Named the number of Turkish drones shot down by the Buk air defense system of Syria

Information appeared on the Internet about the results of countering Syrian air defense against Turkish attacks. drones during the aggravation of the situation in Idlib. It states that in most cases attacks drones were reflected.

Such data was published on Twitter by the Syrian military observer Syrian MC, related to government forces.

Syrian MC claims that Syria’s air defense owes its success to its Buk-M2E anti-aircraft missile systems. With these air defense systems, during the acute phase of the Idlib conflict, 25 missile launches were carried out, while 20 Turkish unmanned aerial vehicles were hit. Three missiles fired did not hit the targets, two more self-destructed. More than half of the downed drones fell in an area controlled by militants.

Meanwhile, the Turkish military claims to have lost 12 drones. A civil servant of this country, whose name is not called, told Bloomberg that in Idlib, Ankara first used a new tactic, called the “swarm of drones”. In Syria, the Turkish army uses Bayraktar TB2 tactical drones and TAI Anka multipurpose unmanned aerial vehicles. Earlier, Turkish resources have repeatedly published videos from drones about the destruction of a particular military equipment. Several videos had signs of editing, including a video with gluing fragments about the attack on the Shell Shell.

Comments

[Scipio]

Beech, this is not a patriot for you, it must be deployed in advance in the direction of attack and it does not need to know the coordinates of the target)

[210ox]

Well, yes, skip school.

[Scipio]

Unlike my son, I graduated from school) turn off the computer, otherwise mother will scold you that you are talking with adult uncles!

[Sky strike fighter]

The photos and videos of 6 Anka-S and 7 Bayraktarov in Idlib are precisely confirmed.

Statistics on the confrontation of Syrian air defense systems and Turkish drones, widely used during the hostilities in Idlib province, have been published.
According to Syrian MC, a military observer close to the Syrian army, the Buk-M2E anti-aircraft systems fired 25 missiles and hit 20 drones. Three missiles missed their targets, two self-destructed. More than half of the downed drones fell in militant-controlled territory.

Two types of devices are used in Idlib: operational-tactical Bayraktar TB2 and multi-purpose TAI Anka. Turkish authorities have confirmed the loss of 12 drones.

https://rg.ru/2020/03/09/sirijskie-buki-sbili-20-tureckih-bespilotnikov.html

[protoss]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

The photos and videos of 6 Anka-S and 7 Bayraktarov in Idlib are precisely confirmed.

what I saw was 2 photos of anka, the rest are bayraktars.

[Omskgasmyas]

Given that most of the downed drones fell into the territory controlled by the Basmachi, 13 confirmed - an excellent result.

[Aaron Zawi]

Well, something like this.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Scipio

Beech, this is not a patriot for you, it must be deployed in advance in the direction of attack and it does not need to know the coordinates of the target)

Both Buk and Patriot have inclined launchers and they need to be deployed in the direction of the target before launch, for which the launcher is placed on a rotating platform. Not to be confused with the S-300 type air defense systems, which have a vertical launch.

[Wedmak]

That's just the Patriot needs to be deployed in advance to the desired sector. Deployed - that's it, he will not re-target himself on another. The beech turns to the side of the target already to accompany the discovered target and to accompany the rocket, and this happens in a few seconds.

[Sinner]

And who turns the PU to the goal?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sinner

And who turns the PU to the goal?

Electric motor

[Sinner]

Does the electric motor know which side the target is?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sinner

Does the electric motor know which side the target is?

The guidance system tells him.

[Sinner]

And what kind of system is this?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sinner

And what kind of system is this?

The one that is installed on it. Why are you tedious and sticky (you’re already pulling on a troll, apparently, you are one of them. For the day of your presence on the site, I already dumped two bags of litter). What else can you provide a diagram, description, TTD?

[Sinner]

I’m not a troll, I’m just wondering who and how turned the Buk towards MH17, if it was written above that the Buk was “turning towards the target already in order to track the detected target and track the missile”?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sinner

I'm just curious

If it is SO interesting, then on the network you can find descriptions and the principle of operation and all the advantages and disadvantages. Or do you prefer lying on the bed waiting for "coffee in bed;"

[Sinner]

I was looking for something that I did not find interesting. In particular, I wonder how the radar is located in the launcher. Maybe you can tell me where to look or give a link to this info. I also wonder where it is written that PU Buka can independently find targets.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sinner

I was looking for something that I did not find interesting. In particular, I wonder how the radar is located in the launcher. Maybe you can tell me where to look or give a link to this info. I also wonder where it is written that PU Buka can independently find targets.

Well, at least here. For a simple layman it is enough, without drawings and electronic circuits.
https://militaryarms.ru/boepripasy/rakety/buk-m1/#h2_3

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Scipio

Beech, this is not a patriot for you, it must be deployed in advance in the direction of attack and it does not need to know the coordinates of the target)

What a beech,

that Patriot

have inclined launchers that need to be deployed towards the target before firing

[Scipio]

Stupid attempt to justify a patriot. in this regard, beech and patriot, the same as a tank with a turret and a towed artillery gun. Whose barrel can be directed faster to the side. While the patriot gathers, turns and turns around in a new way, the drones will calmly fly up, do their job, the operetors will go smoke, come back and send the drones in the opposite direction

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Scipio

Stupid attempt

it’s your stupid attempt to justify your ignorance. Both Buk and Patriot must be turned towards the target before firing, and this is a fact with which to argue is the height of stupidity and the denial of the obvious. Only systems with a mortar launch and separate radar arrangement from the PU, such as S-300/350/400, do not need to be flashed

The speed of the transfer of launchers, permissible sectors of fire - this is the second question that you did not stutter about. And besides ignorance, you compare the systems of object and military air defense

[Stalllker]

The beech does not need to be deployed; it has a movable bed on which rockets are. Do you feel the difference ????

[Grigory_45]

Patriot also has mobile PU. Do you even read the comments, or will you also argue with the obvious?

[Stalllker]

She does not spin 360 °))) like a beech

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Stalllker

She does not spin 360 °

Circular does not spin. But there was no question of that) Read the comments.
All boron cheese is due to whether Patriot and Buk have mobile PU, or not. The correct answer is mobile, both there and there. But some are so unpleasant to admit their mistakes that they are ready to climb into the jungle and come up with another hundred thousand conditions, in their defense

[Stalllker]

What blunders! ??? They told you through the hole, the BEECH is standing still, 360 ° shelling, the patriot has NO. What are you giving us cancer for a stone

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Scipio

While the patriot gathers, turns and turns around on a new

Patriot's fighting vehicle is not a horse in a vacuum. It acts as part of the battery, where the launchers are properly oriented to obtain the required (up to the circular) sector of fire. Therefore your

Quote: Scipio

While the patriot gathers, turns and turns around in a new way, the drones will calmly fly up, do their job, the operettors will go smoke, come back and send the drones in the opposite direction

no more than babbling Dunno)

[Scipio]

Have you decided to turn on the impenetrable? How long does it take to turn a beech and a patriot? Example, an attack on a refinery, how much in the first case the drones were not shot down, and in the second case with a pomp they announced downed drones? Where did the all-round visibility go in the first cases and where did it come from in the second? Just the same in comparison with the beech in terms of reversal, the patriot is not a horse, but an elephant in a vacuum! In your opinion, a difference of a few seconds and several minutes in an air attack is a value that can be neglected? At the expense of child sculpting, it was irony, you know our know-it-all)

[Private-K]

If I remember correctly, then Patriot PU turns only in a narrow sectorand PU Buka - 360 degrees. Those. PU Patriot need in advance to orient in the given sectors, and the Beech, as it has become, turns to itself as a "tower". This is the point. And this is a very large and well-founded claim to the Patriot, characterized as principled lack of air defense systems.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Private-K

If I remember it right

you'd better read Mr. Scipio’s comment, which you answered and written in black in Russian:

Quote: Scipio

Beech, this is not a patriot for you, it must be deployed in advance towards attack ... no need)

You will also say that PU Buka does not turn towards the target ???

Secondly, regarding the placement of Patriot fighting vehicles, it is already written on top. This is a complex of air defense systems, it is not necessary for him to actively turn his head (he has a head - a radar — that is, it stands alone and monitors the space), unlike the military air defense complex

Horses mixed up in a bunch, people ... (s)

[Fikys]

Quote: Gregory_45

you'd better read Mr. Scipio’s comment, which you answered and written in black in Russian:
Quote: Scipio
Beech, this is not a patriot to you, his in advance deploy towards attack ... no need)

You basically do not want to notice the highlighted word ?!

[Labeanov]

A wonderful manner for communication - even knowing for sure that he has blunted himself firmly in his own way))))). Conversation about nothing. The beech twirls the tower, and the patriot needs to deploy the whole. What is faster? This was discussed, and not about the fact that the beech, too, should be directed towards attack. Of course it is necessary not to shoot around the Earth ???

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Labeanov

What is faster? About it there was a speech

no, not about that. To understand how it started, you need to read the comments, and not selectively. It all started with a comment:

Quote: Scipio

Beech, this is not a patriot for you, to deploy it in advance to the side ... he does not need goals

so who

Quote: Labeanov

blunted

big question))

PS I am well aware of the device and Buk, and Patriot. So there is no need to tell common truths about what and how anyone turns. But to follow what is written - it would be worth it.

[Alex20042004]

And, here are "Pantsir-2" hit by Turkey:

https://topcor.ru/13507-makety-pancirja-v-sirii-po-chemu-v-dejstvitelnosti-bila-tureckaja-aviacija.html

[_Ugene_]

the tarantaya has 2 bridges on the photo above, and now look carefully at the footprints in the video - in the bend you can clearly see that the 4 bridges of this car are just like the shell, another question is exactly where this video was shot, maybe it’s not from there at all

[Stalllker]

It is seen in the footsteps that the left target was blown up

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Scipio

Beech, this is not a patriot for you, it must be deployed in advance in the direction of attack and it does not need to know the coordinates of the target)

You probably mixed up with Thor.

[bessmertniy]

It's good that we started to deal with drones. The discrepancies in the downed ones may be due to the fact on whose "balance sheet" the drone was listed - for the Turks or the militants.

[loki565]

could still Iranian drones land, there is no equipment of their own alien

[cniza]

More than half of the downed drones fell in an area controlled by militants.

Why not openly say that Turkey controls this territory ...

[rocket757]

Hi
To whom you put pepper on the tail, they noted right away!
Is it just "lubov" like that or don't want to read the truth? By the way, surprisingly, this is practically official information, no one is even trying to hide it?

[cniza]

This is where it all continues, we need to write and say everywhere that Turkey has occupied the territory of Syria and is not going to give it away.

[rocket757]

So it’s completely true ....
To write always and everywhere, and to put all squeals and objections thoroughly and definitively.
To propitiate "collectors, partners and companions" is a thankless task, it has always been so.

[cniza]

We are too kind, they are not so kind to us.

[Sky strike fighter]

Minus one more Bayraktar.

Turkish Bayraktar drone crashes near Syrian border

According to the official version of the Turkish media, the drone fell "due to technical problems on board." At the moment, there is a detailed study of the wreckage in order to establish the causes of the crash of the apparatus.

http://warsonline.info/inostrannye-armii/novosti/turtciia/turk-syr-bayraktar090320-91.html

[rotmistr60]

During the acute phase of the Idlib conflict, 25 missile launches were carried out, while 20 turkish unmanned aerial vehicles.

The above I wrote to the post about the fact that the Syrian air defense "do not see" and "cannot shoot down." When there is a team, they both see and shoot down.

[vvvjak]

Three missiles fired did not hit the targets, two more self-destructed. More than half of the downed drones fell in an area controlled by militants.

We read on the "Look": "He also notes that the missiles missed the target three times, and two more drones self-destructed. "
As the saying goes - feel the difference.

[Talgarets]

Sooner or later, something must end. Or rockets, or drones ...

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Talgarets

Sooner or later, something must end. Or rockets, or drones ...

Or war.

[AlexG83]

Quote: Talgarets

Sooner or later, something must end. Or rockets, or drones ...

And what is the problem of delivering missiles for the Buk-s? Warehouses with expiring storage do not have missiles?

[3danimal]

Ammunition transport vehicles may be affected.
And the drone operator has an important moral advantage over the calculation of air defense systems - the lack of risk of death.

[axiles100682]

The truth, as usual, somewhere in the middle 15-16 drones were shot down. 28-30 missiles were used up. And this will be a reliable infa provided that both sides just cheat with numbers, and if one of the parties writes off to BUK and what is shot down by the others (VKS , Air defense Shell) then generally unrecognizable true.

[NEOZ]

if they shot down 20 drones in 3-4 days .... Turkey had about 110 drones ...
those. if the war had dragged on, then in weeks 2, the air defense system of the SAR would have reset all Turkish drones ....

[LifeIsGood]

This is still garbage look wider! These indicators are downright cold, I would even say an ice shower for drone adepts! Such losses from the Syrian army air defense (we roughly represent the "special strength and training" of the military air defense of the SAR) is just tin! And if you add finances here ... one such toy costs about 10 mil. greenery ... Yes, add other losses in technology. That the Turks spent so robustly for 4 days of war!

[voyaka uh]

"still cold, I would even say an ice shower for drone adepts!" ///
---
On the contrary, the phenomenal success of shock drones in the destruction of armored vehicles.
Only at first it is necessary to clean up the army air defense with the help of barrage of ammunition and kamikaze drones.

[sivuch]

And this is a big question - who will clean whom. Air defense has a complete advantage here (meaning normal air defense of the SV level of SA or RF)

[voyaka uh]

No already. In the GOS of modern ammunition planning or flying like the Kyrgyz Republic, an electronic warfare unit is built in.
And it makes the radars of a ground-based complex or the radar in the head of a rocket lose its target.
But there is no video channel in the GOS of Russian missiles.

[sivuch]

I apologize, I read it incorrectly - I realized that it was shock drones that would clean up the air defense. If someone else does it, then the armored vehicles can be crushed by anything. And here, by the way, a larger and heavier caliber is desirable.
And the EW unit in a rocket / bomb, by definition, has limited weight and size. So here is the usual electronic warfare - who is who. At a ground-based radar, the power and size of the antenna are incomparably larger, and the GOS in the zurka may not be at all.

[voyaka uh]

"And here, by the way, a larger and heavier caliber is desirable." ///
----
That's the advantage of drones, that a large caliber is not needed. Defeats are achieved by jewelry accuracy of hitting from above. Turks labeled in the engine compartment, on board.
Instead of the usual 150 mm ATGM necessary to defeat the frontal armor, several special, very light missiles with a caliber of less than 100 m are taken on drones. Their funnel is enough to penetrate weak upper or side armor.

[sivuch]

This already looks like removal of the tonsils through the anus.

[Albert1988]

Quote: voyaka uh

On the contrary, the phenomenal success of shock drones in the destruction of armored vehicles.

Then I ask you for accurate data on the ratio of destroyed armored vehicles / downed drones ... which you will never imagine, because such accurate and confirmed data is simply not in the public domain and no one will show them to you.

[_Ugene_]

On the contrary, the phenomenal success of shock drones in the destruction of armored vehicles.

it depends on how you count, if you calculate the market value of the lost blah (30 and $ 11,5 million apiece) and all the rubbish that they destroyed, such as the T-55, then the comparison will turn out to be very not in Turkey’s favor

[16329]

Of course, in the first days, the SAA did not have military air defense in combat formations, this was the reason for the success of shock drones in the first days, then the corresponding forces and means were deployed, and the effectiveness of strikes and adjustments by drones significantly decreased
And the wrecked Syrian armored vehicles, probably everyone saw this junk of the 70s of the last century, it is presented on TVD in large quantities and + - pieces of 20 iron boxes will not play a role

[3danimal]

Drone costs are nothing. How many air defense missile calculations have died? And the drone operators ??
The latter have a significant moral advantage - they can easily donate a car.

[ultra]

Quote: 3danimal

Drone costs are nothing. How many air defense missile calculations have died? What about drone operators?

Downed drones are dozens of saved lives.

[3danimal]

And burnt SAMs - how many unsaved drones and unsaved lives? )
In addition, SAM calculations are also very expensive - in terms of financial costs and training time.
I repeat, they risk their lives by repelling the attack (you cannot reboot), the drone operator is more likely to play a computer game without risking anything (there are no errors due to fear of death), gaining experience at the same time.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: NEOZ

if they shot down 20 drones in 3-4 days .... Turkey had about 110 drones ...
those. if the war had dragged on, then in weeks 2, the air defense system of the SAR would have reset all Turkish drones ....

And drones, in turn, would reset all sar armored vehicles

[NEOZ]

Quote: Vol4ara

And drones, in turn, would reset all sar armored vehicles

in 3-4 days, SAA lost 20% of armored vehicles?
at bayraktara carrying capacity of 50 kg in total !!! there are only about 100 of them !!!!!!!!
ps
VKS of the Russian Federation 1/2 year zeroed BBM barmaley, this is 30-50 airborne combat aircraft + KR ....
Yes, one (ONE) SU24M takes 1,5 times more bombs than ALL TOGETHER TAKE BYRAKTARS !!!!!!

[3danimal]

Not so effective (weapons of a different plan), afraid to fall under fire, which imposes restrictions.
What is the drone "afraid" ??

[NEOZ]

Quote: 3danimal

afraid to fall under fire, which imposes restrictions.

specify, what restrictions does the fear of being knocked down to fulfill the task impose?
ps
and also specify what restrictions the infantrymen had / have during the war (2nd World War, for example).

[3danimal]

It’s easy: the principle “it’s hard to get into the person shooting at you” does not work with respect to the robot.
Do you think that, being under fire, the infantrymen calmly aimed themselves at the opponent? They shot more blindly, to suppress, so that he would also “shoot down the sight”.
The pilot, the man pointing the bomb at the target with a laser, will begin to maneuver vigorously and disrupt the guidance when he finds a rocket launched by itself.
The UAV operator in such a situation remains calm and restrained, because it does not turn on self-preservation.
(As we recall, bailout over enemy territory is also equal to death).

[sivuch]

Zero mostly light armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles and then, mainly in the first two days of widespread use

[private person]

then in weeks 2, air defense of the SAR would have reset all Turkish drones ....

Rockets for the "Buk" also cost money and their supply is not unlimited at the air defense of the SAR. One battery of self-propelled guns "Buk" 12 missiles fired at the request of 25 missiles.

[loki565]

The problem is that there is no military air defense, these drones could easily shoot down the same tunguska, shell or torus

[dzvero]

The problem is rather that the Syrians did not deploy army air defense in a timely manner. There was no need against the barmalei, and the direct intervention of the Turks, apparently, was not expected. So the first one and a half days, the Anki with the bayraktars frolic ... The miscalculation, of course, is obvious, but it is more political than purely military.

[loki565]

I agree, with the support of the drones of the broads, they were able to stop the offensive and even discard Assad's army. All the same, air defense should be standard equipment at the forefront and in columns on the march. Otherwise, it could have been much worse, such as in Iraq.

[sivuch]

The CAA has no or almost no tungusus, the Shell is generally not SV air defense, and the Torah, if any, is only Iranian - there were rumors that the Iranians brought several BMs. Of course, to protect their facilities

[Uncle Izya]

Something the tori help them a little against Israeli missiles

[ultra]

The SA has no Thors in service.

[Uncle Izya]

I mean about Iran

[Artemy Morozov]

Like they are Ukrainian? Then I agree. They are also silent of those who are not yet mayor.

[rocket757]

Named the number of Turkish drones shot down by the Buk air defense system of Syria

Is it equipped with Kami rockets? How far can it "work"? The main thing was to stay away from the Turkish howitzers ... however, you can not admit the aircraft spotters!
In general, normal "work" as it should.

[vladcub]

Before the outbreak of war in Syria, there were 100 army with excellent weapons at that time. Now there are no more than 000, so the Barmalei have successful translations. Assad lacks reliable and trained soldiers.
There was probably a shortage of trained officers in the air defense. Apparently, the shortage is now partially replenished. If really destroyed 20, not less. 100% trust the message is not worth it, but you can not trust the Turks.
Somewhere I met such an aphorism: "Nowhere do they lie like in war and in love."

[Vol4ara]

Quote: vladcub

Before the outbreak of war in Syria, there were 100 army with excellent weapons at that time. Now there are no more than 000, so the Barmalei have successful translations. Assad lacks reliable and trained soldiers.
There was probably a shortage of trained officers in the air defense. Apparently, the shortage is now partially replenished. If really destroyed 20, not less. 100% trust the message is not worth it, but you can not trust the Turks.
Somewhere I met such an aphorism: "Nowhere do they lie like in war and in love."

They never lie so much as during the war, after the hunt and before the election. Bismarck

[Astra wild]

Will need to remember

[Astra wild]

"there was a shortage of trained officers" that's why the Israelis were outraged there?

[aszzz888]

These air defense systems during the acute phase of the Idlib conflict produced 25 missile launches, while 20 Turkish unmanned aerial vehicles were hit.

Nibbled the Turks not sickly. This practice of war is necessary for us as well.

[Zaurbek]

The main thing is that in the truce, drones still fly, and drones, in addition to the strikes themselves, also correct artillery fire

[CommanderDIVA]

It is an expensive pleasure to use the Buk on these UAVs, there is one missile, I think, for a million rubles, the Syrian experience has shown the effectiveness of the price-result ratio, the use of the Shell, in the latest modification

[protoss]

Quote: CommanderDIVA

I think one rocket costs a million rubles

at the current rate - these are mere pennies

[Nick Russ]

“It is an expensive pleasure to use the Buk on these UAVs, there is one missile, I think, for a million rubles, the Syrian experience has shown the effectiveness of the price-result ratio, the use of the Shell, in the latest modification,

From data on the Internet. A Turkish strike drone costs about 10 million dollars, while a BUK costs about 250 thousand dollars.

[mvg]

for a million rubles worth

And the shell is worth a billion, plus a trained crew. And the tank is $ 3-4 million. There is also the factor of a trained and armed soldier (equipment on it for a half a lemon. And the morale of the troops when they shoot you with impunity.)
PS: Another military miscalculation of our military advisers.

[16329]

The T62 tank is offered for 300-400 thousand Euros, in working condition, and the tank of the Syrian army, which participated in the hostilities, I don’t think it’s worth anything

[mvg]

T62 Offered for 300-400 thousand Euros

And the tank T-90A Vladimir? What are we losing? The Turks are positioning that the cost of the Shell is $ 50 million, and the Buk 35 million, Tor, 75 million. Of course they lie, but for Russian domestic prices, the shell is 800 million rubles, and the T-90A, $ 2,50 million

[sivuch]

Bayraktars are quite expensive. But Buki at least are far from Turkish Firtin

[Strashila]

"In Idlib, Ankara first used a new tactic, conventionally called a swarm of drones." The tactic is not new, it was tried out during the attack on the Russian air base.

[Zaurbek]

The main damage was not due to this. Drones flights were allowed on the Sochi talks. And they flew there daily for reconnaissance. If its results were reported to the militants, by virtue of the situation, this generally did not affect the actions of the SAA ....
The actions of the SAA did not imply danger from the air, and here peacefully flying drones began to induce modern Fertin's howitzers (this is the level of the MSTAS) and began to attack from the air themselves, to this the jamming was added.

[sanik2020]

The good old Soviet iron, although modernized, but the result is almost 100%.
And here’s a new promoted, democratic iron like Shell, the result is 20%.
The excuses of the Shell manufacturers were the most ridiculed; the Saudis were to blame.

[Spartanec]

Dear, do not confuse the Shell with the Patriot))

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: sanik2020

The good old Soviet iron, although modernized, but the result is almost 100%.
And here’s a new promoted, democratic iron like Shell, the result is 20%.
The excuses of the Shell manufacturers were the most ridiculed; the Saudis were to blame.

In 2011, the Syrians purchased the Buk-M2E. The difficult fate of this air defense system.

In 1988, the complex was adopted by the Air Defense Forces. Due to the collapse of the USSR and the difficult economic situation in Russia, serial production of the complex was not deployed. After 15 years, the documentation for the complex was finalized under the modern elemental base of mass production. Since 2008, the complex entered the Russian troops.
In the 1990s, a variant of the Buk-M2E - Ural complex was developed and passed joint tests, designed for the air defense forces.

December 22, 2009 at the presentation of the national award "Golden Idea" (based on the results of 2008) The third prize in the nomination "For success in the production of military products" was awarded to the team of authors of OJSC UMP together with OJSC NIIP im. VV Tikhomirov "for mastering the serial production of the BUK-M3E anti-aircraft missile system.

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%83%D0%BA-%D0%9C2

[sanik2020]

I’m talking about the Shells, because lately they only talk about their inaccurate and broken ones and Patriot specializes mainly in friendly fire.

[Spartanec]

Well then, I didn’t understand where the Saudis were here)) As far as I remember when the drones attack the Saudi deposits, the patriots just got into a mess) Or am I confusing?

[Alexey from Perm]

The data from the Syrians cannot be unambiguously correct, well, at least they could provide fragments of 10 drones in confirmation of their words.

[aiden]

Yes, in social networks every day new videos and photos of debris pop up. About 15 it was for sure. I'm too lazy of course to collect all the photos in a bunch. But I’ll say that I took one picture from a telegram and pulled out the date and coordinates from it. It turned out as it was signed, fell in Turkish territory.

[shubin]

Of course, I am not a military expert, but to shoot from Buk through drones is like a cannon from sparrows. Or am I wrong?

[NEOZ]

Quote: shubin

bullet from beech on drones, it’s like a gun on sparrows

a beech rocket is much cheaper than a drone!
ps
the drone flies at an altitude of 6-7k m, respectively, can get the current beech and more advanced air defense
PPP
armor, MANPADS, wasps, shilka and other drone will not get ....

[Sky strike fighter]

armor, MANPADS, wasps, shilka and other drone will not get ....

The shell has declared performance characteristics of up to 20 km in range and up to 15 km in height. UAVs will be completely accessible.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

The armor declared performance characteristics up to 20 km in range

this is subject to the UAV flying almost over the shell. which is unlikely.
on this they knock down beeches ...

[Astra wild]

I’m curious like all women, and now I’ve looked at Vika: in the range of 1,2 km - 20 km, in height from 15 m to 15 km. You can read it yourself

[NEOZ]

Quote: Astra wild

I'm curious like all women

But what, in fact, do not suit you?

[Sky strike fighter]

Iran, when it shot down an American Triton UAV, used the Khordad-15 medium-range air defense system, Israel used to shoot down drones using the Patriot medium-range air defense system. Anka-S worth about $ 30 million and Bayraktar worth around $ 11,5 million are not cheap fake drones that are a pity to spend missiles on. The cost of the first UAV approaches the cost of a fighter, and the second UAV to the cost of a helicopter.

[Oquzyurd]

This is if you sell to other countries. For the Turks themselves, at least 2 times cheaper.

[Alexey from Perm]

he is also worth a lot if at stake is human. life is then worth

[sanik2020]

The Saudis, despite the fact that the manufacturers of the Carapace said that, at their request, the Carapace extended the range and there the missile at the start is poorly maneuverable, because there are so many misses.

[Spartanec]

For the first time I hear this from you) I'm not an expert but a layman, and as far as I know, the Saudis have no shell. This is an excerpt from the article for you specifically)))
Quote:
And finally, Saudi Arabia realized that with the American means of defense against missile attacks, the kingdom will not have a quiet life. And in October, during a visit to Moscow by the Saudi King Salman bin Abdel Al Saud, negotiations were held on the purchase of Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. However, due to pressure from the United States, the kingdom was forced to abandon the S-400.

But now, it seems, it’s completely aggravated. Hushits strike blow after blow with impunity, and American air defense systems are not able to prevent this.

[Spartanec]

they are just about to buy them. But to assemble or not is another question)

[Grigory_45]

Quote: sanik2020

The Saudis, despite the fact that the shell manufacturers said that at their request the shell extended the range of

The carapace was never shipped to Saudi Arabia.

Quote: sanik2020

the launch rocket is weakly maneuverable, because there are supposedly so many misses.

any missile of any air defense system at max. low maneuverability

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: sanik2020

The Saudis, despite the fact that the manufacturers of the Carapace said that, at their request, the Carapace extended the range and there the missile at the start is poorly maneuverable, because there are so many misses.

You probably meant the UAE, who purchased the Shell-C1 and delivered it, including to the Libyan army of Haftar, and not Saudi Arabia.

[Alexey from Perm]

because some very not smart people did 2 step without a marching engine))))

[edeligor]

Quote: Strashila

"In Idlib, Ankara first used a new tactic, tentatively called a swarm of drones."

As far as I know (I could be wrong), this tactic is true for mini-drones, which, with the help of special software, are sharpened to break through highly echeloned air defense. The whole essence of which lies in the ineffective struggle of modern means with minimal sizes of goals. Question - what does Turkey have to do with this tactic?

[Sky strike fighter]

The Turks understood this tactic in their own way. And expensive drones used in large quantities. To show the product face and promote it to the markets. It’s not for nothing that Erdogan’s son-in-law manages the production of Turkish drones.

[Astra wild]

Quote: Spartanec

Dear, do not confuse the Shell with the Patriot))

Probably for him the main thing is that it starts with the letter P, and the Patriot or the Shell does not play a role

[Retvizan 8]

Work, Brothers!

[Romanenko]

Well, on the air, they clashed one with the other, the Syrians talk about 20 downed drones, and Signor Tomato about 8 destroyed Armor, it would be nice, of course, that the drones are downed and the Armor is intact, but apparently, the truth is somewhere between them, yes, it looks like nobody will never know ....

[Alexey from Perm]

nowhere do they lie like in war and fishing))

[Alex Justice]

What is more expensive BEECH or UAV?

[Old26]

Quote: Scipio

How long does a turn of a beech and a patriot take?

And how many?
And one, and the other complex. 360 degree swivel launchers. And you all trump with the facts of 30 years ago, when the towed launchers of the "Patriot" were not really turning

[bk316]

And one and the other complex. 360 degree rotary launchers.

Ayayay Vladimir.
Well, where is the 360-degree platform here?

[Sasha_5]

Classic
- Doctor, my neighbor says he can have sex with his wife 10 times a night
- Yes, what problems, and you say so

[pudelartemon]

Is it not a little expensive from Bukov on drones?

[kutuz]

"The civil servant of this country, whose name is not called" is the usual phrase. But even if this is true 12 drones against 8 Syrian Air Force helicopters, 155 tanks, 102 howitzers, MLRS, 95 armored vehicles, 8 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3 drones and two rocket launchers - you must admit they were worth it, even if the number of Syrian losses is exaggerated by half.
"More than half of the shot down drones fell in an area controlled by militants." there is no evidence, only the words from "State employee, whose name is not called."

[Old26]

Quote: bk316

And one and the other complex. 360 degree rotary launchers.

Ayayay Vladimir.
Well, where is the 360-degree platform here?

Well, you, the namesake, took the towed launcher of the RAS-3 complex as an example. Why don't you consider this launcher?