Russian annals: there are many, and they are different


Nikon Chronicle. Page 702-703. Fund 304.II. Additional collection of the library of the Trinity Lavra of St. Sergius


Another last tale -
And my record is over,
Duty bequeathed to God
To me, a sinner. No wonder many years
God set me as a witness
And he instructed the book art;
Ever a hardworking monk
Find my hard work, nameless,
He will light up, like me, his lamp -
And, dusting the ages of the charters shaking off,
He will rewrite true stories ...
A.S. Pushkin. Boris Godunov


Historical science against pseudoscience. In the previous material about Russian chronicles, we tried not only to describe in detail about the quantitative characteristics of ancient Russian chronicles, especially their language, and their chronology, but also began to consider them in the regions of the country. In this case, this is important because the annals are written at different times and are nothing more than cross-references. And they are important for comparing their content and establishing the primary source of borrowing. Well, the local language, used by the authors of the local texts of dialecticism, requiring very good knowledge of the Old Russian language, excluding the very formulation of the question of falsification by foreigners. The fact that the erasures were found in the texts, as well as the rewritten and rewritten places, only speaks of the fact that our ancestors corrected them, who might be interested in humiliating their political opponents or elevating their own person, but this could not be connected with the machinations of the Vatican, the Jesuits, Masons and Anunnaki.

Today we continue our acquaintance with our annalistic sources.


“And along Oceretz, flowed into the Volga, sits Murom, his tongue, his face, his Meshcher’s tongue, and in Russia ... And these are the other languages, the same tribute they give to Russia: miracle, measure, all, muroma, mad, Mordovians. " XI century The news of the "Tale of Bygone Years" about the Mordovians, a people living in the region where the Oka flows into the Volga, having its own language and paying tribute to Russia. RGADA. From the Pskov First Annals. List of the XVII century. The manuscript of the stolnik V.N. Sobakina. F.181. Handwritten department of the MGAMID library. D.447 / 915. L. 6 vol.

In addition to those named in past material of regional chronicles in the first quarter of the XII century in a city such as Pereyaslavl Russky, an episcopal record was kept, which lasted until 1175, after which it was replaced by a princely chronicler who worked until 1228 or even a slightly longer period.

The Chernigov annals are also known, in particular, the "Chronicler of Svyatoslav Olgovich" that appeared in the 1140s, continued under the princes and sons of Svyatoslav - Oleg and Igor.

Chronicle was also conducted in the lands of North-Eastern Russia. For example, there were chronicles in the Rostov-Suzdal land, and its main centers were such cities as Vladimir, Suzdal, Rostov and Pereyaslavl.

In the Principality of Vladimir, annals began to be created in the middle of the XII century, and already in 1177, the first Vladimir annalistic compilation was compiled at the Assumption Cathedral in Vladimir. In 1193, 1212 and 1228, several grand-arch vaults appeared here at once. Moreover, the information in them was also combined with news from the annals of Pereyaslavl, that is, Pereyaslavl Russian.

Russian annals: there are many, and they are different

Radzivilovsky Chronicle. Library of the Academy of Sciences in St. Petersburg

It was in Vladimir in the 600th century that the famous Radziwill Chronicle was also created, known in two lists dating back to the XNUMXth century, including the Radziwill list, the pages of which adorn more than XNUMX beautiful miniatures.


Conversation of Vladimir Svyatoslavich with the Greek philosopher about Christianity. Radziwill Chronicle, l. 49 about Library of the Academy of Sciences in St. Petersburg

Among the annalistic monuments of Vladimir-Suzdal Rus, the most famous is the Lavrentievsky annals containing the "Tale of Bygone Years", and then continued by Vladimir-Suzdal annals until 1305. There are also the “Chronicler of Pereyaslavl of Suzdal”, dating back to the XNUMXth century, and the already mentioned Radziwill Chronicle.

In the XIII – XV centuries in Rostov, the annals were carried out at the episcopal court. Its fragments are reflected in a number of all-Russian vaults of the XNUMXthth centuries, and in the Yermolinsk annals dating back to the end of the XNUMXth century.

Chronicle among the Pskovites arose later than in other places, namely in the XIII century. At first he was led at the Pskov Trinity Cathedral, and the posadnik himself followed him. There were local good records and chronographic materials. Later chronicle vaults of 1464, 1469, 1481 and con were created. 1480s. The oldest Pskov chronicle that has come down to us is the Pskov second chronicle, which was brought up to 1486 and is known in one list dating back to the mid-1480s. But even after the loss of independence by Pskov, the annals in it continued. A vault of 1547 appeared - the Pskov First Chronicle. The one who composed it clearly sympathized with Moscow and its sovereigns, but their governors got it. Well, this is traditional for Russia: the sovereign is good, the boyars are bad! But the vault of 1567 Cornelius, hegumen of the Pskov-Pechersky monastery, which created the Pskov third chronicle, on the contrary, reflects the position of the Pskov nobility displeased with Moscow.

In Tver, the rival city of Moscow, the annals began at the end of the 1485th century and were carried out until 1305, when the Grand Duchy of Tver was annexed to the Russian state. Thus, the Tver annalistic text is found in the Grand Princely Code of 1327, which underlies the Lavrentievsky Chronicle. Scientists also distinguish the following Tver arches: 1409, XNUMX, etc. Tver sources are also included in the Rogozhsky chronicler, dating back to the first half of the XNUMXth century. The Tver Chronicle (Tver collection), which contains fragments of the Tver chronicles of the late XIII - late XV centuries, is also preserved and presented in the lists of the XVII century.

In Moscow, which opposed Tver, brief records of events were kept at the Metropolitan's Court. The family chronicle of the princes Danilovich is also known. That is, in Moscow there was a princely and metropolitan annals parallel to it. Then, already in 1389, the Great Russian Chronicler was prepared, the first Moscow Grand Princely Chronicle Code, and then the All-Russian Trinity Chronicle, which set forth events in the state until 1408. Moreover, it was created on the basis of a variety of sources: Novgorod, Tver, Pskov, Smolensk, etc. That is, the annals of other lands were brought to Moscow, read, compared, and the general information that was in them over the years was already copied to the annals of Moscow, and (this is understandable) in the corresponding edition. It is not surprising, therefore, that the Trinity Chronicle is distinguished not only by the predominance of Moscow “News", But also a very positive attitude towards Moscow princes and metropolitans.

The Moscow Grand Princely Arch of 1479 became one of the largest annalistic monuments of the period of the second half of the 1613th century. Its main ideological basis was the substantiation of the rights of the great princes of Moscow to power over Novgorod. A later version of it, the Moscow Grand Princely Arch of the late XNUMXth century, also survived and survived to this day. There is also the Simeonov Chronicle, known from the list of the XNUMXth century. So, when semi-literate "journalists" of the same category, "historians" write that the annals corresponded in order to prove the right of the Romanovs to power, they heard a ringing, but they don’t know where it is. Such "work" on the chronicle material has always been carried out, and by no means with the accession of the Romanov dynasty. But it was held at the time, and not after XNUMX or under Peter the Great, which did not need to prove anything to anyone at all - he possessed such power!


The collection is annalistic, in two books. f. 556, No. 34. / 1 ​​/ Turn of the sheet 41 | Sheet 42. Additional collection of the Trinity-Sergius Lavra Library

The Nikon Chronicle was originally created by Metropolitan Daniel around the 1520s. This is a large-scale compilation, the compiler of which used various sources: annals, novels, texts of lives, etc. It is not surprising that this chronicle is also considered one of the largest monuments of Russian chronicles of the XVI century. But here is what is especially interesting: this code puts the interests of the church in the first place, and it is precisely our Orthodox Church! And then what about the statements of some commentators on “VO” that “Vatican agents” “properly traced our annals” or “trampled down” on them? Why didn’t they notice such an important document? Bad, bad Vatican agents worked for us ...

Until the middle of the XVI century. and the Moscow annals were also conducted continuously. His most famous monuments of this period are called the Resurrection Chronicle and the Chronicler of the Beginning of the Kingdom. The Resurrection Chronicle is based on the Moscow Grand Princely Code of the late 1533th century, the first edition of which was begun in 1542, and the most recent, the third, appeared in 1544–1533. In the "Chronicle of the beginning of the kingdom" information was reported in 1552-1556, and then it continued until 1560-1568. In 1576 years. in the Aleksandrovskaya Sloboda, on a special royal order, work began on the grand Chronicles, which later came to the patriarch Nikon and gave the name of the entire chronicle.

The first three volumes of the codebook were devoted to the events of world history, then the seven volumes tell about the events of Russian history from 1114 to 1567, and the very last volume, entitled The Royal Book, was entirely devoted to the reign of Ivan the Terrible.

At the end of the 1652th century, the “Patriarchal Annalistic Arch” was created in Miracle Monastery 1670, 1680, 1690 and in two editions of XNUMX. It is important to note that its compiler writes in it about the God's chosen Russian state and its rulers. We emphasize - the election! And then where is the diminution of Russia and its history?


Ivan IV sends Osip Nepey to England. Thumbnail Nikon Chronicle. XVI century. Vologda in the past millennium: Essays on the history of the city. Vologda, 2004.S. 48

In the XV-XVI centuries, short chroniclers are created at monasteries: Kirillo-Belozersky, Joseph-Volokolamsky, Trinity-Sergievsky, Solovetsky, Spaso-Yaroslavsky. Provincial chronicles are also being conducted in many other cities, for example, Vologda, Veliky Ustyugk, Perm.

In the same XVI century, other forms of historical messages began to appear, which depart in form from the annals: “The power book” (“The book of the power of the royal family tree”) and “Kazan history” (“History of the Kazan kingdom”, “Kazan chronicler”) which are very little like chronicles, so to speak, in their pure form. These include the Chronicle of many rebellions and the New Chronicler. The latter describes the period from the end of the reign of Ivan the Terrible until 1630, and this is a very important monument of the first third of the XNUMXth century. There is a version that he was prepared surrounded by Patriarch Filaret with the involvement of an extensive source base: official letters and various documents of the Time of Troubles, and various chronicles.

In Siberia, colonized by the Russian state, its annals were also kept. Metropolitan Cyprian of Tobolsk was considered his initiator. Until our time, several such Siberian annals have survived, which more or less differ in their content from one another. As a rule, all of them are devoted mainly to Yermak’s campaigns and other historical facts of the “capture” of Siberia.


Miniature from the Remezov Chronicle, end of the XNUMXth century (Ermak and Yermakov Strugi)

And even in the XIV-XVI centuries, chronicles were kept in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and since there was no proper Lithuanian writing and historiography then, they were kept in the so-called West Russian written language. The centers of annals were Smolensk and Polotsk. Three chronicles have been preserved, two of which contain information about the Grand Duke of Lithuania Vytautas and the history of the State of Lithuania from the death of Gediminus to the death of Vytautas. The third vault, Bykhovets Chronicle, breaks off in 1507, but since it looks at the time from 1446 to 1506, it is an important historical source. There are also local annals: the Barkulabov Annals, the Mogilev Chronicle, the Vitebsk Annals and several others. By the way, that it would be entirely possible to try to fake the “Vatican agents” in order to prove Lithuania’s supremacy over Russia, so to speak, but it never occurred to them. Some kind of stupid they are in general, all these "agents". But you can only notice this by reading PSRL. But this is some kind of work ... Therefore, it is easier for "specialists" to make their historical "discoveries", simply not reading all these volumes.

By the way, there are also Ukrainian annals that date back to the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries. They are often called "Cossack Chronicles." This is not exactly what we mean by weather recordings of events, but they contain information about Bogdan Khmelnitsky and his contemporaries.

There is a Lviv annals of the mid-1649th century and brought to 1648; “The Chronicle of the Samovid” (1702-1648), the first Cossack chronicle, which is distinguished by great expressiveness and liveliness of presentation, and almost parallel to it is the “Chronicle of the Hadiach Colonel Grigory Grabyanka” (1709) of the year; moreover, in it the author writes about the Cossacks, who, in his opinion, come from the Khazars. All this literature is completed by The History of Russes, the author of which, unfortunately, is unknown. It reflects the views of the Ukrainian intelligentsia of the XVIII century.


"The chronicle of a seer on the wars of Bohdan Khmelnitsky" (1846). Facsimile copy. RoyalLib.com Digital Library

Well, now a few conclusions. The total number of annals (more than 5000 volumes) is too large for it to be at least some kind of fake. Moreover, the analysis of their text did not reveal in them the presence of any unified algorithm for their correction, which would have to be present if such work was carried out purposefully.

In fact, the information in the annals is so diverse in nature, there are so many borrowings that it’s obvious, let's say, the current, that is, from summer to summer, nature of their writing. None of the inserts, erasures, or corrections does not humiliate the national dignity of the Russians and their religion; rather, on the contrary, the Russians and their faith are magnified. It is constantly emphasized that Russia is the third Rome, there shouldn’t be a fourth! Funny "humiliation", right?

To be continued ...
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  1. Talgarets 21 March 2020 06: 20 New
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    All theories about a systematic and purposeful falsification of primary sources are based on the idea of ​​the secret activities of some organization, with the goal of hiding an event in its own interests. At the same time, the mysterious organization seems extremely powerful, omnipresent, having long-term (for centuries) action plans and carefully protecting its archives. All the executors of the organization’s ideas are silent, executive, and, obviously, people devoted to the idea.
    If you remove the idea of ​​covert activities, all the other arguments of the alternatives will simply crumble.
    It seems to me that there is something from paranoia.
    Just think, thousands of historians across the planet knowingly lie for their regalia! While the "inconsistencies" rod out of all the cracks! Some kind of sect!
    The funny thing is that the "exposure" of academic science has long turned into a profitable business. Just look at the number of subscribers to the YouTube channel "Kramola" and the shelves of bookstores.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, you are writing very interestingly, but amateurs of alternative whistleblowers will simply not be able to accept this. They have different initial premises, and therefore the conclusions will be different.
    1. Insurgent 21 March 2020 06: 31 New
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      Quote: Talgarets
      It seems to me that there is something from paranoia.

      yes yes yes
      A tiny example of paranoid efforts to distort history, though not so distant.

      Yuzovka, Stalin, our Donetsk.

      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 March 2020 06: 51 New
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        Vyacheslav Olegovich many thanks for the continuation of the cycle!
        Today is just the case when the morning succeeded on the branch you "chronicles" and Valery "with pirates"!
        Regards, Vlad!
        1. kalibr 21 March 2020 07: 40 New
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          Dear Vladislav! Glad you liked it. There will be at least one more material on this subject.
        2. Trilobite Master 21 March 2020 11: 50 New
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Vyacheslav Olegovich many thanks for the continuation of the cycle!

          I join and support. I would suggest the site administration publish this cycle annually, and preferably twice a year - in the spring and in the fall. smile Repetition is the mother of learning. Let it be written “to the mind, to the heart, to the liver and the rest of the rotten liver” of all our folkhistorics, so that the teeth bounce off: the annals are not fakes. smile
          1. Catfish 21 March 2020 12: 25 New
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            Hi Michael! hi
            I join you and Vlad, but now doubts are gnawing at me that “something can ever reach the“ rotten liver ”. At least twice a year, print, at least twenty-two - it's useless. request
      2. Talgarets 21 March 2020 10: 09 New
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        Curious video, only incoherent. Inspected until "Peter I signed a decree on the ESTABLISHMENT of the Donetsk coal basin"
        1. Looking for 21 March 2020 16: 31 New
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          it’s only necessary to single out not the “institution” but the “Donetsk coal basin.”
    2. Sergey79 21 March 2020 07: 22 New
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      You are a little wrong about the "alternative" ... The sources are the same as in official history. Only the conclusions from these sources are different. Yes, and many questions arise for representatives of official history ...
      1. 3x3zsave 21 March 2020 08: 04 New
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        Yes, and many questions arise for representatives of official history ...
        The fact is that "traditions" understand this, perceiving History as a dynamic science. Unlike the "folks," who, clinging to one idea, rush with it as "with a written bag."
        1. Barmaleyka 21 March 2020 08: 15 New
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          Quote: 3x3zsave
          The fact is that "traditions" understand this, perceiving History as a dynamic science.

          An interesting approach, that is, the description of events can change?
          1. tlauicol 21 March 2020 08: 19 New
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            Quote: Barmaleyka
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            The fact is that "traditions" understand this, perceiving History as a dynamic science.

            An interesting approach, that is, the description of events can change?

            You will not believe, but also mathematics, and physics, and astronomy, etc. dynamically developing
            1. 3x3zsave 21 March 2020 08: 57 New
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              Ivan! hi
              Unpromising, in my opinion.
              1. tlauicol 21 March 2020 08: 59 New
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                Quote: 3x3zsave
                Ivan! hi
                Unpromising, in my opinion.

                Perhaps. Amputation only
                1. kalibr 21 March 2020 11: 33 New
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                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  Perhaps. Amputation only

                  Lobotomy!
                  1. 3x3zsave 21 March 2020 12: 44 New
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                    Oh, Vyacheslav Olegovich! You feel that the "professional deformation syndrome" lets you go! laughing
            2. Barmaleyka 21 March 2020 09: 00 New
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              Quote: Tlauicol
              You will not believe, but also mathematics, and physics, and astronomy, etc. dynamically developing

              You will be surprised, but between Genghis Khan and neutrino there is a small difference
              1. 3x3zsave 21 March 2020 09: 37 New
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                Between glaciology and emperor Justinian, too. But it was the first that confirmed the onset of the Late Antique ice age, described in sources from the reign of the second.
              2. Trilobite Master 21 March 2020 12: 07 New
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                Quote: Barmaleyka
                between Genghis Khan and neutrino there is a small difference

                So let profile specialists do both. And then mathematicians and biochemists divorced in history ...
                1. 3x3zsave 21 March 2020 14: 25 New
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                  Michael! I would not so sharply deny the interpenetration of disciplines. Of course, there are always enough whoopers oratory to the needs of the “crowd”, but mathematics and biochemistry, in the right hands, are a good tool for studying history!
                  1. Trilobite Master 21 March 2020 14: 31 New
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                    Forensics without forensics will be very difficult. But a forensic doctor in the role of an investigator is generally nonsense.
                    1. 3x3zsave 21 March 2020 14: 47 New
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                      Nowadays, journalists often act as investigators, especially when forensic investigators, prosecutors and forensic investigators shut their mouths administratively. However, this trend arose and developed long before our birth.
                      1. Trilobite Master 21 March 2020 15: 10 New
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                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Today, the role of investigators is often played by journalists,

                        I well know the value of their investigations ...
                      2. 3x3zsave 21 March 2020 15: 44 New
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                        Of course, Michael! Alas, I, too ... However, you, I hope, will not object to the fact of administrative pressure on the investigation? Oh yeah! To be honest, this is not the fault of Russian legal practice; it started about 700 years ago, in Europe, when the “hordes” began to change to “inquisites”.
                      3. Trilobite Master 21 March 2020 17: 56 New
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                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        administrative pressure

                        Was it possible to do without him? smile
      2. 3x3zsave 21 March 2020 08: 25 New
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        Description - naturally, the event itself - is unlikely.
        1. Catfish 21 March 2020 12: 27 New
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          So they will write that there was no such event, and that’s the point.
          Hello Anton! drinks
          1. 3x3zsave 21 March 2020 15: 08 New
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            Do not write. For everyone writes in Russian, respectively, are in the area of ​​the Russian paradigm. The denial of the bifurcation points of which, for Russian-speaking "folkhistorics" - is like death! For, for people who speak at least two languages, they are not interesting, not at all interesting.
            1. Catfish 21 March 2020 15: 21 New
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              The denial of the bifurcation points of which,

              But was it difficult to write in Russian? I had to call my spouse to translate. She translated, but said that you, sir ... an unprintable word meaning ... well, show off.
              But I understood everything and in essence I agree with you.
              PS Come to me, watch the bazaar, otherwise the men may misunderstand. drinks
              1. 3x3zsave 21 March 2020 16: 07 New
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                Uncle Kostya! Do not seem less intelligent than it is, in a society of like-minded people. Today, Shpakovsky has already noticed this. As for the "men", I can reduce the degree of my "intellectuality" to the necessary level and enjoy communicating with the homeless.
                1. Catfish 21 March 2020 16: 09 New
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                  We do not hold homeless people, have long been self-possessed. laughing
                  1. 3x3zsave 21 March 2020 16: 18 New
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                    This is bad. When homeless people stop living in garbage cans, other creatures, species, well, at least rats come there ...
                  2. Catfish 21 March 2020 16: 28 New
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                    There are so many cats grazing that rats and nose do not stick. Thank God the real big garbage dump is located in a neighboring village and my turnover is just too lazy to lug around there. smile
                  3. Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 March 2020 19: 45 New
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                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    There are so many cats grazing that rats and nose do not stick. Thank God the real big garbage dump is located in a neighboring village and my turnover is just too lazy to lug around there. smile

                    Well this is not a fact!
                    My wife, until recently, believed that her Kishonka Sonya was on the kitchen table “not with her foot” !! wink
                  4. Catfish 21 March 2020 19: 49 New
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                    Well, she didn’t go by her foot, but her paw was another matter. And as for my own opinion, I’m sure that it’s far to go far and lazy, but here it’s complete expanse of gardens, and hunting is good, it drags mice every day, once it dragged a rat. smile
                  5. Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 March 2020 20: 47 New
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                    Pied Piper, well done !!!
                  6. Catfish 21 March 2020 21: 03 New
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                    I used to hear that only cats catch rats, not cats. Here is my bandit and engaged in the refutation of this slander. smile
                  7. Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 March 2020 21: 49 New
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                    My only whiskas in a bowl! wink
                    At mom, Stesha cat catches everything that moves, flies and crawls!
                    Old cats also did not shun rats - "they crushed only on the way."
                  8. Phil77 22 March 2020 07: 50 New
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                    You know Vlad, and my Filipka from viskas has long turned her nose. laughing I had to go to * Gourmet * in jars. It's a little expensive of course, but you can’t explain to him.
                  9. Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 March 2020 08: 21 New
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                    Mine pops everything from royal horsemeat to whiskas - it’s not picky.
  • kalibr 21 March 2020 09: 01 New
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    Vladimir! Here in VO there were two of my articles about the so-called FIUM INCIDENT. Search through the search engine and read ... Just the answer to your question.
  • Talgarets 21 March 2020 10: 52 New
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    Very often, the description of the same events in different sources is different. For example, the description of the battle on Lake Peipsi in the Russian annals and the Livonian rhymed chronicles differ significantly. And how many versions of the Katyn execution!
    But, the fact of the events is not disputed by anyone, disputes go around interpretations.
    It should be borne in mind that new documents are constantly being introduced into scientific circulation, archaeological finds are being made. This is called a dynamically developing history.
    For example: as a child, I read that the synanthropes in the Zhoukoudian cave during continuous, for centuries, burning wood, burned a layer of ash of several meters. Modern researchers have established that this is not ashes, but mineralized silt brought into the cave after the synanthropes left when the cave was flooded.
    1. tlauicol 21 March 2020 12: 34 New
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      this is the sinatrops dragged winked

  • Caretaker 21 March 2020 10: 23 New
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    Quote: Sergey79
    You are a little wrong about the "alternative" ... The sources are the same as in official history. Only the conclusions from these sources are different. Yes, and many questions arise for representatives of official history ...

    If you call anyone doubting the "alternative", then confident that everything written before the "N" year is not subject to discussion should be attributed to the "conservatives."
    Probably the truth is somewhere in between.
    1. Talgarets 21 March 2020 11: 31 New
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      There is a significant difference between doubting the reliability of a historical source and creating theories that conceptually change the picture of the world.
      Any adequate researcher is simply obliged to question the reliability of the information received.
      A short example:
      1. According to the PVL, Svyatoslav Igorevich was born when his father Igor Rurikovich was 67 years old - these dates are in doubt among all historians, but they have an impact on the overall picture of the historical process. Moreover, this situation is, in principle, possible.
      2. The name of Argentina and the Argun River come from the tribal group of Argyn, which became part of the Kazakh people (by the type of Slavic drevlyany, Vyatichi) - this statement is obviously false.
      1. Caretaker 21 March 2020 12: 51 New
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        Quote: Talgarets
        There is a significant difference between doubting the reliability of a historical source and creating theories that conceptually change the picture of the world.

        I agree, but there is a significant difference between the allegations that the unreliability of the sources requires justification and the assertion that each of the "5000" is not fake.

        At least five of the 16 fragments of the Qumran manuscripts acquired for the American Museum turned out to be fake. Scientists have begun checking the rest of the manuscripts. The fake scandal threatens to become the largest in biblical archeology after the sensational case with the exposure of the "Gospel of the wife of Jesus."
        The famous Qumran manuscripts (also known as the Dead Sea Scrolls) are fake, they said in the Washington Museum of the Bible, where artifacts were exhibited. According to experts, at least five of the 16 fragments owned by the institution were created much later than previously thought. Moreover, pieces of ancient parchment may have been used for their manufacture.
        https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2018/10/23_a_12031771.shtml

        Note: The source is so-so, found the first link that came across on this issue.

        After the assertion that the "earth is round" the picture of the world has conceptually changed, then is it wrong?

        Quote: Talgarets
        according to PVL

        PVL also contains obvious typos, errors and inconsistencies. "History is written by the winners."
        (Just now before me is the book "Tales of Ancient Russia" Compiled by Natalya Vladimirovna Ponyrko, Introductory article by N.V. Likhachev).
        Many "pre-Christian" sources were destroyed. For example, how many Slavic idols are known on the territory of the Russian Federation, Belarus and Ukraine? Surely, the same fate befell other possible sources.
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        The name of Argentina and the Argun River come from the tribal group of Argyn

        In this case, a set of names is incorrectly selected.
        Often, we reject versions due to lack of knowledge.
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          The famous Qumran manuscripts (also known as the Dead Sea Scrolls) are fake, they said in the Washington Bible Museum, where artifacts were exhibited. According to a study by experts, at least five of the 16 fragments owned by the institution were created much later than previously thought. Moreover, pieces of ancient parchment may have been used to make them.

          It is important to look at the content. We are talking about the fact that the "Germans" forged chronicles in order to diminish the glory of the Russians. However, this depreciation is not visible anywhere.
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            Quote: kalibr
            It is important to look at the content. We are talking about the fact that the "Germans" forged chronicles in order to diminish the glory of the Russians. However, this depreciation is not visible anywhere.

            In the last two articles, you conclude that all "5000" documents are not fake.
            As evidence, give calculations on labor costs and the lack of interest of the "Germans".
            Firstly, if one or more documents is fake, then the proof with justification of excessive labor costs is untenable. If part of the document (s) is changed, then even more so.
            Secondly, you are not able to guarantee an unbiased attitude of officials (of any rank), i.e. this is just your guess, no more.
            Thirdly, part of the documents or fragments could be destroyed, in this case, no subsequent examination will reveal an “offense”.
            Finally, they could fake or destroy up to the "Germans", and the use of old parchment in ancient times was widespread, i.e. parchment is not proof of authenticity or forgery, of course, provided that the inscription is made later than the date of manufacture of the parchment.
            It turns out that your "evidence" is only the opinion of the majority, nothing more.
            PS Your use of the receiver with "5000" is not correct, to say the least.
        2. Talgarets 21 March 2020 13: 34 New
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          The famous Qumran manuscripts (also known as the Dead Sea Scrolls) are fake, they said in the Washington Museum of the Bible, where artifacts were exhibited. According to a study by experts, at least five of the 16 fragments owned by the institution were created much later than previously thought.

          Here is a normal scientific approach.

          Another thing is to shoot a 16-minute video entitled "HISTORY AGAIN LIES US AGAIN. 100% Evidence that mammoths lived in the 19th century." Where two videos are given as evidence:
          1. a very blurred video of a bear dragging a fish where the resulting spot resembles a mammoth.
          2. A mirror-excerpt from a series of 6 episodes of the Air Force film "Walking with the Beasts"
          And who after that lied?
          1. Caretaker 21 March 2020 21: 31 New
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            Quote: Talgarets
            1. a very blurred video of a bear dragging a fish where the resulting spot resembles a mammoth.
            2. A mirror-excerpt from a series of 6 episodes of the Air Force film "Walking with the Beasts"

            I don’t see the connection, we are discussing documents, not video.
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              Veles book?
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                Veles book?

                What is Veles book?
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                  Example of falsification.
                  I don’t see the connection, we are discussing documents, not video.

                  Although, this can not be called a document, since the original has never been examined.
                  You can still give an example of Ura-Linda - the Frisian chronicle with a similar story.
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                Veles book?

                Birch bark letters. It took almost a century and the interest of the state for the "conceptual change", in your expression, of the idea of ​​the literacy of the population of Ancient Russia.
        3. Solo2503 21 March 2020 15: 12 New
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          A typical example of modern magazines! If you read the message of the “Museum of the Bible” about this situation, it says that the authenticity checks were made for the finds that the museum acquired after 2002. Who bought them and where they were until this time is not reported. So they were recognized as fakes. Not understanding the situation, they started screaming "the naked king" all over the world! "More careful, comrades!"
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            Quote: Solo2503
            Who bought them and where they were until this time is not reported. So they were recognized as fakes. Not understanding the situation, they started screaming "the naked king" all over the world!

            They bought it definitely not at the market and probably conducted a preliminary examination.
            After 18 years, it turned out that "the king is naked by 30%." If they had bought in 1982, the king would have been "bare" 38 years after the purchase, and if in 1682. (for example, acquired the Vatican library), then through 338.
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          Quote: Caretaker
          In this case, a set of names is incorrectly selected.
          Often, we reject versions due to lack of knowledge.

          But this is precisely how a very specific person selects them here in support of his "theories." Who maybe you already noticed? Or call?
          1. Caretaker 21 March 2020 21: 55 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            But this is precisely how a very specific person selects them here in support of his "theories." Who maybe you already noticed? Or call?

            I am sure that names with the same root with Argentina are easy to pick up on the territory of Eurasia, i.e. there will be a connection between place names, although if you don’t know about Latin, then anyone suggesting this could be called an “alternative person”, because the conservatives do not know such a language (suppose).
            Moreover, "Latin" may not know and put forward a hypothesis.
  • Talgarets 21 March 2020 10: 32 New
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    I am not a historian, but I am well aware that the existence of some conspiratorial Masonic-Jewish-Annunaki organization, rewriting the history of peoples over several centuries is very unlikely. You can hide minor events, for example, the details of a palace coup, and you won’t be able to hide the fact of a change in power. One can reconsider the interpretation of events, attitudes towards historical characters (for example, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, Richard III, Paul I), but their existence cannot be hidden.
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      Only by creating a generation who is completely indifferent to the existence of Paul I and others like him.
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        Quote: Korsar4
        only by creating a generation who is completely indifferent to the existence of Paul I and others like him.

        There will always be those who are interested. ALWAYS! For example, the past doesn’t matter to me at all. But I do it ... Because it is primarily interesting.
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          In general, yes, but the word mankurt is not accidentally put into circulation.
  • Trilobite Master 21 March 2020 12: 01 New
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    Sources are the same as in official history.

    Here you are wrong. The fact of the matter is that these wiseacres, when their "theories" are criticized with an emphasis on sources that they themselves do not know, blatantly and shamelessly declare these sources to be fakes and fakes. Well, there is nowhere in the annals of either Tartaria or the Cossack hordes, but about the evil-tarted Tatars, to which the Russian princes went for labels. Not a single chronicle even hints that Andrei Bogolyubsky is Jesus Christ, and the Prophetic Oleg was named Cleopatra. And Novgorod and Yaroslavl according to the annals are different cities, the first more than the second for a good hundred years. And the Mongol invasion there is described in detail and from different points of view. There is nowhere to go, so this conspiracy theological nonsense begins.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 March 2020 20: 01 New
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      Not a single chronicle even hints that Andrei Bogolyubsky is Jesus Christ, and the Prophetic Oleg was named Cleopatra. And Novgorod and Yaroslavl according to the annals are different cities, the first more than the second for a good hundred years. And the Mongol invasion there is described in detail and from different points of view. There is nowhere to go, so this conspiracy theological nonsense begins.

      And I thought, Andrei Bogolyubsky, this recourse non-traditional sexual orientation. Prophetic Oleg is not Cleopatra, but Cleopatra, we nipped something, well, he started to scream !!! The new city is the old Yaroslavl. Mongol invasion .....
      Now seriously! Historical sources, this is not an axiom of objective reality, in reality it is a subjective, politicized, and much more similar description of events! By the way, many times, rewritten (since there are so many more to the printing press), sometimes supplemented and corrected (there were always enough clever people in clerks), and even it didn’t fully reach us (fires, elements, wars ...)! But, most importantly, people who work with sources, paradoxically, know this!
      So why should you pester a goat with a drum with your accordion !!!
      Regards, Vlad!
  • kalibr 21 March 2020 07: 29 New
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    Vyacheslav Olegovich, you are writing very interestingly, but amateurs of alternative whistleblowers will simply not be able to accept this. They have different initial premises, and therefore the conclusions will be different.

    Thanks! But, as they say, all that I can ... And the fact that we are not treated from the head, I know for a long time.
    1. 3x3zsave 21 March 2020 08: 09 New
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      And the fact that they do not treat us from the head, I know for a long time.
      As the events of the last 2-3 weeks show, they do not treat anywhere in the world.
      Thanks for the article, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
      1. kalibr 21 March 2020 08: 28 New
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        Dear Anton! And the "Pareto Law" is therefore the law that acts on a planetary scale ...
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          I suspect that this is a specific infectious disease.
      2. Korsar4 21 March 2020 11: 19 New
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        Which chronicler will describe all this?

        As, however, the events of the 90s in our country.
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          Sergei! hi
          I think this will be described by another media of reason. I may be obsessed with Kurzweil’s ideas, but in my opinion, humanity, in its stupidity, “broke through the bottom” and came close to lemmings. Further cliff and ocean.
          "There is no limit to the triumphs of the human mind over common sense."
          1. Korsar4 21 March 2020 12: 27 New
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            It’s bad that we are in this system. And she is omnipresent.
            And all actions are worship of the Great Imitation.
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              It’s bad that we are in this system. And she is omnipresent.
              It `s naturally. We are human beings, and like any other social animal, we cannot exist outside the system.
          2. kalibr 21 March 2020 12: 37 New
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            Anton, and the level of human brain development has been declining for the past 10 thousand years, since the advent of cities. The amount of memory decreased, the ability to generate new mental images. So when the aliens nevertheless arrive to conquer us, a crowd of drooling idiots may well meet them. Something like Wells Aeloes!
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              Vyacheslav Olegovich, I, looking into the future, see "only graves, the look, of course, is very barbaric, but true"
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                Sunrises and sunsets will be. Mountains and streams. Trees and flowers. Children. Animals.
  • Bar1 21 March 2020 09: 18 New
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    Well, now a few conclusions. The total number of annals (more than 5000 volumes) is too large for it to be at least some kind of fake.


    no one says that all (according to your estimates 5000) annals are falsified. Only some are falsified, for example, the Radzivilovskaya RL annals with terrible pictures and geographical blunders.
    The historians Fomenko and Nosovsky conducted an analysis of the RL and found out that the manuscript was falsified, the numbering of the annals corrected, and a sheet was inserted on which the events are specifically linked to modern chronology.
    And even in the XIV-XVI centuries, chronicles were kept in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and, since there was no proper Lithuanian writing and historiography then, they were written in the so-called West Russian written language


    Now I like it. you directly say that the Lithuanian writing grew out of Ruska at one time? The Bible of Francis Skorina was written in Russian in 1517 .. Then there were "Lithuanian" texts, and then Lithuania became Belarus and again switched to Russian. Well, the story.
    And this is correct. But this is not only in the ON, but also in Polonium / Polaniya, too. I have already quoted quotes from the STATUTE of Zhigimont 3, where he indicates that the Polish constitutions should be translated and written in Russian.
    And here is Ivan Sudebnik 3, which says complete rubbish from the point of view of the OI, that it is precisely Christians who refuse to move from place to place on Yuryev’s day, instead of permission to cross.
    Conclusion NOT ALL 5000 manuscripts say that the story is traditional and official.
    1. kalibr 21 March 2020 09: 49 New
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      no one says all is faked

      Well, glory to Boggu, the ice has broken! Although this was achieved ... It used to be claimed that everything!
      Now it’s like this: fakes should be different from fakes for the worse, otherwise why should they be faked? So? And they do not differ. And then what for a goat button accordion?
    2. Caretaker 21 March 2020 10: 13 New
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      ... no one says that all (according to your estimates 5000) annals are forged.

      Why nobody? Vyacheslav from article to article claims to speak and argue precisely with the statement about "5000", without exception.
    3. Trilobite Master 21 March 2020 12: 31 New
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      Quote: Bar1
      Only a few have been falsified, for example, the Radzivilovskaya RL Chronicle with terrible pictures and geographical blunders.

      You, apart from Foyenko, read something, watch, listen? Are you aware that the Radziwill Chronicle is a list from an earlier chronicle, with which several more lists were made and in these lists the sheets lost in the Radziwill Chronicle are preserved, everything is perfectly readable and does not contain any such revelations? You figured out page numbering, how was it done? No. It is enough for you to familiarize yourself with the delirium of the amateur Fomenko or one of his relatives to begin broadcasting this nonsense without banknotes and critical reflection.
      Quote: Bar1
      Lithuanian writing grew out of Russian at one time?

      The Lithuanian princes up to Vytautas ALL kept their correspondence in Russian. This is known to everyone who is even a little familiar with the story. But you are too lazy with your cronyism even to have a superficial acquaintance with what you so violently expose. Then, after a series of unions, Lithuania began to take a stand. Part of the lands of the GDL Russia returned relatively quickly and returned the Russian language to them. And again, you confuse horseradish with carrots - modern Lithuania and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
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      Christians refuses on St. George's Day to move from place to place, instead of permission

      You are truly amazingly stupid and stubborn. The Russian language has already explained to you that the word "refusal" in the time of Ivan III and now means slightly different things. “Deny property” or “refuse right” then precisely meant “transfer”, “endow”, and not at all prohibition of something.
      Maybe already disgraceful enough? You’ll get into psychiatric textbooks so soon ... during your lifetime.
      laughing
      1. Bar1 21 March 2020 16: 35 New
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        one of the tricks of the liar-propagandist is to throw garbage information. There is a lot of talk, but not about anything, but around and around what this counter-genesis uses.
        The fact that the Radzivilo annals and other annals are lists with PVL everyone knows what to talk about it?
        And the fact that it is the LIST of the Radzivil’s chronicle is corrected, and therefore falsified, is proved by the historians Fomenko and Nosovsky. To say that it is against is to talk, as this local inhabitant does. It is necessary to say specifically that he is not satisfied, but he cannot sit down.

        Quote: Trilobite Master
        The Lithuanian princes up to Vytautas ALL kept their correspondence in Russian.

        everyone knows this too, but the chatter continues.

        Quote: Trilobite Master
        Then, after a series of unions, Lithuania began to take a stand.


        lies, Litvins / Belarusians ALWAYS spoke excellent Russian. If they started to indulge in Polish, then they would no longer be remade, like the Poles or now ukrov.

        about St. George's Day dude.
        the text is like that.
        About Christian denial
        if there was a "refuse-transmit", then the meaning would be
        About the Christian transfer of property?
        Christians transfer property from the rural municipality to the village of Issheha for one term in a year.
        The meaning is LOST. It is completely not clear what is at stake.
        Moreover, the meaning of the JI
        Christians are allowed to move from place to place one term in a year.

        So do not lie.
        This phrase of Sudebnik becomes understandable only if, under Ivan 3, Christians did not have broad rights and Christianity was infringed, which means there was ANOTHER RELIGION, as Alexander Pyzhikov says, saying that the schismatics are not Christians.
        1. kalibr 21 March 2020 17: 44 New
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          And here is Ivan Sudebnik 3, which says complete rubbish from the point of view of the OI, that it is precisely Christians who refuse to move from place to place on Yuryev’s day, instead of permission to cross.

          And before, you wrote like this ... And they just refuse, that is, it is allowed! Open any textbook of the Old Slavonic language ... there it is. Here, for example, is a very good textbook. Ivanova T.A. Old Slavonic language: Textbook. - 2nd edition, rev. and add. - St. Petersburg: Publishing House of St. Petersburg. University, 1998. By the way, he is on the Web.
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            And before you wrote like this ... And they just refuse, that is, it is allowed!


            and where am I writing this?
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              What you wrote is in italics above. Below is my text. What is incomprehensible here? Or are their own letters incomprehensible?
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                Quote: kalibr
                What you wrote is in italics above. Below is my text. What is incomprehensible here? Or are their own letters incomprehensible?

                Do you seem a dishonest person?
    4. Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 March 2020 20: 05 New
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      Conclusion NOT ALL 5000 manuscripts say that the story is traditional and official.

      No, you tell me exactly how many are faked in grams !!!
  • Slavutich 21 March 2020 10: 09 New
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    The alternative is often from brain problems, and it is very unfortunate!
  • Gene84 21 March 2020 06: 40 New
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    In an introductory article to the publication "Izbornik. A collection of tales of ancient Russia," academician Likhachev said the following:
    "Russian literature is nearly a thousand years old. It is one of the most ancient literatures in Europe. It is older than French, English, German literature. Its beginning dates back to the second half of the XNUMXth century. Of this great millennium, more than seven hundred years belong to the period that is commonly called" ancient Russian literature "...
    Old Russian literature can be considered as the literature of one theme and one plot. This plot is a world story, and this topic is the meaning of human life ... "

    Good morning to everyone and good mood hi
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      Likhachev for the sake of his academic rank, which he just did not write and did not declare.
      He became a liberal democrat * at the behest of the times *, much of which he was revising from his past works.
      And the literary heritage of RUSI is much older than * thousands of years *, to take at least a bylina about Svyatogor which is already much older, and there were more than a dozen such epics into which much later Christians stuck something that was just as ridiculous.
      By the way, there is only one historical fact that all historians KNOW
      Pelasgians, the very ones who brought culture and writing with them and actually created Hellas, came to the Peloponessian Peninsula from the upper Don River, where today the city of VORONEZH is located.
      It is from the Greeks of Hellas that the entire culture of Europe has developed.
      And we are being drawn into that statement by Gundyaev or the academician
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        Quote: Vasily50
        By the way, there is only one historical fact that all historians KNOW
        Pelasgians, the very ones who brought with them the culture and writing of Hellas, came to the Peloponnesian Peninsula from the upper Don River, where today the city of VORONEZH is located.

        This is where such nonsense? Who is author?
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        Quote: Vasily50
        literary heritage of RUSI

        Literature - from the word "litera", that is, a letter. Show me at least one written monument of Russian literature before what Likhachev spoke about. And oral creativity, you will not believe, existed from the moment human speech appeared. But this has nothing to do with literature.
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      Rus "academician Likhachev said the following:

      And to the depths of his soul he offended Shpakovsky. Because this cannot be, because this cannot be. Let me explain: according to all the "traditionalists", writing in Russia appeared, thanks to Cyril and Methodius, much later than in "Europe and Asia", therefore, the literature of Russia could not appear before the literature of "Europe and Asia." This is a lemma.
      How to refute Likhachev? Yes, it’s very simple - “Likhachev, for the sake of his academic rank, which he did not write or declare.” Or: - "The alternative is often from brain problems, and it is very unfortunate!
      That's all the rebuttals, that's all the evidence.
      Not being a follower of Fin. I have not found a scientific refutation of the claims of Fin. that the Battle of Kulikovo took place in what is now Moscow.
      There were of course denials, but they mainly concerned problems with the brain of PhiNovs.
      What is the article about? That there are a lot of annals. And we did not know that?
      That they cannot be faked. clean up? And why all? One is enough. from which to remove one page and insert another, with Rurik, who is Norman, and that’s it, the story "rolled" along a completely different track.
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        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        One is enough. from which to remove one page and insert another, with Rurik, who is Norman, and that’s it, the story "rolled" along a completely different track.

        What rolled? I just won’t understand ... What does the Norman matter or not. Explain to me not understanding. But first read the annals ...
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        And to the depths of his soul he offended Shpakovsky.

        Why? I totally agree with him!
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    Historical science against pseudoscience.
    it’s already funny, historians can’t give reliable information about the events of 50 years ago, but it’s important that the inflated cheeks broadcast news about events of 500 years ago
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      And only Chudinov and Klesov know exactly how it was 40 years ago among the Slavs, and where everything is hidden yes
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    Quote: V. Shpakovsky
    None of the inserts, erasures, or corrections does not humiliate the national dignity of the Russians and their religion; rather, on the contrary, the Russians and their faith are magnified.

    Another confirmation that in those annals is a lie.


    Just look at modern Ukraine and how people there with "gratitude" perceive Catholicization. Vladimir adopted Christianity, but in Russia there were already Orthodox and Orthodox believers. Do you really think that the new faith, which was imposed by force in Europe (bonfires of the Inquisition), was accepted with joy with us? So what do these annals really glorify?
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      Christians plant a new religion in Europe, using their power yes

      [Center]

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      Do you really think that the new faith, which was imposed by force in Europe (bonfires of the Inquisition),

      Well, you don’t know elementary things? There was no inquisition during the planting of Christianity in Europe. Even the witches were not chased! Emperors of the Franks in special capitulations wrote that people who spread rumors about the power of witches ... doubt the power of God! So from 500 to 1209 in Europe, NOBODY burns anyone!
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        Quote: kalibr
        Even the witches were not chased!

        A couple of quotes from Moses (1393 - 1273 BC):
        - Do not leave healers alive (Exodus 22:18).
        - He who sacrifices to the gods, except for one gentleman, may he be destroyed (Exodus 22:20).

        1st of Constantinople. Gathered in 381 g. Half of the "higher clergy" of the Christian system who arrived at this council was killed (Arians), because they did not want to act according to the devilish plan and recognize Jesus as God.

        Until Christianity penetrated the supreme power and gained strength, it behaved quietly, but then the planting of faith went by force, the aboriginal elite was destroyed and the “governors” were implanted, who still do not give a damn about the local population ...

        ps
        Jesus himself determined his purpose: “I have been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matt. 9, 6. Matt. 15:24. Is. 53, 6. Jer. 50, 6. Ezek. 34, 5-6.). The man made it clear that he was sent to the earth to save the Jews who were trapped by the Egyptian priests along with the Egyptian priest Moses. This was later decided, after the death of Jesus (350 years later), to “save” all of humanity.
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          I tell you about one thing. You tell me something else ...
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            Quote: kalibr
            I tell you about one thing. You tell me something else ...

            Vyacheslav Olegovich, have you ever tried to convince a sincerely believing person that there is no god? I tried. And he felt like the last scoundrel, because he brought all his arguments to his interlocutor, caught him in all traps, he piled up a lot of contradictions, and when I presented all this to him and dumped him in full (it was either a clerk, or some another rite in a small rural church in Transcarpathia in Ukraine), he almost burst into tears, looked at me with mournful eyes and said: "But there is God, how can he not be?" To be honest, at that moment I felt ashamed. And I sincerely regretted that I got into the soul of a good person (and this person was a good one), I shit there and now he lives with it.
            So, Boris is the same believer. He has his own faith, but it is also important for him, as for the cleric with whom I spoke, his faith was important. This belief is irrational, and therefore logic is irrefutable.
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              Probably so, Michael. It is in me that the party agitator says that for 10 years he carried the word of the party to the masses and should always be sure that it has come! Habit, they say, is second nature.
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          Until Christianity penetrated the supreme power and gained strength, it behaved quietly, but then the planting of faith went by force, the aboriginal elite was destroyed and the "governors" were implanted, who still do not give a damn about the local population.

          Christianity was a petty aggressive sect. And one of many.
          And yes, the Romans in every possible way pursued such people (still, these fanatics were not against burning and self-incriminating, and they preached some very strict rules, which the Romans looked at in surprise). Therefore, becoming the main religion they remember exclusively the "martyrs" of Christianity.
          How many "martyrs" of other religions are forgotten.
          In general, Christianity has come a long way from a small, aggressive provincial sect to world religion (by the way, Islam is the same, but it is more balanced because it is younger)
          Christians are just lucky to get into power.
          Yes, so they don’t want to let her go. (They still want to sell opium to the people)
          The elite of the conquered peoples was usually the first to be accepted into Christianity.
          If they are on the same civilizational level.
          If it was different, it didn’t always make sense.
          Example Spain and America (destroyed)
          France and the tribes of Canada. (Converted to Christianity and supported the French)
      2. 3x3zsave 21 March 2020 09: 31 New
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        So from 500 to 1209 in Europe, NOBODY burns anyone!
        I will say more. Even at the end of the 14th century, accusations of witchcraft required very serious reasons.
    3. Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 March 2020 20: 22 New
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      Boris, I will surprise you!
      In the Old Russian state of the times of Vladimir there were also Jews, but there were no Orthodox and Catholics! There were Christians! The final discord between Constantinople and Rome will come under his son Yaroslav! And then this will not stop the latter from giving their daughters to the monarchs of the leading countries of Europe!
  • kiril1246 21 March 2020 08: 51 New
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    secret activities

    until we suffer from their yoke, wherever they spit THEY sit.
    1. kalibr 21 March 2020 08: 59 New
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      Kirill! About ten years ago I did a training manual for students and wrote 20 conspiracy theories into it. 10 years have passed! They became almost twice as many !!!
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        Kirill! About ten years ago I did a training manual for students and wrote 20 conspiracy theories into it. 10 years have passed! They became almost twice as many !!!

        So let's name those who inspire these conspiracies, why everyone is always silent.
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          So let's name those who inspire these conspiracies, why everyone is always silent.

          And they are already known ... they are stupid people, usually called a worldly word, forbidden in VO.
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            these are stupid people

            "unreasonable" as Pushkin wrote about them. Although it is not clear what their foolishness is expressed. They live in a better way than the indigenous ones.
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              They live in a better way than the indigenous ones.

              Well, I would not say ... I know many of these ...
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                Well, I would not say ... I know many of these ...

                Well, the facts and statistics seem to be talking about something else.
                1. kalibr 21 March 2020 11: 25 New
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                  Facts and statistics say that on average 80% of the property is in the hands of 20% of the population, and 20% - in 80%. And just 80% believe in conspiracy theory, Hyperborea, Pelasgians from the Don and other rubbish ... And they live ... respectively.
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                    20% of the population

                    What 20%, their 0.07%, and a huge country grabbed.
            2. Talgarets 21 March 2020 11: 34 New
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              They live better than indigenous

              A curious coincidence. I live in Kazakhstan, and when local nationalists talk about the dominance of Russians, they use this very expression, literally ...
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                A curious coincidence. I live in Kazakhstan, and when local nationalists talk about the dominance of Russians, they use this very expression, literally ...

                Ie nationality to do with anything ??
                1. kalibr 21 March 2020 12: 30 New
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                  Strangers are always to blame for everything. This is called xenophobia - fear of strangers. Kipling has a wonderful poem ALIEN - find and read.
                  1. kiril1246 21 March 2020 12: 35 New
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                    Those. indigenous, who do not like strangers, some undeveloped ones turn out. It's commonplace.
                    1. kalibr 21 March 2020 13: 41 New
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                      And this speaks of narrow-mindedness, or features of culture. But narrow-mindedness is the result of education in a certain cultural environment. So there’s nothing to be offended. This is not fault, but trouble, like iodine deficiency!
                  2. Korsar4 21 March 2020 13: 04 New
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                    I really like this poem. One of the memorable, and a lot of explanatory.
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                    Strangers are always to blame for everything. This is called xenophobia - fear of strangers

                    usual use of instinct.
                    And this is very close.
                    Primates, like the rest, are completely subordinate to instincts and the use of their instincts makes management easier.
  • Olgovich 21 March 2020 09: 54 New
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    Well, now a few conclusions. The total number of annals (more than 5000 volumes) is too large for it to be at least some kind of fake. Moreover, the analysis of their text did not reveal in them the presence of any unified algorithm for their correction, which would have to be present if such work was carried out purposefully.


    Obviously, for a single algorithm of "fakes", a huge powerful secret organization was needed, with many internal documents, the development of an alternative concept of History, prescriptions, orders, etc.

    But there is none of this. But no, because it never happened ....
    1. Boris55 21 March 2020 10: 26 New
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      But there is none of this. But no, because it never happened ....

      Was there a global flood? or wasn’t it when? laughing

      Not all the inhabitants of the planet died then and they were saved not only on the Noah's Ark. The surviving elite of the past civilization, possessing extensive knowledge, leads the World to another collapse. Jewishness is one of the instruments of their governance of the world. Without seeing and not understanding this, it is impossible to fully appreciate the globally historical process and correctly understand the annals ...

      How the “Atlantists” gave some knowledge to one of the feral tribes (Jews) is well shown in S. Polunin’s “Snow Show” to understand what we see - turn off the sound, pay attention to the background:

      1. kalibr 21 March 2020 11: 26 New
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        And why do you think that the elite survived? There have always been more fools. More of them survived ...
        And about the flood is not necessary. You know even less about him, what about the Inquisition in the Middle Ages.
        1. Korsar4 21 March 2020 12: 08 New
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          Could there be a convincing article about the flood?
          1. kalibr 21 March 2020 12: 25 New
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            Sergei, it was like this: when in 1968 I read an article about the Maya rocket in the TM magazine, then ... I believed in the coming of the aliens. And the text of the book "Popuh vuh", where it was written: "Do not make any more wine from agave, but start hollowing the trunk of a large cypress and make a boat and enter it when in a month ... the water rises above heaven!" - knew by heart. And all about the Flood, which confirmed the aliens ... wrote out. Then he gave lectures from OK Komsomol - "The Mysteries of Ancient Civilizations" - Oooo ... aliens, Mayans ... Sumerians ... Ohhh. In a word, if I find that crazy notebook, I’ll see what can now be done on the basis of those extracts. It became interesting to myself. But it is necessary to rummage in the closet, oh ... sofa, ah ... in the country - oooh! So I do not promise soon. But it became interesting !!!
            1. Korsar4 21 March 2020 12: 32 New
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              An interesting could be a summary of various sources.

              But what kind of physicist-geographer will model - how much water was there, and how much did it rise?

              And the quote is wonderful - stop doing pulke - so much free time will appear.
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                This was just modeled. You just have to look where it was ...
                1. Korsar4 21 March 2020 14: 46 New
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                  Somewhere I came across both arguments that the water would not rise high, and counter-arguments.

                  And the model would turn out with a very large error, as far as I imagine.
                  1. kalibr 21 March 2020 15: 08 New
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                    Sergei! Rejoice! Found ... fortunately today is Saturday and the house was cleaning. And under the slogan "throw out a lot of junk", climbed and found ... Now it remains to re-read, think and ... write.
                    1. Korsar4 21 March 2020 15: 48 New
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                      Miscellaneous when cleaning is found. But that the Flood is an event.
                      1. kalibr 21 March 2020 16: 19 New
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                        Laugh, laugh ... you know how happy I was ?!
                      2. Korsar4 21 March 2020 16: 22 New
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                        Just intrigued.

                        Will you build your articles in chronological cycles - a good start to the first volume.
                      3. kalibr 21 March 2020 17: 39 New
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                        Sergei! That's exactly what I try. It is therefore necessary to “break the head” in order to “eat the fish and ride on the bones”. That is, that the article was interesting, and the chapter would have to be redone to a minimum. But ... there is, for example, one publishing house with us that does not accept this form of writing books. Even popular science.
      2. Moon 21 March 2020 21: 42 New
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        Could there be a convincing article about the flood?

        legends about the flood / groin are many peoples on the planet.
        The planet often changes its appearance. It is young and quite active.
        But where does the anthropomorphic god ...
    2. Boris55 21 March 2020 12: 29 New
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      And why do you think that the elite survived?

      At least for this: the Tsunami in Sri Lanka in 2004 and the former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, who spent Christmas holidays in Sri Lanka, was not injured.
      1. kalibr 21 March 2020 13: 37 New
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        And how many clinical idiots survived? Or did the tsunamis take them all away selectively? Was Kohl alone in splendid isolation?
  • kalibr 21 March 2020 12: 28 New
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    Obviously, for a single algorithm of "fakes", a huge powerful secret organization was needed, with many internal documents, the development of an alternative concept of History, prescriptions, orders, etc.

    Exactly! And her goal should be appropriate and the results. And judging by our annals, the result is a "bunch" and not even very loud. Like a child’s unexpected or "mouse died." That is ... all this nonsense!
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    2. Boris55 21 March 2020 12: 46 New
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      And judging by our annals, the result is a "bunch" and not even very loud.

      Better tell me where in the history of Russia 5508 years have gone? Don't you find it strange that you knew how to count in thousands, but there is no written evidence?

      1. kalibr 21 March 2020 13: 36 New
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        And they never were! Just at first they counted from the creation of the world, and then from the birth of Christ, that's all. It’s like in the Mayan book Chilam Balam or Popol Vuh. A certain mythical date was taken and it started ... Excavations on the territory of the East European Plain do not trace the history of Russia.
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        those. you want to say that in Russia (Tartaria, the Slavic empire) from time immemorial it was believed from the Biblical creation of the world, and then Christians came with their Jesus ...? belay
  • Undecim 21 March 2020 15: 49 New
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    Looking at the comments, I suggest, Vyacheslav Olegovich, to expand the cycle, as Petka said, "on a global scale." After all, folkhistory is an international phenomenon that does not recognize borders.
    Our new-timers will be very surprised and upset when they find out that their guru Fomenko is not a monopolist, there will be more than a dozen such “fighters of the new-chronological front” in the world, in this area even conservative Britons have their own new-timer - David Rol.
    And a certain bar who was working here as a folklingist would have been strangled by a sense of his own inferiority, having read the classics Güneş Dil Teorisi - the Turkish theory of the Sun Language, according to which all human languages ​​are descendants of one Proto-Turkic primitive language and would have understood that his research is a miserable babble of ignorance against the background monumental constructions of Turkish "linguists".
    This phenomenon is so successfully spreading around the world that a private liberal arts college in Clermont, California - Claremont McKenna College, is already preparing bachelors in the "Pseudohistory" course.
    So here to write - not to rewrite, there would be a desire.
    1. kalibr 21 March 2020 17: 35 New
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      Here, Viktor Nikolayevich, would cope with the material on our annals. And then here above me also the "flood" now hangs. I remembered youth and how I lectured to students and workers about it. And in this college I will write, ask for their program, a list of references for distance learning. This is really very interesting ...
      1. Undecim 21 March 2020 19: 54 New
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        And then here above me also the "flood" now hangs.
        With the flood, you, perhaps, got excited. Although if you take it seriously, then this is a minimum of fifteen articles, or even more.

        Introductory article once, then "by country and continent," because flood myths are prevalent throughout the world. An article on Africa, two or three articles on North America, Mesoamerica, South America, the Sumerians with Gilgamesh. Abrahamic religions are a separate article, or even two. China and India too. Well, a trifle like Korea with Malaysia, Oceania and other Philippines and native Taiwanese can be combined. Ancient Greeks should be respected in a separate article. Europe will pull a couple of articles. You can still go through the folkhistorics. Well and summing up with the analysis and consideration of scientific hypotheses.
        1. Korsar4 21 March 2020 20: 53 New
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          Curve as in the "Radiant Pilmamn."
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          because flood myths are spread all over the world.

          coincides with the settlement.
          And when you consider that the floods were and will be (the coastline is changeable) .... then there is nothing surprising.
          In history, one should always go not to historians (these are people and they always lie), but to physicists, geographers, paleoclimatologists.
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            Following your logic, physicists, geographers and paleoclimatologists are not people. The adviser of you ... unreliable.
        3. kalibr 21 March 2020 22: 31 New
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          I just had this scheme. And an approximate plan for the spread of the flood from America to the East to China. 15 articles are many, but 2-3 are quite reasonable for HE.
  • Operator 21 March 2020 17: 00 New
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    The author casts a shadow on the fence: all the vaults of the annals are forged by "vaults" at the command of the customers of the vaults - but only in terms of glorifying customers and their ancestors (Russians) and humiliating opponents of customers and their ancestors (of the same nationality).

    Therefore, events that do not have domestic political significance in the original annals and their codes are described objectively.

    Absolutely the same thing is observed in the Scandinavian sagas and their subsequent collections.
  • faterdom 21 March 2020 18: 16 New
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    Many documents, unfortunately, have been lost forever. The same fire of Moscow in 1812, or a more recent fire in the INION library.
    Nevertheless, undoubtedly many more documents will be discovered: the other day somewhere in a St. Petersburg apartment in a suitcase the documents of the creator of the locomotive Gakkel were found.
    It is interesting whether the Vatican library and some not fully open and accessible will be digitized and published.
    Because it’s possible to think about concealment justifiably because of this library: everything that is contrary and harmful to Catholicism has no right to publish coverage!
    1. kalibr 21 March 2020 19: 41 New
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      It is interesting whether the Vatican library and some not fully open and accessible will be digitized and published.

      The documents of the Pope of the era of the fascist dictatorship in Italy have just been opened! I don’t remember anyone, but it is on the Web ...
    2. kalibr 21 March 2020 19: 44 New
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      The main thing is when they open Hitler’s archive, which is stored in Moscow, and all the documents on the Second World War in Podolsk, which were closed until 2045.
      1. Caretaker 22 March 2020 10: 59 New
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        The main thing is when they open Hitler’s archive, which is stored in Moscow, and all the documents on the Second World War in Podolsk, which were closed until 2045.

        It is interesting to see the Finnish archives exported to Sweden.
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          It is interesting to see the Finnish archives exported to Sweden.

          Well, you know, Leonid ... how to do this?
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            So far, I guess. The publication of the Finnish archives of the twentieth century exported to Sweden will greatly spoil the image of both Sweden and Finland. Although, for Finland it is less critical.
            The seventeenth-century “occupational” Swedish archive is open to researchers.
  • Operator 21 March 2020 18: 48 New
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    Flood - was it?

    It was - Black Sea, 7500 years ago in connection with the breakthrough of the Bosporus isthmus and the simultaneous rise of water in the Black Sea by 140 meters.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 March 2020 20: 41 New
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      Andrew "Floods" were many. Alas, the element is not subject to man!
      The question is only in the "localization" of bad weather. Will it be for an ancient person later if, as a result of the cataclysm, his “Oykumena” died? I think it will be, even if his "universe" with a hook fits in an area (200X200 km) of 10 days in each direction !!!
      Regards, Kote!
      1. Operator 22 March 2020 00: 02 New
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        There are many floods, the Great is alone.
    2. Moon 21 March 2020 21: 48 New
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      Was - Black Sea, 7500 years ago

      this is when a higher agricultural culture spread across all regions?
      The bowl of the pool was literally filled before our eyes. For an ancient man, it flooded his whole world.
      But there were many like that. Just the most famous and the consequences are easy to trace.
      1. kalibr 21 March 2020 22: 28 New
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        This will be a detailed material!
      2. Operator 22 March 2020 00: 22 New
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        As for the spread of agricultural skills in connection with the Black Sea Flood, I do not know anything. In any case, catastrophic flooding was mainly affected by the flat northern Black Sea coast, the coastal line of which was inhabited by hamites (haplogroup E), blood relatives of the inhabitants of the Balkans, the western and southern Mediterranean coasts of Asia Minor, the Middle East, and also continental Africa.

        Hamites of the northern Black Sea region almost all died, survived in the Balkans, in Asia Minor and the Middle East, the hamites were supplanted by the northern and southern Semites, who came from the east, respectively, and the African hamites were not affected by the Black Sea flood.

        Chronologically before the flood, it was the Middle East boorish who cultivated wheat and barley, so that their distribution around the world can really be somehow connected with the flood.

        As for the ancestors of the Aryan Slavs and the Slavs themselves, their own cultivated cereal has long been millet due to adverse conditions for growing wheat in their habitat at the end of the last glaciation. In the northeastern Slavs, millet began to be replaced by other cereals only at the beginning of our era.
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      1. Operator 22 March 2020 11: 22 New
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        In the Dardanelles region, the land bridge across the entire width of the strait collapsed - at the bottom of the Sea of ​​Marmara there are grooves plowed with stone blocks that were driven by the water flow from the Mediterranean Sea

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          In the Dardanelles region, the land bridge across the entire width of the strait collapsed - at the bottom of the Sea of ​​Marmara there are grooves plowed with stone blocks that were driven by the water flow from the Mediterranean Sea

          Exactly. And what a gorgeous waterfall flowed there !!!
          1. Operator 22 March 2020 11: 34 New
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            Width per kilometer and a height of 140 meters.
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          In the Dardanelles region, a land bridge across the entire width of the strait collapsed

          Not too much flow. How long will it take the Dnieper to fill such a "reservoir"? Decades!
          I repeat the previous / next (feature placement) comment.
          The modern area of ​​the Black Sea - 422 sq. Km.
          The width of the Bosphorus is 700m., The minimum depth is 18m. and it is today. In the first days / years after the breakthrough, the width and depth were probably smaller. "At once" will not work.
          1. Operator 22 March 2020 13: 57 New
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            Cross-sectional area 0,7 x 0,018 = 0,056 sq. Km. At a water flow rate of 0,1 km / s, 500 cubic kilometers of water flowed into the Black Sea every day.

            For residents of the coastal zone, it looked like an apocalypse.
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              Quote: Operator
              Cross-sectional area 0,7 x 0,018 = 0,056 sq. Km. At a water flow rate of 0,1 km / s every day, 500 cubic kilometers of water flowed into the Black Sea.

              The water flow rate on a horizontal surface of 360 km / h? This happens?

              1. Operator 22 March 2020 16: 52 New
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                The entire oceans pressed on the water stream. The iridescent water not only raised the level of the Black Sea, but also created a surge wave on its surface, which went further than the moving edge of the sea in the flat northern Black Sea region.

                In any case, among the current population of this region there are no carriers of haplogroup E, with the exception of its Balkan subclade, brought by the Greek colonists after 5000 years.

                7500 years ago, the ancestors of the Slavs of the Aryans lived in the mountains (the region of Thrace) and to the north inland, so they were practically not affected by the flood. On the western coast of the Black Sea, the same coastal hamites suffered.

                Information about the flood was preserved by the Asia Minor inhabitants of the south-eastern elevated coast of the Black Sea - the Northern Semites (future Sumerians, Hittites, etc.), the first to set foot on the path of civilizational development and reflect information in oral legends and written documents such as the tales of Gilgamesh and Torah ( the ancestors of the patriarch Abraham were from the headwaters of the Tigris and Euphrates).
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      Quote: Operator
      It was - Black Sea, 7500 years ago in connection with the breakthrough of the Bosporus isthmus and the simultaneous rise of water in the Black Sea by 140 meters.

      The modern area of ​​the Black Sea - 422 sq. Km.
      The width of the Bosphorus is 700m., The minimum depth is 18m. and it is today. In the first days / years after the breakthrough, the width and depth were probably smaller. "At once" will not work.
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    Of course I would like more historical articles about our country
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      There will be at least 2-3 more articles in this cycle.
  • faterdom 21 March 2020 20: 24 New
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    Quote: faterdom
    It is interesting whether the Vatican library and some not fully open and accessible will be digitized and published.

    The documents of the Pope of the era of the fascist dictatorship in Italy have just been opened! I don’t remember anyone, but it is on the Web ...

    A more key point is the creation of a papal post, as such, on the basis of a certain “letter of Constantine,” and the pontification of the title of “Pontiff” (bridge inspector), which belonged only to emperors, or co-emperors, but not confessors. That is, everything is based on big lies and fake documents. And the Vatican will never publish such a thing!
  • Moon 21 March 2020 21: 53 New
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    Historical documents are certainly good.
    They explain a lot.
    The trouble is that they were written by people.
    And people ... in general, they all wrote as emotional creatures.
    Creations of people are much more valuable as temperature measurement data for 40 years (an Englishman wrote one pedantically_)
    The trouble is that there are always the same fanatical people. Believers who burn twice and thrice the Alexandria libraries of Constantinople, Roman, Kiev, etc. in Russia. A well-known Chinese lover to burn all books ...
    directly eternal human passion to destroy the former (as a predator usually does in a pride)
    We can’t even look at the cycle of our civilization .. What was there before it. There are a lot of monuments and remains .. and what was, we don’t know. Ours only picked up (or rather dug up) the torch of civilization.
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    Quote: Operator
    Cross-sectional area 0,7 x 0,018 = 0,056 sq. Km. At a water flow rate of 0,1 km / s, 500 cubic kilometers of water flowed into the Black Sea every day.

    If I am not mistaken:
    Water flow rate v = SQRT (2 * g * h)
    where: SQRT - square root.
    g - gravitational acceleration - 9,8 m / s ^ 2
    h- pond depth - 18 m
    Then v = SQRT (2 * 9,8 * 18) about 18,8 m / s.
    It turns out that 18,8 * 18 * 700 = 236,88 thousand cubic meters of water poured out per second, or about 0,85 cubic kilometers per hour.
    The current area of ​​the Black Sea is approximately 422000 square kilometers.
    Then the rate of water rise per hour is approximately 0,85 cubic kilometers / 422000 = approximately 2 mm / hour.
    Not so fast. True, some tsunami could initially have taken place.
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    "Funny humiliation" - A funny phrase. But what about the calling of the Varangians .. In my opinion, the most savory spit .. Yes, no people in their minds and sober memory sign their inability to organize their lives .. Moreover, to humiliate themselves by inviting some kind of lesson .. .So, as the author does not try, he will convince me that in the Russian chronicles all tip-top is still someone trampled on them ...
    1. Icelord April 11 2020 09: 51 New
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      But what about the Swedes with Bernadotte, or the British with Georg, and the same Peter the Third, called and often
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky 8 May 2020 13: 14 New
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    Finally, serious material about Russian chronicles and Russian chronicles appeared on the muddy expanses of the Internet.
  • Diviz 8 June 2020 17: 14 New
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    You give texts that are based on Cyrillic. Over time, with a change in the alphabet, words lengthened and imaginative thinking declined. You would pay attention to this fact. This is much more interesting.