Ministry of Defense revives special medical units

Ministry of Defense revives special medical units

The Ministry of Defense has decided to revive special-purpose medical units that have been reduced during the military reform. This is reported by "Izvestia" with reference to the Russian military department.


As explained in the Ministry of Defense, from this year, medical special forces (MOSN) will be deployed in each military district. Each detachment will include about 200 military personnel, they will be independent administrative units having everything for independent work. In military field hospitals there will be a surgical department, a therapeutic, laboratory diagnostic, traumatological, intensive care, specialists in the treatment of burns and infectious diseases. In addition, the squad will include psychiatric and neurological doctors who work with the victims and their families.

This summer, large-scale exercises will take place, during which the newly created medical units will work out actions in case of emergencies and epidemics.

The main task of these units is first aid, temporary hospitalization and preparation of the wounded or injured for evacuation to inpatient medical facilities.

The first special-purpose medical units were created in the early 90s, when hostilities began in the so-called "hot spots". However, subsequently, during the military reform, these units were abolished and replaced by temporary medical units formed at hospitals for specific tasks.
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  1. Victor_B 10 March 2020 12: 05 New
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    This is called "Anti-Plague Activities."
    That is, the fight against especially dangerous infections.
    To which the coronovirus does not apply.
    1. Tatyana 10 March 2020 13: 45 New
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      The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is doing the right thing, which is reviving medical special forces!
      For as they say, if you want peace, get ready for a full-scale war!
  2. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 12: 06 New
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    Something Shoigu thought for a long time ...
    Well, at least I thought of restoring it at all.
    1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 12: 10 New
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      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Something Shoigu thought for a long time ...

      To fix their shoals as Minister of Emergency Situations?
      Only it is not clear why at the expense of the army ...
      1. Serg65 10 March 2020 12: 18 New
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        Quote: Spade
        To fix their shoals as Minister of Emergency Situations?
        Only it is not clear why at the expense of the army ...

        The main task of these units is first aid, temporary hospitalization and preparation of the wounded or injured for evacuation to inpatient medical facilities.

        Military field hospital, what side to the Ministry of Emergencies?
        1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 12: 21 New
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          Quote: Serg65
          Military Field Hospital, which side of the Ministry of Emergencies?


          "In the summer of this year, large-scale exercises will take place, during which the newly created medical units will work out actions in case of emergencies and epidemics."

          Indeed, what side of the Ministry of Emergencies for emergency situations ...
          1. Serg65 10 March 2020 12: 26 New
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            Quote: Spade
            "In the summer of this year, large-scale exercises will take place, during which the newly created medical units will work out actions in case of emergencies and epidemics."

            Comrade Lopatov, did the military field hospitals not participate in the emergency situations before?
          2. Vitaly161 10 March 2020 18: 11 New
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            as in serious emergency situations, the army also takes an active part in eliminating the consequences, as well as in search and rescue measures, this is normal
      2. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 12: 18 New
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        Only it is not clear why at the expense of the army ...

        Well, he’s now “steers the army” ...
        As the saying goes: whoever guards what is the one who steals.
        1. Serg65 10 March 2020 12: 28 New
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          Quote: Honest Citizen
          As the saying goes: whoever guards what is the one who steals.

          Honest you are ours, along the way you are one of those who have pain, that one sings about that? Do you steal often?
          1. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 12: 33 New
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            Do you steal often?

            Unless only on my own, I’ll rub things on trifles, then on cigarettes, then on cognac.
            What is your interest?
            Can’t you steal even for ice cream?
            1. Serg65 10 March 2020 12: 39 New
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              Quote: Honest Citizen
              Can’t you steal even for ice cream?

              Since childhood, weaned to take someone else's!
              1. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 12: 41 New
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                Since childhood, weaned to take someone else's!

                Even sweets in childhood did not steal? laughing
                I do not believe! (from)
                1. Serg65 10 March 2020 12: 54 New
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                  once was enough to remember for a lifetime .... three days "thank you, I get on foot"
                2. Xnumx vis 10 March 2020 14: 18 New
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                  Quote: Honest Citizen
                  Since childhood, weaned to take someone else's!

                  Even sweets in childhood did not steal? laughing
                  I do not believe! (from)

                  ... “By what court you sit, you will be so judged; and by what measure you measure, such shall be measured to you. ” (Matt. 7: 2)
                  1. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 14: 23 New
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                    With what measure you measure, such will be measured to you

                    In childhood, I stole candy from a vase, jam. I climbed to neighboring areas and stole apples, pears, apricot, plums.
                    And do not hesitate to talk about it.
                    But here, as I look, everyone is crystal clear. Neither candy in childhood, nor cigarettes from my father's pack are a little older. Incredible, but I, the sinner, surrounded by angels ...
                    1. Xnumx vis 10 March 2020 14: 54 New
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                      Quote: Honest Citizen
                      But here, as I look, everyone is crystal clear. Neither candy in childhood, nor cigarettes from my father's pack are a little older. Incredible, but I, the sinner, surrounded by angels ...

                      I repent of sinning ... I dragged strawberries from a neighbor's dacha ... This is despite the fact that my strawberries were heaped .... Under another's fence, my wife is more interesting. Tyril tin soldiers at a friend ... True, then gave him three hundred of his ... He considered that he had grown. No soldiers needed .. Okay ... don't be offended .. drinks
      3. Paranoid50 10 March 2020 12: 32 New
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        Quote: Spade
        to fix their shoals as Minister of Emergency Situations?

        belay
        The Ministry of Defense has decided to revive special-purpose medical units that have been reduced during the military reform.
      4. knn54 10 March 2020 12: 32 New
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        Until someone pecked somewhere ...
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      6. antivirus 10 March 2020 13: 44 New
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        here I am - it sounds strange if you remember what was declared during the creation of the Ministry for Emergencies and its development UNDER HANDS
      7. Piramidon 10 March 2020 17: 48 New
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        Quote: Spade
        To fix their shoals as Minister of Emergency Situations?
        Only it is not clear why at the expense of the army ...

        Gotcha? Relief.
        What does the Ministry of Emergency Situations have to do with it? What does "at the expense of the army"? Does the army have its own independent budget?
    2. Insurgent 10 March 2020 12: 19 New
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      Quote: Honest Citizen
      Something Shoigu thought for a long time ...
      Well, at least I thought of restoring it at all.

      In a belligerent DPR (I don’t know about the LPR), there are no military hospitals at all, and military medicine, in the company link, is represented by a paramedic + freelancers, trained as such, whose effectiveness in the event of a significant activation of the database is very arbitrary.
      1. businessv 10 March 2020 13: 30 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        In the warring DNI (I do not know about the LC), there are no military hospitals at all

        In such a territory they simply are not necessary! One hospital named after Kalinin (DOKTMO) in Donetsk can cover all the needs of the front, and there is also a clinic at the medical institute (UNLK), not to mention smaller honey. institutions! And in vain you are so about the Donetsk military paramedics, they saved more than one hundred lives by fighting side by side!
        1. Insurgent 10 March 2020 13: 45 New
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          In order but from the end.
          Quote: businessv
          in vain you are so about the Donetsk military feldshers, they saved more than one hundred lives by fighting side by side

          This is my post on Military Review by March 8th.

          Company assistant paramedic NM DNR, Valeria. On such women, Russia rests.


          Quote: businessv
          One hospital named after Kalinin (DOKTMO) in Donetsk can cover all the needs of the front, and there is also a clinic at the medical institute (UNLK), not to mention smaller honey. institutions!

          You did not encounter a situation where we were six, taken from hospital to hospital, shaking their heads, and spreading their hands, and only at the Gusak Center they took on us ...

          If the front goes to the front (no matter what I still believe in it) and the distance to Donetsk grow, but there are no field hospitals?

          But did you know about the collapse of civil medicine in Donetsk, 22.01.15/200/XNUMX, when only one Spartak killed up to XNUMX of us, and wounded many times more?

          Spartacus. September 2019. Right from the stella, 2,5 km, and dill ... Military unit "Zenith" and the shaft of the Butovka mine.
          1. businessv 10 March 2020 14: 04 New
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            Quote: Insurgent
            But did you know about the collapse of civil medicine in Donetsk, 22.01.15/200/XNUMX, when only one Spartak killed up to XNUMX of us, and wounded many times more?

            I know, colleague, my classmates were there too, but this is more an exception than a pattern. After all, we are talking about permanent duty stations, so neither the DPR nor the LPR can afford it yet. I think that something like a quick deployment field hospital with a staff of civilian doctors would save the situation, just to exclude the cases that you described. First aid is in place, which is the most important thing, and the rest is already hospitals.
            1. Insurgent 10 March 2020 14: 07 New
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              Quote: businessv
              it is more an exception than a pattern

              The whole war is a complete exception. Something always goes wrong.
              And it is one thing when they are somehow preparing for this, and another when there is nothing.
              First aid is in place, which is the most important thing, and the rest is already hospitals.

              And timely evacuation. With this, in the DPR, too ...

              When we were "covered", the civilian ambulance refused to leave for us. They were taken out haphazardly, to VAZ 2104 and 2111 ...
    3. Doctor 10 March 2020 12: 54 New
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      Something Shoigu thought for a long time ...
      Well, at least I thought of restoring it at all.

      Syria suggested. Military positions of specialists were cut, civilians are not going to send much to the war. Heads of hospitals and their deputies ride there on business trips, gaining privileges and ragals like "Honored Doctor". But there’s zero point in them, hell of a tenth, for the organizers are useless, and they have never been doctors.
      1. Olezhek 11 March 2020 10: 18 New
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        Syria suggested. Military positions of specialists were cut, civilians are not going to send much to the war.


        Here I am about the same.
        A military doctor is required to obey orders.
        A civilian on a proposal to move into a war zone may send you away.
        He is not obliged to ride under bullets and shells.
  3. rotmistr60 10 March 2020 12: 10 New
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    during the military reform, these units were abolished and replaced by temporary medical units,
    Everything under the former came down to limiting the possibility of even medical services, not to mention army units. This is due to the fact that some people on the site anticipated the actions of the former Minister of Defense "Taburetkin" and tried to introduce him as a reformer.
    1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 12: 16 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Everything under the former was to limit the possibility of even medical services

      Under the USSR, somehow they did without these “special forces”
      1. rotmistr60 10 March 2020 12: 24 New
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        Under the USSR, somehow they did without these “special forces”
        Are you sure about that? Or simply didn’t know? Then, just such an urgent need did not arise, because they could handle the available means. And units have already been created taking into account the international situation.
        1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 12: 35 New
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          Quote: rotmistr60
          Then just such an urgent need did not arise, because they coped with the available funds.

          laughing
          I’m reading that when eliminating the consequences of the emergency, only Kuban put up 950 doctors ...
          Managed ... Because they had a system. And they did not try to make elite crutches.
      2. New Year day 10 March 2020 12: 24 New
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        Quote: Spade
        Under the USSR, somehow these “special forces” were dispensed with.

        Under the Union, there were stages of medical care, from a regimental point to a district or navy hospital and above, so to speak, from primary to specialized care. After the reforms, everything that was between these stages went under the knife. Apparently trying to fill this gap.
        A friend works in Centrospas, so they were once thrown to Syria to provide medical care, and to all - both civilian and military. It turns out that SMEs were absent in the state, since civilian doctors performed the function of the military.
        1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 12: 30 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          Under the Union, there were stages of medical care, from a regimental point to a district or navy hospital and above, so to speak, from primary to specialized care.

          But this is not important.
          When the USSR was a system of the most active involvement of civilian health workers. Even the pediatricians were reserve officers. Therefore, the SYSTEM quickly scaled depending on the need.

          And instead of tackling this, the MO is once again fooling around ...
          1. New Year day 10 March 2020 12: 31 New
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            Quote: Spade
            When the USSR was a SYSTEM

            That's right! hi
            But to break, not to build.
          2. vladimirvn 10 March 2020 12: 43 New
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            They are now almost all of the average medical staff and reserve medical personnel.
          3. Fat
            Fat 10 March 2020 12: 57 New
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            Quote: Spade
            Quote: Silvestr
            Under the Union, there were stages of medical care, from a regimental point to a district or navy hospital and above, so to speak, from primary to specialized care.

            But this is not important.
            When the USSR was a system of the most active involvement of civilian health workers. Even the pediatricians were reserve officers. Therefore, the SYSTEM quickly scaled depending on the need.

            And instead of tackling this, the MO is once again fooling around ...

            Two companies of doctors in the district? This is not very much. It is done precisely so that military-duty doctors have a base for deployment
          4. Dog
            Dog 10 March 2020 13: 37 New
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            Quote: Spade
            reserve officers

            The destruction of military departments is a blow in general to Russia's mobresource.
            The necessary (in which case) jackets were not only for doctors: chemists, aircraft engineers, lawyers, etc. etc.
            Without a mobresource, an army is a consumable for a first strike.
        2. Serg65 10 March 2020 12: 31 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          Under the Union, there were stages of medical care, from a regimental point to a district or navy hospital and above, so to speak, from primary to specialized care.

          Has this chain also existed in Afghanistan? Or did a military field hospital exist at the division level?
          1. Doctor 10 March 2020 13: 12 New
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            Has this chain also existed in Afghanistan? Or did a military field hospital exist at the division level?

            Initial levels have been reduced. We dominated there, so there was no mass revenue, as in the Second World War.
            The medical service to the regiment was distributed among the units, in case of losses, the transport and sanitary armored groups were delivered to the evacuation points by helicopter, from there immediately to hospitals and lungs to the medical battalions of the divisions.
            The central hospital is Kabul, the rest are Bagram, Puli-Khumri, Shindad, Kandahar, Jalalabad.
          2. sso-xnumx 10 March 2020 17: 13 New
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            Quote: Serg65
            Or did a military field hospital exist at the division level?

            The staff of the divisions (MSD, TD, etc.) has an OMEDB - Separate Medical Battalion. When the divisions were cut to brigades Formed medical companies - brigades and regiment. Without any appropriate material equipment.
        3. Ross xnumx 10 March 2020 13: 25 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          After the reforms, everything that was between these stages went under the knife. Apparently trying to fill this gap.

          But the army of “special purpose” press secretaries didn’t go under the knife ... I’m directly amazed by this minister from infantry "Emcheesovschiny." After all, military medical institutions arose not from scratch. and they solved significant problems: providing military personnel with high-quality medical care (if possible). There were places where there were no civilian medical institutions.
          Okay Serdyukov - Phnom Penh. But today's does not seem like a temporary worker. Is it really so hard to understand the structure of military medical support. They gave examples of sending military doctors to Chernobyl. Correctly. These were not just doctors, but also people in uniform. I also found those who, when sent to Afghanistan, simply "tore off their epaulettes."
          It was military sanatoriums that allowed the military to restore health, and their children were given rest from the beautiful aurora.
          Most likely, someone was "crushed by a toad" about paying the titles of military medicine. The same deputies of the State Duma obligated themselves to pay 320 official salaries, adjusted to the final 000 Russian rubles (for harmfulness, dangerous working conditions, access to state secrets and other bonus and lump-sum payments for maintenance).
          1. sso-xnumx 10 March 2020 17: 17 New
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            Quote: ROSS 42
            Is it really so hard to understand the structure of military medical support

            Soooo hard !!! You ask who Shoigu put Nach. GVMU and his biography. Never served in the army ...... (perplexity). But on the citizen was seen next to a dream specious deeds. Here is the answer.
        4. Olezhek 11 March 2020 10: 19 New
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          A friend works in Centrospas, so they were once thrown to Syria to provide medical care, and to all - both civilian and military.


          Just a sign!
      3. Serg65 10 March 2020 12: 29 New
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        Quote: Spade
        Under the USSR, somehow they did without these “special forces”

        what Do you recall Chernobyl?
        1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 12: 37 New
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          Quote: Serg65
          Do you recall Chernobyl?

          The best example.
          Remind me ...
          1. Serg65 10 March 2020 12: 52 New
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            The scale and nature of the Chernobyl disaster required titanic efforts to eliminate its consequences, both with the involvement of the country's forces and means, and international organizations. Almost in the very first hours after the accident, units of the medical service of the Armed Forces took part in emergency rescue operations together with the units of other departments. More than 20 medical units and units (medical units, medical aid units, individual medical battalions, sanitary and epidemiological units, and reinforcement groups) were deployed in the accident response area. The total number of military medical services involved in the accident zone was about one and a half thousand people.

            Reminded me?
            1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 12: 57 New
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              Quote: Serg65
              Reminded me?

              And where are the Special Elite Special Squads here?
              For some reason they did without them?
              1. Serg65 10 March 2020 13: 21 New
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                laughing Shovels, I understand your rejection !!! If these detachments were called military medical detachments, then there wouldn’t be our conversation! A medical squad SPECIAL destination for you like a red rag to bullfight !!! bully
      4. Fat
        Fat 10 March 2020 12: 47 New
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        Quote: Spade
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Everything under the former was to limit the possibility of even medical services

        Under the USSR, somehow they did without these “special forces”

        "Medsanbat" and what does not speak about? Should have been 1 per division.
        It was in the USSR that there were medical battalions ...
        1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 12: 56 New
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          Quote: Thick
          "Medsanbat" and what does not speak about?

          Of course he does.
          Only he has nothing to do with MOSN.
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          Quote: Thick
          It was in the USSR that there were medical battalions ...

          Medsanbats in the SA existed until 1980. From 1980 to the present Separate Medical Battalion of the division.
      5. Doctor 10 March 2020 12: 57 New
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        Under the USSR, somehow they did without these “special forces”

        They existed at central and district hospitals, and were staffed by medical practitioners who worked in the hospital, and, if necessary, organized and advanced. If they are made into separate units, without practical work, these will be paramedical units.
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    2. Serg65 10 March 2020 12: 21 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Everything under the former boiled down to limiting the possibility of even medical services, not to mention army units

      Time has changed, the war has smelled strongly!
      Quote: rotmistr60
      some on the website anticipated the actions of the former defense minister, Taburetkin, and tried to portray him as a reformer.

      I now believe that Serdyukov was specially set up to clear the army of unnecessary tails and a huge mass of generals and colonels!
      1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 12: 25 New
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        Quote: Serg65
        Time has changed, the war has smelled strongly!

        And?
        Honestly, a hundred medical personnel recruited from the reserve will be orders of magnitude more effective than a hundred military personnel of this "medical special forces". With proper organization.

        Tell me who is the best to operate on the wounded. a constantly practicing surgeon from the central hospital or a "medical commando" who does not crawl out of all sorts of exercises?
        1. New Year day 10 March 2020 12: 35 New
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          Quote: Spade
          who is better at handling the wounded. constantly practicing surgeon from the central hospital or "medical commandos"

          I had a friend, they killed him, so he told: when they were thrown from Balashikha to Chechnya, it turned out that the majors and colonels forgot how to operate. Since he got into the division from a civilian hospital, he was snapped up
          1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 12: 43 New
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            Quote: Silvestr
            majors and colonels forgot how to operate.

            Organizers are also needed. Having a concept of what it is about.
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            Since he got into the division from a civilian hospital, he was snapped up

            I know opposing stories. When civilians sought to get to a military surgeon (or any other specialist). For example, in our unit there was a dentist (from God). On old equipment, miracles worked. She always wanted a lot of civilians to receive.
          3. Dog
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            Quote: Silvestr
            majors and colonels forgot how to operate

            Practice is a necessary thing.
            I recalled the case. Somehow organizing work in isolation from civilization, they invited a military doctor from the Northern Fleet (only two to replace each other) on a business trip, so that there would be a doctor at the camp, just in case. Once at that camp, a hard worker turned one brush, called a spinner, and for now the essence and the matter, the surgeon sewed something there, said in the hospital they would finish it normally, but he had only outlined something beforehand, because of the field conditions. So the guy later told me that in the city, in the hospital, he was told that all the norms were already sewn and they wouldn’t do better, and therefore they won’t even try. Listening to this, the military doctor swore and said that if he knew that this would be so, he would immediately do it normally in the field.
            In hospitals, military surgeons practice the same way, and there even civilians go to them for various operations. I do not think that they are all without experience.
            1. New Year day 10 March 2020 17: 52 New
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              Quote: Dog
              In hospitals

              That's it!
        2. Serg65 10 March 2020 12: 35 New
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          Quote: Spade
          who is better at handling the wounded. a constantly practicing surgeon from the central hospital or a "medical commando" who does not crawl out of all sorts of exercises?

          Lopatov, and who is the "medical commandos"? Conscript soldier? A nurse with a bag or a nurse with a stretcher?
          In the military field hospitals there will be a surgical department, a therapeutic, laboratory diagnostic, traumatological, intensive care, specialists in the treatment of burns and infectious diseases. In addition, the squad will include psychiatric and neurological doctors who work with the victims and their families.
          1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 12: 49 New
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            Quote: Serg65
            Lopatov, and who is the "medical commandos"?

            That's a great question.
            This is a paramedic. rubbish and losing qualification.

            Now let's figure it out.
            God forbid you break your hand. Going to get help. Choose who you go to see a doctor from the emergency room (five broken hands a day), a doctor from a military hospital (one or two broken hands in half a year) or a doctor of "medical special forces" (one or two hands once every half a year, but a couple of years ago, before being transferred to the MosSU)
            Who will you choose?
            1. Serg65 10 March 2020 13: 14 New
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              Quote: Spade
              Who will you choose?

              Great question!
              The hostilities began, they drafted civilian doctors into the army ... guys go ahead, the Motherland is waiting for you! We need to deploy a field hospital, and here we are, we are doctors, not auxiliary workers! It’s necessary to evacuate the wounded from the battlefield, hmm ... and you don’t have an ambulance or something? How to evacuate them? ... and then Comrade Lopatov was inadvertently secured (God forbid of course), with sin, they dragged our Lopatov to the rear and even brought him to the hospital .. our comrade is lying, whipping blood, but it’s not so interesting for someone to operate on him will be ... and you have a doctor how many operations? 150! Ltd! Do you know the firearm? Nah, I'm special on hernias! Her, you do not suit me! And here you are, doctor, how many operations do you have? And then the blood flows away!
            2. Dog
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              Quote: Spade
              to the doctor of "medical spetsnaz" (one or two hands once every half a year, but a couple of years ago, before being transferred to the Ministry of Social Protection)

              In military hospitals, now even civilians are in crowds (and for a fee, as I understand it). Practice there is no less than in the Central Bank, etc. What prevents MOSN from providing a similar practice?
              1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 16: 14 New
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                Quote: Dog
                What prevents MOSN from providing a similar practice?

                What prevents to do more adequate things than the creation of MOSN?
                The same "provide practice" to doctors.

                Immediately in black and white, "MOSN is good," temporary formations "are bad.
                Although it turns out that everything is exactly the opposite.
                1. Dog
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                  Quote: Spade
                  What prevents to do more adequate things than the creation of MOSN?

                  I think financing is deciding.
                  Yes, and Julia Sergeyevna Shoigu is more familiar with disaster medicine, but there is a similar system.
        3. bessmertniy 10 March 2020 12: 40 New
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          When help is needed in order to save medical deaths from death in a matter of minutes, and then the already saved one, you can transfer the matter to medical professionals of a higher level. Again, if you send professors under the bullets, then you can slide down to the level of Konoval medicine. what
          1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 12: 52 New
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            Quote: bessmertniy
            When help is needed to save from death in minutes

            --- There is nothing better than an ambulance doctor. For which it is a daily practice.

            Quote: bessmertniy
            send to bullets

            What are the "bullets" ????
            Read the article carefully.
            1. Serg65 10 March 2020 13: 27 New
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              Quote: Spade
              What are the "bullets" ????
              Read the article carefully.

              laughing Those. the whole point of the article is ..
              This summer, large-scale exercises will take place, during which the newly created medical units will work out the actions in emergencies and epidemics.

              and the words that ..
              The main task of these units is first aid, temporary hospitalization and preparation of the wounded or injured for evacuation to inpatient medical facilities.

              So Shoigu is lying as usual wassat good The words of the emergency and the Ministry of Emergencies deprive you, Shovels, of reason !!! recourse
              1. Lopatov 10 March 2020 16: 25 New
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                Quote: Serg65
                The main task of these units is first aid, temporary hospitalization and preparation of the wounded or injured for evacuation to inpatient medical facilities.

                That is an analogue of the Soviet sorting hospitals. Which in the Second World War was deployed much, much more than four.
                1. sso-xnumx 10 March 2020 18: 06 New
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                  The main task of the MOSN: 1. Providing qualified medical care with elements of specialized medical care. 2. Serve as the core for the deployment of the rear hospital base of the aria (front). "Manual on the organization of work of the ISOS." VMA SPb. 1997
          2. Doctor 10 March 2020 13: 02 New
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            When help is needed in order to save medical deaths from death in a matter of minutes, and then the already saved one, you can transfer the matter to medical professionals of a higher level. Again, if you send professors under the bullets, then you can slide down to the level of Konoval medicine.

            Yes something like that. The Chechen professors were sitting in Mozdok, not far and not close. Replacement team from the Military Medical Academy.
        4. sso-xnumx 10 March 2020 17: 48 New
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          Quote: Spade
          Tell me who is the best to operate on the wounded. a constantly practicing surgeon from the central hospital or a "medical commando" who does not crawl out of all sorts of exercises?

          I am writing on my fingers: the surgeon of the CRH is practicing on diseases of the internal organs of general pathology (hernias, appendicitis, varicose veins, etc..) However, he has no idea about the rules and methods of treating combat gunshot and mine explosive injury, burn disease. I am not talking about combined injuries in the use of nuclear weapons, BOV and BS. During the training period at the Navy at the media, we were taught a course of military-industrial training, taking into account all the features of a military injury. Who had the chance to become a surgeon, he received additional training in the clinical residency of VMedA. Draw conclusions. Or go to treat a battle injury in the Central District Hospital.
          1. New Year day 10 March 2020 17: 58 New
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            he has no idea about the rules and methods for treating gunshot and mine explosive injuries

            You are in vain. Firstly, the institute had a course of field surgery, and secondly, in the 90s I personally had a chance to operate all kinds of firearms. Now with crime it’s better - there are less patients with firearms, although with combined and combined trauma it’s completely
        5. Fat
          Fat 10 March 2020 19: 08 New
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          Quote: Spade
          Tell me who is the best to operate on the wounded. a constantly practicing surgeon from the central hospital or a "medical commando" who does not crawl out of all sorts of exercises?

          The best surgical procedure for a critical wounded surgeon from the BMA.
          Once again ... A couple of companies in the medical district ... Less than a minimum.
          In Kostroma ... We specially took the children to specialists from the Western group of forces. The experience is more and the qualifications are excellent and get along well with the equipment ...
          And side shoulder straps ... They did what they could from duty and from the heart ... Many friends remained from 92-94. The Koreans commissioned Germany to build towns .... And they started from the Sanchastopol .... From the hospital, from the clinic to a quarter of the division per day. There was a couple of years the topic of thought hunchbacked to tears. Finally! The departure of the GBV from Germany is an impromptu muse of one drunken party, which has gone awry from the autonomy of the new leader ....
      2. Doctor 10 March 2020 12: 49 New
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        I now believe that Serdyukov was specially set up to clear the army of unnecessary tails and a huge mass of generals and colonels!

        Cleared. In the central hospitals of species and clans he reduced military posts 10 times and made them branches by removing commanders from custody. As a result, in medicine, they turned into garrison sharagi, from which it is impossible to even assemble a reinforcement group for war games.
        Hence these frictions with MOSNami. But this has also passed. These will be manufacturers of paper plans living in the field and really not able to provide qualified assistance.
        1. Serg65 10 March 2020 13: 29 New
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          These will be producers of paper plans living in the field and really not able to provide qualified assistance.

          Your suggestion?
          1. Doctor 10 March 2020 13: 43 New
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            Your suggestion?

            Return MOSNy to the composition of the central and district hospitals, as it was. Their future staff in uniform enter the staff of the hospital. The head of the surgery department is the colonel, the senior resident is the lieutenant colonel, he is also the head of the surgical department of the MosSA. In peacetime, he operates, like a regular doctor, by a whistle - puts on a uniform, turns into the head of the Moscow Institute of Internal Affairs and forth.
            In addition to the nachmed, the head of the hospital has a free deputy. He’s the head of the Mosn.
            So let him deal with organization, logistics, paperwork in peacetime.
            1. Serg65 10 March 2020 14: 04 New
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              Return MOSNy to the composition of the central and district hospitals, as it was.

              Well, maybe so.
              Quote: Arzt
              In peacetime, he operates, like a regular doctor, using a whistle to put on a uniform,

              Will there be field outlets in peacetime? Well, so that when the "whistle" is not the discovery of the unknown!
              1. Doctor 10 March 2020 14: 12 New
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                Will there be field outlets in peacetime?

                But what about? Four times a year. Seasons fully deployed. Do not forget about the average staff, these are contract soldiers working in a hospital in peacetime.
                The whole problem is not really in the organizational form, but in the banal reduction of the military staff under Serdyukov. Of the 120-140 military, 12-15 were left in the central hospitals of the armed forces and types of troops. Head, chief and several department heads. Whom to send to Syria? A nurse grandmother and a pregnant nurse?
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                Fat 10 March 2020 19: 37 New
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                Quote: Serg65
                Will there be field outlets in peacetime? Well, so that when the "whistle" is not the discovery of the unknown!

                Yes they will. And in the GSVG and the ZGV it was ...
            2. sso-xnumx 10 March 2020 17: 51 New
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              Quote: Arzt
              The head of the surgery department is the colonel, the senior resident is the lieutenant colonel, he is also the head of the surgical department of the MosSA.

              It will not work to have a colonel. MOSN has 150 to 200 beds in the state. MOSN commander - full-time category lieutenant colonel m / s.
      3. maidan.izrailovich 10 March 2020 13: 28 New
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        Time has changed, the war has smelled strongly!

        Maybe. But not only.
        The spreading coronavirus could also influence this decision.
        The fact is that during the time of the USSR, many of these special medical units in the Moscow Region had precisely anti-epidemic specialization.
        1. Serg65 10 March 2020 13: 31 New
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          Quote: maidan.izrailovich
          The spreading coronavirus could also influence this decision.

          I completely agree!
        2. Doctor 10 March 2020 14: 36 New
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          many of these special medical units in the Moscow Region had precisely anti-epidemic specialization.

          Not certainly in that way. MOSNY these are all the same more fighting units.
          There is a separate sanitary and epidemiological service in the Ministry of Health in the form of the Central Sanitary Inspection - centers of sanitary and epidemiological surveillance. Previously, these were solid units with their own laboratories, disinfectants and military staff for up to 10-15 people. It was they who were supposed to organize the fight against infections, including when using BO.
          Now this is a miserable shadow of the past. Serdyukov cut all the military in this service and they fled to control the meat sellers.
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          Fat 10 March 2020 19: 45 New
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          Quote: maidan.izrailovich
          Time has changed, the war has smelled strongly!

          Maybe. But not only.
          The spreading coronavirus could also influence this decision.
          The fact is that during the time of the USSR, many of these special medical units in the Moscow Region had precisely anti-epidemic specialization.

          Fine. There is a reason and there is a deep reason.
          RKhBZ .... Biosecurity including ....
          Kissing .... Overpower?))))
  4. Living7111972 10 March 2020 12: 45 New
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    Here I am a doctor with 24 years of experience, a war veteran, an honest reserve captain, and now I have grown up to a major; I can’t say almost anything about this initiative of the Ministry of Defense, except that - there will be no more Soviet times and I, as a civilian doctor, will put and ignore all the wishes of the Russian Ministry of Defense to attract civilian specialists to valiant ranks, we have a reservation for everyone who can do something. ..
    And I look here full of experts. Well, right, in healthcare, as in education, everyone understands ...
    1. vladimirvn 10 March 2020 12: 48 New
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      Dear Comrade Major, in general, you must be in reserve before the age of 65. And where will you go if something happens.
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        2. vladimirvn 10 March 2020 12: 51 New
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          ... in fact, you are up to 65 years old. Not a disability pension?
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            Fat 10 March 2020 20: 18 New
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            Quote: vladimirvn
            ... in fact, you are up to 65 years old. Not a disability pension?

            Well just. Do not lie. Sestelbulb!
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          Aag 10 March 2020 13: 38 New
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          And in stock ...
    2. Lopatov 10 March 2020 12: 55 New
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      and I, as a civilian doctor, will put and ignore all the wishes of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to attract civilian experts to valiant ranks

      So instead of MOSN, you need to do what you want.
      For example. having done as in the US National Guard. That is, paying you a den. contentment from MO.
      1. New Year day 10 March 2020 13: 09 New
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        so you want to.

        You know, there are a lot of former military doctors next to me, there are even the former main surgery of the army and military branches, there are captains and majors. There are fresh graduates of BMA. When talking, No one wants to go back.
        1. Doctor 10 March 2020 13: 27 New
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          There are fresh graduates of BMA. When talking, No one wants to go back.

          Yes sir. Here it turns out to be very good for you ... laughing
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          Fat 10 March 2020 20: 56 New
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          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Spade
          so you want to.

          You know, there are a lot of former military doctors next to me, there are even the former main surgery of the army and military branches, there are captains and majors. There are fresh graduates of BMA. When talking, No one wants to go back.

          Where to "back"!
          Than Arts from Oberarts. It’s different ..... There are a lot of legends about red crosses,
          I know from my father a run over to the hospital, like a shot in his own head. You will find, do not wait for mercy.
          One to one changed. Selfishly. Not Stalinist. Well, even though my father was in a lull, they were taken to our shore ...
  5. Guru 10 March 2020 13: 37 New
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    Opa! Gentlemen, clarify the situation! Don't we have Disaster Medicine? Or am I confusing something.
    1. Doctor 10 March 2020 14: 22 New
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      Opa! Gentlemen, clarify the situation! Don't we have Disaster Medicine? Or am I confusing something.

      A stillborn structure, a sump for failed doctors (including the military), without medicine as such, living on a paid evacuation.
  6. Ferdinant 10 March 2020 14: 08 New
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    And in Ukraine, civilian medicine and medical service of the Armed Forces of Ukraine very effectively coped and cope with their tasks, without any medical special forces.
  7. Tuft 10 March 2020 14: 17 New
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    Very timely.
  8. Clueless 10 March 2020 14: 53 New
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    Quote: Victor_B
    This is called "Anti-Plague Activities."
    That is, the fight against especially dangerous infections.
    To which the coronovirus does not apply.

    But most of them don’t understand this, they have put down the minuses for you. For them, that the plague, that the coronovirus is one and the same.
  9. sso-xnumx 10 March 2020 17: 58 New
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    Maybe something to fix in the HLMU?