An attempt to "rehabilitate" the 90s - who needs it and why

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It is amazing how sometimes human memory is short. Including - and with respect to things and events, it would seem, not so long ago, at the same time absolutely not allowing double interpretation. The reason for once again thinking about this paradox may well be the ongoing attempts of certain individuals to "rehabilitate" the "saints of the 90s" in the eyes of Russian society, which the vast majority of our compatriots recall with pain and anger.

Especially “touches” by the fact that with such things (as well as the sweeping blackening of the Soviet period stories of our country) sometimes people who are engaged in those times which they take with a huge aplomb to judge and disguise either have not yet been born, or were at an age that can hardly be considered mature and giving the right to categorical assessments. Take, for example, the next representative of the domestic “creative intelligentsia,” naturally referring to its liberal-democratic “wing” - Oleg Kozyrev. This gentleman, positioned as a film director, video blogger and even a writer, recently noted a speech in social networks, which immediately caused a real storm of emotions. For the most part - purely negative.



Kozyrev, born in 1972, on Twitter deigns to say that the 90s, it turns out, were the “peak of power” in Russia. According to him, they were marked not only by the "economic upsurge", but also by the "development" of art, moreover - "science, education and business." Our country was in the “Big Eight” and “headed the CIS”, “political stability” reigned in it, there were no wars (!!!) and in general there was complete grace complete with the accompanying air-conditioning. It turns out that Boris Yeltsin “handed over” to the current president just earthly paradise, and not a country, all of whose achievements over the past two decades have been mediocre “profane”. It’s clear whose fault it’s ...

Modern innovative achievements are a wonderful thing. They allow the authors of such "revelations" to carry out their "stuffing", while avoiding significant damage to their own health. To say that people were shocked, indignant, and seething with indignation - to say nothing. In the end, Kozyrev had to convince the enraged users that it was nothing more than a joke. Or, as it is fashionable to say now, “trolling”.

What kind of jokes are there? For a very specific group of people, “perestroika” and the subsequent dark and terrible period of plunder and destruction of the country is the standard of the “triumph of freedom and democracy”. The fact that the "triumph" was imaginary, and even more so, the price paid by Russia for all this, they do not care. On the contrary, they really want to repeat all this! Beggarly salaries, total unemployment, rampant crime, which readers remind Kozyrev, like "fair-faced" gentlemen, "take out the brackets", not stooping to such "plebeian" trifles. Shooting from tanks they see the White House in the center of Moscow as the “inevitable cost of democratizing society,” and the hardest and bloody campaign in Chechnya is something like an exciting military-sports game “Zarnitsa”. They definitely did not participate in it ...

Kozyrev enjoys the resulting effect, which he calls the "Putinists brain explosion." Well, this proves that they at least have something to explode. However, those who today so diligently produce false stories about “free and wonderful” life in that period of our history, which can be equated with the other most difficult and tragic trials that befell Russia and its people, are also not so brainless as it may seem at first glance. They are trying to conduct their subversive work quite consciously, not without a clear intent and selfish interest.

But they definitely don’t have a heart. And it is precisely because of their own cold and calculated heartlessness that such an audience is eager to plunge Russia into the new 90s, with all their “charms”. Then they lie ...
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  1. +74
    11 March 2020 16: 30
    But so far not a single bastard has answered for "perestroika" and "holy 90s" ..
    1. -62
      11 March 2020 16: 36
      Quote: paul3390
      But so far not a single bastard has answered for "perestroika" and "holy 90s" ..

      It is not customary for us to call the Communists to account. So they do not answer.
      Yes, and most have already introduced themselves.

      That's just Chubais all waking up.

      But now people will explain here that it was not the Communists who destroyed the country, but others. Quite different. wassat
      1. -51
        11 March 2020 16: 50
        All right, nothing minus
        1. +40
          11 March 2020 17: 25
          In fact, these notorious 90s have not gone anywhere. They smoothly moved into the timelessness of Putin's stability and stagnation. All the characters of the 90s in good leadership and bread places. That root of evil has not disappeared. He exists between us.
          1. +6
            11 March 2020 17: 47
            Yeah. And that was a little earlier. wink

            1. +37
              11 March 2020 18: 15
              That’s how it happens, it took EBN a couple of times to ride a trolley bus, stand in line at the clinic and eltsinomania began, and how much he promised and did not count ... laughing
              1. +22
                11 March 2020 18: 20
                Quote: parusnik
                EBN cost a couple of times to ride a trolley bus, stand in line at the clinic and eltsinomaniya began,

                And when he was thrown off a bag from a bridge, he became his boyfriend ... laughing
                1. AUL
                  +18
                  11 March 2020 18: 55
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  And when they threw him in a bag from the bridge,

                  Yes, no one threw him in a bag, he fell down on a drunken case!
                  1. +14
                    11 March 2020 18: 59
                    Quote from AUL
                    Himself fell into a drunken business!

                    No, they threw it off, it somehow looks better than he fell, Alconaut ...
              2. +17
                11 March 2020 19: 44
                Fools usually believe that all that is needed to be happy is to overthrow a bad uncle and put in a good one, or several. And everything will immediately become openwork. A moment. And then, when, as a result of the Maidans, a complete ass comes in the country and the prices jump and break through the bottom, people die of hunger and the collapse of infrastructure, and the state collapses, they can only bleat, smearing snot and drool, "we were not on the Maidan for that." The 90s are a consequence of such rallies of the 80s. It is clear that these rams were deceived. as they are deceiving now, leading to new Maidans. But they do believe and do not really understand the consequences of their actions. And the country paid in blood for their stupidity. request
                Such as these people with posters - here is a polysite and this is a problem. request
                1. +26
                  11 March 2020 20: 43
                  Such as these people with posters - here is a polysite and this is a problem.

                  And there is still a problem: the second half of the site is here a la Valya Tereshkova.
                  Maidan itself is bad. But HOW to convey to the authorities that ITS economic policy is genocide against the citizens of their country? How to ask the authorities for all her promises? How to make sure that there is a real possibility of recalling deputies? How to ask a civil servant for double and sometimes triple citizenship? How to ask the same officials for real estate and business abroad? How to ask them where they got so much money from, that their offspring study abroad, although according to their declarations they would have had to work 10 years for only 1 semester of study?
                  I do not want Maidan according to the Ukrainian scenario, but I also do not want to see EdRo in power. And there have been more and more people like me lately.
                  What are your suggestions?
                  1. -7
                    11 March 2020 21: 40
                    Quote: Honest Citizen
                    I do not want Maidan according to the Ukrainian scenario,

                    But you do everything for this fasting here. wink
                    1. +1
                      11 March 2020 21: 46
                      Especially for you I repeat the question: What are your suggestions?
                      1. -4
                        11 March 2020 21: 48
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        What are your suggestions?

                        Would you go to sleep. The morning is wiser than the evening. feel
                      2. +1
                        11 March 2020 21: 58
                        The morning is wiser than the evening

                        And what, in the morning, when I wake up, everything bad will disappear and everything good will come?
                        But still - what are your suggestions?
                        Something you somehow do not answer. Take the dialogue aside.
                      3. -10
                        11 March 2020 22: 04
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        But still - what are your suggestions?

                        Personally, after a good boxing training, I drink a wonderful semi-dry Portuguese wine, I read different things here, I have a good mood and I don’t sweat my brain with all kinds of nonsense, which I also wish you. wink
                      4. +5
                        11 March 2020 22: 08
                        Personally, after boxing training, you’re happy for you, happy with your life, again happy for you, and you don’t care about the fate of the country.
                      5. 0
                        11 March 2020 22: 15
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        and you do not care about the fate of the country.

                        You are deeply mistaken. However, you can not prove to everyone ... request
                      6. +1
                        11 March 2020 22: 17
                        You are deeply mistaken.

                        Fine. I am waiting for the answer to the question: what are your suggestions to convey to the authorities that it is wrong?
                      7. -9
                        11 March 2020 22: 25
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        I am waiting for the answer to the question: what are your suggestions to convey to the authorities that it is wrong?

                        I answered the same ... hi
                      8. +1
                        11 March 2020 22: 27
                        I answered the same ...

                        I re-read our dialogue - I honestly answer, did not notice. Bother repeating
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                      20. -2
                        11 March 2020 23: 56
                        Honest citizen, everything is clear with your weight, but with age ... Can you answer honestly - how old are you? No offense, naturally
                        And I will answer you for your opponent - it is impossible to improve the socio-economic situation of this people by popular revolutionary methods. Only worsen. The fight against corruption, social inequality and poverty is an exclusively evolutionary task, and therefore not quick. And on this path there are two steps forward, one and a half back ... And personalities are far from the main thing, like their tools, if you understand what I mean hi
                      21. -2
                        12 March 2020 00: 21
                        Quote: matRoss
                        It is impossible to improve the socioeconomic situation of this people by popular revolutionary methods. Only worsen.

                        These very methods will only lead the country to further bloody disintegration and zeroing out the numerical composition of these territories. But some, unfortunately, do not understand this, others understand too well. However, to each, his own. hi
                      22. +1
                        12 March 2020 10: 50
                        Quote: matRoss
                        It is impossible to improve the socioeconomic situation of this people by popular revolutionary methods. Only worsen.

                        Not true. Throughout human history, "evolutionary development" ended with degradation and decay, and only then followed a revolution that brought social progress.
                      23. -2
                        12 March 2020 12: 54
                        But the Great October Socialist Revolution and the "evolution" of the last 30 years testify to the exact opposite ..
                      24. +2
                        12 March 2020 14: 37
                        Does anyone want to repeat the Great October Socialist Revolution? No matter how you treat it, but how many victims will this lead to and what will remain of Russia? And who will be left? Do you hope to personally survive the bloody civil strife, the likely intervention, the inevitable repression of the victors against the defeated and former comrades-in-arms, devastation and famine? Or should the new VOSR resemble something like the Rose Revolution? Or maybe "guiding"? This is impossible on a Russian scale and reality. Or petting rallies or the whole country in dust, especially the mentality.
                        Regarding "evolution leads to decay, revolution leads to progress": you can recall the result of which revolutions live so well (take only the large ones) the USA, Germany, Canada, Great Britain (we are now talking about prosperity and socialism, and not about abstract "progress" ). What kind of revolution took place in China not so long ago? Maybe the one that was strangled on Tiananmen? And if not strangled? So it turns out that Comrade Marx was not right in everything and did not foresee everything.
                      25. -1
                        12 March 2020 14: 50
                        Does anyone want to repeat the Great October Socialist Revolution?

                        Yes, it is full of willing .. You read the comments-every second even here for ..

                        No matter how you treat herbut to how many victims will this result and what will remain of Russia? And who will stay?

                        Here's the key - depending on how you feel about it ..
                        Personally, I have a positive attitude .. And therefore - all these issues are no longer important ..
                        For the result is positive ..

                        Do you hope to personally survive

                        I don’t hope .. I don’t even hope to survive until my retirement without a revolution .. And if I survive, I can imagine with horror how I will exist on it ..

                        I repeat - when the business is good and worthwhile - then there can be no questions a priori ..
                        To save the child from the fire or not ?? And if you burn yourself ?? And if you become disabled ?? Do you want to wander in hospitals all your life ?? Etc..
                      26. -1
                        12 March 2020 16: 58
                        Quote: ROMAN123456
                        when a good and worthwhile business - then there can be no a priori questions ..
                        To save the child from the fire or not ??

                        End justifies the means? Remember whose motto is this?
                        And who said the child is on fire? He has a cough and a fever. No need to break down doors and drag him out into the cold, he may not survive the "salvation", he needs warm socks and tea with raspberries.
                        About "I do not hope to live to retire", no comment at all. Are you starving?
                      27. 0
                        13 March 2020 13: 54
                        Your proposal is to be understood, understandably. Constructively ..
                      28. 0
                        13 March 2020 13: 52
                        Yes, he merged openly and irrevocably
                      29. 0
                        13 March 2020 13: 51
                        Drain counted
                  2. +4
                    13 March 2020 15: 01
                    All those questions that you voiced are not resolved in any country. Power and people will never be a single whole - this is a priori utopia. Constant experiments with a cardinal change of power do not lead to anything good, Ukraine is a good example. No matter how you relate to Putin, there is no alternative; you can cite anyone as an example, but this is a fact. You can, of course, by means of mass discontent achieve a change of power and someone in the muddy water of confusion will catch a fish. But the total mass will have to tighten the belts again, because no one will come with a saucer with a blue border and will have to plow even more. And all bloggers really do not care about us from the big bell tower, they do not need anything except PR and our likes. They are our product, we produce them ourselves and begin to listen to them. What have they done for their homeland to express their opinions to someone in an obsessive way?
                2. +6
                  11 March 2020 21: 06
                  Such as these people with posters - here is a polysite and this is a problem.


                  A sucker is not a mammoth, a sucker will not die out. laughing
                  1. +1
                    11 March 2020 23: 43
                    As I understand it, then you are a mammoth.
                3. -5
                  11 March 2020 21: 38
                  Quote: g1v2
                  Such as these people with posters - here is a polysite

                  Much more. wink
                  1. +13
                    11 March 2020 23: 45
                    All of you guys are lying. There were few of those in the picture, but always in sight.
                    Most simply stunned silently.
                    1. -2
                      12 March 2020 08: 17
                      Well now it turns out to be innocent.
                      1. +4
                        12 March 2020 11: 02
                        Guilty, but not as much as the top and middle layer of power. We were skillfully bred, someone with sausage, someone with the opportunity to have their own business, or something else, but lured and made a fool of.
                4. +14
                  11 March 2020 22: 22
                  Quote: g1v2
                  It is clear that these sheep were deceived.

                  These "rams" repeated our "feat" of the 90s: "Freedom! Chewing gum! Alcohol Royal!" Isn't Yeltsin a mirror image of Poroshenko? But did not "perestroika" through the mouth of Marked declare an improvement in the quality of the socialist system? So why did we find ourselves in capitalism then? And who then was the first of the "sheep" to declare "independence" from their own country, the day that we are prescribed to celebrate now every year on June 12 ?!
                  1. 0
                    12 March 2020 08: 18
                    But I think it’s worth celebrating, because now officially we are not obliged to feed anyone. Perhaps this is precisely why the USSR was dissolved, sometimes such measures are necessary, not to restrain what cannot be restrained.
                    1. +4
                      12 March 2020 09: 09
                      Quote: EvilLion
                      But I think it’s worth celebrating, because now officially we are not obliged to feed anyone.

                      Why then did Dagestan hold Chechnya? Such a policy of "not being obliged" led in the 90s to the fact that in Siberia they printed their own money. Want to continue? The RF is even bigger, there is someone who is not obliged to, and there will always be a reason for "self-determination" of territories. So, let's get to Muscovy? We will not owe anyone for that.
                      1. -1
                        12 March 2020 12: 23
                        But Chechnya, just let go, it soon turned out that to keep and feed cheaper. Unlike the now dying Central Asians or trilobalt.
                    2. -1
                      12 March 2020 11: 04
                      Only it was necessary to let go with circumcision.
                5. -3
                  15 March 2020 16: 40
                  Surprisingly, only half a site. After all, wherever you go - if not Anal, then Gozman or Sobol, or Sobchachka, or ... In short, this abomination has occupied almost the entire Internet, and then, after ... twelve years later, someone will write: "But they believed and did not really understand the consequences of their actions. "
            2. +1
              11 March 2020 23: 42
              You, g1v2, of course, with your breasts defended the CPSU.
          2. +18
            11 March 2020 21: 03
            Quote: Stas157
            In fact, these notorious 90s have not gone anywhere.

            That's right, the high oil price and curbing the oligarchs appetites for a while gave a positive effect, but oil fell, and Putin raised his oligarchs with no less appetite than the previous ones. Also, in parallel, Putin dropped social obligations, and that's not all the tricky actions that were taken and gave a short-term effect. In the bottom line, there were no fundamental things done, just as we were a raw materials appendage .. Science, industry, pharmacology, electronics .. we all forgot it .. If oil lasts a couple of years $ 40 per barrel, it will be even worse than it was in the 90s ..
            1. +14
              11 March 2020 21: 24
              Science, industry, pharmacology, electronics .. everyone forgot it .. If oil lasts a couple of years, $ 40 per barrel, it will be even worse than it was in the 90s ..

              The branches that are forgotten - I can still write.
              But worst of all is not even that. The authorities, and read Putin, did not raise normal opposition. And I already read the comments on the site: was Navalny so wrong?
              That's the bad thing.
              I will once again outline my position. I do not like Navalny, there are a lot of questions to him. But why, according to the results of the activities of the same FBK, there is not a single official investigation?
              Why is it that everyone who talks about real problems that have not been solved for years, everyone who reminds the authorities even here, in the comments, about her unfulfilled promises, is immediately credited with either liberals or communists?
              This is the main problem. In the substitution of the concept of "patriot". A patriot is not the one who yells at every corner: “I'll tear you apart for Putin!”, A patriot is a person who loves his homeland. With regard to Russia, you can also add who wants his country to cease to be considered a gas station and a raw material appendage. Yes, some people like Putin, some don't - but we still have freedom of speech spelled out in the Constitution.
              The problem of the current government is in the government itself. She doesn’t want to do anything and is “panuwati” - and it doesn’t happen. Although reality suggests that it is.
              And the fact that the era of Putinism will end in enormous blood - well, they don’t understand, they just don’t understand.
              There has been a new trend - they say if the president is appointed for 1 or 2 terms, then these are temporary workers. No gentlemen, this is not what you need to look at. Take all the best from the USA and the UK, namely: no matter who they have in power, foreign policy unchanged.
              With a well-functioning economy, where the raw materials industry does not exceed 20%, even a change of government is not terrible.
              But at the level of nepotism and corruption that we observe in our country, a change of power is a civil war.
              1. +14
                11 March 2020 21: 40
                But worst of all is not even that. The authorities, and read Putin, did not raise normal opposition. And I already read the comments on the site: was Navalny so wrong?
                That's the bad thing.

                Bulk fellow, of course ... But he would have been socialist views .. and so, would come to power, would be the same .. well, maybe there will be more order, but the essence of the capitalist will remain the same. He needs the chief prosecutor))
                Why is it that everyone who talks about real problems that have not been solved for years, everyone who reminds the authorities even here, in the comments, about her unfulfilled promises, is immediately credited with either liberals or communists?

                Well, if the Communists-then consider it an honor laughing I think, without socialism, Russia will be bent and that’s what we should strive for .. But I don’t impose my own eyes and respect sane people with respect .. hi
                There has been a new trend - they say if the president is appointed for 1 or 2 terms, then these are temporary workers. No gentlemen, this is not what you need to look at.

                In any system, the change of power should be a fact, it can be discussed for 5 or 8 years, but not more than 10 .. Otherwise, a person will become bronzed and detached from reality, smooth the fifth point so that instead of the pupils the squirrel will only be visible .. present ..
                With a well-functioning economy, where the raw materials industry does not exceed 20%, even a change of government is not terrible.
                But at the level of nepotism and corruption that we observe in our country, a change of power is a civil war.

                I think that everything is going to this .. as sad history repeats itself ...
                1. +9
                  11 March 2020 21: 51
                  I think, without socialism, Russia will be bent and this is what we should strive for ..

                  Entirely and fully support. Only socialism will save our homeland.
                  To leave private services to the market economies, such as hairdressers, auto repair shops and other such trifles. But I consider it a criminal decision to hand over metallurgy, heavy machinery, logistics (total, rather than small freight transportation within the region), mining, energy, shipbuilding and aircraft manufacturing.
                  1. +17
                    11 March 2020 21: 54
                    Quote: Honest Citizen
                    But I consider it a criminal decision to hand over metallurgy, heavy machinery, logistics (total, rather than small freight transportation within the region), mining, energy, shipbuilding and aircraft manufacturing.

                    I fully support! good hi
                  2. 0
                    12 March 2020 20: 04
                    I support, I myself think so.
              2. +9
                11 March 2020 23: 48
                In our country, a change of power is possible only in elections, if the people see clearly. And if there is an uprising, then they themselves will call on the West to help if they realize that they are losing. And then we have a lid.
                1. +5
                  12 March 2020 09: 17
                  Have already passed. "Abroad" will not help them, as well as in the Civil.
                  1. -1
                    12 March 2020 10: 53
                    Anglo-Saxons rarely come on a rake and this time they will not make their mistakes, remembering the Union.
                2. Aag
                  0
                  12 March 2020 18: 41
                  https://youtu.be/rsSIocn6dac
                  1. Aag
                    0
                    12 March 2020 18: 51
                    I do not think it is a fact; but as an option for the development of events, I do not exclude
                  2. 0
                    12 March 2020 20: 00
                    Thank you, Alexander! I'm watching now. And for sure - there were bad and terrible times, but it was not meaner (although there is - the time of Khrushchev and restructuring, but these are all links of the same chain with the present).
                    But I constantly say that time for change is running out, this video is only one of many confirmations of my words, not even words, but the real situation in the country.
                3. -1
                  12 March 2020 20: 06
                  Complementing from outside help THIS. Just got the link:
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsSIocn6dac&feature=youtu.be
                  I advise everyone to take a look. And the Chinese brother will also "help" us if it does not help us already. Take the time to look, ten minutes viewing.
              3. -4
                12 March 2020 08: 39
                And with what fright should the government grow the opposition? You yourself do not see the contradiction? Well, so I will explain. A normal opposition occurs only when it has some constructive plans, and we are opposed to two types, grandfather Zu and heaped up. The former can only remember the USSR, the latter can only be called to ruin without a construction plan. Well then, I'm sorry, in the elections in this situation I will simply vote for representatives of industry, regardless of party affiliation. No ideas, no opposition.

                At the same time, Putin has done a lot in 20 years, despite the fact that it did without social services. shocks and tearing lived.

                no matter who they have in power, foreign policy is unchanged.


                This does not happen, and in the case of the United States, it has long been a nightmare for a world that does not have rockets, in view of the complete unpredictability and inadequacy of American politicians. As for domestic policy, the 180-degree turns in it are much more sensitive than the questions of whether it is necessary to intervene in something 1000 km from the border.

                With a well-functioning economy, where the raw materials industry does not exceed 20%, even a change of government is not terrible.


                Such an economy means only that the country is economically tied to the supply of raw materials and energy, which means that any shocks in this regard will bend it into a ram’s horn. Even if we have an abstract country with zero export and import of raw materials and energy resources, it is highly unlikely that the share of production in total labor costs will be only 20%. A person, for example, needs 600-800 kg of steel per year to maintain the current standard of living, and the main expenses in the manufacture of metal products will not be molding, namely, mining, transportation, smelting, and this already requires energy before fig.
              4. 0
                12 March 2020 14: 18
                Quote: Honest Citizen
                The authorities, and read Putin, did not raise normal opposition.

                Yes, there is no normal opposition in Russia - anyone who expresses opposition views instantly receives enemy funding - for your "just cause", no matter what, who did not take - those are not visible or audible, who took - an enemy mercenary, and traitors they don't like it in Russia. And they tried to grow, and even now they tolerate some mercenaries, the same Navalny.
            2. -4
              11 March 2020 21: 42
              Quote: Svarog
              All right

              In the 90s it was stupid not to eat, often ... Are you malnourished now? wink
            3. -1
              12 March 2020 08: 21
              Since the end of 2015, the dollar has already been more than twice as expensive, but only consumer electronics has risen in price, and it’s now available, as shops had to tighten, and imported cars. Everything else Russia produces itself, but you still live in 1995. And this you already got everyone who works, and not whines from the couch.
              1. Aag
                0
                12 March 2020 18: 56
                So soon there will be no place to work.
              2. +1
                13 March 2020 14: 04
                So you say that product prices have not changed since 2015?
                Lies
          3. -1
            12 March 2020 08: 15
            What was the last time you bought a car? And instead of digging potatoes in Turkey, in order not to die, do you go with your whole family, or just a wife?
            1. Aag
              +1
              12 March 2020 19: 04
              Three years ago, for 10 days, I was on vacation. And this is retired MO! And, unfortunately, this situation has become typical for many ..
          4. +1
            12 March 2020 22: 01
            Quote: Stas157
            In fact, these notorious 90s have not gone anywhere.


            I want to agree with you.
            In some ways, it was possible to slow down the evil .. But most of that evil continues to develop .. and mimic.
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            And we also began to misunderstand the words - "live well" sad We began to understand these words, how to eat a lot, drink sweet, etc.
            We began to understand these words in such a way that we succeed - the hunchback gang lived well. But Sharapov and Zheglov lived poorly.
            Although everything is exactly the opposite !!
      2. 0
        11 March 2020 17: 06
        Quote: For example
        it’s not the Communists who destroyed the country, but others

        Now they are all members of the EP, but about the leadership or good, or article good
      3. -22
        11 March 2020 17: 23
        . In the end, Kozyrev had to convince


        nobly he was crammed into a panama hat. faded from the comments. here, too, there are, for whom the 90th nishtyak.

        True, their maniamir does not affect anything. They also need to read comments to themselves, under Kozyrev's post.
        1. Ham
          0
          11 March 2020 18: 53
          there are many children from Ukraine
        2. 0
          11 March 2020 23: 49
          Familiar all faces.
      4. +23
        11 March 2020 17: 30
        Quote: For example
        That's just Chubais all waking up.

        Once Chubais? Putin did not hand over a membership card! wink
        1. -3
          11 March 2020 21: 44
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Putin did not hand over a membership card!

          Personally told you in a private conversation? wink
          1. +1
            12 March 2020 15: 57
            Quote: Tank Hard
            Personally told you in a private conversation?

            You are amazingly resourceful! laughing
        2. +1
          12 March 2020 02: 04
          The very presentation of the material in the article is torn away in my head. I stumbled upon some conditional Kozyrev so I read only one question so that was this immunity from this untouchable boriski center and that team’s lure ???
      5. +22
        11 March 2020 17: 53
        Quote: For example
        That's just Chubais all waking up.

        But now people will explain here that it was not the Communists who destroyed the country, but others.

        And you, dear, Putin has not yet informed your bogus that Chubais is a valuable shot?
        1. 0
          17 March 2020 13: 13
          I would ask Red Dog not to mention in vain ...
          Chur me ...
      6. +15
        11 March 2020 18: 21
        Quote: For example
        It is not customary for us to call the Communists to account.

        I have an option for you. Ask a member of the CPSU from the 70s, Comrade Putin V.V.
      7. +28
        11 March 2020 19: 12
        Quote: For example
        It is not customary for us to call the Communists to account.

        name at least one Communist participating in this bacchanalia

        here is the Communist

        and this is ... dog
        1. +8
          11 March 2020 21: 11
          I would not even compare the dogs with this nonsense!
          1. +3
            11 March 2020 21: 23
            I’m not dogs, but waste products, there is an ellipsis
        2. -6
          11 March 2020 21: 46
          Quote: Barmaleyka
          and this is ... dog

          However, he was a communist and in very non-children's posts ... How did it happen? wink
          1. +4
            11 March 2020 22: 16
            Quote: Tank Hard
            However, he was a communist and in very non-children's posts ... How did it happen?

            he was not a Communist, but a member
            Quote: Tank Hard
            How is that?

            yes it’s very simple, just the Communists died in the Great Patriotic War, and the members survived
            1. -9
              11 March 2020 22: 22
              Quote: Barmaleyka
              yes it’s very simple, just the Communists died in the Great Patriotic War, and the members survived

              My grandfather was a non-partisan, moreover, the son of "enemies of the people" (rehabilitation was denied). Passed (as a volunteer) Finnish, Patriotic, holder of the medal "for courage", the order of the "Patriotic War of the 1st degree", the invalid of war of the 1st group, is in the "book of memory of the people", now deceased. He spoke impartially about the communists in general. request
              1. +1
                11 March 2020 23: 38
                Quote: Tank Hard
                About communists as a whole, spoke impartially.

                So what?!
                1. -3
                  11 March 2020 23: 40
                  Quote: Barmaleyka
                  So what?!

                  A masterpiece question! laughing
                  1. +2
                    12 March 2020 08: 10
                    Well, what is the comment and the question is
                    1. -3
                      12 March 2020 08: 11
                      Quote: Barmaleyka
                      Well, what is the comment and the question is

                      Long prepared the answer ... lol
                      1. 0
                        12 March 2020 08: 12
                        are you out of your mind or do you think that at night I have nothing more to do?
                      2. -1
                        12 March 2020 08: 14
                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        Do you think that at night I don’t have to do anything else?

                        Apparently nothing, there’s enough time for minuses, a sweet tooth. wink
                      3. +2
                        12 March 2020 08: 49
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        there is enough time for cons, barmaleyka.

                        belay fool
                      4. 0
                        13 March 2020 14: 15
                        Yes, this is a troll, merges into direct questions without stiffness
              2. +7
                12 March 2020 08: 35
                Quote: Tank Hard
                My grandfather... .

                But!
                Great-grandfather - "enemy of the people", "(rehabilitation denied)."
                Grandfather- "About the communists in general, he spoke impartially", but he volunteered for the Finnish war.
                Father-?
                The grandson accuses the Communists of the death of the first socialist state. belay
                Quote: Tank Hard
                ... now deceased.

                Unfortunately, time takes its toll. My father has already left too. Three months ago he would have been a hundred. The fate of your grandfather is not alone, there are tens of millions of our compatriots. Compare, my father was wounded, had military awards, joined the ranks of the CPSU (b) in Stalingrad. And who was most "loved" by the fascists, do you know?
                My minus is not, but you must understand that insulting the communists you insult many, including my father. You insult many who died for their homeland.
                1. -6
                  12 March 2020 09: 01
                  Quote: There was a mammoth
                  You insult many, including my father. You insult many who died for their homeland.

                  What, in the words of my grandfather? What is the insult? The fact that he did not respect the Communists? And why should he respect them? Because they destroyed his family? What examples of worthy communists have I seen? Only in the movies ... In reality, one, in order to get a big salary, joined the party, for they took communists to that plant, the other with the same goals in the republic’s Council of Ministers, another, furious Komsomol, read fiery speeches during the day, and at night I went to the toilet using the manifesto of the Communist Party as paper ... I saw such people live, such as I didn’t come across in films. What opinion can I have?
                  1. 0
                    12 March 2020 10: 13
                    Here is another offended by the Soviet regime, therefore, probably passionately in love with the power of the oligarchs.
                  2. +1
                    17 March 2020 13: 16
                    All the same I can say about Edrosov ...
          2. 0
            11 March 2020 23: 51
            The evil joke of history.
        3. +9
          12 March 2020 08: 08
          That's right, don't be confused Communists and individual members of CPSU.
          My deeds was a communist, all my life I honestly worked as a fireman-foreman of firemen at the "Food Industry" floating base, then at the CHP substation, for his work, he was awarded the Order of "Lenin". And this nomenklatura shushara has a weak attitude towards the communists, the same as the parasites-functionaries from the EDR towards ordinary people.
          Interestingly, we used to know who the party is and who is not ... And now I know which of the Communist Party or the Liberal Democratic Party, but I do not know any ordinary representative of the EP ... Only deputies, administration, heads, governors, etc. Straight party without privates.
          1. +1
            12 March 2020 10: 15
            I wonder if there is at least one janitor or miner in the Core, for example?
      8. for
        +6
        11 March 2020 20: 07
        Quote: For example
        We Communists are not accepted to call to account

        So besides, they are still current presidents and most of his team and other power structures.
        1. -5
          11 March 2020 21: 52
          Quote: for
          So besides, they are still current presidents and most of his team and other power structures.

          Moreover, there are also presidents, and teams of other states, and even such as Dalia Grybauskaite. wink laughing
      9. +10
        11 March 2020 21: 32
        But now people will explain here that it was not the Communists who destroyed the country, but others. Quite different.

        And it was not a communist who made a proposal for "zeroing". She has this hobby of praising the constitution, then Brezhnev, now Putin's. if only they were positively reflected in life. And the country was really destroyed not by the communists, but by persons who received a party card in order to get closer to the trough.
        1. -7
          11 March 2020 21: 54
          Quote: Dimy4
          And it was not the Communists who actually collapsed the country, but those who received a membership card in order to get closer to the feeding trough

          Yeah, it was apparently reptilians from Alpha Centauri. laughing
      10. +1
        12 March 2020 05: 04
        It is not customary for us to call the Communists to account.
        ... That's just Chubais is waking up.

        Chubais left the CPSU in June 1990.
        ... that it’s not the Communists who destroyed the country, but others.

        Just like the monarchists do not want to admit that the empire was destroyed by Nicholas II and the then elite.
    2. +28
      11 March 2020 16: 58
      Quote: paul3390
      But so far not a single bastard has answered for "perestroika" and "holy 90s" ..

      And he will not answer while the "guarantor" is in power! After all, it was nyash "fabulously popular leader" who once said that he would not allow any "rethinking" of the results of the 90s .....! angry So you .... cookie without butter! tongue
      1. +6
        11 March 2020 17: 10
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        And he will not answer while the "guarantor" is in power!


        by your analogy, if Chubais, Yavlinsky and Co. return to power, then they will begin to judge themselves and their accomplices from the 90s, and Lesha Navalny will give himself life for himself for treason and for taking loot from the Americans.
        1. +1
          12 March 2020 10: 21
          And what kind of treason does Navalny have? What is this treason, is that he takes thieves to clean water? If there was anything for it, then those in power would have put him in prison a long time ago, and so they simply miss all his investigations.
          1. 0
            14 March 2020 14: 19
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            in that he takes thieves to clean water


            in order to bring thieves to clean water, it’s unnecessary to take loot from Americans to take State Department trainings on changing the power and course of Russia to take.
      2. -1
        11 March 2020 17: 13
        He didn’t say this, do not confuse (he said that there would be no revision of privatization), moreover, it was Putin who said that the collapse of the USSR was the greatest catastrophe!
        1. +8
          11 March 2020 17: 59
          Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Moreover, it was Putin who said that the collapse of the USSR was the greatest catastrophe!

          What he said does not mean that someone will answer for it. And so far no one has been punished and will not be punished, but here is the congratulation of March 3, 2020
          Dear Mikhail Sergeevich! Congratulations on your birthday. - The second president of Russia, Vladimir Putin, congratulated the first and last president of the USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev. - You are rightfully considered an experienced, authoritative politician and statesman, a person who has played a significant role in national and world history. It is important that you still work hard today, pay tireless attention to significant public work, and implement demanded humanitarian projects. I wish you good health and success.
          - Congratulated the second president of Russia to the first and last president of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev
        2. +12
          11 March 2020 18: 17
          Putin said that the collapse of the USSR is the greatest disaster!
          ... On the eve of the bomb they found, planted by Lenin under the USSR, they say they cleared ... laughing
          1. +5
            11 March 2020 21: 14
            FSB prevented the terrorist attack organized by Ilyich?)))
        3. +5
          12 March 2020 01: 04
          Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
          He didn’t say that.

          Do not resort to verbal casuistry! ! As they say in such cases: is the essence in "terms" and not in the sense? And the meaning is well expressed by such popular expressions as: 1. what's on the forehead, what's on the forehead; 2, that shaved, that sheared, still bare; 3. that the white dog that the black ... anyway dog ! Do you remember about the "revision of privatization"? Is that all? In your opinion, Putin said nothing more? No really! There were other speeches, the meaning of which was: there will be no "revision" of the 90s! Putin recognizes the collapse of the USSR as the greatest disaster? (Interestingly, the girls are dancing! 4 pieces in a row!) When the disaster occurred at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station (also, in its own way, as they wrote then: the greatest and unique ...), then the culprits were quickly found, and the case against them was "opened "! They planted, they did not put it ... I don't remember ... but the leadership was removed! And where are those responsible for the collapse of the USSR? There is a disaster, but there are no guilty ones! Putin "sees" the catastrophe in the collapse of the USSR, but does not notice the guilty parties! All the guilty (whom the people consider as such ...) are in power and the feeding troughs! (For "feeding" Chubais, even "Nano" was invented!) But is it really the culprit ?! The point is that there has not been and is not happening, as they say in these cases, a "change of course"! The course that led the country, the people to impoverishment, to humiliation! The regime of power has remained the same as under EBN and this regime of repentance does not exist!
      3. -30
        11 March 2020 17: 14
        The country was torn apart by the Communists.
        You’ll even bruise your forehead for yourself, but it’s a fact.
        And then they sold out as much as they could.
        Who was above, then pocketed the land (Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, etc. according to the list)

        NOT ONE PARTY PARTY IN THE DIVISION OF THE COUNTRY WAS NOT !!! Well, the party was one Communist Party!

        But of course Putin is to blame wassat
        He gained arrogance and dared to return Crimea, and even to revive the army. laughing
        1. +10
          11 March 2020 18: 24
          Quote: For example
          The country was torn apart by the Communists.
          You’ll even bruise your forehead for yourself, but it’s a fact.

          All right. Including member of the CPSU Putin V.V.
          1. +2
            11 March 2020 19: 11
            Quote: Alex_59
            All right. Including member of the CPSU Putin V.V.

            He was too small a figure to derban ...
            Unlike communists such as Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
            1. 0
              11 March 2020 19: 56
              Quote: Spade
              He was too small a figure to derban ...

              Let's look at the concept of "derbanit" a little more broadly. Lieutenant colonel of the KGB, communist V.V. Putin took the oath to the USSR Union. Communist, officer! What did he do to defend the Motherland? Nothing? Like millions of other communists and non-party people? Then maybe it's not about the Communists, but something else? This is the first thing.
              And secondly, the subject presented above not specifically to Yeltsin and EBNu but to the Communists as a whole. So, in general, I cited one of the examples. But the subject so fiercely stigmatizing the Communists clearly does not intend to recall this moment from the biography of the adored Vladimir Vladimirovich.
              However, there is still a clinical picture. The Communists also ruined the Russian Empire. General Alekseev turns out to be a communist ...
              1. 0
                11 March 2020 20: 18
                Alex_59, and what did you do to protect the homeland?
                1. +3
                  11 March 2020 20: 34
                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  Alex_59, and what did you do to protect the homeland?

                  To protect my Soviet homeland, I did nothing because of my small age.
                  But, understanding your question, and so that it does not look like a sink, I will answer as if it’s the 91st year in the yard, when I am 38 years old. To protect my homeland, I honestly and efficiently worked in the posts to which I was appointed. He didn’t steal and basically didn’t philo, worked for the result. Life has not given me the opportunity to express myself differently, for the road to the power structures is closed to me because of my health. I also believe that in order to defend my Motherland it is very important that the government is subjected to constructive criticism and is replaced on a regular basis, because everything that is not updated becomes dead. He answered honestly, as is.
                  And a couple more caveats. If you have not noticed in my text there is a phrase: "Maybe then it is not about the communists but something else?" Let me expand it if the meaning is not clear. In those conditions, in 91, not all honest and loyal patriots, including the communists, and the officers who swore the oath, were able to orient themselves and understand where the evil is and where the good is. This is normal, a person is made like that. So let us then not indiscriminately blame "communists", "officers" or other groups of people for the collapse of the country. Nobody could defend my Soviet homeland. All the people could not. And I understand why. I probably would not have been able to either, considering how cunning and despicable her destruction was.
                  And the second one. All the same, with me, an ordinary person, the demand is slightly less than with a member of the CPSU, Lieutenant Colonel Putin V.V. Why? Because entering the ranks of the CPSU, he made an informed choice, he showed devotion to communism. Consequently, we can expect that from him a priori a greater initiative will follow to protect this party than from a simple person who did not swear this party.
                  1. +2
                    11 March 2020 21: 15
                    And why only Putin? Why didn’t you name Grachev, Lebed and others? Regiment commanders, battalions, divisions ...... Your answer to my question is much better than the comment itself ..... and it is in demand in Africa too , a person for that and reasonable to be responsible for his actions, thanks for the answer
                    1. +2
                      11 March 2020 21: 59
                      Quote: Andrey VOV
                      Why only Putin?

                      Just because the citizen whom I was responsible drowns for the fact that Putin is good, the communists are scoundrels. I don’t understand how this can be combined if Putin is a communist. Then either the communists are good, or Putin is ... radish in general.
                      Absurdity in general.
                      1. +2
                        11 March 2020 22: 01
                        Communist or not, among the Communists and ordinary people there are PEOPLE, but there are .... you know ...
                      2. +2
                        11 March 2020 22: 02
                        Quote: Andrey VOV
                        Communist or not, among the Communists and ordinary people there are PEOPLE, but there are .... you know ...

                        I totally agree.
                      3. 0
                        12 March 2020 10: 32
                        Quote: Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV (Andrey) Yesterday, 20:18 NEW

                        Alex_59, and what did you do to protect the homeland?

                        This is an empty question, or rather a provocative one, in order to divert the discussion to the side. Since it is legitimate to ask such a question not to all the people, but to people in the current government, who, by their official instructions, were supposed to protect the country and those who were given an oath to protect their homeland.
                      4. -1
                        12 March 2020 08: 54
                        Quote: Alex_59
                        Putin is good, the communists are scoundrels.

                        But lying, to put it mildly, is not good.
                        Even in a fit of controversy.
                      5. +1
                        12 March 2020 09: 26
                        Quote: Spade
                        But lying, to put it mildly, is not good.
                        Even in a fit of controversy.

                        This comment is not about you, but about a user with the nickname "For example"
                  2. -6
                    11 March 2020 22: 00
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    To protect my Soviet homeland, I did nothing because of my small age.

                    laughing
              2. -1
                11 March 2020 21: 57
                Quote: Alex_59
                Putin V.V. swore an oath to the USSR. Communist officer! What did he do to defend his homeland?

                They say that he behaved with dignity in Germany, at a certain moment and with a gun in his hands. feel
                1. +1
                  11 March 2020 22: 02
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  They say that he behaved with dignity in the GDR, at a certain moment and with a gun in his hands.

                  And I think that Putin is really well done, until 2012, in almost everything. For many things I can say thanks to him. And it’s even more insulting now, when, in general, the great politician slipped into such an abyss. He would leave on time - he would erect monuments across the country in 50 years. And now I don’t know what will happen ... Brezhnev can’t see the monuments ...
                  1. -3
                    11 March 2020 22: 08
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    And I think that Putin is really well done, until 2012, in almost everything

                    And I don’t think so, but I don’t pour mud in vain. request
                    1. +4
                      11 March 2020 22: 16
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      And I don’t think so, but I don’t pour mud in vain.

                      So I'm just for the job. What is happening now is a farce. For this, and demand.
              3. -3
                12 March 2020 08: 53
                Quote: Alex_59
                Let's look at the concept of "derbanit" a little wider.

                Then the "broader" can be extended to old communists, who died of hunger and lack of medicine in the 90s.
                Or does your "wider" work selectively?
        2. +5
          11 March 2020 21: 15
          Of course the communists. And the Russian empire is monarchists!
        3. -2
          11 March 2020 23: 57
          By the 91st there were no communists at the top; there were opportunists and renegades mimicking the communists.
      4. +1
        11 March 2020 21: 25
        That's why they are called their guarantor, because it protects a gang of crooks who privatized power and property.
    3. -13
      11 March 2020 17: 06
      When they die here and give the go-ahead. And some about after death can not be touched. Therefore, the idea is pushed for some individuals to be outside the law and the court.
      1. +25
        11 March 2020 17: 19
        Quote: vladimirvn
        When they die here and give the go-ahead.

        ebn is dead ... shevarnadze ... gaydar ... and many from that time the collapse of the country and industry are dead. and no one officially condemns them from the authorities ...
        1. +12
          11 March 2020 17: 33
          Quote: Red
          Quote: vladimirvn
          When they die here and give the go-ahead.

          ebn is dead ... shevarnadze ... gaydar ... and many from that time the collapse of the country and industry are dead. and no one officially condemns them from the authorities ...

          And how can the existing power condemn them if they came to this very power thanks to ebn, shevarnadze, gaylar?
        2. +3
          11 March 2020 21: 18
          How can one revisit a story? After all, Putin is connected with the umbilical cord. This will be a blow to charisma ... she can not stand it and go to another ...
          1. +2
            12 March 2020 00: 44
            Quote: Campanella
            After all, Putin is connected with the umbilical cord. This will be a blow to charisma ... she can not stand it and go to another.

            Correctly, condemning Yeltsin will learn that his successor is not a saint.
    4. +13
      11 March 2020 17: 11
      The people answered for everything!
    5. +22
      11 March 2020 17: 15
      Why should Kozyrev be surprised? An obvious agent of influence, who put all his forces to the collapse of the USSR. The current "hero" is Major General Tereshkova. This ... lady managed to talk about the delights of corn (Khrushchev), enthusiastically accepted the Brezhnev constitution of 1977, endless endorsement of perestroika, she respected Yeltsin very much. After 30 years in the CPSU, she happily joined EdRo ... And this lady is used as an example for young people.
    6. +12
      11 March 2020 17: 17
      Quote: paul3390
      But so far not a single bastard has answered for "perestroika" and "holy 90s" ..

      And who will be asking the perpetrators of the genocide of the people and the collapse of the country? We have indulgence for them.
      1. +8
        11 March 2020 17: 56
        Quote: Red

        And who will be asking the perpetrators of the genocide of the people and the collapse of the country? We have indulgence for them.

        They are not asked, they are awarded.
      2. +8
        11 March 2020 18: 10
        Quote: Red
        And who will be asking the perpetrators of the genocide of the people and the collapse of the country? We have indulgence for them.

        Well, they also give medals for that.
        And who will condemn such.
        1. -4
          11 March 2020 18: 20
          maybe stop blaming everything on a hunchback? he is only a pawn in this game, a scapegoat, the real creators are now sitting at the helm and own all the Soviet property
          1. -1
            11 March 2020 18: 52
            Quote: fruit_cake

            maybe stop blaming everything on a hunchback?

            Well, there’s no one to ask for the collapse. And there is someone to get medals.
            1. +1
              11 March 2020 18: 58
              go ask the factory owners
              1. -1
                11 March 2020 22: 28
                Quote: fruit_cake
                go ask the factory owners

                I'll ask you who created these factory owners, or rather the capitalists, by destroying the USSR and creating capitalism. You don't have to ask me, but the "humpback"
            2. -2
              11 March 2020 22: 25
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Well, there’s no one to ask for the collapse. And there is someone to get medals.

              I answer my question myself. Half the cons. Since you need to love Gorbachev and how to hate your country as well.
        2. +1
          11 March 2020 22: 31
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Well, they also give medals for that.

          Of the 20 and 8 minuses, again "democracy" wields, praises, this traitor to the country.
    7. +17
      11 March 2020 17: 19
      Quote: paul3390
      But so far not a single bastard has answered for "perestroika" and "holy 90s" ..

      So they are all in power.
    8. +6
      11 March 2020 17: 40
      Quote: paul3390
      But so far not a single bastard has answered for "perestroika" and "holy 90s" ..

      I hope so far. Although there are big doubts about this, looking at how the Chubais live with the hunchbacks, the rest are in a hurry to legalize life-long immunity for jurisdiction ... Or maybe one day they will replace all of them with lifelong immunity for the same lifelong term.
      1. -1
        11 March 2020 23: 05
        Quote: DMB 75
        Although there are big doubts about this, looking at how the Chubais live with the hunchbacks, the rest are in a hurry to legalize life-long immunity for jurisdiction.
        Dear Mikhail Sergeyevich! Congratulations on your birthday. You are rightly considered an experienced, authoritative politician and statesman, a man who has played a significant role in Russian and world history. It is important that you work hard today, pay constant attention to significant social work, and implement the humanitarian projects that are in demand. I wish you good health and success.
        March 03, 2020 the second president of Russia. And who will condemn him (Gorbachev of course)
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      3. +1
        12 March 2020 09: 29
        The term? Here's another, feed this bastard. A hemp tie is enough.
    9. +4
      11 March 2020 18: 21
      for "perestroika" and "saints of the 90s" no one answered ..
      Well, it's you in vain. Gorbachev was awarded the Order. In gratitude for the 90s, the Yeltsin Center was erected.
      1. +2
        11 March 2020 23: 07
        Quote: Gardamir
        Well, it's you in vain. Gorbachev was awarded the Order. In gratitude for the 90s, the Yeltsin Center was erected.

        Well, here is the tale and the tale, who worked for coo and for what. What may be the responsibility of these EBN and HMS. They are untouchable.
    10. -1
      11 March 2020 21: 57
      That shit ... bad. But the worst thing that they won’t answer.
      1. +1
        11 March 2020 23: 08
        Quote: Captive
        That shit ... bad. But the worst thing that they won’t answer.

        And you doubted "The capitalist, the capitalist does not hand over."
    11. +1
      12 March 2020 02: 06
      We can say that not one bastard fell on the rails.
  2. +5
    11 March 2020 16: 31
    The 90s, it turns out, were the “peak of power” in Russia. According to him, they were noted not only by the "economic upsurge", but also by the "development" of art, moreover, "science, education and business." Our country was in the “Big Eight” and “headed the CIS”, “political stability” reigned in it, there were no wars (!!!) and in general there was complete grace complete with the accompanying air-conditioning.

    Yeah ... I don’t know whether they laugh or swear ...
    1. -1
      12 March 2020 00: 04
      And I know what to do, until they completely shut off oxygen by digitalization. To go to ALL who have the right to vote in ALL elections!
      Then THESE will answer for EVERYTHING!
      But for this, people need to wake up and start thinking with their head, not their ass!
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      1. +3
        11 March 2020 16: 58
        Quote: For example
        People silently exclaimed YES! We want a car, apartment, cottage and in the summer to Turkey! Yes! Yes! Yes!
        But silently wisely kept silent

        Who can joke sleepers for fun? Miracles today in our forum VO!
    2. +6
      11 March 2020 16: 56
      Quote: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit
      During the annual address to the people of North Korea, the head of the DPRK, Kim Jong-un, said literally the following: - What do you want, like in Russia?

      Because he has the right, he has - now, as it was in our Union! The Chinese are inviting North Korean builders to erect multi-story buildings, which in DPRK is excellent! We know almost nothing about them - our pro-government press is afraid of attacks of nostalgia with access to the streets. Yes, colleague, the Ministry of State Security is cool! good
  4. +6
    11 March 2020 16: 34
    Those who were paid "rehabilitate". Often they are losers, idlers. In whom cunning, greed replaces the mind.
    1. +2
      11 March 2020 17: 05
      I would not say that Putin and Chubais are losers
      1. +1
        11 March 2020 17: 15
        And what did Putin say that the 90s is buzzing?
        1. +22
          11 March 2020 17: 16
          Of course - Yeltsin centers, stories about how good Sobchak and his Putin teacher Yeltsin and much more
  5. +29
    11 March 2020 16: 34
    Nobody is going to return the 90s, you just need to be aware that they have not gone anywhere in one form or another, and the ebn course continues, as they say, continuity. Only now everything has been retouched and the crimson jackets have been changed to "Brioni", and the lads are now more and more abroad, in merchants or in deputies of all stripes.
    1. +4
      11 March 2020 17: 18
      Quote: Malyuta
      Yes, and the course of ebna continues, as they say continuity.


      the course continues in only one area and this is the economy, which is why all the problems (from demography to pension reform) are established. Gaidaronomics, as it was established in the early 90s, still dominates, with the only difference being that its students and followers are promoting it instead of Gaidar.
      1. +2
        12 March 2020 00: 08
        the course continues in only one area

        No, not only in the economy! Crush all the social achievements that brought socialism.
        1. 0
          14 March 2020 14: 24
          Quote: NordUral
          No, not only in the economy! Crush all social achievements


          support and preservation of social achievements is based on the economy (simply to save and maintain social programs you need money and money is the economy).
          1. -1
            14 March 2020 17: 04
            Wow, but I didn’t know, lopvlad.
            1. 0
              15 March 2020 18: 38
              Quote: NordUral
              but I didn’t know


              apparently would not have known otherwise

              Quote: NordUral
              No, not only in the economy! Crush all social achievements


              did not write.
              1. -1
                16 March 2020 11: 36
                You do not perceive irony, like reality, lopvlad.
    2. +20
      11 March 2020 17: 21
      Quote: Malyuta
      ebna course continues

      and the center of his name in Yekaterinburg is established ...
      1. -1
        12 March 2020 00: 09
        They also squeaked about Moscow.
  6. Ham
    +6
    11 March 2020 16: 42
    here half of the commentators are
  7. +5
    11 March 2020 16: 49
    But they definitely don’t have a heart. And it is precisely because of their own cold and calculated heartlessness that such an audience is eager to plunge Russia into the new 90s, with all their “charms”. Then they lie ...
    There are no brains, no hearts, but the blog works like a clock! So they live, sick! I wonder how this would behave if he were there, in the 90s, at least for a year ?!
  8. +10
    11 March 2020 16: 51
    What is this individual born in 1972 can say about perestroika and indeed what he mentioned .... I judge by myself 1974. I remember only humpbacked with pluralism and perestroika, and then vouchers. So, apparently, this type is deliberately provoking because, due to its age, at the time of perestroika, it could not objectively evaluate anything.
  9. +7
    11 March 2020 16: 56
    Human memory is selective ... often the bad is forgotten, only the good is remembered ...
    But ... God forbid you live in a time of change ....
    1. 0
      12 March 2020 00: 11
      But ... God forbid you live in a time of change ....

      What time do we live, Masha?
      1. +3
        12 March 2020 06: 31
        Obviously not in the 90s ... Yes
  10. +19
    11 March 2020 17: 10
    When talking about the "saints of the 90s" demagogues usually deliberately omit some of the realities of that period, namely:
    1. A generation of specialists from the USSR was still working - and while some stood at the machine for pennies, other nimble ones taking advantage of the collapse of the system could grab a fat jackpot.
    2. The "bins of the homeland" were full - from small trade warehouses to huge strategic military warehouses ... Already in the 70s and 80s (when control from above weakened) a whole herd of "own people" grazed on these fields ... The 90s is the peak of taking away everything that was accumulated in the Soviet years - these processes became massive and did not last long, but brightly ...
    3. Citizens of the former huge country of soviets were naive and gullible in their mass, and nimble business guys could give the crowd anything - from boiled jeans to a flower carriage ...
    4. The state’s control over the media is gone, but the general moral standard of society has fallen, and you could write what you want, shoot what you want, PR for what you want, and also make a lot of money ...
    That is, the 90s was a hungry time for someone, but for someone it was the time when the manna from heaven was spilled .. Therefore, the sighs of some - this is just their nostalgia for the chaos in the country, - "when it was only necessary to lie under a palm tree and open your mouth and bananas poured into it themselves !!! "
  11. +9
    11 March 2020 17: 25
    It is necessary to arrange "quests" for such ... bloggers. To create for them the living conditions of the 90s of the XX century in some town near Moscow, for example, and let them live in these conditions without leaving for six months, and with their whole family, with their parents, brothers and sisters. And then let them tell (if, of course, they have the patience to survive and the conscience to tell the truth), how they got cereals and pasta, cigarettes, a bottle of vodka for a month, laundry soap and washing powder, as well as American dry rations and Chinese stew "Great Wall" , as the apotheosis of the "fraternal" assistance of the United States and China to post-Soviet Russia. To give them a salary in the amount of the cost of a metro pass during this time, not to pay their parents pensions, and feed the children in kindergarten with gruel, and then close the kindergarten altogether, because it was bought by the local lads to organize a casino. Moreover, these six months should fall in the autumn-winter period, so that the heating in the "quest" Khrushchev apartment can be turned off (how could it be without it, after all, Comrade Khrushchev is another guru of "democratic" reforms in the USSR), because rotten pipes heating main, but there are no new pipes, because the pipe plant has not been operating for a long time.
    This is, so to speak, a "peaceful" quest. And you can do quests and combat, also with full immersion in that atmosphere of the 90s. Optionally.
    As long as eyewitnesses of all this in real life are alive, you don't even need to direct anything. And then all sorts of "directors" in 50 years will come up with: "And how was it in the" holy "nineties?" And they take pictures of what. And here it seems to be a game, but with full immersion in that reality, so that the person does not speak nonsense.
    1. +1
      11 March 2020 18: 04
      Quote: 1536
      It is necessary to arrange "quests" for such ... bloggers. To create for them the living conditions of the 90s of the XX century in some town near Moscow, for example, and let them live in these conditions for six months without leaving, and with their whole family, with parents, brothers and sisters.

      I would like to object. Which year do you mean?
  12. -3
    11 March 2020 17: 38
    It is possible, like the 90s, to blame the Great Patriotic War period before Stalingrad, Stalin only under Stalingrad, rather even before Kursk, Putin did not appoint instead of himself to lead to Berlin.
  13. +7
    11 March 2020 17: 41
    If what muddiness went on account of the dashing and beautiful 90s, look for where here and there the radish hell jumped out of the snuff box !!! With his hilarious goat, the goats of goats of horned devils!
    Go to the smell of sulfur ... tf-at babosikov of course.
    1. +2
      11 March 2020 18: 03
      wanted to write - red hell! - network / internet to hell, as they say! Tf-y, where you do not spit on him and the infection came across.
  14. +4
    11 March 2020 17: 52
    And this trump card is not the offspring of that very Minister of Foreign Affairs Kozyrev ... who was involved in the collapse of the USSR and was proud of it while sitting in London ??? To ruin a country and be proud of it can only be a level 80 morality.
  15. +2
    11 March 2020 18: 08
    One would think that no one lived in the 90s. And who lived, he remembers what the struggle was for property. Only enterprises such as VAZ, the Krasnoyarsk aluminum plant and others passed from hand to hand. Brothers from Transcaucasia joined in this fight. Winners passed into twenty first century.
  16. -1
    11 March 2020 18: 09
    An attempt to "rehabilitate" the 90s - who needs it and why
    In any case, not people, but nonhumans! Pivovarov, Svanidzam, Khlevnyuk, Yeltsin, Sobchak.
  17. +8
    11 March 2020 18: 41
    When the Yeltsin center is closed, a gathering of liberals. Go to the cemetery and look at the dates on the graves, there are just a huge number of graves in the 90s. Starting with the pompous monuments to the "heroes of the criminal revolution" and ending with ordinary people, about whom Gaidar and Chubais talked about, since they did not fit into market relations, then they have only one way to the cemetery. This whole crowd of demons thinks that people have forgotten, but we remember all this.
    1. +1
      11 March 2020 22: 52
      Quote: tank64rus
      just a huge number of graves in the 90s

      and right now live forever! You probably haven’t been in the cemetery since the 90s ..
      Nothing, another change to the Constitution will soon fix this matter
    2. +1
      12 March 2020 09: 37
      No need to close. Rename it to "Center of Shame", show there a video sequence of how Benya led himself "by blue melon", with conducting and other excesses; add there polls from the "90s", where young people answer the question of who they want to be after school, when boys dreamed of becoming gangsters, and girls - foreign exchange prostitutes; other artifacts of the era. To remember the country's greatest shame.
  18. +2
    11 March 2020 18: 59
    Quote: paul3390
    But so far not a single bastard has answered for "perestroika" and "holy 90s" ..

    Because those who betrayed and killed the country, brought the people to their knees and organized a "world derriban", a once mighty power, they are all in power, they continue to derriban it in the same way, eat sweetly and sleep softly. They created an inherited estate society where people live other laws, written by them for themselves, loved ones and in no way connect their future with this territory and with these little people.
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  20. +4
    11 March 2020 19: 12
    "Gorbachevism" is a black hole into which a great country has plunged.
    And only those who in their right mind found the USSR understand that we have lost ...
    1. -8
      11 March 2020 19: 52
      And what happened to Gorbachev? Why are you all blaming him?
      He came when the country was in full swing in the ass ..
      because for several years they ruled it, consider lying under the droppers ..
      Say thanks to the elders from the Politburo .. Now, by the way, we are going there too ...
      1. +3
        11 March 2020 21: 26
        Quote: Crystal of Truth
        He came when the country was in full swing in the ass ..

        Well, yes, yes, yes, and labeled instead of lying under the rink and stopping, he also pushed
        Do not tell me who it was necessary to agree to surrender the GDR without having received a dime from this and left mattress bases in Germany, despite the fact that the FRG was ready to pay for the absorption of the GDR HUGE grandmas ?!
        stupidity or betrayal? !!!!
        ps then in what place was China USSR did not even dream
        1. -6
          12 March 2020 07: 10
          Well, yes, yes .. In the country, there’s really nothing to eat, everywhere there are lines in shops like in a mausoleum, on the outskirts, here and there, the republics reach the war between themselves .. It’s time to think of the GDR, of course ..
          1. 0
            12 March 2020 07: 45
            let’s leave nothing to eat tales about, besides, apparently, you don’t know how to perceive what you read or, in principle, you don’t understand the topic
            the first refused the money that the USSR needed
            the second lost the only travel ally
            the third strengthened the enemy
            fourth lost influence
            continue to continue starving you our
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  22. -1
    11 March 2020 20: 36
    This Kozyrev in the 90s turned eighteen years old, what can he know about the 90s!
  23. -1
    11 March 2020 21: 23
    The main thing is to troll everyone and braid the braid of the people.
    Already with this Constitution it is so imposed on the head that you begin to think about a big madhouse called Russia. I won’t be surprised if people jump to accept amendments to the Constitution and lather themselves with a rope and bitches to look thicker.
    The theater of the absurd, that’s what propaganda does to people. By the way, it would not hurt to introduce a ban on the manipulation of consciousness into the Constitution in order to strengthen personal power.
  24. +4
    11 March 2020 22: 10
    90s ... saints? I worked hard and terribly in the 90s to get my family out of poverty and gloom. Somewhere enterprises went bankrupt, workers were thrown into the streets - all this passed me by, the only thing I could observe was a huge number of deaths in their various versions. I remember how the owner of the shed that I was shooting died and decomposed from the heat. They identified only by smell. How the owner of another shed I was shooting died from beatings. And how the owner of the apartment rented later was killed - a musician; how the owner of another apartment died of lack of insulin. Death walked alongside and on his heels. In winter, the police packed the frozen homeless people taken from the lawns into black bags - a frosty winter is such a rarity in the south, but it happened. And the beautiful Lola was brutally tortured, tortured - her body was found in the attic in such a state that it’s scary to say. Even "Novaya" reported this case. I remember how the city shuddered at the details of the murder of a family that owned a large supermarket. I remember how they killed a man behind a thin metal wall, I remember the countless deaths of unfamiliar young people. I remember how I was robbed several times, and I had to start all over again, I remember how I was plunged into depression, and still unable to get out of it, I remember ... I remember everything. In great detail. And I will never forgive. Burn in hell those who arranged it!
  25. -1
    11 March 2020 22: 11
    living liberators such as a trump card in court.
  26. 0
    11 March 2020 23: 40
    Not only the 90s, but also the 2000s, to this day, for which all those who arranged it and continue this vile deed will still have to answer.
    Today's vote in the Duma proves this.
  27. +1
    12 March 2020 00: 08
    In about 55 volumes written by V.I. Lenin, along with things that are now absolutely unacceptable, contain downright absolute truths. For example, "ideas then become the locomotives of history when they take possession of the masses." Historical figures always only express the mood of the masses. Not one, so another. He who does not express will be swept away. Sooner or later - depends on the circumstances. But they will definitely sweep away. And if the masses have become blind, they push the same blind men who lead them into the pit. Well, what can you do if by 1991 the masses were really seized by the idea that it is worth knocking out the party gerontocrats, how will we all live like American millionaires? The not too large percentage of those who did not believe does not count. The bulk believed. She poured into rallies in support of Yeltsin. Seemingly cultured people enthusiastically threw in fake ballots.

    An is a bummer. But who to curse? Too many were thinking in the same direction, and the fact that the majority were in flight does not change the matter. According to Rozanov, "Tsarist Russia faded in three days. Absolutely nothing was left - neither the troops, nor the administration, nor the police." The fall of the monarchy too quickly led to Bonapartism, and there was no real Bonaparte, but only parodic applicants, and then to complete anarchy and separatism up to the volost level, followed by a war of all against all.

    No matter how brutally the Bolsheviks acted, one must not curse them, but thank that they kept the country from complete collapse. In this case, those disasters that occurred during the Civil War would have seemed like flowers. Not the Bolsheviks organized the paralysis of trade and industry - in 1918 they were still too small. This happened spontaneously. The masses made history. An additional surplus was introduced by the tsarist government in 1916. The Bolsheviks only tinkered with the only more or less organized force on which they could rely - the industrial proletariat. It is just as much dictatorship of the proletariat that many people don’t like now (I personally would not like it too) saved Russia at that time and kept it as a relatively unified whole. Another question is that the threads, which later began to be sewn together stronger in the indestructible Union, turned out to be rotten.

    But still, unlike tsarist Russia, the USSR did not completely fade. The core was preserved, complete paralysis did not occur. Who was already an adult before perestroika, understands that many of the social achievements of the USSR in Russia have been preserved by now, and some have even been improved. Take medicine. Was it possible to present free CT and MRI in the district clinic in Soviet times? This simply did not happen in the USSR. And this is the correct early diagnosis. They still do not always treat correctly - I know on my own holey skin. But the trend is positive. This is all expensive equipment, in Soviet times it was impossible to imagine anything like this not only in the district clinic, but also in a fairly good hospital. Maybe it was in the Kremlin. That is, in comparison with the present time, doctors, in fact, acted blindly. Compared to CT and MRI, the x-ray is almost blind. He sees when little can be done. If now it is not always everywhere and does not always give the proper return - not all at once. Referral to free CT and MRI scans is not so difficult. And more recently, it was an expensive commercial procedure, and not otherwise.

    And what is this going on? Here Lenin's other position is relevant: "A new society always matures in the depths of the old." It is still somewhat unclear what this is maturing, but it is clear that it is not the 90s. Those who want them back will get nowhere. The people do not want this.
  28. -4
    12 March 2020 00: 36
    Quote: Nikolai Korovin
    No matter how brutally the Bolsheviks acted, one must not curse them, but thank that they kept the country from complete collapse. In this case, those disasters that occurred during the Civil War would have seemed like flowers. Not the Bolsheviks organized the paralysis of trade and industry - in 1918 they were still too small. This happened spontaneously. The masses made history. An additional surplus was introduced by the tsarist government in 1916. The Bolsheviks only tinkered with the only more or less organized force on which they could rely - the industrial proletariat. It is just as much dictatorship of the proletariat that many people don’t like now (I personally would not like it too) saved Russia at that time and kept it as a relatively unified whole. Another question is that the threads, which later began to be sewn together stronger in the indestructible Union, turned out to be rotten.

    Nonsense. The surplus appropriation system is the brainchild of the Bolsheviks, an instrument of collectivization. For the terror of their own people, repression and executions, they had to be destroyed as ISIS. Lenin (I was already tired of repeating this) helped the German General Staff to arrange a coup with us and withdraw Russia from the First World War. Everything else sugary is even disgusting to read.
  29. +1
    12 March 2020 00: 38
    Quote: Tank Hard
    I answered the same ...

    Unfortunately I must say, you sir, yap.
  30. +3
    12 March 2020 01: 10
    Quote: Alex_59
    And I think that Putin is really well done, until 2012, in almost everything.

    This is what is so interesting fellow? Well, yes, at high prices for oil and gas you can look like a sort of master patron. just look.
    Only at the very beginning of his rule did Putin immediately show his complete incompetence in the economy and a lack of understanding of the consequences of his decisions.
    Example? You are welcome. The collapse of medicine began with the "master's" "broad gesture" when he visited the district Moscow clinic. (Broadcast widely on TV) after seeing long queues to see a doctor. Remember Putin ordered to double the salaries of therapists? Therapists have been promoted, but the therapist and specialist nurses have not. Here it began, you are a therapist twice as much, so treat everyone yourself. An absolute mess began in the clinics.
    Then this idea to the teacher is the average salary in the region, to the professor two average salaries in the region.
    As a result, all salaries were completely divorced from real labor achievements across the country. The officials began to grow at a frantic pace, all the rest fell. The average salary in Moscow turned out to be twice as high as in any Chelyabinsk, that is, a doctor receives at least twice as much for an appendicitis operation in Moscow as a doctor in Chelyabinsk. The question is, what do people in Chelyabinsk have anatomically simpler structure? Or is it more difficult for a teacher in Moscow to teach a first-grader than in Chelyabinsk?
    Everyone is now climbing into Moscow, the regions are emptying, industry is stagnating.
    So, dear Alex, and the impoverishment and collapse of industry, education and medicine is a direct result of Putin’s ill-conceived decisions of the early 2000s. Just after 2012, oil prices fell and the margin of safety of the system was over.
    1. +1
      12 March 2020 09: 47
      Well, in general, attributing to Putin what Yeltsin did is still disgusting. He then raised his salaries - but he did this so that those who occupy these professions received with dignity and did not quit their job.
      I repeat once again what Putin did good: he saved the country from territorial disintegration, preserved its sovereignty, stabilized the economy so that crises did not affect the common man in any way, eliminated terrorists, curbed dashing banditry, wrapped tails to such oligarchs as Berezovsky, Litvinenko and Khodorkovsky, He modernized the power structures - having made them more professional, he returned the Crimea, showed the West his teeth - this is what came to mind. His role in the history of our Fatherland is the role of the person who picked up our country at the moment when it continued to disintegrate, the person who raided the problems inherited from the USSR and Yeltsin, the person who lifted the country from its knees and put it firmly on its feet, returned most residents have a relatively quiet, peaceful, calm and prosperous life, and now slowly and faithfully returning to it the status of a superpower.
      Threat can minus me as much as you like.
      1. -1
        13 March 2020 07: 24
        I don’t remember something, that in 2000 Russia would try to break up .. Maybe in 93-95 years .. And by 2000 all these processes had calmed down
        1. 0
          14 March 2020 00: 24
          And what did Putin presidency only in 2000? And in the following then who was the president? Vasya Pupkin?
          But what about the separatists in Siberia and the Urals? The plans of the militants to seize the Stavropol Territory, Rostov Region, and in the future to create an Islamic state in the European part of the country?
          1. -1
            14 March 2020 06: 25
            But how are separatists in the Urals? I don’t know. Share
            1. -1
              14 March 2020 06: 33
              In the sense that "as separatists in the Urals"? How do they live there ?!
              Share what? A link to the mention of them or to share the separatists laughing ?
              1. -2
                14 March 2020 06: 36
                Share something. Here I remember in the 93rd Ural Republic .. But it's the 93rd .. And by 2000 I don’t remember that the country would break up .. Putin came when all these creeps were already covered .. Well, except for Chechnya
                1. -1
                  14 March 2020 06: 45
                  Yes, the idea of ​​the Ural Republic among local separatists is still alive.
                  Regarding the prevention of the collapse of the country:
                  https://www.pravda.ru/politics/1471944-polpredy/
                  1. -1
                    14 March 2020 06: 53
                    Such ideas at all times and in all countries were enough ..
                    On the link waving fists after a fight ..
                    But in fact the bottom was passed to Putin ..
                    It came when the economy began to show growth and political processes settled down ..
                    And then oil flooded up
                    1. -1
                      14 March 2020 06: 55
                      Well, I don’t know, I don’t know. Do you think that if Yeltsin continued to remain in power, then things themselves would start to go well themselves?
                      Waving is not waving - but trying to tear the root of the problem.
                      1. 0
                        14 March 2020 07: 00
                        I think that Putin is credited with just too much .. He begins to grow into myths ..
                      2. -1
                        14 March 2020 07: 04
                        For some reason, I really don’t think so. In the end, you got my answer to your question about separatism after the 2000s. As such, there were no more sores on the territory of our country like Chechnya. But the creation of federal districts is a way to prevent potential attempts to collapse the country. It does not look like waving fists after a fight - rather, working with errors and negative experience in correcting them.
                        Here is another quote from https://regnum.ru/news/239002.html
                        "A year later, Russian President Vladimir Putin issues a decree on the creation of federal districts in the country and on the appointment of plenipotentiary representatives of the President in these districts."
                      3. -1
                        14 March 2020 07: 19
                        Quote: Nameless
                        But the creation of federal districts is a way to prevent potential attempts to collapse the country.

                        This is generally the idea of ​​Zhirinovsky. In the 94th year, he wrote about this in his brochures.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Stabilized the economy so that crises in no way affected the average person,

                        Yeah, I paid 600 rubles for a communal apartment about zero year. Now - under 8 thousand. Good stability!
                        Quote: Nameless
                        curbed dashing banditry,

                        Abolished the organized crime control departments, abolished confiscation by the second election, announced an amnesty to the militants, and from his filing they began to buy weapons from the militants ...
                        Quote: Nameless
                        slowly and faithfully returning her superpower status.

                        Hehe, we can’t even lay a gas pipe.
                        Papuans-Saudis and they bend us.
                      4. -1
                        14 March 2020 07: 35
                        1). And where did I say that this is the idea of ​​Putin, not Zhirinovsky? Putin has already signed a decree creating districts. Those. in fact, he practically realized this idea. Do it yourself with your own hands
                        2). As for the cost of a communal apartment, I will not say anything yet - it seems that the housing and communal services are raising tariffs in proportion to the increase in incomes of citizens.
                        3). Amnesty was given only to those who showed themselves little. Redemption of weapons, I think, was the only way to disarm the region that was stuffed with weapons without re-igniting them without fear.
                        4). Regarding the anti-OP departments (excerpt from the wiki):
                        "In 2001, the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, Boris Gryzlov, decides on the next reorganization of this service. RUBOPs cease to exist. On the basis of some of them, Operational-Investigative Bureaux are created under the Main Directorates for the federal districts. Subdivisions in the regions and districts of Moscow have returned to local subordination and became part of the criminal militia.The body became known as the Organized Crime Control Department of the GUVD (of a particular region).
                        In 2008, Russian President Medvedev decides to liquidate the service for combating organized crime and create units on their basis for combating extremism and state protection. In 2015, the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia Kolokoltsev makes decisions on the liquidation of the Main Directorates of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the federal districts (except for the North Caucasus), as well as ORB created on the basis of RUBOP. "
                        Now their duties are assigned to the criminal investigation department and the Department for Economic Crimes and Crimes (departments for combating economic crimes).
                        5). Confiscation of property returned to the Criminal Code on July 29, 2006
                        6). If you think that laying a pipe through a number of countries, some of which are members of NATO (in which the United States play a leading role - to which their interests are more important than the interests of ordinary members) and other former union republics of the USSR with Russophobic views is very spacious - you're an naive person.
                      5. -2
                        14 March 2020 07: 40
                        Quote: Nameless
                        . If you think that laying a pipe through a number of countries, some of which are members of NATO (in which the United States play a leading role - to which their interests are more important than the interests of ordinary members) and other former union republics of the USSR with Russophobic views is very spacious - you're an naive person.

                        And that you call
                        Quote: Nameless
                        slowly and faithfully returning her superpower status.

                        And which of us is naive?
                      6. 0
                        14 March 2020 07: 43
                        And what is the contradiction between my answer to your question about the difficulties of wiring oil and gas pipelines through the capricious NATO member states and the Russophobic republics of the United States, and my statement about the "slow and sure return of the superpower status"?
                        In your opinion, it turns out that a superpower would lay pipes without anyone’s permission, by force, without asking if they are needed by the country that they are laying them with? laughing
                      7. 0
                        14 March 2020 07: 52
                        Quote: Nameless
                        What is the contradiction between my answer to your question about the difficulties of piping oil and gas pipelines through the capricious sub-hench USA, NATO member countries and Russophobian republics,

                        In that they lean against strong countries, turn away from weak ones. Now even Belarusians are turning away from us. Based on this, I conclude that our country has weakened. This is far from the Russian Empire, where Jamaica or, for example, the Greek islands wanted to enter. And this is the result of Putin’s rule. You can minus how much will fit. By the way, public utilities at the beginning of the zero stated that in order for their services to work profitably, the price of their services must be raised by a hundred percent. Since then, prices have risen by more than a thousand percent, and are not going to stop.
                      8. -1
                        14 March 2020 07: 59
                        That was probably the USSR at the end of the 80s was strong, if at first the Baltic states declared their independence, then - Armenians with Azerbaijanis, and then the rest of the republics left the Union. And before, who treated the USSR with respect? Yes, no one. Only those regimes that verbally tried to show their adherence to the ideas of communism and with a mouthful promised to follow the path of the USSR in exchange for providing material assistance. Even China was hostile.

                        These countries have a patron, which is why they behave in a similar brazen manner - both on their whim and on US interests.

                        The result of Putin’s rule? Or maybe the last general secretaries of the USSR and Yeltsin?
                        Do you blame Putin that Jamaica and the Greek islands are not included in the Republic of Ingushetia? laughing

                        About communal services, I can’t tell you anything yet - I was not particularly interested in this topic.
                      9. -1
                        14 March 2020 08: 15
                        Quote: Nameless
                        And before, who treated the USSR with respect? Yes, no one.

                        Insolent lies. It is enough to recall the Olympics 80 and compare with the current one, where our athletes perform under a white rag.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        That was probably the USSR at the end of the 80s was strong, if at first the Baltic states declared their independence, then - Armenians with Azerbaijanis, and then the rest of the republics left the Union.

                        It was Gorbachev who passed everything. Read the memoirs of the US ambassador to the USSR Matlock, read how Strict Dwarf persistently recommended Gorbi not to give up positions to limit the INF, how this condom was awarded a bribe for recognizing South Korea, etc.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Do you blame Putin that Jamaica and the Greek islands are not included in the Republic of Ingushetia?

                        Do not distort. Even Old Man Lukashenko does not recognize Crimea, because in this case he will be instantly disconnected from the banking system. Not a single CSTO country recognized Crimea. These are our allies.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        I was not particularly interested in this topic.

                        Yes, in the process you don’t pay for communal services. Take at least once a hand payment, take an interest.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Even China was hostile.

                        China became hostile after Khrushchev obsessed Stalin.
                      10. -1
                        14 March 2020 08: 28
                        1). In every possible way they tried to disrupt it under the pretext of aggression of the USSR in Afghanistan
                        2). Perhaps the nationalist organizations in the Union republics were created by Gorbachev themselves, right?
                        3). This is politics. Yesterday you are doing joint projects with some partners, today they benefit from this and you are yours, and tomorrow you will already disperse to different partners. This is life, and there are no eternal bonds in it. Russia has only one friend and ally - these are its power structures.
                        4). I also pay for gas, water, electricity, removal of solid waste and from time to time for overhaul. For some reason, it doesn’t work out for me.
                        5). I already know that China was hostile after debunking the mustachioed cult. You better tell me in the history of our country at least one state that really was, is and will be our faithful ally.
                      11. -1
                        14 March 2020 08: 42
                        Quote: Nameless
                        In every possible way they tried to disrupt it under the pretext of aggression of the USSR in Afghanistan

                        The participating countries simply sent the USA and their sixes to the forest.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Perhaps the nationalist organizations in the Union republics were created by Gorbachev themselves, right?

                        Nefig was to weaken the reins. Gorby rode the world and played democracy.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        This is politics. Yesterday you are doing joint projects with some partners, today they benefit from this and you are yours, and tomorrow you will already disperse to different partners. This is life, and there are no eternal bonds in it. Russia has only one friend and ally - these are its power structures.

                        Haha That's right, let's continue to forgive debts to the Uzbeks. Why then all the treaties on the CSTO and the EAEU? Right, Putin’s failed policy.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        For some reason, it doesn’t work out for me.

                        In the USSR they paid about 12 rubles a month for odnushka. With a minimum salary of 70. Yes, and somehow they managed to change the battery tubes for free.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        You better tell me in the history of our country at least one state that really was, is and will be our faithful ally.

                        How are we going to have allies with such a policy? Do not tell my slippers.
                      12. -1
                        14 March 2020 08: 55
                        1). They sent something, but only the United States began to support the Afghans and create the Taliban
                        2). I’ll tell you a little secret - these organizations were created long before Gorbachev.
                        3). A lot of things we have recently forgiven for Ukrainians and Belarusians in terms of debts for oil and gas? Over the past 5 years, have we simply written off many debts to whom?
                        4). Ohhh, wages and salaries in the USSR is a very deep topic. I'll put it off for later when I have more free time laughing
                        5). I will repeat my question once again: you better name in the history of our country at least one state that really was, is and will be our faithful ally. Read it carefully. Then again. And then - until you reach enlightenment and understanding of what I wanted to hear from you in response.
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                      14. -1
                        14 March 2020 09: 00
                        Please look at my other comment, where I wrote in black and white that: "This is politics. Yesterday you are doing joint projects with some partners, today they benefit from this and you are yours, and tomorrow you are going to different sides to other partners. This is life, and there are no eternal bonds in it. Russia has only one friend and ally - these are its power structures."
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                      16. -1
                        14 March 2020 09: 06
                        Think what you want. I am more than sure that you have your own, only true and undeniable opinion on this issue. However, I wonder how a person with a Soviet-themed avatar can argue for faith?
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                      18. -1
                        14 March 2020 09: 19
                        If a communist is a believer, then this is not a communist but a functionary. For the teachings of Karl Marx reject any faith.
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                      20. -1
                        14 March 2020 09: 05
                        Quote: Nameless
                        I’ll tell you a little secret - these organizations were created long before Gorbachev.

                        Even without you, I know perfectly well who, when, and what I created.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        A lot of things we have recently forgiven for Ukrainians and Belarusians in terms of debts for oil and gas? Over the past 5 years, have we simply written off many debts to whom?

                        For four five-year rule of Putin-a lot.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        I'll put it off for later when I have more free time

                        Come on, come on. Go deep into the topic, otherwise I get the impression that I am talking with a victim of the exam.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        You better tell me in the history of our country at least one state that really was, is and will be our faithful ally.

                        Do you really think that someone wants to be our ally in our throwing from imperialism to socialism, and then to capitalism. Yes, we lost all our allies in such a way.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        And then - until you reach enlightenment and understanding of what I wanted to hear from you in response.

                        You are tired of me. Remain with your opinion, I am too lazy to tap into you.
                      21. -1
                        14 March 2020 09: 11
                        Yes, you already bought me with your training manual. In principle, I have nothing to do with your arguments - for they are far-fetched and designed to bring confusion and vacillation in fragile minds. I keep hearing this crap of yours about how "everything was lost" ever since Putin became the first president.
                      22. 0
                        16 March 2020 02: 10
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Over the past 5 years, have we simply written off many debts to whom?

                        Russia has written off more than 140 billion, over the past 5 years about 36 billion.
                        Is 36 billion a lot or a little?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        I’ll tell you a little secret - these organizations were created long before Gorbachev.

                        Yes, there were no organizations "for a long time" so they were balaboling in the kitchen. But Gorbachev, with his chatter and kisses with the West, cultivated the soil for the nationalists.
                        Moreover, these problems were easily solved, only Gorbachev was afraid to arrest 3 criminals in Belovezhskaya Pushcha who committed a coup in violation of the referendum of the peoples of the USSR
                        Quote: Nameless
                        I will repeat my question once again: you better name in the history of our country at least one state that really was, is and will be our faithful ally.

                        By definition, there are no faithful allies. The problem of the USSR and Russia is that it buys the "love" of neighbors for money, but there is no true love for money.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Yesterday you are doing joint projects with some partners, today they benefit from this and you are yours

                        The problem is that anyone other than Russia benefited from the policies of Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Putin. They only know how to write off debts and give out new bad loans. 3 billion to Ukraine, a gas pipeline and a Turkish power station, a gas pipeline to China over the past 5 years
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Russia has only one friend and ally - its power structures. "

                        That is, the people of Russia are an enemy of Russia? And about the power structures you are deeply mistaken, some colonels with billions of cash in their apartments are worth something.
                      23. -1
                        16 March 2020 06: 38
                        1). Few. Our country is able to earn this amount in a week - I'm talking about your 140 billion.
                        2). The fanatic version of the sect of witnesses of the socialist camp that the USSR did not fall apart and it was destroyed. As always, you deny that he was initially unviable, and rested only on lies and repression.
                        3). Yeah, you still say that we do not help humanitarian aid and do not provide military assistance. Stop flogging nonsense - it hurts.
                        4). Everything became clear to me after you wrote that the contracts for the construction of a gas pipeline and power plants abroad are not in the interests of the Russian economy.
                        five). Many of you, with Ukrainian passports, posing as "Russians dissatisfied with Putin's policy" were at last year's rallies to prevent independent candidates for the State Duma elections. Nehru to anoint and cover with people. Moreover, they started another cry from Sharikov about the fact that there are those in Russia whose services are paid dearly.
                        In general, perish, "fighter with the regime"!
                      24. -1
                        17 March 2020 00: 42
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Few. Our country is able to earn this amount in a week - I'm talking about your 140 billion.

                        Earn $ 140 billion per week, but you’re my friend Troll, and not economically educated and not smart by nature.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        The fanatic version of the sect of witnesses of the socialist camp that the USSR did not fall apart and it was destroyed. As always, you deny that he was initially unviable, and rested only on lies and repression.

                        Was the USSR not viable? But he defeated Hitler and the whole of Europe under his heel, France could not even provide primitive resistance, and the USSR won. If the USSR was not viable, then why in a referendum the majority of the population voted to preserve it. Troll, you can spit saliva here as much as you like, but the USSR was just ruined, such as you idiots, only in power.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Yeah, you still say that we do not help humanitarian aid and do not provide military assistance. Stop flogging nonsense - it hurts.

                        Can you read? I just wrote about love for money, but how to pay humanitarian aid or military aid is the tenth thing.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Everything became clear to me after you wrote that the contracts for the construction of a gas pipeline and power plants abroad are not in the interests of the Russian economy.

                        If you think it’s in your interests, prove it and don’t shake the air for nothing. Swell billions of dollars, so that after ten years to pump resources, repulsing investments in the construction, with a muddy prospect to get profit.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        There are many of you with Ukrainian passports posing as "Russians dissatisfied with Putin's policy" were at last year's rallies

                        Troll, I’m with a name and surname, and you’re nameless, it’s more like you are a Ukrainian provocateur, not me.
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                      26. -1
                        14 March 2020 08: 43
                        "A way to prevent potential attempts" didn’t "save the country from collapse," did it?
                        In fact, all the same, it was Yeltsin who kept the situation in the most difficult conditions .. When the property was redistributed and oil was worth a penny ..
                        Putin came when the hardest was still behind
                      27. 0
                        14 March 2020 09: 22
                        Perhaps, if you take into account that I am on my feet for the second day and do not quite remember the content of my previous comments - oh, already about 45! He could well have made a reservation. But in any case, I did not write "saved the country from collapse", but "preserved territorial integrity" (sort of like that) - this is also not what you attributed to me.
                        Yeltsin kept power under him, and not the situation - he did not control it at all with any skirt. Everyone did what he wanted.
      2. 0
        13 March 2020 21: 55
        Quote: Nameless
        Threat can minus me as much as you like.

        Why minus the troll, for that they pay you money)
        Quote: Nameless
        saved the country from territorial disintegration

        What is the decay in 2000m? What are you talking about?
        Quote: Nameless
        stalbilized economy

        Well, the ruble is steadily jumping + 20% from any blow of the breeze, and the budget is completely dependent on the price of oil.
        Quote: Nameless
        crises in no way affected the common man

        Well, of course, ordinary people do not notice a price increase in stores, but an increase in payments for housing and communal services. Remind you how much bread, travel and meat cost in 2000m?
        Quote: Nameless
        eliminated terrorists, curbed dashing banditry

        Remind about terrorist attacks committed after 2000?
        Quote: Nameless
        screwed tails to such oligarchs as Berezovsky, Litvinenko and Khodorkovsky

        In fact, Litvinenko is not an oligarch but a KGB officer; he was credited with polonium poisoning in England.
        Quote: Nameless
        Modernized power structures - making them more professional

        This is generally complete nonsense; renaming the police into the police did not make it professional. From the inside, I know what is happening with GDP in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the UK and the FSB. Some FSB colonels with billions of cash in apartments are worth something. So this is complete nonsense.
        Quote: Nameless
        showed the West teeth

        As a result, sanctions and stagnation.
        Quote: Nameless
        inherited from the USSR

        Well, yes, they continued to take on the inheritance, in the end they all squandered.
        Quote: Nameless
        this is what came to mind

        It is a pity that nothing but stupidity comes to your mind.
        1. -4
          14 March 2020 00: 52
          I do not see any reason to enter into a discussion with a talking head pouring from his mouth with pearls from the liberal manual of the "usepalschik". This is for you "instead of a thousand words" love
          1. -2
            17 March 2020 00: 44
            Quote: Nameless
            I see no reason to enter into a discussion

            Wimp, it’s better to be silent; you certainly won’t become smart, but you won’t immediately show your gut.
            1. -1
              17 March 2020 00: 46
              Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh laughing what brutal men we are! Well, what a cowboy: harness horses and chase or stand and sweat laughing ?
  31. 0
    12 March 2020 04: 21
    We must somehow justify the collapse of the USSR. So, Goebbels' hope is being stifled in the hope of turning the uninformed into Svidomites.
  32. +1
    12 March 2020 10: 03
    Quote: Tank Hard
    ... and went to the toilet at night ....

    Spying? Not good!
    Regrettably. That you don’t know the history of your country. That you can’t comprehend what is written to you.
    Quote: Tank Hard
    ... (rehabilitation refused).

    The bandit, the murderer and part-time father Pavlik Morozov and his brother also tried to rehabilitate
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  35. -1
    12 March 2020 15: 27
    Quote: Tank Hard
    In the 90s it was stupid not to eat, often ... Are you malnourished now?

    how did you get that phrase, experts. I didn’t starve even then, and now I don’t starve, I worked, and I had everything
    1. 0
      14 March 2020 03: 39
      Speak for yourself alone - do not judge others by yourself.
      1. 0
        14 March 2020 08: 16
        like
  36. 0
    12 March 2020 15: 30
    Quote: Nameless
    Lenin (I was already tired of repeating this) helped the German General Staff to arrange a coup with us and withdraw Russia from the First World War

    Are there any links? these are your allegations
    1. -1
      14 March 2020 03: 38
      Read history books for a start. Encyclopedias also do not hurt.
      https://www.kramola.info/vesti/letopisi-proshlogo/pochemu-lenin-priehal-v-plombirovannom-vagone
      1. 0
        14 March 2020 08: 17
        you still recommend wikipedia
        1. -1
          14 March 2020 08: 21
          Why didn’t that link please you?
          1. 0
            14 March 2020 09: 26
            it was about the money of the General Staff of Germany, and not about a sealed wagon
            1. -1
              14 March 2020 09: 31
              At the moment, I can’t provide you with the material - I don’t have it at hand yet. I can give you a link to the wiki. I know that Wikipedia is in no way a source of extremely reliable information. But in any case, at the bottom of the article there will be links to materials from which information for the article was taken - you can go through them and evaluate their reliability.
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81_%D0%BE_%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%93%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B9
  37. -1
    12 March 2020 15: 33
    Quote: Nameless
    Stabilized the economy so that crises in no way affected the average person

    Are you talking about Putin? It’s just a simple person who takes out all these crises. Something that billionaires are growing steadily, these crises do not affect them
    1. -1
      14 March 2020 03: 30
      Yes, it’s the other way round - but to you, in principle, it is, as always, empty sounds.
  38. 0
    12 March 2020 15: 35
    Quote: Nameless
    screwed tails to such oligarchs as Berezovsky, Litvinenko and Khodorkovsky

    and raised new ones such as Sechin, Miller, etc.
    1. 0
      14 March 2020 03: 30
      How to grow? He fed with his boobs and shook the rattle, fed semolina? laughing
      What are you accusing them of, prosecutor?
      1. 0
        14 March 2020 08: 21
        sat in warm places in state corporations, gave an immense salary, nationalized their losses, is this not enough?
        1. 0
          14 March 2020 09: 04
          I advise you to read their biographies - and you will understand that even if Putin gave them any leadership positions, he gave them to them for their proven qualities. The salary of an official was already immense at all times. In no way do I pay for their losses.
  39. +3
    12 March 2020 15: 36
    Quote: Nameless
    Modernized the power structures - making them more professional,

    One Rosgvard is worth it!
    1. 0
      14 March 2020 03: 16
      And why didn’t she please you?
      Tell me, how do you feel about the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR?
  40. 0
    12 March 2020 15: 38
    Quote: Nameless
    who raided the problems inherited from the USSR and Yeltsin, the man who lifted the country from its knees and put it firmly on its feet

    how many times did the ruble fall against the dollar during this time? and how many plants were destroyed?
    1. 0
      14 March 2020 03: 21
      And what fell that? The Japanese yen is generally even lower - but among the Japanese this is not a reason for tantrum.

      Yes, you pulled up with their plants. If they don’t know how to produce competitive products that people would tear off with their hands and even pay extra from above, then they need to go there. Better admit to yourself how many new plants OPENED.

      It is time for you to go to the toilet with your training manuals.
    2. -1
      14 March 2020 08: 24
      Dear, do not waste time throwing beads in front of a nameless one. He is on a salary
      1. -1
        14 March 2020 08: 58
        understood thanks. this is noticeable. if the words-training manual, toilet, new plants, are present, then this is it
        1. 0
          14 March 2020 09: 38
          And so, two wrestlers met with the regime and are now trying to imitate an unbiased conversation between two users who met by chance, one of whom, allegedly wise before by experience with me, is trying to give advice to my debater to stop this activity because I’m supposedly a kremlebot laughing
          What are you stupid, naive, simple-minded and frivolous laughing I'm just dying on you! laughing
          Well, never mind, keep working for the public!

          I see enough free time with you so as not to worry about the need for an abundance and constant time spent at the HE in order to monitor messages, articles and to conduct advocacy.
      2. 0
        14 March 2020 09: 36
        You probably say to yourself, "an honest and conscientious citizen"? laughing
  41. -1
    12 March 2020 15: 40
    Quote: Nameless
    returned Crimea, showed the West teeth

    it’s for his teeth that you pay the West 75 r for a dollar, and then there will be even more
    1. 0
      14 March 2020 03: 23
      You, sing a bird, sing. Your singing has been amusing me for 20 years. I can’t wait for everything when the Doomsday promised by you comes there. laughing (he will probably have to wait as well as the decay of the decaying West)
  42. +2
    12 March 2020 15: 58
    Quote: EvilLion
    Everything else Russia produces itself, but you still live in 1995.

    ha ha ha China produces the rest
    1. -1
      14 March 2020 03: 24
      You either think it makes no sense to prove it, but in fairness I will say that I saw a lot of goods on which the nameplate says "Made in Russia".
  43. +3
    12 March 2020 16: 34
    Well, let's evaluate the "achievements" of the current president, let's go.

    Moskvich Plant (AZLK) (genus 1930 - killed by 2002)

    Factory "Red Proletariat" (genus 1857 - killed 2010)

    Uralvagonzavod (born 1936 - killed in 2018)

    Izhevsk Motorcycle Plant (genus 1928 - killed by 2009)

    Irbit Motorcycle Plant (Ural) (genus 1941 - present in a coma after being wounded)

    Pavlovsk Tool Plant (genus 1820 - killed by 2011)

    Lipetsk Tractor Plant (genus 1943 - killed by 2009)

    Altai Tractor Plant (Rubtsovsk) (genus 1942 - killed by 2010)

    Shipyard Avangard (Petrozavodsk) (genus 1939 - killed by 2010)

    Shipyard OJSC "HC Dalzavod" (Vladivostok) (genus 1895 - killed 2009)

    Saratov Aviation Plant (genus 1931– killed by 2010)

    Omsk Transport Engineering Plant (genus 1896 - killed by 2009)

    Chelyabinsk watch factory "Lightning" (genus 1947 - killed 2009)

    Uglich watch factory "The Seagull" (genus 1938 - killed by 2009)

    The second Moscow watch factory “Glory” (genus 1924 - killed by 2006)

    Chistopol watch factory “Vostok” (genus 1941– killed by 2010)

    Moscow Machine-Tool Plant named after Sergo Ordzhonikidze (genus 1932 - killed by 2007)

    Stankomash Plant (Chelyabinsk) (genus 1935 - killed by 2009)

    Ryazan Machine Tool Plant (genus 1949 - killed by 2008)

    Kronstadt Marine Plant (genus 1858 - killed by 2005)

    Kuzbasselement Plant (genus 1942 - killed by 2008)

    Irkutsk Radio Plant (genus 1945 - killed by 2007)

    Precision casting plant “Centrolit” (Lipetsk) (genus 1963 - killed by 2009)

    Khor Biochem plant (Khabarovsk Territory) (genus 1982 - killed by 1997)

    Tomsk Instrument Plant (genus 1961 - killed by 2007)

    Sivinit Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (genus 1970 - killed by 2004)

    Krasnoyarsk TV Factory (genus 1952 - killed by 2003)

    Dynamo Plant (Moscow) (genus 1897 - killed by 2009)

    Oryol plant managing computers named. K.N. Rudneva (genus 1968 - killed 2006)

    Orenburg Hardware Plant (genus 1943 - killed by 2009)

    Khabarovsk plant "EVGO" (genus 2000 - killed 2009)

    Ulyanovsk Radio Tube Plant (genus 1959 - killed by 2003)

    Plant them. Kozitsky (St. Petersburg) (genus 1853 - present in a coma after being wounded)

    Sibelektrostal Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (genus 1952 - killed by 2008)

    Orenburg silk fabric factory "Orenburg Textile" (b. 1972 - killed 2004)

    Barysh factory them. Gladysheva (Ulyanovsk Region) (genus 1825 - killed by 2005)

    Flax Association them. I.D. Zvorykina (Kostroma) (genus 1939 - killed by 2011)

    Kamyshinsky cotton mill them. Kosygina (Volgograd Region) (genus 1955 - present in a coma after being wounded)

    Trekhgornaya manufactory (Moscow) (genus 1799 - present in a coma after being wounded)

    Far Eastern Radio Plant (Komsomolsk-on-Amur) (genus 1993 - killed by 2009)

    Bicycle plant (Yoshkar-Ola) (genus 1950 - killed 2006)

    Bicycle plant (Nizhny Novgorod) (genus 1940 - killed 2007)

    Perm Bicycle Plant (genus 1939 - killed by 2006)

    Proletarian Plant (St. Petersburg) (genus 1826 - present in a coma after being wounded)

    Baltic Plant (genus 1856 - killed by 2011)

    Sibtyazhmash Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (genus 1941 - killed by 2011)

    Khimprom Plant (Volgograd) (genus 1931 - killed by 2010)

    Irkutsk driveshaft plant (genus 1974 - killed by 2004)

    Izhmash Plant (Izhevsk) (genus 1807 - killed by 2012)

    The Ural Heavy Engineering Plant UZTM Uralmash is finishing off ...

    and about 150 thousand plants and factories destroyed by Putin and his friends.
    ps There is still, besides mechanical engineering - education, science, medicine and so on. There are “achievements” of the same scale and character. If twenty years ago Russia still had its own industry, agriculture, and products. etc., now there is none of this. Everything that was possible was destroyed and sold, but there was NOTHING! As a result, Russia in our time has become one of the most backward and poor countries in the world, which even African countries like Congo, Sierra Leone and Nigeria are now ahead of in development.
    1. -3
      14 March 2020 03: 10
      He probably personally signed orders to liquidate these plants. laughing
      There is no need to ascribe the difficult financial situation in the country, when enterprises incapable of releasing competitive products were forced to leave the market, Putin’s activities - he had nothing to do with it. You still attribute to him that the decline in the birth rate in the country was due to the fact that he personally went to maternity hospitals and personally did all the abortions.
      In Izhevsk, you can see that you are pretty lying.
      In one word, one more "usseppalschik"
      1. -1
        14 March 2020 04: 51
        You are stupid chesslovo. Following your wretched logic, since most of these plants were laid in the war - post-war time, Stalin ran around in the country and personally laid them, personally inseminated the female half of the population. And of course, during the war, people ran and bought watches, bicycles, etc.
        1. -3
          14 March 2020 04: 52
          Yes, based on your logic, it turns out that Putin took it and closed them all with his own hand. There is nothing to blame me since they themselves froze stupidity!
          1. 0
            14 March 2020 04: 55
            [quoteDo not ascribe the difficult financial situation in the country when enterprises incapable of releasing competitive products were forced to leave the market, Putin's activities - he had nothing to do with it.] [/ quote]
            Well, what we have already heard that he is "unacceptable" is an old song. And then enlighten who is to blame if not "inappropriate"
            1. -1
              14 March 2020 04: 57
              And what can one find in this situation and make a scapegoat out of him? Do you offer historically the fault of many people to attribute to a single person?
              1. 0
                14 March 2020 04: 59
                Quote: Nameless
                Do you offer historically the fault of many people to attribute to a single person?

                If this person leads the country, he is responsible for everything that happens in the country
                1. -1
                  14 March 2020 05: 01
                  I do not think so. More precisely, this is not entirely true. What then are the responsibility to the people of governors, ministers, parliamentarians, local governments? Owners of factories and enterprises in front of their employees?
                  1. -1
                    14 March 2020 05: 18
                    [
                    What then are the responsibility of the governors, ministers, parliamentarians, local governments

                    And who appoints them? Who appoints judges, and therefore stands at the head of the judiciary? Who appointed the prime minister, which means he is in charge of the executive branch? Whose party has the majority of votes, which means it is at the head of the legislative branch? Who is in charge of the army, the national guard, etc.? is not that person who is "unacceptable"
                    1. -1
                      14 March 2020 05: 21
                      AND? Do you think that if a subordinate made a mistake, then the responsibility (criminal, material, administrative) should be borne by the president and not the offender? Who does the wrong thing - the president or his subordinate?
                      1. -1
                        14 March 2020 05: 28
                        18 tons of gold and $ 100 million in cash seized from the deputy chief of the customs on energy of the Russian Federation
                        Quote: Nameless
                        In your opinion, if a subordinate made a mistake, then the responsibility (criminal, material, administrative) should be borne by the president and not the offender

                        Tell me where is the official’s mistake and how is the accounting and control of the gold reserve? This is not a mistake this is a system. Why and with whose filing the confiscation of property was canceled, Fines for corruption were introduced, why are citizens of other countries in the legislative assembly, why are they not banning property abroad? why and with whose permission the tariffs of housing and communal services and so on, so on, so on. and our GUARANTEE IS NEVER in all this!
                      2. -1
                        14 March 2020 05: 36
                        You want to tell me that Putin personally put the gold and the money in the customs pocket? The thief is the chief of customs, not the president, because he didn’t commit theft.

                        Confiscation of property has not been canceled.
                        What is wrong with fines?
                        Are people born in our country, who have lived in the territory of our country the lion's share of their lives and who have received the opportunity to obtain citizenship of another country for the sake of different goodies - now foreigners? In that case, you are waiting for a foreigner for me if you have a CIS citizen in your family!
                        The ban on property abroad is too harsh so far. It’s simpler to prohibit the acquisition of new real estate.
                        Regarding tariffs, the government simply set a limit on them for utilities. It’s not a fact that they will grow up.
                      3. -1
                        14 March 2020 05: 41
                        whether people born in our country, living in the territory of our country, the lion's share of their lives and having the opportunity to obtain citizenship of another country for the sake of different goodies - now foreigners

                        I absolutely and completely renounce loyalty and devotion to any foreign monarch, ruler, state or sovereign authority, a citizen or citizen of which I was until this day, I will faithfully serve the United States - This is an extract from the oath of a US citizen.
                        That’s why
                      4. -2
                        14 March 2020 05: 44
                        Well, in this case, you will completely compare their legislation with ours, and then you will understand that these laws are completely different. And also understand such a simple childhood truth that each state has its own laws.
                  2. -2
                    14 March 2020 05: 23
                    Alexey Mitrofanov
                    Head of the State Duma Committee on Information Policy. In 2013, he was suspected of an unprecedented scale of fraud and bribes, after which he immediately left for Croatia. Since then, no one has seen him.
                    Igor Chuyan
                    Former head of Rosalkoregulirovanie. went to Israel
                    Elena Skrynnik
                    Former Minister of Agriculture. Once, in 2013, the prosecutor's office ... Switzerland had questions for Elena about just $ 140 million of dubious origin in her Swiss accounts, but the case was closed. Please note that the Russian prosecutor’s office was not interested in this nuance. After the resignation, Elena left for France, where she happily lives to this day.
                    Alexey Bazhanov
                    Deputy Minister of Agriculture. Incidentally, he is accused of embezzlement of more than 1 billion rubles, so he, of course, promptly rushed off to London.
                    They can be listed endlessly:

                    Minister of Transport of the Moscow Region left with her son in the USA,
                    MP Pikhtin also left for the United States with his son,
                    the children of the head of Russian Railways live in England and Switzerland,
                    Alexander Zmikhnovsky - the former head of Oboronenergosbyt left for Turkey,
                    Sergei Pugachev, who is known as the “Kremlin banker” and was an active supporter of Putin, left for London.
                    1. -1
                      14 March 2020 05: 26
                      Well, what did you bring them to here? You have forgotten the holy trinity - Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky and Litvinenko. Such were and always will be in the entire plane of time - from the dawn of humanity to its decline. Those who climb into politics for the sake of money - and who outwardly are no different from those who really work. It seems to you that at first glance you can see such personalities among the real "hard workers". In fact, they do not stand out from the rest of the officials exactly until they prove themselves.
                      1. -2
                        14 March 2020 05: 31
                        the prosecutor’s office ... Switzerland had questions for Elena about just $ 140 million of dubious origin in her Swiss accounts, but the case was closed. Please note that the Russian prosecutor’s office was not interested in this nuance.

                        For you specially allocated. Do you pretend or really think the president, who heads the THREE branches of power, is deaf-deaf?
                      2. -1
                        14 March 2020 05: 38
                        If she made dubious machinations there with their economy and harmed the Swiss, then what do we care?
                      3. -1
                        14 March 2020 05: 36
                        At least one was extradited and imprisoned? Are you sitting there? YEAR on Shies, the people resisted the son of the seagull and ...... ??? the local prosecutor's office RECOGNIZED the illegality of the construction! where was that guarantor? Residents of Kiselevsk because of the emergency wrote everywhere and to the guarantor including ????? The Prime Minister of Canada answered them the next day !!!! And the guarantor put on them !!! After that, all the residents were accused of almost treason !!! Now a man-made disaster is brewing in Togliatti! EVERYONE knows about this except the "inappropriate"
                      4. -1
                        14 March 2020 05: 39
                        Like in a joke. Not Shies, but Shies Station, not in the reserve, but at the station a few hundred kilometers from it. Less hysteria, liberoid!
                      5. -1
                        14 March 2020 05: 44
                        Further dialogue with a person whose degenerative changes in the psyche I think is stupid. Work with Mr. Glory on
                      6. 0
                        14 March 2020 05: 48
                        Are you talking to a mirror? Well, I won’t bother you. Ciao!
                      7. 0
                        14 March 2020 05: 41
                        In a number of cases, they give out, but often refuse to extradite "political refugees" and "victims of the regime" - they pour such a plaintive song about life in their homeland, they are just like a nightingale!
                    2. 0
                      14 March 2020 05: 40
                      Phew, yes, I look at a collector .... but that’s so ... well, there are some stamps, coins collected ... but so that corrupt officials ... Monsieur clearly knows a lot about perversions!
      2. -2
        14 March 2020 05: 06
        Quote: Nameless
        There is no need to ascribe the difficult financial situation in the country, when enterprises incapable of releasing competitive products were forced to leave the market, Putin’s activities - he had nothing to do with it.

        Karl Sigurson, “Jewess with rude humor” Elsa Yoman, heavy metal bassist Ottar Proppe, former Bjork band partner Einar Orn, Eva Einarsdottir, Pall Hyaltson, mayor Jon Gnarr, Heida Christine and “Prince of Darkness” Bljd Björn the most unique political experiment in history has begun.
        Everyone was interested in the question of how politicians will rule ... How are punks? How are anarchists? In the midst of a crisis? On September 24, 2008, Lehman Brothers went bankrupt in New York, and Iceland itself a week later. She suffered from the crisis more than all other European countries. During the night, the three largest banks went bankrupt, leaving debts of ten of the country's GDP, the stock exchange collapsed by 90%. Prime Minister Geir Horde said on television: “Lord, protect Iceland!”
        The result of the four-year reign of the anarchists is very unexpected: the punks managed to completely restructure their finances. Add to this some very successful speeches, tens of kilometers of new bike paths, reorganization of schools (which no one else complains about), small art support programs and a relaxed, flourishing city where tourism is growing at 20% per year
        Although the most radical thing we could do was do a good job. We carried out reforms, all without money, says Björn Blendal, Prince of Darkness. After that, John Gnarr announced his departure. And the dissolution of the Best Party. He explained it this way: "I'm a comedian, not a politician." And: “For four years I was a taxi driver, and a very good taxi driver, but I also finished this”

        Here is an example for you if a person and his associates do not think about themselves, but think about their people and their country. They are WHY !!!!
        1. 0
          14 March 2020 05: 12
          AND? What about the fact that punks became politicians there? And we have a president - a former special officer and judoka soldier
          Yes, we have on the whole side of these sports complexes and other things configured that Iceland did not dream!
          PS - you are probably also a fan of Ilona Mask.
          1. -1
            14 March 2020 05: 38
            Quote: Nameless
            You are probably also a fan of Ilona Mask

            No, of course, I'm a fan of Rusnano and Chubais
            1. 0
              14 March 2020 05: 46
              Do you have something against a breakthrough in science and graphene nanotubes?
  44. 0
    13 March 2020 10: 23
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: matRoss
    It is impossible to improve the socioeconomic situation of this people by popular revolutionary methods. Only worsen.

    These very methods will only lead the country to further bloody disintegration and zeroing out the numerical composition of these territories. But some, unfortunately, do not understand this, others understand too well. However, to each, his own. hi

  45. -1
    14 March 2020 08: 24
    Quote: Nameless
    And why didn’t she please you?
    Tell me, how do you feel about the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR?

    it costs me dearly, for the money, it is kept for my money, so that in case of something I can get it on the head. I do not belong to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR; I served in the SA
    1. 0
      14 March 2020 21: 52
      Enough of lying about taxes - so that such a Russophobe, disguised as neo-Stalinism, mixed with liberalisms, honestly paid taxes to the country that he hated - I won’t believe it. Yeah, contains the guard from his pocket. You need to move to China - there you can easily open a restaurant for cooking noodles on your ears.
      1. -1
        16 March 2020 02: 27
        Quote: Nameless
        Yeah, contains the guard from his pocket. You need to move to China - there you can easily open a restaurant for cooking noodles on your ears.

        Do you think the Russian Guard is fully self-sufficient? Well, pour on.
        1. -1
          16 March 2020 06: 25
          As far as I know, it is financed from the budget. And sources of replenishment of the budget are more than one taxation of the population. So I don’t need to try here to tell you that in addition to payments for gas, electricity and water, payments come to your mailbox to finance the FSVNG.
  46. -1
    14 March 2020 08: 32
    Quote: Nameless
    Better admit to yourself how many new plants OPENED.

    people like you probably don’t know that these factories - closed and destroyed - provided real work and wages to the population (according to the current electorate) of hundreds of thousands of people. and the current factories for the production of all nonsense, 10-20 jobs. and what do they decide nationwide?
    1. -1
      14 March 2020 08: 44
      As an example: with optimization, we cannot build a ship of the 1st rank. laughing And so the factories darkness laughing
      1. +1
        14 March 2020 21: 56
        To lie - not toss bags.
    2. +1
      14 March 2020 21: 54
      And how did you determine that these are factories for 10-20 jobs about the production of nonsense? Are you a telepath? Or alternatively mentally gifted?
      One might think that in the modern world, enterprises and firms do not provide citizens with salaries and jobs.
  47. -1
    14 March 2020 08: 43
    Quote: Nameless
    And what fell that? The Japanese yen is generally even lower - but among the Japanese this is not a reason for tantrum.

    the Japanese have a highly developed industry, and they can buy everything for themselves on the yen. and our industry is destroyed, everyone is brought from abroad, buying there for dollars. If the dollar grew from 12 rubles in the 90s to 75000 rubles now, that's about how many times we have become impoverished. a little less, of course, they also have inflation there, prices are rising, but not like ours, with a rapid jack. and about the toilet and training manuals. I have enough money for toilet paper, I manage somehow without manuals
    1. +1
      14 March 2020 21: 58
      Oh well, it's just a post-apocalyptic. You tell me so about the destroyed factories as if I live in a cave and have never seen white light. I have no doubt about the availability of money - your services here are clearly well paid. But you do not need to use paper - but your language. For a liar needs language only for this.
  48. -1
    14 March 2020 08: 49
    Quote: Nameless
    You, sing a bird, sing. Your singing has been amusing me for 20 years. I can’t wait all, when the doomsday promised by you will come there

    you and I didn’t drink at brotherhood, and I hope we won’t drink. Because you can refer to "you", but I didn’t promise the day of judgment to anyone, and I’m not in my power to arrange it, at least for everyone. but do not worry about this, it will suit you, it has already started
    1. +1
      14 March 2020 09: 16
      This is the internet, baby. The usual rules of communication do not work here. I don’t drink at all - and I’m incredibly glad that I don’t have to listen to your pearls on a drunken bench.
      But in any case, bay like spaceships plowing the expanses of the universe ...
  49. -2
    14 March 2020 09: 03
    Quote: Nameless
    You either think it makes no sense to prove it, but in fairness I will say that I saw a lot of goods on which the nameplate says "Made in Russia".

    can openers? I also saw, and many more food-like food, what else? ... I will not mention
    1. 0
      14 March 2020 09: 14
      Food, clothes, shoes, household goods, sports equipment, cars - a lot of things actually.
  50. 0
    14 March 2020 09: 07
    Quote: Nameless
    He probably personally signed orders to liquidate these plants

    with his hard work, he created the conditions for the closure of these plants
    1. 0
      14 March 2020 22: 00
      Conditions were created in the 90s by Yeltsin. You in no way succeed in attributing other people's actions to Putin. As well as insinuate him.
  51. -2
    14 March 2020 09: 18
    Quote: Nameless
    In your opinion, it turns out that a superpower would lay pipes without anyone’s permission, by force, without asking if they are needed by the country that they are laying them with?

    That’s exactly what she would have done, and the local Papuans would have invested in this pipe to the fullest. and SP2 in neutral waters will never be completed
    1. 0
      14 March 2020 22: 00
      In your wet dreams, this may be the case - in reality, such a scumbag would be beaten en masse.
  52. -1
    14 March 2020 09: 20
    Quote: Nameless
    3). A lot of things we have recently forgiven for Ukrainians and Belarusians in terms of debts for oil and gas? Over the past 5 years, have we simply written off many debts to whom?

    Africa alone has billions of dollars, not counting all the little brothers. it is not enough?
    1. 0
      14 March 2020 22: 09
      And how interesting it would be for us to receive these debts from those who are only able to pay off with skins and bark from trees - i.e. what if the debts are irrecoverable? At what rate of the Soviet ruble should they be calculated? Doesn't your skull hurt?
  53. -1
    14 March 2020 09: 22
    Quote: Nameless
    I don't see the point in getting into a discussion with a talking head,

    there are simply no arguments. and when there are no arguments, you need to get personal, as Zhvanetsky said
    1. 0
      14 March 2020 22: 10
      I have already given you my arguments a long time ago. I’m not going to repeat myself - I’m not a masochist to talk to a ventriloquist who feeds me copy-paste from his manual.
  54. -1
    14 March 2020 09: 30
    Quote: Nameless
    I do not think so. More precisely, this is not entirely true. What then are the responsibility to the people of governors, ministers, parliamentarians, local governments? Owners of factories and enterprises in front of their employees?

    No one, like their leader the president, bears any responsibility before the people
    1. 0
      14 March 2020 22: 11
      Yes, yours is fundamentally bad. And the next one after him will also be bad, except if it is your generous philanthropist laughing
  55. 0
    14 March 2020 09: 36
    Quote: Nameless
    Do you have something against a breakthrough in science and graphene nanotubes?

    about the miraculous properties of nanotubes, in more detail, please, and about the breakthrough too
    1. 0
      14 March 2020 22: 16
      In short, objects made from them are much lighter and stronger than those made from conventional materials, and also have new properties. In more detail - I’m not a scientific almanac. I don’t intend to throw beads in front of you. But I'll ruin the mood laughing
      1. -1
        15 March 2020 07: 44
        Quote: Nameless
        In short, objects made from them are much lighter and stronger than those made from conventional materials, and also have new properties. Popo

        and what objects are made from them? and what new properties do they have? don’t worry about my mood, people like you can’t do anything to me for a long time
        1. 0
          15 March 2020 12: 57
          Here's for your edification:
          * * *
          Carbon nanotubes have a wide range of applications. This is due to the fact that they have a molecular structure in the form of a framework, thereby allowing them to have properties that differ from diamond or graphite. It is precisely because of their distinctive features (strength, conductivity, bending) that carbon nanotubes are used more often than other materials.

          This carbon invention is used in electronics, optics, mechanical engineering, etc. Carbon nanotubes are used as additives to various polymers and composites to enhance the strength of molecular compounds. After all, everyone knows that the molecular lattice of carbon compounds has incredible strength, especially in its pure form.

          Carbon nanotubes are also used in the production of capacitors and various kinds of sensors, anodes, which are necessary for the manufacture of batteries, as an absorber of electromagnetic waves. This carbon compound is widely used in the manufacture of telecommunication networks and liquid crystal displays. Nanotubes are also used as an amplifier of catalytic properties in the production of lighting devices.

          Commercial Application
          ======================
          Market->Application=Properties of compositions based on carbon nanotubes:
          1).Automobiles->Fuel system parts and fuel lines (connectors, pump parts, O-rings, tubes), exterior body parts for electropainting (bumpers, mirror housings, fuel tank caps)->Improved balance of properties compared to carbon black, ability recyclable for large parts, resistance to deformation;
          2).Electronics->Processing tools and equipment, wafer cassettes, conveyor belts, interconnect blocks, clean room equipment->Increased purity of mixtures compared to carbon fibers, control of surface resistivity, processability for casting thin parts, resistance to deformation, balanced properties, alternative capabilities of plastic mixtures compared to carbon fibers

          Carbon nanotubes are not limited to certain applications in various industries. The material was invented relatively recently, and, therefore, is currently widely used in scientific developments and research in many countries around the world. This is necessary for a more detailed study of the properties and characteristics of carbon nanotubes, as well as for establishing large-scale production of the material, since it currently occupies a rather weak position in the market.

          Due to their good conductive properties, the use of carbon nanotubes in mechanical engineering covers a wide range. This material is used as cooling devices for massively sized units. This is primarily due to the fact that carbon nanotubes have a high specific thermal conductivity.

          The use of nanotubes in the development of computer technologies plays an important role in the electronics industry. Thanks to the use of this material, production of fairly flat displays has been established. This contributes to the production of computer equipment of compact sizes, but at the same time the technical characteristics of electronic computers are not lost, but even increased. The use of carbon nanotubes in the development of computer technologies and the electronics industry will make it possible to achieve the production of equipment that will be many times superior in technical characteristics to current analogues. Based on these studies, high-voltage picture tubes are already being created.
  56. -1
    15 March 2020 07: 47
    Quote: Nameless
    . And the next one after him will also be bad

    I would like to live to see this bad
  57. -2
    15 March 2020 07: 52
    Quote: Nameless
    who feeds me copy-paste from his manual

    This is the only argument I saw. and a little about the manual, so that you know, this word is a marker of a bully, if you want to remain incognito, do not use it, especially since it does not work on me
    1. 0
      15 March 2020 13: 05
      Yes, for the most part, it doesn’t matter to me whether my words affect you or not. I smiled that you yourself arbitrarily determine what is an argument - and what is not. Your selectivity is at the proper level lol

      I am also absolutely ambivalent about how my opponents perceive me - they will receive accordingly for their verbal antics. And for this I will use the words that I consider correct in this case. The fact that they will call me an idiot or a Kremlinbot does not scare me at all: I love my country as it is, with all its advantages and disadvantages, and if I get hit while defending it, it will not discourage me.
  58. -1
    15 March 2020 07: 56
    Quote: Nameless
    able to pay only with skins and bark from trees - i.e. what if the debts are irrecoverable?

    and skins and tree bark have their price, land and power in the country, even in Africa, too. And irrevocable ones, we paid the royal debts to the French
    1. 0
      15 March 2020 13: 12
      Bad debts are those that can no longer be collected due to the extremely difficult financial condition of the debtor. There is one of three things: either wait 30-40 years until the debtor country gets back on its feet financially, or take away the last pennies and completely ruin the relationship, or forgive the debts of a country that was (and some are still) on the same side of the barricade with us.
  59. -2
    15 March 2020 08: 05
    Quote: Nameless
    in reality, such a scumbag would have been beaten en masse.

    This crowd, under the leadership of a superpower, is not allowing the pipe to be built. The pipeline won’t stretch across the ocean, it’s too far, so Trump gave the command to his Papuans to knock down SP2, and they all rushed to knock it down, mostly at their own expense. And Trump sends gas carriers and don’t worry, they’ll buy it anyway, and whoever doesn’t buy, we’ll turn off the gas, i.e. - some kind of flow. because he is a superpower, he does not need to think about any interests other than his own
    1. 0
      15 March 2020 13: 15
      Yes, whether our country is a superpower or not, the result is still the same. Since it is not profitable for the owner of the NATO bloc, to whose countries we supply hydrocarbons, he will incite his satellites to sabotage construction and transactions. Even if our country were a hyper-megapower, they would still interfere with construction.
  60. -2
    15 March 2020 08: 10
    Quote: Nameless
    clothing, shoes, household goods

    I wrote about food, clothing, etc., at the level of artisans with the appropriate quality and quantity, auto-screwdriver assembly, full-cycle factories, except for Kamaz, there are no left, and it is still unknown whose it is. the rest is China
    1. +1
      15 March 2020 13: 16
      After dressing at the artisan level, I didn’t read further negative
  61. -1
    15 March 2020 08: 13
    Quote: Nameless
    The conditions were created in the 90s by Yeltsin. There is no way you can attribute other people's actions to Putin

    I’m reluctant to look for dates and compare, but I’m sure that from 2000 to 2020 more was destroyed than from 91 to 2000
    1. 0
      15 March 2020 13: 32
      When it seems - they are baptized. laughing
      You don’t have to search or compare. If you are a foreigner, an emigrant or a homebody, then you cannot know anything. In this case, you are able to judge the reality around you only by the information slag that the yellow media pours into your head. Therefore, you unfoundedly and categorically declare your conviction and “confidence” as the broad truth in the ultimate instance. You don't have confidence - you have self-confidence.
  62. -1
    16 March 2020 02: 15
    Quote: Nameless
    I have been constantly hearing this crap about how “everything is lost” ever since Putin first became president.

    Not everything was lost, but a lot was lost, the main thing was lost time and a lot of opportunities. And the saddest thing is that 20 years in power have shown that there are no prospects for improvement.
    1. -1
      16 March 2020 22: 47
      As I say, a typical “fighter against the regime.”
  63. -2
    16 March 2020 02: 34
    Quote: Nameless
    Conditions were created in the 90s by Yeltsin. You in no way succeed in attributing other people's actions to Putin. As well as insinuate him.

    You know, Yeltsin has been in the grave for a long time, and Putin has been in power for 20 years, planning to overtake Stalin through “galley slavery.”
    It’s just that the same Khrushchev, whom you blamed here, left behind “Khrushchevka” housing, which is not so great, but 30-40% of the population of Russia still live in it, and he was in power for only 10 years. What will Putin leave behind?
    1. -1
      16 March 2020 22: 53
      Well, let's start with the fact that you shouldn't attribute to me something that I didn't say - i.e. because I was criticizing Khrushchev here. You're clearly making out in the eyes.
      Secondly, in terms of housing, after Putin there will be many new buildings in cities that, in terms of quality of life, will outshine your Khrushchev-era buildings.
      And finally, thirdly: how can you not love Putin because he does not allow you to seize power, put “your man” in his place and arrange another dashing 90s under the sweet slogans of establishing order and justice...
  64. -1
    16 March 2020 07: 20
    Quote: Nameless
    Even if our country were a hyper-megapower, they would still interfere with construction.

    no one interferes with hyper-megapowers, example-USA now, USSR-yesterday
    1. 0
      16 March 2020 21: 38
      That’s why we are not interfering with the US in Syria on a number of other issues.
      The USSR also loved to ruin life.
  65. -1
    16 March 2020 07: 24
    Quote: Nameless
    After dressing at the artisan level, I didn’t read further

    But in essence, is there anything to object to? Apart from overalls and camouflage, I have not seen other clothing “made here”, in such quantity, at least
    1. 0
      16 March 2020 21: 39
      Women's boots, men's boots, shoes, sneakers, sneakers, boots, felt boots, children's shoes - the entire range of shoes (well, except perhaps for exotic ones).
  66. -1
    16 March 2020 07: 36
    Quote: Nameless
    you are able to judge the reality around you only by the information slag that the yellow media pours into your head. Therefore, you unfoundedly and categorically declare your conviction and “confidence” as the broad truth in the last resort

    It’s precisely for you that these same media are the source of truth, because it’s probably difficult for you to come to any conclusion yourself, regardless of the reality around you. And I’ve lived and traveled around the country quite a lot to draw my conclusions, which are surprisingly accurate correlate with reality. I would advise you - don’t watch Channel 1 before lunch, but don’t watch it after lunch either, maybe this will help you perceive reality correctly. or will it make a dollar at 75 rubles faster?
    1. -1
      16 March 2020 21: 55
      I'm not going to argue with you like a small child in the style of "you're stupid - no, you're stupid." I have already seen similar attempts a thousand times to turn everything upside down, making me an enemy of the people - and making myself their benefactor and protector. Such antics make me neither warm nor cold. People will judge for themselves who is who - fortunately they have a head on their shoulders.
    2. 0
      16 March 2020 22: 22
      He’s lived a lot, traveled around the country - is this kind of an attempt to create an unquestionable authority for oneself, similar to how in newspapers, when advertising another miracle drug, an article about it inserts a photo of an authoritative “doctor” in a confidential pose in order to be convincing and create the proper impression? laughing

      I won’t tell you anything about myself - I won’t be like you. If you throw "show off" - continue to disgrace your health. I don't fall for them.
  67. -1
    16 March 2020 07: 44
    Quote: Nameless
    I am also absolutely ambivalent about how my opponents perceive me - they will receive accordingly for their verbal antics

    Ambivalence (from Lat. ambo - “both” and Lat. valentia - “strength”) - duality (splitting) of an attitude towards something, in particular - duality of experience, expressed in the fact that the same object evokes in a person at the same time two opposite feelings.
    You used a word unfamiliar to you in a slightly wrong context, a brave armchair warrior who endures cruel blows while defending his homeland, success to you in this field. but still, read more, then there will be fewer unfamiliar words
    1. -1
      16 March 2020 22: 42
      I am greatly amused by your struggle for my soul and mind, as well as your futile attempts to have the last word. laughing
      Although lately I’ve been catching myself thinking that I’ve already started to get tired of you, and that instead of communicating with such a copy-paste from a training manual like you, I’d rather communicate with Alice from Yandex - she’s much funnier than you. And she has much more imagination laughing

      PS: it’s true what they say is that when the arguments run out, nitpicking about words and spelling errors begins. How low you have fallen! They've just become bruised! Don't lose your human face! laughing
  68. -1
    17 March 2020 00: 50
    Quote: Nameless
    As far as I know, it is financed from the budget. And there are more than one source of budget replenishment: taxation of the population

    The budget is formed from taxes and fines; what is not taken from the population directly is taken from the population through taxation of employers, that is, again the population does not receive this money since it went to the state. The state does not make revenue from their air.
    Troll, you don’t even understand such basic things, but you try to talk about lofty matters.
    1. 0
      17 March 2020 22: 54
      What about the mineral extraction tax? Export/import customs duties? Excise taxes? Stock dividends? Oil and gas income? Did you keep silent about what was inconvenient for yourself, once again pretending to be an intellectual and a fighter for the happiness of the people? What a dishonest you are! And they tried to throw a shadow on me! "To talk about lofty matters" laughing
  69. -1
    17 March 2020 00: 51
    Quote: Nameless
    As I say, a typical “fighter against the regime.”
    Reply

    And who are you? Defender? She sang along with an ordinary guy.
    1. 0
      17 March 2020 22: 57
      Didn’t you participate in VIA “Carte Blanche”? Weren't you the one who sang the song "Plyusha":
      "You call me plush
      Probably because you love
      And I really hope so
      That you won't call anyone that again
      And I say thank you for that
      And I may be plush, but I’m so happy

      Call me bunny, call me kitten
      Call me little lion, call me little elephant
      Call me whatever you want, just be by my side
      And I will make you the happiest as a reward

      Plush, I'm plush o-o-o-oa, o-o-o-oa
      Plush, I'm plush o-o-o-oa, o-o-o-oa"
      laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
  70. 0
    17 March 2020 00: 55
    Quote: Nameless
    In terms of housing, after Putin there will be many new buildings in cities that, in terms of their quality of life, will outshine your Khrushchev-era buildings.

    Moscow is not all of Russia; based on the quality of new buildings, you would be better off keeping quiet. I don’t hate Putin, I just look at his actions realistically. But for you, “even if you piss in your eyes, it’s all God’s dew.”
    1. 0
      17 March 2020 22: 58
      There are a lot of you with a stone in your bosom, trying with all your might to throw sand in your eyes, ride on your ears and convince you how white and fluffy you are. laughing
      New buildings are not only in Moscow.
  71. 0
    17 March 2020 10: 25
    Quote: Nameless
    I am greatly amused by your struggle for my soul and mind

    I am not at all interested in your soul (if it exists) and your mind (traces of which are faintly visible), you are too small a spot to be seriously studied, about the same as a fly. I was just wondering, do such patriotic people live in Russia, or where? How do they work, what is their level of income, what does he have, what does he not have. I already understood most of it, the rest is uninteresting. so calm down, I won’t write to you anymore to distract you from your prayers “for health.” keep watching channel 1, yes, I saw it somewhere - icons with puten are sold - hang it above the TV, it helps to absorb information. Good luck!
    1. 0
      17 March 2020 23: 01
      You have too much mental effort to cope with my pathetic (bacterial level) intellect. How would you not have anything come out of one place from the strain and you would not be embarrassed! laughing
  72. -1
    17 March 2020 10: 31
    Quote: Nameless
    Although lately I’ve been catching myself thinking that I’ve already started to get tired of you, and that instead of communicating with such a copy-paste from a training manual like you, I’d rather communicate with Alice from Yandex - she’s much funnier than you. And she has much more imagination

    Damn, I broke my promise not to write, but this is definitely the last epistle. “such a copy-paste from a manual” - your intellect does not know other words, it does not even know the meaning of the words that you know. therefore, in fact, communicate better with Alice - you are on the same level with her
    1. 0
      17 March 2020 23: 03
      I think someone's butt is on fire here! laughing
  73. -1
    17 March 2020 10: 56
    Quote: Nameless
    This is necessary for a more detailed study of the properties and characteristics of carbon nanotubes, as well as for establishing large-scale production of the material, since it currently [b]occupies a rather weak position in the market[/b.

    everything except these are the words of Chubais
    1. 0
      17 March 2020 23: 04
      I am more than sure that the author of that article for such words and encroachments on his bread would have called you an illegitimate person and given you a resounding slap in the face.
  74. -2
    17 March 2020 20: 42
    Quote: Nameless
    Because of its planned economy, when, for example, a man in the State Planning Committee could somehow know how many candies children in a city in a city would eat in a year and how many of them needed to be produced by that moment - which is why there was periodic famine and commodity shortages in the country
    It held on only through lies, terror, force and repression: as soon as they stopped doing this, the Soviet Union began to come apart at the seams.

    Well, in general, for you, victim of the Unified State Examination, I’ll explain, it wasn’t difficult to calculate how many candies the Nsky city needed even on wooden abacus of the early 20th century, it’s enough to add up requests for deliveries to the city’s stores, which is what they did in the USSR, since supplies were centralized, this is not was difficult. If you think that American corporations release products without planning anything several years in advance, then you are completely uneducated.
    How old are you, sick? Did you live in the USSR, or do you draw your knowledge from the liberal manual? What kind of periodic famine is there in the USSR, what kind of commodity shortage? What period are you talking about? Or are you just blurting out a quote from the manual?
    What did they lie to you about in the USSR? Let's be specific. Who terrorized and repressed you in the USSR? This is not the first time you have written about this in the same words, copy-paste from the manual?
  75. -2
    17 March 2020 20: 46
    Quote: Nameless
    Well, in this case, you will completely compare their legislation with ours, and then you will understand that these laws are completely different. And also understand such a simple childhood truth that each state has its own laws.

    So what? a person takes an oath of allegiance and renounces his homeland. And he does it consciously and soberly... Well, who is he after that? And what does the legislation of the country to which he swears allegiance have to do with it?
  76. -2
    17 March 2020 20: 48
    Quote: Nameless
    Oh-oh-oh-oh, what brutal men we are! Well, what about a cowboy: will you harness the horses and drive or will you stand and sweat?

    Along the way, you are the one standing and sweating. Zero arguments, just unsubstantiated statements
    1. 0
      17 March 2020 22: 29
      Arguments from the kindergarten arsenal were used - “whoever calls you names like that is called you that way” laughing The leak has been read! Free! laughing
  77. -2
    17 March 2020 21: 01
    Quote: Nameless
    But they won rather by a miracle. Stalin, when the Germans were approaching Moscow, babbled at the meeting: “Lenin left us a great legacy. We, his heirs, FUCKED it all up!” If you don’t believe that the great father of nations could say such a thing in a panic, read the memoirs of one of his close associates, Mikoyan.

    Well, yes, the Entente invaders were defeated by a miracle, the Patriotic War was won by a miracle, they became a new Power by a miracle, aren’t there many miracles in the 70 years of collapse? And why haven’t miracles happened over the last 30 years when your favorites have been in power?
    And that Mikoyan is a saint among us, and he always spoke the truth and only the truth, especially in his memoirs, where everyone shows himself as a fighter against everything bad for everything good.
    1. -1
      17 March 2020 22: 27
      For you, the Reds, they are interventionists (because they came after YOUR soul), for Russia, they are allies in WWI. ON our territory, they then defended warehouses with military equipment they had previously transferred to us - so that it would not fall into your hands and be transferred to the Germans. Yes, they helped drive you terrorists away with pissing rags. And then you didn’t defeat them - they left on their own when they realized that there was no one to help.
      A superpower thanks to the work of the people, not the communists.
      There are miracles - we have finally recovered from the consequences of your rule. And much more.
      Yes, anyone who says anything bad about someone with a mustache is an enemy of the people. How could he be alone among enemies who wished him harm? laughing ? Or maybe it’s just that when a person has all his enemies, then he is simply mentally abnormal?
  78. -1
    17 March 2020 21: 17
    Quote: Nameless
    So, what was asked for in the ballot was what they voted for: not for the state of the USSR, but for the Union of Independent States-Republics. You naively thought that the “updated” one was like the old USSR but with innovations, but you voted for the project of the “Union of Sovereign States” from 1988 (initially the Union of Soviet Sovereign Republics, later the Commonwealth of Independent States) Something else here to prove yours you are trying to use a referendum. This is your “update” for which you voted then

    Did you vote yourself or just heard it out of the corner of your ear? Union of Independent States-Republics. (This is the CIS, the brainchild of Yeltsin) There was no such concept at the referendum. The question was specifically the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, do you have a manual that doesn’t even show how the USSR was deciphered? Ask some competent propagandist to join the branch, and you will smell like schoolboy a mile away.
    1. -1
      17 March 2020 22: 06
      In the Kazakh SSR: “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the USSR as Union of equal sovereign states?"
      In the Ukrainian SSR: "Do you agree that Ukraine should be part of Union of Soviet Sovereign States based on the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine?"
      In the Armenian SSR: "Do you agree that the Republic of Armenia should be an independent democratic state outside the USSR?"
      Georgian SSR: referendum on “restoration of state independence of Georgia on the basis of the Act of Independence of May 26, 1918”
      Latvian SSR, Moldavian SSR - boycott of the referendum
      Lithuanian SSR - referendum on independence from the USSR
      And then - at least don’t be too lazy to read at least Wikipedia. Here's an excerpt of what you voted for:
      "In accordance with the results of the referendum, a working group authorized by the central and republican authorities, within the framework of the so-called Novo-Ogarevo process, in the spring-summer of 1991, developed a project to conclude a federation agreement “On the Union of Sovereign Republics,” the signing of which was scheduled for August 20.

      But on August 18-21, the State Committee for the State of Emergency made an unsuccessful attempt to forcibly remove M. S. Gorbachev from the post of President of the USSR, disrupting the signing of the Union Treaty:

      “...Taking advantage of the freedoms granted, trampling on the newly emerging sprouts of democracy, extremist forces arose that set a course for the liquidation of the Soviet Union, the collapse of the state and the seizure of power at any cost. The results of the national referendum on the unity of the Fatherland have been trampled.”
      — From the “Address to the Soviet people” of the State Emergency Committee of the USSR dated August 18, 1991

      In the fall of 1991, the working group of the Novo-Ogarevo process prepared a new draft of the Union Treaty on the creation of the “Union of Sovereign States” as a confederation of independent states. Its preliminary signing was supposed to take place on December 9.

      However, on December 8, 1991, the presidents of Belarus, the RSFSR and Ukraine, “noting that negotiations on the preparation of a new Union Treaty had reached a dead end, the objective process of the republics secession from the USSR and the formation of independent states had become a real fact,” concluded the Belovezhskaya Agreement on the creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States State - an intergovernmental organization that does not have the status of a state.

      On December 21, 1991, as a result of the Alma-Ata agreements, the remaining union republics joined the CIS.

      On December 26, 1991, the session of the Council of Republics - the upper house of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, formed on September 5 - from which at that time only representatives of the Central Asian republics were not recalled, adopted Declaration No. 142-N on the cessation of the existence of the USSR."
      This is to your preservation of the “Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics.” Here's an update in the form of the SSG\CIS - they themselves voted for it. And what you thought then were your then naive ideas about a wonderful future.

      “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed? - as they say, “the devil is in the details” laughing
  79. -1
    17 March 2020 22: 53
    Quote: Nameless
    3). It's bad when you generalize everything. For you, friendship probably doesn’t exist between people either - there’s money everywhere!

    There is friendship and love between people if money is not involved. There is no friendship between states by definition, since relations are determined by rulers. Is not it?
    Quote: Nameless
    3)4). Well, I think that you are at least a little smarter than those who calculated the projects for the construction of these gas pipelines and power plants abroad.

    Calculating a gas pipeline project and making a political decision on laying a gas pipeline are completely different things, it’s a pity that you don’t understand this.
    Quote: Nameless
    5). How you call yourself doesn't matter at all here. You can be either Borey Moiseev or an Ethiopian by nationality. You can say that you are a French queen - it doesn’t matter to me how you present yourself. I have already made a conclusion about you..

    If it doesn't matter who you are, then why "incognito"? A coward in life? Or are you ashamed of your trolling in front of your friends?
    Quote: Nameless
    PS - and oddly enough, yes, given the current state of the economy, our country is capable of earning such amounts in a week.

    In fact, he doesn’t earn money, and therefore your words are empty chatter in favor of the poor.
  80. -1
    18 March 2020 00: 44
    Quote: Nameless
    What about the mineral extraction tax? Export/import customs duties? Excise taxes? Stock dividends? Oil and gas income? Did you keep silent about what was inconvenient for yourself, once again pretending to be an intellectual and a fighter for the happiness of the people? What a dishonest you are! And they tried to throw a shadow on me! "To talk about lofty matters"

    And who should the mineral resources belong to, shouldn’t it be the people? So the mineral extraction tax is a tax on the extraction of people's property. So, as always, you are past the checkout.
    Import/export duties, excise taxes, and what is all this charged on if not on what is extracted and produced by the people? Past the cash register again.
    Dividends on shares are the result of the labor of the enterprise’s employees and the profit earned (money not paid to them). Past again.
    Oil and gas revenues are mineral resources, and therefore mineral extraction tax. You get oil.
    I didn’t keep silent about the inconvenient thing, I just didn’t think that you were so uneducated that you couldn’t tell white from black, and that you were a complete ignoramus in the economics of the state. You have once again exposed yourself as a dropout with ambitions.
    1. +1
      21 March 2020 09: 30
      You deliberately kept silent about other items of replenishment of the state budget - reducing everything to the fact that the financing of the federal guard is carried out from your pocket as another type of payment on a receipt. Now you are also trying to pretend that other replenishment items are absurd and that they can not be taken into account. You are a demagogue!
      The subsoil belonged and belongs the state. Now, as a representative of the people living on its territory, no one and nothing is stopping you from developing subsoil resources: study, create your own company, hire workers, conclude contracts, enter the market - everything is in your hands. You, as a representative of the people living on the territory of your state, will receive profit from the extraction of mineral resources from the subsoil belonging to the people living on the territory of your state laughing
      1. -2
        23 March 2020 22: 32
        Quote: Nameless
        The subsoil belonged and belongs to the state. Now, as a representative of the people living on its territory, no one and nothing is stopping you from developing subsoil resources: study, create your own company, hire workers, conclude contracts, enter the market - everything is in your hands. You, as a representative of the people living on the territory of your state, will receive profit from the extraction of mineral resources from the subsoil belonging to the people living on the territory of your state

        Troll, you should at least read the constitution and use your brain sometimes.
        What do you think the state is? A formation descended from above by the Martians or the Almighty, on the territory of which certain people live?
        You yourself are confused in your trolling. In the same paragraph write “The subsoil belonged and belongs to the state” and “profit from the extraction of mineral resources from the subsoil belonging to the people”
        It’s impossible to even call you a demagogue; you don’t realize what you’re writing. Read the constitution and learn history.
        1. +1
          23 March 2020 22: 36
          For me, unlike you, the concepts of “people’s” and “state” are clearly separated - I don’t care what’s populist in your “Stalinist” constitution, to which you have almost a sexual attraction.
  81. -1
    18 March 2020 00: 45
    Quote: Nameless
    Didn’t you participate in VIA “Carte Blanche”? Weren't you the one who sang the song "Plyusha":

    What are you high on? It’s not like it’s the weekend, but your mind has been blown away.
    1. 0
      19 March 2020 22: 23
      A person without a sense of humor is a dead person who will destroy those around him.
      1. -2
        23 March 2020 22: 34
        Quote: Nameless
        A person without a sense of humor is a dead person who will destroy those around him.

        Stupid jokes are not humor.
        1. -1
          24 March 2020 09: 01
          Well, where do I care about such a refined nature with subtle, intelligent humor like you? lol
  82. -1
    18 March 2020 00: 48
    Quote: Nameless
    New buildings are not only in Moscow.

    Where have you been outside the Garden Ring and are you making such bold statements?
    Well, then, based on your previous comments, a question. "And that Putin personally built at least one house?" that you attribute this to him?
    1. 0
      18 March 2020 00: 55
      Quote: E_V_N
      question. "And that Putin personally built at least one house?" that you attribute this to him?

      Replace “Putin” with “Stalin” in your question and try to answer the resulting question. Let's laugh together Yes
      1. -1
        19 March 2020 22: 24
        Comrade Jack! Let me address you! soldier
        1. -2
          19 March 2020 22: 27
          Quote: Nameless
          Comrade Jack! Let me address you! soldier

          Please, no ranks. It's not accepted here wink laughing
          1. -1
            19 March 2020 22: 30
            Understood. Please tell me what you think about Comrade. Evgenia aka E_V_N? Is there a favorable prognosis for the patient’s recovery? Or maybe this is such an advanced case that medicine is powerless here will only help haloperedol "euthanazepam retard"? laughing So to speak, 40 Stalin's blows injections internally! laughing
            1. -2
              19 March 2020 22: 35
              Quote: Nameless
              What do you think about Comrade. Evgenia aka E_V_N?

              To be honest, I don't think anything. There's a pair of every creature here, you can't think of them all.
              1. 0
                19 March 2020 22: 39
                Agree. that for every sneeze you don’t say hello. However, what a type he has! And how passionate he is! And you said that there are no such people, and that there will be no more!
                1. -2
                  19 March 2020 22: 47
                  Quote: Nameless
                  And you said that there are no such people, and that there will be no more!

                  It's not me. This is Panikovsky about the Pound.
                  1. 0
                    19 March 2020 23: 13
                    I know that you then responded with a quote from some work. But there are so many of them here - whole rich pastures! bully
                    1. -1
                      23 March 2020 22: 41
                      Quote: Nameless
                      Will only haloperedol "euthanazepam retard" help?

                      We discussed, well, now take your pill from the ones you listed, judging by your knowledge, you regularly take them.
    2. 0
      22 March 2020 16: 25
      Was, not only in the Moscow region, but also in other cities.

      He himself may not have built anything with his own hands, but he authorized the construction of new residential buildings.
      1. -1
        23 March 2020 22: 45
        Quote: Nameless
        He himself may not have built anything with his own hands, but he authorized the construction of new residential buildings.

        Well, then why is Putin better than Khrushchev or Stalin? They also didn’t build but “sanctioned,” but in your fevered brain, sanctioning GDP is equivalent to production, and Stalin and Khrushchev had to build with their own hands.
        1. 0
          23 March 2020 22: 47
          Why is wide better than warm? Or why is brickwork better than a cat's scream?
  83. -1
    18 March 2020 00: 50
    Quote: Nameless
    Arguments from the kindergarten arsenal were used - “whoever calls you names like that is called you that way”

    So, having no arguments, you were the first to start calling names, so it’s your drain. It’s just weak to admit it to you.
    1. 0
      19 March 2020 22: 22
      Should I rub your face in your rude syllable with which our discussion began? So that “she knows whose mooed”?
  84. -1
    18 March 2020 01: 07
    [quote=Unnamed] For you, the Reds, they are interventionists (because they came after YOUR soul), for Russia, they are allies in WWII. ON our territory, they then defended warehouses with military equipment they had previously transferred to us - so that it would not fall into your hands and be transferred to the Germans. Yes, they helped drive you terrorists away with pissing rags. And then you didn’t defeat them - they left on their own when they realized that there was no one to help.
    A superpower thanks to the work of the people, not the communists.
    There are miracles - we have finally recovered from the consequences of your rule. And much more.
    Yes, anyone who says anything bad about someone with a mustache is an enemy of the people. How could he be alone among enemies who wished him harm? Or maybe it’s just that when a person has all his enemies, then he is simply mentally abnormal?[/quot]
    I was never a member of the CPSU, but I can distinguish white from black. The Entente protected the warehouses, well, my friend, you’re delirious again. She was simply kicked out of Murmansk and Odessa and the Far East. They would have left on their own if they had kept their pockets wider. Germany had already capitulated when the Entente landed, so they again showed their lack of education, a victim of the Unified State Exam. By definition, a people who carried out a revolution cannot be terrorists.
    Don’t classify me as a communist, but the people supported the communist government until the mid-70s, I know this as someone who lived at that time, and you are not telling me wrong.
    "finally recovered from the consequences of your rule. And much more." What is the miracle? What exactly can you show besides the mythical nanotubes? Your Chubais 10 years ago promised every schoolchild a tablet that would roll up into a tube, he received the money, but there are no tablets. He promised a miracle coating for cars, the dirt would bounce off on its own, I received the money, there was no miracle. with nanotubes the same story will happen, this is Chubais.
    Are you dodging questions again?
    1. +1
      22 March 2020 16: 15
      How come you don’t like the Unified State Exam! Just a red rag for a bull! laughing I’m willing to bet that if, in your youth, instead of outdated type exams (2 compulsory subjects - algebra + Russian, and 2 electives) you had to take the Unified State Exam, then instead of further admission to other educational institutions through connections (because the teachers “pulled you”) would remain in your backwoods, twisting the tails of cows - because the Unified State Exam would show that you are just a “inflated figure”, wiping a donut hole in your trousers at your desk, and not a future specialist.

      You also promised people Heaven on Earth called “communism” - “where everything will be free, where everything will be a thrill, where you probably won’t have to die at all...” (Egor Letov)

      I have absolutely nothing to do with Chubais. Just like before his promises. About tablets, yes - it was a blow for the ruble, but a blow for a penny. Not everything that is well thought out is successfully implemented.

      There are miracle coverings! Read more about auto chemicals.

      The first Entente landing in Murmansk took place on March 6, 1918. Germany surrendered in November 1918. Draw your own conclusions - first of all, about your words, about your personality and your level of intelligence.
      1. -2
        23 March 2020 23: 27
        Quote: Nameless
        How come you don’t like the Unified State Exam! Just a red rag for a bull!

        The Unified State Exam is not a woman, why should I love him? I just have to communicate with victims of Unified State Education, and you are a shining example of this generation, you talk a lot, but there is no knowledge.
        Quote: Nameless
        instead of outdated exams (2 compulsory subjects - algebra + Russian, and 2 electives), you would have to take the Unified State Exam

        So you gave away your age to the Unified State Examination dropout. For your information, during my youth there was no choice of exams, you take the Unified State Exam (Russian and mathematics are required, the rest is optional.) And I took mathematics, Russian (essay), geography, history, foreign language, biology and chemistry and that’s it it was mandatory. Your brain cannot handle 7 exams in 20 days. And at the institute they also took exams, and did not enroll based on the results of the Unified State Exam. And there are 4 subjects (mathematics written and oral, composition and physics)
        Quote: Nameless
        instead of further enrolling in other educational institutions through connections (because the teachers “pushed” you), you would have remained in your outback, twisting the tails of cows - because the Unified State Exam would have shown that you are just an “inflated figure”

        But the teachers could not “pull out”, since we passed the exams to different teachers, both school and university. So, you're past the checkout again, just like always. Moreover, in our time there was no paid training, you either passed or failed. This is for you victims of the Unified State Exam who are not able to enter the competition, the diploma is being sold for their parents’ money. This is exactly your case.
        And I graduated from a Moscow university, so in this “outback” you are now “twisting the cows’ tails.”
        Quote: Nameless
        You also promised people Paradise on Earth called “communism” - “where everything will be free

        For you who cannot read, I repeat, unlike you, the revered VVP, I was never a member of the CPSU and was not even a candidate. But they did not promise heaven on earth, but to each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities. But with such “abilities” as yours, you cannot build communism, Putin’s fellow party members got excited.
        Quote: Nameless
        About tablets, yes - it was a blow for the ruble, but a blow for a penny. Not everything that is well thought out is successfully implemented.

        Something about Chubais always makes you fall in love with his plans, but with the implementation there are only tears, with vouchers, with privatization, with energy, with Rusnano. So your example with Chubais is again a miss.
        Quote: Nameless
        There are miracle coverings! Read more about auto chemicals.

        I not only read, I tried, the result is as always, advertising promises for a ruble, but not even a penny.
        Quote: Nameless
        The first Entente landing in Murmansk took place on March 6, 1918. Germany surrendered in November 1918. Draw your own conclusions - first of all, about your words, about your personality and your level of intelligence.

        You should at least read about the intervention on Wikipedia before writing your nonsense here. In March, the British landed in Arkhangelsk, and in Murmansk in October, together with the Canadians and Australians.
        So draw conclusions about your “words, about your personality and your level of intelligence.”
        1. -1
          24 March 2020 00: 30
          Well, you, from a soft sofa and wrapped in a warm checkered blanket, can see better what kind of exams I took in my youth laughing

          Oh, don’t tell me about different teachers in other schools - I saw all this very well in rural schools, all this honesty and impartiality.

          I wrote below what the bosses promised in response to your question about “what they lied about in the USSR.” In fact, if with banknotes, then Utopia and Paradise.

          “With abilities like yours”... I wonder what it could be... it reminds me of something very much... ah, I remembered! Again you were given the wrong people! laughing

          I would like to know about your life achievements in the field of benefit to society - otherwise who in Rus' does not consider himself Napoleon laughing, but he doesn’t throw mud at others!

          Surely, due to inexperience, you purchased the wrong auto chemicals - and now you curse the whole world for it!

          Never mind about Murmansk - I was in such a hurry to answer that I wrote another instead of one. But even so, this does not change the essence - Murmansk in October, the defeat of Germany in November - so which of us is a victim of education?
          1. 0
            26 March 2020 23: 59
            Quote: Nameless
            Well, you, from a soft sofa and wrapped in a warm checkered blanket, can see better what kind of exams I took in my youth

            Just don’t pretend to be a wise old man here. The phrase “2 compulsory exams and 2 optional” is quite enough to determine your age +- 5 years. And this means that you did not live under the USSR, which you are trying to cheat, since you graduated from school with the Unified State Exam when you first appeared, 2 compulsory and 2 elective.
            Quote: Nameless
            Oh, don’t tell me about different teachers in other schools - I saw all this very well in rural schools, all this honesty and impartiality.

            Read carefully, I wrote about different teachers at school and college. I’m not interested in how you did in your rural school.
            Quote: Nameless
            I wrote below what the bosses promised in response to your question about “what they lied about in the USSR.”

            So I answered you that I don’t need to read out the clichés from your training manual, I lived in the USSR and you’re not hanging noodles on my ears
            Quote: Nameless
            Again you were given the wrong people!

            Who gave you the wrong people? I am precisely the people who lived under the USSR and under Yeltsin-Putin. And I have something to compare not from books,,,,, but from life experience.
            Quote: Nameless
            In Rus', he doesn’t consider himself a Napoleon, but he doesn’t sling mud at others!

            And who did I throw mud at? And if the truth hurts someone’s eyes, then it’s not my problem, but his problem.
            Quote: Nameless
            Surely, due to inexperience, you purchased the wrong auto chemicals - and now you curse the whole world for it!

            Ha ha ha. I didn’t purchase it, they used it for me at a car wash in Skolkovo, bottles with a Rusnano hologram. The dirt had to bounce off for six months and 12 washes, in fact, before the first good rain.
            Quote: Nameless
            Never mind about Murmansk - I was in such a hurry to answer that I wrote another instead of one. But even so, this does not change the essence - Murmansk in October, the defeat of Germany in November - so which of us is a victim of education?

            You need to put things in order in your head, otherwise you won’t be able to read this, here I was wrapping up the fish.... Who should guess, they were in no hurry, they pointed out a specific mistake to you, which means your whole argument is down the drain. And the attempt to justify October-November looks ridiculous and stupid, like the Entente was very afraid of Germany in October, and in November Germany surrendered. It’s like on April 9, 1945, everyone very much doubted that Germany would be defeated and Berlin would be taken, so what?
            1. -1
              27 March 2020 09: 43
              What a wonderful schizophasia I gave you! laughing
              PS - you are very much mistaken about what exams I took.
              1. -1
                27 March 2020 22: 18
                Quote: Nameless
                PS - you are very much mistaken about what exams I took.

                Deflated? More like empty phraseology, there is not enough intelligence. Am I mistaken, or am I not mistaken, there were no arguments on your part other than empty chatter.
                1. -1
                  28 March 2020 00: 17
                  What a lively boy! It would be better for you to give answers to my previous statements - real answers, and not these attempts of yours to make me out to be a “troll”, “a poor student”, “a victim of the Unified State Exam”, passing off as your answers simple statements in the style of “stupidity”, “just a laugh” and “since it was different for me than you say, it means that it was the same for others as it was for me.”
                  You won’t even be embarrassed by the fact that you don’t know the history of our country, that the expeditionary forces of the Entente landed on the territory of our country to surrender of Germanynot after. But the main thing for you is to find an error and typo in my statements and, based on it, try to make me out to be an incompetent person against whose background you could look impressive! Bravo! Congratulations, baby! Without knowing it, you got personal! love As one humorist said: “food drags the pan for itself.” laughing Without knowing it, you showed everyone reading this forum that you have essentially nothing to say - and now, out of naivety, you are trying to make me look like an incompetent d.u.r.a.k.o.m. laughing
                  PS - don’t worry about my personality and age: my incognito gives our communication additional sharpness and piquancy laughing
  85. -1
    18 March 2020 01: 19
    Quote: Nameless
    In the Kazakh SSR: “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the USSR as a Union of equal sovereign states?”

    I asked you specifically, did you vote in the referendum or is your knowledge from Wiki, to which anyone can write.
    If you have a brain, think, What was the USSR if not the Union of Republics, with its governments, Supreme Councils, congresses, communist parties, coats of arms, flags, constitutions and all other possible attributes of independence? Well, naturally there was a Union Government, a Supreme Council, a congress, a flag, a constitution, and so on. But this is also natural. So what is this discovery about equality and sovereignty?
    The impression is that you are so uneducated that you completely do not understand the subject you are trying to talk about.
    I'll wait for the answer, what were they lying to you about in the USSR and how were you repressed and suppressed?
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      19 March 2020 23: 10
      Whether I voted or not is a slightly intimate question, the answer to which I will keep in suspense so as not to further generate your verbiage. laughing

      I know what the USSR was like without you. You apparently don’t even know recent history (let alone understand what’s written), since you blame all the blame for its collapse on Yeltsin and Gorbachev, and not on the State Emergency Committee, which with its August prank completely discouraged any desire among the leaders of the union republics to preserve the Union and remain part of it.

      What did they lie about in the USSR? About a powerful economy, about the absence of exploitation of man by man, about an advanced social system and the Decaying West, about a supposedly high standard of living and stability, the absence of crime, about high-quality food, about supposedly free education with apartments and medicine, about a supposedly strong foreign policy, friendship peoples and respect throughout the world - and about much more.
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        23 March 2020 23: 49
        Quote: Nameless
        Whether I voted or not is a slightly intimate question, the answer to which I will keep in suspense

        You don’t have to save it anymore; in your previous opus about exams in the USSR, you completely betrayed your true age. SCHOOL.
        Quote: Nameless
        All the blame for its collapse lies with Yeltsin and Gorbachev, and not with the State Emergency Committee, which, with its August prank, completely discouraged any desire among the leaders of the union republics to preserve the Union and remain in its composition.

        It’s not funny, the Union republics (except for the Baltic states) did not leave the USSR at all, the USSR was declared dissolved precisely by the Belovezhskaya trinity, with Gorbachev cowardly sitting in Pharos. I lived in those days and I remember this not from Wiki and your manual.
        Quote: Nameless
        What did they lie about in the USSR? About a powerful economy, about the absence of exploitation of man by man, about the advanced social system and the Decaying West, about the supposedly high standard of living and stability, the absence of crime, about high-quality food, about supposedly free education with apartments and medicine,

        The United States recognized the USSR economy as second only to itself, did they also lie? For 30 years, the economy after the USSR has been torn apart and cannot be finished off in any way, isn’t this strength?
        Well, who exploited whom in the USSR? Who was the employer? Who owned the plants and factories, collective farms and state farms?
        So socialism, compared to capitalism, is of course advanced, but they will never write about this in your manual.
        The standard of living in the USSR was not at all lower than the European one; there is no comparison with the current ratio.
        There was crime, but the modern crime level is an order of magnitude higher.
        The products were of high quality, made from natural meat, flour and butter. There was nothing genetically modified, soy instead of meat, palm oil instead of cow oil.
        Education was all free, from school to higher education; there was no paid education in any form.
        Medicine was free, no one carried medicine to the hospital and there were no queues for operations.
        Workers received apartments free of charge for 10 - 15 years of work. Those without housing were provided with a hostel. You will be surprised, but the communal fee for a 3-room apartment was 15 rubles with all consumables, with a salary of 250-300 rubles.
        So eat your manual, it's a complete lie.
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          24 March 2020 00: 32
          But I will give an answer to this attack later - because it’s already late, it’s time to sleep.
          PS - you will only dream of peace... lol
          ZYY - let's start with at least the fact that ordinary people, for the most part, received about 1975 rubles during the period 1985-120. This is my blow to your paws - so that you don’t lie anymore!
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            27 March 2020 00: 08
            Quote: Nameless
            ZYY - let's start with at least the fact that ordinary people, for the most part, received about 1975 rubles during the period 1985-120. This is my blow to your paws - so that you don’t lie anymore!

            I told you, eat your manual, it’s all lies. Why tell me about salaries of 120 rubles, I myself worked at that time. My salary alone was 165 rubles, plus bonuses and additional payments; in 1985 I received 290-350 rubles depending on the month. At that time, my father, an excavator operator, earned 300-400 rubles, my mother, a shift foreman, earned 250-300 rubles. Not secretaries or diplomats, ordinary people, but for some reason the salaries don’t match your manual.
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              27 March 2020 23: 49
              Wow! salary 165 + bonuses + additional payments = 290-350 rubles. And you present this amount as a salary, which you had was 165 rubles. So some taxi driver could “earn” 1000 rubles a month on top of his salary and tell tales. Race like a gray gelding - it's a pleasure to watch! laughing
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                April 3 2020 15: 14
                Quote: Nameless
                salary 165 + bonuses + additional payments = 290-350 rubles. And you present this amount as a salary, which you had was 165 rubles.

                Have you ever worked? The salary consists of a salary (tariff), bonuses, additional payments (for harmful production, regional coefficients, additional payments for complexity and intensity, work at night, on weekends, etc.). Or you don’t even know that. Have you even finished school or are you unable to pass the Unified State Examination?
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                  April 3 2020 22: 30
                  Why are you giving me an educational program on salaries and bonuses? I told you that initially you gave out your 290-35 rubles for a salary. And that’s why they admitted that your salary was actually 165 rubles - and everything else was an allowance. You lie as you breathe!
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                    April 8 2020 10: 52
                    Quote: Nameless
                    I told you that initially you gave out your 290-35 rubles for a salary. And that’s why they admitted that your salary was actually 165 rubles - and everything else was an allowance. You lie as you breathe!

                    Are you thinking with your head? Salary is what a person receives for work, for a month worked. But how it is calculated, what payments it consists of, is of no interest to anyone. And there is no need to confuse the salary of 165 and the entire salary of 290-350. The impression is that you are deliberately pretending not to understand, although the syllable of the letter does not make you look like a Down, although you have no knowledge and your head is a mess of a manual.
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                      April 9 2020 22: 18
                      You're just crazy. You don’t even read what I wrote and don’t delve into the meaning of what I wrote. You would only have one thing - to make me look like an incompetent person. Keep working for the public.
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                        April 10 2020 23: 58
                        Quote: Nameless
                        You don’t even read what I wrote and don’t delve into the meaning of what I wrote. You would only have one thing - to make me look like an incompetent person. Keep working for the public.

                        Why should I make you look incompetent? You present yourself beautifully.
                        I give you your own quote and respond to what you wrote, but you yourself are not able to evaluate your own writings. It’s no longer possible to even dodge beautifully.
                        But you can try to insult as much as you like, I treat you like “they’re children,” but they don’t take offense at children.
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                        April 11 2020 00: 09
                        You are definitely crazy. And you behave like a woman.
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            April 3 2020 15: 10
            And here are the promised quotes about 120. By the way, the date range is given here, as much as 1975-1985 and the specific number 120.
            Quote: Nameless
            ZYY - let's start with at least the fact that ordinary people, for the most part, received about 1975 rubles during the period 1985-120. This is my blow to your paws - so that you don’t lie anymore!

            Well, how are you going to get out? Really curious. Are you really admitting a mistake? I can’t believe I’m able to admit it.
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          25 March 2020 23: 01
          To you, a resident of the Khrushchev block, all the intelligence information from all over the Union and from the sidelines in the Kremlin probably flowed to her.

          Plants and factories, collective farms and state farms belonged to the state, not the people represented by shareholders or private individuals. Those. everything corresponded to Lenin’s concept of “state monopoly”, when all material property is in the hands of the state. This allowed the USSR, represented by a set of bureaucratic structures, consisting in turn of people united in a corporate clan with their own clear interests, to carry out super-exploitation of the remaining population in accordance with its goals - because 95% of it was behind the Iron Curtain, there was simply nowhere to escape from it, and therefore the state imposed its large construction projects and coercion on it.

          With socialism, is it like from a Soviet textbook on scientific communism: “Marxist-Leninist teaching is correct because it is true”? laughing

          In many working-class towns and suburbs, drunkenness, fights on dance floors with frequent stabbings were the norm, and showing up in someone else's neighborhood meant a big chance of being brutally beaten. In Moscow, by the end of the 70s, approximately 500 murders were committed per year. In Japan at the same time - about 150.
          You’d better tell me - how did the thieves’ and bandit’s psychology and worldview manage to so easily enter the 90s en masse? After all, they themselves raised her with their double morality, when in educational institutions and at work they joined the Pioneers and the Komsomol, but in everyday life they looked into their mouths and romanticized thieves and street punks!
          It is thanks to your generation that organized crime groups and thieves in law were born, your generation personified prison as a school of life.
          And your assertion that there was less crime in the USSR than now is simply stupid, because most crimes were simply not given publicity or wide resonance. I wouldn't be surprised
          if most of the cases on them are still kept secret in the archives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

          Regarding the apartments: they were not actually “free” - because... in fact, the real cost of their construction was simply deducted from salaries like a tax, which was also hidden. Let’s say that with deductions they received an average salary of 100-120 rubles, and without deductions they could receive about 200-240 rubles. Therefore, free was imaginary. Moreover, getting these supposedly “free” apartments is even worse than a mortgage: because, unlike it, in the USSR you did not become a homeowner regardless of the time of residence in it. It did not become yours, the state simply “let you live” in the apartment for a while - besides, it could be seized by them at any moment, and you yourself did not have any property rights to it: i.e. in no way could they dispose of it as their real estate - neither sell it, nor officially exchange it, nor transfer it by inheritance, nor transfer it into any other property assets.
          Therefore, it is correct not “it was free” - but “provided for use”
          No need to lie - most of the people who did not receive apartments lived either in village houses or in communal apartments - which are essentially the same barracks. Dormitories were only provided service apartments, in which a person lives while engaged in his professional activities.
          The cost of housing and communal services was different then, as well as salaries (and very different): your 15 rubles for three rubles with a salary of 250-300 are exceptions to the rule, because the majority received a much lower salary - from 200 to 120 rubles, and had to pay housing and communal services even for a one-room apartment they could cost 20 rubles. Therefore, there is no need to babble here, passing off exceptions to the rules as a widespread phenomenon. You are falling more and more in my eyes - you have fallen so low in your lies that sometimes it seems to me that the bottom above you is like the sky.

          Education and medicine - like apartments - were not free. Money for salaries of doctors and teachers, for the construction of schools and hospitals was found from the state budget, which you, as a law-abiding worker, replenished. Without these tax deductions, your salaries would be slightly higher, and you would had to pay directly certain services.
          Modern paid training is:
          1). Private alternative to public educational institutions (a kind of business)
          2). Additional places at universities above a certain quota for those who really want to study
          3). Hiring a tutor - a kind of freelancer from education who, for money, can teach your child something necessary or interesting
          Therefore, I ask you not to dramatize about paid education.

          You would also provide me with retouched drawings from the “Book of Tasty and Healthy Food” - or even staged photographs from newspapers - as evidence of the supposedly high standard of living in the USSR. Let's do some simple arithmetic: no matter what you say about a salary of 250-300 rubles, the majority still received 120-150. And some even 60-70 rubles. Now let's look at the prices: a car cost 3-7 thousand rubles, rent for a two-room apartment - 15-20 rubles, one trip to the store - 10-15 rubles, a normal TV and refrigerator - 400-700 and 300 rubles, respectively, a men's sheepskin coat and normal shoes - 240 and about 60 rubles. By modern standards, the average salary of a USSR citizen was about $250-300. Isn’t this poverty, when people saved for months or even years to buy household appliances and furniture to furnish an apartment, while buying their own car remained an unattainable dream for most?

          Soviet medicine lagged far behind Western medicine. Modern technologies and treatment methods were available only to a select few; most doctors simply did not know them. So, since the 60s (i.e., when the technogenicity of medicine began to increase and it became the subject of widespread government support), our country was many times higher than other decent countries in terms of morbidity and mortality, especially child and maternal mortality. In the late 80s, we still used glass syringes, reusable needles, catheters and intravenous infusion systems. Life expectancy also speaks eloquently about the level of development of Soviet medicine - men mostly lived to 50-60, women a dozen longer.
          Pharmaceuticals were poorly developed, so a significant part of the drugs had to be purchased abroad. Simple medicines and remedies were very cheap, but slightly less common ones had to be “obtained” - sometimes in other cities. In isolation from world science, dubious methods of treatment (for example, “sanatorium-resort” treatment) spread in the USSR, and it was then that non-existent diagnoses like “vegetative-vascular dystonia” appeared, which are still made today.
          Another imaginary pride is that there were more doctors in the USSR than in other countries, but quantity did not translate into quality. Hospitals were overcrowded, with people often lying in the corridors - not least because many were hospitalized for conditions that did not actually require hospital treatment. People stayed in the hospital for a long time; We waited in line for weeks and months for procedures and operations.
          The rudeness and rudeness of Soviet doctors and medical personnel in district clinics and hospitals deserves special attention. The doctors were very unmotivated and had no job satisfaction. As a rule, they received little money - and the payment did not depend on the number of people cured. Most doctors had little desire to deepen their knowledge and showed little interest in publications in medical journals. The function of the clinics was mainly to evaluate whether to issue a sick leave to a person or not. Patients did not particularly trust doctors - perhaps because of this, in the late 1980s, “alternative medicine” like homeopathy and healing became so popular in the atheistic state.

          You say the products were natural? Moreover, at the end of the 60s in our country they learned to isolate food protein from waste oil products! The caviar was black, which was impossible to eat due to the smell and taste of either gasoline or kerosene! A dream come true i.d.i.o.t.o.v. that chemistry can replace agricultural products! As evidence, can they provide you with excerpts from a textbook on organic chemistry and from the Soviet encyclopedia - from those places where they enthusiastically talk about the miraculous discovery of Soviet scientists?
          GMOs are a discovery, if not of the 80s and XNUMXs, then certainly of the XNUMXs. There certainly could not be GMOs in the union - because genetics, as well as cybernetics, were defamed by the party and branded as pseudoscience.
          Your GOST standards, which you treat like icons of Saints, did not ensure the excellent taste of the products so that they could be served even at an imperial feast, but the absence of defects in production, the percentage of the components of the product and described what can replace them?. Here is GOST 23670-79 (from 1979), regulating the composition of sausages and frankfurters: “Instead of beef, pork, lamb, the joint use of a protein stabilizer, beef or pork, or lamb mass, food plasma (serum), blood, starch or flour is allowed wheat" - the same as modern products. And where are the natural ingredients if normal meat could be replaced with food-grade blood plasma, starch or flour?
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            27 March 2020 01: 48
            Quote: Nameless
            Plants and factories, collective farms and state farms belonged to the state, and not to the people represented by shareholders or private individuals.

            Read the Constitution of the USSR first, this is the fundamental law of any state; according to the constitution, the state owned nothing, absolutely nothing at all. Everything belonged to the people.
            Quote: Nameless
            Lenin's concept of "state monopoly", when all material property is in the hands of the state.

            Then you will read Lenin’s works, not the manual. State monopoly meant only the elimination of private ownership of mineral resources and means of production,
            Quote: Nameless
            This allowed the USSR, represented by a set of bureaucratic structures, consisting in turn of people united in a corporate clan with their own clear interests, to carry out super-exploitation of the remaining population in accordance with its goals

            Well, then they would write not “in the person of officials,” but “party functionaries of the CPSU,” since in the late USSR, which you are trying to talk about here, everything was decided by party bodies, and not by Soviet officials.
            Quote: Nameless
            With socialism, is it like from a Soviet textbook on scientific communism: “Marxist-Leninist teaching is correct because it is true”?

            Now which teaching do you think is correct? Gaidar-Chubaisovskoe? Neither Yeltsin nor Putin wrote works that you don’t know for sure in their heads.
            Quote: Nameless
            In many working-class towns and suburbs, drunkenness, fights on dance floors with frequent stabbings were the norm, and showing up in someone else's neighborhood meant a big chance of being brutally beaten.

            There is no point in even arguing with this nonsense, they drank no more than now, the stabbing was something out of the ordinary. Since murders in the USSR were solved in 90+ percent of cases, now only in 40%. I personally walked calmly even at night at 2-3 o’clock, I was young, I saw off girls and I didn’t have to be “brutally beaten.”
            Quote: Nameless
            After all, they themselves raised her with their double morality, when in educational institutions and at work they joined the Pioneers and the Komsomol, but in everyday life they looked into their mouths and romanticized thieves and street punks!

            Well, firstly, there were no pioneers at work; they joined the Komsomol at the age of 14, not a working age. Again, were you in a hurry and thought after thought? Do you know who became a bandit at 90? The bulk were athletes who did not study well at school, did not want to work, and dreamed of a beautiful life.
            Quote: Nameless
            It is thanks to your generation that organized crime groups and thieves in law were born, your generation personified prison as a school of life.
            And your assertion that there was less crime in the USSR than now is simply stupid, because most crimes were simply not given publicity or wide resonance.

            But it’s okay that thieves in law existed even during the Empire, organized crime groups then were also simply called “gangs” by another name, gangs were still under the princes before the Empire. So there is no need to blame the sick head on the healthy one and talk about yet another nonsense. You know, maybe your environment personified the prison as a school of life, but certainly not ours. Thieves' romance started in the mid-90s, right from the time of your childhood, so this is the creation of just your generation.
            Quote: Nameless
            were not “free” - because in fact, the real cost of their construction was simply deducted from salaries like a tax, which was also hidden. Let’s say that with deductions they received an average salary of 100-120 rubles, and without deductions they could receive about 200-240 rubles. Therefore, the freeness was imaginary.

            There is so much garbage and nonsense in your head. Free means that the recipient did not pay for it. What are the deductions? With salary only income tax of 13% was paid; up to 80+ young people paid another 1% for childlessness if they had no children. How much you could get is all chatter and a figment of your imagination. I wrote above that in 1985 I received up to 350 rubles, my parents at that time had approximately the same salary, what 120 you are talking about is not clear to me at all.
            Quote: Nameless
            It did not become yours, the state simply “let you live” in the apartment for a while - besides, it could be seized by them at any moment, and you yourself did not have any property rights to it: i.e. in no way could they dispose of it as their real estate - neither sell it, nor officially exchange it, nor transfer it by inheritance, nor transfer it into any other property assets.

            Don’t talk nonsense, no one has ever confiscated apartments or kicked residents out onto the street. The apartments were not passed on by inheritance, but more than one generation lived in the apartments, the transfer “by inheritance” was done by registering children and grandchildren, this did not change the essence.
            Quote: Nameless
            Therefore, it is correct not “it was free” - but “provided for use”

            Well then, to be precise, “It was transferred free of charge for indefinite use.” And what does this change? Have you bought a lot of apartments? Or did you sell your grandfather's and parents'?
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              27 March 2020 09: 07
              I tell you again - I don’t care what populist is written in the Soviet constitution of the Stalin or Brezhnev model. The communists could write whatever they wanted in it and hide behind whatever “popular” slogans and chants they wanted - the paper would tolerate anything.

              But in reality it turned out differently than in the words of the burr - not only on the mineral resources and means of production, but also on private property (and even personal life), including. For the burry guy, in general, everything was like this: he says one thing, thinks the second, and does a third. Did you promise factories to workers? Did they allow any worker to become the owner of a factory or a group of workers to become its shareholders? No! Were the peasants promised land? Has everyone become their own boss on their own plot of land? NO! On the contrary, through surplus appropriation and an artificially created famine, they were driven to collective farms, forced to work not for money, but for workdays, they did not issue passports until the end of the 70s, and under pain of liability they were forbidden to leave it and go to the city! Isn't this serfdom?

              Party functionaries and Soviet officials - the apple does not fall far from the tree.

              Modern society does not need any teaching - for it consists for the most part not of dense, uncouth cattle who need to be led into a “bright future” like cattle with sticks, but of relatively normal people - who simply want a quiet, peaceful, calm and prosperous life.

              Well, yes, well, yes, you can also tell me fables about the fact that all the lumpen of those years, instead of regularly sucking on their favorite scale, loved to engage in poetry, sports and played music on the harp laughing
              Why did you even decide that the Soviet police, some of which they themselves created the crimes (I’ll give you a link to a story someday about how members of the valiant Soviet police unknowingly detained a KGB officer, took him to the police station, beat him to death , robbed and threw out his corpse), solved more than 90% of crimes? Probably revealed how - like the murders of Chikatilo, over and over again catching and sentencing innocent people to capital punishment? Why do you even think that modern police solve no more than 40% of crimes? Where did you get these numbers from? From the ceiling?
              You were either very lucky - or you saw the girls off in a prosperous area. And there were those who had all their teeth knocked out or even lost their eyes - and then walked around with an artificial one - because they “found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time.”

              You did not understand me at all when I spoke about your double morality, when in educational institutions and at work you sympathized with the idols of Soviet culture - pioneers and Komsomol members, and on the street - with thieves and street punks and hooligans. The bulk of the bandits in the 90s were simple, ordinary people - I already know that.

              I don’t argue that crime existed in all eras, in all states and in any people. But specifically the current “institute of thieves in law” and the attitude towards prison as an army - i.e. as the next step and school of life - this is your Soviet heritage, because it came specifically from the Union. So don't generalize.
              Besides, when you were young, if you had talked not with your college comrades, but with representatives of the “lower classes,” you would have been very surprised.
              Please tell me one more thing - since everything was so successful in the criminal sphere then, how could the films “Gentlemen of Fortune”, “The meeting place cannot be changed” and the cartoon “The Adventures of Vasya Kurolesov” be made in the USSR - how could their authors even know What is crime and what does it look like if, according to you, there was no crime in the USSR, just like sex?

              Once again I sincerely tell you: free cheese only comes in a mousetrap. Your free access to apartments, medicine and education was due to your own payment for them through taxes. You paid for them anyway - only it seemed to you that this was not so. Without these taxes, you would have to pay for all your “free” joys directly as utilities.
              I remember you here claimed to me that you personally pay for the activities of the FSVNG through taxes. So we can say that you yourself answered your statement about the “free” availability of apartments, medicine and education.
              I repeat once again - the salaries were very different. The fact that you and your relatives received 350 rubles each does not mean that others received the same amount. This is one of the symptoms of schizophrenia, when they say that if I don’t see or hear something, then it doesn’t really exist. I am again visited by thoughts that I am having small talk with an abnormal person.

              Yes? But what about the seizure of an apartment according to the law in favor of the Soviet state in the event of crimes? And there is no need to confuse inheritance by writing a legally executed will and registration of your relatives - these are, as they say in Odessa, “two big differences”

              No, you’re naughty, don’t mix warm with soft! There was no trace of free money - they paid for the apartment in taxes anyway, and the apartments themselves belonged to the state from start to finish - and it did not give them away, but graciously allowed them to settle in and live - the apartment still belonged to the state. And “urgency” was determined by many factors - from the onset of criminal or administrative liability to the renewal of the housing stock.

              I inherited something.
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                28 March 2020 00: 51
                Quote: Nameless
                I don’t care what populist is written in the Stalinist or Brezhnev-style Soviet constitution.

                And I don’t care what you don’t care about. When referring to Yeltsin’s laws and constitution, please take into account the constitution and laws of the period you are trying to talk about. Reasoning from the perspective of today about the mistakes of the past, at the very least, disrespect for parents and grandparents, but in fact the banal verbiage of a short-lived teenager who imagines himself to be the navel of the universe.
                Quote: Nameless
                Did they allow any worker to become the owner of a factory or a group of workers to become its shareholders?

                During Lenin’s time, it was former workers who became directors (in your logic, owners), people’s commissars (ministers), foremen and engineers. Private enterprises are being corporatized, but they were nationalized. In general, this is the life and choice of my grandfathers (your great-grandfathers) and it is not for me to condemn them and criticize them for their decisions.
                Quote: Nameless
                passports were not issued until the late 70s

                Loser, finally read the arithmetic, the end of the 70s is almost 80, are you really writing that passports were not issued in the villages until 1980? Yes, and before they issued permits to leave for study and to live with children.
                Quote: Nameless
                Well, yes, well, yes, you can also tell me fables about the fact that all the lumpen of those years, instead of regularly sucking on their favorite scale, loved to engage in poetry, sports and played music on the harp

                Well, of course, you claim that under Putin the lumpens play harps, did I understand correctly?
                Quote: Nameless
                Why do you even think that modern police solve no more than 40% of crimes?

                I wrote not about crimes, but about murders, 40% is from official statistics of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
                Quote: Nameless
                You were either very lucky - or you escorted the girls through a prosperous area.

                So there were “prosperous areas”? I have many friends from school and college, but none of them are toothless or eyeless. Out of a couple of hundred, not one is missing. Therefore, your words are just chatter for me and nothing more.
                Quote: Nameless
                you sympathized with the idols of Soviet culture - the pioneers and Komsomol members, and on the street - thieves and street punks with hooligans.

                I don’t belong to the lumpen, so I didn’t respect the punks, much less sympathize with them, and didn’t like Komsomol and party demagogues. And if I talk about the advantages and the truth about life in the USSR, this does not mean at all that I am a communist. I am simply for the truth and against stupid denigration of the past, for the sake of justifying the flawed present.
                Quote: Nameless
                treating prison like an army - i.e. as the next step and school of life - this is your Soviet heritage, because it came specifically from the Union.

                Your youth occurred at the end of the 90s, and this is no longer the times of the USSR but the beginning of modern Russia, it was in the 90s that criminal romance and prison school began, criminal chanson on the radio and discs. In the USSR, chanson was banned. Maximum Vysotsky from under the counter.
                Quote: Nameless
                how in the USSR they could make films “gentlemen of fortune”, “the meeting place cannot be changed”

                “Gentlemen of Fortune” is generally not about crime, but about the re-education of criminals with kindness. The “meeting place” is philosophical, is it possible to plant while breaking the law? And if you take modern ones, “Streets of Broken Lanterns”, “Cop Wars”, etc., there is generally crime among the police
                Quote: Nameless
                In the USSR, according to you, there was no such thing as sex?

                And you, you need to understand, are either from a test tube or an immaculate conception.
                Quote: Nameless
                Your free access to apartments, medicine and education was due to your own payment for them through taxes.

                And I didn’t say the opposite, you just didn’t understand the main idea; in the USSR, taxes paid (or part of them) were returned to the population by transferring free use of apartments, medicine and education. And in modern Russia, taxes are taken more than in the USSR, but apartments, medicine and education also become paid
                .
                Quote: Nameless
                received 350 rubles does not mean that the others received the same amount. This is one of the symptoms of schizophrenia, when they say that if I don’t see or hear something, then it doesn’t really exist. I am again visited by thoughts that I am having small talk with an abnormal person.

                I did not claim that everyone in the USSR earned money like this, I simply said that a person with a certain education, knowledge and skills earned quite decent money, 350 or more (the same miners 400-600 rubles), and without education, janitors and nannies could earn The 120 you announced, but this was not the average salary in the USSR in the 80s.
                You won’t believe it, but I can’t help thinking about your abnormality and deceit. Well, a normal person can’t write so much nonsense
                .
                Quote: Nameless
                But what about the seizure of an apartment according to the law in favor of the Soviet state in the event of crimes?

                Are you now, like a true liberal, all about caring about criminals?
                Well then, what about the confiscation of apartments by court from legal purchasers who have been registered with government agencies in cases of some kind of illegal transaction with this apartment. Moreover, no one returns the money to the victim.
                Quote: Nameless
                And “urgency” was determined by many factors - from the onset of criminal or administrative liability to the renewal of the housing stock.

                Not every criminal liability implied confiscation; moreover, the inmate retained the right to the living space he occupied. Administrative liability did not lead to confiscation. Updating the housing stock in 100% of cases led to the receipt of new apartments for each family living in the apartment.
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                  28 March 2020 01: 02
                  Well, let's continue your treatment session...

                  You attribute to me something that I did not do - in particular, you referred to the Yeltsin constitution. If it comes down to it, then it was YOU who referred to the Constitution of the USSR with its “people's subsoil”. Are you doing fraud again?

                  And that I now have no right to judge the Stone Age as an era of barbarism and savagery, when people were like animals? Do I not have the right to give my assessment just because I myself did not live at that time? And that I am thus disgracing the “ancestors” along the monkey line? My answer to you is simple - stop extolling the USSR as a Utopia, absolutely devoid of any shortcomings, and finally start telling the truth. Again, stop the forgery.

                  I also already told you about banal verbiage. You are a statement to me - I give you a reasoned answer - you don’t like my arguments in a biased way, and you take them with hostility, calling them verbiage, and calling me a dropout, a poor student, and a victim of the Unified State Exam. You even stooped to the point that here, on the Internet, where literacy is nothing, and a timely and quick response is everything, you tried to find fault with my typos and mistakes as an excuse to make me out to be an incompetent person - this suggests that you have already sunk to the end, have become brutalized that you have already broken through the bottom.
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                    April 1 2020 01: 07
                    Quote: Nameless
                    You attribute to me something that I did not do - in particular, you referred to the Yeltsin constitution. If it comes down to it, then it was YOU who referred to the Constitution of the USSR with its “people's subsoil”. Are you doing fraud again?

                    I must disappoint you, the Yeltsin Constitution is in force now, and you are talking from its perspective about the time when other constitutions and laws were in force. If the words “I don’t care what Constitutions were in force at that time” are not verbiage, then what should we call this phenomenon?
                    Quote: Nameless
                    And that I now have no right to judge the Stone Age as an era of barbarism and savagery, when people were like animals?

                    Yes, judge with your health about any time, just know the circumstances and laws of the time about which you judge. And don’t pretend to be the messiah who brings the ultimate truth to humanity.
                    Quote: Nameless
                    You are a statement to me - I answer you with reasoning - you don’t like my biased arguments,

                    Are you giving a reasoned answer? Do not make me laugh. Of course, if the slogans from the manual are an argument for you, then oh-oh-oh. I repeat to you once again, there were shortcomings and problems in the USSR, but they were not in the area that you are trying to talk about here. And in general, a funny situation, a person did not live in the USSR, and is trying to prove to me, who lived in the USSR, that everything that I saw with my own eyes and that happened to me did not really exist.
                    Quote: Nameless
                    and I am a dropout, a poor student, and a victim of the Unified State Exam. You even stooped to the point that here, on the Internet, where literacy is nothing, and a timely and quick response is everything, you tried to find fault with my typos and mistakes as a reason to make me out to be an incompetent person.

                    Well, if you are a poor student and a victim of the Unified State Exam, what can I do about it?
                    You know, on the Internet and in the newspaper, literacy is more important than speed, otherwise it turns out that instead of Murmansk you need to read Arkhangelsk, 2010 turns out to have come before 1990. People like you who are literate are turning the Internet into a garbage dump, where instead of knowledge there are fabrications of half-educated people.
                    And you are an incompetent person, not even because you are illiterate, but because you are trying to talk about what you do not know.
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                      April 1 2020 09: 30
                      To be honest, you are already talking outright nonsense. I never referred to the Yeltsin Constitution - you attribute that to me what I didn't do... In turn you constantly reminded me that the mineral resources should belong to the “people” - as it was written down in the constitution of the USSR during the reign of Stalin - thereby referring to it. You attribute your actions to me - and in fact you are engaged in forgery. You are a vile, resourceful creature - to correspond with you is not to respect yourself.

                      Continue, instead of giving normal answers, to look for phrases and entire sentences in my texts that are detached from the general topic and try, based on them, to defend me as an incompetent person. Keep working for the public. You have all the makings of a buffoon laughing.

                      And what, from the fact that I refute your myths about the USSR as a state where there was nothing bad and there was only good, it automatically turns out that I am the messiah? You gave me a classic set of cliches about life in the USSR - I refuted them by providing reliable information. All. You were making a statement, and I was making a refutation. Where it comes from this that I am the messiah is categorically not clear, because messiah is translated as “anointed one.”

                      I know perfectly well that people then were much less kind and easily committed acts against humanity. The fact that eras separate me from them in no way saves them from my criticism.

                      Why don't you like my arguments? If it comes down to it, in addition to your standard “Putin is to blame for everything” and “how things are getting worse in Russia day by day”, classic pearls about life in the USSR; about “free” housing with education and medical care, about a high standard of living, about the absence of crime, food according to GOST standards, and so on; and your attempts to portray me as a “victim of the Unified State Exam”, a “dropout”, a “failing student”, “who did not live during the times of the USSR (in order to lower my authority in the eyes of casual visitors and the “weight” of my arguments, respectively) - I heard nothing more. WHAT. While I provided detailed refutations for each of your attacks. But you are like any communist (okay, I’ll give you a discount as a person who did not join the party - I’ll simply call you a supporter of the Soviet regime laughing ) there is only one single correct point of view - your own. All the rest for you are the machinations of someone else's propaganda. That’s why they have already sunk to the point of starting to find fault with errors in my writing of the text - because essentially I have nothing to answer you with.

                      In order to give you a reasoned and detailed answer, I have to spend several hours of free time. As a busy person, I don’t have much of this time - that’s why I value every moment I live, and I try to give answers as soon as possible. I’m not giving you an essay or a dictation here as a school teacher, so that you can reproach me with stylistic, semantic, spelling or other errors. Literacy here is important for those for whom writing texts is a profession. To me, as a simple copyist, such typos and mistakes are quite forgivable - I’m not giving you an article or technical documentation here. The main thing for me is that before you go offline, I have time to write you a message - and you read it and give me an answer.

                      You started talking about shortcomings only after I refuted your statements about the USSR, which have long since become classic. You essentially backed down to save face. And we didn’t really talk about the shortcomings of the USSR - however, it was in vain that you started talking about them bully

                      Calm down already about Arkhangelsk and Murmansk. You noticed a mistake - I recognized it and corrected it. You claimed stupidity when you said that Germany capitulated earlier than the Entente landed in the previously mentioned cities - I refuted this and reproached you for ignorance (or deliberate distortion?) of our history. You yourself have exposed yourself as an incompetent person - now you are trying to turn out like a snake and make me look like a dropout based on the fact that I wrote another instead of one city. Regarding dates, no one and nothing prohibits first mentioning and discussing later dates, and then earlier ones.

                      Well, why - I know the topic of our discussion very well. So much so that you have already descended to attempts to compromise me as a person knowledgeable in this area.
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                        April 1 2020 16: 20
                        Quote: Nameless
                        I never referred to the Yeltsin Constitution - you attribute to me something that I did not do. In turn, you constantly reminded me that the subsoil should belong to the “people” - as it was written down in the Constitution of the USSR during the reign of Stalin - thereby referring to it.

                        Loser, you will finally learn to quote your opponent, otherwise you are constantly merging into one bucket everything you have ever read somewhere, without reflecting who exactly wrote it.
                        I mentioned the subsoil belonging to the people once, but as a Putinist, this apparently really bothered you, one might say, you got stuck on it. By the way, the mineral resources belonged to the people not only in the Stalinist constitution, but also in later ones, right up to Brezhnev’s, and it was in Gorbachev’s draft. Only it was in Yeltsin that the people were deprived of the right to subsoil and land.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Continue, instead of giving normal answers, to look for phrases and entire sentences in my texts that are detached from the general topic and try, based on them, to defend me as an incompetent person.

                        I haven’t seen any questions in your lengthy posts for a long time, just long-winded verbiage. It’s hard to find anything resembling a human thought in a paragraph, and I’m trying not to answer.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        from the fact that I refute your myths about the USSR as a state where there was nothing bad and there was only good, it automatically turns out that I am the messiah?

                        I don’t draw any myths about the USSR, I don’t advocate for anything, I’m just talking about what I saw with my own eyes, what events I took part in, how I lived during the times of the USSR. And I don’t care that my experience breaks your worldview template and does not agree with your training manual.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        You gave me a classic set of cliches about life in the USSR - I refuted them by providing reliable information.

                        What "reliable" information did you provide? Do not make me laugh. Do you think some figures taken out of thin air, without reference to the source of information, can be considered a refutation? Without indicating the source, it is impossible to verify their accuracy, and to take a half-educated person at his word is not to respect yourself.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        I know perfectly well that people then were much less kind and easily committed acts against humanity. The fact that eras separate me from them in no way saves them from my criticism.

                        How do you know perfectly well about a time in which you did not live? Are you delusional again?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        If it comes down to it, in addition to your standard “Putin is to blame for everything” and “how things are getting worse in Russia day after day,”

                        The quote where I wrote that Putin is to blame for everything and everything is lost? You constantly write here that you were misunderstood, you didn’t write this, you just made a mistake in a hurry. But you yourself constantly attribute to others what they did not say.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        “who did not live during the times of the USSR (in order to lower my authority in the eyes of casual visitors and the “weight” of my arguments, respectively) - I heard nothing more. NOTHING.

                        Well, you didn’t live in the USSR, and you know about that life only from liberal articles and your manual. Or will you prove that you lived? Are you sure that you have authority?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        ok, I’ll give you a discount as a person who did not join the party - I’ll simply call you a supporter of the Soviet regime

                        Yes, I’m not a supporter of any government at all, I just don’t like the lies of people who write.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        There is only one true point of view - your own. All the rest for you are the machinations of someone else’s propaganda.

                        I cited data and events from my life, it really happened and you are in vain trying to prove to me that it did not happen.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        and in order to give you a reasoned and detailed answer, I have to spend several hours of free time.

                        Don’t write so much text that doesn’t carry any information, and you’ll save yourself time
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Literacy here is important for those for whom writing texts is a profession. To me, as a simple copyist such typos and errors are quite forgivable

                        So you are now confirming that you are a simple copyist from the manual?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        You started talking about shortcomings only after I refuted your statements about the USSR

                        I wrote that the USSR had shortcomings in completely different areas, and not in those discussed, in response to your pearl, that I idolize the times of the USSR and see everything through rose-colored glasses, nothing more.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Well, why - I know the topic of our discussion very well.

                        Oh really. And where did you get your knowledge from?
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                        April 2 2020 00: 18
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Loser, you will finally learn to quote your opponent, otherwise you are constantly merging into one bucket everything you have ever read somewhere, without reflecting who exactly wrote it.

                        As you wish, comrade powerful old man - if your senile mind can withstand such an influx of text, then please! I don’t feel sorry for anything for you - not a spoonful of crap! laughing

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        And who should the mineral resources belong to, shouldn’t it be the people?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Then you will read Lenin’s works, not the manual. State monopoly meant only the elimination of private ownership of mineral resources and means of production,

                        Not one, but two. And how many times have I referred to the Yeltsin Constitution - give me a quote
                        this!

                        Quote: Nameless
                        I tell you again - I don’t care what populist is written in the Soviet constitution of the Stalin or Brezhnev model. The communists could write whatever they wanted in it and hide behind whatever “popular” slogans and chants they wanted - the paper would tolerate anything.

                        It’s not just that I said that I don’t care about Soviet constitutions, did you think that I was referring to the Yeltsin Constitution? Indeed, we heard a ringing - but you don’t know where it is. You are simply wishful thinking.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        By the way, the mineral resources belonged to the people not only in the Stalinist constitution, but also in later ones, right up to Brezhnev’s, and it was in Gorbachev’s draft.

                        I know this without you - I wrote about it myself:
                        Quote: Nameless
                        I tell you again - I don’t care what populist is written in the Soviet constitution of the Stalin or Brezhnev model. The communists could write whatever they wanted in it and hide behind whatever “popular” slogans and chants they wanted - the paper would tolerate anything.


                        Quote: E_V_N
                        I haven’t seen any questions in your lengthy posts for a long time, just long-winded verbiage. It’s hard to find anything resembling a human thought in a paragraph, and I’m trying not to answer.

                        You yourself reduced our conversation to personalities and attempts to discredit me as a participant in the discussion - why are you whining now?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        What "reliable" information did you provide? Do not make me laugh. Do you think some figures taken out of thin air, without reference to the source of information, can be considered a refutation? Without indicating the source, it is impossible to verify their accuracy, and to take a half-educated person at his word is not to respect yourself.

                        Why, in this case, should I and other people treat your words about the USSR as the broad truth? Unlike me, you yourself didn’t even provide one link, while I’ve already provided you with about 3-4 - and you’re also trying to reproach me for something else. In addition, with your bias, any link and information will be unreliable for you.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        How do you know perfectly well about a time in which you did not live? Are you delusional again?

                        How can you know and judge about the Russian Empire? About foreign countries that you have never been to because of the Iron Curtain (maximum - Bulgaria or the GDR)? What right do you yourself have to judge everything in this world that you yourself haven’t seen or heard?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Well, you didn’t live in the USSR, and you know about that life only from liberal articles and your manual. Or will you prove that you lived? Are you sure that you have authority?

                        Oooh let's talk about thieves for authority laughing And you yourself have one - probably such that in order to notice it you will need a Hubble telescope!

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Yes, I’m not a supporter of any government at all, I just don’t like the lies of people who write.

                        If we weren’t a supporter of the Soviet regime, we wouldn’t be whining here about the USSR. Regarding lying: has your conscience tormented you in your old age? Have you admitted that you are engaged in propaganda here?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        I cited data and events from my life, it really happened and you are in vain trying to prove to me that it did not happen.

                        "I swear to my mother!" - Yes? laughing

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        So you are now confirming that you are a simple copyist from the manual?

                        Whoever is in pain is the one who talks about it, right? In my understanding, correspondence is when several people write messages to each other. In yours, this is invariably a rewrite from the manual... so you got caught!

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Oh really. And where did you get your knowledge from?

                        Like you - life experience laughing
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                        April 2 2020 23: 49
                        Quote: Nameless
                        if your senile mind can handle such an influx of text

                        My senile mind can withstand your opuses for quite a long time, so don’t worry.
                        Quote: Nameless

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        And who should the mineral resources belong to, shouldn’t it be the people?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Then you will read Lenin’s works, not the manual. State monopoly meant only the elimination of private ownership of mineral resources and means of production,

                        Not one, but two. And how many times have I referred to the Yeltsin Constitution - give me a quote
                        this!

                        And where, in this case, did you see the reference to the constitution in the mention of subsoil rights? Did you draw a conclusion from the fact that the rights were spelled out in the constitution?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Quote: Nameless
                        I tell you again - I don’t care what populist is written in the Soviet constitution of the Stalin or Brezhnev model. The communists could write whatever they wanted in it and hide behind whatever “popular” slogans and chants they wanted - the paper would tolerate anything.

                        That is, in your opinion, populism and popular slogans are written in Soviet constitutions.
                        But in the Yeltsin system, according to which we now live and not to rewrite, but to correct, which Putin wants, everything is to the point and it is strictly implemented?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        I haven’t seen any questions in your lengthy posts for a long time, just long-winded verbiage. It’s hard to find anything resembling a human thought in a paragraph, and I’m trying not to answer.

                        You yourself reduced our conversation to personalities and attempts to discredit me as a participant in the discussion - why are you whining now?

                        Where did you see the transition to your personality in the above quote? Well, if you have a way of writing lengthy paragraphs in which it is difficult to find a question or an answer, what does that have to do with me?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Why, in this case, should I and other people treat your words about the USSR as the broad truth? Unlike me, you yourself didn’t even provide one link, while I’ve already provided you with about 3-4 - and you’re also trying to reproach me for something else.

                        Well, what kind of Ukrainian bad manners? You provided 2 links, one to GOST on sausage, the other to an article from a magazine from the 50s, the rest of your figures were without links.
                        What links do you need from my personal life? Are you kidding me? You write about the time in which I lived, I object to you as a witness of events, it’s up to you how to react to it. You didn’t live in the USSR in 1980, why do you think your opinion is true?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        How can you know and judge about the Russian Empire? About foreign countries that you have never been to because of the Iron Curtain (maximum - Bulgaria or the GDR)?

                        I can judge, but I don’t know for sure. If a resident of the Russian Empire objects to me, I will listen to his words. Where did you get the idea that I haven’t been anywhere? You don’t know anything about me, but you make such serious statements, and such blunders characterize you as an opponent. In the USSR, it was possible to travel with vouchers not only to the GDR and Bulgaria; watch the film “The Diamond Arm”. USSR specialists traveled to construction sites in many countries on all continents.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Oooh let's talk about thieves for authority

                        Have you served a lot of time? What draws you to thieves? This was a response to your words that I undermine your authority. By the way, immediately compare your approach with my words about the copyist, that is, you can misunderstand, but I can’t? However, it is biased.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        They wouldn’t be whining about the USSR here. Regarding lying: has your conscience tormented you in your old age? Have you admitted that you are engaged in propaganda here?

                        I’m not whining about the USSR, I’m telling you what I saw with my own eyes, and didn’t read in articles. You didn’t catch me lying, so your attack missed the mark.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Like you - life experience

                        Well, mine will be richer. Do you have any experience of life in the USSR, or would you object?
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                        April 3 2020 00: 49
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        My senile mind can withstand your opuses for quite a long time, so don’t worry.

                        Yes, for so long that you have already diverted the conversation towards personalities with your “dropouts”, “victims of the Unified State Exam” and “failing students”.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        And where, in this case, did you see the reference to the constitution in the mention of subsoil rights? Did you draw a conclusion from the fact that the rights were spelled out in the constitution?

                        Yes, I concluded that you are referring to the Soviet constitution on the basis that the rights to subsoil were spelled out there. In a bad case, when did you decide that they should belong to the people? Conclusion: you referred to what you had read and learned earlier from the Soviet constitution. I'm right?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        That is, in your opinion, populism and popular slogans are written in Soviet constitutions.
                        But in the Yeltsin system, according to which we now live and not to rewrite, but to correct, which Putin wants, everything is to the point and it is strictly implemented?

                        In my understanding, the people are a crowd that remains a crowd exactly until the moment a leader appears in it. Therefore, all attempts to designate what the party functionaries disposed of as “people’s” - even if you go and cut wood in a “people’s” reserve and no one will punish you for it - for me is populist. If they had written “state” in the constitution, then I had no complaints about it.
                        Since Vladimir Vladimirovich decided to correct the constitution, it means that not everything was so good in it. The amendments he proposed correct a number of shortcomings of the Yeltsin Constitution.
                        Maybe not strictly, but in general it is done. Do you have any evidence that this is not being done?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Where did you see the transition to your personality in the above quote? Well, if you have a way of writing lengthy paragraphs in which it is difficult to find a question or an answer, what does that have to do with me?

                        Specifically in that quote there is no transition - it was much earlier and began with the fact that you began to discuss my personality in terms of the fact that I was a poor student, a victim of the Unified State Exam, etc.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Well, what kind of Ukrainian bad manners? You provided 2 links, one to GOST on sausage, the other to an article from a magazine from the 50s, the rest of your figures were without links.

                        In general, if we take into account not only you, then in this comment thread I have already given 6 (!) links to different people. You forgot to mention the link I gave you about artificial eggs. I received absolutely no links from you.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Well, what kind of Ukrainian bad manners?

                        Is this something from your culture?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        What links do you need from my personal life? Are you kidding me? You write about the time in which I lived, I object to you as a witness of events, it’s up to you how to react to it. You didn’t live in the USSR in 1980, why do you think your opinion is true?

                        Well, how can you then confirm the truth of your statements? In general, you can tell anything about yourself - that at least you are the heir of royal blood - and why should I take you at your word?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        I can judge, but I don’t know for sure. If a resident of the Russian Empire objects to me, I will listen to his words. Where did you get the idea that I haven’t been anywhere? You don’t know anything about me, but you make such serious statements, and it’s blunders like these that characterize you as an opponent

                        Well, what's the problem then? That means I can also judge the USSR - even though I may not know anything about it reliably. This is as much my right as yours.
                        Do you really know that much about me?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        In the USSR, it was possible to travel with vouchers not only to the GDR and Bulgaria; watch the film “The Diamond Arm”. USSR specialists traveled to construction sites in many countries on all continents.

                        For an ordinary citizen, the socialist GDR and Bulgaria were the limit of where one could go - they were not allowed into capitalist countries. Yes, specialists could be sent there on business trips - here I agree with you, but with one caveat: specialists are a minority.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Have you served a lot of time? What draws you to thieves? This was a response to your words that I undermine your authority. By the way, immediately compare your approach with my words about the copyist, that is, you can misunderstand, but I can’t? However, it is biased.

                        The tone you wrote in is how I perceived it. You need to look in the mirror more often - then maybe you’ll understand why I perceived you this way.
                        I didn’t forbid you from making mistakes - I just pointed out to you that you yourself have a stigma.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        I’m not whining about the USSR, I’m telling you what I saw with my own eyes, and didn’t read in articles. You didn’t catch me lying, so your attack missed the mark.

                        You say you didn’t catch me lying? And what was this:
                        Quote: E_V_N

                        The United States recognized the USSR economy as second only to itself, did they also lie? For 30 years, the economy after the USSR has been torn apart and cannot be finished off in any way, isn’t this strength?
                        Well, who exploited whom in the USSR? Who was the employer? Who owned the plants and factories, collective farms and state farms?
                        So socialism, compared to capitalism, is of course advanced, but they will never write about this in your manual.
                        The standard of living in the USSR was not at all lower than the European one; there is no comparison with the current ratio.
                        There was crime, but the modern crime level is an order of magnitude higher.
                        The products were of high quality, made from natural meat, flour and butter. There was nothing genetically modified, soy instead of meat, palm oil instead of cow oil.
                        Education was all free, from school to higher education; there was no paid education in any form.
                        Medicine was free, no one carried medicine to the hospital and there were no queues for operations.
                        Workers received apartments free of charge for 10 - 15 years of work. Those without housing were provided with a hostel. You will be surprised, but the communal fee for a 3-room apartment was 15 rubles with all consumables, with a salary of 250-300 rubles.



                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Well, mine will be richer. Do you have any experience of life in the USSR, or would you object?

                        How was experience measured? And in what units of measurement? Share your experience of measuring experience, so to speak. laughing
                        Are you suggesting that I do phalometry with you? laughing
                      5. -1
                        April 2 2020 00: 18
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        I don’t draw any myths about the USSR, I don’t advocate for anything, I’m just talking about what I saw with my own eyes, what events I took part in, how I lived during the times of the USSR.

                        Yes? How about this:
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        The United States recognized the USSR economy as second only to itself, did they also lie? For 30 years, the economy after the USSR has been torn apart and cannot be finished off in any way, isn’t this strength?
                        Well, who exploited whom in the USSR? Who was the employer? Who owned the plants and factories, collective farms and state farms?
                        So socialism, compared to capitalism, is of course advanced, but they will never write about this in your manual.
                        The standard of living in the USSR was not at all lower than the European one; there is no comparison with the current ratio.
                        There was crime, but the modern crime level is an order of magnitude higher.
                        The products were of high quality, made from natural meat, flour and butter. There was nothing genetically modified, soy instead of meat, palm oil instead of cow oil.
                        Education was all free, from school to higher education; there was no paid education in any form.
                        Medicine was free, no one carried medicine to the hospital and there were no queues for operations.
                        Workers received apartments free of charge for 10 - 15 years of work. Those without housing were provided with a hostel. You will be surprised, but the communal fee for a 3-room apartment was 15 rubles with all consumables, with a salary of 250-300 rubles.

                        ... classics of the genre! So you still have the manual, not me.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        The quote where I wrote that Putin is to blame for everything and everything is lost? You constantly write here that you were misunderstood, you didn’t write this, you just made a mistake in a hurry. But you yourself constantly attribute to others what they did not say.

                        Themselves asked for
                        Quote: E_V_N

                        Correctly, condemning Yeltsin will learn that his successor is not a saint.

                        Quote: E_V_N

                        This is what is so interesting fellow? Well, yes, at high prices for oil and gas you can look like a sort of master patron. just look.
                        Only at the very beginning of his rule did Putin immediately show his complete incompetence in the economy and a lack of understanding of the consequences of his decisions.
                        Example? You are welcome. The collapse of medicine began with the "master's" "broad gesture" when he visited the district Moscow clinic. (Broadcast widely on TV) after seeing long queues to see a doctor. Remember Putin ordered to double the salaries of therapists? Therapists have been promoted, but the therapist and specialist nurses have not. Here it began, you are a therapist twice as much, so treat everyone yourself. An absolute mess began in the clinics.
                        Then this idea to the teacher is the average salary in the region, to the professor two average salaries in the region.
                        As a result, all salaries were completely divorced from real labor achievements across the country. The officials began to grow at a frantic pace, all the rest fell. The average salary in Moscow turned out to be twice as high as in any Chelyabinsk, that is, a doctor receives at least twice as much for an appendicitis operation in Moscow as a doctor in Chelyabinsk. The question is, what do people in Chelyabinsk have anatomically simpler structure? Or is it more difficult for a teacher in Moscow to teach a first-grader than in Chelyabinsk?
                        Everyone is now climbing into Moscow, the regions are emptying, industry is stagnating.
                        So, dear Alex, the impoverishment and collapse of industry, education and medicine is a direct consequence of Putin’s ill-conceived decisions of the early 2000s. It’s just that after 2012, oil prices fell and the system’s safety margin ended

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        The problem is that anyone other than Russia benefited from the policies of Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Putin. They only know how to write off debts and give out new bad loans. 3 billion to Ukraine, a gas pipeline and a Turkish power station, a gas pipeline to China over the past 5 years

                        Quote: E_V_N

                        Not everything was lost, but a lot was lost, the main thing was lost time and a lot of opportunities. And the saddest thing is that 20 years in power have shown that there are no prospects for improvement.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        You know, Yeltsin has been in the grave for a long time, and Putin has been in power for 20 years, planning to overtake Stalin through “galley slavery.”
                        It’s just that the same Khrushchev, whom you blamed here, left behind “Khrushchevka” housing, which is not so great, but 30-40% of the population of Russia still live in it, and he was in power for only 10 years. What will Putin leave behind?

                        It's enough? I made only one mistake - I accidentally wrote another city instead of the bottom one. Where else have I written something like this? Don’t you think that when does it seem necessary to be baptized?
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                        April 2 2020 23: 54
                        Quote: Nameless
                        It's enough? I made only one mistake - I accidentally wrote another city instead of the bottom one. Where else have I written something like this? Don’t you think that when does it seem necessary to be baptized?

                        You know, young man, you are now going to shout that you didn’t say such a thing, but in your opinion it turns out that Putin is a saint and his actions cannot be criticized and there cannot be any other opinion about him than a good one.
                      7. -1
                        April 2 2020 23: 58
                        Still, I was right about you.
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                  28 March 2020 01: 42
                  Well, it’s clear that the owners of the factories became people - really, there’s no need to generalize everything so much. Your directors and people's commissars were close to the party - and even its members.

                  The end of the 70s is the years from 76 to 79. You should turn on your brain - but I’m afraid that your switch for this “meat” thing has been torn out.

                  It’s one thing to go away to study, and another thing to leave the collective farm and move to a city for permanent residence.

                  And how does it come from my refutation of your assertion that in Soviet times there were no marginalized people that I claim that today’s marginalized people are entirely cultured and educated people?

                  I don’t know what statistics from the Ministry of Internal Affairs you looked at, but I found the following data from the Investigative Committee: “10603 murders and attempted murders were registered, and 8781 were solved, that is, 82,8%.” - i.e. This is not your 40% undisclosed, but 18% - slightly more than in the USSR. 40% is data for 2006 year. Are you doing fraud again?

                  I’m saying that one of the symptoms of schizophrenia is when a person claims that if he didn’t see or hear something. If you haven’t experienced something yourself, it’s as if it doesn’t really exist in this world. This, if anything, is in response to your answer about “prosperous areas”.

                  No, you deliberately extol the USSR as a materialized Utopia, absolutely devoid of any shortcomings and vices of society. You talk only about the good (and sometimes you lie) - deliberately keeping silent about the negative. Moreover, you are doing this for obvious propaganda purposes - to denigrate the current country against the background and with the help of fairy tales about the “socialist Paradise”.

                  Yes, look at any non-fiction film from the perestroika era - at least “Igloo” with Viktor Robertovich Tsoi in the lead roles, “Cargo 200”. Filmed before the 90s - but everything is the same as in those days - except that the socialist gloss still remains.

                  The question is not what the films I previously mentioned were about, but about how their authors, if, according to your statement, in the USSR there was no crime, like sex, or there was almost no such thing that everyone believed that it did not exist - how could the authors of these works know what crime and criminals look like, their culture, way of life and “concepts”. After all, even if “Gentlemen of Fortune” is a good film, in one of the scenes when the main character was kicked in his cell with the words “don’t you think your place is near the bucket” - how could the authors know that they say that about prison homosexuals? How could such a phrase from the 90s end up in the 80s?

                  And in modern Russia, budgetary forms of education and medicine exist and will continue to exist. I’ve been hearing nonsense about paid medicine and education since 2004 - but for some reason the children in the neighboring secondary school studied “on a budget” - and they still study. Just like the students I know studied “for free,” that’s how they study. It’s the same with medicine - it’s just that many doctors have opened private clinics, and you don’t make any difference between them and the state ones. Housing, yes, is a market. But the advantage here is the incomparable quality of the apartments compared to Khrushchev-era apartments - and the opportunity to take ownership of the living space - when it is yours and not the state property. They are no longer building cheap panel high-rise buildings with cramped apartments, but very decent houses with all amenities - and in Soviet times, I think any party functionary would have considered it an honor to live in such a house.

                  This means that at first you yourself reproached me for making a mistake in my report about the landing of the Entente in Russia - they say, how uneducated one must be to blurt out such a thing. This means that you yourself first stated one thing - and now you are trying to pretend that you meant something completely different, and all the blame is on me because... I misunderstood you! Well, this is just the peak of rudeness and impudence! Total:
                  - You were noticed in attempts to forgery
                  - In attempts to attribute to me what you claimed and not me
                  - In constant attempts to make me look like an incompetent person
                  ...you've been caught. I let you draw your own conclusions about who you are.

                  I mean that you denied the possibility of the state confiscating an apartment from those whom it graciously “allowed to move in” - the question about “confiscation of an apartment according to the law in favor of...” could have been a refutation of your denial of such a possibility itself or an unlikely possibility. Again, you paid attention only to this part of the question - about the seizure, but you kept silent and did not give an answer about the renewal of the housing stock.

                  I'm talking about Vasil - you're talking about Erema: I'm talking about the fact that the period for which the state allowed tenants to move into his apartment depended on whether they would do something illegal or whether they would not demolish the old housing and build a new one in its place. As an answer to this, you are trying to tell me that I am asserting that confiscation is XNUMX% in case of any criminal liability, and when updating the housing stock, tenants after eviction will not have the right to new housing. Again, you are trying to attribute to me something that I did not write or claim. Moreover, you constantly strive to slide somewhere away from the issue under discussion.
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                    April 1 2020 17: 10
                    Quote: Nameless
                    The end of the 70s is the years from 76 to 79. You should turn on your brain - but I’m afraid that your switch for this “meat” thing has been torn out.

                    Year Average salary
                    1960 73.1
                    1961 77.1
                    1962 80.9
                    1963 82.4
                    1964 86
                    1965 92.5
                    1966 97.2
                    1967 102.5
                    1968 110.9
                    1969 115.6
                    1970 121.2
                    1971 125.6
                    1972 130.4
                    1973 136.2
                    1974 143.2
                    1975 148.7
                    1976 154.2
                    1977 159.1
                    1978 164.4
                    1979 168.4

                    1980 174
                    1981 178.3
                    1982 184
                    1983 188.3
                    1984 193.2
                    1985 199.2
                    1986 206.1
                    1987 214.4
                    1988 233.2
                    1989 263
                    1990 303
                    Especially for you, I present an extract of the average salary in the USSR by year, highlighting the period “late seventies”. As you can see, it’s not 120 rubles at all. But this is average, and I worked at a military plant, in a hot shop, after graduating from college. So I was getting almost twice as much.

                    Quote: Nameless
                    but I found the following data from the Investigative Committee: “10603 murders and attempted murders were registered, and 8781 were solved.”

                    Where does the data come from, for what period, what region. Otherwise, these are meaningless numbers, since it is impossible to verify them. And this is what you call an argument?
                    Quote: Nameless
                    You talk only about the good (and sometimes you lie) - deliberately keeping silent about the negative.

                    I don’t have the habit of lying at all, much less deliberately lying. I’m not talking “only about good things,” I’m refuting your misconceptions or deliberate lies. If we really discussed the USSR, and you were interested and competent in this, you would learn a lot of interesting things about the negative.
                    Quote: Nameless
                    when the main character was kicked in his cell with the words “don’t you think your place is near the bucket” - how could the authors know that they say this about prison homosexuals? How could such a phrase from the 90s end up in the 80s?

                    I don’t know, I personally learned the word “parasha” from this film.
                    Quote: Nameless
                    Just like the students I know studied “for free,” that’s how they study.

                    Where did I say that there are no budget places in universities? Quote please. I said that for poor students who cannot enroll on a budget, they have come up with paid places, essentially selling diplomas for money.
                    Quote: Nameless
                    But the advantage here is the incomparable quality of the apartments compared to Khrushchev-era apartments - and the opportunity to take ownership of the living space - when it is yours and not the state property.

                    Well, the quality of new buildings is a highly debatable issue. But I must note that home ownership has greatly increased the possibility of its seizure and loss of your property, from black realtors, to seizure for debts, including utility bills.
                    Quote: Nameless
                    it graciously “allowed you to move in” - the question about “seizure of the apartment according to the law in favor of...” could have been a refutation of your denial of such a possibility itself or an unlikely possibility. Again, you paid attention only to this part of the question - about the seizure, but you kept silent and did not give an answer about the renewal of the housing stock.

                    Don’t lie, I didn’t say about the impossibility of seizure, I spoke about the improbability of the seizure itself. In practice, seizures were extremely rare. Can you provide statistics to the contrary?
                    I didn’t keep silent about the “renewal of the fund”. I said that in the USSR it was a blessing to be demolished, since the residents received new apartments, and if several families lived together (parents, married children, married grandchildren), then each family received a separate apartment. But for some reason it didn’t stick in your head.
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                      April 2 2020 00: 33
                      I’ll write about this later - it’s time to go to bed. The night has risen.
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                      April 2 2020 00: 51
                      Do you even understand what you wrote the answer to about “the average salary in the late 70s”? No? Well, I'll show you the whole course of events:
                      Quote: Nameless
                      On the contrary, through surplus appropriation and an artificially created famine, they were forced into collective farms, forced to work not for money, but for workdays, and were not issued passports. until the end of the 70s

                      Quote: E_V_N
                      Loser, finally read the arithmetic, the end of the 70s is almost 80, are you really writing that passports were not issued in the villages until 1980? Yes, and before they issued permits to leave for study and to live with children.

                      Quote: Nameless
                      The end of the 70s is the years from 76 to 79. You should turn on your brain - but I’m afraid that your switch for this “meat” thing has been torn out.

                      Quote: E_V_N

                      Year Average salary
                      1960 73.1
                      1961 77.1
                      1962 80.9
                      1963 82.4
                      1964 86
                      1965 92.5
                      1966 97.2
                      1967 102.5
                      1968 110.9
                      1969 115.6
                      1970 121.2
                      1971 125.6
                      1972 130.4
                      1973 136.2
                      1974 143.2
                      1975 148.7
                      1976 154.2
                      1977 159.1
                      1978 164.4
                      1979 168.4
                      1980 174
                      1981 178.3
                      1982 184
                      1983 188.3
                      1984 193.2
                      1985 199.2
                      1986 206.1
                      1987 214.4
                      1988 233.2
                      1989 263
                      1990 303
                      Especially for you, I present an extract of the average salary in the USSR by year, highlighting the period “late seventies”. As you can see, it’s not 120 rubles at all. But this is average, and I worked at a military plant, in a hot shop, after graduating from college. So I was getting almost twice as much.

                      What does it mean? So we were talking to you about Ilyich’s lies - I put in a good word for the collective farmers who were not issued passports until the end of the 70s. To this you wrote that “the end of the 70s is almost 80, you actually write that passports were not issued in the villages until 1980,” I responded to you with “The end of the 70s is the years from 76 to 79.” And after that you began to give me the average salary in the USSR for the end of the 70s as an attempt to refute my statement that the average salary was 120 rubles! You reproached me with semantic and logical errors out of the blue - but my own balls don’t go past the rollers! This is already a blatant and blatant attempt at fraud on your part. I'm having a dialogue with a swindler!

                      In addition, he spoke about 120-150 rubles:
                      Quote: Nameless
                      You would also provide me with retouched drawings from the “Book of Tasty and Healthy Food” - or even staged photographs from newspapers - as evidence of the supposedly high standard of living in the USSR. Let's do some simple arithmetic: no matter what you say about a salary of 250-300 rubles, the majority still received 120-150.

                      Which exactly makes up your range of years from 70 to almost (if you discard 9 rubles) 77. That is, your forgery hit you painfully on the forehead with a rake. laughing After all, he said the truth about the average salary in the USSR in the range of about 120-150 rubles - and you yourself indicated the range of dates when this was (just the years of Brezhnev’s stability, and not the Gorbachev collapse). the food once again brought a pan for itself - bingo! laughing
                      1. -1
                        April 3 2020 00: 33
                        Quote: Nameless
                        What does it mean? So we were talking to you about Ilyich’s lies - I put in a good word for the collective farmers who were not issued passports until the end of the 70s. To this you wrote that “the end of the 70s is almost 80, you actually write that passports were not issued in the villages until 1980,” I responded to you with “The end of the 70s is the years from 76 to 79.” And after that you began to give me the average salary in the USSR for the end of the 70s as an attempt to refute my statement that the average salary was 120 rubles! You reproached me with semantic and logical errors out of the blue - but my own balls don’t go past the rollers! This is already a blatant and blatant attempt at fraud on your part. I'm having a dialogue with a swindler!

                        Firstly, you spoke several times about a salary of 120 rubles, tomorrow I will provide links.
                        Secondly, only 120 150 falls into the 1975-148,7 range, in 1976 it is already 154,2, higher than your range.
                        Quote from Wiki
                        “According to the regulation of the Council of Ministers of the USSR dated October 21, 1953 “On Passports,” the list of localities where citizens were required to have passports was somewhat expanded. In addition to cities, regional centers and urban-type settlements, passports were introduced for workers and employees living in rural areas, including state farm workers. The rural population began to receive passports only in 1974"
                        As you can see, and here you lied, since 1974 all residents of the USSR received passports. and since 1953, “the list of localities where citizens were required to have passports has been expanded. In addition to cities, regional centers and urban settlements, passports were introduced for workers and employees living in rural areas, including state farm workers.“So some rural residents have received passports since 1953, although formally you wrote collective farmers. And now you will claim that you meant members of collective farms, and not village residents.
                        But this is still not the end of the seventies.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Which is exactly your range of years from 70 to almost (if you discard 9 rubles) 77. That is, your forgery hit you painfully on the forehead with a rake. After all, he said the truth about the average salary in the USSR in the range of about 120-150 rubles - and you yourself indicated the range of dates when this was (just the years of Brezhnev’s stability, and not the Gorbachev collapse).

                        Did you write this in all seriousness? We read carefully what you wrote.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Would you like me more as evidence of the supposedly high standard of living in the USSR They would have brought retouched drawings from the “Book of Tasty and Healthy Food” - or even staged photographs from newspapers. Let's do some simple arithmetic: no matter what you say about a salary of 250-300 rubles - the majority still received 120-150.

                        From your text it follows that during the entire existence of the USSR, the average salary did not rise above 150 rubles. But in fact, it exceeded 150 rubles in 1976.
                        Now you, as an honest person, must either prove that the USSR collapsed in 1975, or admit that you were wrong, since by the time of the collapse the average salary had risen to 303 rubles in 1990. Just don’t try to get out about the date range from 1975-1979, I highlighted to you that already in this range the average exceeded 120-150, you generally talked about the entire period of the existence of the USSR.
                        So Bingo is just for you.
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                        April 3 2020 01: 24
                        Initially, yes, I only spoke about 120 rubles. After you mentioned what year I mean, I introduced a range from 120 to 150 rubles. I added the 76th and 77th with the caveat that they can also be counted if we discard 4 and 9 rubles.

                        And you look carefully about whom I was talking about: about your state farmers and villagers (again trying to wishful thinking) or about your collective farmers? I spoke for the collective farmers. Why did you drag in state farm workers and rural residents? As a pathetic attempt to attribute them to collective farmers and thus refute my statement that collective farmers began to receive passports en masse in the late 70s (i.e. from 76 to 79)? What a rogue you are!

                        Where did I say that 120-150 rubles were the average salary during the entire period of the existence of the USSR? Are you raving like an old man again?
                        I actually said that the salaries were very different, that some received less and some received more than the specified amount, that in general 120-(150) rubles could be considered the average salary. And even more so, I never denied that salaries could grow and varied in different years of the existence of the USSR. You are again attributing to me something that I did not write.
                      3. -1
                        April 3 2020 14: 12
                        What happened now? Was this really written by you?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Initially, yes, I only spoke about 120 rubles.

                        That is, there is recognition, there is no need to present citations? Recognized?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        After you mentioned what year I mean, I introduced the range from 120 to 150 rubles. I added the 76th and 77th with the caveat that they can also be counted if we discard 4 and 9 rubles.

                        I didn’t say anything, but asked when I was convinced that you were constantly distorting and manipulating numbers.
                        You yourself voiced the range 1976-1979, and throwing away 4 and 9 rubles is pulling an owl onto the globe. Let's not get out of it, you got into the milk again with your numbers, don't be upset, you're not used to it.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        I spoke for the collective farmers. Why did you drag in state farm workers and rural residents? As a pathetic attempt to attribute them to collective farmers and thus refute my statement that collective farmers began to receive passports en masse in the late 70s (i.e. from 76 to 79)?

                        Firstly, do you know how a state farm differed from a collective farm?
                        Secondly, from your speeches it was not clear that you meant village residents or just collective farmers. I am sure that for you there is no difference between these concepts.
                        Well, that's the main thing.
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Since 1974, all residents of the USSR received passports
                        that is, residents of collective farms received passports in 1974, and not as you persistently write about the end of the 70s (i.e. from 76 to 79). Or does 1974 fall within the 1976 to 1979 range for you?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Where did I say that 120-150 rubles were the average salary during the entire period of the existence of the USSR?

                        Well, I gave you your own quote, where you wrote the USSR and 120-150. and highlighted in bold. Once is not enough??
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Would you give me some more evidence of the supposedly high standard of living in the USSR? They would have brought retouched drawings from the “Book of Tasty and Healthy Food” - or even staged photographs from newspapers. Let's do some simple arithmetic: no matter what you say about a salary of 250-300 rubles - the majority still received 120-150.

                        Re-read what you wrote again if you didn’t understand what you wrote the first time. Note no dates, only USSR and 120-150.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        I actually said that the salaries were very different, that some received less and some more than the specified amount, that in general 120-(150) rubles could be considered the average salary.

                        So I gave you a table of average salaries in the USSR by year, exactly average.
                        Well, let's get out of this further. Weak people are always afraid to admit their mistakes.
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                        April 3 2020 23: 27
                        What was actually written? That by average salary I initially meant 120 rubles, and when you started to worry because you couldn’t understand what year I meant, I had to keep the range at 120-150 rubles?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        that you are constantly distorting and manipulating numbers.

                        Proofs to the studio! For now, it is you who are engaged in forgery, attributing to me either something that I did not write or something that you wrote.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        You yourself voiced the range 1976-1979, and throwing away 4 and 9 rubles is pulling an owl onto the globe

                        Yes, you are completely crazy! The range of 76-79 years is the approximate range of years when collective farmers began to be given passports en masse and released into the city. What does this have to do with the discussion about salaries? Here's your next forgery!
                        No, this is not a stretch - a stretch is when you allegedly presented your young life in the USSR (i.e., as a “special case”) as the general picture of life in the USSR (as a “universal phenomenon”). I proposed a small assumption that the periods of ’76 and ’77 could also be included in the range, provided that the “extra” rubles were discarded.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Firstly, do you know how a state farm differed from a collective farm?
                        Secondly, from your speeches it was not clear that you meant village residents or just collective farmers. I am sure that for you there is no difference between these concepts.

                        Of course, I know - These are different organizational and legal forms. A state farm, or Soviet economy, is a state enterprise, organized by the state, which received from it a chairman, means of production and wages for workers. A collective farm, or collective farm, is an association of many farms that were previously private, and the former owners remain in this collective farm, only, of course, the property becomes common. The chairman is conditionally chosen (in fact, he is also appointed). Simply put, a state farm is a state agricultural enterprise, and collective farms were cooperative associations of peasants, created at the expense of the peasants themselves.
                        When I say “collective farmers”, I mean “collective farmers” and no one else. There is no need to invent and think things out for me.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        that is, residents of collective farms received passports in 1974, and not as you persistently write about the end of the 70s (i.e. from 76 to 79). Or does 1974 fall within the 1976 to 1979 range for you?

                        On August 28, 1974, Resolution No. 677 was issued by the Council of Ministers of the USSR on the mandatory introduction of passports for all citizens of the USSR from the age of 16. That is, all adult residents of villages and hamlets were now required to have a passport. At the beginning of 1976, the mass issuance of passports to collective farmers began. Which lasted six years.
                        So which of us is lying, claiming that it was in 1974? ALL residents of the USSR received passports:
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Since 1974, all residents of the USSR received passports



                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Well, I gave you your own quote, where you wrote the USSR and 120-150. and highlighted in bold. Once is not enough??

                        I say again: where in my quote is it written what I say? about the entire period of existence of the USSR - there we were talking only about the abstract average salary, and not about linking it to a certain period or year of the existence of the USSR. Stop raving and drinking cognac in the morning!

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Re-read what you wrote again if you didn’t understand what you wrote the first time. Note no dates, only USSR and 120-150.

                        How could you cross a snake with a rhinoceros - in the sense of combining “Would you like me as evidence of the supposedly high standard of living in the USSR” and “the majority still received 120-150”? Using these two phrases, how were you able to determine the period about which I supposedly, in your opinion, spoke about the level of wages in it? You should be shown at a symposium of British scientists! Women's logic, compared to yours, is an example of genius and an extremely extraordinary mind!

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        So I gave you a table of average salaries in the USSR by year, namely average ones.
                        Well, let's get out of this further. Weak people are always afraid to admit their mistakes.

                        Well, smart girl, I brought a table of the average salary - well done, take the pie from the shelf! And where did I deny that this is not a table of average salaries? What about my quote? so this quote was about the fact that since the average salary is 120-150 rubles, that is, salaries are both below average and above. But you again decided that you were the smartest and tried to cite this quote as proof that I deny that your table is a table of average salaries.
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                        April 8 2020 11: 30
                        Quote: Nameless
                        A state farm, or Soviet economy, is a state enterprise, organized by the state, which received a chairman from it

                        Firstly, not the chairman, but the director of the state farm.
                        Secondly, it was not the “receiver” but the director who was appointed.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        The chairman is conditionally chosen (in fact, he is also appointed).

                        What does it mean that a chairman is appointed? Elections were compulsory and without a majority vote the chairman could not be imposed. Another question is that some didn’t care who was in charge, but this is not a question for the system, but for a specific team.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        At the beginning of 1976, the mass issuance of passports to collective farmers began. Which lasted six years.

                        Where is the quote from? out of your head?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        where in my quote it is written that I am talking about the entire period of the existence of the USSR

                        In general, according to even the most perverse logic, simply writing the USSR means the entire period of its existence, but if they want to highlight a specific range, they name specific dates.
                        You simply wrote the USSR, so there is no need to fuss about it. I understand that you considered yourself very smart and in your class no one could argue with you, but this is not a school, there are serious people here, no match for you.
                        5 people have already written to you in this chat that you are lying and talking nonsense, but you just won’t stop talking about some kind of respect for you.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        supposedly high standard of living in the USSR" and "the majority still received 120-150"? How, using these two phrases, were you able to determine the period about which I supposedly, in your opinion, spoke about the level of wages in it?

                        Well, what did you say in this phrase?? These are not two different phrases, this is one paragraph and both sentences are an expression of your thoughts.
                        I ask again, what idea were you trying to express in this phrase, if not about the standard of living and salary?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        What about my quote? so this quote was about the fact that since the average salary is 120-150 rubles, that is, salaries are both below average and above. But you again decided that you were the smartest and tried to cite this quote as proof that I deny that your table is a table of average salaries.

                        Firstly, not in my supposed quotation, but in your quotation, that is, the text written by you is given.
                        Secondly. The average salary just means that there are salaries both above and below the average. There is no need to pretend to be a fool who does not understand. the point is that first you said that in the USSR the salary was 120, then that from 1876-1979 the salary was 120-150, when he gave you a table showing that the average salary was higher than your upper range, you started .... let's discard 4 and 9 and round them to fit your number, but there are also 14, 5 and 18,5 more, let's round them up to 150 too? When you are once again poked with your nose at what you have written, you try to slip away that you do not deny that the given table is a table of average salaries. That's what it has to do with it. You specifically lied about the average salary in the USSR, and even the upper range of 150 did not correspond to reality, and your liberal manual let you down.
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                        April 10 2020 00: 16
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Where is the quote from? out of your head?

                        http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2002/093/arxiv01.php

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        5 people have already written to you in this chat that you are lying and talking nonsense, but you just won’t stop talking about some kind of respect for you.

                        But they themselves cannot lie - as in court, without concealment, they speak only the discreet and immutable truth, right? As for me, a certain part of them are ordinary agitators and fifth-columnists.
                        “If you want to be respected, start respecting the people around you first” - it’s a pity that I don’t remember who said it.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Only this is not a school, there are serious people here, no match for you.

                        What, again to bravado and empty boasting?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Well, what did you say in this phrase? These are not two different phrases, this is one paragraph and both sentences are an expression of your thoughts.
                        I ask again, what idea were you trying to express in this phrase, if not about the standard of living and salary?

                        I am already more than convinced that not everything is at home for you.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        The average salary just means that there are salaries both above and below the average.

                        Well done, I attributed my words to myself. Do you want a pie from the shelf?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        then what about 1876-1979 salary was 120-150

                        This is powerful! Where did I stutter about 1876 year? “The clock struck forty times, the cuckoo barked into the chimney,” right? laughing

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        when he gave you a table that indicated that the average salary was higher than your upper range, you started... and let's discard 4 and 9 and round up to fit your figure, but there are also 14, 5 and 18,5 more, their Shall we also round up to 150?

                        So what? I generally agreed that the salary of 120-150 was in the 70s and made a small assumption that 76 and 77 years could also be counted with a certain action. I didn't offer you anything. But at 14,5 and 18,5 it’s low: the sixth decade is not the fifth laughing

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        You specifically lied about the average salary in the USSR, and even the upper range of 150 did not correspond to reality, and your liberal manual let you down.

                        А where did I say that under Lenin or Stalin the average salary was 120-150 rubles, or under Gorbachev? laughing You accused me of lying, but in the meantime there was none.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        In general, according to even the most perverse logic, simply writing the USSR means the entire period of its existence, but if they want to highlight a specific range, they name specific dates.
                        You simply wrote the USSR, so there is no need to fuss about it.

                        I wrote about the period of your youth that you claim, based on your statement that you started working in the 80s, accordingly, according to estimates, you studied in the 70s, and should have been born in the late 60s. I allow deviations of +\- 2-3 years. This is where you took the Brezhnev period as an axiom, which you smeared across the entire USSR. And I said that "salaries were different", thereby refuting your lie about the fact that salaries were in the amount of 290-350 rubles.
                      7. 0
                        April 11 2020 00: 31
                        Quote: Nameless
                        http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2002/093/arxiv01.php

                        Quote from the section of the site under the link "About the project"
                        "14 декабря 1994 года The Press Committee of the Russian Federation issued a Certificate of Registration of a mass media outlet - a newsletter called "Population and Society". Certificate number 013123. Since then, this newsletter, which is published with the support of the French National Institute of Demographic Research (INED), has been published regularly and delivered free of charge to anyone who expresses an interest in it, and sometimes to those who do not."
                        And you want me to take this publication seriously? I'm not a victim of the Unified State Exam.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        5 people have already written to you in this chat that you are lying and talking nonsense, but you just won’t stop talking about some kind of respect for you.

                        But they themselves cannot lie -

                        They may lie, but five people are against you alone. That is, everyone is out of step, are you the only one in step?
                        You know, at first I thought that you were mistaken or joking, then I realized that you were young and did not live at a conscious age in the USSR, but it’s just not clear, you have so little knowledge that you are generally not able to critically comprehend the information. Or are you arguing just for the sake of arguing?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        I am already more than convinced that not everything is at home for you.

                        Quote: Nameless
                        Well done, I attributed my words to myself. Do you want a pie from the shelf?

                        Is that all you can answer to a specific question? A bit weak.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        This is powerful! Where did I stutter about 1876? “The clock struck forty times, the cuckoo barked into the chimney,” right?

                        I remember someone here banging their head that it was not good to find fault with an accidental typo. And when I found it, I jumped out of my pants with joy. Well done.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Where did I say that under Lenin or Stalin the average salary was 120-150 rubles, or under Gorbachev? You accused me of lying, but in the meantime there was none.

                        you said in the USSR the salary is 120-150, and this is Lenin, and Stalin, and Gorbachev.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        70s, but should have been born in the late 60s. I allow deviations of +\- 2-3 years. This is where you took the Brezhnev period as an axiom, which you smeared across the entire USSR. And I said that “the salaries were different,” thereby refuting your lie about the fact that the salaries were in the amount of 290-350 rubles.

                        Well, according to your logic, I found Khrushchev, Brezhnev and others. Therefore, I did not smear anything, I answered you that the salaries were above 120 that you announced, which was confirmed by the table. I wrote about salaries of 290-350 for myself and my parents, I did not say that everyone received that.
                        There is no need to attribute your fabrications to me. I have not been lying for a very long time, but telling the truth. Unfortunately, you’re not lying either, you’re just trying to argue about something you don’t understand at all, and therefore you’re making yourself look like a fool.
                      8. +1
                        April 11 2020 01: 08
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Quote from the section of the site under the link "About the project"
                        “On December 14, 1994, the Press Committee of the Russian Federation issued a Certificate of Registration of a mass media outlet called “Population and Society.” Certificate number 013123. Since then, this bulletin, which has been published with the support of the French National Institute of Demographic Research (INED) , is released regularly and delivered free of charge to everyone who expresses an interest in it, and sometimes to those who do not."
                        And you want me to take this publication seriously? I'm not a victim of the Unified State Exam.

                        Yes please: here’s even a pro-Soviet article for you
                        https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5c35852e62248c00aa8743f6/byli-li-kolhozniki-krepostnymi-v-sssr-imeli-li-oni-pasporta-v-30e-40e-50e-i-60e-gody--5cd44f8ff9616800b423cc50
                        Or are they lying there too? laughing

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        They may lie, but five people are against you alone. That is, everyone is out of step, are you the only one in step?

                        Maybe they're in cahoots! Or maybe there are different accounts of the same person - anything can happen here... laughing

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        You know, at first I thought that you were mistaken or joking, then I realized that you were young and did not live at a conscious age in the USSR, but it’s just not clear, you have so little knowledge that you are generally not able to critically comprehend the information. Or are you arguing just for the sake of arguing?

                        Again I started my mantra about how supposedly I am young and young? Get lost if you have nothing more to say in defense of the Union!

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Is that all you can answer to a specific question? A bit weak.

                        There would be something to answer there.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        I remember someone here banging their head that it was not good to find fault with an accidental typo. And when I found it, I jumped out of my pants with joy. Well done.

                        It was interesting to see your reaction. As practice shows, I’m not the only one who tends to make semantic, logical, and spelling mistakes because my nerves are getting a little naughty laughing

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        You said in the USSR the salary is 120-150, and this is Lenin, Stalin, and Gorbachev.

                        Wow! You yourself are stretching this salary over the entire USSR! And you still attribute this to me!

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Well, according to your logic, I found Khrushchev, Brezhnev and others. Therefore, I did not smear anything, I answered you that the salaries were above 120 that you announced, which was confirmed by the table. I wrote about salaries of 290-350 for myself and my parents, I did not say that everyone received that.
                        There is no need to attribute your fabrications to me. I have not been lying for a very long time, but telling the truth. Unfortunately, you’re not lying either, you’re just trying to argue about something you don’t understand at all, and therefore you’re making yourself look like a fool.

                        Khrushchev may have been caught in childhood (very early). Under Brezhnev, your adolescence and youth passed, under Andropov-Chernenko-Gorbachev you worked. Your table clearly shows that the average salary different: that before the 70s it was below 120 rubles, but after the 76th it was slightly above 150.
                        You wrote about a salary of 290-350 rubles as a response to my statement about the average salary of 120-150 rubles - as if I was telling a lie. In fact, you bent your heart by calling your salary 350 rubles, your salary 165 + bonuses and other things on top. You didn’t write directly about the fact that everyone received 350 - according to your statement and the refutation of my statement, this was essentially the case.
                        What kind of fabrications am I attributing to you? That the average salary was 290-350 rubles? So this is your statement!
                        It's a pity that you are not Pinocchio - I would look at the length of your nose!
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                        April 12 2020 11: 06
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Yes please: here’s even a pro-Soviet article for you
                        https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5c35852e62248c00aa8743f6/byli-li-kolhozniki-krepostnymi-v-sssr-imeli-li-oni-pasporta-v-30e-40e-50e-i-60e-gody--5cd44f8ff9616800b423cc50
                        Or are they lying there too?

                        Firstly, this is simply a person’s story of how it happened, and judging by the article of a well-informed person, with quotes from documents.
                        Secondly, the phrase about issuing passports within 6 years in the article looks like an argument that the collective farmers didn’t really need passports and they didn’t try to get them quickly.
                        Thirdly, this article also convincingly refutes your assertion that collective farmers were “serfs”
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Maybe they're in cahoots! Or maybe there are different accounts of the same person - anything can happen here...

                        Well, yes, an international conspiracy against you. The man registered several accounts and waited for several years for the “nameless” one to appear on VO so that he could write to him from different accounts.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Again I started my mantra about how supposedly I am young and young?

                        So far there is no evidence at all that you are not a teenager “I don’t want to study, I want to get married”
                        Quote: Nameless
                        There would be something to answer there.

                        The usual answer when there is essentially nothing to say.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Wow! You yourself are stretching this salary over the entire USSR! And you still attribute this to me!

                        I answered you that by simply saying the USSR, without voicing the date range, and by naming the salary figure, you are thereby asserting that the salary was 120-150 for the entire existence of the USSR. There is no need to attribute my mistakes to me, it’s childish and not nice.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Khrushchev may have been caught in childhood (very early). Under Brezhnev, your adolescence and youth passed, under Andropov-Chernenko-Gorbachev you worked

                        Brezhnev was Secretary General for 18 years; in the USSR, at the age of 18, people were already quite independent, not so now. This means that having found Khrushchev, I must start working under Brezhnev.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        You wrote about a salary of 290-350 rubles as a response to my statement about the average salary of 120-150 rubles - as if I was telling a lie

                        You said lies, I wrote about my salary when you were just talking about 120. Moreover, I immediately specifically wrote that I received 290-350 working at a factory in the 80s. and In the 80s, the average salary was much more than even your 150 rubles.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        In fact, you bent your heart by calling your salary 350 rubles, your salary 165 + bonuses and other things on top.

                        And why is it interesting that I misrepresented myself? specifically.
                        Having named my salary after college as 165, I was responding to your statement that you received 120 even with higher education. Bonuses and additional payments were also added to the salary; in addition, they also paid 13 and 14 salaries (annual payments at the end of the year). I did not count my annual income in the USSR, but taking into account the annual income, I received even more than the 290-350 announced to you.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        You didn’t write directly about the fact that everyone received 350 - according to your statement and the refutation of my statement, this was essentially the case.
                        What kind of fabrications am I attributing to you? That the average salary was 290-350 rubles? So this is your statement!

                        Read it for yourself. First write that “you didn’t write that you all received 350” and a line below “That the average salary was 290-350 rubles? So this is your statement”
                        Do you have a split personality? You will decide whether I wrote or not.
                        PS but essentially our conversation still makes sense.
                        Firstly, you will never again claim, without specific periods, that the salary in the USSR is 120 rubles, and then a whole layer of your statements about the terrible life in the USSR, from the liberal manual, loses its meaning.
                        Secondly, you have figured out the passport system of the USSR and will not write about “serf collective farmers”; again, a whole chapter is missing from the manual.
                        This is how it turns out laughing lol
                      10. +1
                        April 13 2020 01: 22
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Firstly, this is simply a person’s story of how it happened, and judging by the article of a well-informed person, with quotes from documents.

                        Yes, actually, we are all here as knowledgeable people, just telling each other something - while citing quotes from various documents laughing

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Secondly, the phrase about issuing passports within 6 years in the article looks like an argument that the collective farmers didn’t really need passports and they didn’t try to get them quickly.

                        It looks like a statement and statement of the fact that collective farmers were people whose rights and freedoms of a normal person were deliberately violated by the state for its own purposes, that without passports they were inferior citizens - i.e. in fact they were almost serfs.
                        Now let the state trample on any of your rights or freedoms - you will immediately trash the entire “Military Review” with your fifth-column comments laughing .

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Thirdly, this article also convincingly refutes your assertion that collective farmers were “serfs”

                        Long before I gave you a link to this article, I knew in advance that you would say this laughing I’m saying that the article is pro-Soviet: it was written by a man in an attempt to whitewash his object of fetish and worship - the USSR. It is arranged in advance in his favor. Much is far-fetched there - take at least what is based on the decisions of the year 32, relating generally to rural residents the author is trying to claim that collective farmers they received them. I don’t argue that collective farmers are residents of rural areas, but not every rural resident was a collective farmer. The article is interesting in that its author, without knowing it, ended up in solidarity with the liberals regarding the fact that collective farmers began to receive passports from the late 70s to the early 80s - those. in his own words he confirms the truth of the liberals’ statement laughing .

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Well, yes, an international conspiracy against you. The man registered several accounts and waited for several years for the “nameless” one to appear on VO so that he could write to him from different accounts.

                        You’d better tell me one thing: for disgracing yourself here and writing nonsense, your foreign “partners” are paying you well laughing ?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        The usual answer when there is essentially nothing to say.

                        To whom? To you? Yes, I noticed that when you have nothing substantive to say, you become personal, rude, arrogant, and try to belittle me as an interlocutor and the value of my statements in the eyes of other visitors. Just like when a cat has nothing to do, he licks eggs laughing .

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        I answered you that by simply saying the USSR, without voicing the date range, and by naming the salary figure, you are thereby asserting that the salary was 120-150 for the entire existence of the USSR. There is no need to attribute my mistakes to me, it’s childish and not nice.

                        Once again, for those especially gifted: please see a direct quote from my commentary where I directly stated that the given average salary was this size throughout the entire period of the existence of the USSR. You've already written so many comments here in an attempt to confuse me and fool me - just sh*t to you: I have all the moves written down.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        And why is it interesting that I misrepresented myself? specifically.
                        Having named my salary after college as 165, I was responding to your statement that you received 120 even with higher education. Bonuses and additional payments were also added to the salary; in addition, they also paid 13 and 14 salaries (annual payments at the end of the year). I did not count my annual income in the USSR, but taking into account the annual income, I received even more than the 290-350 announced to you.

                        Through your lips we must speak Aesop and Marcus Aurelius laughing !

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Read it for yourself. First write that “you didn’t write that you all received 350” and a line below “That the average salary was 290-350 rubles? So this is your statement”
                        Do you have a split personality? You will decide whether I wrote or not.

                        You definitely don't have everything at home.

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        PS but essentially our conversation still makes sense.

                        Monsieur knows a lot about perversions laughing !
                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Firstly, you will never again claim, without specific periods, that the salary in the USSR is 120 rubles, and then there will be a whole layer of your statements about the terrible life in the USSR

                        On what basis did you decide that since the average salary at different moments of the existence of the USSR was different and that there were salaries lower and higher than it, then the USSR was not terrible? How does this refute the crime that allegedly did not exist, lousy medicine, the existence of counterfeit food products since the 70s, the low standard of living and other things that supposedly did not exist and could not exist in a country with the “most advanced social system”?

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        Secondly, you have figured out the passport system of the USSR and will not write about “serf collective farmers”; again, a whole chapter is missing from the manual.

                        See above about collective farmers and the pro-Soviet article, in which the author, as before, pulled collective farmers by the ears to residents of rural areas (full-fledged citizens) on the basis that collective farmers lived where they did - and therefore the decisions of the 30s also applied to him. In addition, he himself confirmed the truth of the liberals’ statement that collective farmers were without passports until the end of the 70s and the beginning of the 80s - i.e. he confirmed what you didn’t want to believe laughing .

                        Quote: E_V_N
                        This is how it turns out laughing

                        Do you often experience bouts of causeless euphoria? Doesn't this bother you? Don't you want to seek help from a qualified specialist? laughing
                      11. 0
                        April 16 2020 20: 22
                        Quote: Nameless
                        It looks like a statement and statement of the fact that collective farmers were people whose rights and freedoms of a normal person were deliberately violated by the state for its own purposes, that without passports they were inferior citizens - i.e. in essence they were almost serfs.

                        Did you read the entire article, or just this phrase? The whole article talks about how it was easy to get a passport, including for collective farmers; it was enough to submit an application to the police. The certificates were given not only by the chairman, but by the village council, and the village council had no right to refuse at all.
                        What, in your opinion, prevented the distribution of passports, there were no forms, or some collective farm chairmen tried to delay the moment of passportization?
                        You, at least at a young age, should have seen the moment of privatization of apartments, which was admired here. So, after the announcement of free privatization, people did not rush for a “freebie” and privatization dragged on for ten years. The same thing happened with the “garden amnesty”; for 8 years they have been trying to persuade the population to register their garden and summer cottage plots. We never achieved 100% coverage.
                        So there is no need to pull the owl onto the globe here.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        relating generally to residents of rural areas, the author tries to claim that collective farmers also received them. I do not argue that collective farmers are residents of rural areas, but not every resident of rural areas was a collective farmer.

                        I actually didn’t see the author’s statement that, on the basis of the resolution of ’32, collective farmers received passports; he said that collective farmers who moved to a city or urban-type settlement received passports. My wife also told me that her maternal grandfather, due to drunkenness, lost the collective farm certificates of grain distribution, had to hand over his grain, and he and his wife left the collective farm for the city, where his grandfather got a job at a factory. There was no conversation about passports, but it turns out that there really weren’t any special problems, since I became a worker and a resident of the city without any problems.
                        By the way, do not forget that the collective farm was a collective farm, and by law (not in fact), the collective farmer had the right to leave the collective farm with his share.. And then, not everyone was ready to give up their share in the collective farm and go to the city. So the question is not as simple as your liberal manual says.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        You’d better tell me one thing: are your foreign “partners” paying you adequately for disgracing yourself here and writing nonsense?

                        Well, first of all, it’s only you who are embarrassing yourself here.
                        Secondly. In your opinion, I stand for the USSR and the communists, but do the communists and the USSR have partners in the West? So they rather pay you, the promoter of liberal manuals fellow

                        Quote: Nameless
                        To whom? To you? Yes, I noticed that when you have nothing substantive to say, you get personal

                        In order for me to become a person, you first need to become a person, but for now you are just a copyist of a liberal manual, of which there are quite a few.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Here is a direct quote from my comment where I directly stated that the given average salary was this size throughout the entire period of the existence of the USSR.

                        What did you have in Russian and literature at school? I have already told you more than once that you wrote 120 and the USSR, without talking about any period, but simply mentioning the USSR in Russian means the entire period of its existence. Yes, you understand this yourself, you’re just trying to clumsily get out.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        You definitely don't have everything at home.

                        Well, yes, you write opposite statements in your 2 lines, and I am to blame for this. What are you smoking there? Stop it.
                        PS You, like a young narcissist, are not able to admit your defeat. But I repeat, you won’t be as stupid as you were in a conversation with me, unless, of course, you are a finalist, or you are paid such good money for reprinting the manual that you don’t care what to write.
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                        April 18 2020 22: 34
                        Quote: Nameless
                        It was not for this purpose that forced collectivization in the form of artificial famines caused by food appropriations created a system of collective farms so that someone could “get out” of it so easily. So, in the constitution of the USSR, since Stalin’s times, it was stipulated that the union republics have the right to secede from the USSR - but something about the fact that they did this throughout 89-91 really offends you.

                        Where have you been brought by illness, famines, collective farms for the enslavement of peasants? Why did they give out a new manual with old slogans?
                        And as for the fact that I am offended by the exit of the republics, you are mistaken.
                        The only way out was by the will of the leadership and not the people.
                        What bothers me is that if you leave, leave, and don’t pull the cat by the tail. I am independent, but you must help me brotherly, sell resources at internal prices, help with money, provide work for the gasters. This is not adult-like.
                        Regarding passports, and the author’s story about the resolutions of 1932 and 1933, if you read it inattentively, you see contradictions; it also says that you could get a temporary passport, a certificate from the village council, and even present a union card. That is, a passport at that time was not a mandatory document. And what you came up with there is your problem. The Unified State Exam taught you to choose an answer from several options, but did not teach you to analyze and think.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        I also have a friend who has a friend

                        The wife is not an acquaintance of an acquaintance, I believe my wife.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        .. and immediately become an individualist, an individual worker, a kulak, a Polish degenerate, and then an enemy of the people, attracting the attention of the NKVD and the accompanying “misadventures”...

                        They wrote to you in Russian, “according to the law,” so your delusional fabrications are not the topic here. Although, apart from blurting out facts that are inconvenient for you, you don’t have enough intelligence to do anything more.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Alas, no one will reimburse me in any way for the after-work hours or weekends spent on you. To the extent that I communicate with you at my own request, and not at the behest of someone or not based on a financial incentive.

                        Maybe the reason is simpler: Your quotes from the training manuals weren’t accepted, and no matter how much you shouted about your victory, your curators admitted your defeat and didn’t pay anything for your work over the weekend.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        You might think that they entered world history textbooks as a bright historical figure.

                        Can you prove that you didn’t enter?
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Galaperidol in the studio!

                        That you have nothing to answer and again you got stuck, you needed a gallop, poor fellow, I even feel sorry for you sometimes. Take your pills on time; you definitely shouldn’t interrupt your treatment.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Why is this happening all of a sudden? It is you who have merged with average salaries, the absence of crime in the USSR, excellent “free” medicine, education and apartments, a “very high” standard of living, with your assertion that the Kaiser’s Germany merged before the Entnant landed in the Republic of Ingushetia and your rudeness, arrogance and arrogance .

                        I have merged with average salaries, but you can’t get out of this after your 120 and the USSR. Well, everything else is in the same spirit. About apartments and medicine, your attempts that they simply did not pay extra because they gave apartments for free, do not work for a simple reason, and now they do not pay extra and take taxes, but they offer to buy apartments at the market price. You yourself haven’t bought anything, you are a defender of oligarchic capitalism, you are using your grandfather’s free apartment in the USSR.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        Kaiser's Germany merged before the Antnanta landed in the Republic of Ingushetia

                        Well, of course, you don’t know that merging and capitulating don’t happen at the same time. During the Second World War, Berlin was taken before Germany capitulated; Germany merged much earlier than it capitulated.
                        Quote: Nameless
                        your rudeness, arrogance and arrogance.

                        You have been looking in the mirror for a long time, although you, with your Unified State Examination education, are not familiar with the meaning of these words, but you heard a ringing sound.

                        In general, you have long since run out of arguments, just repetitions and empty chatter on your part, no longer interesting.
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            27 March 2020 01: 48
            Quote: Nameless
            your 15 rubles per three rubles with a salary of 250-300 are exceptions to the rule, because the majority received a much lower salary - from 200 to 120 rubles, and they could pay housing and communal services even for a one-room apartment for 20 rubles.

            What majority received 120? What period are you talking about? 120 is the level of the 1960s, and you called 1980-1985. you’ll decide, otherwise I’m tired of chasing after your jumping hasty thoughts (oh, I was in a hurry, I mixed it up, I wrote it wrong, that’s a good excuse for a dropout). They didn’t pay 80 rubles for a one-room apartment in the 20s, that’s your lie.
            In my eyes, you have never risen above the plinth; you are a clear-cut troll, with a liberal manual, without principles or your own knowledge.
            Quote: Nameless
            . Without these tax deductions, your salaries would be slightly higher, and you would have to pay for certain services directly.

            Well, well, now medicine is paid and there are tons of taxes and 40 million working they live below the poverty line, it wasn’t me who said it, but Deputy Prime Minister Golikova.
            Quote: Nameless
            Modern paid training is:
            1). Private alternative to public educational institutions (a kind of business)
            2). Additional places at universities above a certain quota for those who really want to study
            3). Hiring a tutor - a kind of freelancer from education who, for money, can teach your child something necessary or interesting
            Therefore, I ask you not to dramatize about paid education.

            A private alternative... business, well, selling higher education diplomas for money, knowledge cannot be bought, you understand, what did you buy your diploma for?
            Additional places for those who couldn’t really study at school, didn’t pass your favorite Unified State Exam, didn’t pass the competition, but really want a diploma, and why not buy it where everything is sold. It’s not funny.
            Quote: Nameless
            Let's do some simple arithmetic: no matter what you say about a salary of 250-300 rubles, the majority still received 120-150. And some even 60-70 rubles.

            Where did you get these numbers from? You didn’t live or work then, which means you’re trying to repeat the data from the manual to me, who was receiving their salary at that time? Or the liberal trolling of the USSR by Gaidarov-Chubais? I personally saw an interview with Pugacheva and other “artists” about 3 rubles for a concert, a boiler in the room, and then they turned out to have their own theaters and castles.
            You made it especially funny about going to the store for 10-15 rubles. red 10ka was decent money; we didn’t go grocery shopping with it.
            Is it weak to say that you bought 1985-10 rubles in a store in 15? And on every trip.
            What did you have in arithmetic? Your salary is 60-70 rubles, 20 rubles for an apartment, 50 remains, in your opinion, this means going to the store 5 times, buying something to eat about once a week, isn’t it funny?
            A dollar in the USSR cost 60 kopecks, which means I received about 550 dollars. Now the average salary is announced at 40 (a lie of course), the dollar is 000 rubles, that is, 80 dollars on the nose. So what has changed?
            Quote: Nameless
            learned to isolate food protein from waste oil products

            I’m too lazy to even answer about doctors, a bunch of stupidity and cliches.
            But food protein from oil made me laugh, this is the level of Unified State Examination education with a purchased diploma.
            Quote: Nameless
            GMOs are a discovery of, if not the 80s and XNUMXs, then certainly the XNUMXs

            I won’t ask any more questions about arithmetic from an obvious bad student. By the way, the 80s were before the 90s and XNUMXs, but from the construction of your phrase it turns out later, do you have a weak C level in Russian?
            Quote: Nameless
            GOST 23670-79

            I wasn’t too lazy to read GOST, I couldn’t find what you were writing about, what section did you read?
            About the sausages. The most common were doctor's and dairy. Read their composition in the GOST tables and don’t lie to yourself.
            If everything is the same as in modern products, why were GOSTs abolished?
            1. -1
              27 March 2020 09: 36
              Do you even have anything to answer on the merits other than “dropout”, “victim of the Unified State Exam”, “troll”, “liberal training manual”, “a set of nonsense and cliches”, “poor student”, “bought diploma”, “ridiculous”? So far you are the agitator with the Soviet manual - you have not yet been able to refute my theses. From you in my direction there is only one continuous arrogance, arrogance and rudeness. All your answers are in the style of “because gladiolus”. It feels like I’m communicating not even with a bot, but or even with a parrot or even with the little jackdaw Khvatayka. If you consider these to be your reasoned answers, then I advise you to return your diploma of higher education back to the university where you received it and go back to kindergarten.
              This is the Internet - here, in the comments and on the forum, you can make any spelling, morphological, punctuation and other errors. I already spend a considerable amount of after-work time giving you answers, thoughtfully re-reading your writings. And accordingly, I try to give an answer as quickly as possible - as quickly as my free time allows. On your part, attempts to reproach me with errors in writing and speech look like outright rudeness and another marker of the fact that you simply have nothing to cover my arguments with - as they say, “there’s nothing to say - find fault until you make a mistake”!
              I’m saying that it would be better if I devoted my free time to communicating with Alice, and not to you - I could probably have a good conversation with her.
              1. -1
                28 March 2020 01: 09
                Quote: Nameless
                This is the Internet - here, in the comments and on the forum, you can make any spelling, morphological, punctuation and other errors.

                You forgot to add logical, semantic historical errors.
                Yes, I wouldn’t even pay attention to your illiteracy if you weren’t lying at every step, weren’t confused about dates, concepts, meanings, considering your erroneous statements as arguments that I should accept. And when semantic errors are pointed out to you, you get offended. I actually read only what you write, I don’t know how to read the thoughts that are wandering around in your head.
                If you are confused in counting to one hundred, what can you be called if not a poor student?
                If you are confused about the exams that schoolchildren took in 1980, and at the same time you are trying to prove that you lived at a conscious age at that time, what can you be called if not a deceiver and a demagogue?
                If you, with persistence worthy of better use, are trying to prove something that you yourself have not experienced and do not know, then who are you if not a troll with a manual?
                Personally, I put a general meaning in the words listed, and not a personal insult to you.
                By and large, you are trying to prove to me that I was in a lethargic sleep in the USSR, and what I earned, read, did, who I loved did not really exist, everything was different and bad.
                I repeat once again, I am not a communist, I am not a fan of the USSR, I know the mistakes and shadow sides of the USSR, but they are on a completely different plane than what you are tearing your vest about here.
                1. -1
                  28 March 2020 01: 58
                  I tell you earnestly - don’t try to attribute your statements and actions to me. I have all your moves recorded. If you really studied in the old days, when at the end of school you had to pass 7 exams, then now you have completely fallen into insanity.
                  All that you call logical and semantic errors is something to which you simply cannot give a refuting answer. You're just trying to wiggle from one side to the other, trying to jump from one topic to another. There was one mistake, but not in the date, in the place of the first landing of the Entente in Russia - on the basis of this you are once again trying to shield me with incompetence and dullness. You have simply exhausted yourself, you simply feel that you will collapse under my blows - and therefore you decided that before it is too late, it is better to put an end to our conversation in this way, save your face and leave the last word for yourself - before I leave a wet mark on you. You just didn’t take into account one thing: I don’t care what you call me and what you attribute to me, but everything written here is available to anyone with access to the Internet - and therefore people themselves will judge who is who here, fortunately they have their own head on their shoulders .

                  Well, “counting to one hundred” is simply without comment... laughing
                  PS - if you yourself are not able to understand something, then maybe you shouldn’t see a logical or semantic error in something, but should you just admit that your CUR is below 60?
                  1. -1
                    April 1 2020 17: 20
                    Quote: Nameless
                    If you really studied in the old days, when at the end of school you had to pass 7 exams, then now you have completely fallen into insanity.

                    7 exams were passed while the USSR existed and for some time after the collapse, and then it is better to be in senility than to suffer from encephalopathy like you.
                    Quote: Nameless
                    you call logical and semantic errors - this is something to which you simply cannot give a refuting answer.

                    It is impossible to give an answer to verbal diarrhea, without meaning and questions.
                    Quote: Nameless
                    leave the last word for yourself - before I leave even a wet trace of you

                    If you leave a wet spot, ask your mom to change your diaper, or at least a diaper (if you know what that is).
                    Quote: Nameless
                    if you yourself are unable to understand something

                    Do you yourself understand what you are writing?
                    In general, stop with your verbiage, if you have something substantive to say, write briefly and to the point. I'm tired of reading your nonsense and repeating the same thing.
                    1. -1
                      April 1 2020 23: 21
                      Well, if I have encephalopathy, then you have phimosis of the brain.

                      It would be very specific to know what you consider verbal diarrhea - probably something that you are unable to understand due to the progressive development of Alzheimer's syndrome.

                      As one character in one wonderful war drama said, “Your tongue is sharp, but my ass is unshaven.” laughing

                      Do I understand what I am writing to you? Very much so! The only thing I cannot understand is how long you will continue to struggle with your vain and unsuccessful attempts to make me out to be an incompetent person. As they say, you can look at 3 things for an infinitely long time: how the candle flame smolders, how the stars shine and how E_V_N unsuccessfully tries to dump me in the mud laughing
                      1. -1
                        April 3 2020 00: 39
                        Quote: Nameless
                        you will be confused by your vain and unsuccessful attempts to make me out to be an incompetent person.

                        Well, I won’t even respond to your attempts to invent diseases for me, considering it witty, I won’t even respond. This is not humor, this is what a shkolota does when there is essentially nothing to say.
                        Unfortunately, you are exposing yourself as an incompetent person, There is no need to attribute your merits to me. No.
                      2. -1
                        April 3 2020 00: 55
                        You yourself probably forgot how you previously attributed your own to me and when you had nothing to cover up my refutations of the high standard of living in the USSR, free housing with education and medicine, natural food and low crime - who began to get personal with the words “failed student”, “victim of the Unified State Exam” " and "dropout"? You behave both like a small child and like an offended girl.
                2. -1
                  28 March 2020 08: 11
                  Quote: E_V_N
                  I repeat once again, I am not a communist, I am not a fan of the USSR, I know the mistakes and shadow sides of the USSR, but they are on a completely different plane than what you are tearing your vest about here.

                  And now you’re also trying to change your shoes while jumping. negative
                  1. -1
                    April 1 2020 17: 22
                    Quote: Nameless
                    And now you’re also trying to change your shoes while jumping.

                    Did I write somewhere that I was a communist? Or a fan of the USSR?
                    If you decide that, then it's your problem, not mine.
                    1. -1
                      April 1 2020 23: 09
                      They changed their shoes not because they previously wrote that they were communists and then that they weren’t, but because at first they said only good things about the USSR, and only after I refuted your statements did you immediately start saying that
                      Quote: E_V_N
                      I am not a fan of the USSR, I know the mistakes and shadow sides of the USSR.
            2. -1
              28 March 2020 00: 02
              About living on 60 rubles, find someone who worked as a simple janitor in those years - and ask him about what it’s like.
              And regarding dietary protein from petroleum products - study, educate yourself, the pride of Soviet education laughing: https://masterok.livejournal.com/2720715.html
              But still, how low have you fallen if, instead of arguments, all you are capable of are pathetic attempts to find fault with typos, spelling errors and get to the bottom of the meaning of the sentence “GMOs are a discovery, if not of the 80s and XNUMXs, then certainly of the XNUMXs.” "... you, with a swift jack, broke through the bottom to the very core of the planet. Be careful, otherwise you will create a black hole in people's the depths of our Mother Earth laughing
              1. -1
                April 1 2020 17: 31
                Quote: Nameless
                About living on 60 rubles, find someone who worked as a simple janitor in those years - and ask him about what it’s like.

                Do you know what they told children in the USSR? If you don't study, they'll only hire you as a janitor. Well, the person didn’t want to study, or was not capable, he worked as a janitor, earned little, that’s his problem. It’s bad that now salaries depend little on education and abilities, but on connections, acquaintances and intimate services.
                Quote: Nameless
                And regarding dietary protein from petroleum products - study, educate yourself, the pride of Soviet education

                If this were a reality and had practical and economic meaning, then if not in the USSR then in the USA, people would have been fed with oil for a long time, but something is not observed. I read that artificial eggs were created in China, but it is expensive and not profitable.
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                  April 1 2020 23: 07
                  You tell any of the representatives of modern engineers, scientists, economists, managers, cultural figures, builders, security officials or representatives of other professions that they receive their salaries not so much from their knowledge and skills, but from cronyism, nepotism and intimacy - and I more than I am sure that you will repeat the path of Christ to Calvary.

                  Nevertheless, oil caviar did exist. The link I gave you talks about both the practical and economic sense, and why this has not taken off en masse. The United States did not carry out such developments (although I could be wrong) - this is a purely Soviet activity. And therefore, if in the first half of the existence of the USSR (from 1924 to perhaps 1955), science did not yet allow such tricks to be created and therefore the products were truly real - then starting from the second half of the existence of the USSR, when science could already make artificial food and when for real They abolished serfdom by allowing collective farmers to receive passports and leave collective farms to move to the city for permanent residence - then they began to drive food with additives and substitutes then in order to somehow feed the population.

                  No need to lie - an artificial egg is 4 times cheaper than a real one. Here is the link: https://mykitai.ru/strana/eda/iskusstvennye-yajtsa-v-kitae-pravda-ili-fejk.html
                  Here is a quote from the end of the article at the link:
                  "What's the point of fake eggs?
                  As already noted, the production of surrogate eggs is economically profitable. They abandoned amateurism in this process long ago, moving on to an extensive profitable business.
                  Fake eggs bring enormous profits to entrepreneurs, regardless of the harm they can cause to human health."
                  1. -1
                    April 1 2020 23: 15
                    Quote: Nameless
                    You tell any of the representatives of modern engineers, scientists, economists, managers, cultural figures, builders, security officials or representatives of other professions that they receive their salaries not so much from their knowledge and skills, but from cronyism, nepotism and intimacy - and I more than I am sure that you will repeat the path of Christ to Calvary.

                    Yes, it’s hard to talk to you, you not only don’t know how to count, but also don’t know how to read.
                    Quote: E_V_N
                    It's bad that now salary depends little on education and abilities, but depends on cronyism, acquaintances and intimate services.

                    Many of those you listed will agree with me, but Golgotha ​​shines faster for you tongue
                    But you couldn’t answer the questions asked?
                    How old are you anyway?
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                      April 2 2020 00: 24
                      How old are you? Why should I report to you who I am, where I come from and what my rank is? I already have the impression that you didn’t pass any of the 7 exams under the Union - that you are just an ordinary armchair fighter against the regime.

                      By the way: cronyism, acquaintances... did they remember their youth in the Union? laughing

                      You would learn to understand the meaning of what is written - then you could be mistaken for a rational being.
  86. 0
    18 March 2020 22: 34
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Replace “Putin” with “Stalin” in your question and try to answer the resulting question. Let's laugh together
    Reply

    There is no need to change anything here, the person to whom I answered argued that Putin PERSONALLY did not give the order to close any plant, and therefore he is not to blame, and in the next comment we are already writing, the houses built during his reign will be credited to Putin.
    Therefore, the question is, if Putin is not to blame for the closure of factories, then why is the construction of houses his merit?
    1. -2
      19 March 2020 22: 47
      But you yourself wrote down the merit of Khrushchev for his panel high-rise buildings:
      Quote: E_V_N
      It’s just that the same Khrushchev, whom you blamed here, left behind “Khrushchevka” housing, which is not so great, but 30-40% of the population of Russia still live in it, and he was in power for only 10 years. What will Putin leave behind?

      I countered this with:
      Quote: Nameless
      Secondly, in terms of housing, after Putin there will be many new buildings in cities that, in terms of quality of life, will outshine your Khrushchev-era buildings.

      Those. Now you are confused by the fact that new buildings throughout the country during Putin’s presidency can be credited to him. As it was built under Khrushchev and the USSR - so good and meritorious, as under Putin - so you turned on the back one. Simply put, you have created double standards in which you yourself have become entangled! laughing
  87. 0
    23 March 2020 22: 37
    Quote: E_V_N
    You yourself are confused in your trolling. In the same paragraph write “The subsoil belonged and belongs to the state” and “profit from the extraction of mineral resources from the subsoil belonging to the people”

    I say: a person without a sense of humor is a dead person who will make everyone around him dead.
  88. -2
    23 March 2020 22: 37
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    To be honest, I don't think anything. There's a pair of every creature here, you can't think of them all.

    Exactly, it makes no sense to analyze your couple with the nameless one.
    1. -2
      24 March 2020 00: 15
      Quote: E_V_N
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      To be honest, I don't think anything. There's a pair of every creature here, you can't think of them all.

      Exactly, it makes no sense to analyze your couple with the nameless one.

      Are you running into trouble? You're in vain...
      1. -1
        27 March 2020 01: 50
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: E_V_N
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        To be honest, I don't think anything. There's a pair of every creature here, you can't think of them all.

        Exactly, it makes no sense to analyze your couple with the nameless one.

        Are you running into trouble? You're in vain...

        What are you not happy with? You did a good job with this dropout with the training manual.
        I’ve met you before in the comments, but by God I don’t remember your credo.
  89. 0
    26 March 2020 00: 20
    Quote: E_V_N
    It’s not funny, the Union republics (except for the Baltic states) did not leave the USSR at all, the USSR was declared dissolved precisely by the Belovezhskaya trinity, with Gorbachev cowardly sitting in Pharos. I lived in those days and I remember this not from Wiki and your manual.

    So, let's start with the Baltic states - there are already 3 countries that have declared their independence and secession from the USSR before signing Belovezhskaya agreement.
    Armenia declared its independence on August 23, 1990 by adopting the Declaration “On the Independence of Armenia”, Azerbaijan - on August 30 of the same year. The declaration “On the restoration of state independence of the Azerbaijan Republic” states that “the Azerbaijan Republic is the successor to the Azerbaijan Republic that existed from May 28, 1918 to April 28, 1920... with the preservation of all decrees and laws that do not contradict its administrative-territorial structure.”
    2 more countries - a total of 5.
    Georgia committed a similar act on April 9, 1991 - 8 months before the Belovezhskaya Agreement.
    Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan - 3 months before Belovezh.
    Already 8 countries.
    On the outskirts, Svidomo announced their independence on August 24, 1991 - 4 months in advance. Belarus - August 25.
    Already 10 countries
    Kazakhstan declared independence a week after the Bialowieza Agreement laughing
    I think that the remaining 5 republics need not be mentioned.
    As you can see, the Union actually collapsed already before signing agreement in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. In fact, he no longer existed. The Belovezhskaya Agreement is already a legal formalization of the statement of this fact, a kind of “divorce process” and the issuance of a “death certificate” in one bottle.
  90. -1
    28 March 2020 08: 12
    Quote: E_V_N
    By and large, you are trying to prove to me that I was in a lethargic sleep in the USSR, and what I earned, read, did, who I loved did not really exist, everything was different and bad.

    If you think so, then you should stop passing off your case as the "average temperature in the hospital."
  91. -1
    28 March 2020 08: 24
    Quote: E_V_N
    If you are confused about the exams that schoolchildren took in 1980, and at the same time you are trying to prove that you lived at a conscious age at that time, what can you be called if not a deceiver and a demagogue?
    If you, with persistence worthy of better use, are trying to prove something that you yourself have not experienced and do not know, then who are you if not a troll with a manual?

    I’m telling you that the most important thing for you in our dispute is to prove my incompetence as a debater and the fact that I may not know the subject of the dispute - in this way you are trying to make my arguments and statements an empty phrase, and present yourself as an indisputable authority who “lived - who knows"
    So, in addition to getting personal, nitpicking about mistakes and typos, presenting everything that was not understood as logical and semantic errors, rudeness and arrogance, you are also caught trying to divert the conversation in a different direction. You are a typical representative of a “fighter against the regime” propagandist, conducting his propaganda and agitation activities on forums and in the comments of popular online resources, and you are trying to confuse all those who are trying to resist you with crap. That’s why I see lately all the liberals and soviet people have perked up and began to insinuate our country and the president, posing as true patriots of our country, for the sake of which they are ready to stage a revolution and coup, and all those who simply love their country and therefore defend she is trying to repel their attacks on the country - as Kremlin bots, or even attribute their destructive activities to them, calling them fifth columnists.

    I specifically kept, am keeping and will keep my incognito - as I say, this gives additional sharpness and piquancy to such disputes.
    1. -1
      April 3 2020 13: 23
      Quote: Nameless
      I specifically kept, am keeping and will keep my incognito - as I say, this gives additional sharpness and piquancy to such disputes.

      You consider yourself interesting to someone. Does your nonsense add sharpness and piquancy to the argument?
      There was no need to make mistakes and give away your true age, and write correctly, this speaks of a good education.
      1. -1
        April 3 2020 23: 32
        You probably wanted to say your line about nonsense to your own reflection in the mirror - but by mistake you mixed it up and wrote it here. laughing
        I wonder what and where I screwed up, assuming that it was YOU who took the exams out of 2 compulsory and XNUMX optional ones before the Unified State Examination era? You didn’t even notice that I reproached you for being a scholastic! laughing
        1. 0
          April 8 2020 11: 36
          Quote: Nameless
          I wonder what and where I screwed up, assuming that it was YOU who took the exams out of 2 compulsory and XNUMX optional ones before the Unified State Examination era?

          Do not set off.
          You simply didn’t know how you passed exams in the USSR, because you didn’t study during the USSR and didn’t know that before there were other rules and graduates had a broad outlook, and not like you, “2 compulsory (read and count) and 2 optional.” And this completely revealed your age as a USE dropout, and this applies not only to you, but to all victims of the USE.
          1. +1
            April 9 2020 23: 35
            Why did you even decide that I don’t know what exams were like before? laughing You started talking about your Unified State Exam here with the classic “Lyolik has disappeared” laughing - I made a discount for your age as a relatively adult person (let’s say, born in the mid-80s), who passed exams that were no longer of the highest standard, but not yet the Unified State Exam. We didn’t initially talk about our ages. Therefore, all your statements in this field are attempts at wishful thinking.
  92. -1
    28 March 2020 08: 26
    Quote: E_V_N
    Now the average salary is announced at 40 (a lie, of course)

    It immediately became clear that you live abroad.
  93. -1
    28 March 2020 08: 51
    Quote: E_V_N
    Well, now medicine is paid and there are tons of taxes, and 40 million workers live below the poverty line, it wasn’t me who said it, but Deputy Prime Minister Golikova.

    There is no need to present private clinics and hospitals as a ubiquitous phenomenon. Budget medicine is here to stay.
    You might think you pay them all. How can taxes that apply only to entrepreneurs or large firms apply to you? Are you passing off the particular as the general again?
    According to Rosstat data for 2019, 14.3% of the Russian population (20,4 million people) lived below the poverty line. You inflated the estimate by 2 times (!), and besides, not only did you hide behind the Deputy Prime Minister (!!), but you also slandered her (!!!) - she never spoke about 40 (!!!!) million compatriots: it has the same numbers as Rosstat.
    I lack all the richness of the Russian language to describe what a vile entity you are. Just like those propagandists who, under the guise of imaginary patriotism and no less imaginary love for the Motherland, “fight the regime” and pour crap on those who in reality simply love their country - defending it and the president, calling them quilted jackets and Kremlin bots, and even attributing You call them fifth columnists for their malicious activities.
    1. 0
      28 March 2020 08: 59
      Quote: Nameless
      You might think you pay them all. How can taxes that apply only to entrepreneurs or large firms apply to you?

      Those. Do you think that entrepreneurs are fools and do not take these taxes into account when calculating their salaries? Put yourself in the employer's shoes and you will understand everything.
      Quote: Nameless
      Budget medicine is here to stay.

      1) The quality of this “budget” medicine is falling every day.
      2) It is very conditional on a budget, because... Each employee’s salary includes a deduction for healthcare. 3,4% in my opinion.
      3) Local doctors brazenly demand gratitude, and at a price.
      Quote: Nameless
      (20,4 million people)

      Is this not enough for a superpower with the world's largest reserves of natural resources?
      1. -1
        28 March 2020 09: 21
        It would be better if you, instead of logging in under other logins - otherwise I started the conversation with Axelbants, then E_V_N began to broadcast for him, and when he was blown away, you appeared - you would answer my questions directly. I ask again how the part of taxes that relates to to a certain part of the population somehow became a heavy burden directly onto the shoulders of others of people? And then our poor E_V_N exclaimed with bitterness how many taxes we have in our country, but did not say which ones specifically he pays - as if he were paying for business activities without being an entrepreneur, and so on.
        1. -1
          28 March 2020 09: 30
          Quote: Nameless
          Instead of logging in under other logins, you would be better off -

          Unlike some, I have one account on VO. If in doubt, check with the administration. They know hu is hu.
          Regarding taxes, there are direct taxes, but there really aren’t many of them. But the number of indirect ones is off the charts, and they all fall on the shoulders of absolutely everyone. Total taxes in Russia reach 80%. Income, social, which employers supposedly pay, VAT, real estate tax, all kinds of excise taxes and “platons”, which you and I ultimately pay.
          1. -1
            28 March 2020 09: 40
            Knowing the capabilities of the Network - and in particular that you can log in from different IP addresses - I think that the administration itself will not be able to give a confident answer.
            So I asked about direct taxes. And regarding indirect ones, there is simply no need to generalize - otherwise one can say in this way that we are paying for, say, some air conditioners in some building of a local company just by visiting it, because we go there - and, accordingly, we force the owner of the company to create comfortable conditions for us to stay, and the purchase of this equipment costs rubles on the salaries of the employees of this company and, possibly, on ordinary visitors through a chain of indirect taxes. This is already tension without lubrication of the poor owl on the globe.
            1. -1
              28 March 2020 09: 59
              Quote: Nameless
              And regarding indirect ones, there is simply no need to generalize

              I already told you about the social tax - there are no eccentrics among entrepreneurs. 30% are underpaid. VAT 20%. 13% income tax. Already 63%. You pay excise tax on fuel directly at the gas station. And there is no need to exaggerate with air conditioners, although globally the cost of maintaining a building is, of course, included in the cost of the goods produced. But THIS IS NOT A TAX, but a cost.
              Regarding accounts, is my word of honor enough for you?
              1. -1
                28 March 2020 22: 51
                Evn and I had a controversy because he exclaimed about the multitude of taxes as if he paid them ALL directly, and they weighed an disproportionately heavy burden on his fragile, puny shoulders. In the end, this is an economy, everything in it is interconnected, like in an ecosystem of living nature, in which the destruction of one simple butterfly can give rise to the Butterfly effect.
                In any case, I get my salary in full - it’s a sin for me to complain about its size (no, well, of course you can have more - I don’t mind wink - only one horseradish money is needed just so as not to think about it), it’s quite enough for me to live on. And therefore I, as an honest taxpayer bully , I have nothing against the fact that in this way, as an indirect tax (from which deductions go for medicine, education, pensions, etc.), I replenish the state budget. In short, there is no need to make a mountain out of a mountain. And regarding air conditioners, this is just a rough example of how, if you don’t know the measures in meticulousness, you can take an idea to the point of absurdity.

                I am a person from a young age who was mercilessly hit in the back of the head with the wrench of life (E_V_N, here it is, your happiness once again showed your rudeness, being sarcastic at my comment - don’t miss it! laughing ), up to my nostrils in the shit and lightning thundering above my head, with one foot in the grave and the other in Hell - I don’t trust anyone or anything. All I trust is only myself, my mind, experience and instinct. I'm a lost soul... recourse laughing
        2. -1
          April 3 2020 01: 02
          Quote: Nameless
          It would be better if you, instead of logging in under other logins - otherwise I started the conversation with Axelbants, then E_V_N began to broadcast for him, and when he was blown away, you appeared - you would answer my questions directly.

          This suspicion is called paranoia. I just read your statement, disagreed with it and wrote, you began to get out. Ingvar 72 (Igor) I’ve seen here for a long time, but I’ve seen you only recently. And about the blown away, you clearly got excited, although you are no stranger to lying.
          Quote: Nameless
          And then our poor E_V_N exclaimed with bitterness how many taxes we have in our country, but did not say which ones specifically he pays - as if he were paying for business activities without being an entrepreneur, and so on.

          I said that the budget is formed from direct and indirect taxes and from the sale of minerals that previously belonged and I believe should belong to the people. There are no other sources and never will be.
          What am I wrong?
          1. 0
            April 3 2020 08: 30
            Maybe instead of another portion of attributing your lies to me and trying to roll me in the mud, you will finally answer for your words?

            This is called sanity when you know that the same person can log in under different accounts.

            Is giving answers now called twisting? Therefore, you would call my refutations of your classic myths about the USSR “propaganda of the enemy of the people” laughing ?

            Deflated? You are clearly deflated. For nothing comes from you except attempts to find in what I have written something to find fault with and make me out to be an incompetent person in a dispute, getting personal, rudeness, arrogance and attempts to confuse me or attribute to me something that I did not write - or even attribute at all me your actions. You are like a pathetic schoolboy who is trying to win a quail game with his peer and have the last word. You are a pathetic, insignificant person. In the words of one children’s writer, it turns out like this: “The pike strives in vain to pinch the bream - what a thing!” laughing . Moreover, they are also very naive, if you think that in this way you can piss me off or provoke me into doing something inappropriate - keep your pocket wider laughing tongue

            Quote: E_V_N
            Well, now medicine is paid and there are tons of taxes, and 40 million workers live below the poverty line, it wasn’t me who said it, but Deputy Prime Minister Golikova.
            - I’m talking about this exclamation of yours, and not about that part of our discussion where I had to prove to you that in addition to taxes in the form of housing and communal services or VAT, there are excise taxes, taxes on oil and gas revenues, and other things that you kept silent about.
            1. -1
              April 3 2020 13: 00
              Quote: Nameless
              For nothing comes from you except attempts to find in what I have written something to find fault with and make me out to be an incompetent person in a dispute, getting personal, rudeness, arrogance

              Quote: Nameless
              You are like a pathetic schoolboy who is trying to win a quail game with his peer and have the last word. You are a pathetic, insignificant person.

              These two pearls of yours are written in one paragraph. Well, who gets personal and is rude?
              Quote: Nameless
              Moreover, they are also very naive, if you think that in this way you can piss me off or provoke me into doing something inappropriate - keep your pocket wider

              Yes, you have lost your temper a long time ago, judging by the number of grammatical errors, you are nervous, so you are inappropriately rude. At such a young age and such a shaky nervous system.
              Quote: Nameless
              Quote: E_V_N
              Well, now medicine is paid and there are tons of taxes, and 40 million workers live below the poverty line, it wasn’t me who said it, but Deputy Prime Minister Golikova.
              - I’m talking about this exclamation of yours, and not about that part of our discussion where I had to prove to you that in addition to taxes in the form of housing and communal services or VAT there are excise taxes, taxes on oil and gas revenues and other things that you kept silent about.

              Do you disagree with me or Deputy Prime Minister Golikova?
              Firstly, housing and communal services are not a tax; they are payments for services to commercial organizations. You proved to me about taxes, I can’t laugh. You don’t understand this at all, as your dialogue with Ingvar 72 (Igor) proves.
              And I didn’t say anything about it, it’s stupid, do I constantly need to describe the entire tax code for you? I repeat, excise taxes are taken from the population, and taxes on oil and gas revenues are mineral extraction tax, which are taken from the extraction of minerals that the Government took away from the people during the collapse of the USSR. In essence, this is a payment for the use of public property.
              1. -1
                April 3 2020 23: 41
                Quote: E_V_N
                These two pearls of yours are written in one paragraph. Well, who gets personal and is rude?

                You better remember how you started the dialogue with me:
                Quote: E_V_N
                You're a weakling, it's better to remain silent, of course you won't become smart, but you won't immediately show your insides

                ... and don’t whine now that they are talking to you in your filthy language!

                Quote: E_V_N
                Yes, you have lost your temper a long time ago, judging by the number of grammatical errors, you are nervous, so you are inappropriately rude. At such a young age and such a shaky nervous system.

                Yes, yes, another portion of attempts to find fault with spelling errors! laughing And even something new - an attempt to diagnose my nervous system! laughing

                Quote: E_V_N
                Do you disagree with me or Deputy Prime Minister Golikova?

                I already told you about this earlier:
                Quote: Nameless
                According to Rosstat data for 2019, 14.3% of the Russian population (20,4 million people) lived below the poverty line. You inflated the estimate by 2 times (!), and besides, not only did you hide behind the Deputy Prime Minister (!!), but you also slandered her (!!!) - she never spoke about 40 (!!!!) million compatriots: it has the same numbers as Rosstat.
                I lack all the richness of the Russian language to describe what a vile entity you are.


                Quote: E_V_N
                Firstly, housing and communal services are not a tax; they are payments for services to commercial organizations.

                Does that mean that organizations that provide housing and communal services do not pay tax on this?

                Quote: E_V_N
                And I didn’t say anything about it, it’s stupid, do I constantly need to describe the entire tax code for you?

                Do you think I’m a telepath so I can know what you meant there but decided not to write?

                Quote: E_V_N
                I repeat, excise taxes are taken from the population, and taxes on oil and gas revenues are mineral extraction tax, which are taken from the extraction of minerals that the Government took away from the people during the collapse of the USSR. In essence, this is a payment for the use of public property.

                Well, well, sing, neo-Stalinist bird, sing! laughing
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                  April 8 2020 11: 38
                  Quote: Nameless
                  ... and don’t whine now that they are talking to you in your filthy language!

                  I actually speak Russian, if it’s “” for you, go to a country with a honey language.
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                    April 9 2020 23: 29
                    So Russian can be different! There is the Great and Mighty, resulting from a cultural exchange with the Tatar-Mongols - the so-called “Nakh and Zakh” (Mayakovsky also loved to indulge in him - “I live in Paris like a dandy”). There is the one on which Pushkin, Essenin, Severyanin worked. You spoke some rough variety of it, intended for rudeness and insults.
  94. -2
    28 March 2020 08: 59
    Quote: E_V_N
    A private alternative... business, well, selling higher education diplomas for money, knowledge cannot be bought, you understand, what did you buy your diploma for?

    A private alternative is an alternative to public institutions, financed not from the budget, but from the pocket of a private individual and from student contributions. And there are very few such establishments in the country. You again tried to jump onto another plane - I see for you breaking through the bottom has become your favorite pastime.
  95. -2
    28 March 2020 09: 22
    Quote: Ingvar 72

    Is this not enough for a superpower with the world's largest reserves of natural resources?

    Yes, not much - about 15% is not enough. This is not 50% or even 30% to allow us to talk about total and widespread poverty. Great Britain is at a similar level to us.
  96. -1
    28 March 2020 09: 33
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    1) The quality of this “budget” medicine is falling every day.
    2) It is very conditional on a budget, because... Each employee’s salary includes a deduction for healthcare. 3,4% in my opinion.
    3) Local doctors brazenly demand gratitude, and at a price.


    1). The statement about the quality of budgetary medicine is exactly the same as the statement of the “fighters against the regime” that in Russia things are getting worse and worse every day - the classic “the boss has lost everything.” So I’ll just let you ignore this attack.
    2). Well? Taxes are deducted from salaries, taxes go to the budget, payments for state employees, education and other things are made from the budget. Where did I say wrong?
    3). Are you talking about port wine as a thank you? No one is stopping you from sending such a doctor somewhere far away and then reporting this to the appropriate place - so that he will no longer be able to demand anything beyond what is required.
  97. -1
    28 March 2020 09: 47
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    all kinds of excise taxes

    This is just as an example, I took this as a quote: do you propose to abolish the excise tax so that alcohol producers would drive out fusel and burnt alcohol, and tobacconists would make cigarettes from crushed oak bark impregnated with waste? An excise tax is a kind of license issued by the state to the manufacturer of such products. Without it, all this is illegal, and to get it, you have to pay a tax. So it's for the benefit of the consumer.
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      April 3 2020 00: 48
      Quote: Nameless
      Do you propose to abolish the excise tax so that alcohol producers drive away fusel and burnt alcohol, and tobacconists make cigarettes from crushed oak bark impregnated with waste? An excise tax is a kind of license issued by the state to the manufacturer of such products. Without it, all this is illegal, and to get it, you have to pay a tax. So it's for the benefit of the consumer.

      Quote from Wiki
      "Excise tax (French accise, from Latin accido - cut off) is an indirect tax imposed at the time of production on consumer goods (tobacco, wine, etc.) within the country (in contrast to customs duties, which have the same function, but at goods delivered from abroad, i.e. from other countries).Included in the price of goods or tariff for services and thereby actually paid by the consumer"
      As you can see, the excise tax is not a license, but a tax, only indirect, included in the price and paid by the consumer.
      As always, in your repertoire, about the ringing and where did you hear it?
      What do you think gasoline will be made from? The excise tax there is also 60%.
      1. -1
        April 3 2020 01: 08
        And in order to receive excise tax, you must first obtain a license. Therefore, when we talk about akiza, we mean a license. It's simple - but for you, as always, it all comes down to attempts to compromise.
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          April 3 2020 13: 07
          Quote: Nameless
          And in order to receive excise tax, you must first obtain a license. Therefore, when we talk about akiza, we mean a license.

          Firstly, not an excise tax, but an excise tax.
          Secondly, what license are we talking about? For the production of alcohol and tobacco or its sale? What license is issued for the production of gasoline and what license does the owner of a gas station receive? Gasoline is also an excisable product.
          Thirdly, you avoided answering what will gasoline be made from if the excise tax on it is abolished?
          Fourthly, in case of violation, what is the excise tax taken away - a tax or a license?
          I don't know what your brain means, but you are clearly confused in your readings.
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            April 3 2020 23: 58
            Quote: E_V_N
            Firstly, not an excise tax, but an excise tax.

            We started with another banal approach regarding spelling errors... we went low - to the rain... laughing

            Quote: E_V_N
            Secondly, what license are we talking about? For the production of alcohol and tobacco or its sale

            Both are important. I don’t know what is needed to produce gasoline, because I didn’t study for that. The queen of the gas station, however, will need a license to store and sell fuel, and probably to operate the gas station as a fire hazardous facility.

            Quote: E_V_N
            Thirdly, you avoided answering what will gasoline be made from if the excise tax on it is abolished?

            Where did I propose to abolish the excise tax on gasoline? However, you are a dreamer!

            Quote: E_V_N
            Fourthly, in case of violation, what is the excise tax taken away - a tax or a license?

            In case of violation by whom - the manufacturer of alcohol, tobacco or the owner of the gas station? Please check. I can immediately speak for the gas pump operator - if his pump does not meet fire safety requirements, his license may be suspended.

            Quote: E_V_N
            I don't know what your brain means, but you are clearly confused in your readings.

            You better worry about yourself - no matter how confused you are during the investigation... winked
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              April 8 2020 12: 07
              Quote: Nameless
              Quote: E_V_N
              Firstly, not an excise tax, but an excise tax.

              We started with another banal approach regarding spelling errors... we went low - to the rain...

              If you wrote “excise duty” once, it would be considered a mistake, I already know that you write illiterately and justify it as haste, but you used the word “excise duty” several times and never once wrote “excise tax” correctly. It’s just annoying to the ears .
              Quote: Nameless
              Quote: E_V_N
              Secondly, what license are we talking about? For the production of alcohol and tobacco or its sale

              Both are important. I don’t know what is needed to produce gasoline, because I didn’t study for that.

              Are you getting out? A license is not needed for the production of alcohol, only for sale. You wrote that without the “excise tax” palenque will be produced and sold. It is produced and sold by different legal entities. It makes no sense for a legal Manufacturer to produce palenka; he already has a decent profit; despite the license, the trade in palenka “dabbled” in spite of the introduced excise tax stamps. Now they have introduced end-to-end accounting of excise stamps from production to sale, so there will be a problem with left stamps.
              Excise tax is an indirect tax, so it has nothing to do with licensing, and all this dancing is so that they do not sell illegal alcohol without paying taxes to the treasury.
              Quote: Nameless

              Quote: E_V_N
              Thirdly, you avoided answering what will gasoline be made from if the excise tax on it is abolished?

              Where did I propose to abolish the excise tax on gasoline? However, you are a dreamer!

              No, you didn’t propose to abolish excise taxes, you said that the excise tax was intended to prevent alcohol from being diverted.
              Quote: Nameless
              Do you propose to abolish the excise tax so that alcohol producers drive away fusel and burnt alcohol, and tobacconists make cigarettes from crushed oak bark impregnated with waste?

              So I ask, since you think that without the Tax (excise duty) they will drive out “fusel milk” and sell “bark soaked in mining”, then what will gasoline be made of without excise tax? So do you understand the question?
              Quote: Nameless
              I can immediately speak for the gas pump operator - if his pump does not meet fire safety requirements, his license may be suspended.

              What do excise taxes and fire safety have to do with it? Don't sidetrack the conversation.
              I specifically asked, since you claim that excise tax = licenses, then in case of violation, what is the excise tax or the license taken away?
              1. +1
                April 9 2020 23: 19
                Quote: E_V_N
                If you wrote “excise duty” once, it would be considered a mistake, I already know that you write illiterately and justify it as haste, but you used the word “excise duty” several times and never once wrote “excise tax” correctly. It’s just annoying to the ears .

                Yes, to be honest, it doesn’t matter to me what impression I make on my interlocutor. I write as I want. And in general: “I’m tired of writing to you with my hand, writing with my foot - that’s my choice. My foot, full of courage, slides either on the ground or on the paper.” laughing

                Quote: E_V_N
                Are you getting out? A license is not needed for the production of alcohol, only for sale.

                Either you are mistaken, or, as always, you are deliberately deceiving yourself - it doesn’t matter anymore. In any case, everything is not as you write - a license is required to produce alcohol in Russia
                https://znaipravo.com/litsenzirovanie/v-biznese/poluchenie-litsenzii/alkogolnaya-litsenziya/na-proizvodstvo.html

                Quote: E_V_N
                What do excise taxes and fire safety have to do with it? Don't sidetrack the conversation.
                I specifically asked, since you claim that excise tax = licenses, then in case of violation, what is the excise tax or the license taken away?

                Well, why did you ask me about the gas station attendant when we were talking about tobacco and alcohol? You yourself took the conversation in a different direction and now you want to turn the arrows on me?

                Quote: E_V_N
                You wrote that without the “excise tax” palenque will be produced and sold. It is produced and sold by different legal entities. It makes no sense for a legal Manufacturer to produce palenka; he already has a decent profit; despite the license, the trade in palenka “dabbled” in spite of the introduced excise tax stamps. Now they have introduced end-to-end accounting of excise stamps from production to sale, so there will be a problem with left stamps.
                Excise tax is an indirect tax, so it has nothing to do with licensing, and all this dancing is so that they do not sell illegal alcohol without paying taxes to the treasury.

                I will now describe to you again what I meant - I will describe it in more detail than before: when we look at a bottle of strong alcohol and see a tax stamp on it, we understand that this alcohol is licensed, that the state has allowed the manufacturer to produce and sell its products because it (the product) meets state requirements. Hence the logical chain: we see the excise stamp on the bottle -> we understand that this alcohol is licensed and legal -> we understand that it can be relatively safe to consume, because once the manufacturer has received a license, it means that he has satisfied the state requirements in terms of quality and other things. So here our thoughts converge.
                The issue of counterfeit tax stamps is another topic.

                Quote: E_V_N
                So I ask, since you think that without the Tax (excise duty) they will drive out “fusel milk” and sell “bark soaked in mining”, then what will gasoline be made of without excise tax? So do you understand the question?

                To tell the truth, I have absolutely no interest in how gasoline could be counterfeited.
  98. -1
    April 3 2020 00: 58
    Quote: E_V_N
    As always, in your repertoire, about the ringing and where did you hear it?

    Why are you suddenly attributing your repertoire to me now? Have you forgotten how loudly you farted into the puddle with your statements that I was referring to the Yeltsin constitution?
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      April 3 2020 13: 11
      Quote: Nameless
      Why are you suddenly attributing your repertoire to me now? Have you forgotten how loudly you farted into the puddle with your statements that I was referring to the Yeltsin constitution?

      Poor fellow, I showed you in your own words about your Yeltsin constitution, so you can write about farts as much as you like, it will not cancel your incompetence.
      1. -1
        April 3 2020 22: 09
        Once again, for those especially gifted: where did I refer to the Yeltsin Constitution? Proof to the studio!
  99. 0
    April 3 2020 08: 42
    Quote: E_V_N
    I said that the budget is formed from direct and indirect taxes and from the sale of minerals that previously belonged and I believe should belong to the people.

    And don’t dare take credit for my words about direct and indirect taxes! You can keep the part that belongs to the “people” for yourself.
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      April 3 2020 13: 14
      Quote: Nameless
      And don’t dare take credit for my words about direct and indirect taxes! You can keep the part that belongs to the “people” for yourself.

      Also, am I supposed to “not dare”? Have you completely lost your mind?
      I repeat once again, all taxes are withdrawn from the population, no matter how the sources of collection are masked. Any country has nowhere to get resources from other than its own population, so don’t pull the wool over people’s ears.
      1. 0
        April 3 2020 22: 10
        Quote: E_V_N
        Also, am I supposed to “not dare”? Have you completely lost your mind?
        I repeat once again, all taxes are withdrawn from the population, no matter how the sources of collection are masked. Any country has nowhere to get resources from other than its own population, so don’t pull the wool over people’s ears.

        You understood me correctly. But you, apparently, decided to go to the end and be true to the proverb “the grave will straighten the hunchback.”
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          April 8 2020 12: 09
          Quote: Nameless
          You understood me correctly. But you, apparently, decided to go to the end and be true to the proverb “the grave will straighten the hunchback.”

          What did I understand correctly?
          Unfortunately, even the grave won’t fix you, it’s a very advanced case.
          1. +1
            April 9 2020 22: 25
            You better tell me one thing: do you like baths? Well, it’s like in the song: “Oh bathhouse, bathhouse, bathhouse, you’re crimson hot”? Not?lol

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