Pension reform: Ukrainian option


In the light of the ongoing criticism of changes in domestic pension legislation, it is perhaps worth comparing their results with what is happening in this area at least for our closest neighbors. In particular, in Ukraine, where recently more and more distinct financial “clouds” have been gathering over pensioners. Kiev also intends to solve pressing problems, however, the proposed methods for some reason completely do not please citizens.


First of all, an extremely unpleasant surprise for all recipients of retirement pensions was the government’s refusal to index (that is, increase), which was expected on March 1. The corresponding decision was to be taken by the Cabinet of Ministers, however, after his shift, the old people were somehow “forgotten”. However, the point, of course, is not personnel perturbations. This year, for the first time in two decades in Ukraine, all social programs and payments have been reduced by 12 billion due to the banal lack of money in the state budget. According to reports, the phones in the Pension Fund almost melt from the abundance of calls, but the local employees are not able to answer anything intelligible to their indignant customers.

Moreover, at the official level, warnings are increasingly being heard that pensions will only decrease in the future. In any case, not so long ago, this was precisely what the deputy minister of social policy of the country, Natalya Nenyuchenko, stated. Accusing the current situation of not mediocre actions of the post-maidan authorities, which finally ruined the country's economy and emptied its treasury, but of citizens who “prefer to work in the shadow economy” and do not want to make the appropriate contributions to the Pension Fund or participate in the private pension insurance system, the official warned that in the future we should expect a decrease in the volume of payments.

Where is less? Indeed, according to Nenyuchenko herself, about 4% of pensioners receive a pension below the subsistence level (10 thousand hryvnias or a little more than 83 thousand rubles). At the same time, a significant part of them (up to 40%) are forced to be content with a minimum amount of benefits of about 2000 hryvnias (a little over 5 thousand rubles). At the same time, the amounts in bills for housing and communal services received by owners of fairly modest apartments in Ukraine amount to thousands, not hundreds of hryvnias. If pensions are still reduced, pensioners will simply be put on the brink of physical survival.

At the same time, official Kiev intends, apparently, to take this very path. So, the head of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Social Policy, Galina Tretyakova, recently shared with journalists plans for another “reset” of the social payment system in the country. According to her, this could result in “the liquidation of the Pension Fund and the transfer of its functions to the Ministry of Finance or the State Treasury, or in the transformation of the PFU together with social insurance and unemployment funds into the National Insurance Agency ..."

According to most experts, in particular, the former deputy head of the Pension Fund of Ukraine Viktor Kolbun, this will lead only to one thing - the introduction of “equalization”, in which all citizens, rather than the current 30-40%, will receive the minimum pension.

This is exactly what happened in Georgia, where women, starting at 60 and men after 65, receive, completely regardless of their seniority, payments of 220 lari (about $ 70). Somewhat large amounts were due to those who exceeded 70 or to residents of the highlands of the country. Obviously, about the same amount in future Ukrainian pensioners will have to exist. However, given the current economic situation in the country, it is far from a fact that there will be money for these payments.
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  1. Mavrikiy 9 March 2020 09: 45 New
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    In the light of the ongoing criticism of changes in domestic pension legislation, it is perhaps worth comparing their results with what is happening in this area, at least among our closest neighbors. In particular, in Ukraine,
    I am against, so let's get to the penguins. But they don’t receive a pension at all.
    1. Insurgent 9 March 2020 10: 22 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      I am against, so let's get to the penguins. But they don’t receive a pension at all.

      As if, and ex-Ukraine, at full speed racing "at eUropu", to the level of Antarctic birds, a stone's throw.
      True to this zoo, the polar fox also sniffs ...
    2. Aerodrome 9 March 2020 10: 22 New
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      Pension reform: the Ukrainian version. Where is less? Indeed, according to Nenyuchenko herself, about 4% of pensioners receive a pension below the subsistence level (10 thousand hryvnias or a little more than 83 thousand rubles).
      I have 11450, is it fucking like a buoy? Russia, if anything, the experience was hot ... the apartment "three" earned in the "USSR" is now more than 9 for a communal apartment ... not ... it’s good here, it’s in the Ukraine, humming ....
      1. tihonmarine 9 March 2020 10: 33 New
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        Quote: Aerodrome
        I have 11450, it's like getting a buoy

        Honestly not a lot.
      2. astepanov 9 March 2020 11: 40 New
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        perhaps it is worth comparing their results with what is happening in this area, at least among our closest neighbors. In particular, in Ukraine
        And why is Ukraine taken for the standard, and not Sweden, the USA, Canada, Germany? Well, in Ukraine, pensions are slightly lower than ours - and what, now on this occasion, jumping from happiness and singing hosannas to the president, government and deputies?
        How tired of custom propaganda and writing them ...
        Quote: Aerodrome
        I have 11450, is it fucking like a buoy? Russia, if anything, the experience was hot ...

        The author of the article, half of the pensioners in Russia can publish such a cry of the soul. More than 30 years have passed since the beginning of Perestroika. In the USSR, this period was enough to fully recover after the terrible war, to become the second economy in the world. The current ones have come to the point that they are glad that there is at least someone whose business is worse than ours. A shame.
        1. Victor N 9 March 2020 13: 47 New
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          The meaning of the comparison with Ukraine is that you need to be aware of the connection between the pension system and the country's economy and personal contribution, which Medvedev’s government and your comrades have tried to convey to you. Citizens of Ukraine, working both domestically, in Moscow, in Poland and not deductible from the Pension Fund themselves are doomed to scanty pensions, and they doom bona fide payers to this. Who can - draw conclusions.
          1. major147 9 March 2020 13: 57 New
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            Quote: Victor N
            non-contributors to the Pension Fund themselves are doomed to scanty pensions,

            I wrote here that in the parking lot of the shopping center a man approached me with a request to give money, because I don’t have a pension at all and explained that I had worked all my life on a minibus for “black cash”. And who is to blame?
            I do not pile all the currencies, but after the resignation I often came across offers to work “in black”. But I already have a pension, while others simply did not think about the future.
            1. Den717 13 March 2020 17: 40 New
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              Quote: major147
              and others simply did not think about the future.

              And there are so many of these "others" !!! laughing
          2. V1er 10 March 2020 06: 18 New
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            Quote: victor
            The meaning of the comparison with Ukraine is that it is necessary to realize the connection of the pension system with the country's economy

            So it turns out the Russian economy has not far gone from the Ukrainian economy? Now compare Russia and Ukraine in terms of resources, population, and potential. And it will become very sad.
        2. Den717 10 March 2020 07: 32 New
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          And why Ukraine is taken as a standard,

          This is not a standard. This is an example of how it is possible to be in the world when maidans / marshes win. This is a reminder to those who call for a power / passive power change of power. Ukrainians also came out on their Independence Square in an effort to remove an objectionable leader. Offset ... Has it gotten better? We will remove ... What have we got? Same? Everyone likes? Would you like to take Sweden as an example? How many revolutions have happened there? Eternal neutrality ... Somehow.
          1. Revival 13 March 2020 16: 19 New
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            So an interesting point.
            That is, they have a little less pension with Maidan, without resources.
            We have a little more with half-world resources and no Maidan ..
            Applause
      3. Slavs 9 March 2020 12: 50 New
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        9 plus for a communal apartment

        Wow .. What kind of region?
        1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 15: 13 New
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          I live in the suburbs. Also three, with all the benefits - utilities 7300.
          I won’t be surprised.
      4. Victor N 9 March 2020 13: 38 New
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        In the nickname "airfield" you feel marginal notes ... How did you manage to "achieve"? Yes, with the hot experience ??
    3. The leader of the Redskins 9 March 2020 10: 28 New
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      Author! And WE where we will receive a pension and at what age, in Russia or on Ukroin? !!!
    4. Evdokim 9 March 2020 10: 48 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      I am against, so let's get to the penguins

      Do not confuse horseradish with carrots. Everything is relative. There is something to ponder. To vote in elections, or go out on the street. hi
      1. astepanov 9 March 2020 11: 45 New
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        Quote: Evdokim
        Everything is relative. There is something to ponder. To vote in elections, or go out on the street

        Correctly! All to vote! You give pensions as on Nezalezhnaya! Catch up with and drive in poverty! Sweden or Canada pensions are not a decree for us, we are equal to Nenko! One and all we will refuse pensions in favor of gentlemen of deputies! They do not have enough for property beyond the hill!
        1. Victor N 9 March 2020 13: 49 New
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          Such foolishness does not decorate you. The question is serious - both for the country, and personally for everyone.
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          ... and to football clubs.
    5. knn54 9 March 2020 11: 01 New
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      This is not good with us. And they have a bad thing.
    6. major147 9 March 2020 13: 48 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      I'm against,

      I do not agree! We (Russians) are persistently called on the secluded path, gradually fomenting discontent among the people with the situation in the country. And it is better to learn from the mistakes of others, it's about those who do not remember their own. I'm talking about the 90s, when governments changed, and life got worse and worse. We observe the same picture in the "hydrants." But for some reason, calls are heard not to look at them and not to take into account their mistakes, but to "sweep Putin" and it is not clear who to replace him with.
      1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 15: 29 New
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        gradually inciting discontent among the people with the situation in the country.

        Well, the government does nothing to change the situation for the better.
        But for some reason, calls are heard not to look at them and not to take into account their mistakes, but to "sweep Putin" and it is not clear who to replace him with.

        The calls not to look at them and learn from their mistakes a hundred times a day are said by the Solovievs, Skabeyevs, Kiselevs and Simonyans. True patriots.
        As for the "sweep". And who appoints a government that drowns its people? Trump? State Department? Definitely not Putin?
        1. major147 9 March 2020 18: 44 New
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          Well, the government does nothing to change the situation for the better.

          That is, quite - at all? As I understand it, what could you personally do?
          The calls not to look at them and learn from their mistakes a hundred times a day are said by the Solovievs, Skabeyevs, Kiselevs and Simonyans. True patriots.

          Well, these are not good for you. And who is good? Personally, you and others like you should sweep away the main thing. And who in return? For some reason, this is exactly my question that remains without a specific answer in 99% of cases. Who told you that driving away these people will come better?
          1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 18: 50 New
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            Personally, you and others like you should sweep away the main thing. And who in return?

            Who told you that driving away these people will come better?

            To me and to me like me, the main thing is not to sweep away, as you wrote.
            Now, as for "And who in exchange" ...
            If you are personally interested in my opinion, I will answer: Grudinin or Platoshkin.
            But here there are several conditions. Although, if you listen to the Platoshkin program, and if it is accepted, only under this condition. Whatever you negotiate and think for me, I’ll say right away: I don’t see Navalny as president. Like Zyuganov. Since I also don’t see Starikov with his air defense movement (for reference, he simply “threw” his party of the same name).
            As for better or worse.
            Worse than now, of course it can be. I do not argue. But again, back to the topic - if we accept the political part of Platoshkin’s program - the population receives a real lever of power.
            So we will see.
            1. major147 9 March 2020 19: 03 New
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              Quote: Honest Citizen
              Personally, you and others like you should sweep away the main thing. And who in return?

              Who told you that driving away these people will come better?

              To me and to me like me, the main thing is not to sweep away, as you wrote.
              Now, as for "And who in exchange" ...
              If you are personally interested in my opinion, I will answer: Grudinin or Platoshkin.
              But here there are several conditions. Although, if you listen to the Platoshkin program, and if it is accepted, only under this condition. Whatever you negotiate and think for me, I’ll say right away: I don’t see Navalny as president. Like Zyuganov. Since I also don’t see Starikov with his air defense movement (for reference, he simply “threw” his party of the same name).
              As for better or worse.
              Worse than now, of course it can be. I do not argue. But again, back to the topic - if we accept the political part of Platoshkin’s program - the population receives a real lever of power.
              So we will see.

              Have you heard few programs and promises in your life? Few EP and others promised? Where did you get the idea that the ones you listed would fulfill promises? What is your confidence based on?
              1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 19: 05 New
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                What is your confidence based on?

                Based on the fact that current do not fulfill their promises from the word "completely".
                I agree, it seems like a "castle in the sand", but to see how the country is heading into the abyss is no longer strong.
                1. major147 9 March 2020 19: 18 New
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                  Quote: Honest Citizen
                  What is your confidence based on?

                  Based on the fact that current do not fulfill their promises from the word "completely".
                  I agree, it seems like a "castle in the sand", but to see how the country is heading into the abyss is no longer strong.

                  I don’t know how old you are, but if you remember what hopes the people cherished leading to the power of “their boyfriend” Yeltsin, then the current situation reminds me very much of that. I am not saying that those in power are ideal, but having the sad experience of past changes behind me, I am very skeptical of calls for a change of power. After all, the people you listed above do not have real management skills. Having experience managing a fairly large plant, I can tell you how many "pitfalls" that the factory workers are not aware of appears in the process. The workers see everything simply - the director with his friends grabs, and the workers get a penny. It is the same with the state, but on a different scale.
                  1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 19: 24 New
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                    Yes, I remember on which "goat" Yeltsin ascended the throne.
                    And about management, so I also led the departments, divisions and the plant. Let not large, you can even say small, but led. And I also know about pitfalls.
                    1. major147 9 March 2020 19: 34 New
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                      Quote: Honest Citizen
                      Yes, I remember on which "goat" Yeltsin ascended the throne.
                      And about management, so I also led the departments, divisions and the plant. Let not large, you can even say small, but led. And I also know about pitfalls.

                      So the plant differs from the state in scale .... and that’s it. Not knowing the problems of the state, and yet you and I do not know them, you should not categorically blame everything and everything. Of course, officials, especially those "on the ground" are still those, but remember the enterprise. Take a master like a normal guy, and a year later it turns out that he is still that type. Or the team leader will soak it ... I live in Russia and see everything that happens in the country, but unlike the "workers", I look at what is happening through the prism of my life experience.
                      1. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 19: 38 New
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                        Take a master like a normal guy, and a year later it turns out that he is still that type. Or the team leader will soak it ...

                        And here we come to the main issue. You took the wrong guy to work - figured out, well, maybe not right away, what's the solution? To fire? Demote? Or transfer to another site without losing his job, or else increase?
                        In my opinion, the solution is obvious. So if our state is the same plant, but on a different scale, then apparently this "Director" can not cope. And Russia, so far, officially, is not a monarchy.
                      2. major147 9 March 2020 19: 47 New
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                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        then apparently this "Director" can not cope.

                        So they took a new team leader, because the old one could not cope. The director of the new foreman did not know before, they accepted by announcement. Is the director’s fault in the erroneous decision on the foreman? At the enterprise every day someone is fired and taken for various reasons. Directors to dismiss for it? And why do you think the new director will be better than the old? Maybe he will ruin working production?
                      3. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 19: 51 New
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                        The trouble is that the director knew the new foreman, because you won’t trust anyone to collect taxes. And the fact that the old foreman squinted and his tricks obeyed the logic of "understand, forgive," the fault of the director only.
                        And why do you think the new director will be better than the old?

                        And why do you think that the new foreman will not continue the jambs of the previous one?
                        Or do you have such a fear of change that let everything burn with fire, otherwise it will suddenly be worse? And the profitability of the plant is steadily falling; metal products have already been stolen from it and sold as raw materials to neighboring plants.
                      4. major147 9 March 2020 19: 56 New
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                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        And the profitability of the plant is steadily falling,

                        I completely disagree here. Profitability of the state is not only a coin.
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        metal products were already stolen from him and sold as raw materials to neighboring factories.

                        And how many sits behind it, regardless of their faces, and how many more will sit down?
                      5. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 19: 58 New
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                        And how many sits behind it, regardless of their faces, and how many more will sit down?

                        I answer the first part of the question: disproportionately little.
                        The second part of the question: everyone who will grab at the wrong rank and will not share will sit down.
                      6. major147 9 March 2020 20: 14 New
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                        Well, the government does nothing so that the situation changes for the better

                        I do not agree. As for my family: As a veteran and pensioner, I have not bad benefits for a communal apartment, etc. Son married, took an apartment under the program "Young Family". Financially, this is not a small help to the family. Waiting for replenishment in the family - "mat. Capital" for the first child. My wife has a serious illness, quite expensive drugs - for free. This is offhand and only with regards to my family. It would be possible to pick up more examples, but your quote given at the beginning of this post will probably clear my attempts.
                      7. Honest Citizen 9 March 2020 20: 25 New
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                        My wife has a serious illness, quite expensive drugs - for free.

                        My mom has oncology. They did the operation almost five years ago. Pensioner. Free medicine - only with a prescription in a pharmacy located on the other side of the city, and then wait two to three months. They do not even want to recognize her as a disabled person, asking the question: why do you need this?
                      8. major147 10 March 2020 19: 34 New
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                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        My wife has a serious illness, quite expensive drugs - for free.

                        My mom has oncology. They did the operation almost five years ago. Pensioner. Free medicine - only with a prescription in a pharmacy located on the other side of the city, and then wait two to three months. They do not even want to recognize her as a disabled person, asking the question: why do you need this?

                        My wife also has oncology. Blood disease. Pensioner. I repeat: medicines are free, delivered to your home. Disability given. This is Rostov n / a. Maybe your local authorities are weird?
                      9. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 19: 39 New
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                        Moscow region.
                        In Moscow, by the way, there is also a trend that has reached us: private social assistance companies. A neighbor called. So here. Going to the store - fee for a fee, 300 rubles, a pharmacy - 350 rubles.
                      10. major147 10 March 2020 19: 43 New
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                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Moscow region.
                        In Moscow, by the way, there is also a trend that has reached us: private social assistance companies. A neighbor called. So here. Going to the store - fee for a fee, 300 rubles, a pharmacy - 350 rubles.

                        We do not have this in Rostov. My late uncle, a WWII veteran, a retired person, lived in the area. The children went far (very) to the end of their life using the services of social services. employee. I occasionally came (somewhere 100 km), there was always order, there were no complaints.
                      11. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 19: 45 New
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                        Well, we have a minor daughter of the governor of Moscow oblast last year earned 16 mlm rubles - which is already there.
                      12. major147 10 March 2020 20: 15 New
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                        Well, we have a minor daughter of the governor of Moscow oblast last year earned 16 mlm rubles - which is already there.

                        Not surprised. I also earned money at the state farm as a child of about nine. True, my earnings amounted to 3 rubles, but then for my mom and I it was almost the same ....
                      13. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 20: 28 New
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                        I myself earned money at the age of 14 during the summer holidays. The times of the USSR, the salary for a 4-hour working day, a child without any qualifications, amounted to 14 rubles a month. 1987 year.
                        I remember that I bought my mother a cake, my girlfriend flowers.
                        But most importantly, they hired me. It’s not even a matter of whether a “bring it” employee was needed, but the fact itself - you want to work, but we will find you a job.
                        Now what? I have no decent words.
                      14. major147 10 March 2020 20: 48 New
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                        on summer holidays moonlighting

                        In 1973, after the 7th grade, my neighbor gave me a month to build a brewery in Rostov. I made a solution on the concrete mixer to the tilers. For a month he earned his money on the receiver "Ocean"

                        It’s like that. I really wanted to, but I didn’t live richly with my mom and I earned it.
                      15. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 21: 01 New
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                        Fine! Even more than.
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                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Fine! Even more than.

                        Yes at that time!
                  2. Golovan Jack 10 March 2020 20: 50 New
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                    Quote: Honest Citizen
                    I myself earned money at the age of 14 during the summer holidays. The times of the USSR, the salary for a 4-hour working day, a child without any qualifications, amounted to 14 rubles a month. 1987 year

                    Mdya ... you brought papers there, probably. Serious skill. But to dig the beds, to sprinkle the flowers, to cut the lawn, to cut the bushes - in my time it cost all 35 a month ... also the same age, about one year only, much earlier.

                    For a couple of months, I’ve made great money for myself yes

                    Quote: Honest Citizen
                    most importantly, I was hired. It’s not even a matter of whether a “bring it” employee was needed, but the fact itself - you want to work, but we will find you a job

                    This is fundamentally the wrong approach. Absolutely ineffective, no one ever does that.

                    Quote: Honest Citizen
                    I have no decent words

                    Well, the main thing that thoughts were wink
                  3. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 21: 00 New
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                    Mdya ... you brought papers there, probably.

                    Not at all, assistant electrician. At the factory. Fortunately, there were skills in working with electricians obtained at labor lessons. And yet, yes, even if I just cleaned the contacts, did the soldering and tin-plated contacts - nonetheless.
                    But to dig the beds, weed the flowers, cut the lawn, cut the shrub - in my time it was worth all 35 a month ...

                    Alas and ah, in our city, flowers were rarely planted. They did not grow. And it was difficult to get into the city greenhouse, even as an assistant.
                    This is fundamentally the wrong approach. Absolutely ineffective, no one ever does that.

                    Those. would it be more correct if I kicked the air, or even started drinking beer and other drinks?
                    Well, the main thing that thoughts were

                    The main thing is that they exist, and, unlike yours, are aimed at the development of the state, and not at the whitening of the current government.
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                    Quote: Honest Citizen
                    and it was difficult to get into the city greenhouse, even as an assistant

                    Well, I see ... but I did it wink

                    Quote: Honest Citizen
                    would it be more correct if I kicked the air, or even started drinking beer and other drinks?

                    You see ... right - this is when a person knows how to take care of himself at least a little. And in his spare time he doesn’t drink beer at a tender age, but reads books, or “drives dogs” with friends along the street. And when he needs to bring everything on a saucer - it’s not a person anymore, but an animal, excuse me, my French.

                    You, the campaign, was raised by your mother. But I grew up myself. As a result, I live, although older than you, and you whine. feel the difference wink

                    Quote: Honest Citizen
                    they are, and, unlike yours, are aimed at the development of the state, and not at the whitening of the current government

                    As for the fact that you have thoughts, I have no doubt. Where they are sent there, you know better, and you write here a fierce blizzard. IMHO.

                    My thoughts are mainly focused on my work, there are quite enough crosswords that need to be urgently solved. Despite the fact that some of them have no solution.

                    The current government will tear me down; it does not bother me; I do the same. These are such high relations laughing
                  5. Honest Citizen 10 March 2020 22: 30 New
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                    And when he needs to bring everything on a saucer - it’s not a person anymore, but an animal, excuse me, my French.

                    Nothing, I can speak better ...
                    In general, I understood your point of view ...
                    I don’t want to comment, but, the child takes the first step with the help of ... how he will go on himself - his right, skills and other ..
                    But when you try to take independent steps - they give you a cut - it’s figurative, if you understand, and they don’t want to learn to walk you, again the image, the results are different
                  6. Golovan Jack 10 March 2020 22: 32 New
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                    In general, I understood your point of view ...

                    Well, that's nice.

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                    when you try to take independent steps - they give you a cut ...

                    ..., this is a variant of the norm. Develops the vestibular apparatus (c) Maestro wink
  • Pavel Amarok 11 March 2020 16: 52 New
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    You know, dear, Lenin and the company also did not have special practical skills. They did it.
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    This is for your overall development, so that you are aware that not everything is so bad in Russia, there are worse places. My godfather, in Nizhny Novgorod, paid less for heating during the winter than I did in January, in Zaporozhye. Notice that this year the winter was warm. Last year, the gap was even greater. Especially fun for the private sector, who have gas boilers, those last year reached up to 8 grams. per month, if not laziness, count.
  • Winnie76 9 March 2020 09: 47 New
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    A generation of "effective managers" came into power
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      A generation of "effective managers" came into power

      Moreover, these managers are "fostered" Especially for Ukraine in the bowels of the Soros Foundation ...
      And in / in Ukraine, they received the nickname "pigs".
  • DMB 75 9 March 2020 10: 05 New
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    perhaps it is worth comparing their results with what is happening in this area, at least among our closest neighbors. In particular, in Ukraine,

    It’s worth comparing, no one is against. Just why with Ukraine? Why not with Iraq or Afghanistan, there are no pensions there, if only we would look beautiful against them! Better yet, let's compare with China, in exceptional cases, large payments are made to employees enterprises, for example, due to long experience or special achievements, but accruals remain on the conscience of employers. Most residents, especially in rural areas, can only rely on the help of their relatives. The Celestial authorities generally pay benefits only to former civil servants. A dream is simply for our deputies and officials!
    1. Horst78 9 March 2020 10: 24 New
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      And classmates all the time cite as an example that in China, the retirement age was again lowered with increasing pensions. A classmate has long turned into an antisocial network.
    2. Kronos 9 March 2020 11: 28 New
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      This is a myth. China is gradually introducing a pension for everyone.
  • Chervonny 9 March 2020 10: 08 New
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    Why compare with someone. We do not live somewhere. We live in Russia. Personally, I’m interested in what happens with pensions, and not somewhere else with others.
    1. Gardamir 9 March 2020 11: 01 New
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      It was just that the Union had real achievements and were proud of them. And now, from the achievements that the neighbor has worse, this is not a fact.
      Moreover, the current ideology of Russia laugh at the skakuas. But while it goes over the skakuas, the same skakuasy laugh.
    2. Kronos 9 March 2020 11: 29 New
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      In the USSR they compared with the best countries trying to catch them in Russia with the worst so that they didn’t look so bad against their background
  • Andrei Nikolaevich 9 March 2020 10: 30 New
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    With what joy, should all non-retirement citizens receive pensions? .. Do they all have a long working experience? Did they all pay income tax? That they are paid is enough. And for washing European pops, picking strawberries and providing sex services on European and Russian roads, pensions are not paid. I recall a joke about calculating a pension for girls of easy virtue ..) The key phrase is, deduct for meals,)
  • Rust 9 March 2020 10: 31 New
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    Now I am calm. It just got easier. The money left from the PFR will still not come back from the fact that the closest neighbors do not have enough.
  • New Year day 9 March 2020 10: 58 New
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    that’s it, they begin to compare us with the quality of life with Ukraine. What a year ago seemed inconceivable happened
    1. Kronos 9 March 2020 11: 30 New
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      And then they will start from Zimbabwe when the standard of living falls below Ukrainian
  • Barmal 9 March 2020 11: 26 New
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    What do I care about Ukrainian pension reforms? Enough for me under the cover of the Mondial Putin's pension reform.
  • 7,62h54 9 March 2020 11: 44 New
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    And in Russia, pensions are just going wild, right?
  • magadan72 9 March 2020 13: 36 New
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    What a misfortune in Ukraine !!! Poor Ukrainian pensioners! How hard it is for them to live! It’s only in Russia that we can and should work up to 65 and then you can live happily after retirement ... Thanks to the "native" government that we live much better than the "Ukrainians" ...
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    I propose to look a little differently - what% of the collected amounts does the PF spend on its content?
  • Tomich3 9 March 2020 15: 23 New
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    Comparison with Ukraine has long ceased to work. There are no fools left, well, with the exception of those who are already quite obstinate.
  • Undecim 9 March 2020 18: 24 New
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    From the first words of the text it’s clear - in the arena, the performer Kharaluzhny with his traditional “tragic verses” that in Ukraine is even worse. At the same time, the performer does not shun, to put it mildly, tell a lie or, in simple terms, lie.
    First of all, an extremely unpleasant surprise for all recipients of retirement pensions was the government’s refusal to index them (that is, an increase)
    The government did not refuse indexation of pensions and could not refuse, since this procedure is provided for by the law on state compulsory pension insurance. Even in Ukraine, the government does not refuse to comply with laws.
    At the same time, the amounts in bills for housing and communal services received by owners of fairly modest apartments in Ukraine amount to thousands, not hundreds of hryvnias. If pensions are still reduced, pensioners will simply be put on the brink of physical survival.
    True, the average size of utility bills in Ukraine is about 2200 hryvnia. But the author somehow forgot to mention the housing subsidy program.
    Explain to the propagandist Haraluzhny that stupid propaganda has the exact opposite effect.
  • reader65 9 March 2020 20: 55 New
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    The author forgot to mention that Ukraine retires at age 60, while in Russia, at 65.
    We would have such a reform.
  • dgonni 9 March 2020 21: 47 New
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    Well, the author is right in some ways and thickens his colors. With regards to the lack of professionalism of the newly appointed and past government. That no one has illusions. Working and playing a causal place on a piano are big differences. However, the Pension Fund as well as social insurance and unemployment in Ukraine are bottomless barrels and huge flows of money on which their people have always sat. Under Poroshenko, the maltz was pressed against them by causal places and the flows were cut slightly. The new ones want to break it and again put everything back to sleep, but for themselves under the sauce of reforms.
    The case is dreary and dark. You can instantly flap rates. Although, after Zelensky’s speech to the Guardian journalist, there seems to be nowhere else to go.
    With regards to the average pension, somewhere around 2500 hryvnias. This is someone from the collective farms and social networks was walking. Payments like hellish but pensioners have a subsidy of more than 10% of the pension do not pay.
    For miners with a mining age of 25 years, the pension starts at 7500. On average, 10-11 thousand UAH metallurgy, petrochemicals and mechanical engineering are similar.
  • Sergey_33 10 March 2020 08: 00 New
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    Pension reform: the Ukrainian version. Where is less? Indeed, according to Nenyuchenko herself, about 4% of pensioners receive a pension below the subsistence level (10 thousand hryvnias or a little more than 83 thousand rubles).
    I have 11450, is it fucking like a buoy? Russia, if anything, the experience was hot ... the apartment "three" earned in the "USSR" is now more than 9 for a communal apartment ... not ... it’s good here, it’s in the Ukraine, humming ....

    And the experience is hot and the pension is social .. Something does not fit .. A big communal apartment .. For a three-ruble note .. So sell and live in odnushka, business .. And with a lyama of difference, wisely investing an increase in pension awake.
  • Sergey_33 10 March 2020 08: 02 New
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    Quote: Undecim
    From the first words of the text it’s clear - in the arena, the performer Kharaluzhny with his traditional “tragic verses” that in Ukraine is even worse. At the same time, the performer does not shun, to put it mildly, tell a lie or, in simple terms, lie.
    First of all, an extremely unpleasant surprise for all recipients of retirement pensions was the government’s refusal to index them (that is, an increase)
    The government did not refuse indexation of pensions and could not refuse, since this procedure is provided for by the law on state compulsory pension insurance. Even in Ukraine, the government does not refuse to comply with laws.
    At the same time, the amounts in bills for housing and communal services received by owners of fairly modest apartments in Ukraine amount to thousands, not hundreds of hryvnias. If pensions are still reduced, pensioners will simply be put on the brink of physical survival.
    True, the average size of utility bills in Ukraine is about 2200 hryvnia. But the author somehow forgot to mention the housing subsidy program.
    Explain to the propagandist Haraluzhny that stupid propaganda has the exact opposite effect.

    And they probably offer a dog to sell for payment of a communal apartment.
  • Sergey_33 10 March 2020 08: 10 New
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    The author forgot to mention that Ukraine retires at age 60, while in Russia, at 65.
    We would have such a reform.

    I’m changing my mother’s pension, 40+ years of experience, leading engineer, but from 60 to social programs in the Russian Federation at 65 ..
  • Sergey_33 10 March 2020 08: 42 New
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    perhaps it is worth comparing their results with what is happening in this area, at least among our closest neighbors. In particular, in Ukraine
    And why is Ukraine taken for the standard, and not Sweden, the USA, Canada, Germany? Well, in Ukraine, pensions are slightly lower than ours - and what, now on this occasion, jumping from happiness and singing hosannas to the president, government and deputies?
    How tired of custom propaganda and writing them ...
    Quote: Aerodrome
    I have 11450, is it fucking like a buoy? Russia, if anything, the experience was hot ...

    The author of the article, half of the pensioners in Russia can publish such a cry of the soul. More than 30 years have passed since the beginning of Perestroika. In the USSR, this period was enough to fully recover after the terrible war, to become the second economy in the world. The current ones have come to the point that they are glad that there is at least someone whose business is worse than ours. A shame.

    And because the citizens of these countries are happy for retirement from a young age. And put off for old age and work legally.