Dresden bombardment: how the British and Americans annihilated the capital of Saxony


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For most of the war, the city of Dresden existed quite calmly. We can say in "resort" conditions - while aviation Hamburg devastated the allies and bombed Berlin, the capital of Saxony lived peacefully.

Dresden, of course, was bombed several times, but as if resembling it and not very seriously. The attitude to the bombing in the city was so frivolous, and the losses were so moderate that in Dresden there was an active trade in fragments of bombs - they say, there will be a souvenir, as well as what to tell grandchildren. The city "hurt" so easily that entertaining excursions were arranged on the bombing sites.

The reason for this was geography. Dresden is located in the depths of German territory - it is difficult to reach from both England and the Mediterranean Sea. No, it’s possible, of course, to fly, but it’s not easy, especially with a large group. Fuel for long navigational thoughts is not enough, and there are many large cities with impressive air defense along the way - no, no, but someone will be brought down along the way. Well, on the way back, too.

Dresden bombardment: how the British and Americans annihilated the capital of Saxony

As you can see, reaching Dresden is not so easy

But by the beginning of 1945 the situation had changed. The bombers received an order - in anticipation of demonstrating support for the Eastern Front. Sending hefty “Lancaster” and “Flying Fortresses” to bomb accumulations of equipment and individual objects was stupid. And then they decided to work on something large - for example, a transport hub. And while not yet seriously attacked, Dresden was a pretty obvious choice.

Hands from the right place


Fortunately, the order coincided with the growth of the capabilities of the bombers. At the very beginning of the war, the same British in the bombing business reigned complete confusion and vacillation. The situation when each crew was given a separate task, and he independently chose the route, was normal. In such circumstances, it was not easy to simply hit a target like a “big city” with a bomb - after all, the British, unlike the Americans, flew at night, when there was less chance of being shot down.

In the arrows, they generally recruited anybody — any airport personnel, and almost civilians among the acquaintances of the latter.

After some time, the command grabbed his head and streamlined the bombing process. They began to select the best crews that most accurately reached the target, leading the rest out there. To increase the effect, they threw incendiary "bomb markers" indicating the area to be bombed.


Lancaster Bomber

The Germans, however, quickly found themselves, lighting their markers somewhere outside the city in order to confuse the bombers. But this was answered by a whole system of signals - “pathfinders” (“pioneers”), dropping “markers”, carefully monitored the enemy’s activities and marked false targets, firing rockets of different colors.

By the beginning of 1945, British aviation was at the peak of its form — it had the necessary material parts — that is, a lot of four-engined Lancaster cars. And experience - the organization of raids over the years of the war did not even take a step, but just soared above itself.

And the Germans, who had already managed to get a lot of clutches firmly, looked unimportant. The exploded industry could no longer produce everything necessary, observation posts for raid alerts in some Northern France were lost along with the latter. From a distant complex goal, Dresden turned into a very promising point of application of efforts.

Hell fire


The incendiary bombs widely used in raids were scary weapons. Of course, they worked best in Japan, where the cities were a mishmash of wood and paper — the streets were narrow and the fires spread well.

But in "stone" Germany, lighters had something to hit. If you throw them a lot and tightly in many places at once, you could cause a real fiery tornado. Many neighboring areas where cold and heated air collided caused a series of fiery vortices.

Sometimes people who carelessly went out into the open space, for example, the center of a wide street, were simply picked up by the air stream and thrown into the fire. As if with a powerful invisible hand - witnesses of this kind were hardly destined to forget this. In all this raging horror, it was absolutely impossible to save someone - all that was left was to hide in the basements and pray that you were somewhere near the edge of the raging fire zone, and not in its center.


Dresden after a triple raid in February 1945

True, sometimes it was possible to save. There was one dangerous, but effective way - the “water alley”. Firefighters pulled up many, many sleeves, and literally made their way through the fire. So it was possible to advance along some wide street for kilometers. It all depended on the uninterrupted supply of water - if something went wrong, firemen moving through the fire hell would fall into the trap and inevitably die.

Risk was not just. Fire tornadoes did not occur so often (it was necessary to bomb very well and harmoniously), but when they happened, it was a huge problem. First of all, for people gathered in bomb shelters - they slowly died from suffocation. And they could be saved only by punching the road with "water alleys."

Judgment Day


Dresden did not manage to smash apart the Yalta Conference - the weather prevented. But this did not save the city - the goal was really interesting, and the preparations for the operation consumed resources, not to cancel after all.

The first wave of British "Lancaster" appeared over the city at 22 hours on February 13, 1945. The stars in the sky of the pilots converged perfectly, so most of the bombs hit the target - that is, it fell within the city. Multiple fires spread across Dresden.

Hearing on the air cries of “help, kill”, firemen rushed into the city from almost all of Saxony. The roads in the Reich were not bad, the area is not so big, and they managed to arrive quickly. Just to get hit by the second wave of “Lancaster” and exit the game. Further, the city burned on its own, without serious attempts to extinguish it, especially since the very fiery tornado began there, putting an end to any attempts to do at least something with limited forces.

And so as not to seem small, at noon, ten hours later, the Americans arrived. "Flying Fortresses" congratulated the population of Dresden on Valentine's Day, dumping bombs on the city. True, they were far from British successes - in the daytime there was disgusting foggy weather, and the lion's share of bombs hit anywhere. For all 3 waves, more than a thousand bombers took part in the case.

The year 1945 was in the yard, and there was no reason to expect serious opposition from the German air defense - the British and Americans lost only 20 aircraft, 16 heavy bombers and 4 fighters.

The burning and littered city for several weeks lost value as a transport hub - the supply of the Eastern Front, of course, did not stop, but became more complicated.

On the German side, many people died in Dresden. The bill goes at least tens of thousands. Most likely, it will never be possible to accurately calculate: in the capital of Saxony, by the time the bombing began, a horde of German refugees from the eastern lands of the Reich managed to accumulate. Estimates of losses among modern researchers fluctuate somewhere at the level of 25-35 thousand, although revisionist-minded publicists can talk about several thousand.


Bombing behind, Germans burn the bodies of the dead to prevent an epidemic

The civilian population of the city, of course, can and should be pitied. But it’s worthwhile to understand that the Germans themselves started this war, and were not distinguished by special humanism. The bombing of Stalingrad in August 1942 was no less terrible - and it is unlikely that any of the population of Dresden particularly lamented it.

After sowing a storm, the Germans reaped a fiery tornado. And paid for it in numerous stories like the Dresden bombing ...
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  1. bessmertniy 11 March 2020 06: 10 New
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    Dresden is simply the barbarism characteristic of our ancient worlds, when the special valor of the victors was to destroy and burn the cities of opponents and destroy or enslave their population. negative And these barbarians were our allies in the fight against fascism! request
    1. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 06: 36 New
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      If this bombing saved the life of at least one Soviet soldier (and the blow was inflicted both on the transport hub and on the mobilization potential of the enemy), then it is fully justified.
      1. bessmertniy 11 March 2020 06: 48 New
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        Here the bombing was unjustified. Much has been written about this, that militarily the city did not matter. At the same time, bombing could not have been carried out on him, but where the Nazis still really resisted, and those attacks could indeed save the lives of many of our soldiers and the allies themselves. And a city with beautiful architecture and cultural monuments would be whole, and that civilian population - old people, children, people with disabilities, etc. who at that time fell out of the mobilization of the Wehrmacht and ended up in houses and streets when they were totally destroyed.
        1. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 07: 03 New
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          First of all, they are the centers where the evacuees arrive. These are communication centers through which movement towards the Russian front and from the western front to the eastern one is carried out, and they are located close enough to the Russian front in order to continue the successful conduct of battles

          This is from a statement by a representative of the British Air Force to the press. And the Zeiss factory? And other military enterprises?
          The question is - what exactly could the Allies bomb to help Soviet troops and not bomb?
          1. 3x3zsave 11 March 2020 07: 41 New
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            Albert! hi
            they are located close enough to the Russian front is the key phrase. In my opinion, the destruction of Dresden is a demonstration of the strength and capabilities of the long-range aviation of the Allies precisely to the Soviet command.
            1. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 07: 47 New
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              Greetings Anton!
              Yes, absolutely right - including demonstration of the power of the English Air Force of the Red Army. Did this damage the Soviet troops? No. Did it bring any benefits - saved lives resulting from the failure of the German transport hub and the production of Zeiss optics? Of course. Therefore, I see no harm from the bombing of Dresden, nor from the destruction of Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WWII
              1. 3x3zsave 11 March 2020 08: 05 New
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                You know, I sometimes think that the absence at that time in the Red Army of long-range aviation, in any serious quantity, was a positive factor. For having such a trump card, it is impossible not to use it. Then they would not have laundered.
                1. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 08: 11 New
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                  Wouldn’t wash off from what? From losses among the German peacekeeper? Who didn’t give a damn about the destroyed Soviet non-men? I ask you ... and bombed Soviet trains with evacuated children? And the work of the bored Luftwaffe fighter jets on refugee colonies? Is that normal? If there was long-range aviation, then Soviet and Soviet would be added to the Amer and British bombing of industrial areas of Germany, and all sorts of Ploiesti that bombed the TB-3 at the beginning of the war would be erased. This could save the lives of many Soviet people.
                  1. 3x3zsave 11 March 2020 08: 16 New
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                    Do not start, please. I mean the information war, which we lost outright.
                    1. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 08: 24 New
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                      I do not get started)).
                      As for the information war - during the Cold War, the USSR used the fact of the bombing of Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a demonstration of the atrocities of the American military. This found a response among Western intellectuals and literals of all stripes, even anti-Soviet-minded. The Americans, to the quiet joy of the Germans, who were trying to make themselves victims of the war, talked about the mass wear of German women by Soviet soldiers. Which made no special impression on anyone. So, in general, the USSR won the information war - only this didn’t really help anyone.
                      1. 3x3zsave 11 March 2020 08: 33 New
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                        That's it, Pyrrhic victory
                      2. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 08: 40 New
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                        These are the costs of the socialist system, which had nothing to do with the information war.
                      3. 3x3zsave 11 March 2020 08: 59 New
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                        I think you're wrong here. The USSR did not have any elaborate propaganda strategy "for sale", even for the countries of the socialist camp. Otherwise, there would be no Budapest -56, Prague -68 and Warsaw-81.
                      4. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 09: 08 New
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                        It existed, it simply worked more successfully where Soviet socialism did not lead to a significant drop in the standard of living of the population. Budapest and Prague are vivid examples of this. Poland is a completely different story - national ambitions, etc.
                      5. Pane Kohanku 11 March 2020 10: 30 New
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                        Budapest and Prague are vivid examples of this.

                        EMNIP, in Budapest, during the uprising, many former Hungarian Army officers raised their heads. And there was a stream of "goodies" across the border with Austria.
                        The Americans, to the quiet joy of the Germans, who were trying to make themselves victims of the war, talked about the mass wear of German women by Soviet soldiers. Which made no special impression on anyone.

                        Then. And now? What does the young German generation think? hi
                        I bow to you for comments, and I don’t understand where so many minuses come from - I corrected karma. With respect, Nicholai
                      6. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 10: 42 New
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                        Greetings! hi
                        Cons from adherents of the Communist Party))
                        No one disputes that the events in Budapest carried a clearly fascist connotation - the population simply did not support them from scratch - this is the main problem.
                        And the young German generation - in Germany, the Americans controlled the educational system, making them sob at the lessons of history from the 5th, sort of, class. To be ashamed that they are Germans. The situation in the GDR is different - the bulk of the far-right youth is now there. But, as it seems to me, they all regret that they lost the war - no more. Well, they firmly believe in the massive wear and tear of Germans.
                        Thank you for karma! laughing
                      7. Pane Kohanku 11 March 2020 10: 49 New
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                        Thank you for karma!

                        I do not have time to edit. request I did not have time to answer - the minus has already slapped! laughing
                        And the young German generation - in Germany, the Americans controlled the educational system, making them sob at the lessons of history from the 5th, sort of, class. To be ashamed that they are Germans.

                        The main thing is that we are not forced to do so ... what
                      8. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 10: 52 New
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                        It will not be possible to force us like this anymore - something, but the Great Patriotic War did a tremendous job, thanks, incidentally, to Putin, a "beloved" by many forum users.
                      9. Pane Kohanku 11 March 2020 11: 02 New
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                        "beloved" by many forum users Putin.

                        then there would be no Kohl from Urengoy. The question is not in his words. The question is who sang it to him. Although with a general degradation of historical knowledge, when hamsters with iPhones are modestly sculpting a German bomber’s crew on May 9th poster, and a drawing of StG-44 on Kalashnikov’s monument .... No wonder! hi
                      10. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 11: 43 New
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                        Kolya from Urengoy (more precisely, who sang this nonsense to him) tried to adapt the modern European approach to the FIRST WORLD under the realities of the Second World War. The bulk of Russian youth - 99 percent - do not share his opinion hi
                      11. Pane Kohanku 11 March 2020 12: 10 New
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                        modern European approach to the FIRST WORLD under the reality of WWII

                        if so, then this is even more stupid.
                      12. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 18: 00 New
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                        Quote: Pan Kohanku

                        if so, then this is even more stupid.

                        So from a big mind this is not done)). hi
                      13. Pane Kohanku 11 March 2020 18: 03 New
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                        So from a big mind this is not done

                        for our deeply interpersonal discussion between you, Anton and me, they thrust a bunch of minuses. laughing but we talked peacefully drinks you start to appreciate good interlocutors ...
                      14. 3x3zsave 11 March 2020 22: 23 New
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                        Do not believe it! Something like this, I imagine the last night of the Second Lebanon War in the interpretation of A. Friedman: "Let me sleep, mad dogs !!!"
                      15. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 23: 35 New
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                        Something like that )))
                        Only the last three hours before the truce laughing
              2. 3x3zsave 11 March 2020 22: 54 New
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                tried to adapt the modern European approach to the FIRST WORLD under the reality of the Second World War.
                An interesting conclusion. What is it based on?
              3. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 23: 36 New
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                In Europe, World War I is perceived as GENERAL trouble
                The Second World War is different.
              4. Pane Kohanku 12 March 2020 09: 48 New
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                In Europe, World War I is perceived as a common misfortune

                in general, I think so. hi exactly.
              5. Krasnodar 12 March 2020 09: 51 New
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                Good morning, Nikolai! hi
                By and large - that still senseless meat grinder "on exhaustion".
      2. Alexey RA 11 March 2020 12: 56 New
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        Quote: Pan Kohanku
        and on the monument to Kalashnikov - a drawing of StG-44

        * boring voice: not a drawing of the StG-44, but an explosion diagram of its predecessor MKb 42 (H). smile
      3. Pane Kohanku 11 March 2020 13: 06 New
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        * boring voice

        Alex, boring counted! wink Well, that corrected. But this does not affect the fact that a whole generation of "designers" and "screenwriters" have been born who do not go into historical details. request
  2. Olgovich 11 March 2020 12: 42 New
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    Quote: Krasnodar
    Cons

    I would suggest the “minusers” mourning for the Germans to conduct a survey of the DREZDENTSEVs about whether they know about the STALINGRAD burned by them in one day on August 23, 1942, where almost TWICE more civilians burned down?

    PS For me, the result of the survey is obvious.

    It is regrettable that the peaceful Dresden died.

    But we cannot cry for them: we don’t have enough tears to mourn OUR 27 million compatriots killed by the Germans ....
  3. KVIRTU 11 March 2020 17: 10 New
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    I don’t really understand that, they themselves write: “For comparison, almost 21 American heavy bombers took part in the attacks on Nuremberg a few days later, on February 1. It cannot be said that Dresden somehow stands out in a series of raids”
  • Olgovich 11 March 2020 09: 40 New
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    Quote: bessmertniy
    Here the bombing was unjustified. Much has been written about this, that militarily the city did not matter.

    GERMANS themselves counted HUNDREDS of JUST DEFENSE military targets in Dresden, military production after the bombing was almost stopped.

    and more: Dresden it was third by significance the railway junction of Germany and single not yet bombed.

    And he got up after the bombing for several days. And this is the stopped transportation near Breslau, where there were terrible battles, to the Czech Republic, etc.

    Did it save the life of even one OUR soldier?

    Of course! So, justified.

    Peaceful died? Regrettably. But the author and Krasnodar are absolutely right:
    The civilian population of the city, of course, can and should be pitied. But it’s worthwhile to understand that the Germans themselves started this war, and were not distinguished by special humanism. The bombing of Stalingrad in August 1942 was no less terrible - and it is unlikely that any of the population of Dresden particularly lamented it.

    After sowing a storm, the Germans reaped a fiery tornado. And they paid for it with numerous stories like the Dresden bombing ...
  • gsev 28 May 2020 17: 55 New
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    Quote: bessmertniy
    Here the bombing was unjustified.

    In principle, before the landing in Normandy, bombing of German cities was never justified. For example, the Germans bombed the British three times more efficiently, that is, the Germans damaged the British with one ton of bombs, where the British needed 3 tons. The results from the actions of German aircraft against the cities of England are insignificant. At the same time, the effect of the German air strikes with the support of the ground forces from France to Stalingrad is undeniable. The costs of building long-range bombers and their operation exceeded the damage caused by these bombers if the strikes were aimed at protected air defense facilities. The Allies always during the bombardment sought to cause a fiery tornado. It happened once in Tokyo, Hiroshima, Dresden and Hamburg. There, most people died from the bombs. In Nagasaki, where the tornado didn’t work, there were fewer victims than with the tornadoes in these cities, that is, science until 1975 could not figure out how to bomb to make a fire tornado. There is an interesting book "Weapons and Hope" on this subject. In addition, the Soviet command then asked the allies to bomb the railway station in Dresden.
  • Looking for 11 March 2020 16: 42 New
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    and it turns out you are not a human being !!!
  • w70
    w70 11 March 2020 06: 53 New
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    Dresden was a major railway junction, after its destruction began the offensive of the Red Army
    1. bessmertniy 11 March 2020 06: 55 New
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      In order to disable the railway, there was no point in wiping the whole city off the face of the earth.
      1. Blackmokona 11 March 2020 07: 10 New
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        Had, if you just hit the railway track, then it will be restored immediately.
        And then dozens of factories of the military industrial complex were destroyed, heaps of soldiers, railway stations, etc.
        1. Diana Ilyina 11 March 2020 08: 26 New
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          Blackmokona
          Had, if you just hit the railway track, then it will be restored immediately.
          And then dozens of factories of the military-industrial complex were destroyed
          What are dozens of defense industry plants? There was no military-industrial complex in Dresden, except perhaps the Zeiss Optics Factory. I am in no way determined to spare the Germans, but the bombing of Dresden is a barbarity of pure water. There were several goals.
          First, do not give the Red Army a whole city.
          Secondly, to demonstrate to the Soviet leadership the capabilities of the Allied bombing aircraft, i.e. attempt to intimidate.
          Thirdly, to deprive the Red Army of a large transport hub.
          We would really like to help the USSR, would choose other more important goals, primarily large enemy military formations. This could really save the lives of many of our soldiers, and not the bombing of a peaceful city, which has no military significance, except for the transport hub. Which, by the way, was quickly restored. So the barbaric bombing of Dresden is an act of intimidation of the USSR and nothing more.
          1. bubalik 11 March 2020 08: 58 New
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            hi What are dozens of defense industry plants? There was no military-industrial complex in Dresden, belay minus you from me.
            1. Diana Ilyina 11 March 2020 09: 07 New
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              bubalik (Sergey)
              hi What are the dozens of defense plants? There was no military-industrial complex in Dresden, belay minus you from me.
              Well, you from me too! hi Where did you find the military-industrial complex in Dresden?
              According to the report of the Dresden police, compiled shortly after the raids, 12 thousand buildings burned down in the city. The report said that “24 banks, 26 buildings of insurance companies, 31 trading shops, 6470 stores, 640 warehouses, 256 trading floors, 31 hotels, 26 taverns, 63 administrative buildings, 3 theaters, 18 movie theaters, 11 churches, 60 were destroyed. chapels, 50 cultural and historical buildings, 19 hospitals (including auxiliary and private clinics), 39 schools, 5 consulates, 1 zoological garden, 1 water station, 1 railway depot, 19 post offices, 4 tram depots, 19 ships and barges. ” In addition, the destruction of military targets was reported: a command post in the Taschenberg Palace, 19 military hospitals and many less significant military service buildings. Almost 200 factories were damaged, of which 136 suffered serious damage (including several Zeiss optical companies), 28 - medium damage and 35 - small [22].
              19 military hospitals ?! This is your worthy goal for the bombing request ? Nude ...
              1. bubalik 11 March 2020 09: 15 New
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                Nearly 200 plants were damaged,, Well, yes, they stood next to them and they had nothing to do with, do you protect the fascists?
                1. Diana Ilyina 11 March 2020 09: 22 New
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                  And where is it said that these plants had military significance?
                  The US Air Force documents said: “British estimates ... conclude that 23% of industrial buildings and 56% of non-industrial buildings (not counting residential) were seriously damaged. Of the total number of residential buildings, 78 thousand are considered destroyed, 27,7 thousand are considered unsuitable for housing, but repairable, 64,5 thousand - received minor damage and repairable. This later estimate shows that 80% of city buildings were damaged to varying degrees and 50% of residential buildings were destroyed or seriously damaged. ”
                  Those. in fact, it was not industry that was destroyed, but the city itself. I repeat, I do not feel sorry for the Germans, but the bombardment of a city of no military value is the usual arrogant barbarism of Saxony, no different from the actions of the Nazi Nazis.
                  I don’t know how for you, but for me the Anglo-American “allies” are no better than the Germans, the same fiends.
                  1. Korax71 11 March 2020 20: 00 New
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                    [quote] Crimean conference. Recording of the meeting of the heads of government
                    February 4, 1945, 17 p.m., Livadia Palace
                    Roosevelt, asks someone to report on the situation on the Soviet-German front. Stalin replies that he can propose that the report be made by the deputy chief of the General Staff of the Red Army, Army General Antonov.
                    Antonov: "1. From January 12-15, Soviet troops launched an offensive at the front from the Neman River to the Carpathians with a length of 700 kilometers.
                    <...>
                    7. Possible actions of the enemy:
                    a) The Germans will defend Berlin, for which they will try to delay the advance of Soviet troops on the border of the Oder River, organizing defense here at the expense of the withdrawing troops and reserves transferred from Germany, Western Europe and Italy.
                    For the defense of Pomerania, the enemy will try to use his Courland group, throwing it over the Vistula by sea.
                    b) The Germans will possibly more firmly cover the Vienna direction, strengthening it at the expense of the troops operating in Italy.
                    8. The transfer of enemy troops:
                    a) On our front have already appeared:
                    from the central regions of Germany - 9 divisions
                    from the Western European Front - 6 divisions
                    from Italy - 1 division
                    ________________________________________
                    16 divisions
                    Are in transfer:
                    4 tank divisions
                    1 motorized division
                    ________________________________________
                    5 divisions.
                    b) It is likely that up to 30-35 divisions will be redeployed (due to the Western European front, Norway, Italy and the reserves located in Germany).
                    Thus, 35-40 divisions may additionally appear on our front. [Quote]
                    Is it necessary to write about more than 100 objects involved in the defense industry?
                    [quote] [/ quote] According to the USAF, in the first days after the raid, the Dresden military production potential fell by about 80%. Most of the railway stations, cargo terminals, depots and warehouses were either completely destroyed or damaged with varying degrees of severity. The Carolabrücke bridge over the Elbe is no longer passable. Other railway bridges (in particular, Marienbrücke, on which the incendiary bomb fell) were closed for a period of one to several weeks. Traffic on bridges was considered unsafe, plus many bridges were already mined, and the Germans were afraid of an accidental explosion. [Quote] [/ quote]
                2. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 09: 29 New
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                  There was also the chemical industry and aircraft factories and in general - At 110 enterprises of the city engaged in the production of military products, about 50 thousand people worked.
                  1. Diana Ilyina 11 March 2020 09: 35 New
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                    About 110 thousand people worked at 50 city enterprises engaged in the production of military products.
                    Where are the firewood from the OBS? Do not share the link to the fact that these are military enterprises?
                    1. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 09: 52 New
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                      Military historians do not question the legitimacy of the air strike on Dresden. It was a large transport hub through which German troops were withdrawn from Poland. There were also large factories and manufactories of the German military-industrial complex. About 110 thousand people worked at 50 city enterprises engaged in the production of military products. An air attack of such a center in the scale and rules of World War II was a common event. But when immersed in the details, nuances begin to appear.
                      https://www.google.ru/amp/s/iz.ru/export/google/amp/975441
                    2. Diana Ilyina 11 March 2020 09: 59 New
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                      A link to Google, it’s certainly strong, they could just as well link to the CIA website ... laughing Yes, and not working besides. Upon transition, throws pictures with flowers. That is, a clear answer to the fact that it is military factories, I apparently obviously can not wait? request
                    3. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 10: 22 New
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                      Google = CIA - in the spirit of socialist realism lol
                      Link without Google the CIA-shnogo and Mail.ru - Mossad fellow
                      https://iz.ru/975441/aleksei-isaev-vladislav-shurygin/ogni-drezdena-byla-li-neobkhodimost-v-unichtozhenii-goroda-v-kontce-voiny
                    4. Diana Ilyina 11 March 2020 10: 32 New
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                      Have you read what you refer to?
                      What was the purpose of the Allied raids? The formal answer is “railway facilities and factories”. The real one is that the command designated the goal of aviation connections as "the center of Dresden." This was precisely the aiming point for large masses of bombers.
                      In addition, it clearly says "Russian in white":
                      However, there was no request for strikes against Dresden from the Soviet side.
                      And what did you want to prove to me with this link? That Anglo-American killers are better than German?
                    5. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 10: 34 New
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                      Only this one:
                      Military historians do not question the legitimacy of the air strike on Dresden. It was a large transport hub through which German troops were withdrawn from Poland. There were also large factories and manufactories of the German military-industrial complex. About 110 thousand people worked at 50 city enterprises engaged in the production of military products. An air attack of such a center in the scale and rules of World War II was a common event. But when immersed in the details, nuances begin to appear.
                    6. Blackmokona 11 March 2020 13: 06 New
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                      I point blank do not understand how people know about the total mobilization of the German economy, about its complete transfer to military rails, about the country's total militarism. They may think that in Germany there is a large city that is not clogged to the top with military facilities and defense industry plants. belay
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                      Or that ANY product in wartime cannot but have military significance, albeit indirect
      2. 3x3zsave 11 March 2020 09: 55 New
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        Do you protect the fascists?
        Sergey, this level of controversy is not your style, I’m even upset.
        1. bubalik 11 March 2020 10: 01 New
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          ,, broke request
          1. 3x3zsave 11 March 2020 10: 09 New
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            It happens ... The main thing is not to enter the clinch. drinks
          2. Pane Kohanku 11 March 2020 10: 33 New
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            broke

            We take care of ourselves for discussion, Sergey! drinks
      3. Diana Ilyina 11 March 2020 10: 15 New
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        bubalik (Sergey)
        Do you protect the fascists?
        Where did you see this from me?
        And then, and who are you protecting? The same fascists under the Anglo-American flags? Do you really lack the mind to understand that it would be much more profitable for us to get Dresden intact and harmless? Even if we assume that there were military factories there, which no one convinced me of, would it not be more profitable for the USSR to get these factories together with equipment, which by the way, we mainly received reparations?
        Explain to me what specific benefit for us was in this bombing?
        1. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 10: 33 New
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          Simple - for two weeks the transport junction that transferred the Wehrmacht from the West to the Eastern Front did not work. A mobilization resource, including Volkssturm.
          Factories with equipment are more profitable. Only such a thing had already happened with the GDR - in Dresden, a not-so-bombed plant for the production of cobalt radiotherapy units, very advanced at that time, was restored. But - the planned economy and CMEA - in the USSR they decided to close this production in Dresden and shift it to the Czechs, who had never produced anything like this before. As a result, East Germans began to receive medical machines of such sloppy quality that they were forced to purchase exorbitantly and in small quantities the same equipment from the West. )) These are the damage to industry - moreover, direct and in peacetime laughing
          1. Alex_1973 11 March 2020 10: 44 New
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            Krasnodar
            Simple - for two weeks the transport junction that transferred the Wehrmacht from the West to the Eastern Front did not work.
            By February already there was nobody to throw over there, no need for this bullshit. But we really needed this node.
            Beaten Mobilization Resource
            What nafig mobresurs? Byby with children and the elderly?
          2. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 10: 46 New
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            There was something - in the first place.
            And lightly wounded from 19 hospitals and workers from defense plants and the entire male population aged 14 to 50 years. So do not have fairy tales. Secondly.
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            Quote: Alex_1973
            By February already there was nobody to throw over there, no need for this bullshit. But we really needed this node.

            Why do we need a transport hub in February, to which we reached only in May?
            And about "there is no one to throw" ... ours in February were afraid that German formations from the Hungarian front would appear near Berlin - the same 6 TA SS.
          4. bubalik 11 March 2020 11: 07 New
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            ,,, yeah, the Germans were able to massively transfer from the western front to the eastern armed forces (the total volume of the transfer was estimated to 42 divisions), as well as military equipment, ammunition and other military supplies, and at least make the Soviet attack much more bloody (sharply increasing Soviet losses) and restrain its advancement, and, most likely, the Soviet spring offensive would be drowned out ,,,
          5. Foul skeptic 11 March 2020 15: 15 New
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            the Germans were able to massly transfer from the western front to the eastern


            In Komarno from Koblenz do not get through Dresden)))
          6. Avior 12 March 2020 15: 59 New
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            Do you think trains only go in a straight line?
          7. Foul skeptic 12 March 2020 16: 33 New
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            In the winter, the 45th troops were transferred from the western front to the east through the railway junctions of Frankfurt and Nuremberg - from Koblenz to Komarno.
            The fact that this is a straight line on the map is most likely due to the fact that direct routes are preferable to non-direct ones with acceptable risks.
          8. Avior 12 March 2020 16: 42 New
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            The route of travel depends on many factors.
            from the need for transportation to the state and congestion of roads.
            draw a line on the map through Dresden and cross it out - that’s the explanation why they didn’t do so after the bombing of Dresden
          9. Foul skeptic 12 March 2020 16: 50 New
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            draw a line on the map through Dresden and cross it out - that’s the explanation why they didn’t do so after the bombing of Dresden

            How not to act? The transfer took place on February 8-12. That is, before the bombing.
          10. Avior 12 March 2020 16: 51 New
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            it is clear that after the bombing, the transfer through Dresden was no longer possible
          11. Foul skeptic 12 March 2020 17: 07 New
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            Yes, but 8-12 Dresden is functioning, and they are not transferring through it, but through Nuremberg. Probably because it’s easier, don’t find it. The point is that it is claimed here that the termination of the Dresden railway junction in the second half of February did not allow the transfer of reserves from the western front. Which is very controversial, because before that they were remarkably transported in a different way. Or is it just that there was something else to throw over Dresden? Maybe divisions from Italy through Dresden? Or from Norway blocked by our fleet and aviation? All that could be sent through Dresden — these were 15 divisions of the OKH reserve from Berlin — but with our troops near Kyustrin (100 km from the capital), naturally no one would go for it (and not go).
          12. Avior 12 March 2020 20: 55 New
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            transfer route depends on direction
            transport hub is an opportunity to maneuver troops, including along the front line.
            it is not clear what you are arguing about
  • ANB
    ANB 11 March 2020 16: 49 New
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    . transport junction transferring the Wehrmacht from the West to the Eastern Front

    . It was a large transport hub through which German troops were withdrawn from Poland.

    Inconsistency. So where did the troops move from?
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    “As of February 1945, there were at least 110 industrial enterprises in Dresden that were legitimate military objectives *.

    Only in the production of weapons 50 thousand people were employed. Among these enterprises are various capacities for the production of components for the aviation industry; poison gas factory (Chemische Fabric Goye); Lehman anti-aircraft and field guns factory; Germany's largest optical-mechanical company Zeiss Ikon AG **; as well as companies producing X-ray machines and electrical equipment (Koch u. Sterzel AG), gearboxes and differentials (Saxoniswerke) and electrical measuring instruments (Gebruder Bassler). "

    For the sake of one chemical weapon, Dresden should have been destroyed.
    Yes, still - a garrison of 12000 people and
    Besides the fact that he was one of the main bastions of the NSDAP, he was one of the key transit points in Germany, through which there were trains with soldiers and equipment. Dresden was also one of the leading military industrial centers and a garrison city. The German historian Moritz Hoffmann recalls in this connection: "Dresden was an important military point with significant administrative structures.

    1. Recall that one of the reasons that prompted Hitler to destroy Leningrad is “Leningrad is the cradle of revolution”.
    2. The destruction of the control centers of the enemy state is a priority. These are the basics of war. That is why, in the event of a nuclear war. Moscow is the first suicide bomber.
  • KVIRTU 11 March 2020 19: 33 New
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    There are 19 crowded inpatient hospitals, and this is every 3 to 500 people, sanitary trains at railway stations, field hospitals in the process of redeployment, the Germans themselves think so. And I should spare them, maybe I didn’t discuss with you which German would return to the front ...
  • Looking for 11 March 2020 16: 48 New
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    YOUR reasons are absolutely correct.
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    1. Yamato1980 11 March 2020 17: 18 New
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      And yes, the bombing of Dresden was justified, because a major transportation hub, this is what strategic aviation is for. The death of the civilian population is the cost of strategic bombing, there’s no getting away from it, they will in one case or another cancel the bombing only because there are residents in the city that contradict military logic.
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  • Alexey RA 11 March 2020 10: 54 New
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    Quote: bessmertniy
    In order to disable the railway, there was no point in wiping the whole city off the face of the earth.

    This is Harris’s RAF — they didn’t know how. Night bombing, even with targeting aircraft, gave a wild scatter of bombs, so those that were difficult to miss were chosen as targets.
    Well, the tactics for this, too, have developed the appropriate. Specifically, in Dresden, this is access to a characteristic landmark - the stadium, then the turn of each squadron to its own corner and the dropping of bombs after a certain time for each squadron. The goal is to plant the city with bombs as densely as possible without missing a single block.
    1. albert 11 March 2020 15: 15 New
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      Actually, the British bombed the city itself. The Americans bombed only the railway sorting station.
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      Quote: Alexey RA
      This is Harris’s RAF - they didn’t

      Harris studied fast. In 1940, he realized that the bombing of German cities during the day was stupid. The Americans, too, somewhere in the year 1943, learned to bomb German cities in the afternoon before landing in Normandy. With the advent of long-range fighters and the possibility of delivering more massive strikes, the Americans again mastered the daytime bombing of cities.
  • Blackmokona 11 March 2020 07: 09 New
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    You probably still cry over Berlin, which our curalized with a huge shaft of artillery.
    1. bessmertniy 11 March 2020 08: 03 New
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      The senseless destruction of cultural property, children, women and the elderly is not justified. Dresden is Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Europe. hi You have the right to justify it here at VO, but my assessment: Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki are war crimes. negative
      1. Krasnodar 11 March 2020 08: 14 New
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        Tokyo, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki - a parallel response to the policy of the Yap and Germans in relation to the English, Soviet, Chinese and Korean minnows. Cruel answer? Yes. Superfluous in those circumstances? Sure no!
        1. bessmertniy 11 March 2020 08: 18 New
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          I also doubt a lot. Everything in this world is raging. And in it there is a place for both a feat and a crime. And it is not always obvious that a real feat, and that a real crime. hi
  • spech 11 March 2020 06: 14 New
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    how do you imagine that?
    Firefighters pulled up many, many sleeves, and literally made their way through the fire. So it was possible to advance along some wide street for kilometers.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich 11 March 2020 06: 35 New
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    By the way, we returned the Dresden Gallery completely, and also restored. And who after this barbarians ???
  • Alexander Trebuntsev 11 March 2020 06: 42 New
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    Quote: bessmertniy
    Dresden is simply the barbarism characteristic of our ancient worlds, when the special valor of the victors was to destroy and burn the cities of opponents and destroy or enslave their population. And these barbarians were our allies in the fight against fascism!

    The Germans themselves launched such bombing. Now they say that they started by mistake, but then continued quite deliberately and with pleasure. Well, how much they bombed in the USSR, you can not even talk here. Got what they deserve. Very often, liberal human beings began to shed tears over the "innocently killed" Germans. Already, German soldiers in them in Russia died innocently ...
    By the way, in 1945 in the United States there were statements by very responsible authorities that after the war it was necessary to castrate the entire German male population. So to speak, humanely ending the Germans completely.
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      Quote: Alexander Trebutsev
      In 1945, in the United States there were statements by very responsible authorities that after the war it was necessary to castrate the entire German male population. So to speak, humanely ending the Germans completely.

      The Morgenthau plan is September 1944.
  • Jurkovs 11 March 2020 07: 19 New
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    No excuses. This is on a par with Hiroshima. Anglo-Saxons, wherever they are, always lead to war crimes against humanity.
  • Kot_Kuzya 11 March 2020 07: 20 New
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    What they sowed, they reaped. There is nothing to cry for the Germans. How many Soviet cities did they bomb and how many Soviet civilians were killed? Share!
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    Well done allies.
    Thanks to them for the bombing, land lease and convoys.
    All that victory came at least for a week, for a month and saved at least 1000,10000 lives of our grandfathers, I welcome.
    And non-cephalistic, universal human patriots may continue to cry.
  • DenZ 11 March 2020 08: 37 New
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    Bad syllable of writing an article. Unnecessary resourcefulness in the description of the “exploits” of the allied aviation gives the author an amateur of simple vidyashki on YouTube (a friend looks at his friend). Why is this? -
    Hearing on the air cries of “help, kill”, firemen rushed into the city from almost all of Saxony.
    So youngsters talk with peers and not write articles.
  • bubalik 11 March 2020 08: 42 New
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    ,,, I just can’t understand where these cliches come from request
    the bombing was carried out to intimidate the USSR
    ,,, this version is simply incomprehensible to me. What a thousand strategic bombers can do with the city became very clear after Hamburg in 1943. The Soviet leadership had all the British information about the results of that raid. Dresden was not new.
    They bombed the USSR to get nothing
    ,,, to take the same assault on Koenigsberg, which was not particularly necessary from a military point of view, where about half of the housing stock was demolished by artillery and aircraft a month before the end of the war. Was the military worried that this city would later enter the Soviet occupation zone? Unlikely.
    ,, The city was an extremely important transport junction in which three major railway lines converged: Berlin-Prague-Vienna, Munich-Breslau and Hamburg-Leipzig.
    ,,, in the first days after the raid, the Dresden military production potential fellapproximately 80%. Most of the railway stations, cargo terminals, depots and warehouses were either completely destroyed or damaged with varying degrees of severity. The Carolabrücke bridge over the Elbe is no longer passable. Other railway bridges were closed for a period of one to several weeks.

    ,,, by 1945 in the city there were up to 110 important factories and industrial facilities. In factories related to the production of military products, up to fifty thousand people worked. In particular, in Dresden were: distributed aircraft manufacturing, chemical weapons manufacturing (Chemische Fabric Goye & Company), X-ray equipment manufacturer (Koch & Sterzel AG), anti-aircraft and field artillery manufacturing (Lehman), perhaps the most important optical factory in Germany (Zeiss Ikon AG), and electrical and mechanical engineering companies (e.g. Gebruder Bassler and Saxoniswerke).

    SOVINFORMBYURO summary of May 8, 1945.

    ,,, The troops of the 1st UKRAINIAN front after two days of fighting broke the enemy’s resistance and on May 8 captured the city of DRESDEN - an important road junction and a powerful stronghold of the German defense in Saxony ,,,,

    ,,, Today, the troops of the 1st Ukrainian Front captured the city of Dresden. Two days ago, our reconnaissance units attacked the Germans northwest of Dresden and knocked them out of their fortified positions. Then the main Soviet forces entered the battle. Developing a rapid advance between the Elbe and Mulde rivers, our mobile units and infantry cut the Dresden-Chemnitz motorway. At the same time, our troops launched an assault on the city of Dresden - a powerful stronghold of the German defense. Soviet tankers advancing from the west, in a head-on battle, defeated a group of enemy tanks and broke into the western outskirts of Dresden. Our other parts captured the northern part of the city, crossed the river Elbe from the course and started fighting in the center of Dresden. After two days of fighting, our troops broke the enemy’s resistance and captured Dresden, the main city of Saxony. In the battles for Dresden, the Nazis inflicted heavy losses. Up to two thousand German soldiers and officers were destroyed on the western outskirts of the city alone, 27 enemy tanks and armored personnel carriers were destroyed.
    Dresden is a large industrial center in Germany. It has aircraft manufacturing, weapons, engineering, chemical and other plants. In Dresden, there were more than 600 thousand inhabitants.


    According to German police, on March 22, 1945, as a result of the bombing, 18 people were found dead in the city. In the period after the bombing until March 375, 31, 1945 people were buried. By 22, another 096 corpses were found during construction work. The current German casualty estimate is approximately 1970.
    1. bubalik 11 March 2020 08: 43 New
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      ,,, and so what are worn with Dresden?
      ,,, more than in Dresden, the percentage of the population in one raid was killed in Darmstadt and Kassel; more victims were in Hamburg.
      ,, a list of cities in which the area of ​​destruction amounted to 50% or more of the total area of ​​buildings (i.e. more than in Dresden):
      50% - Ludwigshafen, Worms
      51% - Bremen, Hannover, Nuremberg, Remscheid, Bochum
      52% - Essen, Darmstadt
      53% - Cochem
      54% - Hamburg, Mainz
      55% - Neckarsulm, Zoest
      56% - Aachen, Münster, Heilbronn
      60% - Erkelenz
      63% - Wilhelmshaven, Koblenz
      64% - Bingerbrück, Cologne, Pforzheim
      65% - Dortmund
      66% - Crailsheim
      67% - Gisen
      68% - Hanau, Kassel
      69% - Duren
      70% - Altenkirchen, Bruchsal
      72% - Geilenkirchen
      74% - Donauworth
      75% - Remagen, Würzburg
      78% - Emden
      80% - Prüm, Wesel
      85% - Xanten, Zulpich
      91% - Emmerich
      97% - Julich

      Also, the bombing of Dresden was not an exceptional occurrence either in the dropped bomb tonnage or in the number of aircraft involved in this.
      1. bubalik 11 March 2020 08: 55 New
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        ,,, and for those who pity the "poor" Germans with their beautiful architecture and cultural monuments, check out Compilation of reports by the Extraordinary State Commission on the atrocities of the Nazi invadersOGIZ State Publishing House Political Literature M. 1946 about what they did.

        He who sows the wind will reap the storm.(C)
      2. 3x3zsave 11 March 2020 09: 10 New
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        Sergei hi
        Worn, because - an information fetish. Coventry is also rushing, only on the other side of the confrontation.
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          ,,, people just have some cliche. fool
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        and so that with Dresden rush?

        because Dresden ended up in the Soviet zone of occupation
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        Quote: bubalik
        Also, the bombing of Dresden was not an exceptional occurrence either in the dropped bomb tonnage or in the number of aircraft involved in this.

        A fiery tornado turned people to ashes even in a bomb shelter. There was simply no one to bury. The high-explosive action of the bombs dropped on Dresden was comparable to any other city, but weather conditions launched a fiery tornado.
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      Quote: bubalik
      this version is simply incomprehensible to me. What a thousand strategic bombers can do with the city became very clear after Hamburg in 1943. The Soviet leadership had all the British data on the results of that raid. Dresden was not new.


      Moreover, much LESS bombs were dropped on him (and several times, too) than on many other large cities_Munich, Dusseldorf, etc.
      Quote: bubalik
      the city was an extremely important transport junction, in which three major railway lines converged: Berlin-Prague-Vienna, Munich-Breslau and Hamburg-Leipzig.

      THIRD in the Reich and the ONLY not bombed, yes!
      Quote: bubalik
      The current German casualty estimate is approximately 25.

      In Stalingrad for the only scary day 23 August 1942 g were burned by Nazi bombs from 40 to 70 thousand people !!!

      WHO, besides us, in the world remembers and knows this?

      NONE!

      You are right, Sergey, in everything
  • Zaurbek 11 March 2020 09: 06 New
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    They burned the city more or less, the Germans still easily got off in comparison with what they did with the civilian population (even separately in the USSR). And the great German happiness is that the country of Germany and the Germans remained as a nation.
  • Ruby 11 March 2020 09: 20 New
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    I think it’s not worth it to lament so much about the fate of the German and Japanese cities that the Allies burned. For both Germans and Japanese, if they had such an instrument as strategic aviation, they would not have been tempted to use it for the same purposes. Do not forget about the bombing of our, English, Chinese cities. The consequences were not so serious, only from the fact that this was done all by much smaller forces.
    And didn’t anyone really think that if the Germans made an atomic bomb, they would not have used it.
    1. Pane Kohanku 11 March 2020 11: 22 New
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      Chinese cities.

      somehow somehow everyone forgot about the Chinese. Although there, even without bombing, there were enough "fancies". For example, a competition among two Japanese people on who cuts off more goals to the Chinese ... hi
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    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    bubalik (Sergey)
    hi What are the dozens of defense plants? There was no military-industrial complex in Dresden, belay minus you from me.
    Well, you from me too! hi Where did you find the military-industrial complex in Dresden?
    According to the report of the Dresden police, compiled shortly after the raids, 12 thousand buildings burned down in the city. The report said that “24 banks, 26 buildings of insurance companies, 31 trading shops, 6470 stores, 640 warehouses, 256 trading floors, 31 hotels, 26 taverns, 63 administrative buildings, 3 theaters, 18 movie theaters, 11 churches, 60 were destroyed. chapels, 50 cultural and historical buildings, 19 hospitals (including auxiliary and private clinics), 39 schools, 5 consulates, 1 zoological garden, 1 water station, 1 railway depot, 19 post offices, 4 tram depots, 19 ships and barges. ” In addition, the destruction of military targets was reported: a command post in the Taschenberg Palace, 19 military hospitals and many less significant military service buildings. Almost 200 factories were damaged, of which 136 suffered serious damage (including several Zeiss optical companies), 28 - medium damage and 35 - small [22].
    19 military hospitals ?! This is your worthy goal for the bombing request ? Nude ...

    Diana, are you from Urengoy?
    I know about the bombing of Dresden not from what was written on paper, but from the stories of my mother and grandfather. The question is, what could they do there (residents of Minsk) at that time (if there were no military factories there) ???
  • Boratsagdiev 11 March 2020 11: 51 New
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    "Estimates of losses among modern researchers fluctuate somewhere around 25-35 thousand" - every year less and less ...
    Once they wrote about 100-150 thousand.
    About 50 years later they will write that everyone was evacuated and no one was killed.
    Sadness.
  • bars1 11 March 2020 12: 15 New
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    Angosaxians did the right thing, avenged themselves, not wanting it for our cities destroyed by German aviation. But these destroyed Fritzes joyfully zigged and rejoiced when they bombed Kiev, Leningrad, Staligrad and other cities, you will not list all. I’m not sorry at all! And only a geek can sympathize with them
  • Foul skeptic 11 March 2020 13: 36 New
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    For some reason, no one thinks that 20% of the German workforce in 1945 are prisoners of concentration camps. Most from the East.
    I won’t say the exact number in Dresden, But only Zeiss, Radio-Mende, JC Müller Universelle-Werk, Bernsdorf & Co. more than 3 thousand of our people worked. Therefore, we can only speculate about our soldiers saved in a presumptive manner, but our prisoners quite definitely died during the bombing.

    Commentators postulate about undermining military potential is confirmed by only one text, which is taken from various sources, but the primary source of which is the post-war report of the American Institute
    Dresden was, in February 1945, known to contain at least 110 factories and industrial enterprises that were legitimate military targets, and were reported to have employed 50,000 workers in arms plants alone. 8 Among these were dispersed aircraft components factories; a poison gas factory (Chemische Fabric Goye and Company); an anti-aircraft and field gun factory (Lehman); the great Zeiss Ikon AG, Germany's most important optical goods manufactory; and, among others, factories engaged in the production of electrical and X-ray apparatus (Koch and Sterzel AG), gears and differentials (Saxoniswerke), and electric gauges (Gebruder Bassler) .9

    10. Specific military installations in Dresden in February 1945 included barracks and hutted camps and at least one munitions storage depot.

    And here we must understand that in order to get the number 110, the list included absolutely everything that can be conditionally called related to the defense industry (therefore, they did not write a complete list of enterprises). For example, the production of cigarettes, which were supplied to soldiers or typewriters, which were used in the admin apparatus of the Wehrmacht and Reich. Koch and Sterzel AG, mentioned in the report, - the department that produced instrumentation (voltmeters there are all kinds of other things), which were used for military purposes as well, didn’t fall under bombardment at all, the department that worked on the experimental radiographic unit that didn’t have military value. Zeiss Ikon AG in Dresden did not produce sights, stereo tubes, binoculars, etc. Even in wartime, they made cameras, the use of which for military purposes is easy to find, but in the winter of 45 it did not matter anymore. Zeiss optics of a purely military purpose was produced in Jena. Regarding Lehman, I could not find any open information at all on English or German-speaking resources, except for the mention in the semi-artistic book or the already mentioned report of the Americans. The impact on the defense of Germany by Dresden’s enterprises in the winter of 45 seems to me to be greatly exaggerated - there was no oil (and thanks to allies for this) and alloying elements, everything else without these two factors is not working, it makes no sense to release radio stations for aviation that does not fly into the air and like that.
    The aforementioned barracks with the military were in the north on the outskirts and did not fall under fire either.
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      Was it railway or not? Maybe there and the railway junction is also mostly not for military purposes? laughing
      In general, it was only that the Allies barely, barely shrugged off the Ardennes offensive and the main task was to prevent the Germans from undertaking something similar, but how to do it, to properly hammer the aircraft through the transport system. And they did it very correctly.
      1. Foul skeptic 11 March 2020 17: 43 New
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        Did you decide you were a joke?
        1. Yamato1980 11 March 2020 17: 47 New
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          It just turns out that Dresden is some kind of tourist city. smile
          1. Foul skeptic 11 March 2020 18: 10 New
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            No, it doesn’t work out for me.
            If you look at the schedule of the bombing, you can see that the stations were the target on 7.10.44 and 16.01.45. And the railway unit was also incapacitated for some time. Train stations and industry were the target of the April bombing. By the way, the destruction of industrial facilities in April was clearly only so that the Soviets did not get it. But on 14.02, the City Area was added to the station. Moreover, 3,5 times more bombs were sent to the City Area than to the train station and marshalling yards. Industry was not the goal at all; all hits on industrial sites were an accident due to poor bombing conditions.
  • Operator 11 March 2020 13: 38 New
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    The British and Americans in the process of bombing Dresden successfully solved three problems at once:
    - demonstrated to the USSR the power of its strategic aviation (in accordance with the command leaflet handed out to pilots before departure);
    - disabled the Wehrmacht transport hub;
    - eliminated the opportunity to turn the city into a German defense hub with the approach of the Red Army (destroying city buildings and structures to the facades).

    The losses of the Germans following the bombing of Dresden amounted to 25 thousand inhabitants of the city and several tens of thousands of refugees (up to 100 thousand), which no one considered.
    1. Yamato1980 11 March 2020 17: 45 New
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      Short, clear and sensible good
  • Alecsandr 11 March 2020 19: 44 New
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    It is good that at one time they quickly managed to establish the production of nuclear bombs, which stopped the desire of the former allies to bomb our cities as well.
  • fruit_cake 26 May 2020 14: 46 New
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    now the Americans and the British are equal to Hitler and Stalin, but in reality these were the governments and the Nazis, the Americans and the British were the same and their methods, in the United States racism existed officially for another couple of decades