Russia threatens the “Crimean scenario” in Syria


We can get a potential “Crimean scenario” or “Tsushima-2” in Syria. Our defeat at a remote theater, where we cannot concentrate a full-fledged grouping capable of opposing the enemy.


Neither peace nor war


The meeting between Russian President V.V. Putin and Turkish President R. Erdogan did not bring any side of visible success. Each side remained of its own opinion, and further events in Syria will inevitably show the correctness of this conclusion.

On March 5, 2020, negotiations were held. On March 6, a truce entered into force. Both sides agreed on the status quo. That is, the Syrian army and its allies remained the territory occupied over two months. Turkey retained only part of Idlib, having lost control over the M-4 and M-5 routes, which worsens the ability of the Turkish army and pro-Turkish gangs to control territories and supply, truncate their food supply, etc. Also, the territory of the buffer territory necessary for Ankara to dump masses of refugees. At the same time, Idlib militants with the help of Turkey avoided a complete defeat. It is not surprising that on the 8th, Erdogan announced that he was ready to resume hostilities in Syria. At the same time, clashes between Turks and Kurds continue. Turkey is building up a military force in Syria and asks NATO for support in the fight against "terrorists."

Turkish leader Erdogan cannot retreat. Firstly, the stakes are too high. He must not lose face in front of his supporters and the "party of war." Otherwise, loss of trust and power. Secondly, a lot is at stake. The Turkish "Sultan" is playing a card to restore the sphere of influence of the Ottoman Empire in the Middle East. Hence the three wars that, in fact, are waged by the Turks. With Kurds (including Iraq), in Syria and Libya. There is a whole knot of contradictions. The Kurdish question is very painful for the Turkish elite. Ankara also needs control over part of Syria in order to create a buffer state entity, which can then replace the regime of B. Assad. The Turks participate in the "gas war", promoting their project (along with Qatar) and striking at other people's projects. Erdogan turns his country into a regional gas hub, which will allow him to influence European politics. Hence the struggle for the Cypriot shelves, participation in the war in Libya and the conflict with Greece.

Thus, Erdogan decided to use the window of opportunity that fell to him to recreate Ottoman Empire 2. The moment is rather favorable. The United States under Trump gradually abandons the position of a superpower in the Near and Middle East (Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, refusal to fight with Iran, etc.). Washington will not actively engage in Middle Eastern affairs until the November elections. Iran, China, France, Great Britain, Russia and Israel conduct their policies. Iraq and Syria are destroyed. The region is in chaos.

The threat of a new Russian-Turkish war


All this poses a threat to a new military clash between Russia and Turkey. Moscow is still evading a direct conflict, but it is becoming increasingly difficult to do so. The conflict in Idlib exacerbated the situation. The current situation does not suit either Damascus, nor Moscow, nor Ankara. There is no solid foundation for peace. And a new round of confrontation is inevitable. It began literally immediately after the truce.

On the whole, Russia's situation is extremely unstable. Without control of the straits, she cannot guarantee the supply of her group and bases in Syria. Turkey has a common border with Syria and can quickly form a group that has complete superiority over the remnants of the Syrian army and our forces. At the same time, there is a hostile attitude on the part of other "partners" in the Syrian war: Saudi Arabia, England, France, the United States, NATO as a whole, and Israel. Iran is also not worth hoping for help (Russia and Iran are only tactical allies). At any time, Tehran will become an adversary or take a position of neutrality, when Russia needs support.

Israel has its own interests. The Russian group plays the role of a “buffer” that protects Israel from jihadists and Iranian and pro-Iranian groups. At the same time, Israel regularly bombes Iran’s positions in Syria, since the transformation of this country into a strategic bridgehead of Tehran does not correspond to the interests of Jerusalem. Therefore, Moscow turns a blind eye for Israeli air and missile attacks on Syrian territory.

Thus, we get a potential “Crimean scenario” (Crimean War of 1853-1856) or “Tsushima 2”. Russia's defeat at a remote theater, where it cannot concentrate and supply a full-fledged grouping capable of opposing the enemy. At the same time, the Russian power and the people receive nothing from Syria (the current benefits from resources and military bases are minimal), and without control of the torrential zone, Moscow could lose everything at any time. Russia has no benefits from a “partnership” with Turkey, and feeds a strategic and historical adversary. The “Turkish stream” brought only losses, its prospects in the current conditions are very vague. Moscow does not have a full-fledged ally in the person of Iran. Tehran does not need a war with Ankara, the Iranians see the enemy in Israel, who is the "friend" of the Kremlin.

As a result, we can see either the inglorious withdrawal of Russian troops from Syria, or a new Russian-Turkish war. But the war is local, only at the Syrian theater. Both scenarios are negative. Both the conclusion and the defeat will be used for the further buildup of the domestic political situation. And in a new round of global and domestic Russian economic crisis (the collapse of the policy of the pipe - the energy "power"), this is very dangerous.

Russian historian. V. Klyuchevsky noted:

«History “This is not a teacher, but a supervisor: she does not teach anything, but severely punishes her for not knowing the lessons.”
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  1. Hunter 2 10 March 2020 05: 48 New
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    What am I reading now? belay What is the Russian-Turkish war ??? What is Tsushima and the Crimean scenario of 1853?
    Yes - not all were “calmly” able to congratulate their women on March 8!
    Erdogan is certainly the same Weather Vane ... but - go to Direct Combat Operations against Russia - This is just some kind of Apocalypse stop
    1. Michael_59 10 March 2020 07: 41 New
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      Quote: Hunter 2

      Direct Fighting Against Russia - This is the Apocalypse


      Uncle, wake up - you are ... that ...
      And about the "apocalypse" - tell relatives and colleagues of Lt. Col. Peshkov.
      1. bessmertniy 10 March 2020 07: 50 New
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        Do not be sad about. stop It’s better to figure out how we can win in this situation without earthly apocalypses and explosions of the Universe. Generalisimus Suvorov told us - not by number, but by skill. And here we have it: a wonderful case when it is a skill that needs to be applied. hi
        1. Chervonny 10 March 2020 08: 04 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          And here we have it: a wonderful case when it is a skill that needs to be applied

          It’s invisible that there is so far something ... Erdogan, after negotiations with Russia on the Syrian events, according to the monm opinion, has strengthened in his illusion about his greatness. How further events will develop, time will tell ...
        2. Antiliberast 10 March 2020 15: 49 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          It’s better to figure out how we can win in this situation without earthly apocalypses and explosions of the Universe.

          The commentator on VO assumes, but the MO has wink In general, it’s time to stop building virgins out of oneself (to think out what is necessary) and, for a start, it would not be bad (at the moment) for the Saudi “peat bogs” to take a fire, but as we know it’s quite possible, and time will come to think about the future. Yes and here's another thing-
          In general, the situation in Russia is extremely unstable. Without control of the straits, she cannot guarantee the supply of her group and bases in Syria.
          - I’m embarrassed to ask, is it possible to smuggle it into prokashniks ... but not to run around like a matchmaker in a circle of a burning hut ..
          1. ammunition 11 March 2020 15: 54 New
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            Quote: Anti-librast
            - I’m embarrassed to ask, is it possible to smuggle it into prokashniks ... but not to run around like a matchmaker in a circle of a burning hut ..

            Utopia ..
            Even supplying the army in Afghanistan was difficult. (see the loss of drivers).
            1. Antiliberast 11 March 2020 16: 06 New
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              Duc like ships do not sink yet and Ilyukha do not fall, and the carriers do not go from us to Syria. Well, okay, then it's not my business, there are smart guys for that, let them have a headache, but I just asked and no more hi
          2. Sergey Sfiedu 14 March 2020 02: 19 New
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            “and for a start it would not be bad (at the moment) for the Saudi“ peat bogs ”to make a light” - very clever. But this is bad luck - while for the Saudis, the Turks are the main enemies, more importantly even Assad and the Russians. Pro-Saudi forces in Syria are defeated, and do not take a significant part in the events. But if we wisely “set fire to their peat bogs” (as we have just wisely refused a deal with OPEC), the Arabs will also wisely spoil us in Syria.
      2. Hunter 2 10 March 2020 07: 50 New
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        Quote: Michael_59


        Uncle, wake up - you are ... that ...
        And about the "apocalypse" - tell relatives and colleagues of Lt. Col. Peshkov.

        AU - man 59 !!! You Incident (provocation) from the fighting distinguish? When the war is not in your head, but for the Present ???
        Actually - the question is nowhere, which is clear from your comment! what
      3. Graz 10 March 2020 11: 15 New
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        Enough to piss in your pants, 2 army in the world, a nuclear power, are you going to let snot for a long time?
        There is a Yao, it means that it is necessary to demonstrate the readiness of its application so that all understand and feel it, do not be shy and humiliate yourself, RESPECT YOURSELF, and the country!
        1. Olgovich 10 March 2020 12: 22 New
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          Quote: Graz
          There is a Yao, it means that it is necessary to demonstrate the readiness of its application so that all understand and feel it, do not be shy and humiliate yourself, RESPECT YOURSELF, and the country!

          readiness is not necessary, but REMEMBER about its existence is definitely necessary.

          The author forgot that Turkey borders not only Syria in the south, but also with Russia in the NORTH.

          And, accordingly, the Syrian grouping of Russia is only a small part of its forces, which Turkey is facing from two sides.

          The main thing is that Russia should act with its authority and weight, and not fight physically: let the Syrians do it yourselft-with the help of Russia. IMHO
          1. Silhouette 10 March 2020 16: 36 New
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            The author forgot that Turkey borders not only Syria in the south, but also with Russia in the NORTH.

            Where is it????
            1. CT-55_11-9009 11 March 2020 00: 10 New
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              Quote: Silhouette
              Where is it????

              Olgovich, it seems, still lives in the USSR. There was a Soviet-Turkish land border there. Now - except that we border the Black Sea.
            2. Olgovich 12 March 2020 11: 19 New
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              Quote: Silhouette
              The author forgot that Turkey borders not only Syria in the south, but also with Russia in the NORTH.

              Where is it????


              This is in .... geography !!!!
              Boundaries

              Turkey borders (clockwise):

              From the north: Bulgaria, the sea border with Romania, Ukraine, Russia
          2. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 10: 37 New
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            Look at the map, strategist
            1. Olgovich 12 March 2020 11: 15 New
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              Quote: From Siberia we
              Look at the map, strategist

              Go to SCHOOL, ignoramus: Borders
              Turkey borders (clockwise):

              From the north: Bulgaria, sea border with Romania, Ukraine, Russia,.

              Do you remember?

              Further:
              "Myself, myself!" (with)
              hi
              1. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 11: 18 New
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                It borders in the east with Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan (a 15-kilometer stretch of the border with the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic, which does not border the rest of Azerbaijan) and Iran; in the south, with Iraq and Syria; in the west - with Greece and Bulgaria.
              2. From Siberia we 12 March 2020 11: 33 New
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                maritime border with Romania, Ukraine, Russia ,.

                then Russia borders with Peru, Ecuador and Chile
              3. Silhouette 15 March 2020 13: 13 New
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                For smart people who consider themselves smart. The maritime border is 12 miles. Further - neutral waters.
                1. Olgovich 15 March 2020 15: 22 New
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                  Quote: Silhouette
                  For smart people who consider themselves smart. The maritime border is 12 miles. Next - neutral waters

                  For "wise men" who consider themselves smart:
                  Turkey on the Black Sea has common sea border of the economic zone and the continental shelf with the Russian Federation and Ukraine
        2. Ka-52 10 March 2020 14: 32 New
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          If there is, then it is necessary to demonstrate the readiness of its use.

          it was always interesting to know how old these applicants were. Well, or in what class of school did their formation stop what
        3. Host Tavern 10 March 2020 16: 24 New
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          do not be shy and self-abase

          Hmm, no words! angry
    2. Mavrikiy 10 March 2020 08: 25 New
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      But the war is local, only at the Syrian theater.
      AND...?
      Quote: Hunter 2
      What is the Russian-Turkish war ??? What is Tsushima and the Crimean scenario of 1853?

      How did the Russo-Turkish Wars end? There was Turkish meat in Crimean, but supplies and engineers, equipment, special forces, navy, the whole of Europe then fought, in one form or another. And where is she now?
      Tsushima-2 in the straits or in the Mediterranean Sea? A variant in the Black do not consider? ....
      With a database in Syria, flights of the Kyrgyz Republic through East Turkey are possible. And the supply of MANPADS to the Kurds, allies.
      1. aybolyt678 10 March 2020 13: 48 New
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        Is the Gromyko option not considered? is it to let the new straits break through?
    3. Obi-Wan Kenobi 10 March 2020 08: 56 New
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      What is the Russian-Turkish war ???

      What do you think? What did the Turks just get into Syria?
      Finally, an explanatory article appeared about this whole Syrian conflict.
      Our guarantor needed this Syrian company to finish in a maximum of 2-3 months, and not stretch the war for several years. It was immediately clear how it would all end.
      So we got what we wanted.
      1. Hunter 2 10 March 2020 09: 16 New
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        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        What is the Russian-Turkish war ???

        What do you think? What did the Turks just get into Syria?
        Finally, an explanatory article appeared about this whole Syrian conflict.
        Our guarantor needed this Syrian company to finish in a maximum of 2-3 months, and not stretch the war for several years. It was immediately clear how it would all end.
        So we got what we wanted.

        Yeah, the Turks in Syria want to unleash the war with Russia exclusively ... they (the Turks) have no other problems, and they don’t depend on Russia at all, they are friends with the USA and with EUROPE - well, just don’t spill water with passion .. Well, about the terms of the company - this is generally a masterpiece! How is it that you have not yet been appointed Chief of the General Staff with such "brain" activity? laughing
        Erdogan - A very Impulsive politician, but far from Suicide! Or do you think he brought an ultimatum to Moscow, but hesitated to voice it? no
        1. Obi-Wan Kenobi 10 March 2020 10: 00 New
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          Yeah, the Turks in Syria want to unleash the war with Russia exclusively ... they (the Turks) have no problems, and they don’t depend on Russia at all

          Dear Vasya with the "brains" read carefully:
          Turks are not going to fight with Russia, at least not yet. And Russia is definitely not only not going to fight the Turks, our guarantor, in principle, is not going to fight with anyone at all. Even though he has enough brains. Russia will not pull any war now, except nuclear.
          All that the Turks want is to drive Russia out of Syria, pile on Assad, and at the same time get hold of the territory with oil. Fortunately, we have already built a stream for Erdogan. Russia is no longer needed.
          Is it clear now.
          Think with your head and watch less Kiselyov, Solovyov and the TV channel "Star".
          1. Hunter 2 10 March 2020 10: 42 New
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            IVF has upset you ... laughing We think first - then we write!

            Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
            What is the Russian-Turkish war ???

            What do you think? What did the Turks just get into Syria?
            Our guarantor needed to finish this Syrian company in a maximum of 2-3 months. It was immediately clear how it would all end.
            So we got what we wanted.

            There is actually a different interpretation as the presence of the Russian-Turkish War and is not visible from the comment ... oh yes, well, the Guarantor did not ask the farmer for an opinion (not waiting) laughing

            Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi

            Dear Vasya, read the brains carefully.

            In the absence of your brain - envy someone else. Look at My name in the profile, or did Vasya decide to "punt"?
            Well, Analiteg - from You as from him - Charge! Even too lazy to disassemble farm work! yes
          2. Ka-52 10 March 2020 13: 36 New
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            Obi Wan Kenobi (Sigismund Voldemarovich)

            All the Turks want is to drive Russia out of Syria

            Turks do not have such goals. Turkey has lured armed formations (essentially gangs), which she, Turkey, uses as cannon fodder in the confrontation with the Kurds - the main enemy. Turkey does not care about the alliance of the Russian Federation-Syria until it encroaches on their "orphans". Once the CAA stops in its progress towards Idlib, all the kipage will immediately subside by itself.
            pile on Assad

            and Assad is not Turkey’s military target for the above reason. Turkey is violet against any Syrian government, if only it does not fit into their plans.
            at the same time get hold of the territory with oil

            nonsense too. The territory that Turkey wants to control is not rich in oil reserves. The main deposits are located in eastern Syria and are controlled by the Americans. Turks want to create a narrow border strip and populate it with their barmales. To prevent the PKK (now strong and armed) to its border
            Think with your head....

            judging by what was written in the comment, you yourself should use your own advice
            1. Obi-Wan Kenobi 10 March 2020 19: 30 New
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              at the same time get hold of the territory with oil
              nonsense too. The territory that Turkey wants to control is not rich in oil reserves. The main deposits are located in eastern Syria and are controlled by the Americans. Turks want to create a narrow border strip and populate it with their barmales. To prevent the PKK (now strong and armed) to its border
              Think with your head....
              judging by what was written in the comment, you yourself should use your own advice

              And here is the answer for you, note not mine:
              Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan invited Russian leader Vladimir Putin to cooperate in the oil and gas sector. We are talking about the joint development of oil fields located in Syria, in the province of Deir ez-Zor.
              Such a message was made by the Reuters news agency. American journalists claim that information about Erdogan’s proposal comes from the Turkish leader himself.
              Now, completely different people, whom the Turkish president calls terrorists, are engaged in oil production in this area. He calls the Kurds and the moderate opposition from the Arab provinces supporting them.
              Erdogan believes that Turkey should take up the development of deposits in Deir ez-Zor, taking the Russian Federation as partners. If Putin does not appreciate this generous offer, then President of the United States Donald Trump will receive it.
              Actually, Trump has his own vision of this problem, in which Erdogan is not assigned any role. In November last year, he said that, despite the previously announced withdrawal of troops from Syria, he decided to maintain control of the Syrian fields. And let the borders of this country be controlled by whoever wants to. The US president explained his decision by saying that he loves oil.
              And no one asked the legal president of the Syrian Arab Republic, Bashar al-Assad, any opinions on this matter.


              And which of us was right?
              Today I already wrote a message to one and I will repeat it to you:
              Think with your own head and watch less Kiselyov, Solovyov and the TV channel "Star".

              And the link:
              https://topwar.ru/168837-jerdogan-predlozhil-putinu-podelit-mezhdu-soboj-neft-sirii.html
              1. Ka-52 11 March 2020 05: 00 New
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                Think with your own head and watch less Kiselyov, Solovyov and the TV channel "Star".

                the method is simply trouble-free: when the wind is walking in the head itself, you need to reproach the opponent in teledependence on the transfers of Kiselev, Solovyov and TC Zvezda laughing Dear, it is necessary to convince opponents by arguments, but not cheap shkolyarskim trolling
                And now, in essence, your copy-paste.
                To begin with, you are not quoting the direct speech of the Turkish president, but the words he allegedly said.
                American journalists say that information about Erdogan’s proposal comes from the Turkish leader himself.

                Further, I already wrote below that Erdogan is bluffing. He understands perfectly well that the oil of the Al-Omar and At-Tanak fields is now controlled by the United States and no one (nobody, Karl!) Will simply give it to him. Turn on your head, dear - they won’t give the US control of Turkey over the Deir ez-Zora deposits! So refer here with this:
                Erdogan believes that Turkey should take up the development of deposits in Deir ez-Zor, taking the Russian Federation as a partner.

                simply means that you don’t even try to comprehend what you read somewhere
                Further we read:
                If Putin does not appreciate this generous offer, then President of the United States Donald Trump will receive it.

                another nonsense that flew over your head without even stopping. Erdogan is well aware that Putin will not agree to any proposal from Turkey based on the military seizure of part of its territory. Trump will not agree, because for him it makes no sense - he already controls these deposits. Turkey can get a concession for production, but only from the Syrian government, subject to the liberation of the occupied territories. So if Erdogan said that, then he was clearly bluffing. And you just retype this bluff, passing it off at face value.
                Yes, write more often about Kiselev and Solovyov - probably this will compensate for your worthlessness
          3. azkolt 10 March 2020 18: 32 New
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            [quote = Obi Wan Kenobi] [quote]
            our guarantor, in principle, is not going to fight with anyone at all. Even though he has enough brains.
            quote]
            You urgently need to be president! You probably have a lot more brains!
          4. Alex Nevs 10 March 2020 20: 38 New
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            Day nursery garden. School 3rd grade and then by SMS.
        2. Cyrus 10 March 2020 11: 01 New
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          Sometimes a wise guy, war is for someone the best way to solve problems.
      2. Leshy1975 10 March 2020 09: 41 New
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        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        What is the Russian-Turkish war ???

        What do you think? What did the Turks just get into Syria?
        Finally, an explanatory article appeared about this whole Syrian conflict.
        Our guarantor needed this Syrian company to finish in a maximum of 2-3 months, and not stretch the war for several years. It was immediately clear how it would all end.
        So we got what we wanted.

        I agree with your opinion hi. Finally, a balanced article appeared on the VO, reflecting the real balance of interests of the parties to the conflict in Syria, an article on the topic of the Idlib conflict. Without an admixture of any pseudo-patriotism that relates to reality from the word - no matter how. And well done author Samsonov Alexander, was not afraid that they would hang the label of the all-fightman and defeatist.
        1. New Year day 10 March 2020 10: 27 New
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          Quote: Leshy1975
          Finally, a balanced report appeared on the VO, reflecting the real balance of interests of the parties to the conflict in Syria

          for sure. Just shout and do a week ago to excited fans of GDP about the victory over Erdogan?
          At the same time, the Russian power and people do not receive anything from Syria (the current benefits from resources and military bases are minimal), and without control of the torrential zone, Moscow could lose everything at any time.
          1. Ka-52 10 March 2020 13: 52 New
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            Silvestr (Sylvester)

            for sure. That's just screaming

            screaming is your favorite activity, we already know laughing . And in this situation there is a temporary pause when the opposing forces weigh the risks. Each side is bluffing. Especially Erdagan. He has a strong position, but not enough to creep into prolonged hostilities. The Turkish economy (despite its good condition) will not digest more or less serious hostilities, even with the SAA, not to mention the direct support of Russia. Therefore, Erdagan went with his last trump card - he began to call for help from NATO (which are under the ideological opponents of it - the United States).
            So the hasty conclusions, as usual, are only business of the next grandmother. Well, yours too, where without you
        2. Paranoid50 10 March 2020 12: 04 New
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          Quote: Leshy1975
          appeared on VO weighed,

          Exactly. yes
          He was weighed, measured, and declared unfit.(C)
      3. fruit_cake 10 March 2020 09: 49 New
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        the guarantor forgot to take your consultation,
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    4. Cyrus 10 March 2020 10: 58 New
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      Bullshit is your point of view that is not justified by anything, watch a smaller TV set.
    5. flicker 10 March 2020 11: 57 New
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      what have i read now? What is the Russian-Turkish war ??? What is Tsushima and the Crimean scenario of 1853?
      A typical mantra from the "Israeli patriots", do not feed them bread; give only the opportunity to "compete" for Russia's defense and political steps. bully
    6. NEOZ 10 March 2020 13: 18 New
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      Quote: Hunter 2
      What am I reading now?

      I agree with you!
      these are all speculations and assumptions.
      All arguments are far-fetched ... and conclusions are drawn based on far-fetched ears ...
      this is a manipulation !!! the author is manipulating !!!!
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      Optimism is a good thing. Alexei, but only if he rests on a solid foundation.
  2. carstorm 11 10 March 2020 05: 50 New
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    Lord ... what a boring set of letters ... to compare modern wars and opportunities with the centuries-old past ..
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      I wish Samsonow to write on historical topics. He’s better at it.
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        Your desire does not bother anyone.
      2. Kronos 10 March 2020 12: 14 New
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        He writes on historical topics about the conspiracies of the Jews and the ancient Russo Aryans
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        I wish Samsonow to write on historical topics.
        Better to write about how Moses drove gullible Jews through the desert for 40 years.
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    The decision to help Syria is certainly the right one. And the beginning was clearly good.
    But then everything went wrong. Why did not provide for participation in this Turkey? And if taken into account, then why were not ready. And first of all, diplomats are not ready.
    Instead of answering harshly on a downed plane, Erdogan’s nerds began to coax. Are there any East specialists at the Foreign Ministry? Such a policy (appeasement) in the East is regarded as a weakness. Che, now wonder that Erdogan spits on any arrangements with us.
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      in the sense of spitting?))) Erdogan a few days ago with all the world attention rolled back and even with a smile. all his threats turned out to be zilch. CAA remained in those positions that repelled and did not move to those that he demanded. Turkish intervention is not just waiting. it was originally. harshly answered? damn and now what do you think is happening?))) target designation Syrian aviation from whom receives? whose planes destroy the Turkish soldiers who accidentally got lost among the barmaley?))) Putin apologized for their death? yeah. Shaz.
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        Erdogan a few days ago, with all the world attention, rolled back and even with a smile. all his threats turned out to be zilch

        You are childishly naive. Grow up soon.
        A person is judged not by words, but by deeds.
        In fact, Erdogan does what he wants, and not what he promises to Putin.
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          just what on business. to remind you what he said when everything went on in Idlib? and where is he now with his statements?) the things are just talking about what he can want, but he can only do what is available) and these are rather modest opportunities. they allow him to save his face and then until he becomes insolent. and tantrums in order to maintain power and popularity do not bother anyone at all.
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            ....he said...

            Twenty five again. It still doesn’t reach you .... Yes, spit what Erdogan said. Much more important is what he does in fact.
            ... pretty modest possibilities. he is allowed to save face ....

            Nevertheless, he does not think of leaving Syria anywhere. Moreover, it is expanding the grouping.
            And, as for its capabilities, do not rush to bury Turkey. The Anglo-Saxons have not yet properly connected to this topic. Either they are waiting for Edik to crawl to their knees with an apology, or they are waiting for a convenient moment to change him all the same. And then the Turkish army will receive everything necessary for the war. In any case, the war in Syria will not end so quickly.
            1. carstorm 11 10 March 2020 07: 27 New
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              so I ask what he did then?))) well, except for the words?) and I do not bury the Turks. but just talking about real opportunities. as for the Anglo-Saxons ... strongly doubt it. simply because of his domestic politics. if he does, he will lose everything. but in a quiet one, of course, it is possible only then this will lose all meaning) as for leaving Syria, I did not say that he was leaving. but he is losing territory. and still lose over time. proxies are such proxies) and he can build anything. even hair. it's all to no avail as long as there are so many players. and everything is against him.
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                Quote: carstorm 11
                so I ask what he did then?))) well, except for the words?)


                He came to Syria and does not leave, is that enough? And attempts to dislodge him come up against a military rebuff from Turkey. And it's not just words....
                1. carstorm 11 11 March 2020 03: 24 New
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                  Lord ... yes understand already. grab and hold it are not synonyms. Well, invaded a country torn by war. but can’t hold it. they have one of the strongest armies in the region but withdraw and surrender settlements and roads. 5 years ago, few people believed that Syria would survive as a state. and as a result? to enter a country stuffed with barmaleys and where there is a war a lot of intelligence and strength is not necessary. to keep this is the main thing.
            2. NordUral 10 March 2020 16: 16 New
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              I suspect that Syria is forever. Or a shame.
    2. Retvizan 8 10 March 2020 06: 39 New
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      ... "Instead of responding firmly to a downed plane" ...
      Sorry, dear, but do you really think that Russia forgave Erdogan for the downed plane?
      In your answer can only be an atomic bomb dropped on Istanbul?
      And from the last: “In Idlib, a broken-down convoy of Turkish equipment, a Turkish headquarters destroyed there and a dozen and a half dozen drones worth tens of millions of dollars, are you not impressed either? Or do you naively believe that the Syrians did this?
      1. maidan.izrailovich 10 March 2020 06: 48 New
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        ... Russia has forgiven ....

        Where's the comment on forgiveness? fool
    3. Gardamir 10 March 2020 09: 21 New
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      The one who "wanted to help" Syria also lowered the price of oil per barrel.
      And yes, this is not Tsushima, but it looks like Afghanistan. In addition, 2/3 of the losses to residents of Russia are not shown.
      1. Cyrus 10 March 2020 11: 03 New
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        Where is the evidence?
      2. Okolotochny 10 March 2020 12: 43 New
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        but it looks like Afghanistan.

        Fine. And who made the decision to introduce OK in Afghanistan? In Afghanistan there were 10 years, in Syria soon 5. The level of losses compare, if with mathematics in frets)))
        1. Gardamir 10 March 2020 13: 02 New
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          If the story is at odds, then the losses in Afghanistan at first were insignificant. But what losses in Syria you will not know soon.
        2. Krasnodar 10 March 2020 17: 56 New
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          Greetings! hi
          Quote: Okolotochny

          Fine. And who made the decision to introduce OK in Afghanistan? In Afghanistan there were 10 years, in Syria soon 5. The level of losses compare, if with mathematics in frets)))

          In Syria, the tasks are completely different from the word.
      3. carstorm 11 11 March 2020 03: 31 New
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        stupid things. if everything as you say would be like with Ukraine. football teams payroll and the like. but this is not. Does this surprise you? over 60000 people have passed through at least rotation there. PMCs I do not think and I do not advise you. all over the world their losses are hiding, and I think it’s wrong to consider them losses personally. they are not military. which means it’s not a loss but the death of civilians outside the Russian Federation.
    4. New Year day 10 March 2020 10: 28 New
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      Quote: maidan.izrailovich
      But then everything went wrong.

      forgot about the ravines. This is not the only miscalculation. Ukraine also overslept
    5. NEOZ 10 March 2020 13: 22 New
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      But then everything went wrong.

      What exactly went wrong?
      ps
      and in war something always goes wrong! and barbarossa went wrong, and the circle of Leningrad went wrong, and the circle of Moscow went wrong, and the counterattack near Moscow went wrong, and the battle of Rzhev went wrong, and the campaign for Baku oil went wrong ....
    6. Alex Nevs 10 March 2020 20: 41 New
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      Do you really think what stupid people are sitting in the Kremlin. laughing
  4. Donald72 10 March 2020 05: 56 New
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    As far as I understand, we have a small cantent there, precisely because Russia is only for the support of government troops and not for a full-scale war with the Taliban. And losing the war does not threaten us, since we are not a full-fledged side of the conflict. The withdrawal of troops without "glory" is possible, but it will not be a shame either. Since it is the Syrian army that will be defeated.
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      Donald72
      .... and not for a full-blown war with the Taliban.

      Are the Taliban in Syria? no
      Where does infa come from?
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        Do not judge strictly, just by the way had. lol No matter who the enemy is, he is not ours. laughing
    2. New Year day 10 March 2020 10: 29 New
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      Quote: Donald72
      we are not a full side of the conflict.

      why are our Buyers dying there?
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        Quote: Silvestr
        why are our Buyers dying there?

        Yes, there are many who die ... but this is not a reason!
    3. Cyrus 10 March 2020 11: 04 New
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      But no, it will be a huge political defeat.
    4. NordUral 10 March 2020 16: 19 New
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      The withdrawal of troops without "glory" is possible, but it will not be a shame either.

      This will be a defeat with far-reaching consequences.
  5. Retvizan 8 10 March 2020 06: 17 New
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    ... "Russia has no benefits from the" partnership "with Turkey, feeds the strategic and historical adversary" ....
    In my opinion, the conclusions of the article are controversial in some places, and sometimes contradictory.
    If Russia “feeds” Turkey and is not sickly, why should Turkey aggravate relations with it, at the risk of losing such decent economic benefits?
    Moreover, it is only in the inflamed brain that the idea can come that Russia in the event of a conflict with Turkey will rub off and tail curl will flee from Syria.
    In addition, neither Turkey, nor China, nor even the United States needs Syria under the Turks, and if Turkey gets into Syria with the war it will receive more headaches than benefits ...
    1. Essex62 10 March 2020 06: 34 New
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      She has already climbed in and the Sultan will solve his problems. I agree that he will not decide on an open declaration of war on the Russian Federation, but I also agree with the author - if the problems develop, they will be serious. The group’s potential is limited, the allies are combat-ready, but small in number.
    2. Leshy1975 10 March 2020 09: 48 New
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      Quote: Retvizan 8
      Moreover, neither Iran, nor China, nor even the United States needs Syria under the Turks

      And they are even less likely to let Iran build a Shiite bridge across Syria to Lebanon, to the borders of Israel. Keep this in mind too. hi
    3. Constanty 10 March 2020 11: 18 New
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      and Turkey, if it gets into Syria with the war, will get more headaches than benefits ...

      But Turkey has long entered Syria, and the only thing I don’t understand is that the military’s entry into the territory of another country was not considered as a cassus belli. All these “shields of the Euphrates” and other “operations” are nothing but aggression against another country.
      1. Krasnodar 10 March 2020 17: 57 New
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        Intervention
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          Intervention, Armed invasion (especially the struggle against the army of a legitimate state) are just euphemisms for the word aggression.
          No one allowed Turkey to intervene in another sovereign state. She did it herself; let him do it now without NATO.

          Although I consider Russia to be a stabilizing factor in Syria (and staying there at the request of the legitimate Syrian government), Turkey is an aggressor for me
          1. Krasnodar 10 March 2020 18: 43 New
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            Here you can escort in different ways - the Turks carry their own, Jews have their own, the Persians have their own interest, as well as in Russia. As for permission - it always, in such cases, happens de facto.
    4. NEOZ 10 March 2020 13: 26 New
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      Quote: Retvizan 8
      In my opinion, the conclusions of the article are controversial in some places, and sometimes contradictory.

      yes this article, continuous manipulation ....
    5. NordUral 10 March 2020 16: 20 New
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      Moreover, it is only in the inflamed brain that the idea can come that Russia in the event of a conflict with Turkey will rub off and tail curl will flee from Syria.
      Very controversial statement.
  6. Livonetc 10 March 2020 06: 28 New
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    Tsushima 2

    Rather, Sinop 2.
    In order not to violate historical traditions.
    1. Vladivostok1969 10 March 2020 10: 27 New
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      Where can I get Ushakov? What kind of Sinop is there. Yes, and from the fleet only "horns and legs" remained.
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        If Sinop, then Nakhimov ...
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          Guilty. I agree.
  7. Amateur 10 March 2020 06: 31 New
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    and without control of the flood zone, Moscow could lose everything at any time.

    Mr. Samsonov needs to start writing novels in the popular genre of “alternative history”. Reader success is guaranteed.
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      Reader success is guaranteed.

      Everyman success is guaranteed. yes Yes, please: already here the whole local camarilla trampled. fellow laughing
  8. samarin1969 10 March 2020 06: 53 New
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    The Tsushima analogy does not belong to the author. But the analogy is quite appropriate.
    It is unlikely that active hostilities in Idlib will continue. Neither the Russian Federation nor Turkey needs this.
  9. Pissarro 10 March 2020 06: 55 New
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    A pitiful Analytics than this is hard to imagine.
    For the sake of curiosity, I would like to ask the author of the opus, why Iran, which had provided serious assistance to Assad much earlier than us, and whose infantry was taking Serakib in the person of Hezbollah, should suddenly become neutral and surrender Assad to the Turks. The same Assad, who, like in the song: “I left the hut, went to fight, so that I could give the Sunni land to the Shiites,” really changes the confessional composition of entire regions, bringing the Barmaleans and their families to Idlib.

    This is just one caveat. Assad’s army needs a break, so they took the Sultan in the Kremlin and let off steam. What is common for everyone, the common task is to prevent a slide into a big war, the task of Assad is to control strategic routes to restore the economy, the task of Erdogan is to preserve the Barmeleev’s reserve and prevent the invasion of a new horde of rabies in Turkey by blowing away the marching horde into Europe. Iran's goal is logistics to the Mediterranean. So everyone needs a truce. Not the world. Since Idlib is doomed anyway, the barmaleas will not sit peacefully, they will not be fed then, so they will provoke sooner or later Rested Assad
    1. NordUral 10 March 2020 16: 22 New
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      In Munich, once also let off steam ...
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        Nothing in common, a fire was set up in Munich, making firewood
        1. NordUral 11 March 2020 09: 39 New
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          Now the same thing, matches and firewood in bulk, Pissarro.
  10. yuliatreb 10 March 2020 06: 55 New
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    What is the phrase - “Loses face”, as if Erdogan has nothing more to lose except his face, if he is frostbite and your article is prophetic then you are a nominee for the Booker Prize.
  11. Zaurbek 10 March 2020 06: 57 New
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    The author described the extreme scenario .. for the Turks, this is also not WWII, a local war. And it’s not the fact that they are ready to put large forces into this war. With losses. Nothing threatens the Turks as a state at any outcome.
  12. Alexey Sommer 10 March 2020 07: 08 New
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    You have to compare yuh with a finger! Tired of clickers!
    Today is not the beginning of the 20th century, and in the event of an attack on our group in Syria, no one will sit back. Immediately fly in the direction of Turkey, calibers, daggers and much more.
    After about 12 hours in Turkey there will be no light anywhere, not a single functioning airfield and many many other necessary things will stop working there.
    1. maidan.izrailovich 10 March 2020 07: 17 New
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      ... in the event of an attack on our group in Syria .....

      What do you think by attack to our group? Downed in the sky of Syria, the aircraft of the Russian aerospace forces is included in this concept?
      1. Alexey Sommer 10 March 2020 14: 26 New
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        What do you consider an attack on our group? Downed in the sky of Syria, the aircraft of the Russian aerospace forces is included in this concept?

        No. This is a massive blow with serious damage to the base, in fact, its failure as an integral system and large casualties.
      2. What about Korean Boeing? A carcass shot down by Ukraine? A downed Iranian "passenger" .....
    2. Essex62 10 March 2020 08: 16 New
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      Will an attack on our group be punished with a missile strike on Istanbul? Are you serious? This would not allow even the USSR. Missile attack the country of NATO, unleashing the third world. The hat is not enough to fill the whole pack rushing.
      1. flicker 10 March 2020 13: 37 New
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        Missile attack the country of NATO, unleashing the third world
        Which countries are NATO? What are you talking about? laughing
        There is the USA - a nuclear military power and there is Russia - also a nuclear military power. And no NATO countries for which the geldings were harnessed NET, from the word at all.
        Yes, these countries have territories that geldings use for their own purposes.
        If we bang Turkey, and today Turkey does not pose any serious military threat to us, then NATO countries (after the US team) will raise a terrible howl and that’s all.
        Another thing, we do not need a "walk field" in the place of Turkey. Moreover, we are, in principle, ready for the long-term economic cooperation with Turkey.
        But this is us. And how Turkey will behave is already a question for Turkey.
        Z.Y. As for some parallels, some Tsushim-2, this is all bullshit. bully
        1. Essex62 10 March 2020 14: 57 New
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          Blessed is he who believes. Eka to you, patriots, brainwashed. You ask your grandfather what price the Soviet people paid for the victory over the collective West as a last resort. Considering that not a small part of it helped us (as well as the possessed one, among other things), we still "easily got off." Half of the country is in ruins and under 30 million dead. Now everyone will rush, we’ll brush off the hell. There will be no allies. Even a couple of conditionally Polish tank regiments can swing a bowl. We'll have to lay the whole world. Bad perspective. We must somehow smarter, more rational. But do not allow impudence. But somehow Russia does not fit together under a capitulary white rag in sports, and Istanbul will be erased in caliber. Nurse.
          1. flicker 10 March 2020 15: 36 New
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            You ask your grandfather what price the Soviet people paid for the victory over the collective West
            And you ask the Jews what price they paid, while doing nothing? Like, the Germans are civilized, they will not touch us. Not touched?
            Erase Istanbul or not depends on Istanbul itself.
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          If we bang Turkey, and Turkey today does not pose for us any serious military threat ...

          I hope that you are not in the General Staff.
      2. Alexey Sommer 10 March 2020 14: 27 New
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        An attack on our group will be punished with a missile strike on Istanbul

        I did not write about Istanbul. But the infrastructure including Istanbul is unambiguous.
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          Is there a difference?
    3. KURT330 10 March 2020 08: 28 New
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      And NATO will see all this))
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        Quote: KURT330
        And NATO will see all this))

        Yes. Of course they will not be silent. Well, they threaten the maximum with a cam.
      2. flicker 10 March 2020 15: 40 New
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        And NATO will see all this))
        No, of course, Estonians, Lithuanians, Poles ... will rush to fight. bully
      3. Incvizitor 11 March 2020 02: 07 New
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        But NATO will die in the fire of nuclear war for the small town of the king, whom they clearly do not like?
    4. New Year day 10 March 2020 10: 31 New
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      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      once calibers, daggers and much more will fly towards Turkey.

      do not write nonsense. The foreign accounts of all our monopolies and the elite will be immediately arrested. There is still an embargo on oil products, as with Iran, remember? The best gift for the United States and not come up
      1. Alexey Sommer 10 March 2020 14: 37 New
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        Not everything is so gloomy. Iran hit US bases and got away with it. And if the Turks touch our base, we will answer .. And no one will harness for the Turks. Maximum will be a throat to scream yelling to the whole world.
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      You’ll excuse me, but it’s one thing to beat at the strongholds of terrorists (oppositionists), even if her military is present at these points, and another at Turkish military facilities on its territory. And this will already be an attack on the NATO country. How many missiles do ALL NATO countries need? Do you have information from the headquarters of the Turkish army and NATO that they will "swallow" it?
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        Quote: border
        Excuse me, but it’s one thing to beat the strongholds of terrorists (oppositionists),

        You read carefully. I’m not talking about simply bombing the Turks, but in the event that they presanay our base.
    6. flicker 10 March 2020 14: 06 New
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      in the event of an attack on our group in Syria, no one will sit back. Immediately fly in the direction of Turkey, calibers, daggers and much more.
      That's right, but many think linearly, or rather even straightforwardly: they say that a naval battle is a battle only of ships (as if there were no aviation, cruise missiles, coastal anti-ship systems, etc.).
      One hit of a hypersonic rocket from a kin to a meteorite fall. Like, the Turks will close our straits. This is possible only if we declare war, and if we declare war, it is still unknown whose straits will be bully
      But, I repeat, we seek to establish economic cooperation with Turkey. And what will the Turks do request
      1. Nehist 10 March 2020 15: 04 New
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        Gg amused! Yes, the Turks can block the strait simply by introducing quarantine in connection with the coronovirus, for two weeks or so. This will be enough so that our entire small group is left without resources.
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          Gg amused!
          Yeah, yeah, such an excuse, except that at school he’ll do it.
          We, with the same success, under the same pretext -
          in order to combat coronovirus, we will require the opening of straits.
          And for the sake of persuasiveness, we’ll alert a couple of Mobs with Daggers.
          1. Nehist 10 March 2020 16: 27 New
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            The fact is dear that the Turks already blocked the straits by introducing quarantine, and this was when the USSR was much more powerful than the current Russian Federation.
            1. flicker 10 March 2020 20: 49 New
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              That's something I do not remember such a fact.
              Well, I can assume that in peacetime, the Turks asked to be sympathetic to the temporary overlap. request
              But, if two states are on the verge of war, such a step will be perceived as hostile and will serve as a detonator of the war.
              In addition, now our army is much stronger than during the Union.
              There is no need for tank attacks or seizure of the territory, it is enough for the enemy to inflict unacceptable losses: air defense, about (if any) to disable airfields, ship bays, command centers, etc. etc. We now have such an opportunity. That is, we will minimize military potential. For Turkey, this situation will be catastrophic, the Kurds will intensify (and 25% of the Turkish population) the Syrian and Iraqi Kurds will rush to their aid - Turkey as a state will cease to exist.
              True, we have other plans in relation to Turkey - we want to attract them to joint economic projects.
              Once again, this is what we want ... and what Turkey wants there request
              1. Nehist 10 March 2020 21: 15 New
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                What? The army is stronger than during the Union? !! laughing You made me morning !!! Yes, if we only strike at the territory of Turkey, the US and NATO will intervene just for the sake of prestige. And then we will have to answer vigorously with a loaf and this is a zvizdets. In conventional types of weapons, NATO is many times superior to us and the economy does not allow us to wage war by conventional means. So a slaughter with the Turks in Syria is very possible ours under the guise of SAA Turks under the guise of barmaley (in principle, this has already happened)
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                  Yes, if we only strike at the territory of Turkey, the United States and NATO will intervene just for the sake of prestige.
                  You just do not talk about this with the NATO, do not scare them.
                  I already see how Estonians rushed to defend the Turks.
                  The United States will not even protect Israel from us, not to mention Turkey. Turkey for the United States is just a consumable, just like Israel.
                  The United States will rush to defend against us only itself, and not Turkey or Israel. bully
        2. But do the teams of our auxiliary vessels rest in Turkish port taverns ?!
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      And where are these glitches from, Alexey Sommer? Do not watch telly, the feeling of reality is lost.
  13. bar
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    Again, everything was gone, and Katz once again offers to give up? I understand spring, avitominosis, depression. But you still hold on, summer is coming.
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      Quote: bar
      I understand spring, avitominosis, depression. But you still hold on, summer is coming.

      And you have everything like a dragonfly, only the summer is over.
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        But we still have at least some faith in the future, unlike your sect of all-mutters with polymers and depresnyak. Our people won in the worst war because they believed in this victory. And Katz always suggested only surrender, they do not win with such moods.
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          Our people won in the worst war because they believed in this victory.
          The Soviet people won, but we are not a people - we are a population and the electorate is zombie. Someone woke up, someone comes out of a lethargic dream, but most are still under anesthesia and do not want to wake up.
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            we are not a people - we are a population and an electorate zombie

            Of course, you know better who you are, I will not argue here. It’s good that you don’t even speak for everyone.
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              Who am I, so I know. As I understand who you are.
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      Total -18. Did all the crawlers check in, or did someone else stay?
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        -21 point. Calculation is over? laughing
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    The meeting between Russian President V.V. Putin and Turkish President R. Erdogan did not bring any side of visible success. Each side remained of its own opinion, and further events in Syria will inevitably show the correctness of this conclusion.

    As always ... time will tell who won what and what, but for now ......
    1. Gardamir 10 March 2020 09: 28 New
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      And you were born yesterday? Time has already shown everything a hundred times. Well, Donbass wasn’t "leaked", only there they kill the Russians, and the Kremlin is calm.
      They are now not up to Syria, their oil has fallen in price ...
      1. rocket757 10 March 2020 09: 41 New
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        Okay, you weren’t born yesterday ...
        What do you have to offer?
        1. Okolotochny 10 March 2020 12: 44 New
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          He offers only one slogan.
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            Do you work in shifts? Golovan was, then paranoid, now you.
            Is there anything to say, or will you be so proud of yourself?
      2. Gardamir 10 March 2020 09: 51 New
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        What can I offer a person whose salary is 4,5 million per day?
        1. rocket757 10 March 2020 12: 48 New
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          So that person is clearly not living here, why "worry" for him here.
          1. Gardamir 10 March 2020 13: 06 New
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            I don’t worry about him. Our dialogue began with your words, a hundred time will tell, but I said that in such cases everything was leaked.
            1. rocket757 10 March 2020 13: 32 New
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              Without going deep.
              A simple question, what should we do?
              1. Gardamir 10 March 2020 14: 57 New
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                The maximum that can be done is not to go on April 22. Absenteeism is also a good tool.
                1. rocket757 10 March 2020 15: 05 New
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                  And what will it give?
                  Of course, there will be no-one candidate, but you can express your pf-e in the ballot.
                  Just not walking can become a final habit and this is not a plus at all.
                  Moreover, blank ballots are like a suggestion, blotting out what they need there ... is not an option, no better.
                  However, it’s for yourself, for yourself ....
              2. NordUral 10 March 2020 16: 34 New
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                Although I don’t have a question, I’ll fit in, Victor. This question is not at all simple, because what an abomination of the situation. No matter how you twist - everywhere a wedge. I am against, but not against, all amendments, and these offer us a hodgepodge. Vote for everything - bad, vote against - bad. If you go, it’s bad, you won’t go too rubbish.
                Moreover, this is not a referendum, but hell knows that, so approval or disapproval has already been adopted by these.
                1. rocket757 10 March 2020 18: 31 New
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                  Eugene soldier
                  We have NO representation, real, in any branches of government. That self-gathered party, serves the ruling, the class is all grabbing ... this is our problem and it has not formed today.
                  Therefore, no small speeches of ours, demarches, will change anything in principle ...
                  All current and future events will pass us by .... but so far we are FREE !!!
                  Conclusion ..... must be combined !!!
                  EVERYTHING, OTHER OPTIONS DOES NOT EXIST.
                  But at the elections and other empty, while, I go to events! So that habits would not be eliminated, neither I nor my wards .... the village, everything in sight, you can not set a bad example.
                  1. NordUral 10 March 2020 19: 27 New
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                    Conclusion ..... must be combined !!!
                    EVERYTHING, OTHER OPTIONS DOES NOT EXIST.
                    But at the elections and other empty, while, I go to events!

                    Victor! They are empty until the people are turned off and do not go to the polls - the majority, or vote for these.
                    I vote only for several years. But I urge everyone whom I can convince or at least convince that it is necessary to go and vote. But so far with this.
  15. Sergey_33 10 March 2020 07: 29 New
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    Quote: maidan.izrailovich
    ... in the event of an attack on our group in Syria .....

    What do you think by attack to our group? Downed in the sky of Syria, the aircraft of the Russian aerospace forces is included in this concept?

    And 22 Turkish pilots who have landed in Ankara in the wrong minibus and are now having fun with the guri? winked
    1. Essex62 10 March 2020 08: 21 New
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      Which minibus, where did you board? More?
    2. Insurgent 10 March 2020 11: 34 New
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      Quote: Sergey_33
      And 22 Turkish pilots who have landed in Ankara in the wrong minibus and are now having fun with the guri?

      Ahh, these ...
      So Erdogan himself disposed of them, for supporting the coup against him ...
  16. Black Colonel 10 March 2020 07: 42 New
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    "... and further events in Syria will inevitably show the correctness of this conclusion."
    The author, however, is self-confident of his prophecies.
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      Quote: Black Colonel
      The author, however, is self-confident of his prophecies.

      As befits a proto-hyperborean, - so that's all right. yes wassat
  17. Khoja Nasredin 10 March 2020 07: 46 New
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    The correct comment. One thing I know, Israel is not an enemy of Russia and, in the right scenario, will help the Russians roll the Turks to zero. And NATO will not help. For us, Russia and Assad are better than Ottomans and Persians.
    1. Essex62 10 March 2020 08: 20 New
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      That's what you Syrians iron from the sky and substitutes our planes. Nightmare Israel is a military ally of the Russian Federation.
    2. Insurgent 10 March 2020 08: 25 New
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      Quote: Khoja Nasredin
      One thing I know, Israel is not an enemy of Russia

      What is more embarrassing is that Israel is not a friend of Syria, which is especially expressed in the IDF air raids on the ATS.
      What is especially disgusting and disgusting, against the background of a bloody struggle of the Syrians against Turkey and its mercenaries.
      1. Pissarro 10 March 2020 09: 07 New
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        Well, in the east, if two fight, the third is supposed to stab someone in the back. Cultural traditions are)
        1. Insurgent 10 March 2020 09: 14 New
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          Quote: Pissarro
          Well, in the east, if two fight, the third is supposed to stab someone in the back.

          Wow!
          But it should also be noted that Israel is well aware that in the fight against Turkey, thanks to the support of Russia, the ATS will stand, and the Jewish state will not face nose to nose with its old "friends", Ottomans at its borders.
          Shitting, slowly, trying to weaken the SAA and Hezbollah ...
      2. Constanty 10 March 2020 11: 24 New
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        Formally, Israel has been at war with Syria for many years, so it is not surprising that they are bombing - but the target is mainly the pro-Iranian police, not the SAA.
        1. Insurgent 10 March 2020 11: 31 New
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          Quote: Constanty
          Formally, Israel has been at war with Syria for many years

          Formally, Russia and Japan have something, but not settled.
          So, let's hit Japan?
          1. BREAKTHROUGH READY 10 March 2020 11: 40 New
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            It would have been hit long ago, had the opportunity to do so with impunity.
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              Quote: BREAKTHROUGH READY
              It would have been hit long ago, had the opportunity to do so with impunity.

              So, in relation to Syria, does Israel need to be punished once so that it would not be desirable anymore?
              1. BREAKTHROUGH READY 10 March 2020 11: 45 New
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                So, in relation to Syria, does Israel need to be punished once so that it would not be desirable anymore?
                "He will eat something, but who will give him?"
                There is no one to punish, and he does what he wants for 50 years in a row.
          2. Constanty 10 March 2020 11: 47 New
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            Technically true, but there are big differences. Japan capitulated and signed a ceasefire - a peace treaty that ended the war was not officially signed. Nobody beats anyone.

            In the case of Syria and Israel, there is still a war going on - not open and full-blown, but from time to time there were clashes or air attacks - and I'm not only talking about the recent period of the collapse of Syrian statehood
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      Israel is not an enemy of Russia and, in the right scenario, will help the Russians roll out the Turks

      I’ve been living for a long time, but I don’t remember a single case when Israel helped anyone other than her beloved.
  18. Sergey_33 10 March 2020 08: 23 New
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    Quote: Essex62
    Which minibus, where did you board? More?

    17.02.2016 Ankara. Google to the rescue
    1. Octopus 10 March 2020 08: 38 New
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      Quote: Sergey_33
      17.02.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX Ankara

      I understand you correctly that you hold Russia responsible for allegedly Kurdish terrorism? This is an interesting thought.
      1. Pissarro 10 March 2020 09: 09 New
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        This is a potential Card that can be played in a big fight. They don’t use her in a small fight
  19. BAI
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    As a result, we can see either the inglorious withdrawal of Russian troops from Syria, or a new Russian-Turkish war.

    Neither one nor the other will be. But what about the Russian matrix? She is invincible.
  20. Vsevolod Sidorov 10 March 2020 08: 37 New
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    at least the name of the author of the Samsons, but he is a pure Pole. Why not a Ukrainian? who will ask ...
    Because the Ukrainian cannot shit unnoticed, he will surely smear everything around and himself.
    But the Pole will die so that even having stepped on, you won’t understand ...
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      Quote: Vsevolod Sidorov
      at least the name of the author of the Samsons, but he is a pure Pole. Why not a Ukrainian? who will ask ...
      Because the Ukrainian cannot shit unnoticed, he will surely smear everything around and himself.
      But the Pole will die so that even having stepped on, you won’t understand ...

      Oh and dirty you are a citizen. I would even put it more strongly, but the rules of the site do not allow. And all your thinking is just within
      shit like that
      and your development at the level of primitive, no more. Not only that, they hung a label on a person, and was accused of a “terrible crime” - it is possible that he is a Pole. So also two nationalities were smeared in any substance at once, without any particular differences, who exactly, what individual person is responsible for what.
      Isn’t you ashamed, dear citizen, of those millions, Urains by nationality, who gave their lives in the Second World War, that something like you would now have the opportunity
      shit quietly
      and on them all including.

      PS you are pathologically, this is clear from your commentary, you don’t like Ukrainians and Poles (although the list probably doesn’t end there), and Hitler treated Jews, Slavs, and Gypsies in a similar way. And how do you differ from Hitler? Yes, only a list of nationalities to which you have contempt.
      A slight difference.
      1. Constanty 10 March 2020 11: 52 New
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        Thanks for this comment. Respectfully, a Pole, a Slav.
  21. Stirbjorn 10 March 2020 08: 56 New
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    Russia has no benefits from a “partnership” with Turkey, and feeds a strategic and historical adversary. The “Turkish stream” brought only losses, its prospects in the current conditions are very vague.
    How does it not have ?! A nuclear power plant, tourism is the same, S-400. So in the future you can add the Su-35, MS-21, Superjet, our helicopters. Turkey is one of the few solvent countries that needs our high-tech products, in the light of graters with the West. This is especially true now, in desperate attempts to get our economy off the raw material needle.
  22. Jarserge 10 March 2020 09: 01 New
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    It is necessary to be able to give out such opuses. Both Tsushima and the Russo-Turkish War were mixed "in a heap" .. the author of course "well done" Such writings can satisfy unicellular shkolota. I don’t know from such an analysis and forecast either cry or laugh. Crying because the author has the right to publish his "creations", to laugh at the discovery of a new "analyst" or a genre of humorous military political science
    1. Gardamir 10 March 2020 09: 33 New
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      You spat in the author, but where is your analytics, at least a paragraph.
      1. Jarserge 10 March 2020 10: 55 New
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        Do you need to disassemble this opus into its component parts? I explain - Turkey is mired in both internal and external problems. Internal - this is a fall in economic indicators, this is an attempt at a failed coup, the "sprouts" of which Erdogan could not remove, and he will not be able to without losing the quality of the armed forces. This is the conduct of hostilities in more than four places, including the territory of Turkey itself. These are tense (to put it mildly) relations with all absolutely neighbors and with NATO countries. (Turkey is already running out of ammunition for some NATO weapons systems, read Turkey’s requests to the USA) Turkey just didn’t have enough time to get into a direct conflict with Russia. Read the Turkish newspapers about the military losses, especially not the capital .. And the author forgets that Russia has a nuclear missile power and, accordingly, any, any politician and head of state is simply obliged to keep in mind the probability of imminent retaliation for military adventures. By the way, what Putin repeatedly emphasized in his speeches. And then there’s babble about Russian-Turkish wars and Tsushima. The author should be more responsible when writing at least pseudo-analytical articles, analyze more sources of information and serious and not such ones .... we get a potential “Crimean scenario” (Crimean War 1853 -1856) or “Tsushima 2 .......” This is generally about what and where is the logical connection?
        1. uhu189 10 March 2020 14: 34 New
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          The author believes that Russia will not be able to strike at Turkish troops and objects that are located on Turkish territory itself, otherwise it will use the mechanisms of collective defense of NATO countries from external aggression. In order to legally go beyond the scope of this article, clashes, if any, are possible outside of Turkey. Accordingly, if something happens, it will be in Syria, but for us it is really a remote theater with very limited possibilities for supplying it. And it was in this vein that the article was written. Another question is whether all the factors were taken into account by the author in the analysis? Indeed, in addition to the purely military, there are other levers of influence on Turkey. And to reduce everything to the balance of ground forces and aircraft in the realities of the modern world is also not right.
  23. 7,62h54 10 March 2020 09: 02 New
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    Alarmists to the wall. We won’t even get up from the IKEA sofa. We’ll just throw the caps over the enemy, in his own territory.
    1. Kisa 11 March 2020 01: 38 New
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      The trip to Syria is ending. The personnel officer and the political officer write submissions to the awards.
      -Comrade Colonel I write that you personally destroyed 200 militants in battle.
      Zampolit smoking a cigarette and looking at the ceiling:
      - write 300 neh @ th to feel sorry for them
  24. Alsur 10 March 2020 09: 05 New
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    Quote: maidan.izrailovich
    ....he said...

    Twenty five again. It still doesn’t reach you .... Yes, spit what Erdogan said. Much more important is what he does in fact.
    ... pretty modest possibilities. he is allowed to save face ....

    Nevertheless, he does not think of leaving Syria anywhere. Moreover, it is expanding the grouping.
    And, as for its capabilities, do not rush to bury Turkey. The Anglo-Saxons have not yet properly connected to this topic. Either they are waiting for Edik to crawl to their knees with an apology, or they are waiting for a convenient moment to change him all the same. And then the Turkish army will receive everything necessary for the war. In any case, the war in Syria will not end so quickly.

    Correctly they write to you, Erdogan said that he would reach Damascus if Assad did not withdraw troops from the Idlib zone. Assad did not withdraw; Damascus was not taken by Turkish troops. He did nothing out of his threats.
  25. Alsur 10 March 2020 09: 10 New
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    Quote: Oil on 100
    Perhaps we ourselves will have to leave Syria.

    If oil on the world market continues to fall, then at some point we will not be able to pull the Syrian Express.

    It will become expensive and not for us, when domestic social obligations dominate the international image of tough guys.

    It is difficult to say how expensive the Syrian company is now. But training the flight personnel, in conditions close to combat, the same training of other branches of the army and representatives of military specialties is also expensive, and the army should be in good shape, otherwise at hour H, it turns out that we do not have an army, but an organization for receiving salaries, and when it smells fried, half will quit, and the second will not be able to do anything in a combat situation.
  26. Alex Russia 10 March 2020 09: 13 New
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    The situation in Syria is the calm before the storm, a new clash with the Turks is inevitable, and I think everyone perfectly understands this. Russia is not up to Syria now, we have a lot of problems ourselves and the Turks know this, and therefore they are building up their military forces in Syria. The author is right that the Turks have huge ambitions to create a new formation of the Ottoman Empire, and this is manifested in its extremely aggressive policy of recent years on almost all "fronts", Turkey feels strength and impudent, in the end, everything will return to square one, and Turkey it will again openly quarrel with Russia, and not only in Syria, as it has always been historically, and by virtue of all this, all that short-sighted and wrecking policy that our leaders have been pursuing over these past years will be visible
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      Turkey feels strength and impudent, in the end, everything will return to square one
      And why did you come to negotiate in Moscow?
  27. Sergey_33 10 March 2020 09: 23 New
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    Quote: Octopus
    Quote: Sergey_33
    17.02.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX Ankara

    I understand you correctly that you hold Russia responsible for allegedly Kurdish terrorism? This is an interesting thought.

    What kind of Kurdish terrorism are we talking about? There is a moderate Kurdish opposition struggling with global warming. And absolutely by accident, they heard in the queue for shawarma, the Kurds got information about the shuttle bus timetable .. And then, according to the precepts of Greta Gunberg, 22 pilots stopped spoiling the ecology of the planet.
    Threat about responsibility .. Do I hold Turkey responsible for terrorism in the Russian Federation? After all, barmaleys from gangs of formations from the Caucasus, take purely sun baths in Turkish resorts ..
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      There is a moderate Kurdish opposition fighting global warming

      Yes. But for some reason you connect this incident with a downed pilot.
  28. karpukhin 10 March 2020 09: 35 New
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    Russia is not in danger. Damn how many Pentagon storytellers.
  29. Sergey_33 10 March 2020 09: 37 New
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    Quote: ALSur
    Quote: Oil on 100
    Perhaps we ourselves will have to leave Syria.

    If oil on the world market continues to fall, then at some point we will not be able to pull the Syrian Express.

    It will become expensive and not for us, when domestic social obligations dominate the international image of tough guys.

    It is difficult to say how expensive the Syrian company is now. [b] But the training of flight personnel, in conditions close to combat, the same training of other branches of the army and representatives of military specialties is also expensive [/ b] and the army should be in good shape, otherwise at hour H, it turns out that we have not an army, but an organization for receiving salaries, and when it smells fried, half will quit, and the second will not be able to do anything in a combat situation.

    Maybe not close to fighting but still fighting?
  30. Yrec 10 March 2020 09: 39 New
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    Quote: Michael_59
    Quote: Hunter 2

    Direct Fighting Against Russia - This is the Apocalypse


    Uncle, wake up - you are ... that ...
    And about the "apocalypse" - tell relatives and colleagues of Lt. Col. Peshkov.

    The death of Peshkov is a tragedy. Do you think that it was necessary to unleash a full-scale war with the Turks with thousands of casualties because of this? Dozens of Russians die in resorts in Turkey every year for one reason or another, can it hit Turkey for that? Do you think that it is necessary to exchange the life of one or several military men (professional, by the way, whose job is to fight and die) for a real war? Turks are the same people as everyone else, the vast majority of them are not to blame for the death of our military. To wish them death is ordinary fascism.
  31. Python 57 10 March 2020 09: 39 New
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    And with the defense of the northern, Black Sea coast near Erdogan is everything all right? And with Ankara missile defense too? Which clever man decided that a potential war would certainly be limited to the Syrian theater? And why did they suddenly decide that someone is protecting Israel? They have to capitalize all those who pose a threat in bulk, the usual type of activity.
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      Has our General Staff already aimed at Ankara? And about our Black Sea Fleet in comparison with the Turkish, do you even know? Do you have any thoughts on the transfer of the Middle East theater to the territory of Turkey? laughing
  32. Ham
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    Well, of course ... the couch special forces began military operations) and Tsushima and the Crimean War - all the horror stories pulled the light of day ...
    bored girls
    1. Paranoid50 10 March 2020 12: 12 New
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      bored girls

      This is boring for you. And the “girls” now have the most gon. yes
      The hysteria has not abated for the second week — the tourniquet, heartfelt. fellow
  33. Sergey_33 10 March 2020 09: 54 New
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    Quote: Octopus
    Quote: Sergey_33
    There is a moderate Kurdish opposition fighting global warming

    Yes. But for some reason you connect this incident with a downed pilot.

    Probably the talker who leaked the info was slapped by a strict worker? what
  34. Finn 10 March 2020 10: 10 New
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    So that is the reason for the threat of a clash between Turks and Russians in Syria, the fear of a perdogan to lose face. It is necessary to eliminate this face and there is no problem.
  35. Sergey_33 10 March 2020 10: 15 New
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    Quote: Finn
    So that is the reason for the threat of a clash between Turks and Russians in Syria, the fear of a perdogan to lose face. It is necessary to eliminate this face and there is no problem.

    Why produce national heroes?
  36. The Sparkle 10 March 2020 10: 26 New
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    The whole point of the article: "(p.) Katz offers to surrender." But this does not apply to real analytics in any way.))
  37. chenia 10 March 2020 10: 33 New
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    Fucked Assad this viper (there sympathizing with him there is no one, only scumbags). Defeat as much as possible, with the creation of a buffer zone, give autonomy to the Kurds and begin rebuilding the country.
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    The author did not think about the fact that if a conflict happened with Turkey, they would not beat her from Syria?
    1. Pissarro 10 March 2020 12: 40 New
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      This is difficult for the author. Also, if there was a real conflict with Turkey, Turkey will not have an economy at once. No tourists, no tomatoes, no gas, no oil. Only new hordes of rabies guests. And all the neighbors love Turkey, not only Assad, but also the Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, and Jews. And even Europe with America. Just a fabulous love for Erdogan from all sides. Moreover, he himself is the author of his song and, apart from upholstering the thresholds of the Kremlin, he has no choice but the Kremlin knows
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    1. Pissarro 10 March 2020 12: 05 New
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      You do not like the presence of Russian as the only state language? Are you proposing to learn Tatar throughout Russia? All other languages ​​are protected.
      1. YuryPVO 10 March 2020 12: 11 New
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        I do not like the wording. Russian should be the state language and the language of interethnic communication. And not nationally or as suggested there. The Russian Federation is a multinational state and the division into national republics, laid down by Stalin, has come back to us.
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          The Russian Federation (Russia) is a multinational state “with a sharp predominance of one nation in the presence of more or less significant national minorities”, moreover, separated into autonomous entities. Then we have Russian, Russian and Russian. Language defines consciousness. Or beat laughing
  40. nikolaj1703 10 March 2020 12: 09 New
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    What does he smoke?
  41. Hyperborean 10 March 2020 12: 14 New
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    In the light of current global events, all this will end within a year. So it’s not so long to wait.
  42. Dog
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    Russian power and people receive nothing from Syria

    The state (senior glor. Drzhava - power) is a symbol of the monarch’s state power, which was a golden ball with a crown or cross.
    (Wiki)



    And if the author had in mind a power as a state, then in general a strange thought came to him. Our Security Council, you see, is more stupid than the author - he sent troops, but does not know why.
    1. Dog
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      Russian power and people receive nothing from Syria

      I wonder what the author himself planned to receive from Syria back in 2012, offering Syria to enter the Union State with us?
      Quote: Skill
      There is another way to save Syria: to offer Syria to join the Union State of Russia and Belarus
  43. Radikal 10 March 2020 12: 27 New
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    Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
    Yeah, the Turks in Syria want to unleash the war with Russia exclusively ... they (the Turks) have no problems, and they don’t depend on Russia at all

    Dear Vasya with the "brains" read carefully:
    Turks are not going to fight with Russia, at least not yet. And Russia is definitely not only not going to fight the Turks, our guarantor, in principle, is not going to fight with anyone at all. Even though he has enough brains. Russia will not pull any war now, except nuclear.
    All that the Turks want is to drive Russia out of Syria, pile on Assad, and at the same time get hold of the territory with oil. Fortunately, we have already built a stream for Erdogan. Russia is no longer needed.
    Is it clear now.
    Think with your head and watch less Kiselyov, Solovyov and the TV channel "Star".

    good yes yes yes Respect! hi
  44. Radikal 10 March 2020 12: 56 New
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    Quote: Pissarro
    ... The same Assad, who, like in the song: “I left the hut, went to fight, to give the Sunni land to the Shiites,” really changes the confessional composition of entire regions, bringing the Barmaleans and their families to Idlib.
    This was not the decision of Assad, but of the Kremlin “advisers,” even then it was obvious that an abscess would form, which would eventually burst. And so it happened. sad
    By the way, do you happen to have any relation to these "advisers"? lol
    1. Pissarro 11 March 2020 02: 03 New
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      It was obvious to me that it was precisely Sunni terrorists that were the abscess. No matter how cynical it sounds, but the Shiites inside Russia will not be able to send emissaries and balamute the Sunni population of Russia, we have millions of them, but we don’t have Shiites, only Azerbaijanis. Therefore, put at the right time on the necessary forces and the rate has already paid off handsomely.

      And even purely from moral principles, the support of a secular state against religious medieval obscurantism is already sufficient reason to support Assad
  45. Prjanik 10 March 2020 13: 07 New
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    What Russian-Turkish war, what Tsushima, the author did not depart from the holidays?)))
  46. KARAKURT15 10 March 2020 13: 33 New
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    A pitiful Analytics than this is hard to imagine.
    For the sake of curiosity, I would like to ask the author of the opus, why Iran, which had provided serious assistance to Assad much earlier than us, and whose infantry was taking Serakib in the person of Hezbollah, should suddenly become neutral and surrender Assad to the Turks. The same Assad, who, like in the song: “I left the hut, went to fight, so that I could give the Sunni land to the Shiites,” really changes the confessional composition of entire regions, bringing the Barmaleans and their families to Idlib.

    And why did the very Iran offer Erdogan separate negotiations bypassing Russia?
    1. Pissarro 11 March 2020 01: 57 New
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      Because he did not offer, fake news)
      Iran did not recommend touching its proxies west of Aleppo and they were not touched anymore.
  47. Moreno 10 March 2020 13: 52 New
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    Erdogan understands everything perfectly. The partners want, well, very much, to push their foreheads, two of those who can something in this world.
  48. 4UMA 10 March 2020 13: 56 New
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    Finally, it happened - the ruble brought down the dollar !!!
  49. Valentin spagis 10 March 2020 14: 15 New
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    Russia in Syria is not at war with anyone. It helps Syria repel terrorist attacks. If Syria is defeated somewhere, then Russia has nothing to do with it. There is a demand for it, only that it helped poorly. But this is purely rhetorical.
    1. Kronos 10 March 2020 14: 25 New
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      If there is a loss, then war is on.
  50. uhu189 10 March 2020 14: 21 New
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    If there weren’t any hidden but significant arguments, Erdogan would not be forced to recognize the real front line in the negotiations. So there are some effective arguments in the arsenal, in addition to controlling the straits, which do not allow him to implement his plans in full. I think in the next round of confrontation, they will not disappear