“This is not a court, but a concert with fake notes”: Germany comments on the MH17 trial


Boeing cabin after laying out in the Netherlands



The German press publishes materials related to the trial that began in the Netherlands in the case of the Malaysian Boeing shot down in 2014. The newspaper Die Zeit writes that the prosecutor Berger, speaking in the courthouse, accused Russia of "serious interference in the process that led to the plane being shot down."

The material in the German publication says that "witnesses in this case fear for their lives." A quote from the speech of the prosecution is given:

Hackers tried to attack the computers of investigators. There are fears that Russia will be able to put pressure on witnesses. Some of them are afraid for life if we reveal their names.

A convenient excuse: "There are witnesses, but we will not say anything about them, since they are afraid for their lives, but everyone should believe their testimonies."
prosecutor:

There were attempts to hack Malaysian systems by hackers.

Prosecutor Voey Tsoi:

The cynical disinformation campaign about the fate of flight MH17, which has been going on for more than five years, is a heavy burden for many relatives. Russia systematically hides information on this case.


Articles about the MH17 trial are actively commented on by European users. Present a few comments in Die Zeit.

Russia cleaned up unnecessary people abroad. Therefore, the fear of witnesses is truly understandable, and witness protection is the only way to guarantee the rule of law.

The answer to this comment is:
If the witnesses are anonymous and the evidence is not published for reasons of confidentiality, the whole process is a farce and a mockery of the victims.

A few other comments with different assessments of the situation.

What about the investigation data from private detective Royce. This court does not seem to be interested in the truth.

Russia lacks the courage to admit the commission of a big mistake.

Listen, but if we are not in Russia, where the government can afford to order the results, then why are the judges only Dutch? What does the Dutch government have to do with the MH17 investigation. And where is the international composition: Australia, Malaysia, Ukraine, representatives of the international investigation team?

This is not a court, but some kind of concert with fake notes.
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  1. rocket757 11 March 2020 07: 29 New
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    Before the Germans, the especially strong “bamboo” still did not seem to have been brought up ... but in an adequate state it is useless to look at a Dutch court.
    1. Insurgent 11 March 2020 07: 50 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      especially strong "bamboo"

      Not "bamboo", but "Buk".
      And who ever told you that the militia could not have Bukovs?
      In Syria, on the other hand - “Armor”, ride, but are we red?

      1. rocket757 11 March 2020 08: 00 New
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        And who ever told you that the militia could not have Bukovs?

        But this is just known, it was claimed by the dill military themselves. It was an OFFICIAL statement, official! How not to believe it.
        1. Insurgent 11 March 2020 08: 02 New
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          Quote: rocket757

          But this is just known, it was claimed by the dill military themselves. It was an OFFICIAL statement, official! How not to believe it.

          Why respond so seriously to a comment written with vigorous sarcasm? belay laughing
          1. rocket757 11 March 2020 08: 27 New
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            Question - answer, nothing personal!
            1. Tatyana 11 March 2020 10: 14 New
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              To be honest, the very BEGINNING of the LITIGATION in the Netherlands on the eve of preparations for the celebration of the 75th anniversary of Victory Day on May 9 during the Second World War / WWII it is already suspicious as an INTENTIONAL (orchestrated from the outside) anti-Soviet-anti-Russian PROVOCATION against modern Russia as the successor to the USSR.

              Ask me why the judicial farce in the Netherlands began precisely in March, and not in April?
              Yes, because the provocation against Russia deliberately demonized by the West / Netherlands against Russia by May 9 would gain its negative momentum for NATO / US countries in world public opinion.
              1. rocket757 11 March 2020 10: 26 New
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                Quote: Tatiana
                because the deliberate demonization of Russia by the West against Russia by May 9 gained its negative momentum in NATO countries in NATO countries.

                In general, all these events are evaluated differently in those countries.
                People with a critical type of thinking, and just sane are everywhere !!! And they at least neigh over all this "circus". However, after all, we also have every kind of thing that does not want to know anything, except that they are broadcast from over the hill!
                We just need to deal with OUR country and put our interests everywhere and always ahead of everything else! The country will be strong, people in the country will get CONFIDENCE in their future ... these circumstances can be rolled out for everyone to see !!! Then they will be drawn to us, and on any dirt from the side will be pf - e.
                Eh, dreams, dreams ... but for now we have or will have us. That's how it is.
                1. Shurik70 11 March 2020 13: 54 New
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                  When there was a trial of Milosevic, it was also a production.
                  The court refused to hear defense witnesses. He refused to take into account the evidence of the lies of prosecution witnesses. But even so he could not defeat Milosevic, who had a law degree and defended himself.
                  And then he "suddenly died", and the body was instantly cremated immediately after the prison doctor recorded death "for natural reasons."
                  So Europeans don't get used to it
                  1. rocket757 11 March 2020 14: 18 New
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                    As I understand it, Russia is not going to extradite them to anyone, but with their witnesses they can do whatever they want, they can make their testimony even eternal ... there are methods.
                    You won’t wait for the truth, but look at the circus from the side ... why not, we aren’t able to cancel it, tickets have already been sold, we’ll manage the counter-labels and the gallery, it’s not painful in the front ranks ... it’s pretty fun.
                    1. Alex Nevs 12 March 2020 09: 03 New
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                      This will always happen while we look in ..... a trap. So we got it. Faster to accept amendments, etch this drop in ....., foreign accounts and parachutes, and all under the guideline for "State Tasks".
                      1. rocket757 12 March 2020 09: 15 New
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                        It will always happen

                        This fact is not encouraging, but .... to repel "our servants of the people" from foreign Wishlist and property, even the "big dad" does not work (if it was absolutely nothing?) ....
                        so what are the prospects ??? ... there is no prospect there.
              2. Olgovich 11 March 2020 11: 47 New
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                Quote: Tatiana
                Yes, because the provocation against Russia deliberately demonized by the West / Netherlands against Russia by May 9 would gain its negative momentum for NATO / US countries in world public opinion.

                It may well be!

                Although in the West, few remember the 75th anniversary of the Victory, it is an Event for us, but for them ....

                I liked the so-called statement. the prosecutor’s gall Choi that the ANONYMOUS witness at Buk, “heard” during the launch of a missile ...... characteristic RUSSIAN ACCENT the soldiers of the calculation. lol laughing


                This is her .... "proof." fool

                And unbeknownst to this now explicit tabilka that the RUSSIAN ACCENT is NORMAL in those parts, unlike the Ukrainian, that would be suspicious ....
                1. Tatyana 11 March 2020 12: 12 New
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                  For example, I don’t understand how this "witness" could hear a speech at all in the roar of a shot during missile launch, not to mention the "Russian accent"?
                  And how in general did this “witness” turn out to be, or could be, close to the “Buk” fulfilling the target during the launch of the rocket? At what distance from the “Buk” was he at the same time?

                  What nonsense? How much money did the “witness” receive for this “diarrhea” from the customers in this perjury?
                  1. Kerensky 11 March 2020 16: 26 New
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                    not to mention the "Russian accent"?

                    Where did he hear it before that he could confidently identify?
                  2. Vladimir Udovichenko 11 March 2020 19: 20 New
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                    It is most striking that this "witness" shot everything on the phone. Can you imagine?
                2. Simargl 11 March 2020 20: 07 New
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                  Quote: Olgovich
                  I liked the so-called statement. the prosecutor’s goal, Choi that the ANONYMOUS witness at Buk, “heard” during the launch of a missile ...... a characteristic RUSSIAN ACCENT for a soldier of calculation.
                  The witness testified in pure Russian, without an accent, because He is a native Russian speaker, speaks a little Khokhloma, understands a few words in English. drinks
                  ... or so: he is a native speaker of the Russian language, in Khokhloma, he has less wisdom than he speaks in English wassat
              3. Simargl 11 March 2020 20: 12 New
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                Quote: Tatiana
                INTENTIONAL (externally directed) anti-Soviet-anti-Russian PROVOCATION
                In general, it seems to me that some forces in the West are trying to revive Nazism. For what? You can understand: in particular, in order to resist migrants (so that people don’t wear it, but wear them on a pitchfork) ... they don’t understand what they are playing with ...
        2. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 09: 52 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          But this is just known, it was claimed by the dill military themselves.

          That's for sure, the whole crazy world believes, only theirs "noise".
          1. rocket757 11 March 2020 10: 06 New
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            We don’t believe it, we mean it, otherwise we have it, then we see it!
            By the way, they even presented photo materials, of the only "Buk" that was not evacuated .... it was completely different from a workable installation. It was required, at least factory, overhaul ... about this, no one, never stated that it was carried out.
            So sho on this topic not to believe, there was no reason.
            1. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 10: 10 New
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              Quote: rocket757

              We don’t believe it, we mean it, otherwise we have it, then we see it!
              By the way, they even presented photo materials, of the only "Buk" that was not evacuated .... it was completely different from a workable installation.

              It would be better if the anti-aircraft gun of the Second World War was dragged from the museum to the court, and hung on Putin.
              1. rocket757 11 March 2020 10: 15 New
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                Oh, there the "independents" have piled so much of every thing that they can even blame our deceased leaders !!! In addition to the "sweet couple", tagged and drunk .... those are holy to them!
                1. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 10: 42 New
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                  Quote: rocket757
                  Oh, there the "independents" have piled so much of every thing that they can even blame our deceased leaders!

                  Yes, if necessary, they will accuse Christ of heresy.
                  1. rocket757 11 March 2020 11: 09 New
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                    Oh, about him I forgot .....
                    Interestingly, but they have not repainted it in rainbow colors yet?
                    And then after all, even marriages n and strange in the church began to be illuminated!
                    That's where the complete MARRIAGE, the ultimate!
                    1. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 11: 20 New
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                      Quote: rocket757
                      Interestingly, but they have not repainted it in rainbow colors yet?

                      If you repainted yourself, then it will be repainted.
                      1. rocket757 11 March 2020 11: 34 New
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                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        If you repainted yourself, then it will be repainted.

                        Oh yeah, the White House has already been "repainted", so the "leaders" in every d dguano ... No wonder Trump (normal) did not want to live there ... it seems his sense of smell can not stand it.
    2. atalef 11 March 2020 07: 52 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Before the Germans, the especially strong “bamboo” still did not seem to be brought up

      Quote: Strashila
      It's simple, the German government does not want to bear consolidated responsibility for the killing of these people

      Actually, someone read what Die Zeit newspaper writes?
      There are no words about false notes.
      How beautifully the text is turned upside down, and read carefully - well, why, the title is.
      A few other comments with different assessments of the situation.
      What about the investigation data from private detective Royce. This court does not seem to be interested in the truth.
      Listen, but if we are not in Russia, where the government can afford to order the results, then why are the judges only Dutch?
      What does the Dutch government have to do with the MH17 investigation. And where is the international composition: Australia, Malaysia, Ukraine, representatives of the international investigation team?
      This is not a court, but some kind of concert with fake notes.

      some other comments
      HMMMMMM ????
      and where did the comments come from?
      What connection do they have to the article?
      Are they present in the text of the article?
      That's how fakes are beautifully created.
      And the people are underway.
      1. rocket757 11 March 2020 08: 05 New
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        So even the "bamboo" does not take us, no fortress !!! We’ll make fun of it as we can \ I want ....
        Are you really ready to consider all media reports? It can smoke at first, no matter what is more substantial, stimulate perception, tc!
        1. bessmertniy 11 March 2020 08: 14 New
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          If we consider all the nonsense that appeared on the Boeing on social networks, then the judges secured an income of 300 years ahead, and can continue the process as much as they like. negative Apparently, they found a vein from which you can pull money. what
          1. rocket757 11 March 2020 08: 29 New
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            Quote: bessmertniy
            Apparently, they found a vein from which you can pull money.

            Judges, even on official, do not live badly! And if they also throw soldiers on the “bamboo”, oooh! They will live high!
            1. cniza 11 March 2020 09: 17 New
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              And it’s been provided for so many years ... and nothing needs to be done, everything has already been decided.
              Greetings! hi
              1. rocket757 11 March 2020 09: 33 New
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                Well, with a buzz, you can’t forbid life!
                Hi soldier
                A lot of different "funny" around! It seems that the harvest of especially vigorous "bamboo" was taken and he went in, there are many!
                1. cniza 11 March 2020 09: 41 New
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                  In my opinion, they already spray nonsense from an airplane, over Europe, otherwise it doesn’t take away ...
                  1. rocket757 11 March 2020 09: 55 New
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                    Quote: cniza
                    In my opinion, they already spray nonsense from an airplane, over Europe, otherwise it doesn’t take away ...

                    By what methods they did it, it doesn’t matter anymore ... the geyropa entered the state of midday \ U \ ri for a long time and thoroughly!
                    1. cniza 11 March 2020 09: 58 New
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                      There is a master who regulates these processes and keeps everything under control.
                      1. rocket757 11 March 2020 10: 11 New
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                        This is aha, keeps a finger on the pulse ... and if the patient tries to wake up, then hezh injects a dose of an ode \ P \ ina!
      2. Moon 11 March 2020 08: 30 New
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        Quote: atalef
        That's how fakes are beautifully created.
        And the people are underway.

        The art of capturing attention with a headline.
        old trick ..
        as in the joke about Rabinovich and win / lose
      3. Alexey Polyutkin 11 March 2020 09: 47 New
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        Does the online version of the article with reader comments not fit into your paper world? How did you leave a comment under this article? Maybe you think that Zeit comes out on paper?
      4. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 10: 13 New
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        Quote: atalef
        and where did the comments come from?
        What connection do they have to the article?
        Are they present in the text of the article?
        That's how fakes are beautifully created.
        And the people are underway.

        Well, if the "scam" and "thimbles" are underway, then they will definitely be led here. (I do not mean all, but free game players).
    3. NIKN 11 March 2020 09: 31 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      in adequate condition it is useless to look at a Dutch court.

      I already wrote something like that. This is not judgment, this is coven. Well, an understanding of sacred rites and spells is available only to participants in the Sabbath
      1. rocket757 11 March 2020 09: 35 New
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        Quote: NIKNN
        This is not judgment, this is coven.

        If this is the option ... start to chew \ sniff MUCHOMORCHIKI !!!
      2. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 11: 23 New
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        Quote: NIKNN
        This is not judgment, this is coven.

        If there are witches, then they can’t do without a sabbath.
  2. Ravil_Asnafovich 11 March 2020 07: 35 New
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    An old woman (Europe), it’s time to heal for a long time, it’s better to use rods, they won’t understand otherwise.
    1. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 11: 25 New
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      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      An old woman (Europe), it’s time to heal for a long time, it’s better to use rods, they won’t understand otherwise.

      Do not heal in 1945, run up again.
  3. Mountain shooter 11 March 2020 07: 36 New
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    A sad sight. This is a trial with anonymous witnesses and a pre-announced result. Yes, actually, the perpetrators were announced immediately ... A lot of time had to collect and manipulate evidence for the announced version ...
    1. kapitan92 11 March 2020 07: 48 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This is a trial with anonymous witnesses and a pre-announced result. Yes, in fact, the perpetrators were declared immediately ...


      This trial has a director, and the script for this process has long been known. hi
      1. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 11: 28 New
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        Quote: kapitan92
        This trial has a director, and the script for this process has long been known.

        The script was also written in advance, as the director was chosen.
    2. Strashila 11 March 2020 08: 45 New
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      “It took a lot of time to collect and juggle the evidence for the announced version,” so if they could juggle it, then they wouldn’t have to fake it.
  4. Strashila 11 March 2020 07: 40 New
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    It's simple, the German government does not want to bear consolidated responsibility for the killing of these people. They made the correct observation that there was no investigation and no interested parties from other countries were allowed to it. “that he“ recognized the Russian accent among the soldiers ”,” one witness already stated this when in Ukraine itself at that time everyone spoke Russian, I very much doubt that there are instructions on the “mov” for managing Soviet weapons. But they will not tell for the right to live in the West.
    1. Sofa expert 11 March 2020 07: 45 New
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      What then is the interest of the Germans? If they imposed sanctions on us, and they sang along with us, but then they rebelled against the politics of the regional committee ?? All this is strange
      1. Strashila 11 March 2020 08: 36 New
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        “If they imposed sanctions on us and sang along with us, but then they rebelled against the politics of the regional committee?”, They might run into business claims for losses because of the far-fetched sanctions, which actually could not exist, which the business could compensate for.
    2. Avior 11 March 2020 08: 43 New
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      that “he recognized the Russian accent among the soldiers”, “one witness has already stated this

      But this, oddly enough, just sounds at least believable, if anyone composed, then he is in the subject.
      Russians and Russian speakers living in eastern Ukraine quite accurately recognize the pronunciation of the inhabitants of Russia, although the Russians themselves living in Russia do not see much difference
      And they call this pronunciation just “Russian accent”, although it sounds strange smile
      And called so at least since my childhood, from the 60s
      hi
      1. Glory1974 11 March 2020 08: 58 New
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        But this, oddly enough, just sounds at least believable, if anyone composed, then he is in the subject.

        It sounds believable for scouts who are trying to determine the nationality and place of residence by accent. In Russia there are whole areas whose dialect does not differ from Ukrainian, as in Ukraine there is a dialect in pure Russian.
        Therefore, an attempt to find out from two brothers who has any talk, clearly betrays an overseas director.
        And they call this pronunciation just “Russian accent”, although it sounds strange. And they called it at least since my childhood, from the 60s

        Really very strange. All Russians have a dialect characteristic of their locality. In the Vologda region, “they scourge”, somewhere they “scourge”, somewhere they speak the purest literary language, somewhere in obscene.
        What Russian accent are you talking about? It seems that I am reading excerpts from a lecture by the CIA wassat
        1. Avior 11 March 2020 09: 27 New
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          I read excerpts from my childhood
          I understand the absurdity of the very definition of "Russian accent" in relation to a speaker in Russian, however, a term such existed as long as I remember, at least.
          Perhaps the point is that in Ukraine the pronunciation in Russian is quite uniform, so the “non-local” pronunciation is captured automatically, and soft g, by the way, is characteristic, this is not the main sign (in the army I served with guys from the Kuban, g pronunciation it seems, but nevertheless, even in this case, the difference is audible, although not so distinctly, maybe)
          Perhaps in Russia they are accustomed to different pronunciations, therefore, they do not really distinguish from them the features of pronunciation in Ukraine.
          Not that it is directly unambiguously determined, but nevertheless it is quite noticeable in most cases.
          From the experience of communication abroad, 60 to 70 percent is correctly determined, depends on the severity of the pronunciation features.
          Although, of course, I did not conduct any scientific research, and I don’t know that anyone would conduct it, so I won’t argue with you, consider whatever you like.
          hi
          1. Dym71 11 March 2020 12: 49 New
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            Greetings, Sergey, I read both of your comments, the vector pinched bully
            I have only one question:
            - How does your thought fit in with the fact that the dialect of Kiev is closer to Moscow in comparison with the Tula, and if we listen to the Kiev with a solid tower behind us, will his pronunciation be similar to the pronunciation of a native Muscovite?
            ps plus of course you set, as promised to do earlier. hi
            1. Avior 11 March 2020 13: 17 New
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              Maybe I didn’t write it very correctly, it was more correct to write so, if the Russian-speaking person from eastern Ukraine pronounces that the person he is talking to from Russia, he will say that he has a “Russian accent” - this phrase sounds silly to the Russian speaker, but no less such a definition exists, and it is used a long time ago precisely in this capacity, because it is this phrase that confuses many and seems ridiculous.
              This phrase is not someone’s invention, it really has long been in circulation.
              It is clear that not everyone has a pronounced pronunciation, often the higher the level of education, the less pronounced it is. This is typical for Ukraine and Russia.
              Nevertheless, in most cases it is noticeable.
              With regard to the fact that Kiev’s dialect is closer to Moscow, I don’t know where this fact comes from, I can write from experience that Russian speakers in Ukraine do not differ in pronunciation by region, it happens that the pronunciation is slightly softer and closer to Ukrainian, but from the region it depends weakly, it may be in different regions
              hi
              1. Dym71 11 March 2020 14: 42 New
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                Quote: Avior
                As for the fact that the dialect of Kiev is closer to Moscow, I do not know where this fact comes from

                1. Avior 11 March 2020 16: 41 New
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                  This is history, not modernity.
                  For a long time already there is a literary Russian language
                  Do you think that in Kiev and Moscow they still speak the Starokievskaya - Neomoskovsky literary and business form? hi
                  1. Dym71 11 March 2020 17: 11 New
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                    Quote: Avior
                    This is history, not modernity.

                    Yeah, these are the roots of community. yes
  5. Fantazer911 11 March 2020 07: 46 New
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    I bought popcorn, beer too, we are watching a great show accusing Russia of what it did, Russia did not! Production of the play under the direction of the chief director of the USA, music of Ukraine, extras of the Netherlands! We look at it, Santa Barbara is resting!
  6. Fedor Sokolov 11 March 2020 07: 47 New
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    This geopolitical provocation originally had as its goal a "run over" to Russia, so any other versions for Dutch leftism are inappropriate.
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    Here do not take comments from European social users. networks, but real ones from Russia. So, I know one woman, so she believes that when there is a trial in the boega case, then the GDP will get the trump card from the sleeve and will do it all. I think that who (real witnesses) knows everything will be silent ..
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      Quote: ximkim
      Here do not take comments from European social users. networks, but real ones from Russia. So, I know one woman, so she believes that when there is a trial in the boega case, then the GDP will get the trump card from the sleeve and will do it all. I think that who (real witnesses) knows everything will be silent ..

      And I know one woman in Ukraine who believes that GDP drinks the blood of babies.
  8. Andrea 11 March 2020 07: 55 New
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    The concert promises to be entertaining. The question is whether the audience has enough sarcasm to watch this farce to the end. I personally already begin to get nauseous.
    1. ximkim 11 March 2020 07: 57 New
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      Quote: Andrea
      The concert promises to be entertaining. The question is whether the audience has enough sarcasm to watch this farce to the end. I personally already begin to get nauseous.

      Then they pull for so long.
  9. shinobi 11 March 2020 07: 59 New
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    The customer of this farce, let’s not point a finger, we need the fact of farce. After the farce, when the blame is legally assigned to Russia, the customer will do whatever he wants with Russia and all its property, even a war with us will be legal. it doesn’t matter that the basis for this is complete falsification, there is no reverse law. There are plenty of precedents. So the most interesting thing will be after.
  10. Nadsor 11 March 2020 08: 00 New
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    As they got already with their howl .. Well, do not put you “gentlemen” on your knees .. In vain puffed!
  11. Adam Khomich 11 March 2020 08: 07 New
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    Marihuanschiki completely stuck, if they consider people to be idiots.
    You see, they have a bunch of witnesses, but they are "secret."
    So classify the process itself and engage in masochism in a closed mode,
    do not expose your stupidity and ordering to the public.
  12. maiman61 11 March 2020 08: 11 New
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    This "court" is a Sharashkin office! Confidence in the entire European system of "democratic values" is undermined!
  13. Adam Khomich 11 March 2020 08: 11 New
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    Quote: Fantazer911
    I bought popcorn, beer too

    For all 15 years? From 5 to 15 years, the court is going to investigate and consider this "case"!
    I worry about your liver :-)
  14. Viktor Sergeev 11 March 2020 08: 13 New
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    I personally witnessed how the Ukrainian Buk fired at a Boeing, and the calculation consisted of the Dutch and Ukrainians. I can give evidence, but I'm afraid for my life, so I will give them via e-mail, so that no one would know. By the way, I also saw that the prosecutor in the case and the judges served in the protection of this Buk.
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      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      ... I can give evidence, but I'm afraid for my life, so I will give them via e-mail, so that no one would know ...

      Do not forget to connect to the Internet through a bunch of Tor + VPN wassat
  15. Engineer Schukin 11 March 2020 08: 18 New
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    If we ignore the court itself, then the news itself in VO is some shame.

    A comment by some user-noun is put in the title. Yes, and under the classic sauce for VO "In Germany / USA / Great Britain / China declared / commented", etc. etc.
    In terms of the presentation of information, this is the bottom.
  16. Adam Khomich 11 March 2020 08: 18 New
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    Quote: Victor Sergeev
    I personally witnessed

    And I also saw and am ready to testify!
    Only for life and health I worry, I demand enhanced nutrition from a Michelin cook,
    good drink, a house in the Alps, girls, security and just in case a doctor.
    1. rich 11 March 2020 12: 23 New
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      I demand enhanced nutrition from a Michelin cook,
      good drink, a house in the Alps, girls, security and just in case a doctor.

      Take me as a personal doctor. smile I don’t even have to pay a salary. yes True, I do not have a medical education. But it doesn’t matter. The main thing is a house in the Alps, good drinks, and girls drinks
  17. Alien From 11 March 2020 08: 19 New
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    The clowning continues ...... even the burghers noticed that the artists ..... uh ... uhh ... so-so ......)))
  18. Air force 11 March 2020 08: 37 New
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    I don’t feel like commenting on this trial, European politicians always had a grudge against people, and European society never needed the truth if it did not concern their own well-fed life. All these Europeans do not care about the thousands of innocent deaths in the Donbas, in Syria, Libya, and wherever their politicians fomented and are making war, could someone in their right mind think that they don’t give a damn about the Boeing passengers, of course, they don’t give a damn. True, the moment was not important for the trial, they wanted a high-profile case against Russia, but there was a coronavirus, and oil fell and exchanges collapsed, Europeans are not up to the Boeing now, they already didn’t care, and now even more so. I won’t be surprised if Russia is now accused of spreading the virus with the goal of disrupting the lawsuit. Because after the "case of the Skripals" it became clear that any absurdity, the European "civilized" inhabitants "shyat". Although everything became clear from the “Litvinenko case”, after all, about the poisoning by the Russian special services with polonium of some sort of third-rate idiot there, only a tolerant European would believe.
  19. Zaurbek 11 March 2020 09: 00 New
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    If the witnesses and evidence are secret ... maybe the sentence will be secret?

    Well, I don’t know who shot down the plane ... but how should I understand following the court - who is guilty? And most importantly, how to bring the Russian Federation to justice with such evidence base? Serbia, probably you can. And then immediately bomb. By the tribunal's decision.
  20. Retvizan 8 11 March 2020 09: 01 New
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    ... "witnesses in this case fear for their lives" ...
    And what, judges for their life are not yet afraid?
    Not refinement!
    What then are we, "Empire of Evil" if everyone in a row was not intimidated!))))
    1. cniza 11 March 2020 09: 14 New
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      Quote: Retvizan 8

      And what, judges for their life are not yet afraid?


      This will be their second move ...
  21. Crimean partisan 1974 11 March 2020 09: 07 New
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    in how. ... the funny thing in this story is that the Dutch again dishonored once again proving their helplessness and stupidity, everything for them is just exactly like their logic, Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. therefore, a Boeing was shot down over its territory and Ukraine, in their opinion, does not exist, which, in principle, is understandable, let the gentlemen of the city burn further, and the saddest thing is that the Dutch people showed themselves as awkward allowing them to mock their own dead citizens
  22. cniza 11 March 2020 09: 13 New
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    Listen, but if we are not in Russia, where the government can afford to order the results, then why are the judges only Dutch? What does the Dutch government have to do with the MH17 investigation. And where is the international composition: Australia, Malaysia, Ukraine, representatives of the international investigation team?


    There are a lot of such questions, but there is a very interesting one - where is the main witness - the air traffic controller who conducted this flight?
  23. thinker 11 March 2020 09: 18 New
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    Quote: atalef
    HMMMMMM ????
    and where did the comments come from?
    What connection do they have to the article?

    That's really a fake gun!
    From there they came!
    https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2020-03/flugzeugabschuss-mh17-ostukraine-russland-prozess
  24. thinker 11 March 2020 09: 38 New
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    Reporting from this "concert" is something!
    Anonymous “witness M58” “The witness has repeatedly stated, among other things, that he recognized Russian accent the soldiers who were present at the launch site, and that the Russian soldiers were on this Buka, ”said the prosecutor.
    fool
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2880317.html
    1. bukhach 11 March 2020 10: 24 New
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      Is this true, not fiction? The prosecutor said that ?! He’s a nerd request
  25. tihonmarine 11 March 2020 09: 49 New
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    A convenient excuse: "There are witnesses, but we will not say anything about them, since they are afraid for their lives, but everyone should believe their testimonies."
    "And I and not I, and the hut is not mine." These are the "fools" we were in school, only in the lower grades started. Like, "And today we have a cock laid an egg." For first-graders, this passed, and high school students called idiots. Holland proved to be first-graders all over the world.
  26. Victor March 47 11 March 2020 09: 49 New
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    Before the Germans, the especially strong “bamboo” still did not seem to have been brought up ... but in an adequate state it is useless to look at a Dutch court.

    The country that allowed the free circulation of drugs apparently crippled this decision first.
    And the first among the first were the judges involved in this farce.
  27. Fishery 11 March 2020 10: 41 New
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    just wondering how to end, 4 banned travel abroad, and monetary compensation .... like a little
  28. 1536 11 March 2020 10: 59 New
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    The Germans remember well with what provocations the world wars began in the 1941th century. But the Dutch probably want to get the glory of arsonists of the world war already in the XXI century. Who gave them the right to “judge” anyone? Find the country on the map, appears under some number, and there, they climb into the judges. Is NATO salvation for them? In the Wehrmacht in 50, they also thought that a single fascist Europe was invincible. And today they decided to “eat” Russia so that they could live in their perversions and red lights for another XNUMX years. Will not work!
  29. Forest 11 March 2020 11: 33 New
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    Anonymous witnesses, anonymous evidence is the end of the legal system of the West. It is strange that our Foreign Ministry is silent.
  30. Alsur 11 March 2020 11: 51 New
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    Quote: Avior
    I read excerpts from my childhood
    I understand the absurdity of the very definition of "Russian accent" in relation to a speaker in Russian, however, a term such existed as long as I remember, at least.
    Perhaps the point is that in Ukraine the pronunciation in Russian is quite uniform, so the “non-local” pronunciation is captured automatically, and soft g, by the way, is characteristic, this is not the main sign (in the army I served with guys from the Kuban, g pronunciation it seems, but nevertheless, even in this case, the difference is audible, although not so distinctly, maybe)
    Perhaps in Russia they are accustomed to different pronunciations, therefore, they do not really distinguish from them the features of pronunciation in Ukraine.
    Not that it is directly unambiguously determined, but nevertheless it is quite noticeable in most cases.
    From the experience of communication abroad, 60 to 70 percent is correctly determined, depends on the severity of the pronunciation features.
    Although, of course, I did not conduct any scientific research, and I don’t know that anyone would conduct it, so I won’t argue with you, consider whatever you like.
    hi

    But nothing that the Russians left for Ukraine at all times of the union to work, to retire?
    1. Avior 11 March 2020 13: 22 New
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      So it is, they left, many of them retained their pronunciation at the same time, although it changes over the years towards the local
      Nevertheless, I know cases, and a lot, when over the years it doesn’t change very much
      hi
  31. Operator 11 March 2020 11: 54 New
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    A trial, by definition, is public, unlike an investigation. Therefore, the use of anonymous prosecution witnesses in court is legal nonsense and arrogant ignoring of the well-developed system of witness protection (if it had not been in Europe, then only with a stretch one could speak about anonymity).

    Unknown citizens from Donbass are allegedly witnesses of conversations in Russian with a Russian accent (Vologda, of course laughing - there were no other accents of the Russian language in the territory of the former USSR) it would be a blessing to openly testify in court and after that move with my family to Europe for permanent residence with full state security with new documents and the protection of special services.
    1. Avior 11 March 2020 18: 19 New
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      . The participation of a witness under a pseudonym in a criminal case is provided for by applicable law and is regulated by Article 11, Part 9, Article 166, Section 4, Part 2 of Article 241, Part 5 of Article 278 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation, as well as in the Federal Law No. 119- Federal Law “On State Protection of Victims, Witnesses and Other Participants in Criminal Proceedings”, which contains a list of grounds for applying security measures in relation to witnesses and victims.

      business.

      In accordance with Part 5 of Art. 278 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation, the examination of a witness under a pseudonym is carried out by the court without announcing the true information about the identity of the witness and under conditions that exclude visual observation of the witness by other participants in the criminal process, which the court makes a decision or ruling on.

      Thus, the court is taking steps to ensure that the parties can ask questions to an anonymous witness without revealing his true identity.

      hi
      1. Operator 11 March 2020 18: 23 New
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        And what follows from that - anonymity rules, protection of witnesses sucks?
        1. Avior 11 March 2020 18: 25 New
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          It follows that your statement
          Therefore, the use of anonymous prosecution witnesses in court is legal nonsense and blatant disregard for the established witness protection system.
          mistakenly, anonymous witnesses are a common legal practice, including in the Russian Federation, one of the forms of witness protection
          1. Liam 11 March 2020 18: 29 New
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            In cases such as against the mafia, witnesses are often “anonymous” and give testimonies with closed faces and a changed voice
          2. Operator 11 March 2020 18: 30 New
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            Do not distort - I talked about the need to comply with the principle of publicity of the hearing when considering the use of army weapons on a civilian airliner.

            You will justify Adika if his followers submit to the ECHR anonymous "witnesses" of the Soviet attack on Germany on June 22, 1941 laughing
            1. Liam 11 March 2020 18: 38 New
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              You have less than a vague idea of ​​the term "public process"
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                You have completely no understanding of why publicity of the court session as such is necessary - for public control over the observance of equality of parties in the trial.
  32. g1washntwn 11 March 2020 14: 37 New
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    Unknown citizens of the Donbass ...

    Most likely "nonexistent ....". It’s cheaper for the West to bang a witness themselves, because the “witnesses” who compose tales on the instructions of the SBU and God knows which CIA are a threat to them in the long run.
    You can even arrange a tote on how many of them will live after such tales thanks to the curators of this initial provocation. It’s understandable that they will try to shove the next “newbie” away, but the logic of elimination is nowhere to be found. "Seek someone profitable."
  33. lvov_aleksey 11 March 2020 18: 28 New
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    wait, we will one day be guilty that our woman from Russia gave birth to Hitler or Napoleon, or maybe Mao Zedong
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    Dutch court = British scholars?
  37. ximkim 12 March 2020 04: 05 New
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    Quote: ximkim
    Here do not take comments from European social users. networks, but real ones from Russia. So, I know one woman, so she believes that when there is a trial in the boega case, then the GDP will get the trump card from the sleeve and will do it all. I think that who (real witnesses) knows everything will be silent ..

    And I know one woman in Ukraine who believes that GDP drinks the blood of babies.

    Apparently the chef was laughing
  38. Yuri Mikhailovsky 12 March 2020 14: 55 New
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    A group of criminals that destroyed hundreds of people decided to cover up the tracks ... This is not a court, this is the gang of murderers ...