The developer spoke about the new armored car "VPK-Ural"

The developer spoke about the new armored car "VPK-Ural"

The newest Russian multipurpose armored car VPK-Ural, developed by the Military-Industrial Company, is undergoing a preliminary test phase. Despite this, according to the director general of VPK Alexander Krasovitsky, one copy of this car has already been delivered to a foreign customer.


The car is undergoing preliminary tests, moreover, we have already sold one car abroad. At the request of the customer, we made it a little smaller - with a crew of eight people

- said Krasovitsky, without naming the country where the armored car was delivered.

The VPK General Director explained that VPK-Ural is largely unified with the Athlete armored car, while VPK-Ural is cheaper than this promising model.

The armored car "VPK-Ural" was first presented at the international military-technical forum "Army-2019". Wheel formula - 4x4, weight - 14 500 kg. Length - 6 500 mm, width - 2 550 mm, height - 2 800 mm. Ground clearance - 400 mm. Installed domestic YaMZ-536 turbodiesel, developing a capacity of 360 horsepower. The maximum speed is 100 km / h, the range is declared at 1000 km.

VPK-Ural is designed to carry 12 people in full gear. Mine protection provides protection against an explosive device equivalent to six kilograms of TNT. Special anti-traumatic seats with seat belts are installed. Armament is set depending on the tasks to be solved.

According to military experts, the advantage of this armored car is the use of components and parts of serial equipment in its design, which significantly reduces the cost of its production, as well as the operation in the army.
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  1. Mountain shooter 11 March 2020 09: 37 New
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    6 kg of TNT is very solid. And not a word about armor protection. Holds a rifle? It is unlikely that a large caliber, the wrong class of car.
    1. Insurgent 11 March 2020 09: 41 New
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      More photos of the car.

      https://ria.ru/20200311/1568411658.html

    2. svp67 11 March 2020 09: 58 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      6 kg of TNT is very solid.

      Well, finally with the "Lynx" caught up ...
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And not a word about armor protection. Holds a rifle?

      Like the Tiger, apparently the class of armor resistance - at the request of the customer ...

      1. asura 11 March 2020 12: 30 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Well, finally with the "Lynx" caught up ...

        That's just the Lynx weighs 2,2 times less. Not mastered then still the bottom with crumpled elements in this company. Or do not want to overpower ...
        1. illi 11 March 2020 16: 40 New
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          Yes, here most likely the customer in the person of Moscow Oblast needs cheap and cheerful. He was already presented with protected samples. They say that the customer is fucked up by the price and said inappropriately (although they buy from Kamaz, apparently there is a furry paw). So the Urals is trying to reduce the cost as much as possible. And you can reduce the price only on the basis of a serial chassis. And consequently, all this mine protection is not originally designed, but hung on a serial chassis. And you should not expect miracles from her.
          1. PROXOR 12 March 2020 10: 09 New
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            Fine. It will be less than throwing mattresses off the road when they again try to block the GAZ Tiger.
          2. Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 14: 37 New
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            Quote: illi
            They say that the customer is fucked up by the price and said inappropriately (although they buy from Kamaz, apparently there is a furry paw).

            Kamaz has not only a paw, but normal designers - they almost without any experience in designing armored vehicles made 4 excellent armored vehicles, a cat, in a short time. TTX is a cut above that of the BTR-82 (in 6x6 variants) and the Tiger with the Lynx (4x4, respectively). Yes, and Typhoon-K in the 6x6 version has already been released in two hundred, Typhunyat (4x4) - more than a hundred have been made and contracted, Typhoon-Airborne Forces (Wolverine) - also about a hundred. Despite the fact that the total demand in 2008 - 2010 was estimated at 2000 cars.
            1. illi 14 June 2020 16: 36 New
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              Well, yes, yes, yes, ingenious KAMAZ models. That KAMAZ in a decade has already plastered over a dozen options. And which are almost not in the troops. Something the Ministry of Defense does not share your enthusiasm. And the guard grew not interested. But tigers and armored personnel carriers are the main workhorses of the army.
              1. Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 17: 31 New
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                Quote: illi
                That KAMAZ in a decade has already plastered over a dozen options.

                Yeah, no :))) Typhoon-K 6х6 has already been delivered more than two hundred and in the 4x4 version it has already been installed and contracted under the second hundred. Moreover, cars not only shine in the frames of parades, but also in Syria and in exercises.
                You are confusing Kamaz with the Urals - the last one in the typhoon family set about a fifty dollars and at least two burned down on marches.
                1. illi 14 June 2020 20: 51 New
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                  IMHO the concept of mrap in a hoodless layout is generally flawed
                  1. Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 21: 03 New
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                    There are the results of the bombing of the hoods from KAMAZ (I threw the link above and the information, in principle, is on the Internet). Yes, and the recognized pioneers in the field of scraps - the Yuarovts - for a long time developed exactly the hoodless branch. At what not without success. So it all depends on the design decisions.
                  2. illi 14 June 2020 21: 25 New
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                    Yes, there are many factors, an asshole explosion is only one of them, although it is also not a plus for kapokotniki. There is an ugly bridge scheme and an engine behind the cockpit (I believe that the armored capsule should be connected to the cockpit). And even aesthetics, Kamaz typhoon is really a freak.
    3. Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 14: 32 New
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      With a weight of 14,5 tons - rather steel 7,62 mm, as in 4x4 Typhoons and Athletes.
  2. Nadsor 11 March 2020 09: 37 New
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    The car is undergoing preliminary tests, moreover, we have already sold one car abroad.

    Found something to brag about .. Just to sell eh Russia.
    Our soldiers and officers in many parts still ride on UAZ cars .. And you are immediately for sale.
    1. Mountain shooter 11 March 2020 09: 44 New
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      Quote: Nadsor
      Our soldiers and officers in many parts still ride in UAZ

      When they don’t shoot, I would also prefer the UAZ. The same "rogue" ... famous. And armor is needed where it is needed. It’s worth saving fuel. And a resource.
      1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 09: 57 New
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        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        When they don’t shoot, I would also prefer the UAZ. The same "rogue" ... famous.

        I love this car for its unpretentiousness and simplicity .. But the time is different now and the soldiers need to be protected ..
        Few of us are real .. soldier
        But the TTX is not bad, and our engine .. Speed ​​and range of 1 km This is what we need for our Russian open spaces!
        1. Aerodrome 11 March 2020 10: 11 New
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          Quote: Nadsor
          Few of us are real ..

          ridiculed the "mihan" ... well done.
        2. Thrall 11 March 2020 10: 23 New
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          Quote: Nadsor
          Few of us are real ..

          Coronavirus mows? smile
          1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 10: 34 New
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            Quote: Thrall
            Quote: Nadsor
            Few of us are real ..

            Coronavirus mows? smile

            Neoliberals, all worn in masks and do not go to nightclubs in Moscow anymore .. Do not kiss, etc.
            And we have everything as usual in the province, the next flu went with pneumonia (no one died) Children went to school yesterday after quarantine (without masks))))
            Soon to plant potatoes))))
    2. bessmertniy 11 March 2020 09: 48 New
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      Judging by the characteristics, a very worthwhile car. The priority, of course, should be left to complete their aircraft, but where it is possible to sell and not lose, it is worth trading.
    3. smart ass 11 March 2020 09: 53 New
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      Why do we need so many types of armored vehicles, it is better to increase the production of tigers
      1. Piramidon 11 March 2020 13: 56 New
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        Quote: Clever man
        Why do we need so many types of armored vehicles

        So there was plenty to choose from. Tiger is not perfect. They will do something better and launch it into mass production.
    4. Constanty 11 March 2020 09: 56 New
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      Export production is not bad, because it allows the plant to maintain good financial condition and develop opportunities for the production of even better equipment for the armed forces of its own country.
    5. svp67 11 March 2020 10: 04 New
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      Quote: Nadsor
      Our soldiers and officers in many parts still ride on UAZ cars ..

      And that UAZ drives badly? Here you have a "Dutch flag" at the "avatar", Here I have a question, but have you been to Russia for a long time? Have Russian soldiers and officers been seen not only in UAZs, but also in the Tigers and Niva?
      1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 10: 14 New
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        Quote: svp67
        And that UAZ drives badly?

        I wrote above that UAZ really respect the old man, a simple and reliable military machine .. hi
        Quote: svp67
        Here you have a "Dutch flag" at the "avatar", Here I have a question, but have you been to Russia for a long time?

        I live in the Urals Sergey in the deep rear from Moscow)))
        And the flag is wink ..
        Quote: svp67
        Have Russian soldiers and officers been seen not only in UAZs, but also in the Tigers and Niva?

        I haven’t seen it on the Tigers .. Although here we have a border guard for a long time .. And everyone on the UAZ moves .. That's why I was outraged a little hehe
        1. svp67 11 March 2020 10: 18 New
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          Quote: Nadsor
          I wrote above that UAZ really respect the old man, a simple and reliable military machine ..

          Unfortunately or fortunately, it becomes rare
          Quote: Nadsor
          And everyone on the UAZ is moving .. That's why I was indignant a little hehe

          "Tigers" are heavy and expensive, for the "frontier guards" to replace the UAZ need something like "Lynx", is also not a cheap machine, but more compact than the "striped"
          hi
          1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 10: 29 New
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            Quote: svp67
            Unfortunately or fortunately, it becomes rare

            The old UAZs still work and not bad in the outback of Russia .. And not only among the military!
            Quote: svp67
            "Tigers" are heavy and expensive, for the "frontier guards" to replace the UAZ need something like "Lynx", is also not a cheap machine, but more compact than the "striped"

            Well, at least one per outpost, purely psychologically and the population is calmer and the border guards pride in Russia! I consider dangerous directions here .. hi Fight off of course, but ..
            1. svp67 11 March 2020 10: 33 New
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              Quote: Nadsor
              The old UAZs still work and not bad in the outback of Russia .. And not only among the military!

              Civilians, yes, but the army has problems, although they received the Patriots, but this is far from the UAZ
              Quote: Nadsor
              Well, at least one per outpost, purely psychologically and the population is calmer and the border guards pride in Russia!

              "Tiger" is the "half" of the armored personnel carrier, I think that the outposts have "full" armored personnel carriers, in any case they are more appropriate there
              1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 10: 55 New
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                Quote: svp67
                "Tiger" is the "half" of the armored personnel carrier, I think that the outposts have "full" armored personnel carriers, in any case they are more appropriate there

                How many years I look for .. There are no them there! But the foreigners at the border guards are not bad in rows .. That's what Sergey hurts his soul about! And what they are doing there is incomprehensible .. How and what the borders of Russia will be protected to be incomprehensible .. Although there are large hangars .. Keep Kazakh vodka?
                1. svp67 11 March 2020 11: 06 New
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                  Quote: Nadsor
                  .Kazakh vodka stored?

                  I don’t know, I don’t know ... You know better hi
                  1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 12: 51 New
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                    Quote: svp67
                    Quote: Nadsor
                    .Kazakh vodka stored?

                    I don’t know, I don’t know ... You know better hi

                    Hope not ... Just don't show the possibilities! hi
                    Or catch live bait ..
          2. loki565 11 March 2020 11: 39 New
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            Unfortunately or fortunately, it becomes rare

            Like an unarmored car, Patrick is coming, a completely normal car for our conditions.
    6. Galina schreder 11 March 2020 12: 40 New
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      Well, if not in combat conditions, then why not drive an UAZ
      1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 12: 54 New
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        Quote: Galina Schreder
        Well, if not in combat conditions, then why not drive an UAZ

        And why not move in combat? And Galina .. love
        Do you know how to ride UAZ? I would teach you ..
        1. Galina schreder 11 March 2020 13: 54 New
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          Oh, I'm used to the driver. I feel so comfortable hi
  3. Grits 11 March 2020 09: 56 New
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    It seems that every self-respecting company considered it an honor to develop its own armored car. Already from the account you can go astray. Only in the army there is practically nothing but the Tiger, except for single copies
    1. Aerodrome 11 March 2020 10: 12 New
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      Quote: Gritsa
      It seems that every self-respecting company considered it an honor to develop its own armored car. Already from the account you can go astray.

      every six months, a new "armored car" technical assignment or something from the government?
      1. svp67 11 March 2020 10: 28 New
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        Quote: Aerodrome
        every six months, a new "armored car" technical assignment or something from the government?

        And why did you decide that from the government? Such armored cars are very hot commodities now, here are various PRIVATE companies and are trying to make money on it
    2. svp67 11 March 2020 10: 26 New
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      Quote: Gritsa
      Only in the army there is practically nothing but the Tiger, except for single copies

      "Tigers" are far from being single, they are simply not needed everywhere ...
      1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 10: 59 New
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        Quote: svp67
        "Tigers" are far from being single, they are simply not needed everywhere ...

        On the Swamp would be useful ... there again something is planned bully
        1. svp67 11 March 2020 11: 10 New
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          Quote: Nadsor
          On the Swamp would be useful ... there again something is planned

          Yes, and let it be planned ... it is necessary for the people to "let off steam", and the "guards" have enough of their own armored cars ...
          1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 11: 49 New
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            Quote: svp67
            Yes, and let it be planned ... it is necessary for the people to "let off steam", and the "guards" have enough of their own armored cars ...

            Oh, in vain you showed them this. Now a howl about the "bloody regime" will begin, etc. lol
            Good cars, but it’s good to drive the devils .. But liberals need buses of special comfort, on each seat there are handcuffs and shirts for violent ones .. Kasparov how many riot policemen bit? They were treated for a long time later ..))))
            1. svp67 11 March 2020 11: 57 New
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              Quote: Nadsor
              But liberals need buses of special comfort, on each seat there are handcuffs and shirts for violent ..

              Everything is there, down to such ...
              1. Nadsor 11 March 2020 12: 26 New
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                Quote: svp67
                Everything is there, down to such ...

                And even cooler Sergey !!!
                Golden eagle we will not forget an example .. hi
    3. Doliva63 11 March 2020 18: 25 New
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      Quote: Gritsa
      It seems that every self-respecting company considered it an honor to develop its own armored car. Already from the account you can go astray. Only in the army there is practically nothing but the Tiger, except for single copies

      And why are they in the army, except for couriers and couriers? Those, they probably already have. The rest put BMPs with armored personnel carriers.
  4. Graz 11 March 2020 10: 04 New
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    prettier than the athlete, the machine is, in principle, specialized and necessary, whether the issue will go into the series, the Moscow Region has neither Boomerang nor Kurganets with Armata, so they are unlikely to find this unit either
    1. Doliva63 11 March 2020 18: 20 New
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      Quote: Graz
      prettier than the athlete, the machine is, in principle, specialized and necessary, whether the issue will go into the series, the Moscow Region has neither Boomerang nor Kurganets with Armata, so they are unlikely to find this unit either

      Why are they MO? To replace the BMP / BTR, or what? laughing
      1. Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 14: 42 New
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        In addition: security, reconnaissance, transportation - cheaper, more resources, easier to install equipment. Yes, and any light brigades as a replacement for armored personnel carriers (the benefit of the individual options 12,7-14,5 in the forehead and 7,62 calmly kept) can be used.
        1. Doliva63 14 June 2020 19: 59 New
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          Quote: Blackgrifon
          In addition: security, reconnaissance, transportation - cheaper, more resources, easier to install equipment. Yes, and any light brigades as a replacement for armored personnel carriers (the benefit of the individual options 12,7-14,5 in the forehead and 7,62 calmly kept) can be used.

          And in battle formations go, if what?
          1. Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 20: 06 New
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            Why not? If used together with heavy armored vehicles and with the support of artillery.
            At all the latest exercises and demonstrations with the participation of assault sappers, they used Typhoon-K 6x6 as a bolt. And given that the latter holds 14,5 mm in the forehead, this is not a bad prospect. And BMDshki in their protective characteristics are inferior to modern domestic serial armored cars.
            No, I agree that it is impossible to hit in extremes and this is not a panacea, but they can perform many functions of armored personnel carriers.
            Only all my statements do not concern VPK-Ural, but typhoons and athlete.
            1. Doliva63 14 June 2020 20: 11 New
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              Quote: Blackgrifon
              Why not? If used together with heavy armored vehicles and with the support of artillery.
              At all the latest exercises and demonstrations with the participation of assault sappers, they used Typhoon-K 6x6 as a bolt. And given that the latter holds 14,5 mm in the forehead, this is not a bad prospect. And BMDshki in their protective characteristics are inferior to modern domestic serial armored cars.
              No, I agree that it is impossible to hit in extremes and this is not a panacea, but they can perform many functions of armored personnel carriers.
              Only all my statements do not concern VPK-Ural, but typhoons and athlete.

              This windshield holds 14,5 ?! belay
              1. Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 20: 13 New
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                According to kr.mere the developer declares so. But 12,7, I think, at a distance it keeps for sure.
                1. Doliva63 14 June 2020 20: 20 New
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                  Quote: Blackgrifon
                  According to kr.mere the developer declares so. But 12,7, I think, at a distance it keeps for sure.

                  Which one? No, this is not serious. If they could make such glass, they would not have steamed this bullshit of the Russian army, but would have sold glass around the world. I had to shoot with DShKM for 1000 with something - an armored personnel carrier would fly right through; with KPVT slightly less than 1000 m. - a two-story house in ruins. When almost 15 cm of concrete - nothing, what glass ?! wassat
              2. Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 20: 16 New
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                Correction, on our site they write that it was at first, but then reduced to 7,62 mm.
                https://topwar.ru/67951-broneavtomobil-kamaz-63968-tayfun.html
                1. Doliva63 14 June 2020 20: 25 New
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                  Quote: Blackgrifon
                  Correction, on our site they write that it was at first, but then reduced to 7,62 mm.
                  https://topwar.ru/67951-broneavtomobil-kamaz-63968-tayfun.html

                  This is another matter! So - for the APC with the BMP! drinks
                  1. Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 20: 34 New
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                    So, I do not argue about the BMP, but the functions of the BTR (and BRDM) are quite convenient, relatively safe and the resource is not small :)
                    1. Doliva63 14 June 2020 20: 49 New
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                      Quote: Blackgrifon
                      So, I do not argue about the BMP, but the functions of the BTR (and BRDM) are quite convenient, relatively safe and the resource is not small :)

                      Will the infantry squad fully fit into this machine? And what would the loopholes be, and that would be able to land as decent as possible? Then we will discuss drinks As for the BRDM-2, there were already 8 wheels there, I do not remember the case that he “sat down” somewhere. Small, silent, fast. Scout good I just didn’t use all these Tigers and Typhoons, maybe they are no worse. But annoying, for example, that there is no option to close the glass with armor. And 4 wheels - not enough for rough terrain. And yes, 14,5 in the tower - this was a solid argument laughing
                      1. Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 21: 01 New
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                        I agree with you, but at the expense of the landing, the new items that now began to arrive include:
                        - K-63968 up to 3 + 14 people.
                        - K-53949 - up to 10 people
                        - Typhoon Airborne - up to 8 people. + he BM-30 with 30 mm 2A42 carries.
                        Yes, and the whole trinity can be equipped with Crossbows with a pool m Kord.
                        BRDMki, it seems, are now getting rid of 4 wheels during modernization.

                        And at the expense of patency, KAMAZ, of course, it’s customary to scold, but I didn’t hear much from my friends about the patency of their army trucks, and the reputation of the plant itself in terms of patency deserves respect.

                        But you are right, wait and see. :)
  5. pmkemcity 11 March 2020 10: 09 New
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    And what our people just can’t think of, so as not to make a normal passenger car.
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      1. Aerodrome 11 March 2020 10: 16 New
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        Quote: Aerodrome
        Quote: pmkemcity
        And what our people just can’t think of, so as not to make a normal passenger car.

        "Kamaz" is also so-so "ours"

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        Quote: Aerodrome
        "Kamaz" is also so-so "ours"

        Everything that is modified by “our” file is considered “ours”.
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  6. bald 11 March 2020 10: 16 New
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    But surely the Urals are with other broniks too, well, you can’t confuse them either. Miass in his repertoire, cars tested for decades.
    1. Katanikotael 11 March 2020 16: 38 New
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      The only difference from the typhoon airborne in the form of a hood, even the performance characteristics of one in one.
      1. bald 11 March 2020 18: 43 New
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        By a kind of hood, he is recognized immediately. And the very first cars the Urals, even my uncle conducted tests in the 70s, starting with the US test site and ending with a run from Moscow to the Far East and back. good
  7. NERV 11 March 2020 10: 20 New
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    one copy of this vehicle has already been delivered to a foreign customer

    Probably delivered to Ukraine.
  8. sanik2020 11 March 2020 10: 49 New
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    An armored car and its characteristics, in our time you will not surprise anyone, the quality of weapons and military equipment is checked by war. Probably Syria will run in soon, then it will be possible to evaluate.
  9. Sergey Medvedev 11 March 2020 11: 06 New
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    14,5 tons on 4 wheels? It's only on the asphalt ride! For comparison, the BTR-70 - 11 tons on 8 wheels, BMP-1 - 13 tons on the goose, BMP-2 13,6 tons on the goose. Off-road this armored car will be waiting for the tow truck. And for police tasks will do.
    1. asura 11 March 2020 12: 17 New
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      Yes, it will stall on any hill with an engine of 360 hp and a weight of 15 tons, even when driving on roads. As well as the previous subdivisions of this company. In Syria, it’s not because of a good life in the UAZ that they cut open, stall all these “miracle machines” and break down.
      1. Oleg 1968 11 March 2020 13: 13 New
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        Do not tell, the Urals 4320 11 tons, dviglo still KAMAZ 240hp (empty with kung). Try to "argue" with him on the road. I worked on it in my youth for 5 years, and a little before that, on a 375 fuel tanker in the army at the training ground. And what kind of slides I drove on it (the first car in the winter after snowfalls and clearing on the Georgian Military Road, snow on the mirrors). Sorry, but learn the materiel
        1. asura 11 March 2020 14: 49 New
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          You can send your wife to learn the materiel. I know the opinion of the direct operators of such machines in combat conditions (even lighter tigers), and that there who drove in youth somehow violet.
          1. Oleg 1968 11 March 2020 15: 47 New
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            Someone said, heard stories, this is from a series of OBS. I provided you with information about the operation of a car with similar performance characteristics.
  10. awg75 11 March 2020 11: 44 New
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    as I understand it, such a large lineup so that when the real “Hour" comes, the maximum amount of equipment from different manufacturers could enter the troops. one plant just can not cope.
    1. Doliva63 11 March 2020 18: 14 New
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      as I understand it, such a large lineup so that when the real “Hour" comes, the maximum amount of equipment from different manufacturers could enter the troops. one plant just can not cope.

      Time “H” is when the causal organs of the tank driver’s mechanic (BMP) are already above the trench of the enemy’s first line of defense. Will it be too late? laughing In stock, of course, there is still the whole day "D", but still - "late to rush" laughing
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  12. senima56 11 March 2020 14: 12 New
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    There are a lot of developments, like .... But you see the programs in the Army, at best, the Tigers! And where are these "new developments" ?! Window dressing ?! It’s like with an “army pistol”: already the PL-15 and the “Boa constrictor” were tested and adopted, and in the Army they went with PMs like that ....
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    BRDM 2 is 2 times lighter, faster, lower by half a meter, taking into account the tower with KPVT, well armed. Lower ground clearance is compensated by an additional wheel. Maybe it’s time to stop making a fool of yourself, trying to copy a technique that is alien to us, and to take our tested one as the basis?
    1. Graz 11 March 2020 19: 09 New
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      Why is this junk? It does not protect against armor and no one from undermining
      and this is a specialized machine with mine protection, at least 200-300 of these machines must be in place, in Syria, such machines are needed or would have been useful in Chechnya earlier
      1. Doliva63 12 March 2020 17: 15 New
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        Quote: Graz
        Why is this junk? It does not protect against armor and no one from undermining
        and this is a specialized machine with mine protection, at least 200-300 of these machines must be in place, in Syria, such machines are needed or would have been useful in Chechnya earlier

        Did I really suggest setting up the release of BRDM 2? belay I suggested not stupidly copy the West, but to develop new equipment for the troops, taking into account my own very successful experience. And who needs these miracles in the army? "At least 200-300" - for whom? Everyone who is supposed to have the equipment has a regular one. Well, except for police operations, but this is not about the army. Let me remind you that the military is ordered to constantly and continuously conduct all types of intelligence, including engineering, and engineering support, thank God, is enough in the troops. Remember the "epic" with the Terminators - then, too, many who have nothing to do with the army, with foam at the mouth, proved their need for the army, and what, did they put a lot of them into the army? The same case will also be here - couriers and policemen will sit on these miracles, and that’s all.
        1. Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 14: 47 New
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          Quote: Doliva63
          The same case will also be here - couriers and policemen will sit on these miracles, and that’s all.

          So why are they bad? The cross is good, the armor is better than on the BTR-60/70/80/82, ergonomics at altitude. Already part of the scouts ride on typhoons + they made a Wolverine with 2A42 + the same Wolverine in the variant Drok with a mortar + mountain shooters deliver + the orderlies have already ordered 30 + the military police.
          And they are not going to replace them with BMPs, but are bought in addition.
          Moreover, the troops have experience of active and successful use of armored vehicles - the same BA-64s were actively used throughout the Second World War at the forefront and during the assaults on populated points.
          And then, almost all the conflicts since the Korean era are somehow related to mobility and / or the struggle against the partisan and bandit movement.
          1. Doliva63 14 June 2020 20: 02 New
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            Quote: Blackgrifon
            Quote: Doliva63
            The same case will also be here - couriers and policemen will sit on these miracles, and that’s all.

            So why are they bad? The cross is good, the armor is better than on the BTR-60/70/80/82, ergonomics at altitude. Already part of the scouts ride on typhoons + they made a Wolverine with 2A42 + the same Wolverine in the variant Drok with a mortar + mountain shooters deliver + the orderlies have already ordered 30 + the military police.
            And they are not going to replace them with BMPs, but are bought in addition.
            Moreover, the troops have experience of active and successful use of armored vehicles - the same BA-64s were actively used throughout the Second World War at the forefront and during the assaults on populated points.
            And then, almost all the conflicts since the Korean era are somehow related to mobility and / or the struggle against the partisan and bandit movement.

            If the firs are not going to replace the BMP with them, then where will they be mailed to the state, I wonder? In general, a useful trifle, no more.
            1. Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 20: 08 New
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              I agree. But BMP cannot be replaced by them. But the armored personnel carriers - quite, the more so because the promising armored personnel carriers Boomerang are not much inferior in performance characteristics to BMP Kurganets, but at a price that is clearly more expensive than the BTR-80/82.
  14. Metlik 11 March 2020 22: 41 New
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    Sold one piece? Not to China, by any chance?