticeable with the “naked eye.” But what is being planted instead of Russian is not Ukrainian. In Soviet times, a lot of books were published in Ukrainian. read in Russian, read in Ukrainian. I know the language well. But what is now being imposed instead of the Russian language is not Ukrainian by definition. The mass of "Galicisms", Bandera accent, Galician turnovers, "gekanye". All this does not even come close to Kobzar's language. The real Ukrainian language is also being destroyed, "Europeanizing" it. But nobody from the "patriotic" even wants to hear that in the USSR 15 times more books were published in Ukrainian than now.
  4. ymNIK1970
    ymNIK1970 26 July 2012 06: 44
    +11
    What can I say, Maxim, my cousin's sister sometimes explodes on the basis of language. They say elections, rating, political prostitutes and so on. There is no type of work, there is nothing to eat, but THEY are here with "their" language. And in general there is no problem, we speak Russian! And for a moment she was born and raised in the glorious city of Kaliningrad, the daughter of a Russian sea captain, the sister of an officer of the Baltic Fleet, these are the pies. And now he lives in Novorossiya, in a hero city ... well, you know what kind. 20 years of devastation, lack of a vector of development and Nazi propaganda are shaking people's souls.
    1. esaul
      esaul 26 July 2012 07: 24
      +5
      Quote: ymNIK1970
      20 years of devastation, the lack of a vector of development and Nazi propaganda shake the souls of people.

      Greetings, colleague. It is amazing how easy it all happened ...
      1. ole
        ole 26 July 2012 12: 29
        +1
        Quote: esaul
        It is amazing how easy it all happened ...

        Amaze even more when native Ukraine starts a military conflict with Russia.
        1. Cat_
          Cat_ 26 July 2012 21: 30
          -1
          Then she (Ukraine) will definitely lose its territorial integrity
        2. edge
          edge 27 July 2012 04: 56
          +1
          and this will be the best decision on their part, then we will exercise the right of the winner, everything will return to square one, their own will be cut by the most frantic screamers .....
  5. Mr.Advokat
    Mr.Advokat 26 July 2012 06: 50
    0
    When voting on the issue of the Russian language, a vivid example of how politics is done was demonstrated. And such methods are not only in Ukraine - this is the case everywhere. Ukrainian politicians did everything just clumsy, they weren’t enough for great flexibility and subtlety. Interestingly, there are private schools in Russian? If everyone is so excited about Russian speakers, open such schools. But they can only be hysterical about it - it’s better to get involved in real business.
  6. sergo0000
    sergo0000 26 July 2012 07: 18
    +5
    Quote: Mr.Advokat
    they can only be hysterical about it - it’s better to get involved in real business.

    So this is parliamentary work! Out of nothing, inflate the scandal and raise your rating before the elections! And what else can you do in Ukraine?
    1. NUT
      NUT 26 July 2012 12: 03
      -1
      Quote: sergo0000
      So this is parliamentary work! Out of nothing, inflate the scandal and raise your rating before the election!
      And if the "Party of Regions" has a majority in the Ukrainian / parliament, then they can easily rename "Russian" into "Ukrainian" and no problem.
      After all, the n / n "Pushkino" suddenly became "Pushkin", and the "Blue Bay" easily turned into "Blokitnu Zatoka" ...
  7. Dmitry Desnyansky
    Dmitry Desnyansky 26 July 2012 07: 30
    +8
    In 1996, when I graduated from school in Chernigov there were only a few Ukrainian schools, and now everything is the opposite. The most ridiculous thing is that children speak Russian, and can only write in Ukrainian. This is a very big problem. Bomb laid.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 26 July 2012 09: 35
      +6
      Quote: Dmitry Desnyansky
      The most ridiculous thing is that the children speak Russian, and they can only write in Ukrainian.

      I just want to add that, as a result, both Ukrainian and Russian are poorly known, this is generally a problem of bilingualism in the case of etymologically similar languages ​​all over the world. I have great respect for the right to use the Ukrainian language by its native speakers, and even for the conduct of communication and office work in it in state institutions (well, since I called myself a load, get into the back). But when (very rarely) the conversation comes down to "Suitcase-Station-Russia", one has to remind about the historical borders of Ukraine and those who established the current ones. In response, usually, hysterics and salivation, so follow, and here on the forum the same will happen ...
      1. biglow
        biglow 26 July 2012 18: 05
        +2
        we teach children Russian separately, They hired teachers of 50 hryvnias to take off and teach, the kids feel fierce hatred of the Ukrainian language and campaign and the state. Because they see that our cultural tradition is somewhat different
  8. gor
    gor 26 July 2012 07: 36
    -24
    often through the forcible imposition of Ukrainian, even, it would seem, in the holy of holies for any Russian person - Sevastopol. But this phrase has already been used as a mare. How can the state language be imposed? The state language must be known if you are a citizen of this country. And who I want to bark at once I can say it. This phrase sounds something like this. The Tatar language is imposed ........... that with regards to Tatarstan and the Tatars want to speak their own language. That's all. And no one forbids anyone to speak the language in which he wants.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 26 July 2012 07: 41
      +1
      Somewhere you are right.

      Quote: gor
      You need to know the state language if you are a citizen of this country.
    2. sapulid
      sapulid 26 July 2012 10: 31
      +4
      gor

      "You need to know the state language if you are a citizen of this country."

      And who is talking about the fact that the ONLY LANGUAGE of Ukraine is Ukrainian? What is the state status of the language? This is the language chosen in the manner prescribed by law and enshrined in legal norms in which the activities of state. organs.
      In unitary states, with the exclusive predominance of one nation, the question of language, as a rule, is not raised.
      However, in the presence of many other nationalities, representatives of which have a compact majority living in certain regions, their language becomes Regional.
      In the presence of HALF of the population speaking the same language and considering it to be their native, it becomes the State.
      1. amoR
        amoR 26 July 2012 10: 37
        0
        The state language becomes when its status is confirmed constitutionally. So? And not because half the country speaks it. Probably, it will be more correct. The constitutional status of the Russian language does not change. A certain part of the population spoke Russian behind the scenes, but it was not state. Now in some parts of the country he will be given the status of regional, but, again, not state. What has changed or will change? What is fuss?
        1. sapulid
          sapulid 26 July 2012 13: 10
          +3
          Can you read in Russian? You can google what is "legal norm".
          I didn’t finish it, because the son woke up that in the presence of HALF POPULATION of a country that considers any language as his native language, refusal to use it as a state would be elementary genocide. Sorry, but how can you explain to the other half why their language is not worthy? The name of the country? If the name becomes obsolete, it is changed. Nationalism? With this, fascism began. With the acquisition of a false sense of superiority over one another.

          There are peoples, due to historical conditions, constantly under the protectorate of the stronger, therefore, hating them, but unable to live without it. The Baltic states clearly demonstrate this. "Free" Natsiks plundered the Soviet, starved and became under the yoke of the European Union. And, there, unlike the "Sovkov Occupants", there is no freebie. If you want money, be a slave and crawl on your knees. Nobody will allow the Balts to restore production.

          Ukraine is self-sufficient. A language that is not dying out. Noise, just because of the neo-fascists, thanks to the "orange Nazi bastard son of a policeman who loved real coffee in Nazi captivity" !!!
          1. amoR
            amoR 26 July 2012 13: 23
            +1
            I repent, I did not realize that your child woke up and you did not finish. From now on I will be more attentive. Yes, and I am not banned by search engines.

            I respond to what I read in your comment, and not to what you wanted, but did not have time to write. Yes, I do not argue with the situation of languages. But his status is confirmed in every country by law !!! Have you ever been banned from Google?

            And in this situation we have: Russian in Ukraine was not state and did not become one after the adoption of this law. It can only become regional. So it is written in letters. I didn’t write. Therefore, I say: the whole discussion is just zilch.
    3. biglow
      biglow 26 July 2012 18: 12
      +1
      gor,
      with the Ukrainian language, in contrast to the state languages, the situation is different, because Ukrainian is a rural dialect, a simplified dialect or a Govar. Without state support, this dialect cannot develop and it cannot become a full-fledged state language. There are excellent pre-revolutionary studies of dialects and dialects of the Russian language , read learn a lot. Before the revolution of 1917, scientists were not dumber than us
  9. tan0472
    tan0472 26 July 2012 07: 40
    +6
    The author writes:
    “When communicating with people, you have to hear phrases like:“ I grew up in a Russian-speaking family, studied in a Russian-speaking school, and in general I have Russian roots, but I think that the state of Ukraine should have one state language - UKRAINIAN ”. In general, as for me, this is a complete clinic, which smacks of fascism.
    This is not a clinic. These are the consequences of independence and systematic work to separate the Russians from the Russians.
  10. Chuck-norris
    Chuck-norris 26 July 2012 07: 56
    +8
    I went to the Crimea last summer, Ukrainian never heard ...
    1. M. Peter
      M. Peter 26 July 2012 14: 02
      +2
      One, two generations and the situation will change to the opposite.
      Or a real break will begin.
      1. biglow
        biglow 26 July 2012 18: 23
        +1
        M. Peter,
        in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine this situation will not change, a primitive rural dialect will never be able to replace the Russian language. In Ukrainian, even with all its support for books and newspapers, it is published many times less than in Russian, not to mention special literature. There is no chance for the dialect
  11. dmitrijbyko
    dmitrijbyko 26 July 2012 08: 20
    +5
    Quote: tan0472
    “I grew up in a Russian-speaking family, I studied at a Russian-language school, and in general I have Russian roots, but I think that in the state of Ukraine there should be one state language - UKRAINIAN”
    This is the result of hysteria on TV and radio in Ukraine. Everyone is shouting about the imposition of the Russian language as a second state language. But there is nothing about this in the draft law. The population (layman) hears only what they say to them from the screen of the "box", but have not read the project itself. Nobody encroaches on the Ukrainian language as the state language. There is no question of "bilingualism". Nobody imposes the Russian language. To the authors of the project: publish the project, let everyone read it! I grew up in a Russian-speaking family, studied at a Russian school, my roots are Ukrainian-Mordovian, and I have two native language: Russian and Ukrainian. The state language should be one, common to all, and all citizens of the country must know it, and all those who identify with the non-titular nation (Russians, Crimean Tatars, Karaites, etc.) have the right to communicate in their second mother tongue and study it
    1. Odessa
      Odessa 26 July 2012 08: 33
      +7
      dmitrijbyko,
      The state language should be one, common to all, and all citizens of the country must know it, and all those who identify with the non-titular nation (Russians, Crimean Tatars, Karaites, etc.) have the right to communicate in their second mother tongue and study it

      In the south of Ukraine, few people speak Ukrainian, but everyone knows it, as it is taught in schools. And in Russian schools, it was taught as a mother tongue.
      And here are two official languages, Hebrew and Arabic.
      And in Morocco, two state languages, it is Arabic and Berber, and since Morocco was under the French mandate, it is French and Spanish, but not official languages. And they live without problems.
      1. dmitrijbyko
        dmitrijbyko 26 July 2012 08: 45
        +5
        So am I about it wink
        1. Shulz-1955
          Shulz-1955 26 July 2012 12: 15
          +1
          Yes, it’s not the language, but the politicians
    2. M. Peter
      M. Peter 26 July 2012 14: 15
      +4
      Quote: dmitrijbyko
      I grew up in a Russian-speaking family, unlearned in a Russian school, my roots are Ukrainian-Mordovian, and I have two native languages: Russian and Ukrainian. The state language should be one, common to all, and all citizens of the country must know it, and all those who identify with the non-titular nation (Russians, Crimean Tatars, Karaites, etc.) have the right to communicate in their second mother tongue and study it

      The problem is. What if we make the two official languages ​​official, then the Ukrainian city will die. That's why such a crazy situation turns out.
      After all, many write that he has been, I live, talked, etc. and everything is in Russian. And if you also fix it, then everything, you can forget about the Ukrainian, it just leaves as unnecessary.
      I do not Svidomo, I just think that will be so.
      And this problem cannot be solved at the root. Because there is no Ukrainian language and there never was. The USSR had its own reasons for the creation of Ukraine. There were no Ukrainians in tsarist Russia. By the way, the user who wrote above noticed that the current "Ukrainian" language is not at all similar to the one that was under the USSR, and that one is not at all similar to what they said under the tsar. That is, the authorities understand that if they do not change, that is, do not polish the MOV, it will be clear with an unarmed eye that there is no MOV at all, but there is just a regional dialect, the slang of the Russian language.
      That is, if you do not pursue exactly the policy that the Ukrainian authorities are now pursuing, then the state of Ukraine will have nothing of its own. The whole bluff of Ukrainization, which has been carried out for the last, not even 20 years, but the last 100-150 years, will simply become apparent. That is, Ukraine is just a part of the Russian world, Russians live there and it would be very logical to reunite back, which the Ukrainian authorities do not want at all. It’s better for them to be presidents than governors ...
      The only way out is the liquidation of Ukraine as an independent state. Ukraine is a part of the Russian world.
      1. dmitrijbyko
        dmitrijbyko 26 July 2012 22: 30
        0
        Nobody is going to make Russian the second state. Why did everyone run into the Russian language (there are 16 languages ​​in the draft law). And those who write that there is no Ukrainian language are wrong ( just a regional dialect, slang of the Russian language). It exists, as well as the Belarusian one. Due to the historical division of Russia, they divided and developed independently. I agree that now there is a distortion of the "wonderful Ukrainian movi" (pollination, the Galician dialect of the Ukrainian language is presented as truly Ukrainian, etc.)
  12. -amoR-
    -amoR- 26 July 2012 08: 23
    +3
    I read it, I was surprised. Probably, the author and I live in different "Ukraine". Believe it or not, in which cities I have never been, I have never been reproached for communicating in Russian. Am I going there?
    1. Odessa
      Odessa 26 July 2012 08: 35
      +2
      -amoR-,
      Believe it or not, but in which cities you haven’t been, they have never reproached me for speaking in Russian.

      Don’t drop in to Lviv, and if you drop by, then be kind, in the capital of Galitchini, roam in Ukrainian. They want to ...
      1. -amoR-
        -amoR- 26 July 2012 08: 49
        -1
        Don’t stop in Lviv, and if you have stopped, then be a caress, in the capital of Galitchini, roam in Ukrainian.


        Odessa, such statements always surprised me. Over the past year I have been there several times. And on selfish matters, and on official. Ceremonial establishments, historical places, public transport, government institutions. I had a lot to visit. Not a single slanting glance about the Russian language.

        I was in the wrong Lviv?
        1. Odessa
          Odessa 26 July 2012 09: 05
          0
          -amoR-,
          I was in the wrong Lviv?

          So it doesn’t depend on the city, but which of the Natsiks will you meet? The type of citizen who was trying to deal with the Odessa inspector about the mov.
        2. sssla
          sssla 26 July 2012 13: 04
          0
          Yes, dear, you were in that city of Lviv but not in those places. And if in those places, then on the face would get for sure.
          1. amoR
            amoR 26 July 2012 13: 06
            0
            Where such confidence? Have you already received? And received for communication in Russian?
            1. Odessa
              Odessa 26 July 2012 13: 20
              0
              amoR,
              Why such confidence?

              If you don’t know, don’t argue, don’t get it right on the face, and about a month ago there was a publication about how a local deputy got the taxi driver fired, and only because a song was played in Russian in the cabin . Or will you deny this fact?
              1. amoR
                amoR 26 July 2012 13: 32
                +1
                And because of this fact, a beautiful city with friendly people turned into a stronghold of neo-Nazism? Inadequate people are everywhere. And it will be enough. I will not argue, but maybe it is from a lack of education ... I do not know. In my town a pedophile was recently planted. And what's the same now? Sevastopol - the city of pedophiles?
                1. Odessa
                  Odessa 26 July 2012 13: 54
                  +1
                  amoR,
                  You still didn’t understand that the problem was not in people, but in deputies like her. The troublemakers, they came up with a suitcase, train station, Russia.
                  In my town a pedophile was recently planted.

                  It is a pity that for such nonhumans, there is no death penalty.
                  1. amoR
                    amoR 26 July 2012 15: 23
                    -1
                    I just understood. And he wrote it more than once, and not two. Talking about the status of the language is the lot of politicians, not those people who live and work in Ukraine.
                2. edge
                  edge 27 July 2012 05: 10
                  +1
                  but for some reason they are arriving in Ukraine, becoming sad. It is well known that as soon as Russia puts an end to Ukraine, it will cease to exist; Poles, Turks, Romanians, Hungarians will fulfill their long-cherished dream ...
              2. DEMENTIY
                DEMENTIY 26 July 2012 13: 44
                +5
                Odessa (1)
                I support + love
              3. Viklis
                Viklis 26 July 2012 15: 19
                -1
                Quote: Odessa
                About a month ago, there was a publication about how a local deputy got the shuttle taxi driver fired, and only because a song was played in Russian in the cabin. Or will you deny this fact?

                Well, if we judge the true state of things by all publications, then how do we still live in this world? And inadequacy and inadequate enough, so is it worth it to become like. And an adventure to one's own ento place can be found in any city, and the language is not to blame. First, gossip will be launched not without the help of the media, and then it turns out it is not the language of the matter, but there was a little (much) vodka ... and it was not chattered by the language principle ...
          2. Viklis
            Viklis 26 July 2012 15: 25
            0
            Quote: sssla
            And if in those places then on the face would get exactly

            The comments delight in mixing different languages. :) And on this, as you say, "face" can be obtained regardless of the language of the speakers, in conditions of the deteriorating financial situation of citizens and a decline in the level of culture. So there are more than enough special places for this not only in Ukrainian cities.
        3. Cat_
          Cat_ 26 July 2012 17: 00
          +1
          You were not in that Lviv, you just spoke Ukrainian! And here you pretend that there is no language problem
          1. Orey
            Orey 26 July 2012 17: 25
            +1
            Quote: Cat_
            You were not in that Lviv, you just spoke Ukrainian! And here you pretend that there is no language problem

            We in Lviv sang songs in Russian at night and nothing without problems (of course we were 6-7 people) ...
      2. Kievan
        Kievan 26 July 2012 11: 40
        -4
        Quote: Odessa
        Don’t drop in to Lviv, and if you drop by, then be kind, in the capital of Galitchini, roam in Ukrainian. They want to ...

        Why write it if you have never been there and already here the people who have been there 100500 times wrote that this is all bullshit?
        1. Odessa
          Odessa 26 July 2012 12: 06
          0
          Kievan,
          Why write it if you have never been there and already here the people who have been there 100500 times wrote that this is all bullshit?

          What do you scratch? Are you my personal chronicler? I was in Lviv, and before writing nonsense, it was worth asking. Bullshit is measured your comment!
          1. Sardanapalus
            Sardanapalus 26 July 2012 12: 28
            +9
            Odessa,
            And how, excuse me, will be on the move - bullshit? For self-education, so to speak.
            1. dmitrijbyko
              dmitrijbyko 26 July 2012 22: 36
              +3
              "madder sivoi kobili"
      3. Viklis
        Viklis 26 July 2012 15: 00
        +2
        Odessa,
        А на каком языке "хотят" , чтоб вы разговаривали в той стране, флаг которой возле вашего имени. И как вы к этому лично относитесь? И представьте русского, украинца, еврея по национальности, обучающегося в немецкой школе, то как у него сложатся отношения с немецким языком? Никто не принуждает забыть и игнорировать свой родной язык, но немецким овладеть придётся. И если автор статьи пишет о том, что всего 1 русская школа на весь город( из 35 имеющихся), то все дети города ну никак не могут в ней обучаться, и если он один не владеет украинским языком, то это не значит, что это в массе своей трагедия. Автор родился в Украине, не приехал из другой страны в Украину во взрослом возрасте, когда я допускаю трудности с изучение украинского могут и возникнуть..И кто или что мешало изучать язык? Предложат автору работу за границей будет вынужден изучать необходимый язык...Но поверьте понять русскому украинца(и наоборот) в общении, гораздо легче чем француза, англичанина, если не знать французский и английский. Я уже писала как-то, что во времена СССР у нас в школах( а это юг Украины) изучался украинский язык и литература со 2 по 10 класс включительно...И никому не мешало знание помимо русского ещё и украинского языка и одного иностранного(как минимум). Так что сейчас так всполошились? И кто? Те, кому выгодно чтобы была такая возня(=грызня) и уводить народ от проблем действительно жизненноважных!!!. А уж начинать говорить о случаях, что где-то кого-то оскорбили неонацисты, вспоминать фашизм - так разве это чисто украинское явление? Или если встречаете , мягко говоря, идиотов, творящих беспредел, то при чём тут язык. Что в России нет случаев избиения(и убийств) лиц другой национальности вследствие межнациональных конфликтов? И что по этим случаям судить о всей стране что ли?
        Comments turn into an exchange of "horror stories", gossip: have you heard, but have you seen ... Well, yes ... someone is passing through, somewhere somehow ... maybe not to tell something like that ...
        1. Cat_
          Cat_ 26 July 2012 18: 58
          -1
          And where does Germany? An example is completely inadequate.
          "And imagine a Russian, Ukrainian, Jewish by nationality studying in a German school"
          - I won't even imagine, since the situation is very far from ours. Is there 50% of Hebrew-speaking residents there ??? If you gave the example of Belgium, for example, I would still understand. Three official languages ​​... For example, a Frenchman who came to Belgium would not need to learn another language, because his native language is the state language. Don't find it convenient for people ??? Our patriots, however, will not be able to sleep peacefully, since the "i oaths" will be legally protected from "promising Ukrainization"
          And no one bothering with knowledge besides Russian also the Ukrainian language and one foreign language (at least)
          - another old, rather hackneyed, controversial thesis. Let me determine for myself how effective it is for me to spend the time allotted by the creator. For example, how would you react if I suggested you learn one of the programming languages, for example, C ++ or study, for example, Kähler manifolds and complex algebraic geometry ??? Agree that this knowledge will not hurt you. But immediately a lot of controversial questions arise: - "Can I do it in principle?", "Will this knowledge be in demand in my life?", "How much time will I spend on studying?" etc. So I think, these your theses - "far-fetched"
          1. Viklis
            Viklis 27 July 2012 01: 21
            -1
            Quote: Cat_
            How would you react, for example, if I suggested you learn one of the programming languages, for example C ++, or study for example Kähler manifolds and complex algebraic geometry ???

            Wanted to impress? Consider that succeeded. :) It’s only a pity that they did not mention Abelian varieties - my favorites. :)
            So far this is not about programming languages, thank God, politicians are not up to them, so no one bothers you in this area to determine how to spend time efficiently for yourself. This is a situation where there are Russian-speaking and Ukrainian-speaking citizens of one country. In my opinion, even from the discussions here it is clearly visible that there are different points of view on this issue. And the task of the authorities, their respective bodies, preferably competent, is to solve issues about languages, taking into account the opinions of all participants, and to find, as already mentioned, a clear wise compromise solution. And there is no need to fan the hype around which language is better, worse, higher, lower. You did not like my example. And I am impressed when Russian, Ukrainian students studying abroad, living there, do not forget their native language, their roots, and at the same time it is natural to master the language of the country where they are located, because, as you put it about the convenience for people, then they are still not created everywhere, or rather not for everyone in terms of language (everyone, naturally, would like to speak the language that suits him). But here and there, in everyday life, they say Ukrainian, they say Ukrainian, they get the answer in Russian and vice versa, and it was like that back in the days of the USSR. Now there are more Russian-language books than in Ukrainian, and magazines, newspapers, television channels, and by the way, not everyone will read the names of stores in a foreign manner, speaking Russian and Ukrainian ... :)
  13. Strashila
    Strashila 26 July 2012 08: 49
    +2
    Originally an artificially created language, it is a dead language. As one official from the Central Asian republics noted how much literature is of different kinds in the national and how much in Russian, the comparison is far from in favor of the national language, and the type is Ukrainian ... how much literature is published on it and how much in Russian in the same Ukraine, clearly not in favor of Ukrainian.
    1. -amoR-
      -amoR- 26 July 2012 09: 25
      +2
      And here I am still observing an interesting phenomenon. Did not meet what percentage of Ukrainian schools are supported at the state level in the Russian Federation? And in my city the vast majority of Russian schools are supported by the state budget. The same, I think, support and typography.
      1. Cat_
        Cat_ 26 July 2012 17: 03
        +1
        Well, this once again says that a lot of Ukrainians speak Russian. We would speak Ukrainian - there would be schools
        1. amoR
          amoR 26 July 2012 17: 55
          -3
          Why this comment? I wrote somewhere that there are no Ukrainian schools? There is. And an order of magnitude more than Russian. Read carefully. I wrote about government support. And no more.
          1. Cat_
            Cat_ 26 July 2012 19: 08
            +2
            I read carefully! If you are not able to understand what is being answered, then this is your problem.
            Ask about the Russian Federation,
            e met what percentage of Ukrainian schools are supported at the state level in the Russian Federation?
            At the same time you answer about Ukraine.
            There is. And an order of magnitude more than Russian
            Or is it about Russia? If you all know that there are a lot of them, then what is the question ???
            1. amoR
              amoR 26 July 2012 19: 31
              0
              Do not be so loud :-) Just because you understand what you are writing does not mean that others understand it either. The commentary and words were not about the Russian Federation. Therefore, such a comment.
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 26 July 2012 11: 44
      -1
      Quote: Strashila
      Originally an artificially created language, it is a dead language.

      Let me disagree with you. ”The" dead "Ukrainian language began to be created after 1991. on the basis of the Bandera-Galician dialect, and it was created urgently by a Jew. The real, literary, living Ukr language has existed for several centuries, and is a derivative of the Old Russian, Old Slavic language. It was in it under Soviet power that books were printed, and they read very easily.
      1. Sardanapalus
        Sardanapalus 26 July 2012 12: 31
        +8
        I read to Kobzar - translation is not needed, but as they say now you’ll break a horseradish with your foot.
      2. dmitrijbyko
        dmitrijbyko 26 July 2012 22: 39
        +1
        The pure truth
  14. dmitrijbyko
    dmitrijbyko 26 July 2012 09: 00
    +4
    Quote: Odessa
    And here are two official languages, Hebrew and Arabic.

    Is "here" Israel?
  15. -amoR-
    -amoR- 26 July 2012 09: 22
    -1
    So it doesn’t depend on the city, but with which of the Natsiks will you cross?


    Are you talking about a gopota in short jeans and shaved heads? Not interesting by definition. Their insanely small percentage compared to an adequate majority of the educated population.

    The type of this citizen who oversaw the Odessa inspector about movi.


    Or about a person who reacted "inadequately" about "veal" MOV? Are you seriously? I can't even imagine that a native of Kazakhstan, for example, a traffic police inspector in Perm, again, for example, will address the driver in Kazakh and call Russian a "bullish" language. Have you presented? :-)
  16. Rodriques
    Rodriques 26 July 2012 09: 32
    +1
    C'mon, guys, the time will come and all this neo-Nazi racket, Ukrainian and similar nationalists from other republics, will crawl to mother mother on her knees, in tears and snot. laughing
    1. -amoR-
      -amoR- 26 July 2012 09: 35
      -1
      Well, where can we do without it :-) This is the only way everyone lives :-) I listen to these nonsense about the status of languages, watch the news and wonder how easily a "box" can raise a storm from scratch.
  17. patriot2
    patriot2 26 July 2012 09: 44
    +7
    When the government wants to distract its people from: unemployment, higher prices for goods in stores, closure of factories, then it acts on the principle of "divide and rule." They are looking for topics that would lead away the negative energy that threatens this power.
    Among ordinary people (not politicians or terry nations) there is no conflict. The conflict is created artificially, so that white goes against black, Ukrainian against Russian and vice versa. Because, if a Ukrainian and a Russian agree, then heap that power in full.
    1. -amoR-
      -amoR- 26 July 2012 09: 51
      +4
      I agree completely. And I see the same mood among friends and relatives. The usual instigation of passions.
    2. NICK
      NICK 26 July 2012 12: 09
      0
      Quote: patriot2
      if Ukrainian and Russian agree, then heap that power in full

      They no longer agree, before it was necessary to agree, then it will only get worse. Today's youth already perceives Russia and Ukraine as different countries (what we have, what in Ukraine). This is not an escalation of passions. Who needs the Russian language in Ukraine, he already teaches and knows it (guest workers, prostitutes, not only Russian).
    3. Cat_
      Cat_ 26 July 2012 18: 06
      0
      An old, hackneyed tale "the authorities want to distract their people from unemployment." As soon as a language question appears on the horizon, the "patriots" start telling this tale. As soon as the authorities tried to close the problem so that the next time "not to distract" the people, the patriots immediately raised a hi, allegedly a threat hung over the Ukrainian language.
  18. volcano
    volcano 26 July 2012 09: 57
    +6
    The Ukrainian government has always experienced a complex of "sovereignty" from the fact that the state of Ukraine is roughly like the state of Estonia. There is no history, no modern world authority, nothing.
    Recently watched a report from Kiev.
    According to the passers-by who were asked questions. And Vladimir Manomakh and Yaroslav the Wise and other great old Russian princes are Ukrainians.
    And we both m ***** and bast shoes stole "the great history of Ukraine" Well, isn't it nonsense?
    And in the absence of elements of independence per se (history, sovereignty, great deeds), how can one not get mad? They became sovereign, but there is no basis.
    And then there is the Russian language to use? Well, it only remains to hang oneself.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 26 July 2012 12: 03
      +1
      Quote: volkan
      Ukraine is approximately like a state of Estonia. Neither its history nor contemporary world authority, there is nothing.

      Here you, my friend, are wrong about 50%. Namely, when you talk about the history of Ukraine. As well as sovereignty and great deeds. But what about Sagaidachny, Khmelnytsky, Zaporizhzhya’s Sich, Crimean campaigns of Ataman Sirko, Chigirin’s defense, Pereyaslavskaya Rada ? Only all this is more or less connected with Russia. And only thanks to the fraternal help of the Russian state, Ukraine did not become a pashalyk or voivodship. And the trouble of the independent people is that they want to delete Russia from the common history, but how? After all, you won’t erase words from the song. And they really want to show that they themselves have a mustache. But there is nothing to cover, so they rage, rewrite history, brainwash children at school. And such statements from Russia, like yours about the lack of history, great deeds, also pour water on mill of Galician historians.
      1. volcano
        volcano 26 July 2012 12: 45
        +4
        Revnagan
        So you say it right. I mean this, that our history is GENERAL, there is no separate history of Ukraine. There is ONE LARGE GLORIOUS HISTORY OF BROTHERS OF SLAVES !!!
      2. Cat_
        Cat_ 26 July 2012 20: 50
        0
        Totally agree
  19. Okcug32
    Okcug32 26 July 2012 10: 16
    +3
    It’s a pity for the Ukrainians that they are so brainwashed and that the most annoying thing is being done on it ... This is often connected with a lack of knowledge of history, people who lived most of the time in the USSR apply to Russia, but young people, yes ...
  20. amoR
    amoR 26 July 2012 10: 25
    -3
    It's no longer a matter of brainwashing, but of word of mouth. The neighbor said, the friend recounted it, discussed it with a good snack and off we go. A couple of people saw this document in their eyes, and then in passing. So such articles appear. They spoke and will continue to speak Russian. Nobody is going to infringe on him.
  21. vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 26 July 2012 11: 05
    +3
    All this tramp with the Russian language, history is most likely caused by the fact that it would distract the Ukrainian people from topical and pressing problems that exist in Ukraine.
    It’s much harder:
    - boost the economy
    - ensure the social rights of people
    - restore the army and navy
    - provide housing, etc.
    - reduce corruption and plunder of the country.
    To do this, the authorities need knowledge, skills and decency.
    There is neither the first, nor the second, nor the third.
    And here a lot of mind is not necessary. Flutter your tongue. Catch a fish in troubled waters.
    Therefore, the authorities are looking for enemies. In this case, it is Russia. They don’t say anything to the West, the same Poland or Turkey, although there should be more complaints about these countries that have usurped their people for centuries. To be afraid.
    And we are our own, dear. We can tolerate.
    Therefore, the same masters of the Ukrainian need to remember their own saying - the lords are fighting, and at the lackeys forelocks are cracking.
    I also understand:
    - high level economy
    - the welfare of the people is high
    - and in general - all is well.
    Now you can tackle both history and language issues.
    "... no guys, everything is not so, all is not so guys" (V.S. Vysotsky)
    By the way.
    I often use the saying in some cases - "Bachili eyes sho bought" (sorry that not on the move). I have never received a comment from the Russians.
    He was at a nephew’s wedding in a Ukrainian village (near Stavropol).
    There were no language conflicts.
    Therefore, this problem was created artificially by the rulers of Ukraine, because they can’t offer anything clever to their people. So at least something.
  22. Kievan
    Kievan 26 July 2012 11: 06
    -3
    “I grew up in a Russian-speaking family, I studied at a Russian-language school, and in general I have Russian roots, but I think that in the state of Ukraine there should be one state language - UKRAINIAN”. This is generally, as for me, the clinic is complete, which smacks of fascism. Based on this logic, Australia should have an Australian language, in Zimbabwe - Zimbabwean, in Monaco - Monegasque, etc.

    For some reason, the author is not surprised that the Russian language is in Russia. Is fascism in Russia or does the author have problems with logic?
    Interestingly, the Tatars in Tatarstan have the right not to learn and not know Russian?
    Can a judge, a policeman, a female worker, etc. do not know the Russian language, but only your native Tatar, Dagestan, / insert the necessary / /
    1. Odious
      Odious 26 July 2012 11: 34
      +2
      Kievan
      Why don't you write in calf tongue?
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 26 July 2012 12: 09
      +4
      Quote: Kievite
      Can a judge, a policeman, a female worker, etc. do not know the Russian language, but only your native Tatar, Dagestan, / insert the necessary / /

      There is no need for demagogy. To compare the situation, in Russia there should be such a situation:
      a) in native Tatar (Dagestan, Chechen, underline as appropriate), at least 45% of the population of Russia should speak;
      b) this Tatar (Dagestan, Chechen, underline as appropriate) must have the same historical root as Russian and be related to it;
      In such circumstances, your question and comparison will be appropriate.
    3. edge
      edge 27 July 2012 05: 39
      -1
      look scarecrow carefully (in Dagestan 26 languages), and Russian is the language of interethnic communication.
  23. The cat
    The cat 26 July 2012 11: 42
    -10
    The author of the article is also that linguist. In his sick imagination, there are Australian and Zimbabwean languages.
    Let them accept several state languages ​​in those countries where there is no national language (Switzerland, Canada, etc.), we have everything in order with this.
    1. Odious
      Odious 26 July 2012 11: 47
      0
      The cat
      Everything is in order in a sick imagination. belay
      1. The cat
        The cat 26 July 2012 11: 55
        -2
        Do you speak Australian too?
        1. Odious
          Odious 26 July 2012 12: 20
          -2
          I do not own a calf.
          1. amoR
            amoR 26 July 2012 12: 26
            -2
            What a chic and, most importantly, interesting comment.
            1. Odious
              Odious 26 July 2012 12: 34
              +5
              amoR Today, 12:26 ↑ new 0
              What a chic and, most importantly, interesting comment.

              What comment did you expect?
              1. amoR
                amoR 26 July 2012 12: 41
                -4
                Wow! I am already a Galician! :-) Watch how life turned!
  24. Shulz-1955
    Shulz-1955 26 July 2012 12: 28
    +2
    If the nations will be friends among themselves, despite the zombie-politicians will move
    1. Odious
      Odious 26 July 2012 13: 11
      +2
      Shulz-1955 (1) Today, 12:28 0
      If the nations will be friends among themselves, despite the zombie-politicians will move

      Do not be naive.
      Are these moving up?
      1. Shulz-1955
        Shulz-1955 26 July 2012 16: 09
        +2
        These in the hire, I thought about normal
  25. igor_ua.
    igor_ua. 26 July 2012 12: 57
    +3
    And in Canada, 2 state languages, in Switzerland - 4, Finland - 2 Belgium - 3
    1. Cat_
      Cat_ 26 July 2012 21: 22
      0
      You see igor_ua.like a "patriot" Elgato [/ b,] quickly backed it up! All this turns out to be an exception to the rule. And you live in another reality. And you have to live in "real" reality - "The cat"-tovskoy, in which the status of a regional, for the Russian language is very bad
  26. The cat
    The cat 26 July 2012 13: 21
    0
    Quote: igor_ua
    And in Canada, 2 state languages, in Switzerland - 4, Finland - 2 Belgium - 3

    Just Canadian, Swiss, Belgian languages ​​do not exist, and Finland is more likely an exception to the rule, where official bilingualism was established as a result of a long stay in Sweden.
    By the way, separatist sentiments are very strong in Belgium, which multilingualism is very conducive to, and Quebec has repeatedly announced the holding of a referendum on independence.
    1. Leonid SK
      Leonid SK 26 July 2012 17: 33
      +1
      "" "and Finland is rather an exception to the rule, where official bilingualism was established as a result of a long stay in Sweden." ""
      This case gives the right to demand a better attitude to the Russian language.
      1. amoR
        amoR 26 July 2012 18: 00
        -3
        And again:

        Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.


        Better than what? All my life I and my environment have spoken Russian. No problem. Although I consider Ukrainian as my native language. Now, by law, the Russian language in some regions will become practically the state language. Where is even better?
        1. Leonid SK
          Leonid SK 26 July 2012 22: 42
          +1
          "" Now, legally, the Russian language in some regions will become practically the state language. "" "
          The second, I repeat, the SECOND, official language ....
          Of course, there is concern that the Ukrainian language is simply blown away as unnecessary.
        2. Don
          Don 27 July 2012 09: 51
          0
          Quote: amoR
          All my life I and my environment have spoken Russian. No problem. Although I consider Ukrainian as my native language.

          Some kind of paradox turns out. All your life, speak and think in Russian, and native Ukrainian. Why did he suddenly become your own family if you speak Russian all your life.
          1. amoR
            amoR 27 July 2012 12: 23
            +1
            What is the paradox? I freely switch to the language that is spoken to me. He lived in Kharkov - spoke Russian, came to Western - spoke Ukrainian, traveled for uniforms and books in childhood - tried to perceive phrases in Polish and Belarusian, now I go on business trips - I speak English, I try to understand Arabic. What is the paradox? According to the passport - Ukrainian, mother tongue - Ukrainian. I am only proud that I know more than one language.
    2. Cat_
      Cat_ 26 July 2012 21: 24
      +1
      You see igor_ua.like a "patriot" The cat, you quickly proved everything! All this turns out to be an exception to the rule. And you live in another reality. And you have to live in "real" reality - "The cat"-tovskoy, in which the status of a regional, for the Russian language is very bad
    3. Don
      Don 27 July 2012 09: 55
      +2
      Quote: Elgato
      and Finland is more likely an exception to the rule, where official bilingualism was established as a result of a long stay in Sweden.

      So Finland entered Russia, and Russian is not the second state there. In Finland, the second state Swedish since 10% of the population of Finland are Swedes, and Sami has a special status. This is democratically.
      Quote: Elgato
      By the way, separatist sentiments are very strong in Belgium, which multilingualism is very conducive to, and Quebec has repeatedly announced the holding of a referendum on independence.

      By the way, yes, but by the way, in Switzerland and Finland there are no separatist sentiments and separatism does not depend on language. In France, Spain, Great Britain, Italy, China, and India, there are strong separatist movements, and the vast majority of the population speak the same language.
  27. darkman70
    darkman70 26 July 2012 15: 04
    +1
    “I grew up in a Russian-speaking family, I studied at a Russian-language school, and in general I have Russian roots, but I think that in the state of Ukraine there should be one state language - UKRAINIAN”

    In fact, this is a very terrible manifestation, characteristic of Ukraine. In other republics, this rarely happens.
    You can understand the Ukrainians, who fear not without reason, that if the Russian language is the second state language, then it will simply displace the language from all spheres of life, which will call into question the meaning of the existence of the Ukrainian state in general ... But why does some of the Russians support this? a riddle. Apparently, anti-Russian propaganda is doing its job.
    1. Viklis
      Viklis 26 July 2012 16: 07
      +1
      Quote: darkman70
      In fact, this is a very terrible manifestation, characteristic of Ukraine. In other republics, this rarely happens.

      An interesting approach. And what about other republics? What is in the republics of Central Asia, the Baltic states, in Georgia, etc.? Thank God we did not have a squeeze on linguistic and national grounds during the collapse of the USSR. Why were Russians forced to leave other republics to Russia? Wasn’t it? I'm not talking about migrant workers. And what kind of linguistic and national policy was there, do you not know? Since the Ukrainian language was qualitatively taught during the Soviet era in an ordinary school in our southern Ukraine, I doubt that the same level has now remained. And neither Ukrainianization nor Russification really scares .... The boom began with the Ukrainian, adapted ... Now the boom was asleep, the local authorities in both Russian and Ukrainian were blown on TV. And the people have adapted all the more. Do not forget that Ukrainian is neither Georgian nor Estonian, it will be easier to understand and no one has oppressed anyone. And the fact of the traffic cop ... this is not an indicator of the whole situation. You know, boors are enough in any country. Tongue boom ended, hysteria began.
      It is clear to whom this is beneficial, not to the people for sure. Seeing that we have no problems with the language, they begin to make porridge deliberately, by all means and means. Give young people the opportunity to live with dignity, study and work, and do not insult it in vain, whether it is anti-Ukrainian or anti-Russian .... It is criminal to direct it to the wrong place, not to the barricades, to wave flags for languages, against ...
      Quote: darkman70
      Since the Russian language will be the second state language, it will simply displace mov from all spheres of life, which will call into question the meaning of the existence of the Ukrainian state

      It would be necessary to deal with spheres of life for a start, the question is more than ripe, and then the state may exist .... and, I assure you, that it’s not without language, that is, it will not be dumb ...
      In my opinion, it is necessary to bear responsibility for oppression and persecution on a national basis, and this should be at the level of legislation.
      But it would also be nice to introduce responsibility for information sabotage, moreover, effective.
      1. darkman70
        darkman70 26 July 2012 16: 59
        +1
        Read carefully. I meant the phenomenon when it is precisely a part of the Russians who oppose the Russian language in Ukraine.
        1. Viklis
          Viklis 26 July 2012 18: 09
          +1
          SW darkman70
          I am in no hurry to generalize and translate into the category of phenomena individual cases of what I heard from the lives of friends, neighbors, disputes at the kitchen table, because then there will be much more "phenomena". And each of the commentators has something to tell. About half a century ago, in kindergartens in a Russian-speaking city, we learned rhymes and songs in both Russian and Ukrainian, regardless of nationality, the language that was spoken at home. And in schools, from the 2nd grade, they began to study Ukrainian and everything was as it should be with essays and dictations, despite the fact that all subjects were taught in Russian. And at the Shevchenko Kiev State University in the 80s, lectures were conducted in both Russian and Ukrainian, and you could answer the teacher in any language, and in Ukrainian - this does not mean that ardent nationalists, and no propaganda, because, for example there was a subject in chemistry, which was taught in Ukrainian by a wonderful teacher Leonid Isaakovich (for those who like to deal with national roots, I give a name and patronymic). And everything is calm until the authorities want to "change", and the simplest thing is to remember the language ... for a seed ... Therefore, if, as you say, Russian-speakers stand up for the Ukrainian state, then apparently they are fluent in both languages. If they get to Canada, then what will they stand up for? In my opinion, a balanced and objective approach is needed here. Do not harness anyone and find a compromise solution, in a smart way and without emotion. On the example of discussions, I see a jump from one extreme to another. Some - against the Russian, others - against the Ukrainian and sometimes with mutual insults. One thing reassures us that Ukrainization does not threaten Russia either now or in the event of our unification :)
    2. Orey
      Orey 26 July 2012 16: 19
      +4
      Quote: darkman70
      But why and some of the Russians support it - it's a mystery. Apparently, anti-Russian propaganda is doing its job.

      You probably write in Russian all Russian-speaking, and Russian-speaking Ukrainians, as a rule, do not support the second state language.
      1. darkman70
        darkman70 26 July 2012 16: 54
        +1
        You probably write in Russian all Russian-speaking

        No, I mean exactly Russians by nationality ... Friends, classmates ...
        1. Orey
          Orey 26 July 2012 17: 04
          +3
          Quote: darkman70
          No, I mean exactly Russians by nationality ... Friends, classmates ...

          I have relatively often met ethnic Russians who, having lived in Ukraine for 20-30 years, become no less patriots than Ukrainians. They then understand how far-fetched the topic of "oppression" of the Russian language is ... Those who live in the Russian Federation do not understand this ...
      2. M. Peter
        M. Peter 26 July 2012 20: 05
        0
        Quote: Orey
        You probably write in Russian all Russian-speaking, and Russian-speaking Ukrainians, as a rule, do not support the second state language.

        It is necessary to change the attitude. Don't use the term "Russian-speaking" to refer to Russians. It's one thing Kazakhs, Tajiks, or Uzbeks, but here? Russians and everything that comes from here. That is, all sorts of educational programs, with funding from the Russian Federation, to create Russian schools, to connect the Russian Orthodox Church.
        We simply alienated ourselves from our people, in Yeltsin's years leaving everyone to the mercy of fate. Time has passed, it’s time to collect stones already.
        Russia and Ukraine, this is not Germany and Austria, we will not succeed. We are one people, we have too much in common. And this factor, by the way, may turn against us. In the sense that even if our arms markets are almost the same as our discussions on this resource, for example, these common interests will sooner or later lead us to a military conflict. Because it is precisely those who have a lot in common who are fighting among themselves. since they cannot share this in common.
        So either we are together, or we are finished, at least nothing good will come of our life atrocities.
        And if Russia still somehow manages to get out, due to its size and all kinds of resources, then Ukraine will definitely have a "edge".
    3. M. Peter
      M. Peter 26 July 2012 19: 54
      -2
      Quote: darkman70
      But why and some of the Russians support it - it's a mystery. Apparently, anti-Russian propaganda is doing its job.

      Yes, nonsense! Not in the sense that it is propaganda, but that it is not worth paying attention to it. Under the Soviet Union, everyone went to parades, shouted "Glory to the CPSU" and so on, so on. If Ukraine is pressured to join the Customs Union, and then to the Eurasian Union, then everything will return to "normal". To squeeze out the mov is very easy and simple. In the USSR, this pseudo-language was treated as a holdover, they were embarrassed to use it in a decent society. After the collapse, when the surge of nationalism of all stripes, both Ukrainian and Russian, simply launched central processes that have recently begun to subside. If Ukraine joins the Union, then Russian will again become native to all Ukrainians. And if the Ministry of Education is also connected, that is, to work for the future generation, then after that it will be possible not to even remember about any separatism of the Russian lands.
      The main thing is to work now. By the way, I gave my vote for Putin in these elections for this very reason. Since he is the only one of today's politicians who not only includes populism, but "quietly" works to restore our large united state. All the others can only shout about the Russian Crimea, and the "bombing of Tbilisi", while doing nothing in real life, focusing exclusively on future elections, and it would even seem to be among the "left" who, according to the logic of things, be for the Union, but no. ..

      Quote: Orey
      You probably write in Russian all Russian-speaking, and Russian-speaking Ukrainians, as a rule, do not support the second state language.

      It is necessary to change the attitude. Don't use the term "Russian-speaking" to refer to Russians. It's one thing Kazakhs, Tajiks, or Uzbeks, but here? Russians and everything that comes from here. That is, all sorts of educational programs, with funding from the Russian Federation, to create Russian schools, to connect the Russian Orthodox Church.
      We simply alienated ourselves from our people, in Yeltsin's years leaving everyone to the mercy of fate. Time has passed, it’s time to collect stones already.
      Russia and Ukraine, this is not Germany and Austria, we will not succeed. We are one people, we have too much in common. And this factor, by the way, may turn against us. In the sense that even if our arms markets are almost the same as our discussions on this resource, for example, these common interests will sooner or later lead us to a military conflict. Because it is precisely those who have a lot in common who are fighting among themselves. since they cannot share this in common.
      So either we are together, or we are finished, at least nothing good will come of our life atrocities.
      And if Russia still somehow manages to get out, due to its size and all kinds of resources, then Ukraine will definitely have a "edge".
  28. the polar
    the polar 26 July 2012 16: 44
    0
    There is an old article-interview of the Kiev journalist Andrey Vajra about the origin of the "Ukrainian movi"
    http://zvezda.ru/politics/2007/05/19/ukraina_2.htm.
    Read, you will not regret.

    And rightly so here the majority notes that "the matter is not in languages," but in the corrupt power, both Russian and Ukrainian, over which there is one Boss, the Anglo-American oligarchy. So he then dictates to whom on what "mov" to speak, and so to speak so that the further the less they understand each other, but they would shout more and find out who owes what to whom.

    Does anyone really think that a political, economic and financial union will cause irreparable damage to the citizens of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.
    Here some asshole said that the Ukrainian youth has long "seen themselves in an independent state." No, my friend, Ukrainian youth first of all sees that their pocket is empty and that a brilliant future is not visible. This is what she sees first.
    So if Ukrainian youth were told that in a union state, they would restore the destroyed factories, that everyone would have a job and a decent salary, and who should speak what language was their own business. That they would put with a large device both on the independence and on Bandera heroes, for both Ukrainians and Russians have one common epic hero of their common History, Ilya-Muromets, whose relics lie in the Kiev Pechersk Lavra.

    Now few people remember and know about it.
    And it would be necessary.

    And by the way, what language did the native of the village of Karacharova speak, what about the Oka, with the Prince of Kiev, and with his twin cities, Dobrynya Nikitich, and Alyosha Popovich, really in Bandera?

    Or maybe they were Landsknecht mercenaries?

    Maybe it's time to distort and rewrite our Russian History here?
    1. gor
      gor 26 July 2012 22: 00
      +2
      in fact, the Ukrainian language is closer to that Old Slavonic version and therefore Ukrainians find it easier to communicate with Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, etc. and the Russian language was formed more separately and in view of the conditions that were. In Russian there are a lot of borrowed words from others peoples.
      1. M. Peter
        M. Peter 27 July 2012 06: 34
        +1
        Quote: gor
        in fact, the Ukrainian Mova is closer to that Old Slavonic version and therefore Ukrainians are easier to communicate with Poles, Czechs, Slovaks

        If the current mov, then yes, it is very similar. Not without reason, each time, the current mov is becoming more and more like Polish.
        The Ukrainian language, which is used for example in Donetsk, is not at all the same as in Lviv.
        In the 39th, few understood Western Ukrainians at all.
  29. Orey
    Orey 26 July 2012 16: 57
    +1
    Quote: Polar
    Here some asshole said that the Ukrainian youth has long "seen themselves in an independent state." No, my friend, Ukrainian youth first of all sees that their pocket is empty and that a brilliant future is not visible. This is what she sees first.

    Well, of course you from the Russian Federation better see what kind of youth here ...
    Quote: Polar
    So if Ukrainian youth were told that in a union state, they would restore the destroyed factories, that everyone would have a job and a decent salary, and who should speak what language was their own business. That they would put with a large device and on the independence and Bandera heroes,

    And what will Russian youth put for Russian statehood and join the EU or China for the sake of factories and salaries? Or do you think that we are some kind of not such people like you?
    1. the polar
      the polar 26 July 2012 18: 51
      -1
      Orey,

      Chicken is not a bird-Ukraine is not abroad.
      I know what young people are in Ukraine, because I have relatives and many friends there.

      You are a supporter of "nezalezhnosti" and is drawn to someone's thread to join the EU or NATO ... One is probably bored in "nezalezhnosti" sucking his paw. I just want to lie under someone, if only a non-Russian.

      And Russian youth, like Ukrainian, not dreaming of joining anyone, for the sake of their Future is capable of sending far, far any Power that has not justified its Hopes, Hopes for which young people have the right!
      1. Orey
        Orey 27 July 2012 12: 29
        +1
        Quote: Polar
        Chicken is not a bird-Ukraine is not abroad.
        I know what young people are in Ukraine, because I have relatives and many friends there.

        How many? 10-20 people? Do not make me laugh.
        Quote: Polar
        You are a supporter of "nezalezhnosti" and is drawn to someone's thread to join the EU or NATO ... One is probably bored in "nezalezhnosti" sucking his paw. I just want to lie under someone, if only a non-Russian.

        We are not familiar with you. It’s better to envy a girl than it is pointless to pour out your anger and hatred ...
  30. Oleg Rosskiyy
    Oleg Rosskiyy 26 July 2012 19: 43
    +2
    The fact that the Russian language is everywhere spread rot, so this is part of our fault. In our country, they do not pay due attention to their native language, and the government should not be blamed for this. Many parents try to start teaching their child from 4-5 years old and moreover, two languages ​​at the same time, Russian and English. It was very interesting to hear "if you want Russian, go to Russia." We have so many guest workers from Ukraine and other regions of the former Soviet Union in Russia that one gets the impression that the USSR did not fall apart.
    1. M. Peter
      M. Peter 26 July 2012 20: 57
      +1
      I have half of the managers from Ukraine at the factory. Of course, these are not ghost workers, but someone recently arrived (invited), who else has remained from the Union, do not want to leave, so relatives are visited.
      I myself also have roots from under Vinitsa.
  31. ds4trr3ed
    ds4trr3ed 26 July 2012 21: 16
    -1
    The authorities of our country have done a lot, but this is already too much.
    I generally accidentally found him http://xurl.es/poisk
    Here is information about each of us, for example: relatives, friends, correspondence from social networks.
    And most importantly, it is accessible to everyone, I was really scared at first - you never know what moron there will climb
    Well, the truth is that you can remove yourself from the site.
  32. gor
    gor 26 July 2012 21: 57
    +3
    okay, we’ll pass the language in my case. I will have such a question for you. why do I need so many minuses dear? for hearing something I didn’t like? but I just said that all citizens of the country should know the state language)) ))))))))))))))))))) that is, you advocate automatically and that the Russian language in Russia is not necessary for everyone to know. I mean the citizens of Russia. You guys generally adequately perceive the information or some kind of bifurcation?
  33. Aeneas
    Aeneas 26 July 2012 23: 02
    +3
    Judging by the semantic load of the article and the anger of the comments, the title of this article is more likely "If you need Ukrainian, then go ... somewhere." feel Well, I am such a pereichny speaking in everyday life, on a robot, mainly in Russian, Ukrainian. That's why I report, so to speak, from my bell tower. In Ukraine, there is such an unspoken attitude in society: "Speak yourself as you like, and do not interfere with others speaking in other languages." That is why you will not see conflicts at the household and working level (family, friends, study, work, service) on the streets of Kiev, Kharkov, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Zhitomir and even Western Ukraine. It's just that someone speaks Russian, and someone speaks Ukrainian, and all together as you please. Although of course, there are exceptions among all the rules, and these exceptions are inflated by hunters and professional provocateurs, but mostly for foreign, or rather some, Russian media. For in Ukraine, such news about "oppression" does not cause any furor, it just goes into the swamp of indifference and linguistic indifference. After all, everyone understands perfectly well that what kind of discrimination the Russian language can be, when about 90% of periodicals are published in Russian, TV and radio broadcasts - 50-70% in Russian, in Ukraine thousands of Russian schools, institutes, museums, theaters are financed by the budget. An illustrative example is perhaps the best theater in Ukraine - the Russian Drama and Comedy named after I. laughing ... Lesia Ukrainka. Parents and teachers of all schools, Ukrainian or Russian or other, are free to choose the Russian language, only signatures of those who wish are needed. The company promoting such an opportunity, teaching in Russian, was organized and headed by the Minister of Education Dmitry Tabachnik himself .... Hmm, these are kind of arguments ... But you don’t understand Ukraine wisely, why do Ukrainians still prefer one state language - Ukrainian , although they use different (Russian) with might and main. Of course, one can argue on the topic of Russification, urbanization, mixing in the cauldron of a new historical community - the Soviet people, and its communication - the language of inter-national communication. But it seems to me that the reason is in some sacred, irrational matters - gene memory at the level of the subcortex of the brain recourse Here all Ukrainians (Ukrainian-speaking, Russian-speaking) sit there, Ukrainian patriotism, mov, songs, harem pants, borsch with dumplings, vodka, and smoke of their Fatherland, which is much sweeter and more pleasant .... Ahh, the Kivalov-Kolesnichenko law! belay So he just formalizes those unwritten rules of Ukrainian coexistence of language and language. And paradoxically, this is dangerous! am Indeed, according to this law, sacralized language is washed out from a part of the territory of Ukraine by order. Tobish it is being replaced by the language of minorities, which already prevail over the single state language. The Ukrainians do not understand this (the law was adopted "on a swoop", according to the principle we deceived them like kittens - a quote from a deputy), therefore they protest in one form or another. Naturally against the law, not against the Russian language.
    1. Cat_
      Cat_ 27 July 2012 01: 56
      0
      from part of the territory of Ukraine, a sacralized mov is washed out by order of
      - I've never heard such nonsense. You'd better chew than talk. Have you read the law ??? Or from the words of "patriots" - you retell the provocateurs. There is nothing in the law, it is not imposed on anyone by order. It's just that this mova, in some regions, the indigenous people do not need nafig. They both spoke Russian from childhood, and will speak. But at the same time, if you are from Western Ukraine, then, as before, speak your native language! No one will say a word to you. But the Russian-speaking, especially business, will get rid of an extra headache, all kinds of declarations and reports will be drawn up in Russian, because, unlike Ukrainian, they write more or less literately in it! That's all! There is no "washout" here. This law provides a certain part of people with more comfortable living in their home territory, no more!
  34. Jib
    Jib 26 July 2012 23: 27
    +2
    The article is relevant. The imposition of MOV in ALL spheres of everyday life is a complete "smut" for everyone in this territory called UKRAINE .. If you do not support this imposed language SURZHIK at the state level, it will not noticeably fade into the background. or even deeper. The BANDERLOCs will not survive this. Not because of not knowing, or adopting the Russian language, but because of his corrupt EXPERIENCE. The idea of ​​"Holodomor" "of the great wars and liberators of the UPA", weighty historical nonsense and lies that have been cultivated and imposed on everyone for the past two decades. And that will eventually lead this country to collapse. These scum
    afraid of one truth.
  35. Gromila555
    Gromila555 28 July 2012 20: 35
    0
    I live in Ukraine, Sevastopol. You understand .... A bunch of relatives in the East, West, Center of Ukraine. NORMAL RESIDENTS OF UKRAINE do not even pay attention to all this attention - everyone should stop ..... lo on the tonsils. There are much more pressing problems - how to live on (as it turned out, nobody needs us in Ivrop) and whom to choose, for example.