Last attempt to save the USSR

Last attempt to save the USSR

Konstantin Ustinovich Chernenko (1911-1985)


35 years ago, on March 10, 1985, Konstantin Ustinovich Chernenko passed away. He made the last and vain attempt to save the USSR. On March 11, the post of General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee was taken by M. S. Gorbachev. The man who destroyed Soviet civilization.

Last attempt to save the USSR


The course on the elimination of Soviet civilization, which began under Khrushchev (“perestroika-1” and de-Stalinization), “frozen” under Brezhnev, continued Andropov. He tried to implement a hidden plan for convergence (rapprochement) of the Soviet and Western systems. The entry of the USSR into the Western world, and the Soviet elite - into the global elite.

After the death of Andropov (February 9, 1984), Konstantin Ustinovich Chernenko was put at the head of the USSR. The nominee Brezhnev, who insisted on a program of transformations that was fundamentally different from the ideas of the "perestroika" destroyers. Back in the late 70s, Chernenko suggested Brezhnev to listen to the opinions of A. N. Kosygin and A. N. Shelepin and begin to correct Khrushchev’s “distortions” not systematically, but systematically. Make a complete reassessment of the course of Stalin, himself and his associates. In fact, return to the Stalinist course of development of the country. Actively combat the "perversion of socialism" and the "fifth column." Make peace with China, which refused to re-evaluate Stalin and his program. Brezhnev did not dare to do this, although under him they began to recall Stalin in a positive way.

Chernenko was a good and principled person, an excellent organizer. In 1956, Chernenko became a referent for the Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Brezhnev, from March 1965 he headed the general department of the Central Committee of the CPSU, and he worked in this position for almost 15 years. Through it passed a large number of documents and files almost to the top, including the party, the Komsomol, trade unions, the leadership of the media and the national economy. Konstantin Ustinovich possessed a unique memory, knew perfectly well the political, economic and social situation of the country. The former Chekist border guard was a real statesman and an opponent of the course towards the destruction of the USSR.

Chernenko planned to restore a full-fledged alliance with China and Albania, which did not accept de-Stalinization in the USSR. Initiated a greater level of cooperation within the CMEA. Under the Secretary General, V. M. Molotov, L. M. Kaganovich and G. M. Malenkov, expelled from the Communist Party under Khrushchev, were restored. Moreover, Chernenko himself handed the new party card to Molotov. He planned to completely restore the name of Stalin. In particular, to return to Volgograd the name of Stalingrad. On behalf of Chernenko, a comprehensive program of economic reforms was being prepared, with emphasis on the plans of the last Stalin five-year plan. In particular, the study of Stalin's "Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR" (1952) was studied.

Thus, Chernenko made a sincere and final attempt to save the Soviet Union through a return to Stalin’s legacy. However, Konstantin Ustinovich did not rule for long. He died on March 10, 1985. Being an elderly and sick man, he was no longer able to actively confront that part of the Soviet elite, which relied on the collapse of the Union and the dragging of its parts on national reserves. It is possible that he was helped to quickly die. In total, Chernenko’s plans and activities were interrupted immediately after his death. They tried to forget him, and during the Gorbachev “perestroika” they ranked him as “co-authors of stagnation” and “adherents of Stalinism”.

"The Best German" Gorbachev


Gorbachev’s arrival on the post of General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee on March 11, 1985 was perceived positively in the country, tired of the series of deaths of old and decrepit leaders. He had hopes for a radical change for the better. To maintain and develop the Union, modernization and systemic reforms were required. Relatively young (born in 1931), brisk in words and generous in promises, Gorbachev at first liked almost everyone. Only specialists noted that the eloquent secretary general for 8 years after arriving from Stavropol and staying in the capital in the highest party positions was practically no different (except for the impracticable Food Program). The cowardly verbiage was an ideal candidate for the destruction of the USSR from within.

The activities of Mikhail Gorbachev are evaluated differently. For Russian liberals, Westerners, and the collective West, he is a wonderful knight without fear and reproach, who sincerely tried to do something good in the country of "Soviet-Russian slaves." In the West he is his own man. Well appreciated by the British "iron lady" Margaret Thatcher: "This man can be dealt with!" Abroad, Gorbachev is an iconic figure who played a key role in the destruction of the Soviet "evil empire", in the victorious and bloodless end of the Cold War (in fact, the Third World War) in the West, in the total plunder of the Russian state. Therefore, Gorbachev was not spared the Nobel Peace Prize, given the title of "best German", was awarded the Medal of Freedom and a prize of $ 100 thousand in Philadelphia. He has many other awards, bonuses, courtesies, etc.

The “catastrophe”, the collapse of the Red Empire and the ensuing “democracy” led to the death and extinction of millions of people, the looting of the national economy, the seizure of all the wealth of the state by a small group of capitalist bourgeoisie, new feudal lords and thieves, and the loss of almost all positions in the world. Ordinary people Gorbachev hates.

An attempt to continue the course of Andropov


Gorbacheva, along with Shevardnadze and Aliyev, put forward Andropov. All of them were Westerners. Andropov saw that the Brezhnev Soviet Union was heading for disaster, and put forward a program of rapprochement between the Soviet and Western worlds, their merger ("Andropov's Plan" as part of a strategy for the destruction of Russian civilization; Andropov’s plan for Russia's integration into Western civilization), the conclusion of a transaction between Moscow and the owners of the West. The USSR, on an equal footing, was included in the club of powers-lords — the core of the capitalist system. Soviet experience was used to modernize the world order. The Soviet elite was to become a full member of the global elite.

In fact, Andropov acted as the continuer of the cause of Peter the Great, who cut through the “window to Europe” and tried to make Russia a part of Europe. Integrate Russia into the West on favorable terms. Before that, the country was supposed to conduct a “purge”, to restore order and discipline in the country and in production. The main thing was economic modernization. In the USSR, they wanted to single out a “special economy” (everything that works well): military-industrial complex, nuclear and space industries, electronics, academic towns. Form high-tech corporations that, with the support of special services, will be able to successfully operate in the world (in the global market). It was a kind of "state in state."

In foreign policy, Andropov first wanted to scare the West, show himself as a tough dictator, and then make a deal on favorable terms. To this end, Andropov had to go into the background, firing young politicians (relative to other Soviet leaders), sweet and gentle Westerners: Gorbachev, Shevardnadze, etc. Therefore, he actively promoted them, although Gorbachev and the future leadership of the USSR did not have any special talents.

At the end of his reign, Andropov, apparently intuitively sensing that he was making a huge mistake, slowed down. But it was too late. Pandora's box was open. Andropov died, and the destruction mechanisms launched under him, which, according to the idea of ​​the Secretary General in the future were to lead to the heyday of Russia, continued to operate. Those people who were preparing for this acted like "zombies."

The West did not manage to frighten and drive into an impasse the "arms race". They did not create a full-fledged “state in the state”, did not carry out economic modernization. They did not tame the national elites in the republics, did not purge the party and state apparatus. Rather, under Andropov and Gorbachev, the "purge" was carried out, but it was with a minus sign. We cleaned the armed forces, intelligence, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the state apparatus, and the party from those people who could resist and oppose the course of “convergence” with the West, which led to the death of Russian communism and the former USSR.

Gorbachev from the very beginning began to act as if the first part of the plan was successfully implemented. This led to a complete destabilization of the system, chaos and disaster. In foreign policy, he immediately threw himself into the West with embrace. In the West, they immediately appreciated the "fool" and began to play along with him, to portray pacifism, the desire for world peace, etc. Quickly noticed that Gorbachev was greedy for flattery, beautiful words, awards-trinkets. Inside, Gorbachev tried to continue the work of Andropov, but resembling unsystematically, without will and energy, without relevant experience and knowledge. At the same time, he wanted to carry out modernization, relying on mechanical engineering, to “speed up” the country, raise the living standards of the people, and carry out democratization. Figuratively speaking, the Secretary General pursued several hares at once. It is clear that the USSR could not stand it. "Perestroika" turned into "disaster."


M. S. Gorbachev speaks at the XX Congress of the Komsomol


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  1. Reptiloid 11 March 2020 05: 54 New
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    I look forward to a speedy continuation.
    I didn’t hear about Chernenko, but it turns out this.
    1. rocket757 11 March 2020 07: 25 New
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      Dmitriy soldier , but it turns out that everyone acted the same way !!! Themselves, without relying on who is the real support of any country, i.e. CITIZENS!
      That's why everything collapsed before it started! as a result of the clan struggle at the very top!
      1. Reptiloid 11 March 2020 07: 49 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        Dmitriy soldier , but it turns out that everyone acted the same way !!! Themselves, without relying on who is the real support of any country, i.e. CITIZENS! ...

        Greetings, Victor! hi Yes, it turns out, like the fact that you work there, follow the plan, but we ourselves, yourself ..... you participate in the hostilities there, but we ourselves, ourselves ....
        As de-Stalinization began, so did the conflict, which the Soviet military had to use
        1. rocket757 11 March 2020 07: 56 New
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          If you carefully look, dig around, then they began to “roll the barrel” on the leader, because even with IT, citizens were separated from everything that has real control over the government !!! Everything else is the logical consequences of such a decision!
          I would say "Big mistake" that no one wants to fix !!! Because uncontrolled power, at such a "sweetie" which they strive to shove into their specific mouth and .......
          1. Reptiloid 11 March 2020 08: 06 New
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            I have just started reading about the last years, as you write --- ““ AT IT ”. There is an assumption that, apparently, in recent years, it has been decreasing precisely because of the disease. What was hiding at the same time, speaking of merits.
            As I read what I have outlined, I will say
            But I think that, first of all, the corn-maker deceiving Stalin wanted to exalt himself and hide his affairs
            1. rocket757 11 March 2020 08: 55 New
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              Dmitry, it all started back in the 20s, and in the 30s, everything was leveled FINALLY !!! And it certainly was with him!
              Because for the leader and did not stand up, by and large, the masses !!! they did NOT DECIDE ANYTHING! ... and his comrades-in-arms, were caught in one way or another.
              1. Reptiloid 11 March 2020 09: 13 New
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                Quote: rocket757
                Dmitry, it all started back in the 20s, and in the 30s, everything was leveled FINALLY !!! .......

                I’m very interested in that time --- 20s. After all, what was the rise!
                The Red Army reached a strength of 5300000. Victory in the Civil War. Then the number of Red Army men decreased.
                I read magazines, publications of that time. In the reprint version. Indeed, a new person, Soviet, was deliberately and painstakingly created. Therefore, they won the Second World War
                In my opinion, while fighting towards the extreme left, the party did not notice that the extreme right were reformatted and remained. This was shown at the end of the Stalin era and specifically with the corn. We should not forget that the white-emigrant project worked and there were salaries and money from the organizations of Maslov, Milgunov, Milyukov, and other petty-bourgeois
                1. rocket757 11 March 2020 09: 19 New
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                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Do not forget

                  Yes, we should not forget that starting "debriefing", start with YOURSELF !!! Maybe mistakes will be made less then, responsible and guiding ???
                  In general, figures who have reached the pinnacles of power are not inclined to share VICTORIES with someone! But the defeats, their own and everything, are ready to blame on anyone ... only away from your beloved.
                  Man is not perfect, so absolute power ends, usually sad for everyone .....
                  1. Reptiloid 11 March 2020 09: 47 New
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                    Quote: rocket757
                    ..... absolute power ends, usually sad for everyone .....
                    Victor, absolutism ended in France after the overthrow of Napoleon.
                    But Russia's commitment to absolute rule does not end there.
                    Until the evening! hi
                    1. rocket757 11 March 2020 09: 58 New
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                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      But Russia's commitment to absolute rule does not end there.

                      And so everything is thoroughly smeared, and even the fog is let in .... vigorous.
        2. Olgovich 11 March 2020 08: 18 New
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          Quote: Reptiloid
          that you work there, carry out the plan, and here we ourselves, ourselves

          Think about the fact: Chernenko was the Secretary General only one year (died).

          Was elected being deeply sick man: how could this be done to him?

          They took him out by the arms, spoke with difficulty ....

          It was just a shame for the leadership, watching TV is such a powerful country, and who is headed by the weak old men in a row ....
          Shame ....

          Brezhnev was "pulled" to death to death, Andropov, Chernenko and all went weather -1982,83,85.

          The most severe crisis of party leadership ......

          The author’s panegyrics by Chernenko are amazing: Chernenko, in fact, has not worked for a day in his life: he has been in charge of agitation and propaganda all his life, he taught us what to read, how to love, how to behave: he threw several wives and a bunch of children .. ..
          1. Reptiloid 11 March 2020 08: 34 New
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            It’s not only incomprehensible that Chernenko chose a patient, but it’s also strange about Andropov. After all, diabetes is a very serious disease that affects absolutely the whole body, especially if it comes to dialysis ((some people at my work very much in this subject ...))
            There is no question of shame. Remember how Druon described the intentions of choosing the Pope? The same analogy. Only at Druon, the candidate pretended to be dying, for which he was chosen, and he ruled authoritarian about 20 years later. Pope John XXII.
            As for Chernenko, ---- I didn’t know the details at all and didn’t read, somehow it didn’t happen
            1. Olgovich 11 March 2020 11: 01 New
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              Quote: Reptiloid
              There is no question of shame.

              I don’t know, I’m talking about my personal feelings, since the late Brezhnev era: I was uncomfortable, ashamed, sorry to look and listen to a deeply feeble old man — why should he torture him, force him to do something already impossible for him ?!

              Along with the fact that Brezhnev himself, as a front-line soldier, as a person, a handsome man, a smart and caring person, I deeply respect (and not by hearsay, my grandfather knew him very well personally for many years).

              And then there were the same Andropov, Chernenko, without tears it was impossible to watch ...

              There should not have been such a thing in the country ...

              This is evidence of a deep crisis of leadership (as well as the election of an empty, stupid, cheerful debolabola)
              1. Reptiloid 11 March 2020 12: 17 New
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                This time I agree with you, Olgovich, that this is a crisis, or maybe this is some kind of hidden management? After all, Brezhnev was sick a few years before his death and someone did things for him? Probably Andropov? Also, probably, someone was instead of Andropov at the end? After all, if the kidneys fail --- poisoning of orgagism ..... Well, it turns out that instead of Chernenko, too, someone was in the shade? I have not read about this time.
                1. Sergej1972 13 March 2020 15: 35 New
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                  Many publications suggest that even under Andropov and Chernenko, power began to slowly transfer to Gorbachev.
                  1. Reptiloid 13 March 2020 17: 57 New
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                    Quote: Sergej1972
                    Many publications suggest that even under Andropov and Chernenko, power began to slowly transfer to Gorbachev.

                    I will try to look at this topic.
                    Many probably wanted to edit from behind the aging leader — and relatives also tried to their advantage for Yeltsin.
            2. Astra wild 11 March 2020 19: 31 New
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              Dima, I’m older than you and I remember what impression Andropov and Chernenko make. I remember Andropov because the speeches were not long, but Chernenko had long and, outwardly, Andropov was nice to me
              1. Reptiloid 11 March 2020 19: 57 New
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                Good evening, hi Astra! I remember and love pink and purple aster since childhood. After the shore of the cold sea, these asters simply delighted me on the mainland ......
                I somehow watched a movie about Andropov on 365tv .... I know eyewitness accounts about shopping raids and about andropovka. ... about Chernenko, didn’t know at all request
          2. Alexey RA 11 March 2020 16: 35 New
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            Quote: Olgovich
            Brezhnev was "pulled" to death to death, Andropov, Chernenko and all went weather -1982,83,85.

            The Epoch carriage races or five-year magnificent funeral. sad
            “Do you have a pass for the funeral of the Secretary-General?”
            - And I have a subscription.
            ©
        3. Blacksmith 55 11 March 2020 09: 25 New
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          Good morning .
          Gorbach, as he saw a microphone somewhere, did not leave him, he loved to chat, he could not be stopped.
      2. Yrec 11 March 2020 09: 31 New
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        By the mid-eighties, the systemic crisis of the USSR had matured completely. Neither Andropov nor Chernenko would have saved anything. Mentioned Aliyev and Shevarnadze by that time were agents of US influence, this has already been proved. Gorbachev and his wife were poorly educated balabol (Gorbachev appeared at the institute only at sessions). What they blew into their ears, they broadcast. My grandmother, God forbid her health, personally Gorbi knew when he was a Perseus of the Stavropol Territory, she knows a lot about him, she told me.
        1. Marine engineer 11 March 2020 22: 02 New
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          But I wonder how Gorbachev climbed to the “top”. During the war he lived in the occupied territory. How he was able to overcome the "filters". What did grandma say about this?
      3. knn54 11 March 2020 14: 13 New
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        The coachman, as his enemies called him, was in excellent health. But after stagnation with the "colleagues" from the Politburo, he was poisoned by fish, and only he. And this led to his malaise, and then his death.
        The LAST Stalinist left (in the best sense of the word). A pity.
        I do not agree with the author in terms of Aliyev. Which in no way can be put on a par with Gorbachev and Shevarnadze.
    2. Sergey Olegovich 11 March 2020 09: 28 New
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      Quote: Reptiloid
      I look forward to a speedy continuation.

      I support. An interesting article and an interesting assessment of the personality of Chernenko.
      Soviet elite - part of the global elite.

      In this I do not agree with the author of the article and this is why: the USSR controlled almost half of the countries of the planet. Based on this, it can be said that the Soviet party and state elite itself was an elite of world scale.
    3. Serg65 11 March 2020 11: 02 New
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      Quote: Reptiloid
      I didn’t hear about Chernenko, but it turns out this.

      laughing Samsonov will not give you such a thing !!!
  2. apro 11 March 2020 05: 58 New
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    The Soviet civilization project fell from theoretical hunger. The goals and methods of building a just society rested on the imperfection of social relations. And all this had to be decided systematically. But after the death of IVS Stalin, throwing began, and even direct betrayal ...
    1. Vladimir_2U 11 March 2020 06: 15 New
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      Quote: apro
      Soviet civilization project fell from theoretical hunger
      In my contradiction with these words:
      Quote: apro
      throwing began. and then direct betrayal ...
      don't you find?
      1. apro 11 March 2020 06: 23 New
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        do not find

        I don’t know. New problems appear at every time interval. And they need new methods of solution based on the Soviet theory of building a society. But replacement with bourgeois principles. Type of profit. Convergence of systems. Or deliberate simplification of solutions leads to disastrous results.
        1. Vladimir_2U 11 March 2020 06: 24 New
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          And still
          Quote: apro
          direct betrayal

          decided the fate of the USSR, I think so.
          1. apro 11 March 2020 06: 30 New
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            decided the fate of the USSR, I think so.

            I do not agree. Betrayal has grown out of something. It has developed. An effective tool has not developed in the USSR to solve the personnel problem. Party members have been forgiven a lot from the status of the party and state structure.
            1. Serg65 11 March 2020 11: 11 New
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              Quote: apro
              I do not agree. Betrayal has grown out of something. It has developed. An effective tool has not developed in the USSR to solve the personnel problem. Party members have been forgiven a lot from the status of the party and state structure.

              Something you thought runs tortuously! So is the party, as a supranational structure, guilty or is it betrayal?
              1. apro 11 March 2020 11: 46 New
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                So is the party, as a supranational structure, guilty or is it betrayal?

                Yes, the party is guilty of the destruction of the USSR.
                1. Serg65 11 March 2020 11: 54 New
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                  Yes, the party is guilty of the destruction of the USSR.

                  My plus for an honest answer!
            2. Doliva63 12 March 2020 17: 41 New
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              Quote: apro
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              decided the fate of the USSR, I think so.

              I do not agree. Betrayal has grown out of something. It has developed. An effective tool has not developed in the USSR to solve the personnel problem. Party members have been forgiven a lot from the status of the party and state structure.

              It turns out that you just don’t know the history of the country, but I have an opinion, yeah laughing
          2. Sergey Olegovich 11 March 2020 09: 35 New
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            And still
            Quote: apro
            direct betrayal

            decided the fate of the USSR, I think so.

            I agree with you. In one of his interviews, Gorbachev directly said that he was not satisfied with the Soviet regime and always wanted to destroy it. Having become secretary general, he began to realize his dream, and with the help of a specific traitor Yakovlev, he selected a team for himself with approximately the same views and dreams. And as a result of the actions of the Gorbachev team, we have what we have.
            1. Serg65 11 March 2020 11: 14 New
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              Quote: Sergey Olegovich
              Becoming Secretary General, he began to realize his dream and, with the help of a specific traitor Yakovlev, picked up a team

              what But who brought Gorbachev to the Central Committee by the ears?
    2. bessmertniy 11 March 2020 06: 35 New
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      The people were simply deceived. Instead of working for him, our elite began to work for themselves, without burdening themselves with caring for people. As a result, a decline in demographics, a low standard of living, low GDP per capita - at the level of developing countries, etc.
      1. Serg65 11 March 2020 11: 19 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        The people were simply deceived. Instead of working for him

        So they still worked for the people?
    3. Reptiloid 11 March 2020 06: 43 New
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      After Stalin's death, de-Stalinization and conflicts with the countries of socialist eastern Europe and China began.
      Podymov’s articles about maize were.
      De-Stalinization within the country. There was no throwing, a course towards peaceful coexistence. Time has shown that no peaceful coexistence with capitalism is possible.
      1. Mitroha 11 March 2020 07: 32 New
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        Moreover, the reason is the simple socialist version of development was and remains a real threat to the capitalist system. Therefore, they are doing everything to prevent the revival of socialist movements among the people. Consumer society, a bunch of termites destroying the Earth.
        1. Reptiloid 11 March 2020 07: 57 New
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          ...... Therefore, they are doing everything in order to prevent the revival of socialist movements among the people. ......
          A variety of ways to do this are used.
      2. bober1982 11 March 2020 07: 48 New
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        Quote: Reptiloid
        course for peaceful coexistence

        Dmitry, who was the initiator of such a course? Interested in.
        1. Aviator_ 11 March 2020 07: 59 New
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          The initiator was Brezhnev. The beginning of the 70s. The USA after the defeat in Vietnam was modest in terms of new conflicts.
          1. bober1982 11 March 2020 08: 07 New
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            Quote: Aviator_
            The initiator was Brezhnev

            Yes, everything is true, but this course - towards peaceful coexistence with the West, was a gross mistake of the Soviet leadership (the Helsinki Accords), which ultimately led to the collapse of the USSR
            1. Was mammoth 11 March 2020 11: 13 New
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              Quote: bober1982
              Yes, everything is true, but this course - towards peaceful coexistence with the West, was a gross mistake of the Soviet leadership (the Helsinki Accords), which ultimately led to the collapse of the USSR

              Those. Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev pursued an aggressive policy against the West? Ah, Brezhnev, from the bastard ....wink
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Time has shown that no peaceful coexistence with capitalism is possible

              And inside capitalism, what has time shown?
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Podymov’s articles about maize were.

              Afflict. You are St. Petersburg, Leningrad. N.S. Khrushchev, head of the Soviet state How not to relate to him. In addition to corn, let’s say, there are monuments of his era - Khrushchev. Where to put that he fought on the Mamayev Kurgan ...?
              Quote: Olgovich
              ... while he threw several wives and a bunch of children ....

              Have you decided to gossip? What can you say about the personal life of Vladimir Vladimirovich? A natural desire to protect privacy or is there something to hide?
              Quote: Olgovich
              The most severe crisis of party leadership ......

              Interest in the past is an attempt to look into the future.
              Now how, no crisis? wink

              "Chernenko was a good and principled person ... .... Andropov first wanted to scare the West."
              Strongly written about politics! wink
              1. Reptiloid 11 March 2020 19: 37 New
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                Mammoth, dear, hi glad you came! We rarely see each other, unfortunately. You and I, when I talked about Khrushchev for a long time, I, in my opinion, wrote that experiments to improve the urban infrastructure after the revolution began as soon as the opportunity arose. Public buildings of a new country for a new person. Thus, to the Khrushchev, late 50s, early 60s gradually approached, through practice, experiments, calculations, modifications. From the beginning of the 30s were made, options for building buildings for mass development were developed. All this began under Stalin. And they came to the beginning of mass construction already under Nikita. At that time, the Khrushchevs not only solved the housing problem in the city, but also contributed to the further movement from the village to the city. Relatives, acquaintances of Leningraders went to study more often than before, there was someone to stay with. This is the Stalinist legacy.
                1. Was mammoth 11 March 2020 20: 32 New
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                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  We rarely see each other, unfortunately.

                  Yes unfortunately.
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  This is the Stalinist legacy.

                  Yes, but it was built under Khrushchev. Therefore, the people they are Khrushchev, not Stalin and not Brezhnev. wink
                  1. Reptiloid 12 March 2020 16: 22 New
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                    Reptiloid --- Mammoth belay
                    The other day, I saw here somewhere a conversation between Leningrader and St. Petersburg, today and someone who is a student in Leningrad. About the houses on Lesnoy, which are the so-called nods. They just began to soil and improve in the 30s. The best of them are now at the level of stalinok. And the very first ones either collapsed or were destroyed due to inferiority. In the city in different areas were. Warm houses, wide windows, but low ceilings, general use is small. Even the House of Academicians on Stachek --- built in the 30s.
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                      ... the so-called nods.

                      This is a St. Petersburg feature. Original monuments to Kirov S.M. It is important that people get their roof over their heads.
          2. Sergey Olegovich 11 March 2020 09: 53 New
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            Quote: Aviator_
            The initiator was Brezhnev. The beginning of the 70s.

            Under Brezhnev, the policy of peaceful coexistence continued, and it began with the rise to power in Khrushchev. In the West, it is also believed that the policy of peaceful coexistence arose precisely under Khrushchev. The following facts confirm this:
            After the death of Stalin, in the summer of 1953, the USSR reached an agreement with the United States, which resulted in a cease-fire in Korea. In the same year, the USSR abandoned the idea of ​​joint defense of the Black Sea Straits with Turkey, which involved the creation of Soviet naval bases on its territory. Initiatives were put forward to normalize relations between the USSR and Turkey and Yugoslavia. In 1954, an agreement was reached to end the war in Indochina. At the XX Congress of the CPSU, Khrushchev substantiated and consolidated the theses on the peaceful coexistence and competition of the two systems, on the possibility of preventing war in the modern era. Khrushchev named then the creation of a collective security system in Europe, then in Asia, as well as disarmament as the main direction of ensuring peace.
          3. Fat
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            Quote: Aviator_
            The initiator was Brezhnev. The beginning of the 70s. The USA after the defeat in Vietnam was modest in terms of new conflicts.

            G.V. Chicherin, who represented Soviet Russia at the Genoa Conference, on April 10, 1922, put forward the principle of peaceful coexistence and economic cooperation of states with different social systems.
            Revisionist you, my friend))))
          4. Sergej1972 13 March 2020 15: 41 New
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            Long before Brezhnev. Malenkov spoke a lot about the course on the peaceful coexistence of the two systems, then Khrushchev and Brezhnev continued this line.
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          Dmitry, who was the initiator of such a course? Interested in.

          The world's first meeting of the Nations of the world to preserve peace (UN prototype) happened exclusively at the initiative of RUSSIA, at the personal initiative of Emperor Nicholas II, in 1899 g in The Hague.

          The decisions adopted there in 1899 and 1907 became the foundation of the UN, international law and the struggle for peace.
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            Not quite so, it was an unsuccessful attempt at general disarmament; after the conference, all countries began arming themselves intensely.
            Everyone began to energetically prepare for war.
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              Not quite so, it was an unsuccessful attempt at general disarmament

              это было first in history of humanity successful assembly of nations of the world with the agenda of PEACEFUL coexistence, the rules of warfare, the declaration of war, the renunciation of WMD, the maintenance of prisoners, etc.

              It laid the BASIS of everything that follows: Geneva, LN, the UN, etc.

              Quote: bober1982
              after the conference, all countries began arming themselves intensely.
              Everyone began to energetically prepare for war.

              And before her .. didn’t arm themselves and for war .. didn’t prepare ... belay

              Let me remind you, by the way, that CW, for example, at the beginning of the WWII was NOT applied precisely by virtue of the Hague conventions: and how many thousands did it save?
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                a successful meeting of the nations of the world with the agenda of PEACEFUL coexistence,

                ......... when they say "Peace and Security" - then suddenly they will suffer their perniciousness ...
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            The decisions adopted there in 1899 and 1907 became the foundation of the UN, international law and the struggle for peace.

            And the results of this struggle? PMV? The world has become more stable? Especially after the destruction of the USSR .... everyone is in compliance with the agreement when there is no one to ask ...
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              And the results of this struggle? PMV? The world has become more stable?

              Of course: LN, the UN served and are serving the cause of PEACE.

              Bad, little, imperfect?

              This is itself imperfect humanity and nothing better not yet come up.

              Landmarks and goals SHOULD be (like a person's) and it all started-RUSSIA 121 years ago, the USSR and Russia continued
  3. Jurkovs 11 March 2020 07: 15 New
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    You cannot enter the same water twice. And Chernenko tried to do this.
    1. Aviator_ 11 March 2020 08: 01 New
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      "Without theory, death is ours" - I. Stalin in his work "The economic problems of socialism." And so it happened. There was no theory.
      1. Alexey RA 11 March 2020 18: 10 New
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        Quote: Aviator_
        And so it happened. There was no theory.

        Worse. The theory was just there - but this theory froze, bronzed and ceased to correspond to new facts. The surrounding reality was changing, but the theory remained the same in the 40s and 50s. If the same VIL could radically change the point of view for several years - and theoretically justify this turn, then Suslovtsy and Epishevtsy kept repeating the old mantras, not paying attention to the fact that they had not been true for a long time.
        If the facts contradict the theory - the worse for the facts! ©

        The theory was achieved by the fact that it was often taught and promoted by people who did not even understand the writings of the founders (but at the same time referred to them intensively).
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          I agree, the VIL reacted very quickly to the changing situation - compare, for example, the works “The State and the Revolution” and “The Immediate Tasks of the Soviet Government.” And at the very beginning of the twentieth century, he told Plekhanov and other Russian Marxists: "Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action." Joseph Leninism was not a dogma either, therefore there were results, but after it a mess began - there was no one to return to the Stalinist legacy, all social science turned into a dogma with quoting classics and with a complete ban on Stalinist developments, which also cannot be turned into dogmas. Therefore, we have the current state with the search for a "national idea."
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    He died on March 10, 1985. Being a man elderly and sick, he ....

    If yes, if only ..... people then joked that the "favorite" occupation of the old leaders of the union, riding a gun carriage .... that was such black humor !!!
    Because the people no longer understood what was happening up there !!! Accordingly, he could not support anything, he would not resist ANYTHING!
    When a society, a people, is separated from everything that is done with the country, the result can be very different .... in short, whoever turned out to be the most cunning at the top will then bend his own !!!
    However, almost everywhere the AUTHORITY is sure that she knows everything and everything better than the people of the country ....
    The question is, why then revolutions, riots occur ???
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      Quote: rocket757
      He died on March 10, 1985. Being a man elderly and sick, he ....
      ..... When a society, a people, is separated from everything that is done with the country, the result can be very different .... in short, whoever turned out to be the most cunning at the top will then bend his own !!!
      However, almost everywhere the AUTHORITY is sure that she knows everything and everything better than the people of the country ....
      The question is, why then revolutions, riots occur ???
      Of course, the authorities are confident in their knowledge and rightness, and they act accordingly, but from time to time, all of a sudden, they begin to consult with the people, so to be seen ....
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        so for visibility ....

        In, in, this is a radical definition for all time!
        Although there were exceptions ... but not for long, as a rule. Those who are torn upstairs, after fulfilling their dreams / goals, quickly lead to the right thing for them, the denominator.
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        2. Reptiloid 11 March 2020 08: 14 New
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          I recalled the saying that ""ask for advice and then do the opposite""
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            I recalled the saying that ""ask for advice and then do the opposite""

            It’s possible in another way, I asked for advice, but I acted as I myself considered it necessary .... the same FIG, only with the other end.
      2. vladcub 11 March 2020 17: 15 New
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        That's right. You can arrange a meeting with "public" for Tikhiru, as in the 80s or B. At times it meets with the public of the Russian Federation, and then say: "the people unanimously support the policies of the party and the government. Or" the public enthusiastically accepts the initiatives (parties) of the president. " In these phrases, just change your last name or name, but the essence is one
  5. stels_07 11 March 2020 07: 26 New
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    They profiled the country, but where were the patriots with the KGB? And now everyone is making excuses, they say such a plan was to bring such "wise men" to power
    1. Aviator_ 11 March 2020 08: 04 New
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      and where were the patriots with the KGB?

      If you read the two-volume memoirs of Kryuchkov, the last KGB man, you will see that the first volume is his autobiography, and the second is boring excuses on the topic “why I didn’t do anything”.
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      Quote: stels_07
      They profiled the country, but where were the patriots with the KGB? And now everyone is making excuses, they say such a plan was to bring such "wise men" to power

      I had such among friends. Everyone was fired, and two were tried. And there was one, he was taken in collaboration with the Japanese - he was also fired, but not sentenced, although there was a court.
  6. Moskovit 11 March 2020 07: 27 New
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    I recall a joke:
    Today, without regaining consciousness, Konstantin Ustinovich Chernenko took up the duties of the Secretary General of the CPSU.
    That's all that he remembered. What transformations could a person who barely walked and speak ...
    1. bober1982 11 March 2020 07: 50 New
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      That's all he remembered

      And, I remember that he was from farm laborers, as reported.
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        That's all he remembered

        And by the way, he, and not Gorbachev, was the true father of perestroika, which Gorbachev safely ruined.
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          Chernenko Konstantin Ustinovich
          Born on September 11 [24], 1911, the village of Bolshaya Tes, Minusinsk Uyezd, Yenisei Province. Russian Graduated from a three-year school of rural youth,
          In 1929-1931 - Head of the Agitation and Propaganda Department of the Novosyolovsky District Komsomol Committee. Between 1931 and 1933 he served in the Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (49th border detachment, Khorgos border guard, Taldy-Kurgan region, where he participated in the liquidation of Bekmuratov’s gang. During his service, he joined the CPSU (b) and was elected secretary of the party organization of the border detachment.
          \ In 1933-1941, the head of the propaganda and agitation department of the Novoselovsky and Uyarsky district party committees of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, the director of the Krasnoyarsk Regional House of Party Education. In 1941-1943 - Secretary of the Krasnoyarsk Regional Committee of the CPSU (b). In 1943-1945 he studied at the Higher School of Party Organizers at the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.). In 1945-1948 - Secretary of the Penza Regional Party Committee.

          . In 1947, he was an extramural student of the history department of the Penza Pedagogical Institute, but did not graduate in connection with his transfer to work in Moscow. He graduated from the Chisinau Pedagogical Institute (1953) with a degree in history teacher.
          Since 1948 - head of the propaganda and agitation department of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Moldova. It was here that in the early 1950s Chernenko met Brezhnev, at that time - the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Moldova. Business communication has grown into friendship, which lasted until the end of life. Since 1950, Chernenko’s career has been inextricably linked with Brezhnev
          From 1956 to May 1960 - head of the mass agitation sector in the propaganda and agitation department of the CPSU Central Committee. In 1960-1965, he was the head of the Secretariat of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR (Leonid Brezhnev was the chairman of the Presidium in 1960-1964). In 1965-1982, he was the head of the General Department of the Central Committee of the CPSU. Since March 1976 - Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee. Since October 1977 - candidate for membership in the Politburo, and since November 1978 - member of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee

          On February 13, 1984, at the plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU, K. U. Chernenko was unanimously elected General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU. By this time, 72-year-old Chernenko was already very seriously ill and looked like an intermediate figure. In August 1983, on vacation, Chernenko was seriously poisoned by smoked fish, which was sent to him by the Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR Vitaly Fedorchuk, and therefore spent a significant part of his board at the Central Clinical Hospital, where sometimes even meetings of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee were held.
          Many historians and publicists believe that Chernenko, who headed the party and the country after the death of Andropov, curtailed the course of reforms begun by his predecessor, but many useful undertakings were not only continued, but also significantly expanded. This also applies to the fight against the shadow economy, and acceleration policies, and many other areas of reform of the previous months.
          He, in a somewhat modernized sound, begins to use the word, which in a few years will become a symbol of an entire historical era: “The system of governing the country, our entire economic mechanism, needs serious restructuring. It includes a large-scale economic experiment to empower and increase the responsibility of enterprises. ” In a speech at the October (1984) Plenum of the CPSU Central Committee, K. U. Chernenko, speaking of the preparations that had begun for the XXVII Congress of the CPSU, indicated that the party had identified the main ways to achieve new frontiers in social and economic development. This is the accelerated development of social production, the maximum use of intensive growth factors. The basis for this is scientific and technological progress, which makes it possible to accelerate the pace of development of the country's productive forces. During the reign of Chernenko, several failed projects were undertaken: the complete political rehabilitation of Stalin, the reform of the school, and the strengthening of the role of trade unions. With him, the Day of Knowledge (September 1, 1984) was officially introduced as a holiday. Since the fall of 1984, Soviet trade unions were allowed to challenge the decisions of the heads of enterprises, party and economic structures that actually violated labor laws, impeded the development of economic initiative, labor productivity, and social security of workers at the highest party and state instances. detente in relations with the People's Republic of China, but relations with the United States remained extremely tense; in 1984, the USSR, in response to the boycott of the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, the United States and its allies, boycotted the Olympic Games in Los Angeles.
          March 10, 1985 at 19 hours 20 minutes Konstantin Ustinovich Chernenko died of cardiac arrest, with manifestations of increasing hepatic and pulmonary heart failure. After a year and twenty-five days of rule, he became the last general secretary to be buried near the Kremlin wall. The funeral of Konstantin Ustinovich took place on Wednesday, March 13, at 13 hours on Red Square.

          Chernenko was one of 16 thrice Heroes of Socialist Labor (1976, 1981, and 1984; besides him, only N. S. Khrushchev and D. A. Kunaev were only three Heroes of Labor from the members of the Politburo.
          1. bober1982 11 March 2020 11: 09 New
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            This is from Wikipedia, and then (1984) I heard with my own ears how his biography was read on TV, and they said it was from farm laborers.
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              Vladimir hi
              I heard with my own ears how his biography was read on TV, and they said it from the laborers.

              I also heard, though at the same time I was deeply surprised - Minusinsk. What kind of laborers are there. His father seems to be haggard to earn money from the mines. Children and household were entirely on the mother. In general, they interrupted as best they could. They lived poorly and did not disdain any work.
              So it's very true
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                Yes, I am not against the fact that he is from farm laborers, not from the noblemen to be him. Only our comasca laughed.
                And, my respect for you.
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              I doubt that he was a laborer. Perhaps the “laborer” was later stuck in his biography.
              Maybe he is the same laborer as from Khrushchev Stakhanov?
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                Maybe he is the same laborer as from Khrushchev Stakhanov?

                Therefore, the comasque also laughed.
    2. vladcub 11 March 2020 16: 54 New
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      Moskvit, there was still some kind of joke about the hearse race. Perhaps you remember?
  7. Plantagenet 11 March 2020 07: 27 New
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    In 1993, the American National Interest magazine even had an article entitled Andropov’s Kidneys, the author of which argued that if Andropov’s health was better, there wouldn’t be the whole chain of events that would lead to the collapse of the USSR. This question is controversial and difficult, but it is difficult to disagree with the fact that, despite the steadily widening economic gap between the Soviet Union and the West, there were no direct signs of an explosion inside the country, the discontent of the population did not exceed the level acceptable for the leadership, the dissident movement was crushed by Andropov, the situation was quite stable, no liberation movement in the republics was noticed. Of course, terrible and potentially detrimental phenomena for the Soviet regime accumulated implicitly, but everything could last much longer.

    Georgy Ilyich Mirsky “Life in three eras”
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    "Some Western Sovietologists predicted that the cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union would be the struggle of non-Russian nations for independence. This did not happen. As always in Russia, everything was decided in the center. And the restructuring itself was not so much perestroika itself (despite the fact that, of course, the economic reforms that made up its essence were poorly thought out and even worse implemented), as much as glasnost, disorienting, disarming and disconcerting the leading political class, the ruling elite.

    How could this elite allow such a turn of events? Gone mad? Rushed like a whale, dying herself ashore? Or, on the contrary, did a grandiose, unprecedented historical maneuver, getting rid of the Marxist ballast? "

    Georgy Ilyich Mirsky “Life in three eras”
  9. Undecim 11 March 2020 08: 27 New
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    Another sketch from Samsonov about the "last savior" of "Soviet civilization".
    If Chernenko can claim the role of some kind of savior, then only the role of the savior of the cohort of Kremlin senile seniors, who sought "to the last breath" to preserve the familiar habitat of Brezhnev's "stagnation". What could be saved by the head of the country, who spent most of his 390 days in the special chamber of the Central Design Bureau, in which he was even shown in the Vremya program, since he was already not viable outside the hospital?
    Chernenko was remembered by jokes about him and the utopian program for turning Siberian rivers.
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      It is interesting here how to create a legend. And if this is repeated many times. Contemporaries are a little more complicated. And subsequent generations can face it at face value.
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      Glory to you, Lord, that they did not begin to turn the rivers. And so the climate has changed, and if the rivers began to turn?
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      Another sketch from Samsonov about the "last savior" of "Soviet civilization".

      I do not understand the other, Viktor Nikolaevich ... what
      Building an article by Mr. Samsonov: there is a traitor - there is an enemy - that one has a cunning plan - "they wanted, but did not have time" etc. tricks. In principle, they are of the same type, visible with a gaze, and sore mouth ...
      The question is that this is presented as truth, and without the slightest indication of the source. I repeat once more - not a single link! soldier
      The second question is that the majority will believe more in what was said in this way ... hi
      In general, it is more like personal opinion of the author "a la victor pravdyuk", with a mournful mine and wringing hands. what
      Those people who were preparing for this acted like "zombies."

      I did not understand this phrase at all. And, for God's sake, do not explain to me its meaning! It seems that everything is clear here .... with respect to everyone, including site administration. hi
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        Building an article by Mr. Samsonov: here is a traitor - there is an enemy - that one has a cunning plan - "they wanted, but did not have time," etc. tricks. In principle, they are of the same type, visible with a gaze, and sore mouth ...

        When the nobles and merchants were shot
        and all those who worked with brains
        so many other fellows came
        wanting not to be fools.

        When they shot and those fellows,
        that they became fathers to the people
        so many other scoundrels came
        who wanted to serve as scoundrels.

        When the scoundrels were also shot,
        calling their people enemies
        so many other daredevils came
        who didn’t want to be dunduks.

        When they shot those daredevils,
        who became thieves,
        the choirs of the sages sang everywhere:
        only Stalin is to blame!

        © A. Dolsky
        1. Pane Kohanku 11 March 2020 19: 54 New
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          Do you remember how Stoyanov and Oleinikov performed this song in Gorodok? wink
          Tsar Nikolashka, autocrat of all Russia,
          Although in the face he was not very handsome,
          When he was crucians,
          Piglets were born under him,
          And, in general, there was something to give and bite.
          But in February, his little manek of
          And then we learned the whole truth about him:
          That he didn’t like workers,
          What he harassed the Jews
          And that I didn’t see beyond my nose.

          Father Joseph was our people's father,
          He built a hydroelectric power station, he built a hydroelectric power station, he built a thermal power plant.
          Under him, the collective farms rose,
          The Lord shed tears
          Under him capitalism came to an end.
          Well, then his little manneck of that
          And then we learned the whole truth about him:
          That he changed Marxism
          That he took many lives
          And that everyone was in prison to one.

          Khrushchev Nikita, although he was growth from arshin,
          But he did many great things:
          When it plowed virgin lands,
          When flying to the moon
          And the great leader Wu Well became the best friend.
          Well, then his little manneck of that
          Then we learned the whole truth about him:
          He planted corn
          Gamal Nasser awarded
          And a lot of something heaped up.
          request

          in tune! drinks
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    You cannot enter the same water twice. And Chernenko tried to do this.

    You can’t enter the same river twice, but you can sit in the same puddle twice.
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    The USSR destroyed not only Gorbachev, but also Yeltsin, which is obvious. Gorbachev created ideal conditions for this, and Yeltsin gladly took advantage.
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    Father Samsonius raves again ... At this pace, you see, and Suslova canonizes as a "fighter for the Russian Idea" :)
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      At this pace, you look, and Suslova canonizes as a "fighter for the Russian Idea"

      Yeah ... Pobedonostsev number two.
      Autocracy, Orthodoxy. nationality CPSU, Marxism-Leninism, Proletarian internationalism! smile
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        CPSU, Marxism-Leninism, Proletarian internationalism!

        Yeah, add the superethnos and other Aryans - in general, the "super-ultra-national idea" will work ... what
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    Samsonov Andropov _-- byak. My mother (WWII participant) her older sisters, many people of that period. EVERYONE was happy when Yu. V. Andropov began “reclamation” in politics. . When Yu. V. started the “struggle against unearned income”, I was told by an old man (and in the party since 1940, he died in 2000 or 2001): * “it seems to be too young: under Stalin, do exactly that”
    Samsonov’s Kosygin is the successor of the “Stalinist economy,” and recently read that Kosygin was trying to bring the Soviet and Western systems closer, which was done by Deng Xiaoping in China (in January of this year, China stepped on the heels of the USA) .. At the initiative of Kosygin, they raised salaries , introduced primitive and material interest. Now ALL say that the peak of the power of the USSR was in the period 1977-1983) at that time 2 strategic nuclear submarines were built in our country in a year, even the USA could not build like that (I know from the words of a submarine test pilot).
    If you believe Elena Bonaire, you still need to look for such a junk Andropov .. Maybe Bonaire periodically promises Samsonova?
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    Quote: Stils
    The USSR destroyed not only Gorbachev, but also Yeltsin, which is obvious. Gorbachev created ideal conditions for this, and Yeltsin gladly took advantage.

    It all started much earlier.
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    Quote: rocket757
    Quote: Reptiloid
    I recalled the saying that ""ask for advice and then do the opposite""

    It’s possible in another way, I asked for advice, but I acted as I myself considered it necessary .... the same FIG, only with the other end.

    And this happens, and then he will say ': I consulted with the people. How did you consult and with whom is the tenth
  16. Unknown 11 March 2020 17: 32 New
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    Chernenko also made his own and tangible contribution to the collapse of the USSR ........... from March 1965, he headed the general department of the CPSU Central Committee, and he worked in this position for almost 15 years. Through it passed a large number of documents and files almost to the top, including the party, the Komsomol, trade unions, the leadership of the media and the national economy. ........... roughly speaking, he was the chief of staff of the Central Committee of the CPSU, and profiled all of these Yakovlev, Gorbachev, Shevarnadze, etc. not without reason comrade STALIN I.V. said, cadres decide everything, and what cadres did Chernenko pick up? you do not need seven spans in the forehead to have a dossier, and not to understand a person. and if you didn’t figure it out, or didn’t pay attention to some facts, in a personal file, then such a personnel officer is worthless. and the facts that should be paid attention to were in the biographies of the perestroika.
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      I also thought about it. He sat on the “frames” and Gorbachev with a dubious biography “missed” to the “top”.
  17. nikvic46 11 March 2020 18: 40 New
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    Many people think about why this happens. Now they talk a lot about "deep people." The people are transparent. But it seems that for a long time we always have deep opposition. On some show, it seems, an authoritative person claims to be led underground activities against the former state.
  18. Astra wild 11 March 2020 19: 40 New
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    Quote: apro
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    So is the party, as a supranational structure, guilty or is it betrayal?

    Yes, the party is guilty of the destruction of the USSR.

    Not the party, but the anti-Leninist elite in the party
  19. Simargl 11 March 2020 20: 41 New
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    What can be learned from this?
    The country should not be controlled by a person, but by a well-coordinated system, with clear plans (at least for 1000 years) wink ).
    A person is mortal, often all of a sudden, but a system ... a system can also be blamed, but for a long and expensive time.
    However, it was written 100 years ago almost ...
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    But I wonder how Gorbachev climbed to the “top”. During the war he lived in the occupied territory. How he was able to overcome the "filters". What did grandma say about this?

    Not so close she knew him, from work only. And people don’t talk about such things.
  21. place 12 March 2020 13: 53 New
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    What is there to make people laugh. about the "last attempt" .... like the fact that the bosses tensed for decades to save and develop the USSR, but it did not work, because "the system was not the same" ...... fantastic!

    As a result of such bankruptcy, for some reason, the bosses themselves did not become paupers and did not sprinkle ashes on their heads, but became millionaires and billionaires. Overstrained in the work of "saving the economy of the USSR." We know, sir ..... The main problem is different. The fact that the Russian people themselves do not care and sneeze, that they still “save” him as alive as the USSR, by burying him in a pit.
  22. rezerv66 12 March 2020 15: 00 New
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    Citizens
    Rejoiced
    Early
    Brezhny
    Andropova
    Chernenko
    Still
    Recall
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    So I want to spit in this photo.
  24. 1536 12 March 2020 17: 30 New
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    The party-Komsomol elite of the USSR broke away from the life of the people completely by the 1980s. A people crushed by various restrictions, laws, rules and codes, as well as a total shortage of goods, products and services, could not independently nominate a person who could lead the CPSU and the Soviet state following the example of the Polish Lech Walesa and his Solidarity , and the Soviet Deng Xiaoping could not appear in principle.
    The conclusion suggests itself: neither Chernenko, nor Andropov, nor Gorbachev, and the other Namenareks could already carry out the reforms they proposed in the economy and the socio-political sphere, and institutions designed to maintain the unity of the country, such as the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB, were inactive at best, if they did not indulge in the failure to fulfill their direct duties, an impending disaster - the destruction of the USSR. As a result of a series of provocations in the 1980s, it’s not hard to guess who organized it, as well as the war in Afghanistan, the army was virtually excluded from the political struggle, which ultimately resulted in the withdrawal of troops from Eastern Europe and the surrender of all conceivable and unthinkable positions won in 1941-1945 at the cost of 27 million lives of Soviet people.
    In the 1980s, the saying was popular: "You have to be closer to the people and people to reach for you." Alas, the functionaries of the CPSU did not follow this popular wisdom, and the 20-million-strong army of the Communists simply simply disappeared overnight, like sugar in a glass of water. Have lessons been learned from the sad history of the last years of the existence of the USSR. No, of course.
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      In conversations with Felix Chuyev, Molotov self-critically asserted that the separation of the elite, to which he himself belonged, from the common people, began to manifest itself already in the late 40s and early 50s, that is, already under late Stalin. At the same time, Molotov himself was an ardent Stalinist.
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    Andropov. He tried to implement a hidden plan for convergence (rapprochement) of the Soviet and Western systems. The entry of the USSR into the Western world, and the Soviet elite - into the global elite.

    If he wanted this, he would have survived and the collapse of the USSR went more smoothly than with Yeltsin. My opinion.
  26. krjugerfred 15 March 2020 21: 19 New
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    Judas labeled