84 people will demand monetary compensation: trial in case MH17 has begun


The Hague District Court opened a hearing on the accident of the Boeing-777 passenger plane, which occurred on July 17, 2014 in the sky over the Donbass.


At the hearing, presented the judges who will be involved in the verdict. Hendrick Steenhays chairs the trial. He said that 49 relatives of the victims wanted to speak out in court. Another 82 people will make written statements, and 84 relatives of the victims of the disaster will require monetary compensation. These figures are not final, because not all relatives of the dead have decided what they will do.

Four suspects in the case are absent. These are three citizens of the Russian Federation and one holder of a passport of a citizen of Ukraine.

Hearings are held at the Schiphol complex in The Hague. The venue is heavily guarded.

At the first stage of the consideration of the case, procedural issues will be resolved. The process itself can take several years. Many experts are almost sure of this, taking into account how much time the investigation took.

Earlier, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky thanked the specialists of the International Investigation Team for their work in collecting evidence in the case. He expressed the hope that the court decision would be fair, and that those responsible for the death of 298 passengers and crew members of the liner would be deservedly punished.
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  1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 16: 10 New
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    The process will obviously have a political connotation. Experience shows that Russia will be to blame on the principle: "You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat" (c)
    1. 210ox 9 March 2020 16: 23 New
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      I think we should organize a counterclaim on the fact of falsification. Investigate and judge these ... who are in The Hague.
      1. Basil50 9 March 2020 16: 31 New
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        You are right .. There are already all the roles painted. It is very interesting and what can relatives say about how this same Boeing was shot down?
        In Europe, jurisprudence has centuries of experience * administering justice *, a lot of things have been invented to make the NECESSARY decision, while always with confidence in their own infallibility.
        1. helmi8 9 March 2020 16: 56 New
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          Quote: Vasily50
          In Europe, jurisprudence has centuries of experience * administering justice *, there are many things that have been invented to make the NEED decision

          Fair justice is not fair for everyone ... ©
          1. Vita vko 9 March 2020 22: 24 New
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            More than one volume of the White Book has already been written about the crimes of Bandera and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. After another shelling, a new criminal case is opened every week. Mass shooting of people on the Maidan in 2014, burned alive in Odessa, thousands of civilians killed in shelling of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Donbass. When will the trials begin? Why is everyone silent about this? Even the killer of Russian journalists Savchenko was returned to his homeland. What kind of justice and legality can we talk about? That's why the Hague is judging Russia, and the rest are stupidly trolling.
        2. sen
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          Witnesses must have been fabricated by Ukraine.
      2. figwam 9 March 2020 16: 37 New
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        Exposing chairs only confirms that there is no evidence, you have to resort to installations and suggestion.
      3. Observer2014 9 March 2020 16: 45 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        I think we should organize a counterclaim on the fact of falsification. Investigate and judge these ... who are in The Hague.

        Dima, in your village you can start right now. Collect gathering. Write a letter to Chamberlain Wait for an answer.
      4. ZAV69 9 March 2020 17: 38 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        Investigate and judge these ... who are in The Hague.

        And carry out the sentence.
        1. 210ox 9 March 2020 17: 41 New
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          Well, at one time they brought. To an ice ax, to whom it’s an elementary bullet .. Here are the Bulgarians with East Germans who were entertainers .. Poisons, an injection with an umbrella.
          1. Aviator_ 9 March 2020 17: 59 New
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            Well, Bandera themselves dealt with, without the Bulgarians, the East Germans. And Konovalets, thanks to Sudoplatov, threw out his brains, did not even have time to bite the candy.
          2. Aerodrome 9 March 2020 18: 01 New
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            Quote: 210ox
            Well, at one time they brought. To an ice ax, to whom it’s an elementary bullet .. Here are the Bulgarians with East Germans who were entertainers .. Poisons, an injection with an umbrella.

            Well, "ice ax" is ours ... we are always on the result. winked
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            1. Galina schreder 9 March 2020 18: 48 New
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              What do you care about in Ukraine ?? For Ukraine, there is no difference, Putin or Shoigu. Now, if Zhirinovsky, then it would be clear why they were so excited. Well, as for this big top with the court, this farce is not interesting, if the court does not have the ability to execute its verdict, then this is not a court, but a show.
            2. 210ox 9 March 2020 18: 53 New
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              What makes you think that I am for retirement genocide? And I'm not a supporter of edra. In general, I go to the polls regularly and vote against everyone. I don’t see worthy people there. People know my position. Yes, and the "village" by Russian standards is large-17 thousand population.
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      5. Aerodrome 9 March 2020 17: 51 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        Investigate and judge these ... who are in The Hague.

        the supreme measure is writhing ...
        1. Catholic 9 March 2020 17: 58 New
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          Quote: Aerodrome
          the highest measure is koryachivaetsya ..

          It’s even a pity that these Hague judges will not ... Instead of punishing the real culprits of the tragedy, they are engaged in political provocations against our country.
          1. Aerodrome 9 March 2020 17: 59 New
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            Quote: Catholic
            they are engaged in political provocations against our country.

            only the lazy does not.
      6. private person 9 March 2020 20: 05 New
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        I think we should organize a counterclaim on the fact of falsification

        Do you really think that something can be organized? How many years have passed, and things are still there, the perpetrators are appointed. And the victims have someone to demand compensation.
      7. Den717 10 March 2020 06: 09 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        Investigate and judge these ... who are in The Hague.

        The idea is wonderful, but in what court should they be judged? The Hague hosts an international trial. This means that the proposed court should be at least as an equally legitimate court. Where is that? Unfortunately, in the current situation, he is only divine, and only the heir to Mercader can be a bailiff there. IMHO
      8. Non liberoid Russian 10 March 2020 06: 29 New
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        judge in the Bauman court?))))
    2. Starover_Z 9 March 2020 16: 32 New
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      Quote: Honest Citizen
      The process will obviously have a political connotation. Experience shows that Russia will be to blame on the principle: "You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat" (c)

      That's for sure ! It is written how
      Four suspects in the case are absent. These are three citizens of the Russian Federation and one holder of a passport of a citizen of Ukraine.

      As from Russia, then a citizen, but as from Ukraine, then "passport holder"!
      1. 13-90 9 March 2020 17: 01 New
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        As from Russia, then a citizen, but as from Ukraine, then "passport holder"!

        This is a free translation.
        1. not main 9 March 2020 23: 05 New
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          Quote: 13-90
          As from Russia, then a citizen, but as from Ukraine, then "passport holder"!

          This is a free translation.

          Is it really so "free"?
    3. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 16: 45 New
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      Quote: Honest Citizen
      "You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat" (c)

      And their appetite is dimensionless.
      1. Dmitry Donskoy 9 March 2020 17: 08 New
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        5 years of investigation, the court itself will go on the same amount. In short, everything is in Dutch (with breaks for a smoke break). lol
        1. Aviator_ 9 March 2020 18: 03 New
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          It’s interesting, but if the court were Estonian, would it last longer or not?
          1. notingem 10 March 2020 00: 26 New
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            It would not have started.
    4. Prisoner 9 March 2020 17: 59 New
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      No matter how Russia wants to have a bite, then they and their judge will be very uncomfortable.
    5. Cananecat 9 March 2020 22: 47 New
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      From the news from Mile "All missiles, the engine of which the Dutch commission for the investigation of the crash of MH17 demonstrated, were disposed of after 2011, the Russian Ministry of Defense said"
      In this connection, the question is ... and how did the disposal take place, if even numbers were punched in the Ministry of Defense according to documents? And was it possible to buy identifiable parts of missiles, which would then be presented as "material evidence"?
  2. Smart 9 March 2020 16: 13 New
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    And this is surprising, if they are sentenced to pay Russia, then not a single amendment to the constitution about the primacy of our right over international will save us here ...
    But if it were the lawsuits of our citizens in international instances, then yes, then this amendment will just work ...
    Not to Russian citizens - anything by decision of international courts.
    Citizens of Russia - take a bite to bite, although they may oblige them to forced labor.
    1. Same lech 9 March 2020 16: 24 New
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      I wonder who will pay the Wishlist of the Dutch court?
      1. Sky strike fighter 9 March 2020 16: 26 New
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        Ukraine shot down, even if it pays.
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          1. Barmaleyka 9 March 2020 17: 06 New
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            Quote: 13-90
            You made seven mistakes in the word "DPR".

            and you were mistaken with the address, by the way, what do we have with the rocket engine number there ?!
            1. 13-90 9 March 2020 17: 11 New
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              By the way, what do we have with the rocket engine number? !!!

              The same as with the controller Carlos, the pilot Voloshin and with the satellite image of the Su-27.
              1. Barmaleyka 9 March 2020 17: 19 New
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                I don’t remember that somewhere the investigation was talking about dispatchers and airplanes, I don’t remember the Russian Ministry of Defense talking about it, but the fact that the investigation OFFICIALLY declared the presence of the engine number is legal as well as the fact that this engine was located on UKRAINIAN rocket
                1. notingem 10 March 2020 00: 34 New
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                  They do not care about the facts. RUSSIA is to blame. The Dutch have their favorite movie "Hedgehog in the Fog"
          2. Sky strike fighter 9 March 2020 19: 26 New
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            Quote: 13-90
            Ukraine shot down, even if it pays.

            You made seven mistakes in the word "DPR".

            That is, you acknowledge that Ukraine is one big mistake and should be the DNI?
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      2. AlexVas44 9 March 2020 16: 31 New
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        It may very well be that it will be you, me, and all the other Russians. laughing
        1. Same lech 9 March 2020 16: 57 New
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          It may very well be you

          Nah ... certainly it will not be me ... if the representatives of the Dutch court come forward to me with their demands ... except for kicks in the ass from me they won’t get anything. smile
      3. Smart 9 March 2020 16: 36 New
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        You still have to compensate the state for a stronger dollar and sagging oil.
        Well, not with direct payments and taxes, but with inflation and rising prices ...
        1. Same lech 9 March 2020 17: 15 New
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          You still have to compensate the state for a stronger dollar and sagging oil.

          Well, I didn’t dream about how))).
      4. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 16: 48 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        I wonder who will pay the Wishlist of the Dutch court?

        Well, these guys will try to blame both people and the country, and will try to squeeze as much as possible. The main thing they blame, not prove.
      5. However, dear 9 March 2020 21: 48 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        I wonder who will pay the Wishlist of the Dutch court?


        Russian taxpayer. Through sanctions, confiscation of property.
    2. Den717 10 March 2020 06: 13 New
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      And this is surprising, if they are sentenced to pay Russia, then not a single amendment to the constitution about the primacy of our right over international will save us here ...

      We, I think, do not recognize this decision and will not pay anything on it. Attempts to seize assets will aggravate relations. Whether the Europeans will do this is not a fact. There is not much left until the court decision, a few years .... we'll see.
  3. knn54 9 March 2020 16: 29 New
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    There is no Russia in the judicial investigation, but there is no representative of Malaysia, whose plane was shot down.
    1. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 16: 50 New
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      Quote: knn54
      There is no Russia in the judicial investigation, but there is no representative of Malaysia, whose plane was shot down.

      For them, they do not need anyone but themselves, whom they have appointed, they accuse him. The principle is the same as in organized crime groups.
      1. However, dear 9 March 2020 21: 58 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        For them, they do not need anyone but themselves, whom they have appointed, they accuse him.


        To appoint and blame 5+ years of investigation is not required. The show is grandiose. No wonder they prepared so much. Popcorn, then! smile
        1. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 21: 59 New
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          Quote: However, dear
          To appoint and blame 5+ years of investigation is not required. The show is grandiose. No wonder they prepared so much.

          Well, who else doubted that?
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    1. Same lech 9 March 2020 16: 54 New
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      will have to pay, and better BEFORE a referendum on amendments to the constitution

      Start ... pay from your pocket. smile
      1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 17: 10 New
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        Alex.
        The sad thing is that if awarded, you will have to pay. For some reason, Russia does not protect its rights in the international arena. WADA and IOC - paid. PACE - paid.
        Sad precedents, alas, are.
        1. Same lech 9 March 2020 17: 21 New
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          Alex.
          The sad thing is that if awarded, you will have to pay.

          Honest Citizen you so want to pay pay out of your pocket ... and if someone gets into my pocket he will get resistance in various forms ... well, for example, if they are edros, then I will vote against them in the elections and campaign the people against them. smile
          I think edros should understand all the consequences of their shortsighted policies.
          1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 17: 23 New
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            Well, see for yourself. You pay taxes to the budget. Russia pays the fines awarded by all kinds of international courts from the budget, i.e. including your money.
            So how? Got into your pocket or not?
            1. Same lech 9 March 2020 17: 26 New
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              fines awarded by all kinds of international courts are paid from the budget,

              That’s why the constitution of Russia was amended so that all sorts of swindlers abroad would not be able to milk the people of Russia ... the sooner this is done, the sooner we will get rid of this crook.
              1. mkop 10 March 2020 08: 28 New
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                Look at the situation realistically. We will refuse to pay, there is no doubt about it, just as there is no doubt that this whole court is nothing but a farce. They didn’t look for any real guilty, they are not looking, and they will not search. The culprits have already been appointed - Russia. The problem is that Russia is not a country in a vacuum, Russia has assets abroad. In case of failure they will simply be selected. What can we oppose this?
      2. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 22: 24 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        Start ... pay from your pocket.

        Of course from the popular, but not from the "oligarchic", as always.
    2. Barmaleyka 9 March 2020 17: 05 New
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      Quote: Igoresha
      will have to pay

      for what?!
      and most importantly to whom?
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        1. Barmaleyka 9 March 2020 17: 08 New
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          Quote: Igoresha
          to the relatives of the victims by the sentence of a foreign court, then everyone will pay

          for starters, you would at least study the history of the case, you saw somewhere that the defendant of the Russian Federation, even with the nonsense that there are 4 defendants - private individuals
          1. Igoresha 9 March 2020 17: 09 New
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            to begin with, you’d even study the history of the case,

            I remember one Swedish court took into account that Ukraine has a poor economic situation ....
            1. Barmaleyka 9 March 2020 17: 20 New
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              Once again, who is the defendant ?!
              1. Avior 9 March 2020 17: 39 New
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                Defendants are private individuals, you are right
                But you do not take into account one nuance
                But if they are found guilty, and Russia does not provide their Turnout and so on, then claims will already be against Russia for obstructing justice.
                hi
                1. Barmaleyka 9 March 2020 18: 46 New
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                  Quote: Avior
                  then claims will already be against Russia for obstruction of justice.

                  how the obstacle occurs, the Russian Federation proposed to conduct a trial in the Russian Federation
                  1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 9 March 2020 20: 14 New
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                    Quote: Barmaleyka
                    how is the obstacle
                    Russia refuses to carry out arrests on warrants through Interpol.

                    Quote: Barmaleyka
                    The Russian Federation proposed to conduct a trial on the territory of the Russian Federation
                    Does not cancel the first paragraph.
                    1. Barmaleyka 9 March 2020 21: 26 New
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                      Russia does not give out its citizens-all in the garden
                      court on the territory of the Russian Federation and if the court determines their guilt, they will serve their sentences in the Russian Federation
                      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 9 March 2020 23: 01 New
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                        There was no question of extradition. It was about arrests.
                      2. Barmaleyka 10 March 2020 07: 49 New
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                        Yes?!
                        and based on what? !!!!
                        investigations of a private structure, by the way a reference to a similar request can be
                      3. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 March 2020 09: 53 New
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                        https://www.interfax.ru/world/693866

                        On June 19, 2019, the investigation team named four suspects of involvement in the death of the airliner: the Russians Igor Girkin (Strelkov), Sergey Dubinsky, Oleg Pulatov and the Ukrainian Leonid Kharchenko. They are put on the international wanted list. and will be held liable for the crash of flight MH17 and the death of all passengers by Articles 168 and 289 of the Dutch Penal CodeThe statement said.

                        "Wanted" means should be delayed if detected.
                      4. Barmaleyka 10 March 2020 12: 06 New
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                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        "Wanted" means should be delayed if detected.

                        firstly, learn the laws of the Russian Federation and not Holland, secondly, who told you that they are not looking for, they are still looking for, they can’t find, they don’t catch my eye
                      5. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 March 2020 12: 08 New
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                        Quote: Barmaleyka
                        First, learn the laws of the Russian Federation and not Holland
                        3. In the case of detect accused he may be detained in the manner prescribed by Chapter 12 of this Code.
                        (the third part is introduced by the Federal law from 04.07.2003 N 92-ФЗ)


                        You yourself would learn what you advise others to teach.
                      6. Barmaleyka 10 March 2020 12: 21 New
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                        Well, firstly in the Russian Federation they didn’t start any business, I don’t know about the stop list of the interpol, but the detention is not always the same
            2. Hunter 2 9 March 2020 23: 13 New
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              Quote: Barmaleyka
              Russia does not give out its citizens-all in the garden
              court on the territory of the Russian Federation and if the court determines their guilt, they will serve their sentences in the Russian Federation

              Even more ... Constitution of the Russian Federation Article 61 - Directly Prohibits Extradition of Russian Citizens to Another State (Section 1, Article 61).
            3. Barmaleyka 10 March 2020 07: 49 New
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              I also meant it
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              Quote: Hunter 2
              Quote: Barmaleyka
              Russia does not give out its citizens-all in the garden
              court on the territory of the Russian Federation and if the court determines their guilt, they will serve their sentences in the Russian Federation

              Even more ... Constitution of the Russian Federation Article 61 - Directly Prohibits Extradition of Russian Citizens to Another State (Section 1, Article 61).

              This gives them the right to detain suspects or convicts in any territory where their jurisdiction operates.
              Russia, of course, does not fall under this.
              Well, they will not be visiting, that's all.
        2. Waddimm 10 March 2020 09: 48 New
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          Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
          Russia refuses

          Obviously, there is no evidence of guilt for these individuals.
          1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 March 2020 10: 06 New
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            Quote: Waddimm
            no evidence
            (wearily) Yes, I am aware, I do not need to retell the training manual again. It was about the fact that since the Netherlands did not think so, from their point of view (as well as from the point of view of countries that recognize the future court decision), Russia is officially the concealer of international criminals.
          2. Barmaleyka 10 March 2020 12: 07 New
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            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            Russia is officially the concealer of international criminals.

            in the first, they were not recognized as criminals; in the second, RUSSIA did not recognize the court as everything else - in the GARDEN
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            Quote: Barmaleyka
            secondly, RUSSIA did not recognize the court

            Is there an official statement by Russia that it does not recognize the court?
          4. Barmaleyka 10 March 2020 12: 49 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Is there an official statement by Russia that it does not recognize the court?

            Russia will recognize the results of the investigation of the Malaysian Boeing in the Donbass, if it takes full part in it. This was announced at a press conference following a meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron, President Vladimir Putin.
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            Quote: Barmaleyka
            Russia will recognize the results of the investigation of the Malaysian Boeing in the Donbass, if it takes full part in it.

            According to ICAO rules, Russia does not have the right to take part in it, according to ICAO rules, only 2 countries conduct an investigation - the owner of the plane and the country over whose territory the tragedy occurred, while each of the 2 countries can delegate its authority to any other country (Ukraine delegated to the Netherlands ), all other countries provide relevant information to the investigation team.
            What's the question ?
            Quote: Barmaleyka
            This was announced at a press conference following a meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron, President Vladimir Putin.


            maybe Russia was invited to participate, strange Putin probably forgot about it?
            The Foreign Ministry’s reaction to this proposal was not voiced the same as it was.
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            Quote: atalef
            According to ICAO rules, Russia does not have the right to take part in it, according to ICAO rules, only 2 countries conduct an investigation - the owner of the plane and the country over whose territory the tragedy occurred

            you asked the OFFICIAL opinion of the Russian Federation; I brought you some more questions?!
            Quote: atalef
            maybe Russia was invited to participate, strange Putin probably forgot about it?

            LINK TO OFFICIAL INVITATION
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            Quote: Barmaleyka
            you asked the OFFICIAL opinion of the Russian Federation; I brought you some more questions?!

            Of course, this is an empty excuse without anything.
            Not only was Russia invited (contrary to the rules), but it also in every way hindered the investigation
            This is an official statement from the Netherlands prosecutor.
            Quote: Barmaleyka
            LINK TO OFFICIAL INVITATION

            I brought you.
            This was voiced by the Russian media.
            What else do you want?
          8. Barmaleyka 10 March 2020 14: 44 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Of course, this is an empty excuse without anything.

            Are you talking about the President’s statement ?!
            Quote: atalef
            I brought you.

            what?!
            video from the Sumerian channel and after that verb about excuses?
  5. Waddimm 14 March 2020 06: 16 New
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    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
    (tired) Yes, I know, I don’t need a training manual again

    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
    because the Netherlands doesn't think so

    (excited) Comrade Major! Why are you firing me ?! I got a manual from you! It also says: "Ask the chat about the lack of evidence so that Comrade Major can show off eloquence and finally convince all the quilted jackets!"
  6. Waddimm 15 March 2020 08: 16 New
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    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
    Yes, I know, I don’t need a training manual again

    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
    The Netherlands do not think so



    (excited) Comrade Major! Why are you firing me ?! I got a manual from you! It also says: "Ask the chat about the lack of evidence so that Comrade Major can show off eloquence and finally convince all the quilted jackets!"
  • Avior 10 March 2020 03: 21 New
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    In fact, the relatives of the victims are already suing international courts for obstructing the investigation.
    And the trial in Russia is not easy - one of the accused is a citizen of Ukraine, and this is an international case.
    1. atalef 10 March 2020 12: 15 New
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      Quote: Avior
      A trial in Russia is not easy

      And what kind of sides should the court be in Russia in general?
      I also understand in Malaysia or Ukraine-and then Russia is here what side?
  • atalef 10 March 2020 12: 10 New
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    Quote: Barmaleyka
    The Russian Federation proposed to conduct a trial on the territory of the Russian Federation

    When and where ? Is there an official statement of the Russian Federation?
    Link please ?
  • Same lech 9 March 2020 17: 11 New
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    the relatives of the victims by the verdict of a foreign court, then everyone will pay, the state will scatter equally to citizens

    It will not be very greasy? ... the moshna will not break?
    So the Dutch, by their own ideas, decided that the Russians should pay? ... and do not want to receive the Pindouls in return?
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      1. Same lech 9 March 2020 17: 17 New
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        And then they will start arresting property abroad

        I don’t feel sorry for the property of the oligarchs ... arrest ... and as soon as you reach me you will get an answer .. smile
        1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 17: 31 New
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          Property of the oligarchs, I do not mind ... arrest

          And the property of Russia? Such as assets of state-owned companies (Sberbank), embassy buildings and so on. Also not a pity?
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            Gref’s property is not a pity ... the embassy will be very greasy ... the Dutch may lose their embassy ... in vain do you think that Russia has no leverage to respond to the Dutch dirty tricks. smile
    2. atalef 10 March 2020 12: 15 New
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      So the Dutch decided by their concepts that the Russians should pay?

      Nobody has decided anything yet, the trial has just begun.
  • Catholic 9 March 2020 18: 03 New
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    for what?!

    For the fact that Russophobe so wanted. I hope our government does not recognize the results of the judicial circus and will find a worthy answer to these clowns.
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      will find a worthy answer to these clowns

      A worthy answer is indisputable facts (so far Russia has a difficult time with this).
      Then, Russia can take part in the process, citing its arguments.
  • cniza 9 March 2020 16: 41 New
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    At the first stage of the consideration of the case, procedural issues will be resolved. The process itself can take several years.


    This is not a court ... but we will see where they begin to bend, and suddenly the mind wins.
    1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 16: 47 New
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      what if the mind wins.

      He will win, but only then, and only at the one who retires. How many times has this happened - as they retire, so the mind wakes up.
      1. cniza 9 March 2020 17: 14 New
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        There is such an observation, but in this situation it will be very difficult to speak black and white and vice versa ...
        1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 17: 16 New
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          Remember Carla DelPonte
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            I remember very well that it’s not only Russia, and there are so many questions and not only Russia ...
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            An aspen stake in her grave in memory of Russia and Serbia.
  • Victorio 9 March 2020 16: 47 New
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    At the hearing, presented the judges who will be involved in the verdict.
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    The verdict has long been printed and propagated.
  • Strashila 9 March 2020 16: 48 New
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    The surroundings of the trial itself show that there is no court, there is a court ruling.
    Western governments do not want to be accountable to their fellow citizens for the killing of their citizens.
    It’s not necessary to be surprised, for example, the Korean Boeing’s cause, which has been shrouded in darkness and mystery for a decade, was declared an evil empire by the USSR, but no one was liable for sending this plane to the last flight, and there was no answer.
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    1. Barmaleyka 9 March 2020 17: 04 New
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      Quote: behappy
      The trial in The Hague on the downed aircraft MH17 over the Donbass, broadcast online.

      if the investigation is not completed, then how can the trial be started ?!
      1. behappy 10 March 2020 00: 38 New
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        which delete harmless comments that simply carry information? !!!! don't tell me ?! I gave a link to the downed Boeing court in The Hague. Is this a crime or just forbidden information? what is the problem?
        censorship?
        then in what? the result will still be. or is the process itself a taboo ?!
        admins?
  • fa2998 9 March 2020 16: 58 New
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    I think we should organize a counterclaim on the fact of falsification. Investigate and judge these ... who are in The Hague.

    When the Ukrainians sued nearly $ 3 billion, we obediently paid (it’s not known for any wrongdoing). Now it’s to be repeated. Unfortunately, whatever they bring to the Constitution, our authorities are afraid of property seizures abroad, etc. hi hi hi
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    2. atalef 10 March 2020 12: 20 New
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      When the Ukrainians sued nearly $ 3 billion, we obediently paid back (it is not known for what offenses).

      It is known. Russia recognized both the jurisdiction of the arbitration and the findings.
      An appeal (as you recall) was not filed.
      Quote: fa2998
      Whatever the Constitution introduces, our authorities are afraid of property seizures abroad

      And why do you not allow a much simpler situation - Russia was wrong?
      For some reason, when the same court ruled that Ukraine should pay the fine, you had no questions about the illegitimacy of the court.
      1. Astra wild 10 March 2020 16: 13 New
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        Atalef, for some reason I am not surprised by your words. Now, if I read that Russia is being run in retaliation for intransigence in the Donbass and Syria, then I would be surprised
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          Quote: Astra wild
          Now, if I read that Russia is being run in retaliation for intransigence in the Donbass and Syria, then I would be surprised

          You are ready to stick everything under the Donbass and Syria.
          So Ukraine was sentenced to pay compensation to Russia-such as the fact that they drove Yanukovych? Or because they are Bandera?
          Swedes (it was the Stockholm arbitration) - deep down the drum that Donbass, that Syria
  • Barmaleyka 9 March 2020 17: 03 New
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    84 people will demand monetary compensation: trial in case MH17 has begun
    who will require? !!!!
    1. behappy 9 March 2020 17: 15 New
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      Quote: Barmaleyka
      who will require? !!!!

      And did Yukos demand from anyone?
      The one who took over the company or the country / state? When domineering men are slandering what lies bad or what they have taken away, then they believe that the state is them.
      When they mess up and need to give grandmas, then everyone says that the state is the entire population of the country and, accordingly, who then gives grandmas ?? -
      Correctly, everything in the country, except for those very swollen “statists”.
      So the court demands from the state, and the state already distributes this to the shoulders of its citizens (no, not those citizens, but the most ordinary ones).
      Or do you think that the grandmother (or sit) will be given by the one who gave the order (well, after all, there should have been the very first order, was it not even to shoot from the Kalash) ?!
      1. Barmaleyka 9 March 2020 17: 17 New
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        Quote: behappy
        And did Yukos demand from anyone?

        there the defendant was Russia here four private individuals
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            Quote: behappy
            No, 4th persons - this is the beginning, the perpetrators / witnesses - this will be decided by the court

            Defendants in MH17 crash case failed to appear in court
            The meeting will continue without them; the lawyer represents the interests of one of the defendants. Accusation of involvement in the crash of the aircraft was brought against three citizens of Russia and one citizen of Ukraine
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              why is my comment deleted? meaning is lost answers! comment ... he's harmless! just carries information! strange and very strange! because the result will still be "on the face"!
              1. Barmaleyka 10 March 2020 07: 53 New
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                Quote: behappy
                why is my comment deleted?

                for two years you on a forum did not learn to use site services?
                for what purpose do you ask me a question, write to moderators
          2. Victorio 9 March 2020 18: 10 New
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            Quote: behappy
            But such expenses are borne by the statebecause it is an international crime. Ash stump, which is not from the pockets of moneybags, but from the taxes of citizens.

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            while the state no one blames
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              while the state no one blames

              Who? it was Strelkov himself who drove Buk (how?) and shot and then on the air he shouted that it was cool, that he knew and that it was a nonsense to fly all kinds of transport workers ..? but it turned out that he was not a transporter .. ept .. no, it wasn’t so ?!
              everyone can buy beams from us, it turns out .. and shoot a nerf, almost every miner is straight .. do you still believe that?
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            ANB 9 March 2020 20: 30 New
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            . it is to find the one who gave the first order. And of course there is such a person.

            Do you think that there is or was an order to shoot down boeing or other civilian aircraft?
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              Quote: ANB
              Do you think that there is or was an order to shoot down boeing or other civilian aircraft?

              definitely! I think so! perhaps the order was not to bring down the Boeing .. but from this the meaning of the order does not change.
              Or do you think that Buk can drive around freely and without orders? wow!
              the question must be posed in a slightly different way: why was the beech there, who gave the order for the redeployment of these weapons. etc. it's not a child’s small carrier for 10 kopecks of the times of the ussr (if anyone remembers) (((
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                Quote: behappy
                Quote: ANB
                Do you think that there is or was an order to shoot down boeing or other civilian aircraft?

                definitely! I think so! maybe the order was shoot down is not a Boeing .. but from this the meaning of the order does not change.
                Or do you think that Beech can drive around freely and without order? wow!
                the question must be posed in a slightly different way: why was the beech there, who gave the order for the redeployment of these weapons. etc. it's not a child’s small carrier for 10 kopecks of the times of the ussr (if anyone remembers) (((

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                if there was an opportunity to bite Russia, believe me, the Dutch would have raised such a wave in Russia, but they would have picked it up! but there’s nothing limited to switchmen
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              definitely the order was. certainly not a Boeing. he is only a victim mistaken for another plane. Do you think that beeches just drive around just like that and everyone can shoot? Seriously? I hope you are not 12 years old.
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                The order to shoot down military targets during a war is not a crime.
                1. behappy 10 March 2020 16: 26 New
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                  shoot down military targets during the war

                  So is it still a war ??
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                    ANB 10 March 2020 17: 19 New
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                    . So is it still a war ??

                    Is not it so?
                    Ordinary civil war with the use of heavy weapons and aircraft.
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        3. atalef 10 March 2020 12: 21 New
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          Quote: Barmaleyka
          Quote: behappy
          And did Yukos demand from anyone?

          there the defendant was Russia here four private individuals

          so Russia Yukos chopped off.
  • honest people 9 March 2020 17: 06 New
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    It may very well be you

    Nah ... certainly it will not be me ... if the representatives of the Dutch court come forward to me with their demands ... except for kicks in the ass from me they won’t get anything. smile

    Blessed is he who believes! lol
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      Quote: honest people
      Blessed is he who believes!

      Psalm 1
      1: 1. Blessed is the husband who does not go to council
      the wicked and does not stand in the way of sinners and does not sit
      in a corrupted meeting
      1: 2. but in the law of the Lord his will, and of his law
      he thinks day and night!

      And I think your remark is out of place.
  • aranzon1913 9 March 2020 17: 34 New
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    Put on this farce, sanctions more or less ... no difference
  • gel
    gel 9 March 2020 17: 42 New
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    In place of Russia, I would hold a preconference for relatives who were picketing the embassy. With all the evidence and exposing fairy tales from bellindkat. And there let their brains be turned on if they have one.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 9 March 2020 20: 23 New
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      Quote: gel
      In place of Russia, I would hold a preconference for relatives who were picketing the embassy. With all the evidence and exposing fairy tales from bellindcat.
      The problem is that revelations in the spirit "your evidence from social networks is not evidence, show us the real evidence" They work only for those who have already chosen a position and are ready to adhere to it anyway, without any disclosures. But an ordinary person does not understand why these photos and videos suddenly become fake simply from the fact of their placement in social networks.
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        ANB 9 March 2020 20: 35 New
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        . why are these photos and videos becoming fake simply from the fact of their posting on social networks.

        They do not become fake, but they are so from the very beginning. And in social networks published to simulate authenticity.
        Open the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation and read about the methods of collecting evidence and examinations. Violation of these methods does not entail recognition by the court of the collected facts.
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          You are mistaken, a photo from social networks is often used as evidence, including in Russia
          1. ANB
            ANB 9 March 2020 21: 40 New
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            . You are mistaken, a photo from social networks is often used as evidence, including in Russia

            When judged for publication - yes.
            1. Avior 9 March 2020 22: 00 New
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              When judged for extremism, for example, it will be the same proof of guilt. And on other matters too

              https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2019/04/16/799214-sotsseti-dokazatelstvo
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                Well, that's what I had in mind.
        2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 9 March 2020 23: 07 New
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          Quote: ANB
          Open the Code of Criminal Procedure and read about the methods of collecting evidence
          It was not about proving in court, but about arguing your position relatives of victims. They will not be convinced by procedural procedural squiggles, this is for lawyers things, and not for people. What is intended for lawyers will be in court.
          1. BREAKTHROUGH READY 10 March 2020 01: 05 New
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            argumentation of their position to relatives of victims
            And what position would you dare to argue with your relatives in person? Would they talk about the “Spanish dispatcher”, “pilot Voloshin” and “stale corpses”, or maybe they even showed a “satellite photo with a four-kilometer Boeing”?
            The Russian side simply does not have a sound and unified position; statements that “the enemies have set up again around” are intended only for the VGTRK spectators and will not work with the Dutch in any way.
      2. behappy 10 March 2020 00: 54 New
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        The problem is that ...

        the problem is in the sense of bringing down a Boeing ... purely for Ukraine I do not see ... to bend at all? or for what? and with the entire system in operation, in Ukraine they could distinguish a Boeing from another aircraft. it's still not Zimbabwe - a friend of Russia
    2. Avior 9 March 2020 21: 05 New
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      And what do you think, why haven't you done so far?
  • Astra wild 9 March 2020 19: 10 New
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    So tomorrow they’ll come to arrest Shoigu? Remember how Illarionov said that V. V. is in a hurry to adopt the new Constitution in order to send the Gag court to the forest?
    1. Vita vko 9 March 2020 21: 49 New
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      Quote: Astra wild
      Hastens to adopt a new Constitution to send the Gag court to the forest

      Everything is much more serious. No wonder the referendum is scheduled for April 22 on the birthday of V.I. Lenin. I’m sure of the people then they will call it “Leninist” with all the consequences in terms of social justice.
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        No wonder the referendum is scheduled for April 22

        what is this old jo .. pa.
        Who needs this at all? what nafig Lenin.?! what is the meaning of all this about Lenin?
        Referendum? Do you believe that? do you personally?
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      Quote: Astra wild
      to send the forest Gaga court

      so if the court decides, then VV Himself will not be dismissed .. but where to him. talk only recently that international laws are illegal in the Russian Federation ... isn't it strange ?! but how what-the Russian Federation in the international court .. or something didn’t say so? sort of like it said so
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  • ANB
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    Defendants are private individuals, you are right
    But you do not take into account one nuance
    But if they are found guilty, and Russia does not provide their Turnout and so on, then claims will already be against Russia for obstructing justice.
    hi

    And where is the turnout request, even if the identities are not established?
    Even if the court makes a decision that the DNI militia was shot down by Boeing, these 4 people cannot be found guilty of this. Strelkov is accused of writing on social networks that they shot down Ukrainian transport. However, Strelkov’s order to shoot down civilian planes does not appear anywhere. And without it, what is his fault then? He didn’t even press a button.
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      So far, the trial has just begun and no evidence has been provided. First you need to see who is blamed
    2. behappy 10 March 2020 01: 10 New
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      He didn’t even press a button

      and who gave the order? what for? where is the beech from? Well this is not a toy! or do you see them moving around in your city every day? maybe a special order is needed for such a technique, right? and not just com parts .. what do you think? especially in the application on the territory of another state.

      is this not so obvious ?!
  • olimpiada15 9 March 2020 20: 29 New
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    This is a farce, not a court. In addition to disgust does not cause anything. The disaster is responsible for the country that sent the civilian airliner to the area where the APU bombed the inhabitants of their own country. The second guilty party is the Netherlands, which sent the ship to where the fighting is going. Did you know? They knew. The whole world knew. The liner was doomed to departure. Those whom they decided to put on the dock could not do anything to prevent this inhuman provocation. In general, the investigation should begin with an answer to the question, to whom was it beneficial?
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      If the militia shot down the Boeing, then for them it would be a legitimate target. Therefore, the investigation did not look for anti-aircraft gunners.
      And since they shot down the APU, this is already a deliberate murder. And that is why they are trying to smear them with all their might. Since too many questions then arise.
      1. Avior 9 March 2020 20: 48 New
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        Civilian aircraft cannot be a legitimate target
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          . Civilian aircraft cannot be a legitimate target

          Maybe if it flies in the same place as the military sides, and it is difficult to distinguish it from the military.
          The Armed Forces of Ukraine just before this actively sent military transporters to the Donbass. And one of them was definitely shot down.
          Is that why Boeing was driven there to set up a militia?
          And when the militia did not touch him, they shot down themselves and immediately made a hype.
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            Quote: ANB
            Maybe if it flies in the same place as the military sides, and it is difficult to distinguish it from the military.
            The flyradar24 website identified the Boeing as a civilian flight MH17, so there were no problems identifying it. Those who shot down either did not attempt to distinguish it from the military, or used a system that did not allow it to selectively hit military targets. Both options are a war crime.
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              Yes, even though he determined a UFO, it was NOT possible to send a ship to this area, which is incomprehensible ... or again warm-soft!
  • impostor 9 March 2020 21: 20 New
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    Malaysia killed a thousand times more Russians with palm oil than it is unknown what killed the unfortunates in MH17
  • evgen1221 9 March 2020 21: 21 New
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    Well, here is another confirmation of the fact that integration into the Western system is always and only to our detriment. With the kings that today, it always ended badly for us. Is someone waiting for justice? So they have it exclusively for themselves, we have never stood by here.
  • ljoha_d 9 March 2020 21: 43 New
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    Well, I hope ours will not sign the guilt, because I think the court and there will be no verdict with the stigma. And the court is just another circus. I will remember a case when Ukraine during an exercise already shot down an airplane. They have a lot of experience in this matter, although it sounds rude to the dead.
  • Vladimir Mashkov 9 March 2020 21: 57 New
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    Explicit Russophobic political show! And to investigate the performance of relatives? Insanity for pumping Russophobian psychosis!
  • IL-64 9 March 2020 23: 59 New
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    Not to be confused with the Hague Criminal Court. This is like our Basmanny. His decisions are sent by the forest.
  • ANB
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    Quote: behappy
    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
    The problem is that ...

    the problem is in the sense of bringing down a Boeing ... purely for Ukraine I do not see ... to bend at all? or for what? and with the entire system in operation, in Ukraine they could distinguish a Boeing from another aircraft. it's still not Zimbabwe - a friend of Russia

    And that is why from the side of Ukraine (while not recognized by the legislation of the Russian Federation as a terrorist organization) this is a flagrant crime.
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    Egypt out, refused to recognize the territorial act, in the sky above Sinai, so as not to pay anything, the sailors have a great fantasy, even if they come up with something.
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    so they should be judged first ... saloids.
  • ANB
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    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Barmaleyka
    Quote: behappy
    And did Yukos demand from anyone?

    there the defendant was Russia here four private individuals

    so Russia Yukos chopped off.

    Not "chopped off", but quite legally confiscated for tax evasion.
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