Polish observer: “Su-57 - the success of Russian industry or a propaganda action?”


The Polish press recalled that in 2020 marks exactly 10 years since the creation of the first prototype PAK FA (T-50), which is now called Su-57. Observer Juliusz Sabak writes that Russia presents the Su-57 as a completely new machine, "superior in a number of components to the American F-22 and F-35 fighters." At the same time, Sabak asks the question: Is the Su-57 a real success of Russian industry or a “paper tiger”, a propaganda campaign?


The Polish author notes that the first flight of the prototype Sukhoi T-50 took place in January 2010. The article says that at the end of 2019, the first Su-57 was supposed to be in service with the Russian Air Force, but this did not happen.

From an article in Defense24:

From a design point of view, the Su-57 is a continuation of the concept that has become successful for Sukhoi - from the Su-27 fighter and its versions, down to the Su-30 and Su-35. Among the "ancestors" of the Su-57, it is also necessary to mention numerous experimental designs based on the Su-27, including primarily the Su-47 (S-37) "Golden Eagle" with characteristic wings with a negative slope. However, visually the 5th generation Russian fighter is most similar to its competitor - Lockheed F-22A Raptor. Both aircraft are heavy twin-engine machines with stealth technology, that is, with reduced radar characteristics. However, in the case of the Russian design, a compromise was found between low detectability and high maneuverability, traditional for Russian cars. Hence, for example, the design of the air intakes, which provides a better and less turbulent air supply to the engines during maneuvers.

Juliusz Sabak notes that the Russian plane was an attempt to agree on several conflicting requirements in the format of a single machine.
The author notes that while the Su-57s are not equipped with engines of the second stage, the thrust of which was initially forecasted at about 19 tons.

Comment by one of the readers of the Polish resource:

Let's be serious. Aircraft number 1 crashed, and aircraft number 2 does not yet exist (in service). And still there is no engine (they mount the old type).

From an article in the Polish edition:

Russia has not yet improved many key technologies. For example, a coating that reduces reflection of waves. Or a very ambitious radar station designed for the Su-57.

According to Sabak, “the Su-57 is not as revolutionary as representatives of Russian industry claim.”

The material deals with the weapons of the Su-57. In particular, it is noted that it is the Russian aircraft that may become the first 5th generation fighter equipped with hypersonic missiles.
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  1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 10: 24 New
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    Let's be serious. Aircraft number 1 crashed, and aircraft number 2 does not yet exist (in service). And still there is no engine (they mount the old type).

    Fools do not show sex work. To anyone.
    1. Insurgent 9 March 2020 10: 33 New
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      Polish observer: “Su-57 - the success of Russian industry or a propaganda action?”

      He asked a question, created an "intrigue", and logically, he had to answer it so that the reader understood.
      But no ... Just a set of words.
      1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 10: 54 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        But no ... Just a set of words.

        Like, stuffing: move a stick in the silt, see what comes out. At the same time lay doubts. The usual story.
    2. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 10: 45 New
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      Fools do not show sex work.

      But I’m not so interested, where else half the work. I’m more curious where half of the cars are still visible?
      Apparently they think that they should continue to pay taxes and not ask unnecessary or uncomfortable questions?
      1. Insurgent 9 March 2020 10: 57 New
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        Quote: Alex2048
        believe that he should continue to pay taxes and not ask unnecessary or uncomfortable questions?

        Just don't need to ask stupid questions ...
        1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 11: 07 New
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          Just do not ask stupid questions ...

          There are stupid answers. And there are no questions. These simple things you need to know. lol
          1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 11: 17 New
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            Quote: Alex2048
            There are stupid answers. And there are no questions.

            Not true.
            http://stosekretov.ru/samye-tupye-i-glupye-voprosy/
            You need to know such simple things. But you do not need to be clever. laughing
            1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 11: 31 New
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              Not true

              lol
              An excellent reference to a simple and scientific justification. Just 5 points. lol
              1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 11: 35 New
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                Quote: Alex2048
                An excellent reference to a simple and scientific justification. Just 5 points

                Glad you liked it. hi
                Quote: Alex2048
                There are stupid answers. And there are no questions.

                Is it not proved that stupid questions really exist?
                1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 11: 38 New
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                  Is it not proved that stupid questions really exist?

                  Of course not. And you understand that. Otherwise, they would not have asked this question.
                  1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 11: 43 New
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                    Quote: Alex2048
                    Of course not.

                    Really? It presents a whole bunch of stupid questions. By its existence it refutes your statement about their absence in principle. What is wrong?
          2. Amateur 9 March 2020 12: 33 New
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            There are stupid answers. And there are no questions.

            If you don’t want to get a stupid answer, don’t ask a stupid question (Folk Wisdom)
        2. bessmertniy 9 March 2020 11: 09 New
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          And who needs the opinion of this Polish observer !? what And what can his opinion change in our plane to make it easier? lol
      2. mikh-korsakov 9 March 2020 11: 27 New
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        Alexei! In principle, you are right "but what should pay taxes," I often read this. I would beware. With these, it may be possible to fend off "But you pay more! And the discussion comes to a standstill.
    3. Thrifty 9 March 2020 11: 19 New
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      Sabak barks - they are building a plane! negative
      1. il-z 9 March 2020 14: 20 New
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        Wimps bark, and not just on planes ....
      2. Aag
        Aag 9 March 2020 17: 13 New
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        Not as long as barking, how to build.
    4. Alexey from Perm 9 March 2020 14: 02 New
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      well, wait another 10 years
    5. Dart 9 March 2020 15: 52 New
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      Even I didn’t understand the Pshek passage ... they are watching, but on the side ... after all, there was infa last year, a batch of 5 planes went to some district for military tests .... ... this year no less than the same party will go to another district .. they wrote the same ..
  2. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 10: 25 New
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    There is no PR success or industry success so far.

    1. No sales
    2. There is no mass production.
    1. Insurgent 9 March 2020 10: 37 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      There is no PR success or industry success so far.

      Yes, and no. So, "the country is a gas station with a torn economy." Everything is lost, everything is lost! crying

      1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 11: 47 New
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        It will be ahead when, when the ruble depreciates, we will wipe our hands, in the hope that we will sell some MS21, not 100 pieces, but 150 pieces. In the meantime, we are a country gas station. $ rose - we are impoverished.
    2. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 10: 43 New
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      There is no PR success or industry success so far.

      1. No sales
      2. There is no mass production.

      I wonder why gentlemen put a minus, but do not write any justification in response?
      1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 10: 57 New
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        Because there are no thoughts .... Success will be when they start production and we see the Su57 combatant. Now we see the prototypes. Moreover, when there will be production of the 57th, there will be mass production of all its components. And we will see the next upgrade of the Su35C.
      2. mister-red 9 March 2020 11: 12 New
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        And when the planes begin to enter the troops, will the author sprinkle ash on his head? After all, it will be the fastest this year.
      3. Alexey from Perm 9 March 2020 14: 03 New
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        because the urapatriotics hang out here, they don’t have critical thinking at all, they have long won all or will be victorious with a hat-filling machine.
    3. Krasnoyarsk 9 March 2020 11: 06 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      There is no PR success or industry success so far.

      1. No sales
      2. There is no mass production.

      Well, the Poles have more than enough. laughing
      Here they are, wretched, and are tormented. I can’t do anything myself, so give at least a bite to someone who can.
      Do not worry Zaurbek, everything will be. Everything has its time.
      1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 11: 21 New
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        Yes ... but Poles are buyers, as are Indians, Turks, Asians. And their thoughts on how to spend money on a fighter have a right to exist.
        1. Krasnoyarsk 9 March 2020 12: 12 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek

          And their thoughts on how to spend money on a fighter have a right to exist.

          What are the "thoughts", dear? Who will allow them to buy Russian equipment? They do not need to "think" in this direction. Everything has already been decided for them.
          1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 12: 55 New
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            An example with the Indians .... they were allowed and they have not yet bought.
            1. Krasnoyarsk 9 March 2020 14: 02 New
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              Quote: Zaurbek
              An example with the Indians .... they were allowed and they have not yet bought.

              You probably did not think before comparing the Poles with the Indians.
              Hindus, as yet, pursue an independent policy, which can not be said about the Poles.
              1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 21: 31 New
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                One way or another, these are buyers with money (and there are not many) who reason with their money.
      2. evgenii67 9 March 2020 12: 45 New
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        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Quote: Zaurbek
        There is no PR success or industry success so far.

        1. No sales
        2. There is no mass production.

        Well, the Poles have more than enough. laughing
        Here they are, wretched, and are tormented. I can’t do anything myself, so give at least a bite to someone who can.
        Do not worry Zaurbek, everything will be. Everything has its time.


        Poles in the near future can acquire 5th generation aircraft and in quantity more than in Russia.
        1. Krasnoyarsk 9 March 2020 14: 05 New
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          Quote: evgenii67

          Poles in the near future can acquire 5th generation aircraft and in quantity more than in Russia.

          Of course they can. But is it really about this? It's about what I myself can’t do, but criticizing the one who knows how is a vital necessity.
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            Aag 9 March 2020 17: 19 New
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            Here, including for this reason, they will be able to acquire.
    4. vicvladol 9 March 2020 11: 35 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek

      1. No sales

      The F-22 also has no sales. Just a fact.
      1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 11: 50 New
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        1. There are already 200 pieces, 10 years ago.
        2. There are customers, Japan, for example.
        3. I think that we will still see the modernized F22, with avionics F35 and more powerful radars. Such talk is going on.
        1. vicvladol 9 March 2020 12: 27 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          1. There are already 200 pieces, 10 years ago.

          So what? The reasons are well known.
          Quote: Zaurbek
          2. There are customers, Japan, for example.

          A joint project is not a sale.
          Quote: Zaurbek
          3. I think that

          This is welcome! Very useful activity.

          You put the availability of sales in first place in your success rating, and now explain to me why this is not so.
          PS: I’m not minus you.
          1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 12: 53 New
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            I put the sales to the success of PR .... F22 is success in industry and production. The USA itself did not sell it; there were interested parties. Su57 repeated success or not success F22? Technologically and production? Just like the transition from the 4th to the 5th generation.?
            1. vicvladol 9 March 2020 14: 06 New
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              Those. now your sale is not an indicator of success. Your success rating is individual for each aircraft.
              A successful Su-57 or not - time will tell. Although my opinion, at the moment, yes, it is a success.
              1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 14: 09 New
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                Will show. Su57 is now semi-successful, because mass production 50% of the problems. F22 is not commercially successful... Side sales are not. F35 repeats while the program F16. And this is the most massive 4th and ++ generation aircraft in the world. Su27 / 30/35 are also very successful machines.
            2. Aag
              Aag 9 March 2020 17: 21 New
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              It is interesting to hear the opinion of minusers.
              1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 21: 29 New
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                These are people without opinions and who are not able to reason logically.
  3. Aaron Zawi 9 March 2020 10: 30 New
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    Su-57 is an undoubted success of the Russian aviation industry. The one who does nothing is not mistaken, and the one who walks will master the road.
    1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 10: 41 New
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      If the Su57 is successful ... Then what can be attributed to failure? request
      1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 10: 57 New
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        Quote: Alex2048
        If the Su57 is successful ... Then what can be attributed to failure? request

        That's why they talk about half the work and the fool who observes because of the wattle fence.
        1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 11: 10 New
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          So is there anything to substantiate success? And then the second time with a story about "not smart" you look strange.
          1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 11: 22 New
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            Quote: Alex2048
            So is there anything to substantiate success?

            Strictly speaking, it’s too early to judge about success-failure itself. There is no final result (series, troop supply, export).
            Quote: Alex2048
            And then the second time with a story about "not smart" you look strange.

            What is "strange"? Repetition is the mother of learning. It is strange that you do not understand this. Do not take everything at your own expense. He did not pursue the goal of switching to personality. hi
            1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 12: 31 New
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              There is no final result (series, troop supply, export).

              Article written now? We are discussing now? If in both cases yes, then I suggest that you refrain from discussing it and wait for the outcome then and will state its arguments.
              1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 16: 09 New
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                Quote: Alex2048
                Article written now? We are discussing now?

                Quote: Alex2048
                If the Su57 is successful ... Then what can be attributed to failure?

                Distort again (Lieutenant, be silent!). The program is not finished, so it’s too early to talk about success and failure. It's about that. And if you are for the fact that "everything is lost", then I am for

                What is wrong?
              2. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 18: 00 New
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                Quote: Alex2048
                I suggest you to refrain from discussion and wait for the result

                Well, that works your way too, doesn't it? Or is it just me, and you can’t drown out your pan-prose song, you won’t kill, by definition? On what basis?
                1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 18: 18 New
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                  Based on the fact that I’m a lieutenant in your performance, but I’m looking at general uniforms, they’re clearly shaking, it’s not good for ordinary staff to play with a general uniform ...
                  1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 19: 44 New
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                    Quote: Alex2048
                    Based on the fact that I am a lieutenant in your performance

                    This is a quote from the corresponding joke. Must know. Suspiciously ... what
                    Quote: Alex2048
                    I’m looking at general shoulder straps

                    Oh, I beg! But who really takes these "epaulets"? Youngsters, perhaps? Are you one of them, darlings?
                    Quote: Alex2048
                    not the same for the ordinary squad to play with the general's uniform ...

                    And for garlic - I'm the senior sergeant, but what does it have to do with it?
      2. Insurgent 9 March 2020 10: 58 New
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        Quote: Alex2048
        If the Su57 is successful ... Then what can be attributed to failure?

        Your post.
      3. mister-red 9 March 2020 11: 13 New
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        Can I have a couple of points about the failure? Just somehow not in the know.
        1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 11: 21 New
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          Just somehow not in the know.

          10 years have passed and what can we be ready to quantify F35vsSU57 or with already discontinued F22?
          The transition to a new engine really dragged on in time ... Apparently until it becomes obvious to everyone that it is necessary to build cars of the 6th generation.
          And the material base for basing the Su57 is somehow not particularly prepared.
          1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 11: 31 New
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            The time will come and you will be very surprised. Practice changing shoes in a jump.
            1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 11: 34 New
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              The time will come and you will be very surprised.

              Yes, I’m already surprised ... Praising something that essentially does not exist.
              1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 11: 39 New
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                Quote: Alex2048
                Yes, I'm already surprised ...

                Quote: Alex2048
                Praise what is essentially not there.

                1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 12: 28 New
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                  So not long and wait to become.
                  1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 15: 54 New
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                    Quote: Alex2048
                    So not long and wait to become.

                    Due to your extremely weak position, you distort again (Lieutenant, keep quiet!).
                    Do not "wait", but "do not rush." Catch the difference?
          2. mister-red 11 March 2020 23: 09 New
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            Failure is when the product failed. Or does not meet the requirements.
            The aircraft has been adopted. There is an order. Yes, a little, but this is not a question of the plane, but of the finances of the state. The engine is not the one that is already being tested. Has the process dragged on? Yes? but more because of financial problems.
            Call it a failure.
            And do not compare with the F-22 - if not for the 90s, such a plane would have come out almost simultaneously with the raptor. So everything is in order, the main thing is not forgotten how to make new aircraft.
            1. Aleks2048 12 March 2020 08: 56 New
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              Failure is when the product failed. Or does not meet the requirements.
              The aircraft has been adopted. There is an order.

              The title of the article is about the success of the aviation industry, and not the quality of the product. A man who invents a bicycle today without prompts will remain in his genius, but will he become successful? Success for a child is the first step or first words, but it is success for a limited circle of people, usually for close relatives of the child. But the Nobel Prize or victory at the Olympics is already a real success. On the whole, Russian industry has never before made a fifth-generation aircraft, but in the world they have been made for a long time. And it turns out that the Russian aviation industry is mastering what some already have. This is what success is called if you don’t go to sub-5. Why not compare with f70? Su22 in which case it is to fight with f57. You can certainly compare with China, but here, too, our aircraft industry loses noticeably, of course, and in the long run, we will defeat everyone, but for now we’ll just be thrown over with caps. But Su22 is primarily a fighter, and it turns out he lost his battle without even taking off - just quantitatively. recourse
              1. mister-red 12 March 2020 22: 50 New
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                Quote: Alex2048
                Why not compare with f22? Su57 in which case it is to fight with f22.

                If you read carefully, you would understand that I didn’t mean not the comparison of aircraft as combat units, but their creation process.
              2. mister-red 12 March 2020 22: 57 New
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                Quote: Alex2048
                But Su57 is primarily a fighter, and it turns out he lost his battle without even taking off - just quantitatively

                Again 25. Where is the logic? You talk about the characteristics of the fighter, and then the plane lost, because it will be released in a small series.
                As they say, one creature - let's separate the flies from cutlets. One thing is the plane and its combat effectiveness and another thing is the finances of the state.
                Zamvolt here lost both battles - both financial (too expensive to release the entire planned series) and technical (the output was not at all what they wanted, at least by super-gun + admirals probably scratch the back of their head, even if they released it to use it.
      4. voyaka uh 9 March 2020 11: 14 New
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        Design success. But not production.
        1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 11: 23 New
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          Design success. But not production.

          You do not understand ... Here, anyone who has not reported that the Su57 is the standard and the aviation industry of the Russian Federation is doomed to perfection.
          1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 11: 48 New
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            Quote: Alex2048
            Here, anyone who has not reported that the Su57 is the standard and the aviation industry of the Russian Federation is doomed to perfection.

            Do not distort. You claim that the Su-57 is a failure, you are objected that it is too early to talk about failure-success. Or to distort - your task?
            1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 11: 53 New
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              You claim that the Su-57 is a failure, you are objected that it is too early to talk about failure-success.

              You think that we do not live now. Everyone is ready to write off to the descendants if only they would not answer for anything.
              So when will it not be early? Maybe we will designate dates? At least approximately.
              And about distorting it so you are not on this site. lol
              1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 11: 59 New
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                Quote: Alex2048
                You think that we do not live now.

                This is what you think, if you are so confidently declaring failure already at the current stage.
                Quote: Alex2048
                If the Su57 is successful ... Then what can be attributed to failure?

                Quote: Alex2048
                Everyone is ready to write off to the descendants if only they would not answer for anything.

                What? belay
                Quote: Alex2048
                And about distorting it so you are not on this site.

                Fi, Lieutenant! negative
                1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 12: 01 New
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                  This is what you think, if you are so confidently declaring failure already at the current stage.

                  When is the finish line at this stage?
                  1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 12: 10 New
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                    Quote: Alex2048
                    When is the finish line at this stage?

                    From my sofa is not visible. request But this is not an indicator.
                    1. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 12: 28 New
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                      From my sofa is not visible.

                      Then I would like to see the justification regarding the fact that now the finish has not passed.
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                        Quote: Alex2048
                        Then justification would be desirable

                        The program is not closed. What else do you need? If you really want to - request in the search engine "All news with the tag Su-57.", You are welcome.
                        Then the oncoming question: “Then I would like to see the justification regarding the fact that now the finish has already passed.” Something tells me that instead of a clear answer, out of sheer stubbornness, a golimy blizzard is pouring.
                      2. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 17: 15 New
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                        And besides that, in the USA the direct analogue of Su57 is discontinued? Or are you ready to calculate how much time the Russian Federation can afford without spending the military budget, but only buy Su57 and when quantitative parity with the same F22 is reached or your imagination is not held back and you want to compete with China in the 5th generation by the way the program is not finished ... laughing
                        So your arguments in the studio, and so far only you
                        out of sheer stubbornness, an outbreak of snowstorm.
                      3. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 17: 27 New
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                        Quote: Alex2048
                        And besides that, in the USA the direct analogue of Su57 is discontinued?

                        Spit on the USA.
                        Quote: Alex2048
                        or your imagination is not held back and you want to compete with China in the 5th generation, by the way, they also say the program is not finished ...

                        This is solely your imagination. I perfectly understand your trick - on my behalf to come up with garbage, savory to expose it and brand me a disgrace. Checkmate! laughing
                        Quote: Alex2048
                        Or are you ready to count
                        (and hereinafter) ...
                        Are you ready? Recognize defeat - ready, it’s understandable.
                        Quote: Alex2048
                        So your arguments to the studio

                        The program is not closed. What is wrong?
                        Quote: Vasyan1971
                        If you really want to - a request in a search engine: "All news with the tag Su-57."

                        Your arguments that the Su-57 is a failure in the studio. While I’m only watching bullshit about
                        Quote: Alex2048
                        direct analogue of Su57 discontinued in the USA
                        .
                      4. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 18: 15 New
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                        Spit on the USA.

                        And here it is ... In this case, it’s like to fight with the USA, like NATO’s SU-57 block ... Or are we doing everything unique just for the show? And if not, show with whom the SU-57 to fight? Or only in training battles?
                        I understand your trick

                        And apparently the complete failure and utopianism of their position should also be understood ... Or can you show more countries that own technologies of 5th generation aircraft? Feel free ... Speak out .... laughing
                        Are you ready?

                        Well, I thought that you don’t want to think ... You with such arguments only to the Zvezda TV channel.
                        Your arguments that the Su-57 is a failure in the studio

                        And where are your arguments? Not only couldn’t they refute any of mine, so they didn’t present theirs ...
                        And so it did not start badly ... But they could not say essentially ...
                        Since you said
                        (Lieutenant, keep quiet!)

                        You can redirect to yourself with no arguments.
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                        Quote: Alex2048
                        Oh no

                        Yes. In terms of looking back at their "experience."
                        Quote: Alex2048
                        Or are we doing everything unique just for the show? AND

                        What does this have to do with it? Do not take away, as usual, the topic.
                        Quote: Alex2048
                        And apparently the complete failure and utopianism of their position should also be understood ...

                        Please state your “my” position as you see it. And then it seems to me, you argue with yourself.
                        Quote: Alex2048
                        Well, I thought that you don’t want to think

                        I recall:
                        Quote: Alex2048
                        Or are you ready to calculate how much time the Russian Federation can afford without spending the military budget ...
                        and hereinafter.
                        Are you ready to calculate how much time the Russian Federation can lose in case of failure? What you cannot do, do not ask from others. And if the failure is exclusively in your head? How exactly can you confirm this failure, besides your unfounded ideas about the real situation?
                        Quote: Alex2048
                        And where are your arguments? Not only couldn’t they refute any of mine, so they didn’t present theirs ...

                        You simply cannot accept them. And you had no arguments in support of your all-prophetic position, except
                        Quote: Alex2048
                        And besides that, in the USA the direct analogue of Su57 is discontinued?

                        Quote: Alex2048
                        But they could not say essentially ...

                        Namely: continuous moans “all is lost”, “all-for-nothing”, “all in vain”. And a muddy stream of nonsense, as I had foreseen.
                        Quote: Alex2048
                        Since you said
                        (Lieutenant, keep quiet!)

                        And again: a drawn phrase from a completely different context in order to distort (Lieutenant, be silent!).
                    2. Aleks2048 9 March 2020 18: 16 New
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                      What is wrong?

                      And you google and understand ...
                    3. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 19: 38 New
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                      Quote: Alex2048
                      What is wrong?

                      And you google and understand ...

                      Suggest a specific topic that I should google. I asked a specific question, answer specifically. Briefly, without his usual nonsense.
                    4. Aleks2048 10 March 2020 04: 58 New
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                      Suggest a specific topic that I should google.


                      If you really want to - request in the search engine "All news with the tag Su-57.", You are welcome.


                      Catch the difference?

                      Or you, dear, your argument does not roll? Or do you have the epiphany that when they want to see something intelligible from you apart from verbiage, to say a word with nothing to support, then sending to the Internet is not an argument?

                      And again: a drawn phrase from a completely different context in order to distort (Lieutenant, be silent!).

                      And I know a lot of jokes and some of them are vulgar. Do you want to tell about Vasya ..? But it’s not here because it has little relevance to the topic.
                      So besides Achaean, at least someone from you will be able to see a clear justification for your position, even if it consists in the fact that it is necessary to draw up a mythical result over time after the completion of work on the Su57 program? Want to tell me what of the current premises will happen according to the Su57 program after some time? What other result do you need?
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                      Quote: Alex2048
                      when you want to see intelligible something other than verbiage

                      Speaking of verbiage ...
                      Quote: Alex2048
                      And so it did not start badly ...

                      And it all started with this:
                      Quote: Vasyan1971
                      Fools do not show sex work. To anyone.

                      A normal adequate person does not need to argue this. But this is normal. You probably need to. Do not run ahead of the engine shouting “Everything is lost!”, A normal person will not. But this is normal.
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                      If the Su57 is successful ... Then what can be attributed to failure?

                      You failed to prove that the Su-57 was a failure, so I had to drown everything in a murky stream of consciousness like:
                      Quote: Alex2048
                      You think that we do not live now. Everyone is ready to write off to the descendants if only they would not answer for anything.

                      And other shnyaga. Etude "The Dream of Reason in Crimson Tones," as it is. And if I alone thought so ...
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                      And I know a lot of jokes and some of them are vulgar. Do you want to tell about Vasya ..?

                      It’s a strange thing: everyone who, in their impotence, becomes personal, is trying to hurt me with my name. It’s not clear to the poor thing that I haven’t gotten excited about this since toddlers. tongue
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                      Want to tell me what of the current premises will happen according to the Su57 program after some time?

                      Ugh and grind, because it has no power.
                      In short, I summarize: I do not want to get dirty anymore.
                      My grandmother taught me in such cases: "Be smarter, step back first." I obey, perhaps. But by virtue of my kindness, graciously let me gurgle some muck in the back. All the same, it will not fly ...
                    6. Aleks2048 10 March 2020 16: 53 New
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                      And he still tells me about the transition to personalities ... He went about insulting
                      Quote: Vasyan1971
                      Fools do not show sex work. To anyone.

                      A normal adequate person does not need to argue this. But this is normal. You probably need to.



                      My grandmother taught me in such cases: "Be smarter, step back first."

                      Sorry, but for women this is normal. But it seemed to me Vasily is a completely masculine name.

                      And other shnyaga. Etude "The Dream of Reason in Crimson Tones," as it is. And if I alone thought so ...

                      Verbiage? Coincidence? I don’t think so. fellow
                      By the way, the number of those mistaken does not mean the truth of what they are mistaken.
                      In short, Sklifosovsky ...! Will the light see your arguments?
  • svp67 9 March 2020 11: 20 New
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    Then what can be attributed to failure?

    For example, this ...
  • Aaron Zawi 9 March 2020 11: 37 New
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    If the Su57 is successful ... Then what can be attributed to failure? request

    To failure? Israeli project "Lavi". Why? Because after having passed 95% of the road turned it. And the fact that the J-10 on the basis of the “Lavi” was successful only increases the bitterness.
  • sabakina 9 March 2020 12: 06 New
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    If the Su57 is successful ... Then what can be attributed to failure? request

    Obviously, the failure itself! laughing
  • evgenii67 9 March 2020 12: 49 New
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    Quote: Alex2048
    If the Su57 is successful ... Then what can be attributed to failure?
    Superjet 100 (sarcasm)
    1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 14: 13 New
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      Commercially and technologically, it is a modern aircraft and it flies and carries people.
  • Incvizitor 9 March 2020 14: 53 New
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    With civil aviation, the failures were continuous and the vertical line was visible only if this vertical line needed a separate topic.
    The fact that for an instant 35 they also failed for me.
    And so fighters are the best, strategists are the best, ordinary bombers are excellent.
  • svp67 9 March 2020 10: 32 New
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    However, visually the 5th generation Russian fighter is most similar to its competitor - Lockheed F-22A Raptor. Both aircraft are heavy twin-engine machines with stealth technology, that is, with reduced radar characteristics.
    Finally. Indeed, why does everyone compare the F-35 and Su-57? This is a different purpose aircraft and the “light fighter” of the 5th generation we had to think at least 10 years ago
    And yet, our Su-57 reminds me more of the American YF-23, outwardly ...

    1. Timon2155 9 March 2020 10: 34 New
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      Does it look like on the side? Look at the top))))
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        Does it look like on the side? Look at the top))))

        Yes, and in front it resembles, but on top and behind, it is of course ... a “tailless” it is a “tailless”, especially with rectangular nozzles
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        2. Piramidon 9 March 2020 11: 33 New
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          "tailless" she is the "tailless"

          Where did you see the tailless? There is both vertical and horizontal XO
          1. svp67 9 March 2020 11: 40 New
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            Quote: Piramidon
            There is both vertical and horizontal XO
            The fact of the matter is that there is not the usual type of vertical and horizontal plumage there.
            I haven’t seen him in flight, and it’s hard to say that this is his “V-plumage” or that it acts only in the horizontal plane, while the vertical uses gas-dynamic and elevon wings
            1. Piramidon 9 March 2020 13: 39 New
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              Quote: svp67
              The fact of the matter is that there is not the usual type of vertical and horizontal plumage there.

              It has a V-shaped XO, which performs the functions of both horizontal and vertical. If explained very simplistically, if the steering surfaces deviate both to the right or both to the left, then the plane makes a turn. If both deviate inward or both outward, then the aircraft changes altitude. In fact, everything is much more complicated there and a computer controls such a system. This was used on the F-117. But all the same, it is the TAIL tail and such planes cannot be called tailless. hi
              PS The combined function (ailerons and elevators) is also performed by elevons. Here they are used on tailless.
              1. svp67 9 March 2020 13: 47 New
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                Quote: Piramidon
                But all the same, it is the TAIL tail and such planes cannot be called tailless.

                I will believe drinks
  • Yura 9 March 2020 10: 33 New
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    According to Sabak
    Well, yes, a lapdog is not a dog, do not do nonsense and do not build, walk on a leash in life position, a leash means belonging to the owner, and accordingly, what kind of protection against kick.
  • bober1982 9 March 2020 10: 34 New
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    Why introduce the opinions of such eccentric experts?
    With characteristic wings with a negative slope...... etc.
  • Mountain shooter 9 March 2020 10: 37 New
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    Success or failure - time will tell ... But not the Poles to judge it.
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Success or failure - time will tell ... But not the Poles to judge it.

      Why? Own planes are not here, at least strangers will discuss ...
  • Whalebone 9 March 2020 10: 38 New
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    So big deficit of articles on Topwar to publish such nonsense?
    1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 11: 04 New
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      So big deficit of articles on Topwar to publish such nonsense?

      The editors recently sought authors for publications. They promised money. Take care. Show the class! We are only for! Hit the burning verb on the gray and wretched nonsense! We will appreciate it!
      1. Whalebone 9 March 2020 11: 53 New
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        And who are you? Do you promise your money?
        1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 12: 08 New
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          Quote: Whalebone
          And who are you? Do you promise your money?

          Read carefully
          Quote: Vasyan1971
          The editors recently sought authors for publications. They promised money.

          Do not show so brightly, the frank weakness of your position. Do not try to write off everything "for a fool".
          Quote: Vasyan1971
          We will appreciate it!

          "We" are grateful readers and potential admirers of your potentially sparkling talent. hi
          1. Whalebone 9 March 2020 12: 26 New
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            Ah, that is, fart and stand on the side? Usually they hold the answer for "we", or do not hide behind general phrases. "An admirer," such as you at the bathhouse pretty.
            1. Vasyan1971 9 March 2020 14: 27 New
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              Quote: Whalebone
              Ah, that is, fart and stand on the side?

              Judging by your text, it is you who specialize in this.
              Quote: Whalebone
              So big deficit of articles on Topwar to publish such nonsense?

              Pshshsh and aside.
              Quote: Whalebone
              Usually they hold the answer for "we"

              Good. Specifically - I will appreciate. Rather already appreciated. About "sparkling" I will not say about "crap" - the average score. It’s not mature yet, there is something to strive for. request
  • Mytholog 9 March 2020 10: 41 New
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    I remember that the Poles developed their last combat aircraft back in the 30s of the last century.
    Well, to criticize is Poland strong, yeah.
  • Kapkan 9 March 2020 10: 45 New
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    I had one familiar pilot. So he said this:
    1) “I don’t understand on what grounds they stop reckoning with the engines of the 1st stage. The movement of the 2nd stage is an internal development of the complex, and not an attempt to meet someone’s expectations. Indeed, because the Su-57 will have new engines, the Su- 27, 30 or 35 will not stop tearing w..you partners.
    2) "one way or another, the enemy will always be imposed by close air combat."
    1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 11: 00 New
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      Just flying is not enough. Of the 100 aircraft available, 98 are ready. And these 98 are both fighters and bombers. And not 140 fighters and 140 bombers.
      1. Kapkan 9 March 2020 11: 08 New
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        I will not tire of repeating - remember already - the exact number of aircraft ready, planned, the place of their deployment, the number of places of deployment, this is classified information. And at the places of deployment there is always the principle of rotation. All statements regarding the quantity and timing are only approximate. The same goes for tanks and more.
        1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 11: 19 New
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          I do not pretend to be numbers, I am talking about trends. And in civil aviation, the trend is the same for ready-to-fly planes. And there the data is open.
      2. Piramidon 9 March 2020 11: 37 New
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        Of the 100 aircraft available, 98 are ready

        This has never been and never will be. 70% is the norm.
    2. Andrey77 9 March 2020 11: 02 New
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      "one way or another, close air combat will always be imposed on the enemy."
      --
      I imagined the meeting of two aces. F-14 vs MiG-31. Everyone left the rockets and, at Mach 2, began to chop out the cannons.
      1. Kapkan 9 March 2020 11: 10 New
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        I can’t even imagine the “logical chain” in your head if such thoughts arise.
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        Waiting for someone to die from congestion first good
    3. voyaka uh 9 March 2020 11: 22 New
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      "the enemy will always be imposed by close air combat". "////
      ----
      This is a bold statement.
      In the USA, they stopped carrying out training battles with F-35 aircraft of the 4th generation.
      It makes no sense. The pilots of the 4th command of the exercises said: "you are shot down, go to the landing."
      No melee fights.
      And who brought them down, the pilots will find out only later, at headquarters, when dismantling the exercises.
      And the missiles are standard AMRAAM-120.
      1. Kapkan 9 March 2020 11: 51 New
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        This is a bold statement.
        In the USA, they stopped carrying out training battles with F-35 aircraft of the 4th generation.
        It makes no sense. The pilots of the 4th command of the exercises said: "you are shot down, go to the landing."

        They can teach their pilots anything, albeit a mock march around planes, as they like to do, and the useless dances of blacks by attendants on aircraft carriers.
        1. voyaka uh 9 March 2020 11: 58 New
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          Pilots from all over the world regularly fly to the Americans for Red Flag exercises. The exercises are considered the closest to real battles with full monitoring of the entire space of air battles from all sides. For detailed second-to-minute disassembly after.
        2. 3danimal 9 March 2020 17: 34 New
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          It even smacks of a little racism, don’t you? To increase your horizons, watch the video of the work of air groups, there are a lot of them on Youtube.
          So, when the MiG-31 pilots say that they will not enter the melee with the enemy, but will be destroyed in the long-range missile - this is serious, and when the F-22/35 pilots are empty? Double standarts negative
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            So, when the MiG-31 pilots say that they will not enter the melee with the enemy, but will be destroyed in the long-range missile - this is serious, and when the F-22/35 pilots are empty? Double standarts

            no. this means that we have air defense, and they practically do not.
            1. 3danimal 9 March 2020 17: 54 New
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              And how does this fit with the air battle between planes? Bad luck.
              NORAD? See the number of air defense systems, aircraft (and their number) and airbases (as well as the state of airbases). For objectivity always.
    4. Ratmir_Ryazan 9 March 2020 11: 32 New
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      2) "one way or another, the enemy will always be imposed by close air combat."


      Why is this still?

      The supersonic speed and super-maneuverability of Russian aircraft is not created in order to tumbling in close combat, but in order to more effectively perform anti-ballistic maneuvers.

      An example of a Su-30 and MiG-21 in the confrontation between India and Pakistan. The maneuverable and high-speed Su-30s were able to detect a missile attack with AIM-120 missiles and escape from it, and the MiG flew in, because it had no chance to leave, even if it had been warned.

      The same thing with the planes in Syria, those that were quicker able to get away from the Turkish F-16 missile attack, and the bombers and L-39 had no such chances.

      The modern tactics of using fighters are not knightly fights (although this is of course possible), they are just strikes against targets and target designation of ground-based radars and AWACS aircraft.

      Therefore, first of all, fighters need long-range missiles, high speed, good maneuverability, and only then low visibility, their own powerful radar.
      1. Kapkan 9 March 2020 11: 53 New
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        The modern tactics of using fighters are not knightly fights (although this is of course possible), they are just strikes against targets and target designation of ground-based radars and AWACS aircraft.

        In this case, they could completely refuse cannon weapons on every plane for the sake of mass economy and other things. However, none of the pilots is ready to give up guns. This is a word about the fact that everything is thrown out of the seatpost and clogged with ammunition. Well, yes this is a different story ...
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          In this case, they could completely refuse cannon weapons on every plane for the sake of mass economy and other things.


          We’ve tried it already, it turned out that the gun is still needed. Therefore, it is put on all modern fighters. Although the real defeat of the enemy’s aircraft from such a cannon was probably the last time during the Vietnam War.
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          The ammunition of the gun is minimal, this is a weapon of self-defense / last chance, you can say.
      2. 3danimal 9 March 2020 17: 36 New
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        Without a powerful radar in priority you will be bits, statistically. Because of their own blindness over long distances.
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          where did you come from so blatantly incompetent and ignorant?))
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            I can ask a similar question. Plus zigzag is visible negative
            But what essentially is there to say?
            1. Kapkan 9 March 2020 18: 45 New
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              No one will ever tell the real detection range of AFAR. It’s like with Caliber missiles, everyone thought that they fly 600 km, but in fact 2500. So all your funny conclusions do not cause laughter, either. Especially when you consider that, unlike the alleged enemy, our radar systems are much more developed, in different formats. Well, for example, Sky-M. For sim, that's it. This and so, in excess for you. lol
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                Too much arrogance, but is there any reason for it?
                Who was the first to mass-produce radar with headlamps and AFAR (marine and aviation)?
                Your answer: everything is classified, but certainly the best in the world is inappropriate. There is no need to advertise or promote anything. Will you deliberately avoid comparing specific known characteristics?
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                  Too much arrogance, but is there any reason for it?

                  I don’t understand what you mean.
                  Who was the first to mass-produce radar with headlamps and AFAR (marine and aviation)?

                  That’s all the same. What matters is only the current state of affairs, a reserve for the future and the actual future.
                  Your answer: everything is classified, but certainly the best in the world is inappropriate.

                  My answer is exactly the same as I consider it necessary to leave it.
                  Will you deliberately avoid comparing specific known characteristics?

                  What's the point? What is the deep meaning of this, if everything is decided by tactics and strategy. The concept is in the end fighting and war in general.
                  But in general, the main thing is the intention! Here's what you need to compare.
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                    The idea, the deepest meanings - is empty. Where are the arguments ??
                    Each side has tactics and strategy. Or do you believe that "they are all stupid"?
                    The challenges for the future are not only ours, take an interest in the distribution of scientific research around the world (for horizons).
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                      You misused my attention. And verbal exercises of liberda are not interesting to me.
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                        Drain counted hi
  • Konstantin Shevchenko 9 March 2020 11: 21 New
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    The article “Su-57 - the success of Russian industry or a propaganda action?” for the domestic consumer, i.e., Polish. In terms of meaning, there is no need to fear war with the Russians.
  • HAM
    HAM 9 March 2020 11: 21 New
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    Why are the Poles closely watching us? .... everything is simple-elementary envy....
    They themselves can’t do anything, you have to buy from the "exceptional" .... but try not to buy it! but try not to praise!
  • Ratmir_Ryazan 9 March 2020 11: 23 New
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    How tired of these "wise men" -

    Let's be serious. Aircraft number 1 crashed, and aircraft number 2 does not yet exist (in service). And still there is no engine (they mount the old type).


    The AL-57F41 engine is already mounted on the Su-1, it is already a new engine, made specifically for the Su-57 and it fully meets the requirements for 5th generation aircraft - super maneuverability and supersonic cruising speed without afterburner (which F-35 does not have, for example that Poland is going to buy).

    The engine of the 2nd stage will be even better, with less thermal signature. There will be more advanced engines in the future.

    Russia has not yet improved many key technologies. For example, a coating that reduces reflection of waves. Or a very ambitious radar station designed for the Su-57.


    If the Su-57 is covered like on the F-35, then its cruising speed will also be like that of the F-35 - 850 km / h, without the ability to fly for a long time in super-sound without afterburner.

    Polish experts should not judge the Su-57 radar at all, since it has no idea about its capabilities.
    1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 11: 44 New
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      Where are the cargo planes? F35 has already been built 500pcs ..... I do not quibble, who has what engine. The tasks are different for cars.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan 9 March 2020 13: 09 New
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        Where are the cargo planes? F35 has already been built 500pcs ..... I do not quibble, who has what engine. The tasks are different for cars.


        And what do you need right now 500 Su-57 ?!

        The contract was signed for 76 Su-57 aircraft (do not forget about the MiG-30K / 34/35 arriving in the Su-29/31/35 troops), the aircraft are doing, and the more everything will be faster and more reliable. You need to rush yourself you know where, and what it leads to, I think it’s not worth talking.

        Europe won’t rush at all with its 5th generation aircraft, France and Germany fly 4+ and China does not have many 5th generation aircraft.

        The main means of Russia's air defense are air defense systems, not fighters, and Russia is actively updating them. While we are managing and therefore no one is tearing the economy and reserves of the country in order to quickly rip up the clouds of fighter jets, at the cost of impoverishing the country and people, there will be no now. We’ve already traveled, and then our latest planes, our poor pilots from a poor country were transported abroad, as was the case with the MiG-25.

        And the United States has more aircraft built due to a more powerful economy and taking control of countries that are now part of NATO. See how many countries are involved in the creation of the F-35 and how much money they poured !!!

        We simply cannot answer them symmetrically more at times, they are more powerful at times. Therefore, we rely on air defense for ground-based air defense systems, and fighters are tactical and operational forces and reserves.
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          There’s just no money and everyone holds on request
          These 76 aircraft are unlikely to be ready by 2030, we are clearly not inclined to industrial records.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan 9 March 2020 18: 56 New
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            There’s just no money and everyone holds on to request
            These 76 aircraft are unlikely to be ready by 2030, we are clearly not inclined to industrial records.


            Su-30/34/35 more than 100 pieces each were made for the Russian Aerospace Forces, money was found, more than 300 pieces were sent for export. What are the doubts that 76 Su-57s will do by 2030 ?!

            Follow the news, the other day the government wrote off and restructured 750 billion rubles of the defense industry's debt. This is 10 billion dollars for a minute, another 10 Boreev would have been enough to lay or one nuclear carrier.

            Now they will fill their hand and the Su-57 will be like baking pies in batches.
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              Once, one person said that "we make rockets like sausages." Now it is known for certain that this was not so.
              The 57th is much more difficult to manufacture, in comparison with the modifications of the Su-27.
              I propose a dispute for 2030, say, for $ 100, in support (or against) my version. wink
              Lockheed example: new factories for large-scale production of the F-35 were built.
              Debt relief speaks only about the inefficiency of the UAC.
              There is nowhere to build a nuclear carrier, and there is nothing to do with it, having any money. No shipyards, the necessary infrastructure was not created.
      2. Mishiko 9 March 2020 14: 04 New
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        Quote: Zaurbek
        The tasks are different for cars.

        And what is the difference between a multi-purpose fighter and a fighter-bomber? Virtually nothing, just a name - a synonym ...
        1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 14: 07 New
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          The F22 ideological is continued by the F14 fighter of gaining superiority in the air ... The F35 is more of an attack machine, but due to progress in radars and weapons, the BB also shoots well.
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            And stealth makes it possible to bypass air defense and attack first.
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      How will thermal signature be reduced?
      It was about increased cravings only.
  • Finn 9 March 2020 11: 39 New
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    I wonder why gentlemen put a minus, but do not write any justification in response? [/

    By the way, it’s a good idea for the site administration to put a sleeper only after justification. Also noticed. Why do they need to earn money on epaulettes in this way.
  • sanik2020 9 March 2020 11: 40 New
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    Everyone has one song, - "our weapon is the most arsenal and will disarm everyone, that all full pants on arms."
    And the quality of weapons is checked, as always, by war.
    1. 3danimal 9 March 2020 17: 48 New
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      You can compare the number of dead tank crews with us and the Germans in WWII. Not entirely correct.
  • Knell wardenheart 9 March 2020 11: 56 New
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    Polish comments are always so predictably Polish ..
  • thinker 9 March 2020 12: 19 New
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    Quote: Insurgent
    He asked the question, created an "intrigue", and logically, he had to answer it

    The answer is in the original source, and for the Pole, it’s written fairly objectively
    Returning to the question posed at the beginning - is the Su-57 really a new quality in the Russian armed forces or is it just propaganda success? It seems like a really new quality..
  • RVAPatriot 9 March 2020 12: 32 New
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    “According to Sabak,“ the Su-57 is not as revolutionary as the representatives of Russian industry say. ”
    Then you are shaking, looking at Mother Russia ... Somewhere at the level of the brain there is still the memory that these Russians are creating weapons in order to fight as efficiently as possible! not defile on the show
    1. 3danimal 9 March 2020 17: 52 New
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      You forget that it is customary for us to compensate for the technical flaws and mistakes of the command (in the war against a strong enemy) by the mass and cheapness of human resources. Think this has changed now?
  • Amateur 9 March 2020 12: 43 New
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    And what does this Pole know about the Su-57, in addition to comments in NI, Sohu, and even Military Review? NOTHING other than the very fact of existence.
    Almost all data is still classified. Therefore, you can consider any options. request fellow
  • Warrior MorePhoto 9 March 2020 12: 53 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    "the enemy will always be imposed by close air combat". "////
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    This is a bold statement.
    In the USA, they stopped carrying out training battles with F-35 aircraft of the 4th generation.
    It makes no sense. The pilots of the 4th command of the exercises said: "you are shot down, go to the landing."
    No melee fights.
    And who brought them down, the pilots will find out only later, at headquarters, when dismantling the exercises.
    And the missiles are standard AMRAAM-120.


    Yes, as far as I remember, some of the demonstrative teachings were like with the French and Indians ... F 35 as far as I remember everyone did it “dry.”
    Initially, when designing an aircraft, the emphasis was precisely on this, it was earlier to see and faster to hit. As a further development, these are cheap drones that will be launched by a swarm, go ahead and take a hit, this is in case of a "big-eyed" air defense.
    In general, we need a photon radar, it will be a technological and strategic step forward.
    Well and most importantly the engine! So that it doesn’t work out like with T 14
    1. Zaurbek 9 March 2020 14: 16 New
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      There, at least gave birth to t90m ....
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      KCA 10 March 2020 06: 29 New
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      Any aircraft, including the F-35 or F-22, will be detected more than 2000 km from the border of the Russian Federation, the guidance accuracy is insufficient for guiding air defense missiles, but it’s enough to direct a fighter to the border crossing point, even into the visual contact zone or zone OLS actions
  • Aleks2000 9 March 2020 22: 51 New
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    Again 25 ...
    they grind the same thing, there are Armats - then once there are no armatures, there is Su 57, then again - there is no Su 57 ...

    In general, according to the latest news, neither Armat nor Su are in the troops anyway.
    In the commercials there.
    What they know how to do, why they are needed - there are also different opinions, up to officials of the Moscow Region.

    May be enough?
  • tarackanovaleksei 10 March 2020 12: 00 New
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    Who says something ???? Poland ???? Journalist ???? But what opinion do Ukrainians have? Or in Romania, Hungary, in Nigeria, for example, or Mauritania.