Named the number of Turkish drones shot down by the Buk air defense system of Syria


Information has appeared on the Internet about the results of the Syrian air defense counteracting attacks by Turkish drones during the aggravation of the situation in Idlib. It states that in most cases, drone attacks were repelled.


Such data was published on Twitter by the Syrian military observer Syrian MC, related to government forces.

Syrian MC claims that Syria’s air defense owes its success to its Buk-M2E anti-aircraft missile systems. With these air defense systems, during the acute phase of the Idlib conflict, 25 missile launches were carried out, while 20 Turkish unmanned aerial vehicles were hit. Three missiles fired did not hit the targets, two more self-destructed. More than half of the downed drones fell in an area controlled by militants.

Meanwhile, the Turkish military claims to have lost 12 drones. A civil servant of this country, whose name is not called, told Bloomberg that in Idlib, Ankara first used a new tactic, called the “swarm of drones”. In Syria, the Turkish army uses Bayraktar TB2 tactical drones and TAI Anka multipurpose unmanned aerial vehicles. Earlier, Turkish resources have repeatedly published videos from drones about the destruction of a particular military equipment. Several videos had signs of editing, including a video with gluing fragments about the attack on the Shell Shell.
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  1. Scipio 10 March 2020 10: 45 New
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    Beech, this is not a patriot for you, it must be deployed in advance in the direction of attack and it does not need to know the coordinates of the target)
    1. 210ox 10 March 2020 10: 52 New
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      Well, yes, skip school.
      1. Scipio 10 March 2020 11: 20 New
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        Unlike my son, I graduated from school) turn off the computer, otherwise mother will scold you that you are talking with adult uncles!
    2. Sky strike fighter 10 March 2020 10: 55 New
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      The photos and videos of 6 Anka-S and 7 Bayraktarov in Idlib are precisely confirmed.
      Statistics on the confrontation of Syrian air defense systems and Turkish drones, widely used during the hostilities in Idlib province, have been published.
      According to the Syrian MC military observer close to the Syrian army, Buk-M2E anti-aircraft systems launched 25 missile launches and hit 20 drones. Three missiles passed the targets, two self-destructed. More than half of the downed drones fell in territory controlled by militants.


      Two types of devices are used in Idlib: operational-tactical Bayraktar TB2 and multi-purpose TAI Anka. Turkish authorities have confirmed the loss of 12 drones.

      https://rg.ru/2020/03/09/sirijskie-buki-sbili-20-tureckih-bespilotnikov.html
      1. protoss 10 March 2020 11: 41 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The photos and videos of 6 Anka-S and 7 Bayraktarov in Idlib are precisely confirmed.

        what I saw was 2 photos of anka, the rest are bayraktars.
      2. Omskgasmyas 10 March 2020 19: 19 New
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        Given that most of the downed drones fell into the territory controlled by the Basmachi, 13 confirmed - an excellent result.
    3. Aaron Zawi 10 March 2020 12: 05 New
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      Well, something like this.
    4. Piramidon 10 March 2020 12: 26 New
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      Quote: Scipio
      Beech, this is not a patriot for you, it must be deployed in advance in the direction of attack and it does not need to know the coordinates of the target)

      Both the Buk and the Patriot have inclined launchers and they need to be deployed in the direction of the target before launch, for which the launcher is placed on a rotating platform. Do not confuse with S-300 type air defense systems, in which the launch is vertical. hi
      1. Wedmak 10 March 2020 13: 16 New
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        That's just the Patriot needs to be deployed in advance to the desired sector. Deployed - that's it, he will not re-target himself on another. The beech turns to the side of the target already to accompany the discovered target and to accompany the rocket, and this happens in a few seconds.
      2. Sinner 11 March 2020 08: 56 New
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        And who turns the PU to the goal?
        1. Piramidon 11 March 2020 13: 43 New
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          Quote: Sinner
          And who turns the PU to the goal?

          Electric motor
          1. Sinner 12 March 2020 10: 02 New
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            Does the electric motor know which side the target is?
            1. Piramidon 12 March 2020 10: 10 New
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              Quote: Sinner
              Does the electric motor know which side the target is?

              The guidance system tells him. laughing
              1. Sinner 12 March 2020 15: 05 New
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                And what kind of system is this?
                1. Piramidon 12 March 2020 16: 57 New
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                  Quote: Sinner
                  And what kind of system is this?

                  The one that is installed on it. Why are you tedious and sticky (you’re already pulling on a troll, apparently, you are one of them. For the day of your presence on the site, I already dumped two bags of litter). What else can you provide a diagram, description, TTD? negative
                  1. Sinner 12 March 2020 17: 23 New
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                    I’m not a Troll, I’m just wondering who and how turned the Buk towards MH17, if it was written above that the Buk is “turning towards the target already to accompany the discovered target and to accompany the rocket”?
                    1. Piramidon 12 March 2020 17: 28 New
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                      Quote: Sinner
                      I'm just curious

                      If SO is interesting, then in the network you can find descriptions and the principle of action and all the advantages and disadvantages. Or do you prefer lying on the bed waiting for coffee in bed;
                      1. Sinner 12 March 2020 23: 55 New
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                        I was looking for something that I did not find interesting. In particular, I wonder how the radar is located in the launcher. Maybe you can tell me where to look or give a link to this info. I also wonder where it is written that PU Buka can independently find targets.
                      2. Piramidon 13 March 2020 10: 10 New
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                        Quote: Sinner
                        I was looking for something that I did not find interesting. In particular, I wonder how the radar is located in the launcher. Maybe you can tell me where to look or give a link to this info. I also wonder where it is written that PU Buka can independently find targets.

                        Well, at least here. For a simple layman it is enough, without drawings and electronic circuits.
                        https://militaryarms.ru/boepripasy/rakety/buk-m1/#h2_3
  2. Grigory_45 10 March 2020 13: 14 New
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    Quote: Scipio
    Beech, this is not a patriot for you, it must be deployed in advance in the direction of attack and it does not need to know the coordinates of the target)

    What a beech,


    that Patriot

    have inclined launchers that need to be deployed towards the target before firing
    1. Scipio 10 March 2020 13: 46 New
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      Stupid attempt to justify a patriot. in this regard, beech and patriot, the same as a tank with a turret and a towed artillery gun. Whose barrel can be directed faster to the side. While the patriot gathers, turns and turns around in a new way, the drones will calmly fly up, do their job, the operetors will go smoke, come back and send the drones in the opposite direction
      1. Grigory_45 10 March 2020 14: 51 New
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        Stupid attempt

        it’s your stupid attempt to justify your ignorance. Both Buk and Patriot must be turned towards the target before firing, and this is a fact with which to argue is the height of stupidity and the denial of the obvious. Only systems with a mortar launch and separate radar arrangement from the PU, such as S-300/350/400, do not need to be flashed

        The speed of the transfer of launchers, permissible sectors of fire - this is the second question that you did not stutter about. And besides ignorance, you compare the systems of object and military air defense
        1. Stalllker 11 March 2020 07: 49 New
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          The beech does not need to be deployed; it has a movable bed on which rockets are. Do you feel the difference ????
          1. Grigory_45 11 March 2020 08: 08 New
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            Patriot also has mobile PU. Do you even read the comments, or will you also argue with the obvious?
            1. Stalllker 11 March 2020 11: 16 New
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              She does not spin 360 °))) like a beech
              1. Grigory_45 11 March 2020 12: 48 New
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                Quote: Stalllker
                She does not spin 360 °

                Circular does not spin. But there was no question of that) Read the comments.
                All boron cheese is due to whether Patriot and Buk have mobile PU, or not. The correct answer is mobile, both there and there. But some are so unpleasant to admit their mistakes that they are ready to climb into the jungle and come up with another hundred thousand conditions, in their defense
                1. Stalllker 11 March 2020 14: 32 New
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                  What blunders! ??? They told you through the hole, the BEECH is standing still, 360 ° shelling, the patriot has NO. What are you giving us cancer for a stone
      2. Grigory_45 10 March 2020 14: 54 New
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        Quote: Scipio
        While the patriot gathers, turns and turns around on a new

        Patriot's fighting vehicle is not a horse in a vacuum. It acts as part of the battery, where the launchers are properly oriented to obtain the required (up to the circular) sector of fire. Therefore your
        Quote: Scipio
        While the patriot gathers, turns and turns around in a new way, the drones will calmly fly up, do their job, the operettors will go smoke, come back and send the drones in the opposite direction

        no more than babbling Dunno)
        1. Scipio 10 March 2020 15: 18 New
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          Have you decided to turn on the impenetrable? How long does it take to turn a beech and a patriot? Example, an attack on a refinery, how much in the first case the drones were not shot down, and in the second case with a pomp they announced downed drones? Where did the all-round visibility go in the first cases and where did it come from in the second? Just the same in comparison with the beech in terms of reversal, the patriot is not a horse, but an elephant in a vacuum! In your opinion, a difference of a few seconds and several minutes in an air attack is a value that can be neglected? At the expense of child sculpting, it was irony, you know our know-it-all)
    2. Private-K 10 March 2020 16: 12 New
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      If I remember correctly, then Patriot PU turns only in a narrow sectorand PU Buka - 360 degrees. Those. PU Patriot need in advance orient in the given sectors, and Beech, as it has become, twists itself into a "tower". That is the point. And this is a very large and well-founded claim to Patriot characterized as principled lack of air defense systems.
      1. Grigory_45 10 March 2020 16: 18 New
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        If I remember it right

        you'd better read Mr. Scipio’s comment, which you answered and written in black in Russian:
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        Beech, this is not a patriot for you, it must be deployed in advance towards attack ... no need)
        You will also say that PU Buka does not turn towards the target ???

        Secondly, regarding the placement of Patriot fighting vehicles, it is already written on top. This is a complex of air defense systems, it is not necessary for him to actively turn his head (he has a head - a radar — that is, it stands alone and monitors the space), unlike the military air defense complex

        Horses mixed up in a bunch, people ... (s)
        1. Fikys 11 March 2020 16: 01 New
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          Quote: Gregory_45
          you'd better read Mr. Scipio’s comment, which you answered and written in black in Russian:
          Quote: Scipio
          Beech, this is not a patriot to you, his in advance deploy towards attack ... no need)

          You basically do not want to notice the highlighted word ?!
        2. Labeanov 11 March 2020 17: 53 New
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          A wonderful manner for communication - even knowing for sure that he has blunted himself firmly in his own way))))). Conversation about nothing. The beech twirls the tower, and the patriot needs to deploy the whole. What is faster? This was discussed, and not about the fact that the beech, too, should be directed towards attack. Of course it is necessary not to shoot around the Earth ???
          1. Grigory_45 11 March 2020 18: 17 New
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            What is faster? About it there was a speech

            no, not about that. To understand how it started, you need to read the comments, and not selectively. It all started with a comment:
            Quote: Scipio
            Beech, this is not a patriot for you, to deploy it in advance to the side ... he does not need goals


            so who
            Quote: Labeanov
            blunted

            big question))

            PS I am well aware of the device and Buk, and Patriot. So there is no need to tell common truths about what and how anyone turns. But to follow what is written - it would be worth it.
    3. Alex20042004 10 March 2020 19: 03 New
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      And here, lined with Turkey "Shell-2":

      https://topcor.ru/13507-makety-pancirja-v-sirii-po-chemu-v-dejstvitelnosti-bila-tureckaja-aviacija.html


      1. _Ugene_ 10 March 2020 22: 22 New
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        the tarantaya has 2 bridges on the photo above, and now look carefully at the footprints in the video - in the bend you can clearly see that the 4 bridges of this car are just like the shell, another question is exactly where this video was shot, maybe it’s not from there at all
      2. Stalllker 11 March 2020 07: 53 New
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        It is seen in the footsteps that the left target was blown up
  3. ROSS_51 10 March 2020 20: 21 New
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    Beech, this is not a patriot for you, it must be deployed in advance in the direction of attack and it does not need to know the coordinates of the target)

    You probably mixed up with Thor.
  • bessmertniy 10 March 2020 10: 48 New
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    It's good that they began to cope with drones. The discrepancies on the shot down may be due to the one on whose "balance" the drone was listed - behind the Turks or militants.
    1. loki565 10 March 2020 11: 13 New
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      could still Iranian drones land, there is no equipment of their own alien
  • cniza 10 March 2020 10: 52 New
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    More than half of the downed drones fell in an area controlled by militants.


    Why not openly say that Turkey controls this territory ...
    1. rocket757 10 March 2020 11: 16 New
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      Hi soldier
      To whom to sprinkle on the tail of "pepper", they noted right away!
      Just "bast" such or the truth do not want to read? What is surprising by the way, is this almost official information, no one is steamed to hide it? request
      1. cniza 10 March 2020 11: 31 New
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        This is where it all continues, we need to write and say everywhere that Turkey has occupied the territory of Syria and is not going to give it away.
        1. rocket757 10 March 2020 11: 36 New
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          So it’s completely true ....
          To write always and everywhere, and to put all squeals and objections thoroughly and definitively.
          To coax "colleagues, partners and fellow travelers" is a thankless task, it always has been.
          1. cniza 10 March 2020 11: 40 New
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            We are too kind, they are not so kind to us.
            1. Sky strike fighter 10 March 2020 15: 12 New
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              Minus one more Bayraktar.
              Turkish Bayraktar drone crashes near Syrian border


              According to the official version of the Turkish media, the drone crashed "due to technical problems on board." At the moment, there is a detailed study of the wreckage in order to establish the causes of the crash of the apparatus.

              http://warsonline.info/inostrannye-armii/novosti/turtciia/turk-syr-bayraktar090320-91.html
  • rotmistr60 10 March 2020 10: 55 New
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    During the acute phase of the Idlib conflict, 25 missile launches were carried out, while 20 turkish unmanned aerial vehicles.
    What I wrote above about the post that the Syrian air defense "can not see" and "can not bring down." When there is a team, they see and bring down.
  • vvvjak 10 March 2020 10: 57 New
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    Three missiles fired did not hit the targets, two more self-destructed. More than half of the downed drones fell in an area controlled by militants.

    We read on "Look": "He also notes that three times the missiles did not reach the target, two more drones self-destructed. "
    As the saying goes - feel the difference.
  • Talgarets 10 March 2020 11: 01 New
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    Sooner or later, something must end. Or rockets, or drones ...
    1. Vladimir_6 10 March 2020 12: 53 New
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      Quote: Talgarets
      Sooner or later, something must end. Or rockets, or drones ...

      Or war.
    2. AlexG83 10 March 2020 13: 00 New
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      Quote: Talgarets
      Sooner or later, something must end. Or rockets, or drones ...

      And what is the problem of delivering missiles for the Buk-s? Warehouses with expiring storage do not have missiles?
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      2. 3danimal 11 March 2020 05: 40 New
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        Ammunition transport vehicles may be affected.
        And the drone operator has an important moral advantage over the calculation of air defense systems - the lack of risk of death.
  • axiles100682 10 March 2020 11: 02 New
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    The truth, as usual, somewhere in the middle 15-16 drones were shot down. 28-30 missiles were used up. And this will be a reliable infa provided that both sides just cheat with numbers, and if one of the parties writes off to BUK and what is shot down by the others (VKS , Air defense Shell) then generally unrecognizable true.
  • NEOZ 10 March 2020 11: 02 New
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    if they shot down 20 drones in 3-4 days .... Turkey had about 110 drones ...
    those. if the war had dragged on, then in weeks 2, the air defense system of the SAR would have reset all Turkish drones ....
    1. LifeIsGood 10 March 2020 11: 22 New
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      It's still bullshit, look wider !!! These figures are really cold. I would even say an ice shower for drone followers! Such losses from the Syrian army air defense (the "special Strength and training" of the military air defense of the SAR we roughly represent) is just tin! And if you add finances here ... one such toy costs about 10 mil. greens ... Yes, plus other losses in technology. That Turks so sickly spent 4 days of war!
      1. voyaka uh 10 March 2020 12: 56 New
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        "still cold, I would even say an ice shower for drone followers!" ///
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        On the contrary, the phenomenal success of shock drones in the destruction of armored vehicles.
        Only at first it is necessary to clean up the army air defense with the help of barrage of ammunition and kamikaze drones.
        1. sivuch 10 March 2020 14: 20 New
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          And this is a big question - who will clean whom. Air defense has a complete advantage here (meaning normal air defense of the SV level of SA or RF)
          1. voyaka uh 10 March 2020 15: 14 New
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            No already. In the GOS of modern ammunition planning or flying like the Kyrgyz Republic, an electronic warfare unit is built in.
            And it makes the radars of a ground-based complex or the radar in the head of a rocket lose its target.
            But there is no video channel in the GOS of Russian missiles.
            1. sivuch 10 March 2020 15: 31 New
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              I apologize, I read it incorrectly - I realized that it was shock drones that would clean up the air defense. If someone else does it, then the armored vehicles can be crushed by anything. And here, by the way, a larger and heavier caliber is desirable.
              And the EW unit in a rocket / bomb, by definition, has limited weight and size. So here is the usual electronic warfare - who is who. At a ground-based radar, the power and size of the antenna are incomparably larger, and the GOS in the zurka may not be at all.
              1. voyaka uh 10 March 2020 15: 39 New
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                “And here, by the way, a larger and heavier caliber is desirable.” ///
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                That's the advantage of drones, that a large caliber is not needed. Defeats are achieved by jewelry accuracy of hitting from above. Turks labeled in the engine compartment, on board.
                Instead of the usual 150 mm ATGM necessary to defeat the frontal armor, several special, very light missiles with a caliber of less than 100 m are taken on drones. Their funnel is enough to penetrate weak upper or side armor.
                1. sivuch 10 March 2020 16: 02 New
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                  This already looks like removal of the tonsils through the anus.
        2. Albert1988 10 March 2020 17: 08 New
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          On the contrary, the phenomenal success of shock drones in the destruction of armored vehicles.

          Then I ask you for accurate data on the ratio of destroyed armored vehicles / downed drones ... which you will never imagine, because such accurate and confirmed data is simply not in the public domain and no one will show them to you.
        3. _Ugene_ 10 March 2020 23: 02 New
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          On the contrary, the phenomenal success of shock drones in the destruction of armored vehicles.
          it depends on how you count, if you calculate the market value of the lost blah (30 and $ 11,5 million apiece) and all the rubbish that they destroyed, such as the T-55, then the comparison will turn out to be very not in Turkey’s favor
        4. 16329 10 March 2020 23: 06 New
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          Of course, in the first days, the SAA did not have military air defense in combat formations, this was the reason for the success of shock drones in the first days, then the corresponding forces and means were deployed, and the effectiveness of strikes and adjustments by drones significantly decreased
          And the wrecked Syrian armored vehicles, probably everyone saw this junk of the 70s of the last century, it is presented on TVD in large quantities and + - pieces of 20 iron boxes will not play a role
      2. 3danimal 11 March 2020 05: 42 New
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        Drone costs are nothing. How many air defense missile calculations have died? And the drone operators ??
        The latter have a significant moral advantage - they can easily donate a car.
        1. ultra 11 March 2020 10: 38 New
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          Drone costs are nothing. How many air defense missile calculations have died? What about drone operators?

          Downed drones are dozens of saved lives.
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            And burnt SAMs - how many unsaved drones and unsaved lives? )
            In addition, SAM calculations are also very expensive - in terms of financial costs and training time.
            I repeat, they risk their lives by repelling the attack (you cannot reboot), the drone operator is more likely to play a computer game without risking anything (there are no errors due to fear of death), gaining experience at the same time.
    2. Vol4ara 10 March 2020 11: 36 New
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      Quote: NEOZ
      if they shot down 20 drones in 3-4 days .... Turkey had about 110 drones ...
      those. if the war had dragged on, then in weeks 2, the air defense system of the SAR would have reset all Turkish drones ....

      And drones, in turn, would reset all sar armored vehicles
      1. NEOZ 10 March 2020 12: 10 New
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        And drones, in turn, would reset all sar armored vehicles

        in 3-4 days, SAA lost 20% of armored vehicles?
        at bayraktara carrying capacity of 50 kg in total !!! there are only about 100 of them !!!!!!!!
        ps
        VKS of the Russian Federation 1/2 year zeroed BBM barmaley, this is 30-50 airborne combat aircraft + KR ....
        Yes, one (ONE) SU24M takes 1,5 times more bombs than ALL TOGETHER TAKE BYRAKTARS !!!!!!
        1. 3danimal 11 March 2020 05: 43 New
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          Not so effective (weapons of a different plan), afraid to fall under fire, which imposes restrictions.
          What is the drone "afraid" ??
          1. NEOZ 11 March 2020 11: 23 New
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            afraid to fall under fire, which imposes restrictions.

            specify, what restrictions does the fear of being knocked down to fulfill the task impose?
            ps
            and also specify what restrictions the infantrymen had / have during the war (2nd World War, for example).
            1. 3danimal 11 March 2020 13: 57 New
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              It’s easy: the principle “it’s hard to get into the person shooting at you” does not work with respect to the robot.
              Do you think that, being under fire, the infantrymen calmly aimed themselves at the opponent? They shot more blindly, to suppress, so that he would also “shoot down the sight”.
              The pilot, the man pointing the bomb at the target with a laser, will begin to maneuver vigorously and disrupt the guidance when he finds a rocket launched by itself.
              The UAV operator in such a situation remains calm and restrained, because it does not turn on self-preservation.
              (As we recall, bailout over enemy territory is also equal to death).
      2. sivuch 10 March 2020 14: 21 New
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        Zero mostly light armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles and then, mainly in the first two days of widespread use
    3. private person 10 March 2020 12: 10 New
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      then in weeks 2, air defense of the SAR would have reset all Turkish drones ....

      Missiles for the Buk’s are also worth the money, and their supply is not unlimited at SAR air defense. One Buk self-propelled gun battery 12 missiles fired at the request of 25 missiles.
  • loki565 10 March 2020 11: 10 New
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    The problem is that there is no military air defense, these drones could easily shoot down the same tunguska, shell or torus
    1. dzvero 10 March 2020 11: 29 New
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      The problem is rather that the Syrians did not deploy army air defense in a timely manner. There was no need against the barmalei, and the direct intervention of the Turks, apparently, was not expected. So the first one and a half days, the Anki with the bayraktars frolic ... The miscalculation, of course, is obvious, but it is more political than purely military.
      1. loki565 10 March 2020 11: 39 New
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        I agree, with the support of the drones of the broads, they were able to stop the offensive and even discard Assad's army. All the same, air defense should be standard equipment at the forefront and in columns on the march. Otherwise, it could have been much worse, such as in Iraq.

    2. sivuch 10 March 2020 14: 24 New
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      The CAA has no or almost no tungusus, the Shell is generally not SV air defense, and the Torah, if any, is only Iranian - there were rumors that the Iranians brought several BMs. Of course, to protect their facilities
      1. Uncle Izya 10 March 2020 22: 09 New
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        Something the tori help them a little against Israeli missiles
        1. ultra 11 March 2020 10: 41 New
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          The SA has no Thors in service.
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            I mean about Iran
  • Artemy Morozov 10 March 2020 11: 10 New
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    Like they are Ukrainian? Then I agree. They are also silent of those who are not yet mayor.
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    Named the number of Turkish drones shot down by the Buk air defense system of Syria

    Is he equipped with rockets? How far can it work? The main thing was to stay away from the Turkish howitzers ... however, you can keep the spotters away from you!
    In general, normal "work" as it should.
  • vladcub 10 March 2020 11: 18 New
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    Before the outbreak of war in Syria, there were 100 army with excellent weapons at that time. Now there are no more than 000, so the Barmalei have successful translations. Assad lacks reliable and trained soldiers.
    There was probably a shortage of trained officers in the air defense. Apparently, the shortage is now partially replenished. If really destroyed 20, not less. 100% trust the message is not worth it, but you can not trust the Turks.
    Somewhere I met such an aphorism: "nowhere else do they lie like in war and in love."
    1. Vol4ara 10 March 2020 11: 40 New
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      Quote: vladcub
      Before the outbreak of war in Syria, there were 100 army with excellent weapons at that time. Now there are no more than 000, so the Barmalei have successful translations. Assad lacks reliable and trained soldiers.
      There was probably a shortage of trained officers in the air defense. Apparently, the shortage is now partially replenished. If really destroyed 20, not less. 100% trust the message is not worth it, but you can not trust the Turks.
      Somewhere I met such an aphorism: "nowhere else do they lie like in war and in love."

      They never lie so much as during the war, after the hunt and before the election. Bismarck
      1. Astra wild 10 March 2020 15: 35 New
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        Will need to remember
    2. Astra wild 10 March 2020 15: 34 New
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      "there was a shortage of trained officers," so the Israelis were outrageous there?
  • aszzz888 10 March 2020 11: 19 New
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    These air defense systems during the acute phase of the Idlib conflict produced 25 missile launches, while 20 Turkish unmanned aerial vehicles were hit.
    Nibbled the Turks not sickly. This practice of war is necessary for us as well.
  • Zaurbek 10 March 2020 11: 28 New
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    The main thing is that in the truce, drones still fly, and drones, in addition to the strikes themselves, also correct artillery fire
  • CommanderDIVA 10 March 2020 11: 29 New
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    It’s an expensive pleasure to use the Buk for these UAVs, I think there’s one rocket for a million rubles, the Syrian experience has shown the effectiveness of the price-result ratio using the Shell, in the latest modification
    1. protoss 10 March 2020 11: 42 New
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      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      I think one rocket costs a million rubles

      at the current rate - these are mere pennies wink
    2. Nick Russ 10 March 2020 14: 09 New
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      ,, It’s an expensive pleasure to use the Buk for these UAVs, I think there is one rocket for a million rubles, the Syrian experience has shown the effectiveness of the price-result ratio using the Shell, in the latest version,

      From data on the Internet. A Turkish strike drone costs about 10 million dollars, while a BUK costs about 250 thousand dollars.
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        for a million rubles worth

        And the shell is worth a billion, plus a trained crew. And the tank is $ 3-4 million. There is also the factor of a trained and armed soldier (equipment on it for a half a lemon. And the morale of the troops when they shoot you with impunity.)
        PS: Another military miscalculation of our military advisers.
        1. 16329 10 March 2020 23: 14 New
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          The T62 tank is offered for 300-400 thousand Euros, in working condition, and the tank of the Syrian army, which participated in the hostilities, I don’t think it’s worth anything
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            T62 Offered for 300-400 thousand Euros

            And the tank T-90A Vladimir? What are we losing? The Turks are positioning that the cost of the Shell is $ 50 million, and the Buk 35 million, Tor, 75 million. Of course they lie, but for Russian domestic prices, the shell is 800 million rubles, and the T-90A, $ 2,50 million
    3. sivuch 10 March 2020 14: 26 New
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      Bayraktars are quite expensive. But Buki at least are far from Turkish Firtin
  • Strashila 10 March 2020 11: 38 New
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    “In Idlib, Ankara first used a new tactic, tentatively called a“ swarm of drones. ”“ The tactic is not new, it was tested during the attack of the Russian air base.
    1. Zaurbek 10 March 2020 13: 15 New
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      The main damage was not due to this. Drones flights were allowed on the Sochi talks. And they flew there daily for reconnaissance. If its results were reported to the militants, by virtue of the situation, this generally did not affect the actions of the SAA ....
      The actions of the SAA did not imply danger from the air, and here peacefully flying drones began to induce modern Fertin's howitzers (this is the level of the MSTAS) and began to attack from the air themselves, to this the jamming was added.
  • sanik2020 10 March 2020 12: 15 New
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    The good old Soviet iron, although modernized, but the result is almost 100%.
    And here’s a new promoted, democratic iron like Shell, the result is 20%.
    The excuses of the Shell manufacturers were the most ridiculed; the Saudis were to blame.
    1. Spartanec 10 March 2020 12: 42 New
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      Dear, do not confuse the Shell with the Patriot))
    2. Sky strike fighter 10 March 2020 13: 33 New
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      Quote: sanik2020
      The good old Soviet iron, although modernized, but the result is almost 100%.
      And here’s a new promoted, democratic iron like Shell, the result is 20%.
      The excuses of the Shell manufacturers were the most ridiculed; the Saudis were to blame.

      In 2011, the Syrians purchased the Buk-M2E. The difficult fate of this air defense system.
      In 1988, the complex was adopted by the Air Defense Forces. Due to the collapse of the USSR and the difficult economic situation in Russia, serial production of the complex was not deployed. After 15 years, the documentation for the complex was finalized under the modern elemental base of mass production. Since 2008, the complex entered the Russian troops.
      In the 1990s, a variant of the Buk-M2E - Ural complex was developed and passed joint tests, designed for the air defense forces.


      On December 22, 2009, at the presentation of the Golden Idea National Award (based on 2008 results), the author’s team of OJSC UMP together with OJSC NIIP im. V.V. Tikhomirova ”for the development of serial production of the anti-aircraft missile system“ BUK-M3E ”.

      https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%83%D0%BA-%D0%9C2
  • sanik2020 10 March 2020 12: 47 New
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    I’m talking about the Shells, because lately they only talk about their inaccurate and broken ones and Patriot specializes mainly in friendly fire.
    1. Spartanec 10 March 2020 12: 59 New
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      Well then, I didn’t understand where the Saudis were here)) As far as I remember when the drones attack the Saudi deposits, the patriots just got into a mess) Or am I confusing?
  • Alexey from Perm 10 March 2020 12: 52 New
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    The data from the Syrians cannot be unambiguously correct, well, at least they could provide fragments of 10 drones in confirmation of their words.
    1. aiden 11 March 2020 00: 24 New
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      Yes, in social networks every day new videos and photos of debris pop up. About 15 it was for sure. I'm too lazy of course to collect all the photos in a bunch. But I’ll say that I took one picture from a telegram and pulled out the date and coordinates from it. It turned out as it was signed, fell in Turkish territory.
  • shubin 10 March 2020 12: 56 New
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    Of course, I am not a military expert, but to shoot from Buk through drones is like a cannon from sparrows. Or am I wrong?
    1. NEOZ 10 March 2020 14: 22 New
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      Quote: shubin
      bullet from beech on drones, it’s like a gun on sparrows

      a beech rocket is much cheaper than a drone!
      ps
      the drone flies at an altitude of 6-7k m, respectively, can get the current beech and more advanced air defense
      PPP
      armor, MANPADS, wasps, shilka and other drone will not get ....
      1. Sky strike fighter 10 March 2020 14: 45 New
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        armor, MANPADS, wasps, shilka and other drone will not get ....

        The shell has declared performance characteristics of up to 20 km in range and up to 15 km in height. UAVs will be completely accessible.
        1. NEOZ 10 March 2020 15: 07 New
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          The armor declared performance characteristics up to 20 km in range

          this is subject to the UAV flying almost over the shell. which is unlikely.
          on this they knock down beeches ...
      2. Astra wild 10 March 2020 15: 59 New
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        I’m curious like all women, and now I’ve looked at Vika: in the range of 1,2 km - 20 km, in height from 15 m to 15 km. You can read it yourself
        1. NEOZ 10 March 2020 16: 03 New
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          Quote: Astra wild
          I'm curious like all women

          But what, in fact, do not suit you?
    2. Sky strike fighter 10 March 2020 14: 38 New
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      Iran, when it shot down an American Triton UAV, used the Khordad-15 medium-range air defense system, Israel used to shoot down drones using the Patriot medium-range air defense system. Anka-S worth about $ 30 million and Bayraktar worth around $ 11,5 million are not cheap fake drones that are a pity to spend missiles on. The cost of the first UAV approaches the cost of a fighter, and the second UAV to the cost of a helicopter.
      1. Oquzyurd 10 March 2020 16: 54 New
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        This is if you sell to other countries. For the Turks themselves, at least 2 times cheaper.
    3. Alexey from Perm 11 March 2020 03: 13 New
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      he is also worth a lot if at stake is human. life is then worth
  • sanik2020 10 March 2020 13: 06 New
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    The Saudis, despite the fact that the manufacturers of the Carapace said that, at their request, the Carapace extended the range and there the missile at the start is poorly maneuverable, because there are so many misses.
    1. Spartanec 10 March 2020 13: 23 New
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      For the first time I hear this from you) I'm not an expert but a layman, and as far as I know, the Saudis have no shell. This is an excerpt from the article for you specifically)))
      Quote:
      And finally, Saudi Arabia realized that with the American means of defense against missile attacks, the kingdom will not have a quiet life. And in October, during a visit to Moscow by the Saudi King Salman bin Abdel Al Saud, negotiations were held on the purchase of Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. However, due to pressure from the United States, the kingdom was forced to abandon the S-400.

      But now, it seems, it’s completely aggravated. Hushits strike blow after blow with impunity, and American air defense systems are not able to prevent this.
    2. Spartanec 10 March 2020 13: 27 New
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      they are just about to buy them. But to assemble or not is another question)
    3. Grigory_45 10 March 2020 13: 38 New
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      Quote: sanik2020
      The Saudis, despite the fact that the shell manufacturers said that at their request the shell extended the range of

      The carapace was never shipped to Saudi Arabia.

      Quote: sanik2020
      the launch rocket is weakly maneuverable, because there are supposedly so many misses.

      any missile of any air defense system at max. low maneuverability
    4. Sky strike fighter 10 March 2020 14: 49 New
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      The Saudis, despite the fact that the manufacturers of the Carapace said that, at their request, the Carapace extended the range and there the missile at the start is poorly maneuverable, because there are so many misses.

      You probably meant the UAE, who purchased the Shell-C1 and delivered it, including to the Libyan army of Haftar, and not Saudi Arabia.
    5. Alexey from Perm 11 March 2020 03: 14 New
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      because some very not smart people did 2 step without a marching engine))))
  • edeligor 10 March 2020 13: 14 New
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    Quote: Strashila
    "In Idlib, Ankara first took advantage of a new tactic, tentatively called the" swarm of drones. "

    As far as I know (I could be wrong), this tactic is true for mini-drones, which, with the help of special software, are sharpened to break through highly echeloned air defense. The whole essence of which lies in the ineffective struggle of modern means with minimal sizes of goals. Question - what does Turkey have to do with this tactic?
    1. Sky strike fighter 10 March 2020 14: 54 New
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      The Turks understood this tactic in their own way. And expensive drones used in large quantities. To show the product face and promote it to the markets. It’s not for nothing that Erdogan’s son-in-law manages the production of Turkish drones.
  • Astra wild 10 March 2020 15: 40 New
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    Quote: Spartanec
    Dear, do not confuse the Shell with the Patriot))

    Probably for him the main thing is that it starts with the letter P, and the Patriot or the Shell does not play a role
  • Retvizan 8 10 March 2020 15: 59 New
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    Work, Brothers!
  • Romanenko 10 March 2020 16: 32 New
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    Well, on the air, they clashed one with the other, the Syrians talk about 20 downed drones, and Signor Tomato about 8 destroyed Armor, it would be nice, of course, that the drones are downed and the Armor is intact, but apparently, the truth is somewhere between them, yes, it looks like nobody will never know ....
    1. Alexey from Perm 11 March 2020 03: 16 New
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      nowhere do they lie like in war and fishing))
  • Alex Justice 10 March 2020 17: 49 New
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    What is more expensive BEECH or UAV?
  • Old26 11 March 2020 01: 40 New
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    Quote: Scipio
    How long does a turn of a beech and a patriot take?

    And how many?
    And one and the other complex. 360 degree rotary launchers. And you all trump facts 30 years ago, when towed PU "Patriot" in reality were not turning
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      And one and the other complex. 360 degree rotary launchers.

      Ayayay Vladimir.
      Well, where is the 360-degree platform here?
  • Sasha_5 11 March 2020 14: 29 New
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    Classic
    - Doctor, my neighbor says he can have sex with his wife 10 times a night
    - Yes, what problems, and you say so
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    Is it not a little expensive from Bukov on drones?
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    "A civil servant of this country, whose name is not called" - the phrase on duty. But even if it’s true 12 drones against 8 Syrian Air Force helicopters, 155 tanks, 102 howitzers, MLRS, 95 armored vehicles, 8 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3 drones and two missile launchers - you see, they were worth it, even if the number of Syrian losses was exaggerated by half.
    “More than half of the downed drones fell in an area controlled by militants” - i.e. there is no evidence of one word from the "State employee, whose name is not called."
  • Old26 12 March 2020 16: 22 New
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    And one and the other complex. 360 degree rotary launchers.

    Ayayay Vladimir.
    Well, where is the 360-degree platform here?

    Well, you, the namesake, took the towed launcher of the RAS-3 complex as an example. Why don't you consider this launcher?